Bad Teachers: Pamela Rodgers Turner

0:00 Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of the Elite. I'm your host Jim Chapman, and today I am bringing you the full story of bad teacher Pamela Rogers Turner. This is a bit different than what I normally bring you because while these teachers may be known inside of their community, Pamela Rogers was different. She was very well known, especially if you were a fan of professional wrestling for a time. So let's get into it and i'll explain that now. Pamela was born in July one of nineteen seventy seven, so as of this recording this point in time, she's forty eight years old. She was much younger when all this went down. She attended Clark Range High School. This was in Tennessee, and she was part of the Clark Range basketball team, the Lady Buffalo's, and she gained some local success during her time on that team with her dad, who was the head coach of that team, and she was obviously very athletic, especially when you grow up with a dad who's a coach. Now, she was also very popular, so much so that for her senior year prom she was actually picked as the prime Queen. So she graduates in nineteen ninety five, and subsequently she attends Tennessee Technological University as well as Cumberland University,

1:30 and she played basketball for both of those colleges. Now, what is also interesting is also around that time, she was featured as Miss Nitro spring Break. Now, if you're not familiar WCW. Nitro was a major wrestling organization back in those days. It was owned by media mogul Ted Turner, and during those days it was huge. So to be selected as Miss Nitro was a big deal. Millions of people saw you on TV. She pranced out on a taping of Nitro. She had the rebin or whatever you call it, across her chest that said Miss Nitro. She was in a very scantily clad bikini and she was absolutely beautiful. Now a few years later, around two thousand and two, she also did some bikini modeling for various people, including advertisements for Harley Davidson. Also around that time, she married high school basketball coach Chris Turner. This was in two thousand and three, but the happiness of that marriage would not last very long, and they actually separated in two thousand and four due to difficulties in that marriage, and he actually filed for divorce in January of two thousand and five. Now there's a pretty shocking reason as to why, and that's what we're going to get into today.

2:53 So in between her marriage and her divorce, Pamela becomes a. Pe teacher at a school. In mcminville, Tennessee, and it was there that her troubles began when on February fourth of two thousand and five, she gets arrested and she's charged with having a sexual relationship with a thirteen year old student. The relationship allegedly began somewhere in early November of two thousand and four when the student who was attending Rogers' basketball class began flirting with Rogers and he was making very sexual suggestions. And it's important to mention this is a thirteen year old kid. Rogers at this time was in the midst of a estranged marriage. Obviously they were having problems. As of this time, they weren't divorced yet, but according to other people, she seemed to enjoy the attention that she was getting out of this thirteen year old. I can't relate.

3:53 Don't ask me why. It sounds absolutely crazy to me. So at some point they start talking via text, and the student's best friend was the one who kind of verified this. He said at one point, Rogers texted the student quote, I think you're cute, and according to this kid's best friend, he was excited about that, and he responds back to that text with I think you're hot. And from that point forward the relationship became sexual. Now the student, who at the time had a girlfriend who was the same age as him, thirteen, he gets into this relationship with Rogers and he actually breaks up with this thirteen year old girl to be with Rogers. Undoubtedly he didn't tell her that was the reason. And at some point shortly after the sexual relationship started, while the student's friend his bestie was visiting his school with another friend, they go see Rogers and Rogers actually reveals to the student's friend that she and the student did indeed have set while they were in the school gym. And I thought about this when I researched it, and it seemed to me there's a possibility, and I'm just speculating here.

