Aug. 4, 2025

Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 2

Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 2
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Season 1

In this episode of the “Bad Boys” series, host Jim Chapman brings you part 2 of his look inside the tragic story of Aaron Hernandez who’s fall from NFL star of the New England Patriots to murderer shocked the world of pro football.

Timestamps:
02:48 Shay Jenkins' Key Testimony
06:36 Sister of Odin Lloyd Takes the Stand
09:57 Emotional Testimony from the Fire Captain
12:14 Ballistics Evidence Uncovered
20:10 Tanya Singleton's Loyalty
22:20 The Double Murder Case
22:49 Alexander Bradley's Testimony Begins
33:02 Relationship Dynamics with Aaron Hernandez
39:48 Tensions at the Nightclubs
45:43 The Incident at Club Cure
1:19:45 The Shift to Caprice
1:46:04 A Night of Tension

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I'm given cal n oh no, not any.

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Hey one, and welcome back to exposed scandalous files of

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the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and today I

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am continuing with the second episode in the bad Boy

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series on Aaron Hernandez. Now, if you did not listen

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yet to the first episode, go back and listen. I

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dropped that one last week, and I also dropped an

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episode featuring Aaron's jailhouse phone calls, So go check those

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out if you have not yet done so. Now, the

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last time that I left you, it was June twenty

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ninth of twenty fifteen. In the trial for the murder

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of Odin Lloyd began. The prosecution started calling witnesses after

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opening statements were completed, in the first of which was

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Aaron hernandez fiance, Miss Shanna Jenkins. So it's important to

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mention that her testimony came conveniently with a guaranteed immunity

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of any prosecution in a role in Odin Lloyd's murder

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in Folt, she did play a pretty significant role. However,

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this immunity agreement did come with the stipulation that she

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could not plead the fifth She had to answer all

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the questions so key parts of her testimony. Let's talk

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about that now. She was questioned regarding her actions on

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June eighteenth of twenty thirteen, which was the day after

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Lloyd's body was discovered. She admitted to driving to a

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Rhode Island McDonald's parking garage. This was in the middle

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of the night to deliver five hundred dollars to Bo Wallace.

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Bo Wallace was a friend of Aaron Hernandez and one

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of the four people allegedly in the car the night

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Lloyd was killed. Now, the prosecution was suggesting this was

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some form of a payoff to keep Wallace's mouth shut.

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But I mean, five hundred dollars seems a little light

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for a murder payoff, especially to someone of Aaron Hernandez means.

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But there you have it. Another significant aspect of Jenkins's

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testimony was her admission that she removed a box from

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the basement of the home that she shared with Aaron

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Hernandez shortly after Lloyd's murder. So surveillance footage presented during

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the trial showed Jenkins carrying out a large trash bag,

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and this large trash bag contained what appeared to be

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a large box. You could just see the shape of

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something that looked like a large box in this trash bag.

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She took the bag placed it in the trunk of

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her sister's car, which she used to leave that home.

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So when the prosecution asked her about that, she said

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Aaron had instructed her to remove the box and dispose

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of it, and that he emphasized it was important. She

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then claimed she had no idea what was inside that box,

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and she said, I didn't ask Aaron. This kind of

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did what she was told. She said she placed the

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box inside the trash bag, covered it with baby clothes,

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and threw it in a random dumpster. And when they

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asked her, well, where's that dumpster, she said she could

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not recall where the dumpster was. So the prosecution's contention

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was that this box contained the murder weapon in the

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Odin Lloyd case, a glock forty five caliber pistol. Now,

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her credibility was called into question many times during her testimony,

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and she seemed very hesitant to answer questions, very cautious.

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Many times she would assert that she could not recall

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key aspects of her role in all of this key

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stuff that would be really hard to forget, Like, how

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the hell can you forget what dumpster you threw a

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box in where Aaron her name has told you. Essentially,

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it's none of your business. Just thrown away, don't ask

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me about it. I mean, would you really not ask

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questions when someone tells you to throw a box away

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and that it was very important in their jail at

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the time for possibly murdering somebody, ask yourself that question.

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At the very least, you would look in the box. So,

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even with the immunity, it just seemed she was unwilling

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to admit her role in anything, and it did not

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come off good with the jury. I don't think the

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jury trusted a whole lot of what she was saying.

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They believed the box theory because it's on video, it's

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on surveillance, but they didn't believe she didn't know what

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was in there. This is just my opinion.

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Now.

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The sister of Odin Lloyd, a lady by the name

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of Gina Patrese. She also testified, and this was on

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March second of twenty fifteen. She spoke of her knowledge

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in the early morning hours of June seventeenth of twenty thirteen,

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and she testified. She last saw her brother, Odin Lloyd,

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at two thirty am when he entered the backseat of

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a Nissan Ultima outside of their home, and this was

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confirmed by surveillance that the neighbor of Odin Lloyd provided

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to police. Now at the time his sister last saw

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Odin that night, she was sitting in a car. It

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was on the same street she was with what she

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described as a male friend of hers now. In addition

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to what she observed visually, she also testified and described

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receiving several disturbing texts from Lloyd that night between three

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seven am and three point twenty three am, and of

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course she turned all that over to police. The messages

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included quote you know who I'm with, then quote NFL,

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and then quote just so you know. She testified that

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she had never met Aaron Hernandez prior to this incident,

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and she never heard her brother mentioned him, so initially

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she thought he was bragging about being with an NFL star, Essentially.

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She also testified that from her vantage point, she could

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not see who was driving that Ultima. A fire department

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captain by the name of John White also testified, and

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he was the one who first responded to the scene

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of Odin Lloyd's murder, and he provided critical testimony regarding

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the condition of Odin Lloyd's body at that crime scene,

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and he also formally declared Lloyd dead at that scene. Now,

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during testimony, he stated he was called to the scene

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in an industrial park in North Attleborough, Massachusetts, and upon arriving,

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he said he assessed the situation. He found Odin Lloyd

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lying on his back, face up, displaying no signs of life,

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and he noted that Lloyd was cold to the touch

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and Lloyd was very stiff, which that indicated to him

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that Lloyd had been dead several hours. He also said

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he observed flies entering and axiting Lloyd's nose, which also

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indicated he had been dead several hours. He testified that

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he officially pronounced Odin Lloyd dead at five forty seven pm.

