July 31, 2024

Becoming 47 Part 2 | The Truth Never Changes

Becoming 47 Part 2 | The Truth Never Changes

In Part 2 of the ground breaking series  “Becoming 47” hosted by Jim Chapman, we explore the aftermath of the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump and the resignation of US Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheadle. 

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Season 1

In Part 2 of the ground breaking series “Becoming 47” hosted by Jim Chapman, we explore the aftermath of the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump and the resignation of US Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheadle.

We cover in detail the testimony provided by Colonel Christopher Paris in the Congressional Hearing following Cheadle’s testimony and reveal new insights on the tragic event in Pennsylvania.
This series is brought to you by Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite and Envision Podcast Productions.

Timestamps
00:34 Update on Secret Service Director Resignation
03:50 Debunking Rumors: Was Trump Actually Shot?
05:48 Physician's Statement Confirming Trump's Gunshot Wound
08:46 Day Two of Committee Hearing: New Information Revealed
11:17 Testimony of Pennsylvania State Police Colonel
19:33 Responsibility for Securing AGR Building
25:25 Controversy Over ESU Officers Leaving Post
26:14 DA's Defense of Local Snipers and Allegations of Lying
30:22 Conflicting Stories
30:53 Surprising Time Frame
34:18 Communication Breakdown
35:49 Interoperability Issues
38:59 Responsibility for AGR Building
42:31 Timeline Discrepancies
47:20 Tallest Structure Revelation
49:19 Americans' Speculations
50:41 Investigation at Suspect's Home
53:22 Day Three Preview
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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host, Jim Chapman, and we

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are in part two of Becoming forty seven. And I'm

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going to call this the Truth Never Changes. And I'm

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going to start with a few updates from what we

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covered in part one of this series, which covered the

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testimony or lack thereof, of Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle.

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And if you will recall Director Cheatle, she was under

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a lot of fire in this hearing. Pretty much all

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the committee members were calling for her to resign. Well,

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in less than twenty four hours on the Tuesday morning

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following that committee hearing, Cheatle did just that. Here's that

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article that ran on News Nation. US Secret Service Director

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Kimberly Cheetah resigned Tuesday amid widespread outrage over her agency's

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failure to prevent the attempted assassination of former President Donald

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Trump at a Pennsylvania campaign rally. Cheetah's resignation, which was

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reported by NBC News, came a day after she was

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blasted by members of the House Committee at a hearing

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on the Secret Service actions leading up to Trump's rally.

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Cheatah rejected calls at that hearing to resign, saying she

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was the best qualified person ahead the Secret Service, which

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is responsible for protecting the Vice President, the President, their

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family members, and leading presidential candidates. The director angered members

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of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee by refusing to

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answer many questions about the Secret Services action surrounding the

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Trump rally, where Republican presidential nominee narrowly avoided being killed

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by a twenty year old gunman named Thomas Crooks. One

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man died in the shooting, while two others were critically injured.

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On Tuesday, in a letter Cheetah wrote two Secret Service staff,

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she said, in light of recent events, it is with

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a heavy heart that I've made the difficult decision to

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step down as your director. The Secret Services solemn mission

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is to protect our nation's leaders and financial infrastructure. On

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July thirteenth, we fell short on that mission. That from Cheadle,

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who served in the agency for nearly thirty years. The

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scrutiny over the last week has been intense and will

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continue to remain as our operational tempo increases, she wrote.

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As your director, I take full responsibility for the security lapse.

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Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorcus appointed Secret Service Deputy Director

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Ronald to service of the acting director for the agency

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until a permanent director is selected by President Joe Biden. Biden,

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in a statement, thanked Cheatle for her decades of public

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service and said as a leader, it takes honor, courage,

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and incredible integrity to take full responsibility for an organization

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task with one of the most challenging jobs in public service. Trump,

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in a social media post responding to Cheetle's resignation, wrote,

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the Biden Harris administration did not properly protect me, and

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I was forced to take a bullet for democracy. It

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was my great honor to do so. The criticism of

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Cheatle centers on the Secret Services failure to secure a

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roof that crooks used as a sniper post to shoot

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Trump and rally attendees, among other lapses. So there's that

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she is gone, and deservingly so in my opinion, and

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we can move on from her now. There's another update

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which I did not cover this original rumor in episode

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one because quite honestly, it was so absurd I didn't

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even want to acknowledge it. But there were so many

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what you would call never Trumpers that had been saying

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since this happened that Trump was not actually shot, that

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he was hit by like glass or something like. They

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hate this guy so much they won't even face what

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they have seen with their own two eyes. It's mind

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boggling to me, actually lying to themselves. A guy's dead,

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several others are wounded, and to me, you're spinning all

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over these folks faces due to your massive, absolute hatred

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for Trump. If you want to hate the guy, hate him,

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I don't care. I don't care who you vote for.

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I'm not going to tell you who to vote for.

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It's none of your business who I'm voting. But the

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bottom line is to say that this guy wasn't naturally shot.

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When it was on freaking video and you can see

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the bullet in mid air, you can see the displacement

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of air where they have pictures, it's crazy. You need

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to question you yourself a little bit on that. So

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this fact it wasn't lost on even the doctor that

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worked on Trump. He released his own statement, and this

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is a bipartisan doctor, and in his statement he goes

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into that a little bit, and we'll point it out,

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but I'm sure he's as disgusted by the false rumors

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as I am and many other people. So I'm going

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to read you this statement so we can put this

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bullshit to bed that he was not shot with a bullet. Okay,

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this is from Ronnie Jackson, who is the former physician

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to the President, and he says is the former physician

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to the president for President Donald Trump. I have continued

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to monitor his health and well being along with his

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primary care physician since the assassination attempting Butler, Pennsylvania on

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the evening of July thirteenth. That would be assassified multiple

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rounds from relatively close range using a high power rifle,

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with one bullet striking the former president and now the

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Republican nominee for president in his right ear. I have

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reviewed his medical records from Butler Memorial Hospital where he

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was initially evaluated for treatment of a gunshot wound to

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the right ear. Having served as an emergency medicine physician

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for over twenty years in the US Navy, including a

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combat physician on a battlefield in Iraq, I have treated

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many gunshot wounds based on my direct observation of the injury,

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my relative clinical background, my significant experience evaluating in treating

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patients with similar wounds. I completely could concur with the

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initial assessment and treatment provided by the doctors and nurses

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at Butler Memorial Hospital on the day of the shooting.

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During the congressional hearing two days ago, FBI Director Christopher

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Ray suggested it could be bullet, shripnel, or glass, and

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we're going to get on that subject in an upcoming episode.

