Aug. 9, 2024

Becoming 47 Part 4 | Failure at the Top

Becoming 47 Part 4 | Failure at the Top

In this 4th installment of the hit series “Becoming 47” host Jim Chapman dives into the testimony of Acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe and FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate in front of the congressional committee investigation the attempted...

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In this 4th installment of the hit series “Becoming 47” host Jim Chapman dives into the testimony of Acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe and FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate in front of the congressional committee investigation the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump. Accountability and whistleblower accounts call into question several responses provided by the Acting Secret Service Director specifically and the heated exchanges will leave your jaw dropped.

Timestamps
08:25 Chilling Video Before Assassination Attempt
10:28 Secret Service Director Resignation and Replacement
11:07 Meet Ronald Rowe, Acting Secret Service Director
13:12 Introduction of Deputy FBI Director Paul Abbate
18:29 Communication Channels during the Event
21:44 Secret Service Sniper Perspective
25:26 Analysis of Security Failures
28:27 Improving Communication Protocols
32:02 Heated Exchange with Senator Hawley
37:33 Questioning Security Resource Denials
41:10 Ted Cruz Questions Secret Service Director
50:59 Critique of Secret Service Director's Attitude
52:02 John Kennedy's Distinct Questioning Style
53:10 John Kennedy's Exchange on Trump Shooting
58:05 Demanding Answers on Sniper Oversight

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman. And before

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I get into today's episode, just quickly, I got some

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Patreons to thank some celebs, and some global celebrities at that.

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And first we want to start off with Miss Charlotte

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Upton all the way from Hamilton, Alabama. And I'll tell

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you this, I'm a huge LSU fan, obviously being from

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the Baton Rouge area. I'm also a Nick Saban fan,

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so you won't hear me say this much, but rolltide

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unless you're playing unless, of course. Thank you so much,

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miss Charlotte for supporting us as a global celebrity. And

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look this next lady, Miss Michelle Martin. She is from Prairieville, Louisiana,

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which is only about thirty minutes from where I record at.

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And she's also one of my favorite people. She supports

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everything that I do. She's been in my studio and

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Miss Michelle, you are the best. Thank you so much

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for supporting me as a global celebrity. On Patreon and

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month a month and a half, and depending on the tear,

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we send little welcome packages. And so look, miss Charlotte

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and Miss Michelle, I need you, if you could to

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email me at Exposed podcast Files at gmail dot com

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your tea T shirt size so I can send you

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out a welcome package. Also, one more thing I want

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to address, and I actually got this message right before

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I went into the booth to record this episode, and

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that is from Miss Janeth Mootray. Miss Janeth, I'm hoping

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I'm pronouncing that last name right. But you said I've

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enjoyed the podcast, but I thought you weren't gonna say

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the shooter's name. I have not finished listening to episode three,

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and you have said his last name five times to

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say your favorite thing. WTF, And you're absolutely right. I

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did say that, and I'll tell you why. I kind

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of reverted back from that, and I try to just

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say his last name when I say it now, But

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I was referring to him as asshole, and he is

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an asshole, and I was referring to him as that

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in episode one, and I think I did it a

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couple times in episode two. But between episode one and

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episode two, I had several people reach out and and

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they one hundred percent agreed with me to try to

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not say his last name, but at the same time,

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they felt like the curse words were a little bit

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too much because I was saying it so much in

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episode one. So look, I'm from a long family of

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Navy guys and we cuss a lot, and so I

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tried to scale back on that. The issue was there

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were a lot of occasions, especially in episode three, where

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I was referring to two different people, so I might

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be referring to an FBI agent and an asshole, and

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instead of saying asshole, I had to refer as crooks

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so that you would know who I was talking about specifically.

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And that's kind of hard to explain out loud, but

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that was the reason I reverted a little bit back

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to saying at least his last name. I may have

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set us first and last name once or twice, but

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you're absolutely right I did say that, and I need

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to stick to that. And so I'm going to try

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to stick to what I said I was gonna do.

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And I do think he's an asshole, and so I'm

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going to refer to him as that, and I apologize

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if that offends you, but it is what it is,

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so you're actually right on that, and thank you for listening.

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So let's get into it. And there was some breaking news,

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and I always try to tell you the breaking news

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before I get into today's episode of Becoming forty seven,

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this part four, and look at the end of this episode,

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I'm going to give you some really important information on

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episode five that you're going to want to hear, so

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stay tuned for that at the end of this episode.

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But here's the breaking news. And I wanted to make

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sure you were all aware of this because I apparently

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missed it the first time around. But the investigation has

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a good idea at least pertaining to what crooks had

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in mind with the explosives that he had in his vehicle.

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And I'm going to reference this article from CBS News

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and it reads like this Trump gunmen planned to use

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explosives to help escape rally site. The gunman who tried

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to assassinate former President Donald Trump planned to use explosives

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to create a diversion in a bid to escape the

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rally site. A leading lawmaker has revealed House Foreign Affairs

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Committee Chairman Michael McCall, a Republican from Texas, set on

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CBS facinination that asshole had a detonation device on his

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body in two bombs in his vehicle. What his plan

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was was to assassinate the president, created a version by

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blowing up his vehicle on the other side of the property,

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and then he could escape, said McCall, who served three

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terms as chairman. CBS News previously reported that an ar rifle,

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remote transmitter, and cell phone were found on the shooter's body,

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while two explosive device, a drone, a tactical vest, and

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four magazines of the same ammunition used in the shooting

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were found in Asshole's vehicle. The US Secret Service quickly

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came under intense scrutiny, with questions mounting about how the

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assassination attempt could have happened at such a high profile event.

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So let's talk about that for a second. It doesn't

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really specify exactly how they know that, And considering the

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fact that that asshole is dead, I don't know how

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you can know his state of mind unless he left

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some things behind. You can certainly opine on that you

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can assume, and that makes all the sense in the

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world to me. It would not surprise me a bit

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if that was his plan, But it has not come

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out yet at least that I've seen, as to how

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they would kind of know his state of mind there.

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Did he leave something behind? We don't know yet, but

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I'll sure let you know. And from the AP News,

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there is some breaking news on former President Donald Trump

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and that he has agreed to be interviewed by the

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FBI as part of an investigation into his attempted assassination event.

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The expected interview with the twenty twenty four Republican presidential

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nominee is part of the FBI's standard protocol to speak

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with victims during the course of his criminal investigations. We

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want to get his perspective on what he observed that

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from the Special Agent in charge of the Pittsburgh Field Office.