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This was on June seventeenth of twenty thirteen, and he

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described the area around the body of Odin Lloyd as

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a gravel pit and very isolated within the industrial park,

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which to me that provided proof that this was an

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intentional effort to hide the body. He also testified that

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Lloyd had been shot six times. Now sadly, during the fire.

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Captain's testimony pictures of the scene in the body of

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Odin Lloyd. They were shown in the courtroom, which prompted

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a extremely understandable emotional outburst from Lloyd's mother and actually

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caused her to leave the courtroom. She, unbelievably to me anyway,

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was not made aware that this was going to occur,

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that they were going to show pictures of her son's

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dead body right there in the courtroom at that time

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with that witness. Now, usually this comes up ahead of

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time because they want the family to know, Hey, we're

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going to show pictures here. So today when you know

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XYZ witness testifies, if you don't want to see those pictures,

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she need to leave the courtroom. It's just a matter

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of respect to me. But they didn't do that, and

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that kind of pissed the judge off, and it prompted

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him to, I guess you could call it dressed down

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the prosecutors and he told them, don't let that shit

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happen again. You need to make us aware before you

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do that now. Captain White also noted the injuries Odin

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Lloyd sustained, including gunshot to the chest, a gunshot to

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the side. He had some shots to the collibrone, a

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total of six shots in all. And he said he

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refrained from moving the body so as to obviously preserve

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the scene for police investigators to do what they do now.

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He did see five shellcasings and an unlit blunt near

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the body of Odin Lloyd. And he had a very

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professional demeanor this captain during the testimony, he would detach himself,

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if you will, emotionally, he always referred to Lloyd as

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quote the patient. He wouldn't call him by his name.

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And that's probably a defense mechanism for these guys that

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sees it see this shit all the time. You know

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you al must have to dehumanize the situation to get

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through it. One thing he did do was come off

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very credible. This dude knew what he was doing. A

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rental car employee also testified by the name of RelA Smith,

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and she really provided the key evidence in this case

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that would connect Aaron Hernandez to the actual scene. She

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testified that while cleaning out the car, she discovered a

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spent forty five caliber bullet shellcasing in the vehicle. She

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also stated that the shellcasing was stuck to a piece

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of chewed up chewing gum that was blue. Now, remember

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in episode one, I told you Aaron was caught on

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surveillance camera at a gas station that night with La

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and two other guys in that ultima and he was

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purchasing blue Bubblicious. Now, at the time the rental car

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employee discovered this, she had no clue, no idea at

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all that there was a murder investigation going on that

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would involve this ultima. So she finds this, she just

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throws it in the trash along with a water bottle

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from that vehicle. She goes home that evening from work

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and she turns on the news and she sees this

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murder investigation was going on and that they were investigating

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Aaron Hernandez and she thinks, oh shit, I may have

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thrown away the biggest piece of evidence in that case.

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The problem was the garbage at the rental car facility

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had already been collected that day. So she calls police

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and she tells them what she found and have thrown away. Unfortunately,

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and miraculously in my opinion, police go to the trash

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dump and they are able to locate the trash bag

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and the evidence inside of it that she found which

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would provide a great setup for the next person that

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testified in this trial, and that was Massachusetts State Police

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ballistics expert Stephen Walsh, and he testified extensively about the

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analysis of the shellcasings found at the scene of the

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murder and the shellcasings found inside of that rental car,

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and he explained that the weapon used, which was a

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glock forty five caliber pistol, was unique as it relates

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to the striations of spent bullet casings. So let me

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explain that for you, glock barrels are manufactured differently from

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most other firearms and that results in a smoother striation.

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Which striations are the markings formed on the casings when

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a bullet is fired. They're typically unique to each gun,

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so these markings are smoother with glocks. In addition, glocks

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have what he turned as unique firing pin marks. This

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all makes bullets fired by glocks pretty easy to identify.

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So he then testified that all five bullets were covered

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at the crime scene these striations matched. But even more

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damning than that was the bullet found in the rental

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car of the car that Aaron Hernandez rented matched the

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five bullets recovered at the crime scene, and as if

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any more evidence was knee, there was surveillance footage from

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the industrial park showing that Ultima entering the facility and

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leaving the facility. Next up was Maureen McCabe. She testified

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at the trial and she was a forensic scientist at

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the State Police Crime Lab, and she discussed Aaron voluntarily

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providing salava samples of his DNA, which was compared to

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both that marijuana blunt. Remember I told you they found

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an unlit marijuana blunt at the crime scene, but also

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that blue bubblicious gum that was stuck to the spent

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shellcasing in the Ultima that the rental car employee found.

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They tested that too, and guess what perfect match to

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Aaron Hernandez DNA. Imagine that a forensic analysm by the

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name of Jessica Robido also testified, and she was a

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footprint expert, and they tested four pairs of size thirteen

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Nike sneakers that they recovered from a search warrant conducted

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at airon hernandez home. Now, none of the sneakers turned

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up positive for blood, which was what they were testing for. However,

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the same size and type of sneakers were matched to

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footprints found at the crime scene. Now, interestingly, even a

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water bottle found at the crime scene matched the flavoring type,

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which incidentally was blueberry vitamin water, to the same water

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found inside Airing Hernandez refrigerator at his home. And let's

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talk about this for a second. If you're like me

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by now, you're thinking, this is a messy fucking crime scene.

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They've got bubbleishous gums stuck to bullets that are left

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inside a car. They got shellcasings everywhere outside of this

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car at the crime scene. They got footprints everywhere on

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the crime scene. And this jackass is even thrown bottled

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water out at the crime scene. I mean, this was

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sloppy as they come. But what's that tell police? These

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aren't experts in murder. This wasn't a hit, if you will,

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just totally sloppy. They're on surveillance cameras everywhere, and hey,

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that's great for police, but it just proves to you

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that these aren't professionals. This is just sloppy shit. Now.

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One witness who never testified in this trial was Tanya Singleton.

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Remember her, She was Aaron's older cousin. He went and

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lived with her when he was having problems with his

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mother after his dad died. She was the one who

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really he looked at as his mother, and he'd said

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many times, it's the only one I trust in the world. Well,

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she was asked to testify against Aaron. As a matter

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of fact, she was subpoened and thus forced to testify.