5:10 I have no direct knowledge of this, but a possibility. Maybe she was trying to groom this best friend as well, because why would you. Tell him now. At the time of all of this going down, Pamela Rogers was twenty eight years old, that student was thirteen, and she had been employed at that school for two years. So later on, the student's best friend, who was nineteen at this point, so it was much later on, he would detail the relationship from his eyes, and he said that it was Pamela that was throwing herself at his friend. Quote, he was a virgin, he never had sex. She was into him more than he was into her. It was her who was pursuing him. He went on to say that Pamela and the teen had intercourse in oral sex more than a dozen times. He said the encounters took place not only inside the home that Turner rented after her husband kicked her out, but also at the teenager's house and many times at the school. He said his friend was hardly an unwilling participant, however, quote, he loved every minute of it. He was a little pimp. He discussed Turner admitting to him that she was having sex with that thirteen year old, saying, quote, we were in the gym, and she asked me, did and he said, his friend's name, tell you we had sex. I said yes, and she said, well, I'm just confirming we did. He said he was shocked, but didn't say any more to

6:41 Turner about the situation. He claimed that soon after, Turner began calling his friend five to six times a night, and he clarified that his friend would always tell him he was just having fun. Quote, he was in it for the sex. And incidentally, the thirteen year old's mother she also spoke out. She said the teachers stayed at their house a few times during this affair with her son. Pamela claimed her water heater was broken in her house and she was running nearby, and the mom said, quote, she was very charming and I had no reason not to trust her. But as in all student teacher relationships, eventually the word spreads like wildfire, and cops got an anonymous tip just three months into this relationship, and that's what led to Pamela's arrest. Now, some people were interviewed about the relationship that knew the student. The local news went out and this was big news locally, and they just are.

7:48 Talking to people. And one of the guys that knew the team was a guy by the name of Billy Metteley. He was the owner of a diner which was across the street from that school, and he said the teen was no ordinary thirteen year old. Quote, he was probably shaving in the seventh grade. He's about five nine, and he hangs out with an older crowd. You wouldn't think he was thirteen. And all I have to say to that is that doesn't make a hill of fucking beans to me. He was still thirteen. She knew he was thirteen. I don't care if he looked thirty, but there's a point to me reading you that. And that is the double standard.

8:28 Flip that on the other side, if it was a girl that was thirteen that looked like she was thirty and a guy teacher who was twenty eight was caught having sex with them many times, what do you think the reaction would be. You think people would say, well, she looked much older. Of course, not the boy's mom. After all this went down, she ended up pulling him out of school and said he'll only go back when and if he's ready. So Turner gets arrested and she makes her fifty thousand dollars. Mind now, following her rest, she's charged with a total of twenty eight criminal charges, including fifteen counts of sexual battery and thirteen counts of statutory rape. Police said the incidents took place at his home, at her apartment, and even at the school's gym on more than twelve different occasions. They were having sex in the freaking gym of the school.

9:28 Now, I don't know. What the situation was in that school, but I can remember when I was in high school and when I was in the gym, anybody could walk in at any time. Just crazy. So it didn't take long for Pamela Rogers Turner as she was named at this time, to realize the mountain of evidence that police had here, and in August of two thousand and five, just six months after her rest, she takes a plea deal and she pleads no contest to own only four counts out of the twenty eight counts she was charged with. Now a no contest plea means Pamela was able to avoid admitting guilt and the other twenty four charges totally dismissed.

10:21 Jim, did you see what happened in Texas today? Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you what happened in New York. It cannot be as crazy as the case I told you about yesterday in Louisiana. You know what, we should do a podcast. About it, and with that we did. Crime War Weekly covers the crime news headlines that have dominated the week. We cover trending crimes from all over the country and even sprinkle in a few globally. Crime War Weekly is available now wherever you listen to your podcasts, simply by searching crime wiar Weekly or clicking the link in the description of this podcast. So this chick essentially got away with this almost scott free. She did everything you could do sexually with this kid, many multiples of times. And he's thirteen years old, y'all. She only had to serve nine months in jail, followed by a seven year probationary period, and her terms of her probation includes surrendering her teaching certificate and registering as a sex offender for life, because sexual battery by an authority figure is considered a violent sexual offense under the state law of Tennessee.