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But I got to read this statement in full, so

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we're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit. But just

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bear with me. There's absolutely no evidence that this was

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anything other than a bullet. Congress should correct the record,

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as confirmed by both the hospital and myself. Director Ray

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is wrong and inappropriate to suggest anything else. As a

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former White House physician for fourteen years who served during

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three presidential administrations and served as the appointed physician for

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both Obama and President Trump, I fully understand the global

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significance of this attempt on the life of the former

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president and current Republican nominee for president. As such, I

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want to reassure the American people in the rest of

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the world that President Trump is doing extremely well. He

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is rapidly recovering from a gunshot. Willing to his right ear,

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and I will continue to be available to assist President

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Trump and his personal physician in any way they see fit,

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and will provide updates as necessary with the permission of

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President Trump. Signed Ronnie L. Jackson, former Physician of the President.

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So stop the bullshit. The dude was shot. There you

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have it, and I bet you that the never trumpers

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will still say it's bullshit. What a crazy world we

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are living in. So let's move on today two of

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this committee hearing, which more information came available, let's say,

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on this day than the first day, albeit the bar

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was pretty low. To play for you some clips of

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some of the exchanges and some I'm just going to

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break down for you and save you nearly the five

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hours of testimony, and we're going to cover some things

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we found out for the first time and some things

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that we got confirmation on regarding the investigation. I also

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want to mention that prior to these hearings that committee

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actually toured the site of the shooting in Butler to prepare.

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Testifying was Pennsylvania State Police Colonel Christopher Paris. And while

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this guy has absolutely been thrust into the spotlight, many

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people don't know his background. So I had his bio

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emailed to me, and here's a little bit about Christopher Paris.

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So.

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Colonel Christopher L. Paris is a native of Lackawanna County

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and he was nominated by Governor Shapiro to lead the

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Pennsylvania State Police. Colonel Paris enlisted in the Pennsylvania State

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Police in nineteen ninety nine, beginning his career as a

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trooper assigned to Troop K. As he progressed through the ranks,

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he served in Troop K, in the Bureau of Training

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and Education, Troop R, and most recently, he served as

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Commander Commissioner. Paris is a nineteen ninety eight magna cum

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laude graduate of the University of Scranton, a two thousand

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and four graduate of Temple University Law School, and a

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graduate of the two hundred and sixty seventh session of

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the FBI National Academy. He has passed the Pennsylvania and

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New Jersey Bar exams and is an active member of

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the Pennsylvania Bar. Colonel Paris exercises command, administrative and fiscal

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authority over the Pennsylvania State Police, which is the tenth

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largest police agency in the United States. That was interesting.

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I didn't know that serving a population of more than

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three point three million residents over a thirty six thousand

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square mile area. He ever sees a budget of more

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than one point five billion dollars and commands a statewide

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complement of approximately sixty five hundred enlisted in Savinean employees,

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which includes an authorized compliment of forty eight hundred and

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forty one state police troopers. So that's a little bit

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on him. Sounds like a qualified guy. Right now, We're

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going to get into some of the exchanges between him

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and the Congressional Committee, and one of those exchanges involved

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California Congressman Democrat Eric Swowell, And we were able to

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get a firm number regarding the number of shots taken

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at the rilly. If you'll remember last time we talked

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in episode one, the Secret Service director can give us

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that information. Well, he was able to give us that.

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So he was quoted as saying that crooks fired eight

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shots into the rally before he was neutralized by Secret

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Service agents. Now, Eric Swalwell asked him him directly that question,

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and he said, I believe the number is eight. Eight

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casings have been recovered. He further specified that law enforcement

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uncovered eight bullet casings right next to Krook's body, because

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you know some people are going to say, well where

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they all buy his body? The whole second shooter thing

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right now, as we told you previously, law enforcement officers,

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even though the Secret Service director would give us no information,

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officers prior to that only said it was multiple shots.

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They wouldn't give us a firm count. So finally we

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were able to get a firm count out of him. Now,

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another question on the mind of many really since day one,

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was in regard to the roof of the building where

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Crooks was shooting from and that sloop that supposedly kept

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officers from placing someone on that roof. Well, Congressoman Michael

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Guest was wondering the same thing. And here's what that

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exchange sounded like.

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Delton Nell Gaus, the vice chairman of the committee, stuessed

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for his five minutes, mister Guest for his five minutes.

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Thank you, mister chairman, and gentlemen, thank you for both

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being here today. You both classified as what happened on

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July thirteenth as critical failures.

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I would expand that and say it was a colossal failure.

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And I think you have both stated that the ultimate

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responsibility for what occurred that day falls upon the Secret Service.

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Colonel Paris, I know that your officers were there and

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a support role. You were following the operational plan set

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out by Secret Service. You testified that the primary responsibilities

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for your officers were motorcade and then the interior perimeter,

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and that you had two roving officers there really just

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out there to provide support if necessary and called upon.

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You mentioned earlier that you went to the scene on

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the thirteenth, and thank you for going there and being

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a part of that. And do you also testified earlier

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that you have not been provided the operational plan by

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the Secret Service?

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Is that correct?

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That's correct, we haven't received it yet.

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When did you request that.

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I'd have to go back and check in the earlier

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part of the investigation. That was just something that we

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asked for as a matter of course, we were not

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told no.

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We just to date have yet to receive it.

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And that would be important, but not if you're going

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to investigate what happened on that day. The operational plan

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that is the starting point for all the events that

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later transpired.

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Is that correct?

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Well, I don't want to overstate the role of the

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State Police here is to investigate the three Pennsylvanians that

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were shot and the use of force by the Secret

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Service counter sniper to the extent that we need to

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know the sequence events leading up to that, We obviously

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would like to know as much as we can, but

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it's not our role to do an after action report

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on the sequence.

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Well, but all the shootings occurred simultaneously, the same shot

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that struck press sident Trump shot. That one of those

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shots killed one of your fellow citizens, and two others

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were injured.

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And so you can't separate the two.

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This is one investigation into a shooting that occurred in

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which one of your citizens were killed, two more were

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fatally injured, in which the president himself was struck.

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And so the fact that the Secret Service.

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Is stonewalling your investigation, that they're not providing you this information.

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We saw the testimony yesterday from the Secret Service director

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where she refused to answer questions and has now resigned.

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I find that to be especially troubling. We have the

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Secret Service not wanting to cooperate with Congress, not wanting

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to cooperate with a fellow law enforcement agency, and I

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personally find that troubling as we look, and as you

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are aware from speaking to your.

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Officers that were there.

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Physically on the scene that day, did Secret Service did

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they have any drones in the air so that they

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could have an eye on this guy and see what

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was happening?

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To your knowledge, to my knowledge, I am not aware

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that they were using drums?