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It's a standard victim interview like we would do for

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any other victim of crime under any circumstance. Through more

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than four hundred and fifty interviews, the FBI has fleshed

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out a portrait of the gunman that reveals him as

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a highly intelligent, but reclusive twenty year old whose primary

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social circle was his family and maintained very few friends

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and acquaintances. And I've told you all about that. They

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do say his parents have been extremely cooperative in the

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investigation and say that they have had no advanced no

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knowledge of that shooting. The FBI has not uncovered a

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motive as to why he chose to target Trump, but

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investigators believed the shooting was a result of extensive planning,

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including the purchase under an alias in recent month of

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chemical precursors that investigators were believed were used to create

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explosive devices found in his car and home. And that's

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something new, at least for me, that I had not seen,

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was that he used an alias to buy those bomb

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making supplies essentially. And then the New York Post released

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chilling new video shows Asshole moving across the roof before

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the Trump assassination attempt. And look, if you haven't seen

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this video, I'm gonna try to put it up on

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the Patreon for the Patreon members, but it is absolutely chilling. Yeah,

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I mean, you can see him snaking across that roof,

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and it's not the one where everybody saw him, and

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it was a perspective where they were screaming, Hey, he's

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got a gun. And that video has been everywhere. This

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one is from the perspective of someone that was actually

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behind Trump filming with their cell phone. There might have

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been a little catty corner to him, and you can

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actually see him crawling across the roof and getting into position.

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Chilling footage taken by one of the victims gravely wounded,

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and y'all, that's James Copenhaveer, the guy that was killed

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in the Trump assassination attempt, captured a figure dashing across

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the agr International roof outside the rally grounds just moments

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before the shooting erupted. The footage, taken by James Copenhavior

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at six o eight pm on July thirteenth, minutes before

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bullets started flying at six eleven, captured what appeared to

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be the gunman running along the rooftop outside the riley

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grounds in clear view of the former president. After running

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across the rooftop, the figure in the video appears to

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crouch down and begin taking position. He's getting in that

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prone position over the rally all the while Trump speaks,

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completely unaware of the danger and looming. The clip cuts

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out before the gunfire begins, chilling and even more chilling

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that it was the guy who was killed. It was

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him filming that. So don't tell me. No one can

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see that asshole on the roof. Don't tell me that bullshit.

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So we'll move on. And that is the breaking news

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that I have. And as I said, we're going to

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pick up with part four of this series, becoming forty seven.

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And I told you just a few episodes ago that

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Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle. She resigned after her testimony

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in front of the committee investigating the attempted assassination of

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the former president. So obviously, when this happens, you have

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to name an acting director, and Ronald Rowe of the

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Secret Service. He was placed in the role of acting

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director for the Secret Service after her resignation. So who

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is Ronald Rowe? What is his experience? I'm going to

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go over his bio with you that you can find

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on the actual Secret Service website and it says, effect

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of July twenty third, twenty twenty four, Ronald Row Junior

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serves as the Acting Director of the Secret Service. As

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acting Director, he is responsible for successfully executing the agency's

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and integrated mission of protection and investigations by leading a

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diverse workforce composed of more than seventy eight hundred agents,

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uniform division officers, technical law enforcement officers, and administrative, professional

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and technical personnel. Prior to this appointment, he served as

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Deputy Director of the Secret Service in April of twenty

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twenty three. In this role, mister Roy was responsible for

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the direct oversight of the agency's daily investigative and protective operations.

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Mister Rowe also guided the agency's policies and was responsible

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for introducing state of the art technology to enhance the

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agency's protective countermeasures. Prior to his appointment as Deputy Director,

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mister Rose served as the agency's Assistant Director for Office

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of inter Governmental and Legislative Affairs. He was responsible for

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leaving the Secret Service engagement with Congress, the Department of

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Homeland Security, and government partners. And it goes on y'all

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to cover a lot of things that he's done. He's

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very experienced in the Secret Service, and at the end,

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it says mister Rose started his career with the Secret

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Service in nineteen ninety nine. He previously served as a

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police officer in West Palm Beach, Florida. In that ironic.

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He earned a Bachelor of Arts in Criminology and Criminal

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Justice in nineteen ninety four from the University of Maryland

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in College Park, Maryland, and graduated from Lynn University in

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Boca Raton, Florida. In two thousand and seven. He received

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a Masters of Science and Administration. Additionally, he completed the

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Naval Postgraduate School's Executive Leaders Program in Homeland Defense and

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Security in twenty nineteen in Monterey, California. So that's who

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he is. And joining Ronald Row in this hearing was

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Deputy FBI Director Paul Abate, and I'll just go over

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his bio with you real quick. Director Christopher Wray has

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named Paul Abate as the Deputy Director of the FBI.

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As deputy he oversees all FBI domestic and international investigative

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and intelligence activities. Mister Debate recently served as the Associate

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Deputy Director. Mister Debate joined the FBI as a special

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agent in nineteen ninety six and was assigned to the

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Criminal Division in the New York Field Office. Also interesting,

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he was also named a member of the SWAT Team.

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In two thousand and three, mister Debate was promoted to

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Supervisory Special Agent and transferred to the Iraqi Unit in

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the counter Terrorism Division at the FBI headquarters in Washington.

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He also deployed Iraq in two thousand and five and

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served as the senior FBI Liaison Officer to the Department

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of Defense. Then in two thousand and six, mister Debate

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moved to the Newark Field Office in New Jersey, where

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he served on the Joint Terrorism Task Force. He was

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deployed to Afghanistan in two thousand and eight and served

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as the FBI's Deputy on Seeing Commander, where he led

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FBI counter terrorism operations in personnel and it goes on

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in States. In twenty thirteen, he was promoted to a

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Special Agent in charge of the Detroit Office, which covers

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the entire state of Michigan. In twenty sixteen, he was

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appointed to Executive Assistant Director for the Crime, Cyber Response,

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and Services Branch of the FBI, and in twenty eighteen

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was named the Associate Deputy Director. So that's who he is.

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And I've got my own opinions on both of these

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guys that I will talk about during this episode. We're

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going to get into it. And we did learn some

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things in this hearing, and one of the things we

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got more clarity on was some information on how that

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AR fifteen got onto the site. The question was asked

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by Senator Lafbonza Butler two FBI Deputy Director Abate, And

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here is what that exchange sounded like.

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How did how did mister Crooks, how was he able

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to get an AR fifteen onto the roof of that building?

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Does your investigation illuminate anything that we have learned to

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help to make that point more clear?

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We don't have definitive evidence yet as to how he

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got the rifle up there. Based on everything that's been

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collected thus far, photos, video, eyewitness accounts, we do believe

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he likely had it in the.

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Backpack, broken down in the backpap.

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We're still assessing that. Our laboratory has taken it, looked

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at the rifle itself and measured that against the backpack itself,

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and if placed in this backpack it would extend outside.

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It would have been visible.

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We don't have anyone who has observed him, who observed

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him with the backpack with a rifle barrel or other

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part of it sticking out of the backpack, But the

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rifle would not have fit fully into this backpack to

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be concealed in whole. We have video that was recently

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found of the shooter walking in a distance from his

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car just before six pm, about five point fifty six,

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I believe, and based on everything we have, we assess

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that he returned to his vehicle at that time, got

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the backpack, and then proceeded back to the area and

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to the AGR building and then he's observed, of course

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on the roof just you know, minutes later.