11:39 Now. The sentence also prohibited her from profiting from the case through books and movies, and barred her from granting interviews for a period of eight year So let me tell you how sick this chick is. She serves her time in jail and you would think she was getting her life together. However, Rogers was arrested yet again on April twenty fourth of two thousand and six, on the grounds that she had sent text messages, new photos, and sex videos of herself to the same point while using her father's cell phone. She was also charged for communicating with the boy via blogs and a website, and the judge ordered Rogers this time to remain in jail until her next court here and on July fourteenth of two thousand and six, guess what she gets sentenced to seven years in prison for violating her probation by sending out those explicit videos and also maintaining contact with that victimia online blogs.

12:47 Rogers, of course asked for mercy. She apologized to. Her family and the teens family. She even conjured up some tears and tearfully told the judge quote, I have humiliated myself. What I did was wrong. I'm willing to do anything to rehabilitate myself, and she asked for local incarceration with therapy. So the circuit court judge whose name was bart Stanley. He denies her request and he set back to her quote, you have done everything except show this court that you wanted to rehabilitate yourself. He revoked probation and he ordered her to start serving that sentence. So that has to be the end of this, right, Well not if you're Pamela while still in jail, Still in jail, serving out that seven years. Guess what, she is caught yet again sending the same freaking boy nude photos and the boy was reciprocating this, sending nud photos and videos.

13:48 Back to her. Now, at this point in time, that boy was only fifteen years old. So it's back to court for. Pamela when she's caught doing this, and this time the defense even had a clinical psychologists testify. That psychologist said that Pamela was a sex addict, but the judge didn't give a shit. He summarily sentence Turner to an additional two years in jail, making her total time as of this point ten years in jail. But you know how this shit goes, She's not going to serve all that prison time. And on November twenty seventh of twenty twelve, after only serving six years in prison, she's released. So after this happens, you're probably thinking that's it.

14:37 No more jail time for this lady. She's going on the straight and narrow, right. Hell No, Let's go to. June fourth of twenty fifteen when Pamela Rogers, which by this time no turner at the end of that name because she's divorced, she gets arrested yet again. And what do you think that is? Well, a contraband investigation that the Tennessee Department of Corrections led to this arrest. The investigation showed that she was involved in a scheme to smuggle cell phones into prison. Now this was the same prison, in fact, that she served time in several times initially.

15:19 So it was back to prison again for Pamela Rogers, and this time she was sentenced to eight years in prison. And I believe she was released in twenty twenty four. I've tried to find some kind of confirmation of that, been pretty hard to get, but it looks it appears as though she's been in release. So time will tell if Pamela ends up back in prison at some point, but I would say there's probably a better than average shot, judging by her past and in a good example of the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. In July twenty seventeen, her brother Alvin Rogers was arrested on a rape charge involving a juvenile. Unfucking believable. And as I was researching all this, I came across an article that I want to read to you real fast because it did a really good job of explaining why I do these bad teachers series, And it pretty much nailed the bias here. And this was written on April seventeenth of two thousand and six, and it says teacher plea deal built on sex bias. The district attorney who reached a police settlement with ex teacher Pamela Rogers for having sex with a thirteen year old student says one reason he didn't want to try the case was that some men on the jury would not convict an attractive woman for

16:49 having sex with a teenage boy. District Attorney General Dal Potter said he was concerned that some male jurors might not convict Rogers, a former Warren County Grade school teacher, because they wouldn't view what the attractive twenty eight year old woman did as having harmed the boy quote. The fact that I could not get a jury of all women played a heavy factor in my decision not to go to trial. Obviously, a defense attorney would not allow a prosecutor to have all women on a jury. Potter goes on to say, there's a segment of men that would say the victim wasn't harmed but instead got lucky. You can have a horrible case, but if it appeals to that jury, it can be difficult. The societal double standard and the fact that the family of the boy preferred not to go through a trial where the two main factors in his decision to settle the case. Potter said.

