Becoming 47 Part 4 | Failure at the Top

0:19 Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman. And before I get into today's episode, just quickly, I got some Patreons to thank some celebs, and some global celebrities at that. And first we want to start off with Miss Charlotte Upton all the way from Hamilton, Alabama. And I'll tell you this, I'm a huge LSU fan, obviously being from the Baton Rouge area. I'm also a Nick Saban fan, so you won't hear me say this much, but rolltide unless you're playing unless, of course. Thank you so much, miss Charlotte for supporting us as a global celebrity. And look this next lady, Miss Michelle Martin. She is from Prairieville, Louisiana, which is only about thirty minutes from where I record at.

1:16 And she's also one of my favorite people. She supports everything that I do. She's been in my studio and Miss Michelle, you are the best. Thank you so much for supporting me as a global celebrity. On Patreon and if you're interested in joining the Patreon, you get bonus episodes galore. We've dropped I think already like four and we've only had that Patreon set up for about a month a month and a half, and depending on the tear, we send little welcome packages. And so look, miss Charlotte and Miss Michelle, I need you, if you could to email me at Exposed podcast Files at gmail dot com your tea T shirt size so I can send you out a welcome package. Also, one more thing I want to address, and I actually got this message right before I went into the booth to record this episode, and that is from Miss Janeth Mootray. Miss Janeth, I'm hoping I'm pronouncing that last name right. But you said I've enjoyed the podcast, but I thought you weren't gonna say the shooter's name. I have not finished listening to episode three, and you have said his last name five times to say your favorite thing. WTF, And you're absolutely right. I did say that, and I'll tell you why. I kind of reverted back from that, and I try to just say his last name when I say it now, But I was referring to him as asshole, and he is an asshole, and I was referring to him as that

2:47 in episode one, and I think I did it a couple times in episode two. But between episode one and episode two, I had several people reach out and and they one hundred percent agreed with me to try to not say his last name, but at the same time, they felt like the curse words were a little bit too much because I was saying it so much in episode one. So look, I'm from a long family of Navy guys and we cuss a lot, and so I tried to scale back on that. The issue was there were a lot of occasions, especially in episode three, where I was referring to two different people, so I might be referring to an FBI agent and an asshole, and instead of saying asshole, I had to refer as crooks so that you would know who I was talking about specifically.

3:50 And that's kind of hard to explain out loud, but that was the reason I reverted a little bit back to saying at least his last name. I may have set us first and last name once or twice, but you're absolutely right I did say that, and I need to stick to that. And so I'm going to try to stick to what I said I was gonna do. And I do think he's an asshole, and so I'm going to refer to him as that, and I apologize if that offends you, but it is what it is, so you're actually right on that, and thank you for listening. So let's get into it. And there was some breaking news, and I always try to tell you the breaking news before I get into today's episode of Becoming forty seven, this part four, and look at the end of this episode, I'm going to give you some really important information on episode five that you're going to want to hear, so stay tuned for that at the end of this episode.

4:48 But here's the breaking news. And I wanted to make sure you were all aware of this because I apparently missed it the first time around. But the investigation has a good idea at least pertaining to what crooks had in mind with the explosives that he had in his vehicle. And I'm going to reference this article from CBS News and it reads like this Trump gunmen planned to use explosives to help escape rally site. The gunman who tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump planned to use explosives to create a diversion in a bid to escape the rally site. A leading lawmaker has revealed House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCall, a Republican from Texas, set on CBS facinination that asshole had a detonation device on his body in two bombs in his vehicle. What his plan was was to assassinate the president, created a version by blowing up his vehicle on the other side of the property, and then he could escape, said McCall, who served three terms as chairman. CBS News previously reported that an ar rifle, remote transmitter, and cell phone were found on the shooter's body, while two explosive device, a drone, a tactical vest, and four magazines of the same ammunition used in the shooting were found in Asshole's vehicle. The US Secret Service quickly came under intense scrutiny, with questions mounting about how the assassination attempt could have happened at such a high profile event.

6:18 So let's talk about that for a second. It doesn't really specify exactly how they know that, And considering the fact that that asshole is dead, I don't know how you can know his state of mind unless he left some things behind. You can certainly opine on that you can assume, and that makes all the sense in the world to me. It would not surprise me a bit if that was his plan, But it has not come out yet at least that I've seen, as to how they would kind of know his state of mind there. Did he leave something behind? We don't know yet, but I'll sure let you know. And from the AP News, there is some breaking news on former President Donald Trump and that he has agreed to be interviewed by the FBI as part of an investigation into his attempted assassination event.