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But if anything else, I'll credit her loyalty to him

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that she absolutely refused to testify, effectively told the court

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to go fuck themselves. Now, at this time, she was

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very sick, late, very late stages of terminal cancer, and

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with this refusal, she was facing jail time. But she

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didn't give a fuck. She could care less. She was

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not going to testify against Aaron, and she was charged

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with contempt of court. Now her situation, she's in the

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last stages of her life. Here, she's gotten bad breast

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cancer stage four stuff in the judge knew that, and

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due to her condition with cancer, rather than jail time,

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she just got home confinement for not being willing to testify.

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Also in the trial, some of the house cleaners for

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Aaron testified and they said they had seen Aaron with

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a gun many times, and they had seen one in

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the house while cleaning, and the police, it's important to note,

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they found no weapon in Aaron hernandez home, and that

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further strengthened the belief that he got rid of a weapon.

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A bunch of people had seen a gun in his house,

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yet no gun was found. Murder weapon or not. There

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was no gun of any type found, and it kind

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of proved to the jury that all these people are

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seeing a pistol and now he doesn't have one, so

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he must have gotten rid of it. So, after a

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relatively long trial, on April fifteenth of twenty fifteen, Aaron

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Hernandez has found guilty of the murder of Odin Lloyd.

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And you could see that one coming right. There's no

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denying this. There's proof frickin everywhere that he was certainly

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involved in this and that, according to all accounts, pulled

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the trigger. And Aaron Hernandez was subsequently sentenced to life

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in prison. Imagine that this guy was an NFL star,

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had just signed a forty million dollar contract with the

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New England Patriots and couldnot keep his ass out of trouble.

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But it ain't even close to over for Aaron Hernandez,

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a new trial awaited, and that trial would be for

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that double murder in Boston that I brought up several times.

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But before we get into that, a lot of you

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may wonder what happened to the other two guys that

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were in that car with Aaron Hernandez the night that

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Odin Lloyd was well. Carlos Ortez one of those men.

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In a separate trial, he pleaded guilty to accessory after

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the fact and he received a four to seven year sentence,

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and Ernest Wallace, in a separate trial, was found guilty

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of the same charge and sentenced to the same sentence.

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Let's get into that Boston double murder that took the

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lives of two men in twenty twelve, and that trial

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began on February fourteenth of twenty seventeen. Now, the star witness,

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if you will, during this trial was none other than

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the guy Aaron shot in the face and attempted to murder,

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Alexander Bradley. Remember shot him in the face, he went

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blind in one eye. I touched on that in Episode one.

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So a couple of things the police had add outside

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of Bradley's testimony that would play a huge role in

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the prosecution's case of this trial. They had found the

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abandoned vehicle suspected to be used in the shooting, a

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toy at a fore Runner in the garage of Aaron

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Hernandez cousin Tanya Singleton. They were serving a search warrant

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in the first trial and actually came across it. And

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they had some ballistic evidence as well during this trial,

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including shellcasings found at the scene matching the type of

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ammunition that Aaron Hernandez was known to possess. And they

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also had video surveillance showing Hernandez and Bradley leaving the

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nightclub shortly before the shooting, as well as that same

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fore erunner that was found at Tanya Singleton's home following

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the victims just prior to the shooting. So, as I said,

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Alexander Bradley's testimony is the absolute key to this trial.

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He is the only eyewitness of substance in this entire trial. Now,

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remember in the other car there were four people, Two

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of them were killed, one of them was shot, the

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other one managed to avoid getting shot. We'll get into

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that a little later, But he was the one who

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knew that Aaron pulled the trigger in his testimony. Now

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he was guaranteed amenity. So I'm gonna go ahead, and

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you're gonna hear from Alexander Bradley's own mouth what happened

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that night. And this is gonna take several episodes to

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cover his testimony. But you have to hear this from

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start to finish. There's no way to really summarize this.

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You need to hear everything this guy says. I promise you,

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it's gonna reel you in Alexander Bradley's testimony.

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Now, when you moved with this k in Bristol and

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around two thousand and seven, at some point, mister Bradley,

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did you start to engage in a different way to

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get income in that time period other than a legitimate job.

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Yes, And what was that, sir?

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I was selling drugs marijuana to be exact, you.

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Were selling marijuana, yes, And in two thousand and seven

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leading into two thousand and nine, about how much marijuana

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were you selling?

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It would vary between ten to like thirty pounds.

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A week each week.

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And did you have particular customers or was it narrowed

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down to just certain people?

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For the most part, it was certain people. That is

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pretty small circle.

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Mister, I'm gonna call your attention now to a particular individual,

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the individual named Aaron Hernandez.

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When did you first meet Aaron Hernandez.

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Well, first, I don't want to eight exact year because

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I'm not sure, but he was finishing up college anticipating

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in the NFL draft, So in between him getting drafted.

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Pretty much and mister Bradley, if you if you learned

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that mister Hernandez started in the NFL in twenty ten,

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would that help you figure out.

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The year that you met him?

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Yes?

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What year would that have been about?

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Well between nine and oh ten.

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How was it that you met Aaron Hernandez, Sir.

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I met him through a mutual friend, and it was

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me and mister.

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Hernandez mutual friend that you both had. What was that

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man's name?

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Individual named Daikon Brooks?

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And what was it about Daikwon Brooks? How did you

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know him?

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I know him through the town, through playing basketball a

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couple of different leagues, So that's how I met him.

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That's how my relationship began.

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With And was mister Brooks also an athlete potentially looking

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to go pro at the point at that time?

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Yes, he was standout basketball as.

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Think, and who introduced who to whom? Did mister Brooks

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introduce you to mister Hernandez?

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Yes?

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And did you learn at that time that mister Hernandez

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was from a particular town, born and raised.

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Yes, I was informed at that time that he was

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born and raised in Bristol, Connecticut.

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Now, the person who you referred to is Aaron Hernandez,

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who you met sometime around two thousand and nine. Do

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you see Aaron Hernandez set in the courtroom today?

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Yes, he's president.

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Can you please point him out describing an article clothing

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that he's wearing.

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A gentleman right there with the gray suit, light blue

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shirt underneath.