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And does and does your agency? Does your agency have drums?

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We we do maintain some drums.

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So a Secret Service would have requested your agency to

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fly drones that day, you would have been able to

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do so, is that correct?

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We would have endeavored to try to honor that request.

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Yes, sir, And you testify that you you've been to

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the scene of the shooting. Did you see the water

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tower that's located approximately one hundred yards from the building where.

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The shooter fired those shots? I did see it, sir.

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And would it have been possible to have put an

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officer And I'm again that's not your responsibility to do that,

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that's the Secret Services, But it would would have it

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been possible to put an officer there looking down on

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the scene of the rally and the building where the

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shooter occurred. Would that have been something that would have

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been possible to.

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Do, presuming that there's a way to access the water tower.

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I didn't walk over.

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I was probably several one hundred yards away, so I

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can't say that I could.

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And if you had an officer up there, that would

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have provided you a strategic viewpoint of the events that

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were transpiring below.

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Correct.

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I would agree tactic's height gives a tactical advantage, guess, sir.

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And then I want to ask you also about the

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roof where the shooter was located.

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You said you didn't go on the roof, but you

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viewed the roof. Is that correct, yes, sir.

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The Secret Secret Service director, prior to her resignation, said

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that she did not put anybody on the roof because

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it had a slope roof that would have created a

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safety concern. I was in Butler, Pennsylvania yesterday with many

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members of this committee. My fellow member Carlos Jimenez, who

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is seventy years old, and I guess he doesn't mind

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me saying that since he has.

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Put that information out there.

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There's video of him easily transversing the roof, walking across

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the roof, and even though he is some fifty years

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older than the shooter, and so my question.

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Is, do you agree with the assessment of the.

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Former Secret Service director that the roof was so slooped,

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so sloped that he created say the concerns.

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I can't agree with that. Stemenser, all right.

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Thank you very much. I'm out of time, and I

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youee back.

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So I just got to say I loved it when

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Congressman Guests referred to his colleague and mentioned that a

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seventy year old man stood on that roof just fine.

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Paris also mentioned in that exchange that he has been

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unable to get cooperation from the Secret Service. Why is that?

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Ask yourself that what are they trying to hide? They

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won't even cooperate with the state police in the state

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where this occurred. That's troublesome. And how about when he

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said there were no drones requested. I mean around here,

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even when a pet runs away from a home, people

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called drone companies to help with the search. And you

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heard him. Had the Secret Service requested drones, the state

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police would have honored that request. I mean, drones should

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have been automatic. If they would have had drunes flying,

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the whole thing's avoided. Right. He also mentions that water

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tower and the fact that no officer was on it.

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He will not be the only one to bring that up.

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More on that later in this podcast. Now, during the hearing,

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Paris also discussed the walk through prior to the event

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of that AGR building, which is the building that Crooks

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was on the roof of and firing for him, and

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specifically who was in charge of securing that building. And

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it's pretty interesting what he said. And here's what that

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sounded like.

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The final walkthrough occurred on the eleventh President At that

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meeting were the two commanders that were tasked with both

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most staffing the security checkpoints on the interior of the

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secure perimeter, as well as the commander who was going

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to be in charge of the motorcade. But in addition

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to that, a PSP area commander was on that walkthrough

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holding the rank of major.

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Could could you share a little bit of insight? I

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appreciate the timeline, but could you share a little bit

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X only.

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Have about a apologize.

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Yeah, the specific to the AGR building.

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So on that walk through, our area commander asked specifically

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who was responsible for the AGR building and we were

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told that Butler su was responsible for that area by

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several Secret Service agents on that walkthrough.

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All right, one last quick question, real quick. I mean,

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I'll let you comment about it. The slope of the

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roof without a preventive sniper from being.

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Up there, I don't believe so, sir.

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Okay, thank you. Now it's his testimony right there that

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the Butler Police were placed in charge of that building

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by the Secret Service. And not only did he say that,

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he also said something very concerning when that exchange was

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followed up with this exchange from Congressman Bishop this.

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Thank you, miss Chairman. Colonel Paris, are you aware whether

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any law enforcement officer or officers was or were posted

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in the second floor window of the AGR building.

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I am aware, yes, sir.

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And what is the answer.

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To my knowledge, there were two posted there from a

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Butler E s U.

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And you've said Butler ESU you' viewed?

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What is the first?

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What does the acronym e SU stand.

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For Emergency Services Unit?

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It's a It's a team that's comprised of multiple agencies

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that pool resources on a county or several county basis

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in order to enhance capabilities and training and be able

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to respond.

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Basically a mutual aid agreement. As my understanding is it

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sort of like a swat team. They are trained in

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swat tactics to my knowledge.

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So how many ESU officers were posted to that second

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floor window?

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So I am aware that two were in the building,

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But again I have not seen the Secret Service operations plan.

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Do you know?

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Well?

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You say in the building? Were they in a window

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where a window out onto the scene?

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From briefings that I have been given, I was told

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they were in a window yesterday?

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Did they remain on post?

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I was told that at a certain point they began

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searching along with other local officers.

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In the immediacy before after.

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Crooks had been identified as suspicious by them five m.

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My understanding is that they identified Crooks for not matriculating.

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He never, to my knowledge, Crooks never made it through

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the secure perimeter into the venue space itself. He was

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identified by those members as suspicious in part because of that,

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and then at some point he produced the rangefinder, which

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heightened that suspicion.

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So Representative Crane took a video on site yesterday. I'd

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like staff to put that up. It's just very short,

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as a few seconds. They can do that, if I

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understand correctly. This is from the second story window of

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the AGR building. You can see that window comes it

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comes out from the sash and swings out to the right.

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There's a there's an aerial photo right after Crooks was

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killed or Crooks's bodies on the roof and that window

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was open. Was it from this vantage point that those

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s U officers spotted Crooks?

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I don't know that particular window, but my understanding is

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from a second story window is where he was initially spotted.

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Okay, so are you then saying that, to your knowledge,

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those ESU officers left that the location where they could

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look out the window to go in.

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Search of this person.

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That is my understanding before so sometime before the time

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he was between the time he was spotted on the

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ground and identified as as someone suspicious until the shooting,

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they had left that post to go look for him.

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Is that what you're saying.

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My understanding is yes, along with other municipal officers that

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responded to that area. And that's based on interviews that

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we've conducted. And I want to be very clear that

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I don't want to establish a timeline minute by minute,

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because we don't have that yet.

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I think that's revelatory.

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I haven't heard that information I did here before that,

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and there's a local news station, well, there's a local

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news station report from July seventeen that says that local

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law enforcement were told they couldn't be responsible for securing

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the AGR building during the Trump rally. And of course

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you've testified a moment ago or earlier in this hearing

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that it was your understanding from that the meeting with

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the Secret Service on the site was that ESU was

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going to handle the AGR building.