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The backpack in front of him.

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In fact, there's dash cam footage from a police vehicle

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that shows him briefly traversing the roof with the backpack

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in front of him, and then it's just minutes after

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that that he's actually seen by the officer who I

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described with the rifle on the roof. It's possible that

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he broke the rifle down that we don't have conclusive

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evidence of that, and took it out of the bag

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on the roof in those moments before and reassembled there.

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That's one of the theories we're looking at and working

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on right now.

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Thank you for that.

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You take me right, Acting Director row Up. Thank you

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for your years of dedicated service and jumping in in

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a hot time.

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But you take me right to this point of communication.

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There's been a lot of conversation about and even and

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you were written and verbal testimony. You have talked a

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lot about the communication and the disparate nature in which

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it's happening across the different channels.

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One sort of foundational.

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Question that I have are all elements of an event

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communicated on the same channel. If I lost my kid

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and I'm at a big rally, our local law enforcement

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talking on the same channel about me losing my kid,

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that they're talking about a suspicious individual.

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So when it comes to the locals, they likely have

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some type of common channel that they work off of

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in a county or an adjoining municipality. When it comes

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to the Secret Service, we do have various channels for

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various agents and our uniform division officers working specific acts

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aspects of that advance.

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So it's not possible that the delay in communication or

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the losing of the thread of tracking this individual was

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sort of lost in the commotion of all of the

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other communications that could have been or maybe was not

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effort from the communications channels that were happening.

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Senator, I can only speak to the Secret Service lines

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of communication, and we did not have anything beyond suspicious

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person that was communicated to us.

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Last question really quickly because I'm out of time, but

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Acting Director, is was there any communication.

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With the Secret.

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Service that was talking directly with the President's the former

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President's detail. That feels like there's been some question by

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colleagues about why the call wasn't made to delay the event.

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Help us understand the communication that either was or was

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not happening directly with the president former President's detail to

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make the call to delay ten minutes when we've all

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been to these events, they never happen on time, but

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to delay while this was being investigated.

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So the detail, well, they know they were were operating

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on their net, which our security room was monitoring, but

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again having information of a suspicious individual. There were other

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calls that day of individuals that came to the attention

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of law enforcement, of people that needed medical attention. So

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it really that particular regarding the assailant that never really

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rose to a level of we should we should not

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put them out there. Had we known that there was

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a dangerous individual out there, we would never let a

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protectee go out on stage.

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Now, in the last part of that clip you heard,

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have we known a very dangerous individual was around, we

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would have never let the president go on to the stage.

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And y'all, I got to be honest. That means my

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blood boil. He is essentially saying that the local police

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it was there fault. And this is a Secret Service

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acting director, mind you, it's their fault. They were communicating

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with each other, but they were not communicating with us,

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and we didn't know anything about it. I mean, this

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kid was on a roof and we've already seen the

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footage from Sadly a dead man who was shot by

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this asshole, and you can see the perspective, right. It

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doesn't make sense to me. I mean, in that video,

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his whole head is sticking out. Something ain't stirring the

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kool aid. But for the acting director to actually say

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the words had we known, that's an issue. So as

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the hearing moves on, Acting Director Roe talked about the

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Secret Service snipers actual their actual view from their perspective,

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even though we know what their actual view was now.

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But I'm gonna play the clip for you now in

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this club, because we're on audio, it's going to be

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probably a little difficult for you to really understand the

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perspective because he's describing it, he's showing pictures of it

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from the view of the Secret Service snipers to the

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roof where Crooks was at, and we don't have the

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advantage of showing you those pictures through audio. However, it's

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what he says after that was most concerning to me.

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So here's that club.

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And if I may, Senator, if I could point out

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something right now, if I may, and we will place

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this for the record.

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But this is the point of view. This is from

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the second floor of the Ager building.

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This point of view is the point of view where

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the counter sniper team locally was posted. The gold arrow

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indicates where the shooter fired from looking left. Why was

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the assailant not seen when we were told that building

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was going to be covered, that there had been a

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face to face that afternoon that our team leads met.

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This was the view. Let me show you another view, Senator.

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This view is a reenactment by one of my agents.

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Laying flat, there was a five inch rise on the

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middle of that roof. The assailant would have had to

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present his bore over that to get his shot off.

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The view underneath reflects the perspective that he would have had. Again,

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i'd call your attention back to the first exhibit. If

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they'd look left. This is what our counter schneiper team saw.

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Shooter no elbows. You barely make out the crown of

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his head below it. The assailant up prone And let

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me just tell you our counter sniper, this individual, I

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know him, I consider him a friend. He has covered

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me operationally in conflict zones and when I did my

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time on the President's detail, he exemplifies the courage, the

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skill in the ability to respond under great stress in

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such short time to neutralize a threat and prevent further

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loss of light. Getting back to your question, Senator, these

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were discussions that we had between the Pittsburgh Field Office,

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the local counterparts, and everyone supporting that visit that day.

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And that's why when I laid in that position, I

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could not and I will not and I cannot understand

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why there was not better coverage or at least somebody

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looking at that roofline when that's where they were posted.

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He straight up what According to the local police, there

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were no discussions, and I believe them. The local police

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are not going to lie on the Secret Service. They're

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just not going to do it. And according to them,

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there were no discussions prior to the event. So Senator

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klobishar in which she look she's a pretty starch democrat,

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and I'll credit her. She dispels those dumb ass the

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shooting never happened rumors, and in this exchange she actually

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gets the acting Secret Service Director to admit to something

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you'll find very interesting. Listen to this club for.

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The people in my state that keep asking me, I

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just don't get how he got on the roof. I

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know we've gone through great details and a lot of examination.

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Could you just give a minute on what went wrong

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and how you think it can be fixed? Because I

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think it's just going to help to expel the conspiracy theories.

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There are some people that think it didn't really happen,

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which of course is completely ridiculous.

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It did.

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There are some people that think all kinds of conspiracies

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went on within the government, which is also false. But

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could you just tell them what went wrong so they understand?

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Yes, thank you, Senator. I thought long and hard about this.

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I think this was a failure of imagination, a failure

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to imagine that we actually do live in a very

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dangerous world where people do actually want to do harm

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to our protectees. I think it was a failure to

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challenge our own assumptions, the assumptions that we know our

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partners are going to do everything they can, and they

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do this every day, but we didn't challenge our own

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assumptions of we assume that someone's going to cover that,

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we assume that there's going to be uniform presents, challenge

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that internally during that advance. So moving forward, I've directed

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that when we're talking to people and we're making requests,

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we are very specific about what we want. We are

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providing explicit instructions on exactly what our expectation is and

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what we need them to do and what we want

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them to do. That's the only way that we're going

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to be able to move forward beyond this. And let

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me just tell you that our state and local law

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enforcement partners are the best.