17:43 Rogers pleaded no contest in August to four counts of sexual battery by an authority. Figure served about six months in county jail and was released early for good behavior in February. Now less than two months after her release, Rogers finds herself back in trouble on allegations of violating the terms of her probation, and Potter is facing another round of second guessing for not taking Rogers to trial. He said he remains convinced the decision was the right one. The double standard on such sex offense cases exists nationally for a number of reasons that from David Rabin, a defense attorney and former prosecutor, male victims tend to be more embarrassed about coming forward and testifying in such cases. Also, some jurors would consider an adult male having an affair with a girl as much more harmful to a woman than a woman having sex with a boy. Absolutely, there's a significant disparity of treatment in the way the criminal justice system handles these things. Rayburn said. Unfortunately, there's a double standard because there is a double standard in society.

18:54 The district Attorney, Potter said another factor, although a lesser one, in his decision to avoid trial last year, was what he said would have been immedia's circus that could have also affected the outcome of the trial. The case has drawn national attention, with photos of the attractive blonde ex teacher broadcast on TV and posted on internet websites. Under the plea agreement, Rogers was allowed to avoid prison and instead served nine months in the Warren County Jail with the remainder of the eight year sentence as probation. But a probation came with a number of conditions, including not using the internet, without permission and not having contact with the boy of his family.

19:36 Violating those rules. Could send her to prison to serve out or senate. Rogers was arrested last Tuesday on seven counts of probation violations, all of them centered around her use of the Internet. She is accused of setting up a personal web page and using it to post messages to the boys. She also had an internet communication with the boy's teenage sister, Authority say and authorities are investigating so whether Rogers tried to make contact that would have violated her probation by other means, perhaps by telephone. Potter would not say whom the contact may have been with, but said he's not surprised Rogers is in trouble again. Quote, we were taking a chance she would mess up. Every time you put someone on probation, you do it with the idea there's a good chance they will. Potter said he sought the maximum probation period last year and will ask a judge at a July hearing to have Rogers serve out or sentence in state prisent. Rogers' attorney said last week he's very concerned about the charges against his client. Quote, the state has a much lower burden of prove to establish a probation violation. The consequences for a probation violation could be grave. He added, it was much too early to comment about specific charges.

20:52 So there you have that. That was written in two. Thousand and six by Nashville TN Law dot com. And y'all, that is a double standard that still exists today, which is exactly why I do this series. All right, quickly, some information that was kind of breaking on Seawn Conbes in the last week or so. Number one, his sentencing has been set. It is October third, twenty twenty five, so of course I will bring you the update on that, and also wanted to reference this is a pretty crazy article. It's very short, but I wanted to reference it for you.

21:33 I found it interesting. It headlined did he receives standing ovation from fellow inmates after jury found rapper not guilty on rico charges. Seawan Combes reportedly received a standing ovation from his fellow inmates after being acquitted on the most serious charges brought against him ten months ago. After hearing seven weeks of testimony from prosecution witnesses. Did He's jury returned three not guilty verdicts? The group of twelve originally announced they were deadlocked on racketeering conspiracy charges, but later chose to acquit the rapper. Did He return to a standing ovation at md C Brooklyn after the verdicts were read.

22:16 According to his defense lawyer Mark agnafillo I said quote, maybe it's your fate in life to be the guy who wins. He added, they need to see someone that can win. I think he took that to heart. The jury found did he not guilty of racketeering conspiracy in sex trafficking On July second, he was found guilty on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution and could be sentenced to twenty years in prison. Don't bet on that, as each count carries a ten year maximum. Hours after the verdict we read in court, the judge denied Ditty's request for bail. The federal judge pointed to Ditty's violence, including the hotel attack on his ex girlfriend Cassie, as reasoning for his decision to keep the rapper behind bars.

23:03 He will remain behind bars until a sentencing hearing, which is proposed to be held on October third. The prosecution suggested four to five years for Combe's sentence. According to Ditty's defense lawyer, did he will re enter a program for domestic batterers. I bet after he is freed. He had began the program shortly before his arrest in September twenty twenty four. I personally believe that was because of optics and Agnaphilla also assured the AP in all of you that he's doing okay. Quote he burns hot in all matters. I think what he has come to see is that he has these flaws and there's no amount of fame and no amount of fortune that can erase them.

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