7:04 The expected interview with the twenty twenty four Republican presidential nominee is part of the FBI's standard protocol to speak with victims during the course of his criminal investigations. We want to get his perspective on what he observed that from the Special Agent in charge of the Pittsburgh Field Office. It's a standard victim interview like we would do for any other victim of crime under any circumstance. Through more than four hundred and fifty interviews, the FBI has fleshed out a portrait of the gunman that reveals him as a highly intelligent, but reclusive twenty year old whose primary social circle was his family and maintained very few friends and acquaintances. And I've told you all about that. They do say his parents have been extremely cooperative in the investigation and say that they have had no advanced no knowledge of that shooting. The FBI has not uncovered a motive as to why he chose to target Trump, but investigators believed the shooting was a result of extensive planning, including the purchase under an alias in recent month of chemical precursors that investigators were believed were used to create explosive devices found in his car and home. And that's something new, at least for me, that I had not seen, was that he used an alias to buy those bomb making supplies essentially. And then the New York Post released chilling new video shows Asshole moving across the roof before the Trump assassination attempt. And look, if you haven't seen

8:36 this video, I'm gonna try to put it up on the Patreon for the Patreon members, but it is absolutely chilling. Yeah, I mean, you can see him snaking across that roof, and it's not the one where everybody saw him, and it was a perspective where they were screaming, Hey, he's got a gun. And that video has been everywhere. This one is from the perspective of someone that was actually behind Trump filming with their cell phone. There might have been a little catty corner to him, and you can actually see him crawling across the roof and getting into position. Chilling footage taken by one of the victims gravely wounded, and y'all, that's James Copenhaveer, the guy that was killed in the Trump assassination attempt, captured a figure dashing across the agr International roof outside the rally grounds just moments before the shooting erupted. The footage, taken by James Copenhavior at six o eight pm on July thirteenth, minutes before bullets started flying at six eleven, captured what appeared to be the gunman running along the rooftop outside the riley grounds in clear view of the former president. After running across the rooftop, the figure in the video appears to crouch down and begin taking position. He's getting in that prone position over the rally all the while Trump speaks, completely unaware of the danger and looming. The clip cuts out before the gunfire begins, chilling and even more chilling that it was the guy who was killed. It was

10:10 him filming that. So don't tell me. No one can see that asshole on the roof. Don't tell me that bullshit. So we'll move on. And that is the breaking news that I have. And as I said, we're going to pick up with part four of this series, becoming forty seven. And I told you just a few episodes ago that Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle. She resigned after her testimony in front of the committee investigating the attempted assassination of the former president. So obviously, when this happens, you have to name an acting director, and Ronald Rowe of the Secret Service. He was placed in the role of acting director for the Secret Service after her resignation. So who is Ronald Rowe? What is his experience? I'm going to go over his bio with you that you can find on the actual Secret Service website and it says, effect of July twenty third, twenty twenty four, Ronald Row Junior serves as the Acting Director of the Secret Service. As acting Director, he is responsible for successfully executing the agency's and integrated mission of protection and investigations by leading a diverse workforce composed of more than seventy eight hundred agents, uniform division officers, technical law enforcement officers, and administrative, professional and technical personnel. Prior to this appointment, he served as Deputy Director of the Secret Service in April of twenty

11:42 twenty three. In this role, mister Roy was responsible for the direct oversight of the agency's daily investigative and protective operations. Mister Rowe also guided the agency's policies and was responsible for introducing state of the art technology to enhance the agency's protective countermeasures. Prior to his appointment as Deputy Director, mister Rose served as the agency's Assistant Director for Office of inter Governmental and Legislative Affairs. He was responsible for leaving the Secret Service engagement with Congress, the Department of Homeland Security, and government partners. And it goes on y'all to cover a lot of things that he's done. He's very experienced in the Secret Service, and at the end, it says mister Rose started his career with the Secret Service in nineteen ninety nine. He previously served as a police officer in West Palm Beach, Florida. In that ironic.

12:42 He earned a Bachelor of Arts in Criminology and Criminal Justice in nineteen ninety four from the University of Maryland in College Park, Maryland, and graduated from Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida. In two thousand and seven. He received a Masters of Science and Administration. Additionally, he completed the Naval Postgraduate School's Executive Leaders Program in Homeland Defense and Security in twenty nineteen in Monterey, California. So that's who he is. And joining Ronald Row in this hearing was Deputy FBI Director Paul Abate, and I'll just go over his bio with you real quick. Director Christopher Wray has named Paul Abate as the Deputy Director of the FBI.

13:31 As deputy he oversees all FBI domestic and international investigative and intelligence activities. Mister Debate recently served as the Associate Deputy Director. Mister Debate joined the FBI as a special agent in nineteen ninety six and was assigned to the Criminal Division in the New York Field Office. Also interesting, he was also named a member of the SWAT Team. In two thousand and three, mister Debate was promoted to Supervisory Special Agent and transferred to the Iraqi Unit in the counter Terrorism Division at the FBI headquarters in Washington. He also deployed Iraq in two thousand and five and served as the senior FBI Liaison Officer to the Department of Defense. Then in two thousand and six, mister Debate moved to the Newark Field Office in New Jersey, where he served on the Joint Terrorism Task Force. He was deployed to Afghanistan in two thousand and eight and served as the FBI's Deputy on Seeing Commander, where he led FBI counter terrorism operations in personnel and it goes on in States. In twenty thirteen, he was promoted to a Special Agent in charge of the Detroit Office, which covers the entire state of Michigan. In twenty sixteen, he was appointed to Executive Assistant Director for the Crime, Cyber Response, and Services Branch of the FBI, and in twenty eighteen was named the Associate Deputy Director. So that's who he is.