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After the rect we may reflect the witness identified the

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defendant Aaron Hernandez.

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Man.

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Now, sir, describe when you first met Aaron Hernandez. What

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was the nature of your relationship at least at the start.

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Just casual. We had some things in common. We like

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to play video games, nothing major, just we just hung

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out video games.

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And other than playing video games that you have some

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other things in common?

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Oh, yes, we like the gamble. We both smoked. We drank.

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When you say smoke, what would you smoke?

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Marijuana?

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And did mister Hernandez that time period nine and he's

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still in college at the point.

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Was he smoking marijuana too?

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Yes?

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Did you ever in that time period start selling him marijuana.

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At some point shortly thereafter? Yes?

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What was at least in two thousand and nine prior

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to him leaving college and coming to the NFL.

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What was mister Hernandez's financial situation.

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Prior to being drafted? It wasn't an ideal financial situation.

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I don't know. He didn't have much money then.

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And did you ultimately loan him or lend him money

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in any way during that time period?

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Indirectly? Yes, marijuana, not particularly cash, but yeah, marijuana.

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You would give him marijuana, but note not get paid

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for it.

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At times. I would wait to get paid.

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At some point, Mister Bradley, you had what you described

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as at least an acquaintanceship that was developing at that

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point when mister Hernandez entered the AFAE.

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To the lead. I think it's I love a couple

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of cos.

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After you had this relationship you've described with mister Hernandez,

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did it change one he was drafted in the NFL?

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Yes, it progressed.

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How did it progress, sir?

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We just started hanging out with each other more. He

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started inviting me to come around more vacation, no, perhaps

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to his house.

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Where was he living once twenty ten came around and

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he was drafted in the NFL.

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Where did he start living?

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I believe it was Plainville, Massachusetts.

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Plainville, Massachusetts.

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Just calling your attention to the board to your left

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is Plainville, right about here where I have the green dot.

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Yes.

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What kind of residence was he living at in Plainville?

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Sir?

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It was like a townhouse or a condo type of thing.

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Who was he living there with in the.

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Beginning just himself and later on his fiance Shayana Jenkins.

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So once he entered the NFL in two thousand and ten,

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started living in Plainville. Where were you living at the time?

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Were you still in Bristol or somewhere else? I was

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still living in Bristol. How frequently would you see mister Hernandez?

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Quite frequently? Progressed into I want to say, three four

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times a week?

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Three times three or four times a week. What would

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you do when you would spend time with Aaron Hernandez.

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The same things I met him doing. We would just

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play video games. Smogan Drake sang out.

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Did you also go out anywhere together during that time period?

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Yes?

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Where would you go?

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We would frequent some some clubs and we went on

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a vacation to Miami around that time.

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She went to Miami together. You and Aaron Hanandez. Did

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you go alone or with other people?

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The initial time? I believe it was just me and

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mister Hearnanda. It was me and mister Hernandez. The first

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time I went just the two of you. Yes.

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And when you would go out, did you ever go

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out to night clubs with mister Hendez between twenty ten into.

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Twenty twelve repeat the years ago?

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Between twenty ten into twenty twelve, did you go to

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night clubs.

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With mister Hernandez, I believe we did.

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And how frequently did you go.

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To night clubs at the very beginning? Not that much,

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but we would go to some nightclubs.

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You mentioned gambling.

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Did you ever go to the casino together with the

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defendant mister Hernandez?

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Yes?

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Which casinos?

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Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun.

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When you would go to Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun with

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the defendant, would you go alone with him or with

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other people?

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We're usually alone.

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For the majority of the time that you spent with

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the defendant, mister Hernandez, mister Bradley, were you usually alone

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with him or was it more frequently with other people?

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The majority of the time we spent together, we were alone.

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How close did you get leading into twenty twelve?

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Became quite close? What do you mean by very close?

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We were definitely best friends by twenty.

477
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.920
Twelve, by twenty twelve of your best friends best friends.

478
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.599
How frequently would you contact each other either by phone

479
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:12.599
or text message?

480
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.039
Definitely six or se most of the time, every day,

481
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:20.119
sometimes five six days, usually every day.

482
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:20.559
Every day.

483
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:20.839
Ye.

484
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.759
So at some point, sir, did your relationship how did

485
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:29.039
the fact that you were a marijuana dealer? How did

486
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.759
that relate to your relationship with mister Hernandez.

487
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.839
I mean, that's how it That's kind of how it started.

488
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:39.559
It was a business relationship. It progressed. What do you

489
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:40.839
mean in terms of how they do it? Really?

490
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:41.079
Did?

491
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.599
Did you continue during the friendship you've described? Did you

492
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.599
continue to sell Aaron Hernandez marijuana during that time?

493
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.319
Apply him with marijuana, yes? Would he pay you for it?

494
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:50.359
Yes?

495
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.000
And sometimes you also give him free marijuana at times?

496
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.519
And at some point did you said the relationship progress

497
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:00.240
to being best friends. Did you continue to sell them

498
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.240
or provide him with marijuana when you were best friends?

499
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:04.920
Yes, provide I say more or less.

500
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.000
More provided at that point, Yes, mister Bradley, and calling

501
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:14.000
your attention out to twenty eleven leading into twenty twelve,

502
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.839
was there a point where you and mister Hernandez began

503
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.640
to frequent nightclubs?

504
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:19.359
Yes?

505
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:20.960
Where would you go?

506
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:28.880
Predominantly Boston Theater District, Connecticut, A couple places in Connecticut,

507
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.519
West Harford Center, Herder, Connecticut. At time or two, we'd

508
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.480
go to Springfield, Rhode Island, various places.

509
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.920
How frequently would you go to nightclubs during that time

510
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.119
period twenty eleven in twenty twelve?

511
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:41.079
Quite often?

512
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.039
How many times a week would you estimate?

513
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.640
I would say, I don't know. It was kind of

514
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.960
sporadic because it would depend on a lot of times.

515
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:55.079
It depended on his schedule.

516
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.519
Well, let me ask you a little bit about that,

517
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.680
mister Bradley. Try to interrupt you, But would the fact

518
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.759
that he had the football season with that changed the

519
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:09.320
frequency in which you would see mister Hernandez. Yes, she

520
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.000
was there anything different about the different times of the

521
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.079
year as far as how frequently you would see mister Hernandez.