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Which is it?

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Do you know my understanding is what my initial answer was, Okay, you.

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Also sponsor to mister McCall, you started to say something.

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You were saying that you did have integrated comms and

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you were saying you were deferring to the onoy going investigation,

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but you have an understanding of the sequence. And then

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he cut you off and went on to another question.

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Do you know what you were about to say?

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Do you remember that just.

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That we had members of PSP inside of the Secret

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Service command post and we were maintaining communication with our people.

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Had ESU maintained position in that window overlooking the roof,

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isn't it true that they would have had a clean

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shot at mister Crooks as he was ascending the roof

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to his shooting position.

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I'm not prepared to say that because I don't know

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the exact timeline of events.

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But it's your understanding, though, that they were no longer

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in that room where they had been previously overlooking the

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building at the time he was ascending the roof. Is

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that correct?

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Could you repeat that question?

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The ESU officers were no longer in that room where

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they could look out the window and oversee the roof,

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as that video shows, I.

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Believe they were actively searching, along with additional municipal officers

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for mister Crooks.

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Thank you, mis chairman, y'all, that's a huge deal. You

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never leave your post. The thought here is that had

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those two snipers not left their post, they may have

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seen Crooks scaling that roof or even walking on the roof,

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or heard him walking on the roof, and the whole

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thing could have been avoided. Rather than just stay and

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put in just radioing Crook's position, he says, they left

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to go look for Crooks. That's really bad. Now, before

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we move on, I want to make you aware of

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the shit storm that particular exchange created. The day after

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this testimony, the Butler County DA comes out, and he

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comes out in defense of those two snipers, those two

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local police snipers in that building, and he basically says

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Paris was full of shit. And the article read like this,

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the Butler County District Attorney is sticking up for two

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local snipers who were inside the building facing the roof

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where Thomas Matthew Crooks carried out the attempted assassination of

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former President Donald Trump. Butler County DA Richard Goldinger refuted

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some of the Pennsylvania State Police Colonel Christopher Paris testimony

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during Tuesday's congressional hearing on Capitol Hill. In a letter

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on Wednesday, Goldinger defended the two Butler County Emergency Service

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Unit snipers who were reported to have left their assigned

476
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building at the AGR Complex during the rally. In the letter,

477
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Golddinger said, to say these officers left their posts is

478
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a misstatement. I love how you put that. Not a lie,

479
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.400
it's a misstatement. They performed their duties to which they

480
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were assigned. Goldinger said only one of the snipers left

481
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the building. Briefly chased the shooter after he was spotted.

482
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When he could not find him, he returned to the

483
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building for clarification. Neither officer left their post, as was

484
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testified at the hearing on July thirteenth, Their post was

485
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the building. Golddinger wrote in the letter, Paris was told

486
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the two local snipers positioned at the second floor windows

487
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.079
overlooking the roof, took a photo of the shooter and

488
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.119
circulated it before leaving the area to look for him

489
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:32.000
on the ground, But the State Police they stand behind

490
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:38.079
that testimony. Pennsylvania State Police spokesman Adam Reid defended Paris's testimony, saying,

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our agency stands by yesterday's testimony. The investigation into the

492
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shooting and its aftermath continue. Golddinger also claims the snipers

493
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who were posted inside the building wouldn't have been able

494
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to see the shooter from where they were from that

495
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.279
those two local snipers were told to watch the crowd

496
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in the state. The contradictions come a Miidd had a

497
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.200
whistleblower claim that police were supposed to be on the

498
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roof but went inside because it was hot outside. Members

499
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.279
of Congress who toured the site in Butler Township said

500
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they were told he was the issue. Houston, we got

501
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:18.119
a problem. Somebody's lying either the State Police or the DA.

502
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:23.359
Both things can't be true, right. Well, the DA also

503
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.839
did a video interview with News Nation, and here's a

504
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:32.519
short clip where he says in his own words that

505
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.319
essentially Colonel Paris is lying.

506
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.480
The Pennsylvania State Police. Colonel he testified yesterday and said

507
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that they left, right, He's wrong. He's wrong about that.

508
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.640
He's wrong about that because he said that they when

509
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.640
they spotted him, that they left to go look for him,

510
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.119
and that's why the roof wasn't covered.

511
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:54.519
Now that's not true. They stayed where they were. They

512
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:58.240
could not see where he was located when he was

513
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.400
on the roof. Their vantage point was they would literally

514
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.119
had to have been leaning out the window looking over

515
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.960
to where he was located. But they were still where

516
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.759
they were supposed to be, and they just they couldn't

517
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.960
get They couldn't find him. He had walked around the

518
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.960
building and they had called it in, so they didn't

519
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.680
leave their posts. I don't know why he said that, but.

520
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.079
I mean, that was a pretty serious thing to say

521
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:22.759
to Congress.

522
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:23.599
Well, yeah it was.

523
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.039
And I'm not saying he wasn't tone. Maybe he was

524
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:28.920
told that, and that's what he believes happened, But that's

525
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.720
not what happened. They did not leave. They just couldn't

526
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.319
see where he was from where they were. The vantage

527
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:40.000
point did not permit them to see where he was

528
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:40.680
shooting from.

529
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.839
Now, as I said, you've got conflicting stories here from

530
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.279
these two guys, and that's an issue. Remember this, y'all.

531
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.839
The truth never changes. We just got to get to it.

532
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.640
So back to the hearing, and one of the biggest

533
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.839
surprises for me came in response to the time for

534
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.880
impair said transpire between when the officer confronted crooks on

535
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.680
that roof and when those first shots were fired. Here's

536
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:10.680
a clip, and then we're going to talk about it.

537
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.480
Do you know how long it was before between the

538
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.880
time that the photograph was relayed to the Secret Service

539
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.440
and the time when the officer was trying to hoist

540
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:24.640
himself onto the roof.

541
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:28.920
So that's a critical details, sandy question.

542
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.920
I would answer it from the reverse time period from

543
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.759
if the first shots rang out at eighteen eleven hours,

544
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:43.640
hoisting up of the officer occurred, probably no more. Again,

545
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:45.160
I'm going to give you it a time, but I

546
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.400
want to just put it in the understanding of sequence

547
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.079
of events. I would say at most two and a

548
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.079
half to three minutes before that first shot and when

549
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:55.960
they were notified in the interim.

550
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:57.519
It still remains undermas.

551
00:31:57.680 --> 00:31:58.359
Right, and when.