14:57 And I've got my own opinions on both of these guys that I will talk about during this episode. We're going to get into it. And we did learn some things in this hearing, and one of the things we got more clarity on was some information on how that AR fifteen got onto the site. The question was asked by Senator Lafbonza Butler two FBI Deputy Director Abate, And here is what that exchange sounded like. How did how did mister Crooks, how was he able to get an AR fifteen onto the roof of that building? Does your investigation illuminate anything that we have learned to help to make that point more clear?

15:44 We don't have definitive evidence yet as to how he got the rifle up there. Based on everything that's been collected thus far, photos, video, eyewitness accounts, we do believe he likely had it in the. Backpack, broken down in the backpap. We're still assessing that. Our laboratory has taken it, looked at the rifle itself and measured that against the backpack itself, and if placed in this backpack it would extend outside. It would have been visible. We don't have anyone who has observed him, who observed him with the backpack with a rifle barrel or other part of it sticking out of the backpack, But the rifle would not have fit fully into this backpack to be concealed in whole. We have video that was recently found of the shooter walking in a distance from his car just before six pm, about five point fifty six, I believe, and based on everything we have, we assess that he returned to his vehicle at that time, got the backpack, and then proceeded back to the area and to the AGR building and then he's observed, of course on the roof just you know, minutes later.

17:00 The backpack in front of him. In fact, there's dash cam footage from a police vehicle that shows him briefly traversing the roof with the backpack in front of him, and then it's just minutes after that that he's actually seen by the officer who I described with the rifle on the roof. It's possible that he broke the rifle down that we don't have conclusive evidence of that, and took it out of the bag on the roof in those moments before and reassembled there. That's one of the theories we're looking at and working on right now. Thank you for that. You take me right, Acting Director row Up. Thank you for your years of dedicated service and jumping in in a hot time.

17:42 But you take me right to this point of communication. There's been a lot of conversation about and even and you were written and verbal testimony. You have talked a lot about the communication and the disparate nature in which it's happening across the different channels. One sort of foundational. Question that I have are all elements of an event communicated on the same channel. If I lost my kid and I'm at a big rally, our local law enforcement talking on the same channel about me losing my kid, that they're talking about a suspicious individual. So when it comes to the locals, they likely have some type of common channel that they work off of in a county or an adjoining municipality. When it comes to the Secret Service, we do have various channels for various agents and our uniform division officers working specific acts aspects of that advance.

18:43 So it's not possible that the delay in communication or the losing of the thread of tracking this individual was sort of lost in the commotion of all of the other communications that could have been or maybe was not effort from the communications channels that were happening. Senator, I can only speak to the Secret Service lines of communication, and we did not have anything beyond suspicious person that was communicated to us. Last question really quickly because I'm out of time, but Acting Director, is was there any communication.

19:24 With the Secret. Service that was talking directly with the President's the former President's detail. That feels like there's been some question by colleagues about why the call wasn't made to delay the event. Help us understand the communication that either was or was not happening directly with the president former President's detail to make the call to delay ten minutes when we've all been to these events, they never happen on time, but to delay while this was being investigated. So the detail, well, they know they were were operating on their net, which our security room was monitoring, but again having information of a suspicious individual. There were other calls that day of individuals that came to the attention of law enforcement, of people that needed medical attention. So it really that particular regarding the assailant that never really rose to a level of we should we should not put them out there. Had we known that there was a dangerous individual out there, we would never let a protectee go out on stage.

20:38 Now, in the last part of that clip you heard, have we known a very dangerous individual was around, we would have never let the president go on to the stage. And y'all, I got to be honest. That means my blood boil. He is essentially saying that the local police it was there fault. And this is a Secret Service acting director, mind you, it's their fault. They were communicating with each other, but they were not communicating with us, and we didn't know anything about it. I mean, this kid was on a roof and we've already seen the footage from Sadly a dead man who was shot by this asshole, and you can see the perspective, right. It doesn't make sense to me. I mean, in that video, his whole head is sticking out. Something ain't stirring the kool aid. But for the acting director to actually say the words had we known, that's an issue. So as the hearing moves on, Acting Director Roe talked about the Secret Service snipers actual their actual view from their perspective, even though we know what their actual view was now.

21:56 But I'm gonna play the clip for you now in this club, because we're on audio, it's going to be probably a little difficult for you to really understand the perspective because he's describing it, he's showing pictures of it from the view of the Secret Service snipers to the roof where Crooks was at, and we don't have the advantage of showing you those pictures through audio. However, it's what he says after that was most concerning to me. So here's that club. And if I may, Senator, if I could point out something right now, if I may, and we will place this for the record. But this is the point of view. This is from the second floor of the Ager building.

22:46 This point of view is the point of view where the counter sniper team locally was posted. The gold arrow indicates where the shooter fired from looking left. Why was the assailant not seen when we were told that building was going to be covered, that there had been a face to face that afternoon that our team leads met. This was the view. Let me show you another view, Senator. This view is a reenactment by one of my agents.

