Jan. 8, 2025
"Bad Teachers" Episode Five: Hailey Clifton-Carmack
“Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite” host Jim Chapman is back with this fifth episode in the “Bad Teachers” series. Today he is examining the alarming case of Hailey Clifton-Carmack, a Missouri teacher, who’s alleged indiscretions were even known...
“Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite” host Jim Chapman is back with this fifth episode in the “Bad Teachers” series. Today he is examining the alarming case of Hailey Clifton-Carmack, a Missouri teacher, who’s alleged indiscretions were even known to the 16 year old teen’s father. Hailey, who briefly fled to Texas upon the allegations becoming eventually had to answer for her crimes, but did the sentence fit the offense?
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Chapters:
02:18 The Case of Haley Clifton Carmack
09:11 Grooming and Inappropriate Behavior
10:47 The Investigation Begins
16:25 Arrest and Extradition
19:56 Plea Deal Controversy
22:53 Public Perception and Discussion
28:19 Consistent Laws
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Hey one, and welcome back to another edition of Exposed
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Scandalous Files of the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman,
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and we are back with this fifth installment of our
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Bad Teachers series. And let me tell you, with all
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of the Bad Teacher stories that I've told you so far,
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this one has to rank as one of the wildest
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stories yet. So we're gonna jump right into it, and
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I'm gonna take you to Waynesville, Missouri for this one
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and Lackey High School and give you a little background
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on a math teacher by the name of Haley Clifton Carmack. Now,
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Haley was twenty six years old at the time of
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the charges that I'm about to tell you about took place.
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This was in December of twenty twenty three. She was
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very nearly divorced, having filed in August of twenty twenty three,
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with that divorce being finalized just a month later, which
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I didn't even know that was possible to get a
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divorce finalized that quick, especially with kids involved. They have
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two daughters. But they must move fast in Missouri, because
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it was like a month after she filed that the
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divorce was final I guess nobody contested. But here in Louisiana,
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you got a wait a year no matter what. Now,
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her husband incidentally is an MMA fighter in the state
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of Missouri, or her ex husband now. And Haley came
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from a pretty large family. She had six other siblings,
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and she was pretty well liked in Pulaski County, Missouri,
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a very popular, pretty brunette. And although she was newly
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divorced in December of twenty twenty three, everything seemed to
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be moving along well for Haley. And on the outside
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it appeared that she was very happy and she was
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moving on. But that would change real quick. So a
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confidential witness who was also the sixteen year old victim's
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friend in this case, goes to the SRO at that
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school and that student resource officer for those of you
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that aren't familiar at Lackey High School, and that confidential
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witness reports that the sixteen year old victim is having
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sex on a regular basis with Haley Clifton Carmack. Now,
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this was in December of twenty twenty three, as a
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matter of fact, December seventh. The SRO then contacts a
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to ten for the Pulaski County Sheriff's office to investigate.
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Said detective goes to the school to interview this witness,
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and he asked how this witness could even know this
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was going on, and the witness responded by telling the
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detective that Carmack in the sixteen year old had sex
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in Carmack's vehicle in the driveway of the witness's house,
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and even further, the witness said, there's no doubt it
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happened because the victim shortly thereafter texted pictures to the
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confidential witness of his back where Haley Clifton Carmack allegedly
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dug her nails into his back. As in the victim's words,
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she orgasmed so. The witness then said later on that
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same day, they overheard Hailey Clifton carmac on the phone
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with the victim saying I can send you money, baby,
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not sure what the money was in reference to. And quickly,
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if you're curious as to what the age of consent
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is in Missouri, because it varies from state to state,
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which I think is part of the problem personally, well,
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thirteen and younger, you cannot consent to sex with anyone
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in the state of Missouri. Fourteen fifteen and sixteen year
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olds cannot consent to sex with someone who is more
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than four years older, or who is twenty one and older.
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Seventeen and older can consent to sex with anyone fourteen
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or older. So in this case, even had Haley not
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been his teacher, he still could not have legally consented
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to sex with her. She was twenty six, he was sixteen.