552
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:02.480
He he fell off of the we let go the

553
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:06.480
municipal officer, when the briefing that I had was the

554
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.680
municipal officer saw Crooks, Krooks saw him, and Crooks turned

555
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.839
and leveled the gun at him in a position tactically

556
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.640
of extreme disadvantage, suspended in the air with your legs

557
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:18.039
dangling after somebody.

558
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.640
Had boosted you up, and he let go, right, he

559
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.000
let go, and he fell back gun And was.

560
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.079
There at that point any communications that there's a shooter

561
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.599
on the roof from the municipal officers who were there.

562
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.200
That's all part of the after action.

563
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.079
We're just trying to get a sequence events up to

564
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.160
the point when Crooks then fired the weapons. So that's

565
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.640
been the focus of our investigation was.

566
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.839
But there was at least you said you thought two

567
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.759
and a half to three minutes between the time when

568
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.200
the officer the municipal officers tried to hoist on top

569
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:54.039
of the roof, Crooks pointed the gun at them, they dropped,

570
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.880
and then between that time and when he fired the shots.

571
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:01.680
I don't want to give you an exact period of time,

572
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.920
but it was minutes. It was a very short period

573
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:05.640
of time, even for his ability.

574
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:06.480
Not seconds.

575
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.559
I would say minutes, but I can't. I would be

576
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:11.079
remiss if I gave you. And I want to be

577
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.119
very clear on the record. When you do an investigation

578
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:18.599
like this, the timeline is critical. You're asking me, I

579
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.200
was briefed. I'm answering to the best of my ability

580
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:22.880
right now, and I know my time is up.

581
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:28.799
Later on, he apparently he realized his slip up and

582
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:32.240
he walked it back in that clip. I just played you,

583
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.839
he said, two and a half to three minutes from

584
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.200
Crook's discovery on that roof from an officer to when

585
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.279
those first shots rang out. Then he walks that back

586
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.799
later on, and I didn't play you that, but I'll

587
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.079
tell you about it. And he said he intended to

588
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.240
say Crooks was on the roof about three minutes, but

589
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:53.119
the shots were fired only seconds after Crooks was spotted

590
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:57.279
by the officer who Crooks pointed the gun at. This

591
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:03.160
is huge because had he stuck to that three minute timeframe,

592
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:07.799
it would have been undeniable proof of a government conspiracy.

593
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.639
Did he realize that and change his story to kind

594
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:18.119
of cover himself? Remember what I said, the truth never changes.

595
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:24.079
What do you think? So obviously, regardless of where you stand,

596
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.159
the massive communication breakdown is just startling. You got the

597
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:34.280
Secret Service, the Pennsylvania State Police, the Butler Police, and

598
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.960
nobody knows what the other is doing or what they're

599
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.639
supposed to be doing, or who's in charge of what.

600
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:45.599
Check out this exchange where that very subject of the

601
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.559
lack of communication is brought up.

602
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:57.400
Colnel paris typically these events they do they typically have

603
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.719
two control rooms or two sort of tactical operations areas

604
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.800
where the Secret Services in their sort of spot and

605
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:07.199
the local law enforcement is in there sort of command center.

606
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:09.960
Is that how it's typically done?

607
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.679
I would say, from my experience and from state police operations,

608
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:18.559
to include this event as planned in our operations plan.

609
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.440
We had integrated communications by having our PSP personnel in

610
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:23.760
the Secret Service command post.

611
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:27.920
So your person was in there in that command post

612
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.480
on this event. Yes, sir, do you know if the

613
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.719
local sheriff had anybody or the deputies that were also

614
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.679
provided the local guys?

615
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.280
I would be remiss at this point to say I

616
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.360
knew exact interesting of everyone in that command post.

617
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.280
The sheriff yesterday told us he did not.

618
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.400
Would you expect him to have had somebody there, So.

619
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.840
I would say generally, there's a lot of talk about

620
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.400
interoperability and communications. The State Police, for example, operate our

621
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.400
own statewide radio network, so we have the ability to

622
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.480
if we have an incident along protracted incident for example,

623
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.480
where we need to patch other agencies in, we have

624
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.119
the capability to do that. However, Secret Service, for example,

625
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:10.320
maintained some additional encrypted communications. So the best way to

626
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.559
integrate unified command is physically president in the commands. How

627
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.440
we are's how the army does it. I would expect

628
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.760
our commanders to have personnel in there so that we

629
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.360
could have a radio communication as well as a redundancy

630
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.880
in the operations plan with a telephonic backup.

631
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:28.920
Do you know if in this particular case, I mean

632
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:33.079
normally they sweep these sites with dogs. Was a canine

633
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.760
team used here for this event?

634
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.000
I do not know. I have not seen the Secret

635
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.559
Service operations plan. I've asked for it, I've yet to

636
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:42.480
receive it. I did double check that was something that

637
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.519
PSP could typically offer to the Secret Service if they

638
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.559
requested it, and I did verify that in this event,

639
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.559
it was we did not provide any dogs.

640
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.880
Okay, as I understand it, there wasn't one, but you'd

641
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.519
expect one in a situation like this.

642
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:02.119
So I want to be that when the Secret Service

643
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.079
interfaces with the state police for whatever protectee and level

644
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.440
of protection they're endeavoring to provide, the Secret Service is

645
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.800
the lead agency. So as per the earlier statement of

646
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.760
eighteen thousand law enforcement agency across the United States, it

647
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.639
would be very difficult, I would assert, for the Secret

648
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.400
Service operate all across the United States and have each

649
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:28.280
individual agency telling the Secret Service how the operation should

650
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:28.599
be run.

651
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:29.840
They're the lead agency.

652
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.679
If that was something that their protocols called for during

653
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:40.480
the initial meeting when preliminary steps and agencies were brought together,

654
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.239
that would be something that would be discussed.

655
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:51.480
Typically the AGR building. Did your guys on the ground there? Ever,

656
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.239
voice concerns the Secret Service for not putting somebody on

657
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:54.800
that building.

658
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.559
So I suppose the best sequence of events that I

659
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.719
can give you is that PSP was notified by email

660
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.000
on July fifth about this event. There was an initial

661
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:12.079
planning meeting where we had commanders present on Monday July eighth,

662
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:17.039
so over Tuesday the ninth and Wednesday the tenth. Those

663
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.440
commanders that we designated basically our orders are from the

664
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.119
Front office, my team on down. You know, we were

665
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.599
collaboratively with the Secret Service. Collaborate, give them what we can.

666
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.239
The final walkthrough occurred on the eleventh. President At that

667
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.320
meeting were the two commanders that were tasked with both

668
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:43.880
both staffing the security checkpoints on the interior of the

669
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.000
secure perimeter, as well as the commander who was going

670
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:48.840
to be in charge of the motorcade. But in addition

671
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:52.599
to that, a PSP area commander was on that walkthrough

672
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:54.000
holding the rank of major.