23:29 Laying flat, there was a five inch rise on the middle of that roof. The assailant would have had to present his bore over that to get his shot off. The view underneath reflects the perspective that he would have had. Again, i'd call your attention back to the first exhibit. If they'd look left. This is what our counter schneiper team saw. Shooter no elbows. You barely make out the crown of his head below it. The assailant up prone And let me just tell you our counter sniper, this individual, I know him, I consider him a friend. He has covered me operationally in conflict zones and when I did my time on the President's detail, he exemplifies the courage, the skill in the ability to respond under great stress in such short time to neutralize a threat and prevent further loss of light. Getting back to your question, Senator, these were discussions that we had between the Pittsburgh Field Office, the local counterparts, and everyone supporting that visit that day.

24:42 And that's why when I laid in that position, I could not and I will not and I cannot understand why there was not better coverage or at least somebody looking at that roofline when that's where they were posted. He straight up what According to the local police, there were no discussions, and I believe them. The local police are not going to lie on the Secret Service. They're just not going to do it. And according to them, there were no discussions prior to the event. So Senator klobishar in which she look she's a pretty starch democrat, and I'll credit her. She dispels those dumb ass the shooting never happened rumors, and in this exchange she actually gets the acting Secret Service Director to admit to something you'll find very interesting. Listen to this club for.

25:44 The people in my state that keep asking me, I just don't get how he got on the roof. I know we've gone through great details and a lot of examination. Could you just give a minute on what went wrong and how you think it can be fixed? Because I think it's just going to help to expel the conspiracy theories. There are some people that think it didn't really happen, which of course is completely ridiculous. It did. There are some people that think all kinds of conspiracies went on within the government, which is also false. But could you just tell them what went wrong so they understand? Yes, thank you, Senator. I thought long and hard about this. I think this was a failure of imagination, a failure to imagine that we actually do live in a very dangerous world where people do actually want to do harm to our protectees. I think it was a failure to challenge our own assumptions, the assumptions that we know our partners are going to do everything they can, and they do this every day, but we didn't challenge our own assumptions of we assume that someone's going to cover that, we assume that there's going to be uniform presents, challenge that internally during that advance. So moving forward, I've directed that when we're talking to people and we're making requests, we are very specific about what we want. We are

27:15 providing explicit instructions on exactly what our expectation is and what we need them to do and what we want them to do. That's the only way that we're going to be able to move forward beyond this. And let me just tell you that our state and local law enforcement partners are the best. So this. This belief that somehow they are less than federal law enforcement, or they're less than the Secret Service. They're out there patrolling communities every day. They're the ones out there going into hazardous conditions every day. They know their communities, They have the ability to enforce state and local laws. Our advance agents do not.

27:56 We need them and we need them to be partners with us, and I think we need to be very clear to them, and that may have contributed to this situation. One of the things you mentioned to me was and to all of us was in this other briefing was just the texting protocol. And I think a lot of us think about this in non security settings, about how people are just texting all the time instead of talking, and how it takes our eyes off. In your case, the target, could you talk about what might have gone wrong there and how you think things could change when there's the hope is that their eyes are constantly on the scene and on the potential targets and risks.

28:42 Thank you, senator. So again, we need people focused on the problem or on their area of responsibility. It was great that there was a text chain, but that communication needs to go over the net. It needs to go over a radio channel so that everyone has situational awareness of it. And what I was the point I was making in the in the closed door briefing, is that we have to get to a point now where we are using our radio systems to have that collective awareness of this. The I think you. Know one of the things that I've directed is that in addition to the interoperability, where we're going to roll out common operating picture or common operating platform that we utilize for national special security events, we have the ability to roll that out to the field that has a Blue Force tracker in it, that's able to where you can put where all your state and local assets are, where our federal assets are. But in addition to that, I want people using the radio. So it's great that the tactical elements are talking to each other, it's great that the shift is talking to each other, but we have to be able to make sure that whenever we come across a situation that everyone has situational awareness of this.

30:02 And I will take this. You know, I in my time when I was operational in the President's detail, you know, we you know, we were given the explicit instruction, Hey, if it's if you're going to pass it, if it's relevant enough that you feel like you need to pass that information, do. It over the radio. And that was the protocol that we had. And I think over the years, perhaps with the advent of technology and smartphones, perhaps. We've gotten away from that. But we need to get people back on the scope back on mission back focused on what they need to be responsible for now. Early in that clip he mentioned and actually he said exactly this. We made assumptions. We assumed someone was going to cover that, meaning the roof, and they have it.

30:48 If you assumed it, that means you never verbally told someone to cover the roof, as you said you did in the clip I just played a few minutes ago where he stated he had discussions reguarding that roof with the local police and the state police. Both things can't be true. Either you assumed it and you didn't tell somebody, or you told somebody and he just told you both things. That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth, and that dude is lying. Proof positive he's lying. In my opinion, you form your Now it's about to get really heated in this next exchange. So Senator Hawley, he wanted to know why a Secret Service sniper was not on that roof like all of us. Look, it's the most glaring thing in this whole case. In likely the most heated exchange of the day, the acting director attempts to answer that question and more so, we'll play the clip and we're going to unpack this after you listen.