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So this.

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This belief that somehow they are less than federal law enforcement,

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or they're less than the Secret Service. They're out there

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patrolling communities every day. They're the ones out there going

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into hazardous conditions every day. They know their communities, They

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have the ability to enforce state and local laws.

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Our advance agents do not.

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We need them and we need them to be partners

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with us, and I think we need to be very

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clear to them, and that may have contributed to this situation.

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One of the things you mentioned to me was and

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to all of us was in this other briefing was

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just the texting protocol. And I think a lot of

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us think about this in non security settings, about how

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people are just texting all the time instead of talking,

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and how it takes our eyes off. In your case,

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the target, could you talk about what might have gone

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wrong there and how you think things could change when

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there's the hope is that their eyes are constantly on

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the scene and on the potential targets and risks.

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Thank you, senator.

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So again, we need people focused on the problem or

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on their area of responsibility. It was great that there

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was a text chain, but that communication needs to go

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over the net. It needs to go over a radio

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channel so that everyone has situational awareness of it. And

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what I was the point I was making in the

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in the closed door briefing, is that we have to

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get to a point now where we are using our

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radio systems to have that collective awareness of this.

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The I think you.

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Know one of the things that I've directed is that

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in addition to the interoperability, where we're going to roll

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out common operating picture or common operating platform that we

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utilize for national special security events, we have the ability

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to roll that out to the field that has a

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Blue Force tracker in it, that's able to where you

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can put where all your state and local assets are,

468
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.880
where our federal assets are. But in addition to that,

469
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.559
I want people using the radio. So it's great that

470
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.799
the tactical elements are talking to each other, it's great

471
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.359
that the shift is talking to each other, but we

472
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.680
have to be able to make sure that whenever we

473
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:02.559
come across a situation that everyone has situational awareness of this.

474
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:03.400
And I will take this.

475
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.160
You know, I in my time when I was operational

476
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.920
in the President's detail, you know, we you know, we

477
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.200
were given the explicit instruction, Hey, if it's if you're

478
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.319
going to pass it, if it's relevant enough that you

479
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.880
feel like you need to pass that information, do.

480
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.240
It over the radio. And that was the protocol that

481
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:23.640
we had.

482
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.359
And I think over the years, perhaps with the advent

483
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.400
of technology and smartphones, perhaps.

484
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:29.119
We've gotten away from that.

485
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.240
But we need to get people back on the scope

486
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.200
back on mission back focused on what they need to

487
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.799
be responsible for now.

488
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:39.880
Early in that clip he mentioned and actually he said

489
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.640
exactly this. We made assumptions. We assumed someone was going

490
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.839
to cover that, meaning the roof, and they have it.

491
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:55.079
If you assumed it, that means you never verbally told

492
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.720
someone to cover the roof, as you said you did

493
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.480
in the clip I just played a few minutes ago

494
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.960
where he stated he had discussions reguarding that roof with

495
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:11.799
the local police and the state police. Both things can't

496
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:16.880
be true. Either you assumed it and you didn't tell somebody,

497
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.039
or you told somebody and he just told you both things.

498
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.119
That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth,

499
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.200
and that dude is lying. Proof positive he's lying. In

500
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:36.960
my opinion, you form your Now it's about to get

501
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:43.240
really heated in this next exchange. So Senator Hawley, he

502
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.720
wanted to know why a Secret Service sniper was not

503
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.440
on that roof like all of us. Look, it's the

504
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.039
most glaring thing in this whole case. In likely the

505
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:59.799
most heated exchange of the day, the acting director attempts

506
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:04.160
to answer that question and more so, we'll play the

507
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.640
clip and we're going to unpack this after you listen.

508
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.400
Senator Holy hey, mister chairman, Director ro can you put

509
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.720
your first poster, your first admonstrative backup?

510
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.200
Please put a up please, Let's make.

511
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:18.119
Sure everybody can see it.

512
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.359
This is the photograph I believe that you took your

513
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.599
team took of the roof, the AGR roof.

514
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.839
Yeah, that's the one. Okay, So from this.

515
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.240
Vantage points as the law enforcement who are in those

516
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.319
windows as they look left, they should be able to

517
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.279
see the shooter clearly there on the AGR second floor roof.

518
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.839
My question is why is there not a Secret Service

519
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.319
counter sniper on that roof?

520
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:48.240
So, Senator, we're when we post up is our methodology

521
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.799
is to look out, look at things that can see

522
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.559
in on our protectees so that they can provide that coverage.

523
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.200
But why is there not a Secret Service counter sniper

524
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.519
there with clear line of sight? That roof a clear

525
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.240
line of sight to the former president, why didn't you

526
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.559
put a Secret Service counter sniper there?

527
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.960
The Secret Services counter sniper role is to neutralize those

528
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.039
threats that are looking in on us from where the

529
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.599
protectee is not necessarily.

530
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.799
Maybe you might want to revise that protocol in light

531
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.640
of what happened here.

532
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.920
They were protecting the principle, and I think in principle

533
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:25.440
got shot.

534
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:26.839
I understand that, sir, So.

535
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.559
Do you think you might want to revise the protocol?

536
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.759
Let me ask you this, who is the lead site

537
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.039
agent who made the decision to leave the AGR building

538
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.119
completely outside of the security perimeter.

539
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:37.680
Who was that?

540
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:38.359
Senator?

541
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.319
I cannot give you that name. This person is operational.

542
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:44.039
They're still doing investigations, they're still doing protective visits.

543
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.160
They being relieved of duty.

544
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.759
Senator, they have not known their name of duty.

545
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:51.200
Why have they not been relieved of duty?

546
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:54.680
They are still cooperating, not only being interviewed by the FBI,

547
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.720
but also by our Office of Professional Responsibility, and we

548
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:02.559
will let the facts of the mission assurance and any

549
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.160
further investigations playout.

550
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.599
Isn't the fact that a former president was shot, that

551
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.800
a good American is dead, that other Americans were critically wounded.

552
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:12.920
Isn't that enough mission failure for you to say that

553
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.400
the person who decided that that building should not be

554
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.800
in the security premer probably ought to be stepped down?

555
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.159
Senator, I think you're using the word decided, and I

556
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:28.480
think we need to allow the investigation play out to include.

557
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.320
Okay, so who did make the decision? Then if it

558
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.639
wasn't the lead site agent who made the decision not

559
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:33.800
to put that in security prem.

560
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.440
Senator, you're zeroing in on one particular agent. I want

561
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.880
to find out exactly, Yeah, what was the entire decision process?

562
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:41.719
So I think, yeah, I want to be neutral and

563
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.880
make sure that we get to the bottom of it

564
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.639
and interview everybody in order to determine if there was

565
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.760
more than one person who perhaps exercise bad judgment.