673
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.239
Could could you share a little bit of insight? I

674
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:59.199
appreciate the timeline, but could you share a little bit xactly?

675
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.800
Have about at Jason the specific to the AGR building.

676
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:08.280
So on that walkthrough, our area commander asked specifically who

677
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:11.079
was responsible for the ADR building and we were told

678
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.679
that Butler ESU was responsible for that area by several

679
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:17.599
Secret Service agents on that walkthrough.

680
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:23.000
So there you have it now. Marjorie Taylor Green, she

681
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.000
focused on the pictures that were circulating amongst police prior

682
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:30.800
to the shooting. Remember those police were taking pictures of

683
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.719
crooks with their cell phones, and the State Police colonel

684
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:39.679
he seemed really nervous when he was answering these In

685
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.199
my view, as a matter of fact, he starts invoking

686
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:48.480
legal issues when answering these questions. Here are those exchanges.

687
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:49.679
Thank you, mister Chairman.

688
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:50.679
Colonel Paris.

689
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:55.400
I'd like to carry the dialogue on about the specific timeline.

690
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.920
I have a timeline that was given to us on

691
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:02.760
the Oversight Committee yesterday when we question secret former Secret

692
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.239
Service Director Kimberly Cheedle as she has resigned today. But

693
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.119
the timeline that I'd like to talk to you about

694
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:14.920
is exactly what you were just discussing here. Eighteen minutes

695
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:18.920
before President Trump took the stage. It was at five

696
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:24.039
forty five that the Butler County Emergency Services noticed Thomas

697
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.079
Crooks on the roof, took.

698
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:27.360
A picture and reported it.

699
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.320
You stated just a few minutes before in your testimony

700
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.760
that the police or PSP were given a phone number

701
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:40.199
to the Secret Service, and that Butler County Emergency Services

702
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:42.599
texted or sent the picture.

703
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:44.039
Was that a text?

704
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.800
Was that a digital platform? Was it an email? How

705
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:48.760
did they send the picture?

706
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:51.400
So, just to be clear, at that period of time

707
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at eighteen forty five, I don't believe the testimony.

708
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:55.920
Was ive forty five pm.

709
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.199
Seventeen five forty five pm. Yes, ma'am, he was not

710
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:00.239
up on the roof at that point.

711
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.079
Is my no no emergency services notice Thomas Crooks on

712
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:06.800
the roof. This is the timeline that we have took

713
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.480
a picture and reported it. Who did they send that

714
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:10.119
picture to?

715
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.039
Just to be clear, they were posted in the AGR

716
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:16.679
building and took a picture of him, that's.

717
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:18.840
What you're yes, who did they send the picture to?

718
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.360
Well, I only know from interviews what I can confirm

719
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.320
to my knowledge and belief here today that are a

720
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.000
member of Pennsylvania State Police inside of the command post,

721
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.760
received that information telephonically and by text related to the

722
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.440
Secret Service, and then was given a number to follow

723
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:36.760
up on. And that was based again heightened suspicion.

724
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:38.800
How did they relay it to Secret Service?

725
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.079
I believe that they verbally turned and said in the

726
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.679
command post this is information that I just received, and

727
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.159
then and follow up to that as directed from the

728
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.239
interview that I was briefed on that was forwarded by

729
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.320
text as requested by the Secret Service.

730
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:57.039
Can you give us copies of that communication and that

731
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.719
phone number that was given to them was for Secret Service.

732
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.519
That's part of the ongoing investigation, and I would defer

733
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:04.519
to the legality.

734
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:06.280
Of can you find that information and provide it to

735
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:06.960
our committee.

736
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:11.159
I will look to see if legally, I will consult

737
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.360
the chief counsel within the State Police. But it is

738
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.440
an ongoing criminal investigation at this point.

739
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:20.679
Who So, after it was reported President Trump took the

740
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:25.639
stage at six three pm, all of this took place.

741
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.239
This was eighteen minutes before President Trump actually took the

742
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.719
stage at six three pm. President Trump was shot in

743
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:38.519
the face at six eleven pm. This has all been reported,

744
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.119
these timelines. Why is why do you not have a timeline.

745
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.280
Because it's not our The timeline is going to be

746
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.960
critical for the after action report. Obviously, we're conducting an

747
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.639
investigation with the FBI. We have been deferential to the

748
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.519
FBI in terms of what has been released to the media.

749
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.760
I was present for one press briefing on the night

750
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:06.320
of Saturday night, July thirteenth, and we've been deferential to

751
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.239
the FBI on that. So I would refer you to

752
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.400
the FBI the timelines that you're quoting. I just want

753
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.199
to be clear on the record, to my knowledge and belief,

754
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.440
I don't have a minute by minute timeline. I've had

755
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.880
multiple briefings about what these interviews have gleaned, but they're

756
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.960
from the perspective of PSP investigating the homicide and the

757
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.000
two attempt at homicides.

758
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.559
Thank you, colonel. During the event, at what point in

759
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.280
the day was someone from your team first made aware

760
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.440
that there was a potential suspicious person or possible threat.

761
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.519
So, based on my knowledge and belief, that information relayed

762
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.239
to the command posts from Butler ESU in terms of crooks,

763
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.119
was the first time that I'm aware of. Again, keeping

764
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.400
in mind, I've heard estimates that there were thirteen thousand

765
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:53.440
people there. There were multiple people identified as suspicious, several

766
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:55.119
that were identified in that area.

767
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:59.480
Yes, thank you. Now, you stated before in your questions

768
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.880
that you didn't you haven't seen an operation plan, but

769
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.639
didn't your team participate in Why haven't you seen the plan?

770
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.119
So I as my answer prior on the record, I've

771
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.159
asked for it, the State Polices asked for it, we

772
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.480
have yet to receive it. And my understanding is that

773
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.000
our walkthrough with our commanders and our area commander was

774
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.639
to delineate what our responsibilities were and we endeavored to

775
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.119
fulfill those responsibilities.

776
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.199
Who was the Secret Service agent in charge of the

777
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:28.840
Advanced Team.

778
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:30.719
I don't know the name of the agent.

779
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.559
How was PSP supposed to communicate with Secret Service on

780
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:38.599
the Advanced Team?

781
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.760
You mean leading in the planning leading up? So my

782
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.440
understanding is, as is typical, we're notified. We were notified

783
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:51.119
by email on July fifth. The meeting on July eighth, Monday,

784
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.039
was to get all of those partners together to exchange

785
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.840
information how they could communicate with one another, and then

786
00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:59.760
the planning took place from there.