32:08 Senator Holy hey, mister chairman, Director ro can you put your first poster, your first admonstrative backup? Please put a up please, Let's make. Sure everybody can see it. This is the photograph I believe that you took your team took of the roof, the AGR roof. Yeah, that's the one. Okay, So from this. Vantage points as the law enforcement who are in those windows as they look left, they should be able to see the shooter clearly there on the AGR second floor roof. My question is why is there not a Secret Service counter sniper on that roof? So, Senator, we're when we post up is our methodology is to look out, look at things that can see in on our protectees so that they can provide that coverage.

32:54 But why is there not a Secret Service counter sniper there with clear line of sight? That roof a clear line of sight to the former president, why didn't you put a Secret Service counter sniper there? The Secret Services counter sniper role is to neutralize those threats that are looking in on us from where the protectee is not necessarily. Maybe you might want to revise that protocol in light of what happened here. They were protecting the principle, and I think in principle got shot. I understand that, sir, So. Do you think you might want to revise the protocol? Let me ask you this, who is the lead site agent who made the decision to leave the AGR building completely outside of the security perimeter.

33:37 Who was that? Senator? I cannot give you that name. This person is operational. They're still doing investigations, they're still doing protective visits. They being relieved of duty. Senator, they have not known their name of duty. Why have they not been relieved of duty? They are still cooperating, not only being interviewed by the FBI, but also by our Office of Professional Responsibility, and we will let the facts of the mission assurance and any further investigations playout. Isn't the fact that a former president was shot, that a good American is dead, that other Americans were critically wounded. Isn't that enough mission failure for you to say that the person who decided that that building should not be in the security premer probably ought to be stepped down?

34:20 Senator, I think you're using the word decided, and I think we need to allow the investigation play out to include. Okay, so who did make the decision? Then if it wasn't the lead site agent who made the decision not to put that in security prem. Senator, you're zeroing in on one particular agent. I want to find out exactly, Yeah, what was the entire decision process? So I think, yeah, I want to be neutral and make sure that we get to the bottom of it and interview everybody in order to determine if there was more than one person who perhaps exercise bad judgment. Well, sure, My question is why don't you relieve everybody of duty who made bad judgment? So, yeah, you're right, I am zeroing in on somebody. I'm trying to find somebody who's accountable here, and you're telling me that the person who made the decision not to include this in the perimeter has not been.

35:04 Relieved of duty. What about the person who is in charge of the interoperability of radio frequencies between local law enforcement and Secret Service. Has that person been relieved to duty? No, center, Because interoperability is a challenge, is a greater challenge than just one person. On that day, we had a counterpart system. It failed. Has the person who decided who made the decision to send Donald Trump onto stage knowing that you had a security situation. Has that person been relieved of duty? No, sir, they haven't. Has the person who decided not to pull the former president off of stage when you knew that, in your words, the locals were working a serious security situation, has that person been relieved of duty? No, sir.

35:44 Again, I refer you back to my original answer that we are investigating this through a mission assurance and as opposed to zeroing in on one. What more do you need to investigate to know exactly what this decision? You need to investigate to know that there were critical enough failures that some into visuals ought to be held accountable. I mean, what more do you need to know? What I need to know is exactly what happened, and I need my investigators to do their job, and I can people didn't either. Cannot put my thumb on the scale. Otherwise, what do you mean put your thumb the objective theject You're asking me, Senator, to completely make a rush to judgment about somebody failing. I acknowledge this was a failure. Of Is it not primo facia that somebody has failed a former president was shot, Sir, this.

36:28 Could have been our Texas school book depository. I have lost sleep over that for the last seventeen days, just like somebody. So I will tell you, Senator. I will tell you, Senator, that I will not rush to judgment, that people will be held accountable, and I will do so with integrity and not rush to judgment and put pepakim. I unfairly persecuted. Fairly, Sir. We have to be able to have a proper investigation into this. Senator, you said earlier that you've got to make sure that your prote calls are followed and unless there's a protocol violation, people wouldn't be disciplined. I would just say to you, I don't really care that much about your protocols. I think if your protocols don't provide for the fact that when a former president is shot, when an American is killed, when other rally goers, innocent people who just showed up on the day, when they are shot at and critically wounded, if that isn't a protocol violation prima facia, you should revise your protocols.

37:24 Senator. I think this is where you and I agree. This was a failure and we will get to the bottom of it. Well, I hope you're going to do something about it. Let me ask you something else. The Real Clear Politics reports this morning that you were directly involved in denying additional security resources and personnel, including counter snipers, not just to this event, but over the last two years that President's Trump's President Trump's team repeatedly asked for these additional resources, and you personally were involved in denying them. Is that true, Senator? As I stated earlier, that is not true. So you never denied any resources to former President Trump's team. No, not me, You weren't, and you weren't involved in any of that. You were never involved in the decision making, No, sir, I was not. Let me ask you this one or two other things here quickly. Well, whistleblowers tell me that in fact, law enforcement were stationed to be on that roof and that law enforcement abandoned their post because it was two hots.