522
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.159
Yes, it were very depending on his schedule. I mean,

523
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.519
you know, football season or not football season. But I

524
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.480
still saw him an awful lot. I was around all

525
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:27.199
the time.

526
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.800
During football season. Would you still see him multiple times

527
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:31.159
a week?

528
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:32.239
Yes, definitely.

529
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.199
Did you go to football games Patriot games?

530
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:35.760
Yes?

531
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.079
Would you go as on your own is after the

532
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:38.840
Patriot games?

533
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.599
Yes? Where would you go? Predominantly back to his house

534
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:45.719
the majority of time back to his house?

535
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.920
Calling your attention out too, the fact that you testified

536
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.760
that you would go to clubs there in Hernandez. You

537
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.880
said some in Connecticut and some in Boston's theatre district.

538
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:56.920
Where were the clubs in Connecticut that you went to?

539
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.199
West Harford Senator was spot? We used to go to

540
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:03.760
a well that we've been to. I can't remember the

541
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:08.400
exact name of it. I think it's called Elbow Room,

542
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.639
Rhode Island. I don't remember the name of the spot.

543
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.519
But what about the clubs in the theater district of Boston?

544
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:17.480
Which clubs did you frequent with Aaron Hernandez? Club Cure

545
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:22.159
predominantly Cure. I've been to a rum or venue of

546
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:23.719
the spots but usually it was Cure.

547
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:26.719
How many times could you would you estimate that you

548
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.320
went to club Cure with the defendant Aaron.

549
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:33.559
Hernandez double digit times?

550
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.800
I mean double digit times when you went out to

551
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.119
night clubs with Aaron Hernandez. And this time period again

552
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.880
twenty eleven leading into twenty twelve, did you notice anything

553
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.280
about the way the defendant, mister Aaron Henanda's acted when

554
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:49.039
he would be at night.

555
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.320
Clubs with you? Yes, what did you observe?

556
00:35:53.000 --> 00:36:02.360
He particted her? He acted in the mainer like a

557
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.679
tough guy all the time, Like is the way I

558
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.159
would explain it. He he didn't really like people staring

559
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.519
at him. He had a problem with things that most

560
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:12.599
people don't have a problem with.

561
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:14.880
When you say people staring at him, what do you

562
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.360
mean by that? Like, give us a scenario that you recall.

563
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.559
I mean I recall a couple of different scenarios, but

564
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.840
one in particular, a gentleman was staring at him.

565
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:26.519
Where were you do you remember which club?

566
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:27.199
Uh?

567
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.000
I think we were at Rumor for that particular.

568
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.119
Club, Rumor in the Theater district of Boston.

569
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:35.719
Yes, and a gentleman was staring at him and it

570
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.440
turned into you know, an incident I believe mister Hernandez

571
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.639
asked the gentleman what he was looking at and a

572
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:43.679
gentleman responded by saying, I'm looking at you.

573
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.239
And what happened after that.

574
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:52.119
A mile c somewhat of a conflict ensued that wind

575
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.639
up getting ironed out. What the gentleman saying that, mister Hernandez,

576
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.000
you know I'm looking at you. You lost me a

577
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:58.880
lot of money on the super Bowl type of thing

578
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:00.880
is what it turn into.

579
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:02.119
Where any punch is thrown.

580
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.000
No, did you have to physically get involved in any way?

581
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.840
Yes, I wind up kind of diffusing it. I spoke

582
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.079
with that gentleman and you know, kind of turning into

583
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:17.639
nothing after that. But that was the extent of that situation, And.

584
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.199
Then what about any other situations.

585
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.840
There was an incident in Connecticut, I believe I remember

586
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.840
in Motererbery, Connecticut, where the same thing happened with a

587
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:33.280
gentleman who was staring at him. And mister Hernandez always

588
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:34.599
had a problem with people staring at him.

589
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.840
What would he say if you recall when people were

590
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.400
staring at him, do he say something to you?

591
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.000
He usually was saying he didn't like people staring at

592
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:42.760
him because he felt like they were trying him or

593
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:43.480
testing him.

594
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:44.920
Did you use the word trying?

595
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:46.280
Trying was the phrase he used?

596
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.639
He used, he would usually use that word, yes, Like,

597
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:55.360
in what context, Sir Hagen, do not lead you said?

598
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.559
You said he used a certain phrase in describing when

599
00:37:58.599 --> 00:37:59.400
people stared at him.

600
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:00.480
What was that word that.

601
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.920
He used over the world?

602
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:06.480
What would he say?

603
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:08.679
He said he didn't like when people stared at him.

604
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:09.559
He felt like they were trying.

605
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.320
Did you have a conversation with him when he would

606
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.199
say that at the club, particularly at this time, and

607
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.039
I think you said, Waterbury.

608
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.480
Well, I don't remember what I said to him at

609
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.920
that particular time, but what I usually would say was,

610
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.519
you know, you're a famous NFL player. That's what's gonna happen.

611
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.920
It's not that big of a deal. It's in other words,

612
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.039
I actually try to explain to him that people weren't

613
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.199
trying them all the time. It's just the situation, the

614
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.760
position he was in, and he didn't really need to

615
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.920
overreact all the time to that type of scenario.

616
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:44.199
The two situations you described, mister Bradley, the one that

617
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:47.519
rumor and the one in a nightclub in Waterbury. What

618
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.639
observations did you make of the defendants demeanor when he

619
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.280
would be telling you that he felt like he was

620
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:53.119
being tried.

621
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.119
He got upset about it. I mean, he didn't like it.

622
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.920
It was he always got upset about that particular thing.

623
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:06.119
And those two occasions that you've described, did he actually

624
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.320
leave the club afterwards or did you leave with him?

625
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:09.519
What happened out? How did they end?

626
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.320
And Waterbury, we wind up staying till the end, and

627
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:17.320
we left when it was over. But at that particular time,

628
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:18.559
that's Waterbury, Connecticut.

629
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:21.480
And what about the time at the club rumor.

630
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.119
We stayed till the end of the club, We didn't

631
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:26.119
leave right away.

632
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.079
Calling your attention now to other times that you were

633
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.719
at clubs with Aaron Hernandez, what was his general demeanor

634
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:32.599
like at the clubs when.