787
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.400
Could you provide our committee a copy of all those communications,

788
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:06.679
Colonel pearis So, I will check.

789
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.320
With our legal counsel.

790
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:14.079
I in Pennsylvania has multiple state statutes to cover investigative

791
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.960
plans or law enforcement sensitive information.

792
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.400
And as you heard, he also did not want to

793
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:25.559
answer any questions as relates to the timeline that's concerning y'all,

794
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.320
especially considering the prior day feature of the Director of

795
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.760
the Secret Service refusing that same question, why is the

796
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:38.159
timeline so hard to discuss? Ask yourself that. So this

797
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:44.000
brings me to Congressman Eli Crane, who had maybe the

798
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:48.280
most insightful exchange of the day with Colonel Chris Paris.

799
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.440
And if you are unfamiliar with who Congressman Eli Crane is,

800
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:56.480
He's a Congressman from Arizona. And let me read you

801
00:45:56.599 --> 00:46:01.679
his buyo real quick. A week after the September eleventh attacks,

802
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.159
Representative Eli Crane left college during his senior year at

803
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:10.679
the University of Arizona to enlist in the United States Navy.

804
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:15.880
During his thirteen years in military service, he participated in

805
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:21.440
five wartime deployments, serving three of those deployments with Seal

806
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:26.840
Team Three. In twenty twelve, Representative Crane and his wife

807
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.719
Jen co founded a veteran owned and operated small business,

808
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.960
the Manufacturer's Bottle Openers Made from Shellcasings. A venture that

809
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:41.079
started in his garage, the business grew to employ dozens

810
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:46.119
and led to a successfully negotiated deal which was televised nationally.

811
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:50.480
They sold that company in twenty twenty two. Eli and

812
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.400
Jen live in Arizona with their two daughters, Mackenzie and Kennedy.

813
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.760
Navy Seal y'all and what's that mean? Well, other ven

814
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.840
sartified badass. It also means he knows what the fuck

815
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:10.079
he's talking about. When it comes to that committee touring

816
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.920
the site of the shooting, He's just gonna fly out

817
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.559
see things when he went on that site that only

818
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.800
people with his level of training would see. You gotta

819
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.360
hear this exchange.

820
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:25.360
All right, Colonel Paris.

821
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.519
Did you notice when you showed up on site what

822
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:30.119
the tallest structure on the site was.

823
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:33.800
I can't say at the moment that I arrived that

824
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:34.760
I did, no, sir.

825
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.360
Okay, Now that you've had a chance to go back

826
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:39.400
and look over at what is the tallest structure on

827
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:39.880
that site?

828
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:40.760
The water towers?

829
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:42.800
Absolutely, colonel.

830
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.320
Do you know how far the water tower was from

831
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.079
the roof where the shooter took his shots?

832
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:49.519
I do not one hundred and sixty yards, sir?

833
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.239
Who made the decision, colonel not to put a counter

834
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.239
sniper team on the tallest structure by far on the

835
00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.519
site with three hundred and sixty degree surveillance?

836
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:00.440
Do you have any idea?

837
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:01.320
I do not know, sir.

838
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.239
Okay, we'd like to get that answer.

839
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.880
Did you see the video that showed me sticking my

840
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:10.920
phone out the second story window? Did you see that, yes, sir, okay,

841
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.719
exposing the coverage of the window of the entire roof.

842
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.159
Are you aware that local law.

843
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.719
Enforcement Secret Service had full access to that building in

844
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:19.360
that room?

845
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:21.599
My understanding is that they did.

846
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:26.760
Yeah, Why weren't security teams, sir, on site able to

847
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.480
spot a twenty year old kid with zero camouflage crawling

848
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.159
up a white roof with an AR fifteen that several

849
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:39.199
rally goers were screaming and yelling and pointing out and

850
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.440
they noticed him. And they weren't even there to conduct security.

851
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:44.880
They were there to watch the president. Do you have

852
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.159
any idea why the security teams couldn't find that guy?

853
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.119
I do not. Would a gentleman you him for just

854
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:51.559
a second.

855
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.719
So just for clarification, it was the ESU guys that

856
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.840
were manning those buildings, yep. And they left because of

857
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:02.719
the call of the suspicious person, So they left their

858
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.000
post there to go look for him. They're the same

859
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.320
individuals who attempted to climb up the building and were

860
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.400
scared away by the shooter pointing gun.

861
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.840
Right, I really clean my time, thank you, okay. I'm

862
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:13.559
just wondering why.

863
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.599
I'm just wondering why they weren't able to find him

864
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.800
because even while they were looking, they could have still

865
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:18.360
looked out that.

866
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:19.599
Window that they had access to.

867
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:25.719
All Right, Colonel Paris's I'm just gonna say it, are

868
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.079
you a worser that many Americans believe this was very

869
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.039
likely not a lone shooter but a coordinated assassination attempt.

870
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.480
Have you been getting those messages from people like I have,

871
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:35.480
I have naser?

872
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:37.800
You haven't. Well, there's a lot of people in this

873
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:41.000
room that have been getting the same messages. What do

874
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:41.599
you think that is?

875
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.480
Why do you think that a lot of Americans are like,

876
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:46.639
this doesn't add up, This doesn't make sense, guys, how

877
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:47.159
could this?

878
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.119
Many things have gone wrong? Right, like the things I

879
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:50.559
pointed out.

880
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.320
A twenty year old kid one hundred and fifty got

881
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.400
one hundred and fifty yards of the President of the

882
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:57.920
United States with an Air fifteen, flew a drone to

883
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:03.280
conduct site surveillance, spotted with the rangefinder ranging targets, then

884
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:09.639
lost had advanced explosive devices on him. With no military training,

885
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.199
nobody was placed in the most obvious spot to conduct

886
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.320
counter sniper operations. I was a sniper in the sealed

887
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.840
team's colonel when as soon as I got out of

888
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.280
the suv and I saw that sniper that water tower.

889
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:22.719
I was like, that's exactly where I'd be.

890
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.679
Put me right there, so obvious after partisan attempts to

891
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.880
bankrupt him, imprison him for seven hundred and fifty years,

892
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.360
and countless depictions as a modern day hitler, are you

893
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:40.400
surpriseder that a lot of Americans are like, maybe there's.

894
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:41.199
More to this story.

895
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.880
I wouldn't begin to speculate about what the American people think, Sir, Colonel.

896
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.400
Did your team make entry and conduct investigation at the

897
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:49.280
suspects home.

898
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:52.159
Prior to the shooting?

899
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:55.840
Excuse me, sorry, I asked that question.