38:18 That accurate, Senator, I have heard that as well. Again, they posted up inside, and I think, moving forward, as I said earlier, We're going to ensure that stay in local counter snipers are on roofs. But do you know if someone was supposed to be on the roof. Do you know if someone was in fact, that's what the whistleblower tells me, that may or may not be accurate. Do you know that to be the fact? Was somebody posted to the roof local law enforcement or whomever. I do not know that to be a fact. Well, can I ask you why you don't know that? Again? Senator, we are looking at this and they should have been on that roof, and the fact that they were in the building is something that I'm still trying to understand.

38:59 I just want to express my frustration. Director, that's seventeen days or whatever it's been, that whistleblowers are telling us more than you are and you don't know. You haven't ascertained if there was supposed to be law enforcement on the roof. That seems like a pretty basic fact. I'm also told that local law enforcement suppliers offered the Secret Service drones and you declined them. Is that true? So, Senator one, I've been very transparent and forthcoming. Their agency has not been transparent and forthcoming, So please let's. Not go there. I have been forthcoming, sir. That remains to be seen. You've been on the job a few days so far you fired nobody. Now the drones. Thank you, you offered drones.

39:40 Senator, there wasn't offered a fly. A drone on that day, and why did you deny it? Again? I think the ability of local law enforcement provide an asset, we probably should have taken them up on it if we if it was offered. Now, Josh Hawley nailed it. I would say, it's pretty obvious that someone screwed up royally here. Yet no one, no one has been placed on leave. Hell, they're still working. Everybody on that secret service detail is still working. They're not even at home with pay while they investigate, which even local police do that. When someone in your local police department gets in trouble or they get a complaint filed against them, they go home. Typically it's with pay while they are being investigated. These guys are still working details.

40:39 That's insanity. He says, We're gonna make sure that this investigation is proper, and I get all that, and you should, you definitely should, but these guys should not be working a detail right now while an investigation is going on. There's a competence issue you with these guys. Some of them, we'll move on, but we won't get any less heated because next up was Ted Cruz, and things stayed heated when Ted Cruz got his shot at questioning the acting Secret Service Director. And he also addressed the rumor directly that we've all heard regarding whether or not Trump did not have the proper amount of agents at the rally.

41:29 There's a lot of rumors swirlling around that they pulled some agents away because the first lady was going to a party or something and she wanted or she needed more security for that, and so they pulled it from the Trump rally. He addressed it the Secret Service director in Ted Cruz in this exchange, and here's that. Thank you, missus. Chairman, mister Roe, thank you for being here. I agree with what you said at the outset that the individual Secret Service agents demonstrated remarkable personal courage putting the bodies in between the line of sight of the shooter and the president. That being said, the bravery of the line agents is quite different from the decisions of Secret Service leadership.

42:12 Secret Service leadership committed catastrophic security failures, indeed, the worst security failures for the Secret Service since nineteen eighty one, since the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan. It is incumbent upon this committee to determine why those security failures happened. Just after the shooting, Secret Service put out an official statement from your spokesperson that says, there's an untrue assertion that a member of the former president's team requested additional security resources, that those were rebuffed. This is absolutely false. In fact, we added protective resources and technology and capabilities as part of the increased campaign travel tempo.

42:58 Was this tweet accurate with respect to Butler, Pennsylvania? It is accurate, sir. It is accurate that the Trump team had not asked for additional security and had not been rebuffed. If you're talking about Butler, Pennsylvania, all assets requested were approved. If you're talking about the media reporting of assets requested, there were times when assets were unavailable and not able to be filled, and those gaps were staffed with state and local law enforcement tactical assets. So I'm reading from the Washington Post July twentieth, twenty twenty four, Secret Service said to a denied request for more security at Trump events. The opening paragraph top officials of the US Secret Service repeatedly denied requests for additional resources and personnel sought by Donald Trump's security detail in the two years leading up to his attempted assassination, according to four people familiar with the requests, is that right that repeatedly the Trump detail asked for more resources and repeatedly Secret Service leadership turned that down.

44:04 That is not accurate. Senator assets are requested. There's a process that has made. How many requests did did the Trump team or the Trump Detail ask for? I can get you that number in a que. You don't know now, so I can speak to the ones that reported in the Washington Post and we can go through them if you like. But you don't know how many requests there were. In general? How many requests since twenty twenty one that the former Trump detail has made a request for asking. You've had two weeks. You had a spokesperson put something out that is false on its face. By the way, did you approve this statement when it went out? I don't know if I did or didn't say. Has this spokesperson is he still employed? Does he still have still employed? So he lied on behalf of the Secret Service? He still has a job? Did your predecessor, the former director, does she approve this statement.

44:52 Senator, our comms team they send out statements, they do deconflict them, and they put them out. Did she approve this statement? I don't know if she did or did not. And you don't know if you did either. I don't recall approving it, Senator. Will you commit to provide this committee in writing every written request for additional resources from the Trump campaign or the Trump Detail and every response from Secret Service? Senator, I will commit to providing responses and getting you the information that you are seeking. May ask you something and who makes the decision to deny those requests?