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She could be no older than twenty years old for
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that consent, even if she wasn't a teacher. And why
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I make none of that is in some states, someone
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may be the age of consent. Maybe they're eighteen years
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old in their seniors in high school and they have
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sex with a teacher, Well they're eighteen. But some states,
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if you are in what's considered a trusted position, like
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a teacher, you still can't consent. So keep that in mind.
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So as detectives are interviewing this confidential witness, one of
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the things they ask is what is Haley's reputation among
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the students in the school. Do people know this is
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going on? You know, what's the deal? And it's pretty
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shocking what the witness said. The witness stated that Hailey
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is very friendly with the students too friendly, according to
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that witness, and that Haley Clifton Carmack would often dress inappropriately.
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When the detective asked the witness to describe what inappropriate
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was to them, the witness stated quote that she would
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wear tight or low cut shirts that would show off
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her headlights, ean nipples, and very tight leggings that she
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would intentionally position so she could live up to her
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nickname among the students. And when the detective asked what
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that nickname was get ready for this, the witness replied,
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cammeltoo teacher, no shit. The detective then asked the witness
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to elaborate on what they meant when they described Haley
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as too friendly, and the witness said that Carmack would
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openly discuss her personal life with the students and even
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went as far as to mention to the students that
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she had gotten in trouble with the school administration because
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she was so open with the students. And incidentally, when
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the detectives spoke to the school administration about this and
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asked them if they had ever had conversations with Carmak,
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they confirmed it. They confirmed they did in fact talk
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to her about both the way she dressed, and her
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apparent closeness with students, and how she was having inappropriate
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conversation like what I just described. They went on to
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say that the only people privy to that conversation were
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the principal, the superintendent, and Haley Carmack herself. So obviously
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that proved to the detective that she had to be
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having these conversations with the students. Otherwise how would that
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witness know that she in fact did get called to
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the carpet, so to speak, for her closeness with the students,
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Which that's an issue for the school now in my opinion,
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and I would imagine a lawsuit is coming at some
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point if one has not already come regarding that, because
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if they had to call her in for these issues
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and then something like this happened, they're complicit in that
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in some respect. So the witness also stated that the
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victim told the witness that Carmack had got a divorce
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because all her husband wanted to do was quote but
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stuff unquote with her. Now, before we go any further,
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what is Haley Clifton Carmack doing here? Do you think
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by having those conversations with particular students, dressing where she
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could show off her crotch and all that it is
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classic grooming. She is testing these students here. She wants
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to see who talks and who doesn't talk, who seems
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shocked by that, and who seems like they're playing into it.
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She's wanting to see how certain students respond to it
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because it will allow her to see how far she
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can take it. So on December eighth of twenty twenty three,
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the detective goes back to Lackey High School this is
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the next day, to speak with Haley Clifton Carmack and
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get her side of the story, and she not surprisingly
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denies everything, basically says the waitness is full of shit.
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The detective asked her if she would surrender her phone
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so they can analyze it, and she willingly does that.
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She appeared very calm, and the detective even noted in
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his report that quote she did and have the normal
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behavior of someone facing allegations like this. Basically, in my opinion,
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he's saying, she was almost too calm. I mean, think
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about it, folks, if that were you and a detective
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calls you into an office and you're completely innocent and
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they ask you if you've been fucking a student, you
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would probably lose your mind right, freak out. This girl
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is as calm as a cucumber, according to the affidavit.
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So a few days later, on December thirteenth of twenty
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twenty three, that detective gets the proper search warrant sign
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so he could review the text and all that in
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her phone and the calls, et cetera, and he phones
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Carmack to get that pass code. But there's a problem. Haley,
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in the meantime has lawyered up, and she tells the
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officer that, upon her attorney's advice, she's not going to
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supply her pass code. So the detective he sends the
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phone off to the FBI or whatever experts they have
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that are good at unlocking locked phones, and on December
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twenty second, he gets that phone back, along with a
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PDF filed download of all the texts she had attempted
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to delete. But remember this, they are never fully deleted, folks,
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and those texts left no doubt that Haley and this
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student were one hundred percent for sure having sex. There
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were also photos sent to that sixteen year old that
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the detective described showed Hailey Clifton Carmac nearly nude, so
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while the detective is making plans to get everything together
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and to go arrest Hailey. On December twenty third of
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twenty twenty three, he gets a call from another confidential
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witness we'll call them confidential Witness number two, and that
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witness says, Hey, if you're going to go arrest Haley Carmack,
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you better do it fast. She is leaving town to
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go visit family for Christmas and is going to stop
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by this sixteen year old student's house before heading out
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of town. So police they make plans to head that
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way see if they can head her off, but they're
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too late, and she manages to get out of town.