900
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.519
Did your team make entry and conduct any investigation at

901
00:50:58.519 --> 00:50:59.400
the suspects home?

902
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:06.519
I believe we had people that participated in that securing

903
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.760
of it. There were bomb assets that we provided.

904
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:11.320
Mister Chairman, Can I have thirty more seconds?

905
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.559
Yeah? Yeah, I'm letting everybody killing okay on the night of?

906
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:18.039
Since then, none, did you get any reports from any

907
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:20.360
of your agents of anything fishy at the home?

908
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:26.199
I was briefed on was there any silverware found in

909
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:27.519
the home or trash?

910
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:29.960
I have nothing in the briefing that I was given.

911
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.599
Sir, was it extremely clean, almost like a medical lab.

912
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:34.079
Were you giving any of those.

913
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:35.400
I was not giving any of those details.

914
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.440
Okay, that's what I'm hearing. Interesting.

915
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.000
The last thing I want to enter into the record,

916
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:46.360
mister chairman, this is article opinion from I believe the

917
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:51.880
Washington Post by Robert Kagan. A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable.

918
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.920
We should stop pretending this is.

919
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.719
This article compares Trump to Caesar and attempts to justify

920
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.320
the assassination of President Trump. And I think even though

921
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.440
we want to dodge around it and not make this partisan,

922
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:06.400
I think we all know that a lot of this

923
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:07.599
has to do with.

924
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.880
The rhetoric, the very violent rhetoric that is led up

925
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.639
to this. Thank you, I yield back.

926
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:18.199
So there's that water tower again. He's really focused on it, because, y'all,

927
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:23.880
this guy was a trained Navy seal sniper. He knows

928
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:28.000
how obvious that should have been, even for someone with

929
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:33.039
far less training. You always look for the highest point.

930
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:40.400
You want the high ground over your enemy. That's military tactics.

931
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.840
One oh one. And I thought those other questions were

932
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:48.960
also dead on and direct. And he asked the best

933
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.920
question of the day to me, And you may be

934
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.480
learning this for the first time, but it was in

935
00:52:56.559 --> 00:53:01.960
relation to the state of the Crooks family home. Now

936
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:10.440
you heard him. There was no trash, no silverware, and

937
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:18.719
it was so clean it looked like a medical lab. WTF.

938
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:26.800
That's all I can say. Now, I'm just scratching the

939
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:31.840
surface of what we are discovering. In the next episode,

940
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.280
I'm going to cover day three of this hearing, and

941
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.400
that was the first time we actually hear from the

942
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:43.760
agency investigating this case. The head of the FBI, Director

943
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.719
Christopher Ray, testifies. But I want you to hear this

944
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.760
last clip for today. This was released just a day

945
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:56.239
from this recording and was released by Senator Chuck Grassley.

946
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.559
It's from the helmet cam of one of those guys

947
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.679
in Fatis you saw guarding the Secret Services they were

948
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.119
laying on Trump after the shooting. In just minutes had

949
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:11.480
transpired from the attempted assassination. He has seen talking to

950
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.480
a Secret Service agent in a suit and the guy

951
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.800
looks like one of the men from Men in Black. Honestly,

952
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:21.159
on the top of that roof, you can even see

953
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:25.119
Crooks behind them. He's dead and he's pixelated out, but

954
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:28.760
you can see the body there and it really shows

955
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:35.119
the confusion immediately following this event. And I think you're

956
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.159
gonna find this interesting. Here's what that sounded like. So

957
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:38.719
we don't know.

958
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:41.760
So this is the guy that that are that?

959
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:46.679
Yes, this is him?

960
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:54.440
Okay, all right, all this so the back that we

961
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:55.519
don't know.

962
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.320
I don't treating that as suspicious device.

963
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:01.119
One second. I believe the viper that seeing me and

964
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.360
send the pictures is right inside his building. Michelle's Greg

965
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:05.519
in there, all right. So if you go to that

966
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:08.639
window that's open and yelp for Greg, that's the sniper

967
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.679
that set the original pictures and seeing him come from

968
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:12.960
the bike and set the back down and then lost

969
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:14.960
sight of them. Okay, he's the one that sent the

970
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:16.719
pictures on the same ones I did.

971
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:17.400
I think I did.

972
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.000
Yeah, he's like guy's glasses on and he's uh.

973
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.280
So we had the picture I got back the okay,

974
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:29.000
and then this was this is his bike with the

975
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.679
stuff and our sniper seeing him walking away from that,

976
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:34.280
I believe, but he would be right inside that window.

977
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.079
He's the one that physically seen this, sent the pictures

978
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:37.639
and called it out.

979
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:37.960
Okay.

980
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:45.760
So so and we have somebody detained, correct that our

981
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.519
guy that was just up here. Told me that there's

982
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:49.159
a guy detained. He's the owner of the bike, And

983
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:51.039
I said, don't know that that's the owner of the bike.

984
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:55.159
Yeah, basically we've been up here, so we wouldn't know

985
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:55.519
that if we.

986
00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:57.880
Got over.

987
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:06.639
Yeah a problem is that all your stuff? So someone

988
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:15.480
came up looking to treat him.

989
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:13.119
And gases off to the building.

990
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:19.440
Just so you know, Yeah, I was.

991
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:21.320
I talked to the guy they were because they were

992
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:22.199
detained with filming.

993
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:27.559
Maybe they weren't somebody other than that.

994
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:28.440
I haven't heard anybody, I.

995
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:30.159
Think, you know, it's not.

996
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.280
The guys that saw them filming were like, oh, they

997
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:36.880
were filming us and then filming the guy up on

998
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:39.800
the roof and then filming us, and then when the

999
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.960
shots started firing, they tried to run away.

1000
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:43.679
Like that's not what everybody would do.

1001
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:44.320
They have a problem.

1002
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.679
You know, I'm not saying they worked for, but you

1003
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:47.079
know what I.

1004
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.079
Mean, Like that was right.

1005
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:53.960
So I got no problem containing ten of those guys,

1006
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:55.920
find out what they know, who they are. Whatever I go,

1007
00:56:56.360 --> 00:57:02.559
I'm trying to get clear information. We have one shooter deceased.

1008
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:06.960
I think that's three victims in the crowd that did

1009
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.079
you guys hear that sad shirt. I heard one deceased,

1010
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:11.079
two white players.

1011
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:13.559
I know the two helicopters to take off.

1012
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:15.800
Yeah, okay, I don't know how many.

1013
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.960
I'm gonna let you think about that one until the

1014
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:38.039
next episode of Becoming forty seven. And thank you so

1015
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:43.119
much for listening to exposed scandalous files of the elite.

1016
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.840
I'm your host, Jim Chapman. Much love,