566
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.280
Well, sure, My question is why don't you relieve everybody

567
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.239
of duty who made bad judgment? So, yeah, you're right,

568
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.159
I am zeroing in on somebody. I'm trying to find

569
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.119
somebody who's accountable here, and you're telling me that the

570
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.280
person who made the decision not to include this in

571
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:04.599
the perimeter has not been.

572
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:05.199
Relieved of duty.

573
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:06.960
What about the person who is in charge of the

574
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:11.840
interoperability of radio frequencies between local law enforcement and Secret Service.

575
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.480
Has that person been relieved to duty?

576
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:18.960
No, center, Because interoperability is a challenge, is a greater

577
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.280
challenge than just one person. On that day, we had

578
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.360
a counterpart system. It failed.

579
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:28.639
Has the person who decided who made the decision to

580
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.280
send Donald Trump onto stage knowing that you had a

581
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:32.199
security situation.

582
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:33.760
Has that person been relieved of duty?

583
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:34.679
No, sir, they haven't.

584
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.039
Has the person who decided not to pull the former

585
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.320
president off of stage when you knew that, in your words,

586
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.119
the locals were working a serious security situation, has that

587
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:43.440
person been relieved of duty?

588
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:44.719
No, sir.

589
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.000
Again, I refer you back to my original answer that

590
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.719
we are investigating this through a mission assurance and as

591
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.360
opposed to zeroing in on one.

592
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.400
What more do you need to investigate to know exactly

593
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.840
what this decision? You need to investigate to know that

594
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.639
there were critical enough failures that some into visuals ought

595
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:01.599
to be held accountable.

596
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:03.199
I mean, what more do you need to know?

597
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.159
What I need to know is exactly what happened, and

598
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.199
I need my investigators to do their job, and I

599
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:13.280
can people didn't either. Cannot put my thumb on the scale. Otherwise,

600
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.119
what do you mean put your thumb the objective theject

601
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.920
You're asking me, Senator, to completely make a rush to

602
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:20.639
judgment about somebody failing.

603
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.440
I acknowledge this was a failure.

604
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.679
Of Is it not primo facia that somebody has failed

605
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.079
a former president was shot, Sir, this.

606
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.800
Could have been our Texas school book depository. I have

607
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.079
lost sleep over that for the last seventeen days, just

608
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:35.320
like somebody.

609
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:36.800
So I will tell you, Senator.

610
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.559
I will tell you, Senator, that I will not rush

611
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.679
to judgment, that people will be held accountable, and I

612
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:47.000
will do so with integrity and not rush to judgment

613
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.559
and put pepakim.

614
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:51.840
I unfairly persecuted.

615
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.000
Fairly, Sir.

616
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.239
We have to be able to have a proper investigation

617
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:56.920
into this.

618
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.400
Senator, you said earlier that you've got to make sure

619
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.920
that your prote calls are followed and unless there's a

620
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.880
protocol violation, people wouldn't be disciplined. I would just say

621
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.199
to you, I don't really care that much about your protocols.

622
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.639
I think if your protocols don't provide for the fact

623
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.840
that when a former president is shot, when an American

624
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.320
is killed, when other rally goers, innocent people who just

625
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.239
showed up on the day, when they are shot at

626
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:22.079
and critically wounded, if that isn't a protocol violation prima facia,

627
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:23.960
you should revise your protocols.

628
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:24.760
Senator.

629
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:26.800
I think this is where you and I agree. This

630
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.000
was a failure and we will get to the bottom

631
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:29.199
of it.

632
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:30.599
Well, I hope you're going to do something about it.

633
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.599
Let me ask you something else. The Real Clear Politics

634
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.880
reports this morning that you were directly involved in denying

635
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:42.559
additional security resources and personnel, including counter snipers, not just

636
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.440
to this event, but over the last two years that

637
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.280
President's Trump's President Trump's team repeatedly asked for these additional resources,

638
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.599
and you personally were involved in denying them.

639
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.119
Is that true, Senator? As I stated earlier, that is

640
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:55.519
not true.

641
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.559
So you never denied any resources to former President Trump's team. No,

642
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.280
not me, You weren't, and you weren't involved in any

643
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.440
of that. You were never involved in the decision making, No, sir,

644
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:08.239
I was not. Let me ask you this one or

645
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.599
two other things here quickly. Well, whistleblowers tell me that

646
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:14.199
in fact, law enforcement were stationed to be on that

647
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.199
roof and that law enforcement abandoned their post because it

648
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:18.800
was two hots.

649
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.159
That accurate, Senator, I have heard that as well.

650
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:27.840
Again, they posted up inside, and I think, moving forward,

651
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.159
as I said earlier, We're going to ensure that stay

652
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:31.800
in local counter snipers are on roofs.

653
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.760
But do you know if someone was supposed to be

654
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:36.679
on the roof. Do you know if someone was in fact,

655
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.440
that's what the whistleblower tells me, that may or may

656
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.079
not be accurate. Do you know that to be the fact?

657
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.159
Was somebody posted to the roof local law enforcement or whomever.

658
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.199
I do not know that to be a fact.

659
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:48.079
Well, can I ask you why you don't know that?

660
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:49.440
Again?

661
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:53.519
Senator, we are looking at this and they should have

662
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:55.639
been on that roof, and the fact that they were

663
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.599
in the building is something that I'm still trying to understand.

664
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.440
I just want to express my frustration. Director, that's seventeen

665
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.119
days or whatever it's been, that whistleblowers are telling us

666
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:07.960
more than you are and you don't know. You haven't

667
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.760
ascertained if there was supposed to be law enforcement on

668
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.480
the roof. That seems like a pretty basic fact. I'm

669
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.920
also told that local law enforcement suppliers offered the Secret

670
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.519
Service drones and you declined them.

671
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:21.320
Is that true?

672
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.119
So, Senator one, I've been very transparent and forthcoming.

673
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.639
Their agency has not been transparent and forthcoming, So please let's.

674
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:31.000
Not go there.

675
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:32.599
I have been forthcoming, sir.

676
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.079
That remains to be seen. You've been on the job

677
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.679
a few days so far you fired nobody. Now the drones.

678
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.639
Thank you, you offered drones.

679
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:42.079
Senator, there wasn't offered a fly.

680
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:43.840
A drone on that day, and why did you deny it?

681
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:45.719
Again?

682
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.599
I think the ability of local law enforcement provide an asset,

683
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:52.599
we probably should have taken them up on it if

684
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:53.920
we if it was offered.

685
00:39:54.559 --> 00:40:00.199
Now, Josh Hawley nailed it. I would say, it's pretty

686
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:08.280
obvious that someone screwed up royally here. Yet no one,

687
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:13.079
no one has been placed on leave. Hell, they're still working.