635
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:33.880
You're out with him during that time period?

636
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:36.239
He wasn't real social.

637
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:42.519
He's kind of stand offish, excluding me, you know, he

638
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.800
just he didn't really mingle too much inside the clubs.

639
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:47.079
He wasn't very social.

640
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:52.400
Did you have a prior to July of twenty twelve,

641
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.599
other than what you've already testified to did you have

642
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.679
conversations with him? About him feeling that people were trying

643
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:06.039
and were testing him.

644
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:06.360
State calling your attention out, sir.

645
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:11.880
To the super Bowl in two thousand and eleven, actually

646
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.639
into twenty twelve, the Super Bowl Patriots versus the Giants.

647
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:16.920
Did you go to that Super Bowl?

648
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.559
Yes? Where was that Indianapolis?

649
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.119
What was the result of the Super Bowl?

650
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.920
The game the Patriots lost?

651
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:29.239
Did you notice any difference in the defendants demeanor after

652
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:29.760
that game?

653
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.119
Not particularly after the game. I mean, I know he

654
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.119
was well sad that they lost.

655
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.719
But and what about the times that you went to

656
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.119
clubs after February of two thousand and twelve.

657
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.159
Did you continue to go to night clubs after that?

658
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:47.519
Yes, we did.

659
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:49.519
And what clubs did you go to?

660
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:51.039
Usually cure?

661
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:53.119
Usually cure?

662
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:53.800
Yes?

663
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.920
Were there any other instances prior to July sixteenth, twenty twelve?

664
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.440
Were there any other instances cure that you recall of

665
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:08.679
the defendant getting angry?

666
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:16.840
Particularly No, No, not that I can recall.

667
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.000
How frequently would you go in other words, was it

668
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.079
a weekly thing? I'm talking now into twenty twelve, the

669
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:23.960
winter into the spring of twenty twelve.

670
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.960
How frequently would you go to night clubs with the defendant?

671
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:28.320
Very frequent.

672
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:30.360
How many times a week?

673
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.840
Well with him, usually once a week and then I

674
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.960
mean it would depend the football season was out. It

675
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.679
would be times we went two times in a weekend,

676
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.639
three times. It would depend on his schedule.

677
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.320
At some point, mister Bradley, did the defendant, Aaron Hernandez

678
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.960
ask you to.

679
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:51.280
Help him purchase something?

680
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:52.360
Yes?

681
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:54.360
What did he ask you to help him purchase?

682
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:55.960
He asked me to get him a fire home.

683
00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:00.119
Do you know when this was, particularly in relation to

684
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:01.840
July sixteenth, twenty twelve.

685
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.280
I'm going to say definitely at least a month prior,

686
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.119
maybe two, but definitely.

687
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.440
A month prior, a month or two prior.

688
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.159
Yes, did he indicate to you why he wanted you

689
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.639
to purchase a firearm for him?

690
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.719
Yes, he felt like he needed it for protection. He

691
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.559
felt like he was tired of people trying him and

692
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.239
you know, people staring at him. He felt like people

693
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.000
thought he was soft to something and he was able

694
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:28.719
to prove something.

695
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.199
He told you that he felt that people thought of

696
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.119
her soft.

697
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.719
With his answers without a question, what a question.

698
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.960
To give the context of what you just stated, mister Bradley,

699
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.440
What did he say about what he thought people thought

700
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:43.760
of him.

701
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.599
He was fed up with the whole feeling as if

702
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.800
people were trying them situations, so he wanted a firearm

703
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:53.880
to protect hisself in the event.

704
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:56.320
Did he ever indicate to you whether or not he

705
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.960
felt he was being tested or tried in certain areas

706
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.920
opposed to others, meaning certain cities.

707
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.800
It was usually in downtown Boston area Care area. He

708
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.960
told you that, Oh, that's when he didn't say, I

709
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.039
feel like, you know, trying me here and here, but

710
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.920
that's where he was on heightened alert. Was in that

711
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.400
area all the time, right.

712
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:24.360
Uh, lay a foundation for lat kills.

713
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.960
Did you have conversations with him both prior to and

714
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:34.079
after going to clubs in Boston downtown Boston, just general conversation, Yes,

715
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.239
And did he ever indicate to you any stress or

716
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:39.199
angst that he had.

717
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:40.480
About going to clubs in Boston?

718
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:41.960
Yes?

719
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.679
What did he say exactly?

720
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.519
He was tired of feeling like people were trying him.

721
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.559
He didn't like He would ask me, why don't people

722
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:51.719
stare at you like that?

723
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:53.599
What would you say in response?

724
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.760
And I'll respond to him pretty much because I'm not you.

725
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.280
I mean, i would say We're not in the same position,

726
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:03.719
you know, you're star athlete. I'm regular person.

727
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.079
Now, do you recall, mister Bradley, whether or not prior

728
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.880
to July of twenty twelve, if mister Ahrand has had

729
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.400
a situation with any particular.

730
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.559
Group of people in Boston.

731
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:21.480
There was a particular group of people who he felt like,

732
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.159
you know, were always staring at him or watching him,

733
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:27.400
or type of thing where he had, you know, eye contact.

734
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.880
With Do you remember anything about that group of people,

735
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.159
like any types of shirts they wore or anything like that.

736
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:34.760
Yeah, it was a group of people. They used to

737
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.559
wear these shirts called that sayd City Angels on them,

738
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.159
and there were a large group of people. They usually

739
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:43.559
were a lot of them, There was always a lot

740
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:44.880
of them.

741
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.800
And the and where were they? Were they in particular

742
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.360
clubs or usually in club care?

743
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:50.840
Yes?

744
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.679
Did they wear shirts that said what you've described city Angels?

745
00:44:54.760 --> 00:46:29.239
Yes, Ma virchoit's rum you may, mister Ridley. I'm gonna

746
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:43.440
show you.

747
00:46:37.480 --> 00:47:08.679
Nine photographs, just ask you to look through those. Do

748
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:10.519
you recognize the apparel.

749
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.599
That's depicted in the uh seven photographs?

750
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:14.440
Sir? Yes?

751
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.719
And is that the apparel that you that you previously

752
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:17.760
uh just described, sir?