45:35 Did you make that decision? Which requests are you talking about the ones that read any end of the post? Yes? The processor is that a detail will make a request for either staffing technical assets. That is handled between the field office and the detail. It goes up to a logistics office between Okay, so there's a bureaucracy. Is there a decision make? It's not a bureaucracy, Senator, that's a person that's a decision maker. Is there one? Senator? It's a conversation. It's not just an absolute yet. So let me tell you what I believe. I believe that the Secret Service leadership made a political decision to deny these requests, and I think the Biden administration has been suffused with partisan politics. Did the same person who denied the request for additional security to President Trump also repeatedly deny the request for security to Robert F.

46:27 Kennedy Junior, whose father was murdered by an assassin and whose uncle was murdered by an assassin? Did the same person make that decision? Senator? What I will tell you is that Secret Service agents are not political. Okay, you're not answering. You know what leader by the president or leadership appointed by the president is political. I have a simple question, yes or no? Did the same person deny the Trump requests that also denied the RFK request. That's a yes or no question, Senator. That is not a yes or no question. One. There is a process for a candidate nominee to receive protection? Is there a by Cameron? Does a bike stop body artisan process? That they by cameral bipartisan process? What can a candidate not in Congress? Don't you have a camer.

47:15 Mister Kennedy submitted a request that was referred over to the Sea Pack. Okay, you're refusing to answer the question. Let me ask because because the failures on that day were catastrophic. By the way, is it true that on the day of the of the Butler event, that Secret Service transferred agent from President Trump to the First Lady H. No, sir, that's not true. That's been widely reported. It's not true. There was one airport agent that actually went on the MANPIW request for. The Trump detail. They handled the arrival at the airport. What is the relative what was the relative size of the Trump detail compared to the detail that is assigned to the president of the First Lady uh? Senator? The former president travels with a full shift just like the president.

47:56 What's the so the exact same size? Is that your testimony that the President Trump had the same size detail that President Biden. Has on the day of in Butler, the agent surrounding him. It is the same number of agents surrounding the president today. There is a difference between a sitting president who also not only. And you're using president in a way that is not clear. Is it your testimony that in Butler, Pennsylvania, Donald Trump had the same number of agents protecting him that Joe Biden has at a comparable event. I'm telling you the shift, the close protection shift surrounded. Yes, you ask me, Senator, and I'm trying to answer it. You are not answering it. Is it the same number of agents or not?

48:36 Senator? There is a difference between the sitting president of the United States and what's the difference? The difference two x three x five? National demand authority to launch a nuclear strike? The assets? How many more will with the president. That's the former president you're refusing, but the number of secret services atop interrupting him to stop interrupting me, go ahead, refusing to answer clear and direct questions. I am asking the relative difference in the number of agents between those assigned to Donald Trump and those assigned to Joe Biden. I'm not asking why you assign more to Joe Biden. I'm asking is the difference? Is it two X? Is it three X? Is it five X? Is it ten X?

49:18 Senator? I will get you that number so you can see it with your own eyes. I told you all that was heated, and let's cover some of the things that were said. Did you approve the statement before it went out? Uh? I don't know if I did or if I did not bullshit bull shit. That's the second time I can almost definitively tell you. And of course I wasn't there. I have no direct knowledge. I have to say that for legal reasons. But my bullshit mean is on ten right now, And that's a second time during this podcast. I don't believe this guy and crews nailed it. All of these decisions are driven to serve a political end. Leadership appointed by the president is political just by its very nature, y'all. If a president appoints you, that means the president is your boss.

50:20 He can hire you and he can fire you, right, So if it is human nature to not want to piss your boss off, typically so of course there's a political end there, especially if you like your boss and you feel like someone else is going to take his job. But for this guy to say there's nothing political about the Secret Service, eh not at the local level. I mean, look, there are ninety nine out of one hundred Secret Service agents that are great. But there's good and bad in every profession. And when you go way up that ladder to the leadership of the Secret Service, those people are political, make no mistake about it. So I call bullshit again and I think this guy's got an attitude a little bit more. He needs to be a little more humble my opinion, I think he's arrogant to stand in front of Congress and bark back at them like that after a former president was shot. Dudes, you need to eat some humble pie and take your medicine. I mean, this guy is not the solution for the Secret Service in my view. He couldn't even give Cruz the number of agents in that last exchange that were assigned to the president, and how many they assigned to the former president, especially not at this event. Couldn't even give him a number.

51:36 Not because he didn't want to, I submit to you. It's because he did not know the number and he didn't want to put a number out there and look like a dumbass. But instead of just saying that, instead of just saying I don't have the number, I'll get it for you, he wants to get argumentative with with Cruz. Now. The last clip that I'm going to play you is from Louise he and Senator John Kennedy. I've met John Kennedy personally, and he is a heck of a guy and just as funny in person. As he is on TV. And look just real quickly on John Kenny. A lot of people don't realize us. John Kennedy is probably the smartest guy in Congress. Do y'all know? He is a Rhodes scholar. He has a a degree from Vanderbilt, then he got his law degree. He's a Rhodes scholar. But he talks funny. You know. He's just a good old sounds like a good old boy from South Louisiana, and he is. He's from Zachary, which is about twenty minutes from where I record. Thirty minutes big brain on John Kennedy.