688
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.880
Everybody on that secret service detail is still working. They're

689
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.119
not even at home with pay while they investigate, which

690
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.719
even local police do that. When someone in your local

691
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.400
police department gets in trouble or they get a complaint

692
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.159
filed against them, they go home. Typically it's with pay

693
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:38.840
while they are being investigated. These guys are still working details.

694
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:43.480
That's insanity. He says, We're gonna make sure that this

695
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.039
investigation is proper, and I get all that, and you should,

696
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.119
you definitely should, but these guys should not be working

697
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:57.039
a detail right now while an investigation is going on.

698
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:03.320
There's a competence issue you with these guys. Some of them,

699
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:07.800
we'll move on, but we won't get any less heated

700
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:12.159
because next up was Ted Cruz, and things stayed heated

701
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.599
when Ted Cruz got his shot at questioning the acting

702
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.079
Secret Service Director. And he also addressed the rumor directly

703
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.960
that we've all heard regarding whether or not Trump did

704
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.360
not have the proper amount of agents at the rally.

705
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.400
There's a lot of rumors swirlling around that they pulled

706
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.519
some agents away because the first lady was going to

707
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.880
a party or something and she wanted or she needed

708
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.239
more security for that, and so they pulled it from

709
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.400
the Trump rally. He addressed it the Secret Service director

710
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.039
in Ted Cruz in this exchange, and here's that.

711
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:50.000
Thank you, missus.

712
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:54.119
Chairman, mister Roe, thank you for being here. I agree

713
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.239
with what you said at the outset that the individual

714
00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:00.559
Secret Service agents demonstrated remarkable personal courage putting the bodies

715
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.079
in between the line of sight of the shooter and

716
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:07.039
the president. That being said, the bravery of the line

717
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.559
agents is quite different from the decisions of Secret Service leadership.

718
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:17.960
Secret Service leadership committed catastrophic security failures, indeed, the worst

719
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:22.119
security failures for the Secret Service since nineteen eighty one,

720
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.400
since the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan. It is

721
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:34.800
incumbent upon this committee to determine why those security failures happened.

722
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:41.079
Just after the shooting, Secret Service put out an official

723
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:44.199
statement from your spokesperson that says, there's an untrue assertion

724
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.039
that a member of the former president's team requested additional

725
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.559
security resources, that those were rebuffed.

726
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:51.039
This is absolutely false.

727
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.920
In fact, we added protective resources and technology and capabilities

728
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.920
as part of the increased campaign travel tempo.

729
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:02.760
Was this tweet accurate with respect to Butler, Pennsylvania? It

730
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:03.599
is accurate, sir.

731
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:10.320
It is accurate that the Trump team had not asked

732
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.280
for additional security and had not been rebuffed.

733
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.480
If you're talking about Butler, Pennsylvania, all assets requested were approved.

734
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.199
If you're talking about the media reporting of assets requested,

735
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.000
there were times when assets were unavailable and not able

736
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.920
to be filled, and those gaps were staffed with state

737
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:33.920
and local law enforcement tactical assets.

738
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.599
So I'm reading from the Washington Post July twentieth, twenty

739
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.280
twenty four, Secret Service said to a denied request for

740
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.400
more security at Trump events. The opening paragraph top officials

741
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.800
of the US Secret Service repeatedly denied requests for additional

742
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.880
resources and personnel sought by Donald Trump's security detail in

743
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:54.199
the two years leading up to his attempted assassination, according

744
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.159
to four people familiar with the requests, is that right

745
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.920
that repeatedly the Trump detail asked for more resources and

746
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.920
repeatedly Secret Service leadership turned that down.

747
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:08.360
That is not accurate. Senator assets are requested. There's a

748
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:09.960
process that has made.

749
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.480
How many requests did did the Trump team or the

750
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:14.599
Trump Detail ask for?

751
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.280
I can get you that number in a que.

752
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:19.400
You don't know now, so I can speak to the

753
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.760
ones that reported in the Washington Post and we can

754
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:22.800
go through them if you like.

755
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.480
But you don't know how many requests there were.

756
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:28.119
In general?

757
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.480
How many requests since twenty twenty one that the former

758
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.679
Trump detail has made a request for asking.

759
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:33.280
You've had two weeks.

760
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.039
You had a spokesperson put something out that is false

761
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.000
on its face. By the way, did you approve this

762
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:39.000
statement when it went out?

763
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:42.000
I don't know if I did or didn't say.

764
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.440
Has this spokesperson is he still employed? Does he still

765
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.679
have still employed? So he lied on behalf of the

766
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:49.559
Secret Service? He still has a job? Did your predecessor,

767
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.760
the former director, does she approve this statement.

768
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:57.679
Senator, our comms team they send out statements, they do

769
00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.239
deconflict them, and they put them out.

770
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.039
Did she approve this statement? I don't know if she

771
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:04.599
did or did not. And you don't know if you

772
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:05.079
did either.

773
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.719
I don't recall approving it, Senator.

774
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.360
Will you commit to provide this committee in writing every

775
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.119
written request for additional resources from the Trump campaign or

776
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.800
the Trump Detail and every response from Secret Service?

777
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:26.679
Senator, I will commit to providing responses and getting you

778
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.599
the information that you are seeking.

779
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:34.440
May ask you something and who makes the decision to

780
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:35.480
deny those requests?

781
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:36.599
Did you make that decision?

782
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.119
Which requests are you talking about the ones that read

783
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:40.079
any end of the post?

784
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:40.760
Yes?

785
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:45.480
The processor is that a detail will make a request

786
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.280
for either staffing technical assets. That is handled between the

787
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.679
field office and the detail. It goes up to a

788
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.199
logistics office between Okay, so there's a bureaucracy. Is there

789
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:57.880
a decision make?

790
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.280
It's not a bureaucracy, Senator, that's a person that's a

791
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:00.960
decision maker.

792
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:02.199
Is there one?

793
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.440
Senator? It's a conversation. It's not just an absolute yet.

794
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:08.239
So let me tell you what I believe.

795
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.039
I believe that the Secret Service leadership made a political

796
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:16.280
decision to deny these requests, and I think the Biden

797
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:20.559
administration has been suffused with partisan politics. Did the same

798
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.480
person who denied the request for additional security to President

799
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.440
Trump also repeatedly deny the request for security to Robert F.

800
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.679
Kennedy Junior, whose father was murdered by an assassin and

801
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.920
whose uncle was murdered by an assassin?

802
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:34.719
Did the same person make that decision?

803
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:35.559
Senator?

804
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.159
What I will tell you is that Secret Service agents

805
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:39.280
are not political.

806
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:40.239
Okay, you're not answering.

807
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.159
You know what leader by the president or leadership appointed

808
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.079
by the president is political.

809
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.199
I have a simple question, yes or no?

810
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:53.159
Did the same person deny the Trump requests that also

811
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:54.679
denied the RFK request.

812
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:56.960
That's a yes or no question, Senator.