753
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:18.280
Yes?

754
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.719
And what what apparel is that says City Evangels?

755
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.320
And is that the apparel that the individuals were wearing

756
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:27.920
that you previously just testified to that mister Hernandez had

757
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.320
some concerns or issues about.

758
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:45.320
Yes, kay, sorry, it.

759
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.760
Was nine photographs total, you're I said the ninth photographs

760
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.679
be stapled together marked as an next number EXI O.

761
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:52.920
Yes, was that.

762
00:47:53.000 --> 00:48:27.559
Obtraction they received, mister Red, I'm just placing uh the

763
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:32.800
front page of exhibit two eighty three. Is that one

764
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.599
of the uh types of uh peril that you're describing?

765
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.000
Yes? Uh?

766
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:49.639
Second page yes, yes. Third page listed is Roxbury, Massachusetts,

767
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:51.280
individuals wearing a certain type of hat.

768
00:48:52.119 --> 00:49:03.440
Yes. Fourth page yes.

769
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.079
And here uh in red and in Sygney on the

770
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:05.119
shirt or a sweatshirt.

771
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.000
That appear to be c A Yes, it appears to

772
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:14.920
be uh. Eighth page.

773
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:18.679
The same type of in Sydney on the shirt shirt.

774
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:19.320
Yes.

775
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:26.559
The next page there also city angels.

776
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:27.239
Yes.

777
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:29.079
And then the the final.

778
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:29.920
Page, ninth page.

779
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.280
Do you recognize uh who's depicted in that photograph?

780
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:33.679
Yes?

781
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.880
And who is that on the right, mister Hernandez and

782
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:38.920
the person he is standing next to. Do you see

783
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:40.039
the logo on the sweatshirt.

784
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.840
Yes, does that a appear to be uh the logo

785
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.199
of the group that you previously described, Yeah.

786
00:49:44.960 --> 00:50:00.519
It appears to say city.

787
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.760
Mister Bradley, what do you recall in particular about the

788
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.000
groups of men who were women were wearing the City

789
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:07.159
Angels apparel. What do you call specifically happened between them

790
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:08.000
and mister Hernandez?

791
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.559
A large group? They will They always came in big groups,

792
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:14.480
just staring at each other for the most part, like

793
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:15.280
long stairs.

794
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.519
And did any did you ever witness any type of

795
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:22.239
confrontation or altercation involving mister Hernandez and people wearing the

796
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:23.280
City Angel shirts.

797
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.039
No, not particularly, he just what did he say about it?

798
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.800
He thought like that group that had an issue with

799
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.239
him because he felt like they always stared at him

800
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:34.519
or stared him down when he was inside those places

801
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:34.920
or whatever.

802
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:40.280
And he particularly mentioned the City of Angels group. Yes,

803
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.239
did he specifically mention them by name?

804
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.000
He mentioned that group over there with that well girls,

805
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.400
he met you, what, sir, the group over there with

806
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:54.360
the City Angel shirts.

807
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:59.840
Yes, mister Bradlay, you indicated that you perched that you

808
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.639
were asked to purchase a firearm for mister Hernandez, and

809
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:04.360
I believe you had stated he gave you the reason

810
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.000
why he wanted the firearm to be purchased. Did you,

811
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.920
in fact purchase the defendant Aaron Hernandez a firearm?

812
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:10.840
Yes? I did.

813
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:13.320
How did he give you any money to do that?

814
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:14.239
Yes? He did?

815
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.679
How much did he give you three hundred and fifty dollars?

816
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:20.119
Did he ask for a type of weapon?

817
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:20.800
No?

818
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:23.679
What did you do once you had the three hundred

819
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.599
and fifty dollars from the defendant?

820
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.719
I went out and purchased the firearm?

821
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.639
And did you purchase it in Connecticut or in Massachusetts?

822
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:32.639
In Connecticut?

823
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.400
What type of gun did you purchase the defendant Aaron Hernandez.

824
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:37.840
I purchased him a revolver?

825
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:39.400
What did it look like?

826
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:43.000
It was three to fifty seven revolver with it was

827
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.440
silver with a brown handle.

828
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:48.880
Did you purchase any ammunition with it?

829
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:51.840
No? I didn't purchase ammunition. There were a couple of

830
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:54.760
rounds in the know and at the time I purchased.

831
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.320
Once you purchased that weapon for the defendant, did you

832
00:51:58.400 --> 00:51:59.400
do anything with the weapon?

833
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:04.000
Did you give it to him? Oh? Yes, I did.

834
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.159
About how long afterwards did you give it to him

835
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:07.039
after you bought it.

836
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.599
Not long after the next time he came back down,

837
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.039
I gave him the weapon. It was within a couple.

838
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.599
Of days came back down from Massachusetts. Yes, And where

839
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:18.360
where did you.

840
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:21.800
Meet with him? In Bristol and you gave him the weapon?

841
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:22.320
Yes?

842
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.159
What did he say when you gave him the weapon?

843
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.119
She just looked at it and said straight it was straight.

844
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.760
Now around this time period, mister Bradley, you've indicated it's

845
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.280
about a month or two prior to July sixteenth of

846
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.800
twenty twelve. What was your relationship with the defendant like

847
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:39.480
at this point?

848
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:41.000
Were you still close?

849
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.480
Repeat the timeframe again, please, the time that you bought

850
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:46.400
the gun. Oh, yes, we were still close.

851
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.920
Had you met his family at any point at that time?

852
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:51.639
Yes? I met a few members of his family.

853
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:56.320
Who had met after the previously.

854
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.679
You know who had you met?

855
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:09.800
I had met his mom before his fiance, another some

856
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.000
other family members. I'm not sure. I believe they were

857
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.599
on his dad's side, but I'm not exactly sure who

858
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:18.559
they were. Aunts.

859
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:21.159
Had you met any of his family who lived at

860
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.400
an address called one fourteen Lake Avenue?

861
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:24.000
Yes?

862
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:25.000
Who had you met there?

863
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.280
Sir? A relative of his by the name of Italian Singleton.

864
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.639
What if anything did you notice about the relationship between

865
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:33.679
Aaron Hernandez and Tanya Singleton?

866
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.199
It was a close knit relationship. They were close. How close?