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They just never see anyone at this student's house as
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they're surveilling it, and they can't find her anymore. So
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here's where it gets really bizarre. On January third of
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twenty twenty four, the detective interviews that confidential witness number
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two at the station and according to the AFFI David,
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and I'm gonna quote here. On January third of twenty
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twenty four, I met with confidential Witness number two in
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a recorded interview room. The following is a sybnosis of
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the interview confidential Witness number two advised me she had
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been over to the confidential victim's residence and had spoken
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with his father. According to confidential Witness number two, the
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confidential victim's father knew of the sexual relationship between Haley
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and the victim. Let me say that again. The father
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knew of the sexual relationship between Haley and the victim,
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as both had told him of their sexual relationship. The
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victim's father relayed to confidential Witness number two that Haley
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and the victim have been in a sexual relationship and
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have used students as lookouts while they had sex during
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school in the teacher's classroom, and that Haley had in
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fact been over to the residents before she left Missouri
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to go to Texas. When confidential Witness number two advised
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the father that they were going to come forward with
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the information to the police, he responded by telling her
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that they are going to do it behind my back anyway,
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so I may as well let it happen. There's some
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common fucking sense for you, right, that's you know. You
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hear people say sometimes when their kids are and I'm
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not saying I condone this, but maybe they've got seventeen
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year old kids, and they let them have a beer
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or something like that when they have friends over. And
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the parents' excuse me for that is, if they're gonna
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drink anyway, I'd rather they just drink here. And I'm
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not judging one way or the other. I personally didn't
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choose to do that with my kids, but you know,
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you do you and what you think is writing your parenting.
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That being said, it's totally different than letting a teacher
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fuck a student because quote unquote, they're gonna do it anyway.
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The second he found out about that, the father should
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have turned her in. But we'll get back to that.
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Confidential Witness number two also said the father advised that
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he would lie for his son if he had to.
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After reading this information, I went out and spoke to
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the father, who did acknowledge that Haley had been over
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to their residence before leaving to go to Texas. Yep,
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you heard that right. The father was completely aware all
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this was taking place, and she indeed did go over
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there before leaving to go visit family Texas. So an
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interesting turn of events, the father gets arrested and charged
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with child neglect for allowing this to go on and
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not reporting it, and in the meantime police they're searching
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for Carmack. She still ain't back in Missouri. As a
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matter of fact, she's in Texas, and in short order,
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just a couple of days after they spoke to the
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victim's father, as a matter of fact, on January fifth,
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Texas police arrest Carmack in garden Ridge, Texas, and she
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is quickly extradited back to Missouri, where she is charged
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with endangering the welfare of a child, statutory rape, second
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degree sexual contact with a student, and child molestation in
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the fourth degree, some pretty serious charges. And it's interesting
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to note that Hailey Carmack never had plans on returning
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to Missouri. As a matter of fact, she had completely
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completely moved out of her apartment and was going to
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remain in Texas, which right there gives you a clear
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cut sign of her guilt. She was basically on the run.
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So Hailey Clifton Carmack, she bonds out of jail and
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she gets remanded to house arrest, complete with that ankle monitor,
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pending her trial after she pleaded not guilty at her arrayment.
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And that's typical any arrayment in the history of arrangments.
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People are going to play not guilty. They have nothing
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to lose. You go and there you play guilty. Your
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sentenced right away. So take that with a grain of salt.
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But that's what she pleaded to. Now, before I tell
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you the rest of the case, let's talk about what
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evidence the DA had against Haley Clifton Carmack. You got
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two witnesses. You have the text message evidence, including pictures
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that Carmack was sending to this sixteen year old. You
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have the father who admitted to being aware of the relationship.
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