813
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.159
That is not a yes or no question. One.

814
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.320
There is a process for a candidate nominee to receive protection?

815
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.079
Is there a by Cameron? Does a bike stop body

816
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:12.079
artisan process? That they by cameral bipartisan process? What can

817
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.480
a candidate not in Congress? Don't you have a camer.

818
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.760
Mister Kennedy submitted a request that was referred over to

819
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:19.440
the Sea Pack.

820
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.119
Okay, you're refusing to answer the question. Let me ask

821
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.800
because because the failures on that day were catastrophic. By

822
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.159
the way, is it true that on the day of

823
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.199
the of the Butler event, that Secret Service transferred agent

824
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.559
from President Trump to the First Lady H.

825
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:34.920
No, sir, that's not true.

826
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.199
That's been widely reported.

827
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:37.480
It's not true.

828
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.880
There was one airport agent that actually went on the

829
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:40.920
MANPIW request for.

830
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.480
The Trump detail. They handled the arrival at the airport.

831
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.239
What is the relative what was the relative size of

832
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.079
the Trump detail compared to the detail that is assigned

833
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.679
to the president of the First Lady uh?

834
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:52.440
Senator?

835
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.519
The former president travels with a full shift just like

836
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:56.119
the president.

837
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.639
What's the so the exact same size? Is that your

838
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.480
testimony that the President Trump had the same size detail

839
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:02.639
that President Biden.

840
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.920
Has on the day of in Butler, the agent surrounding him.

841
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.239
It is the same number of agents surrounding the president today.

842
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.280
There is a difference between a sitting president who also

843
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:13.199
not only.

844
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.599
And you're using president in a way that is not clear.

845
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.400
Is it your testimony that in Butler, Pennsylvania, Donald Trump

846
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.599
had the same number of agents protecting him that Joe

847
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:25.239
Biden has at a comparable event.

848
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.880
I'm telling you the shift, the close protection shift surrounded. Yes,

849
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.159
you ask me, Senator, and I'm trying to answer it.

850
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:34.559
You are not answering it. Is it the same number

851
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:35.280
of agents or not?

852
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:36.719
Senator?

853
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.320
There is a difference between the sitting president of the

854
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.079
United States and what's the difference?

855
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.320
The difference two x three x five?

856
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.199
National demand authority to launch a nuclear strike?

857
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:47.960
The assets?

858
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.159
How many more will with the president. That's the former

859
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.760
president you're refusing, but the number of secret services atop

860
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:58.599
interrupting him to stop interrupting me, go ahead, refusing to

861
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:03.119
answer clear and direct questions. I am asking the relative

862
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:06.880
difference in the number of agents between those assigned to

863
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.440
Donald Trump and those assigned to Joe Biden. I'm not

864
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.360
asking why you assign more to Joe Biden. I'm asking

865
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:13.320
is the difference?

866
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.719
Is it two X? Is it three X? Is it

867
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.320
five X? Is it ten X?

868
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:18.320
Senator?

869
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.199
I will get you that number so you can see

870
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:21.280
it with your own eyes.

871
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.320
I told you all that was heated, and let's cover

872
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.159
some of the things that were said. Did you approve

873
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.480
the statement before it went out? Uh? I don't know

874
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:40.079
if I did or if I did not bullshit bull shit.

875
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:44.719
That's the second time I can almost definitively tell you.

876
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.400
And of course I wasn't there. I have no direct knowledge.

877
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.840
I have to say that for legal reasons. But my

878
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:53.000
bullshit mean is on ten right now, And that's a

879
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:57.960
second time during this podcast. I don't believe this guy

880
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:05.679
and crews nailed it. All of these decisions are driven

881
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:11.639
to serve a political end. Leadership appointed by the president

882
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:16.519
is political just by its very nature, y'all. If a

883
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.719
president appoints you, that means the president is your boss.

884
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.400
He can hire you and he can fire you, right,

885
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.480
So if it is human nature to not want to

886
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:30.599
piss your boss off, typically so of course there's a

887
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.880
political end there, especially if you like your boss and

888
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.639
you feel like someone else is going to take his job.

889
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.800
But for this guy to say there's nothing political about

890
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.559
the Secret Service, eh not at the local level. I mean, look,

891
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.400
there are ninety nine out of one hundred Secret Service

892
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:49.719
agents that are great. But there's good and bad in

893
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.239
every profession. And when you go way up that ladder

894
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:56.719
to the leadership of the Secret Service, those people are political,

895
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.679
make no mistake about it. So I call bullshit again

896
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.440
and I think this guy's got an attitude a little

897
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:04.559
bit more. He needs to be a little more humble

898
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.880
my opinion, I think he's arrogant to stand in front

899
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.960
of Congress and bark back at them like that after

900
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.840
a former president was shot. Dudes, you need to eat

901
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.159
some humble pie and take your medicine. I mean, this

902
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:20.480
guy is not the solution for the Secret Service in

903
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.440
my view. He couldn't even give Cruz the number of

904
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:28.639
agents in that last exchange that were assigned to the president,

905
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:33.880
and how many they assigned to the former president, especially

906
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:36.000
not at this event. Couldn't even give him a number.

907
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.000
Not because he didn't want to, I submit to you.

908
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:42.119
It's because he did not know the number and he

909
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:43.800
didn't want to put a number out there and look

910
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.679
like a dumbass. But instead of just saying that, instead

911
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.480
of just saying I don't have the number, I'll get

912
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:54.719
it for you, he wants to get argumentative with with Cruz. Now.

913
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.760
The last clip that I'm going to play you is

914
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:04.079
from Louise he and Senator John Kennedy. I've met John

915
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.840
Kennedy personally, and he is a heck of a guy

916
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.760
and just as funny in person. As he is on TV.

917
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.760
And look just real quickly on John Kenny. A lot

918
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:16.800
of people don't realize us. John Kennedy is probably the

919
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.440
smartest guy in Congress. Do y'all know? He is a

920
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:28.880
Rhodes scholar. He has a a degree from Vanderbilt, then

921
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.119
he got his law degree. He's a Rhodes scholar. But

922
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:37.239
he talks funny. You know. He's just a good old

923
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.280
sounds like a good old boy from South Louisiana, and

924
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.559
he is. He's from Zachary, which is about twenty minutes

925
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:47.320
from where I record. Thirty minutes big brain on John Kennedy.

926
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:52.320
And he has a unique way in which he questions people.

927
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:55.239
If you're familiar with him, you know that already. But

928
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:58.639
in his exchange with both the FBI director and the

929
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:04.440
Secret Service Acting director, Kennedy, who seemingly never gets heated,

930
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.199
he keeps us cool like he always does, and he

931
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:11.519
maintains that unique questioning as only he can do it.

932
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:12.920
And here's that exchange.

933
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.360
Mister Abate, Am I saying your name right?

934
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:17.599
Yes?