52:48 And he has a unique way in which he questions people. If you're familiar with him, you know that already. But in his exchange with both the FBI director and the Secret Service Acting director, Kennedy, who seemingly never gets heated, he keeps us cool like he always does, and he maintains that unique questioning as only he can do it. And here's that exchange. Mister Abate, Am I saying your name right? Yes? Senator? Thank you? You are the deputy director of the FBI. Is that correct? Yes? Center, Is there. Any doubt in your mind or in the collective mind of the FBI that President Trump was shot in the ear by a bullet fired by the asassin crooks.

53:45 There is, Senator, there is absolutely no doubt in the FBI's mind whether former President Trump was hit with the with a bullet and wounded in the air. No doubt. There never has been. I've been part of this investigation since the very beginning, and that has never been raised. You're sure, Yes, it wasn't a space lacer. No, it wasn't a murder hornet, absolutely not. It wasn't sasquatch, no center. It was a bullet. It was a bullet, Senator, fired by crooks. Yes, sir, that hit President Trump in the year and almost killed him. Okay, mister rowe help me understand this. The assassin crooks fired his first shot. As I understand that, it's six twelve pm. He was about one hundred and forty one hundred and fifty yards away.

54:51 It's been reported that the snipers, the government snipers, saw him on the roof twenty minutes before, not two minutes. Twenty minutes before. Is that correct, Senator? That is that's the first time I'm hearing this. That is not correct based on the information I have right now, sir. Well, when did the FBI snipers see him on the roof? Just secret Service snipers, sir, I mean, I'm sorry that you're right. No, I'm just kidding. I understand. I apologize.

55:31 When did the Secret Service snipers, one of whom ultimately shot the assassin crooks, first see him on that roof? So, sir, immediately upon the shots being fired? Are snipers, I know that, But when did they first see him? You got a guy lying on a roof. You got snipers in an elevated position they can look down on the roof. You get the guy lying there with a gun pointed at the former president of the United States. And I'm just and they shot him. Good for them. He's now dead, is Woodrow Wilson. And that's a good thing. I'm sorry, God forgive me, but it's a good thing.

56:17 But when did the snipers first see him? As soon as he presented himself as a target and a threat to the president, sir? And when was that he fires? Initially a volley. I believe it was three shots. He fired at six twelve pm, Yes, sir, okay, this first shot, so within fifteen point five seconds of the first shot. Here's what people are asking. Yes, sir, he was up Krooks was up there. The snipers at some point saw him, Yes, sir, our snipers because they killed him. Yes, sir, When did they first see him? It has been reported repeatedly that the snipers first saw him twenty minutes before.

57:05 That's more than a quarter in an NFL football game. Yes, sir, do you You don't know the answer. So I do know the answer, sir. I'm telling you that. What is the answer? No, they did not see him. They only never saw him. No, sir, Well they how could they not see the guy? How could they not see They're in an elevating position, they're checking rooftops, they're looking around. There's two government snipers. How could they not see him there? He was big as Dallas, lying there with a gun pointed at the present. How could they not see him? I believe he was obscured by that roof, sir. He would have he did not pop up. The roof is flat with ridges. He's below the line where they would have seen him.

57:50 Sir. There is a he did have concealments. I'm not going to say it's cover. He did have concealment uh and then ultimately gets into firing position and fires and within fifteen point five seconds of his first shot, he's neutralized. I've gone well, yep, you gentlemen need to answer these questions. And their peeps, I submit to you, is the key to this whole fucking deal. How could they not see him, especially since the video that I referenced in this podcast came out where he is clearly seen from someone that was behind Trump well sadly, and it pains me to say this, I think there's a good chance they did see him. It's just not looking good for big government.

58:53 And there'll be more to come on that with episode five, which I'm gonna drop soon. And I want to let you know about Episode five and who we're going to be talking about in that episode, and that is probably the most beloved sheriff in the entire country. He comes from the center of the state of Florida, Polk County, and his name is Grady Judd. What I like about breaking down what he thinks about this entire incident is number one. Grady Judd has done one of these events, these rallies that Trump was involved in with the Secret Service before and he knows exactly how that process is supposed to work, and I underline supposed to work. He also gives his opinion on what went wrong and many other things that's coming to you in episode five. And there's a good chance that after episode five drops, the subsequent drops of the Becoming forty seven series will become a Patreon only park. And the reason that I'm looking into doing that is the expense and the research involved

1:00:28 in this particular series takes an exorbitant amount of time. Clipping all this stuff out, y'all, takes hours, and those people pay for that, and so those subsequent episodes are likely going to be accessible on Patreon only. It's a business, y'all, and so many people enjoy it, we don't want to take it away completely, so it will likely become an aspect of our bonuses that we drop on Patroon along with them things. Thank you again for listening. I love and appreciate every single one of you, and for exposed scandalous files of the elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman.

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