935
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:18.000
Senator?

936
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:18.599
Thank you?

937
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.679
You are the deputy director of the FBI.

938
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:22.400
Is that correct?

939
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:22.840
Yes?

940
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.559
Center, Is there.

941
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:32.400
Any doubt in your mind or in the collective mind

942
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:39.480
of the FBI that President Trump was shot in the

943
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:44.920
ear by a bullet fired by the asassin crooks.

944
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:48.880
There is, Senator, there is absolutely no doubt in the

945
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:54.639
FBI's mind whether former President Trump was hit with the

946
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.079
with a bullet and wounded in the air. No doubt.

947
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:00.960
There never has been. I've been part of this investigation

948
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.039
since the very beginning, and that has never been raised.

949
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:11.440
You're sure, Yes, it wasn't a space lacer. No, it

950
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:18.639
wasn't a murder hornet, absolutely not. It wasn't sasquatch, no center.

951
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.360
It was a bullet. It was a bullet, Senator, fired

952
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.840
by crooks. Yes, sir, that hit President Trump in the

953
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:32.280
year and almost killed him. Okay, mister rowe help me

954
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:39.800
understand this. The assassin crooks fired his first shot. As

955
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:44.440
I understand that, it's six twelve pm. He was about

956
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:50.719
one hundred and forty one hundred and fifty yards away.

957
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:58.960
It's been reported that the snipers, the government snipers, saw

958
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:04.960
him on the roof twenty minutes before, not two minutes.

959
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:07.239
Twenty minutes before.

960
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:11.760
Is that correct, Senator? That is that's the first time

961
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.480
I'm hearing this. That is not correct based on the

962
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:15.960
information I have right now, sir.

963
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:23.119
Well, when did the FBI snipers see him on the roof?

964
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.519
Just secret Service snipers, sir, I mean, I'm sorry that

965
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.519
you're right. No, I'm just kidding. I understand. I apologize.

966
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:35.360
When did the Secret Service snipers, one of whom ultimately

967
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.719
shot the assassin crooks, first see him on that roof?

968
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.800
So, sir, immediately upon the shots being fired?

969
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:49.000
Are snipers, I know that, But when did they first

970
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:49.480
see him?

971
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.840
You got a guy lying on a roof.

972
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.079
You got snipers in an elevated position they can look

973
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:58.199
down on the roof. You get the guy lying there

974
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.000
with a gun pointed at the former president of the

975
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:03.880
United States. And I'm just and they shot him. Good

976
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:08.599
for them. He's now dead, is Woodrow Wilson.

977
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:10.000
And that's a good thing.

978
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:15.920
I'm sorry, God forgive me, but it's a good thing.

979
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.400
But when did the snipers first see him?

980
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.280
As soon as he presented himself as a target and

981
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.239
a threat to the president, sir? And when was that

982
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:33.400
he fires? Initially a volley. I believe it was three shots.

983
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.320
He fired at six twelve pm, Yes, sir, okay, this

984
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.079
first shot, so within fifteen point five seconds of the

985
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:44.760
first shot. Here's what people are asking. Yes, sir, he

986
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:48.599
was up Krooks was up there. The snipers at some

987
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:53.239
point saw him, Yes, sir, our snipers because they killed him. Yes, sir,

988
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:58.760
When did they first see him? It has been reported

989
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:04.880
repeatedly that the snipers first saw him twenty minutes before.

990
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:09.079
That's more than a quarter in an NFL football game. Yes, sir,

991
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.480
do you You don't know the answer. So I do

992
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:14.639
know the answer, sir. I'm telling you that. What is

993
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:15.159
the answer?

994
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.400
No, they did not see him. They only never saw him.

995
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:22.559
No, sir, Well they how could they not see the guy?

996
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.800
How could they not see They're in an elevating position,

997
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.960
they're checking rooftops, they're looking around.

998
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:31.039
There's two government snipers.

999
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.880
How could they not see him there?

1000
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.920
He was big as Dallas, lying there with a gun

1001
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:37.960
pointed at the present.

1002
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:39.280
How could they not see him?

1003
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:41.920
I believe he was obscured by that roof, sir. He

1004
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:43.679
would have he did not pop up.

1005
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:49.159
The roof is flat with ridges. He's below the line

1006
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:50.320
where they would have seen him.

1007
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:50.480
Sir.

1008
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.800
There is a he did have concealments. I'm not going

1009
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.320
to say it's cover. He did have concealment uh and

1010
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:01.679
then ultimately gets into firing position and fires and within

1011
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.239
fifteen point five seconds of his first shot, he's neutralized.

1012
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:10.119
I've gone well, yep, you gentlemen need to answer these questions.

1013
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:14.360
And their peeps, I submit to you, is the key

1014
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:22.960
to this whole fucking deal. How could they not see him,

1015
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:27.880
especially since the video that I referenced in this podcast

1016
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:34.159
came out where he is clearly seen from someone that

1017
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:43.119
was behind Trump well sadly, and it pains me to

1018
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:47.519
say this, I think there's a good chance they did

1019
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.800
see him. It's just not looking good for big government.

1020
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:56.719
And there'll be more to come on that with episode five,

1021
00:58:56.920 --> 00:58:59.440
which I'm gonna drop soon. And I want to let

1022
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:03.440
you know about Episode five and who we're going to

1023
00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:08.079
be talking about in that episode, and that is probably

1024
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:13.800
the most beloved sheriff in the entire country. He comes

1025
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:18.920
from the center of the state of Florida, Polk County,

1026
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:25.800
and his name is Grady Judd. What I like about

1027
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breaking down what he thinks about this entire incident is

1028
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:37.079
number one. Grady Judd has done one of these events,

1029
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:42.719
these rallies that Trump was involved in with the Secret

1030
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:48.000
Service before and he knows exactly how that process is

1031
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:54.159
supposed to work, and I underline supposed to work. He

1032
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:57.920
also gives his opinion on what went wrong and many

1033
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:05.599
other things that's coming to you in episode five. And

1034
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:11.559
there's a good chance that after episode five drops, the

1035
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:16.239
subsequent drops of the Becoming forty seven series will become

1036
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a Patreon only park. And the reason that I'm looking

1037
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into doing that is the expense and the research involved

1038
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.400
in this particular series takes an exorbitant amount of time.

1039
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Clipping all this stuff out, y'all, takes hours, and those

1040
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:43.679
people pay for that, and so those subsequent episodes are

1041
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:49.679
likely going to be accessible on Patreon only. It's a business, y'all,

1042
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.119
and so many people enjoy it, we don't want to

1043
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:56.039
take it away completely, so it will likely become an

1044
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:59.559
aspect of our bonuses that we drop on Patroon along

1045
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:02.639
with them things. Thank you again for listening. I love

1046
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.719
and appreciate every single one of you, and for exposed

1047
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scandalous files of the elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman.

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Much love,