867
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:41.639
Very close, it appeared.

868
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.760
How many times had you personally been over to one

869
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:46.400
fourteen Lake Avenue if you know.

870
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:50.599
I've been outside a few times. I've been inside I

871
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:55.039
say three times maybe at the most, but I've been

872
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.039
outside of the residence more times than that.

873
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:59.800
And did you get a chance to meet did you

874
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.400
ever meet who Tanya Singleton's husband was?

875
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:03.239
Yes?

876
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:04.119
What was his name?

877
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.159
I know him as TL TL.

878
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.800
What if anything did you notice about the relationship between

879
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:13.159
the defendant and TL.

880
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.199
They had I mean they were cordial, they were friendly.

881
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.480
It's a bra I'm gonna call your attention now to

882
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:27.280
a particular night, being a Sunday night, July fifteenth, the

883
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:31.280
year twenty twelve leading into July sixteenth, twenty twelve. Do

884
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.960
you remember that night, sir, Yes, calling your attention out

885
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.159
to sometime in the evening hours, did you receive a

886
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:42.079
phone call or page or text from the defendant Aaron Hernandez.

887
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.559
Yes, What was the nature of the contact, what did

888
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:45.960
he ask?

889
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:50.039
He sent me, well, I shouldn't say a text. We

890
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.760
spoke somehow, either by phone or a text, and he

891
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:55.239
asked me if I wanted to step out?

892
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:56.719
What did step out mean?

893
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:57.480
Go? Oh?

894
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:01.000
What was your respon? Bonds to him, asking if you

895
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:01.719
want to step out?

896
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:02.760
I agree?

897
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:03.480
Now?

898
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.559
It was it was a Sunday night, mister Bradley. Was

899
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.599
it regular or unusual for you and defendant to go.

900
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:09.360
Out on Sunday night?

901
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.039
Usually on Sunday nights we went out and we would

902
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:14.880
go to Cure. That was our Sunday night spot.

903
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.079
That was your Sunday night spot.

904
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:16.599
Yes.

905
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:18.920
Now, when he said if you want to step out,

906
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:20.760
you said yes. What happened next her?

907
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.400
He arrived at my house some time later, I'm not

908
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:29.000
exactly how long later, but he came over and you

909
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:30.239
wind up going out.

910
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:32.440
What car did he come over?

911
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:34.920
And the Toyota four Runner?

912
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:36.880
Had you ever seen that car before?

913
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:37.480
Yes?

914
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.639
How frequently had you seen that car?

915
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:43.199
I've saw it plenty of times.

916
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:47.519
Do you know where the defendant had gotten that car from?

917
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:49.760
To my knowledge, she got it from a dealer to

918
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:50.639
call Jack Fox?

919
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:53.960
What was it the nature of how he got it?

920
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:58.519
He told me it was he said, endorsement car. That

921
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.599
was the phrase, exactly crazy.

922
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.320
Use endorsement car.

923
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.960
What are the cars did Aaron Hernandez have during that

924
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.440
time period of twenty twelve?

925
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:14.119
At that time, I believe, well, he had a black

926
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:22.360
range Rover and I believe maybe I'm not sure, rather

927
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.480
than that a black range Rover, though I know for sure.

928
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:29.119
How frequently would he use the Forerunner?

929
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:35.639
Not too too frequently, but when you use from time

930
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:36.000
to time?

931
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:37.559
Had you driven it prior to that night?

932
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:38.360
Yes?

933
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:40.039
Approximately? How many times?

934
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.480
Not very many? A couple of times, I said.

935
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.960
Now prior to this night Sunday, July fifteenth, twenty and twelve,

936
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:53.159
had you and in between that point and when you

937
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.360
bought the gun for mister Hernandez, had you seen him

938
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:56.039
with the gun.

939
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:59.360
Prior to that that you bought for him? In my life,

940
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.000
I have ever saw No, I'm talking about the gun

941
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:05.159
that you bought about a month prior. Had you seen

942
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:08.760
the gun at all before Sunday, July fifteenth, twenty twelve

943
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.599
on him? No, calling your attention out of this particular

944
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:14.519
night he came to your house. Where were you living

945
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:15.159
at the time.

946
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:18.920
Was living in Manchester, Connecticut? At what type of residents

947
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.039
I had a condo. How long had you lived there

948
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:27.920
at that time? I don't recall exactly how long I

949
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:29.400
been there. I'd have been there for a little while ago.

950
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.679
And at this point, mister Bradley, were you still engaged

951
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.159
in selling marijuana as a way to make a living?

952
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:35.800
Yes?

953
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.840
Were you still selling the same amount so you previously

954
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:40.119
described or had a change stop?

955
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.440
I believe I was still selling large amounts. I don't

956
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:46.840
know if it was exactly amounts.

957
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:50.840
But and who And at this point again we're at Sunday,

958
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:55.800
July fifteenth, twenty twelve. Were you street level sales or

959
00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:57.679
more of a higher level sale at that point?

960
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:00.960
I mean, who are you? How many people were you

961
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:01.360
selling to?

962
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.159
Not very many people, maybe five or six small circle.

963
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:08.719
And what about the defendant, Aaron Hernandez. Was he still

964
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.199
buying from you? Or had he founded an additional source?

965
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:15.920
He wasn't always buying from me, so I'm imagining that

966
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:17.079
he had another source.

967
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.639
How much marijuana at this time period again into July

968
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.960
of twenty twelve, how much marijuana was a defendant smoking?

969
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:26.119
How to average?

970
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:28.840
I'll see you at sidebar.

971
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.639
Did you become aware, though, mister Bradley, of whether or

972
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:41.840
not the defendant was purchasing marijuana from anybody other than you?

973
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:48.679
Section as to answer, he's a guest, all right, being abject,

974
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:50.679
she is sustained as your foundation.

975
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:55.679
Did you ever have conversations with the defendant about you

976
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:57.880
supplying it with marijuana?

977
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.280
Did I have conversations with the defendant? Is that what

978
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:00.599
you said?

979
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.519
Yes, about supplying giving him marijuana?

980
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:03.639
Yes?

981
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:05.000
Well, let me back up a little bit.

982
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.920
In this time period twenty eleven into twenty twelve, how

983
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:11.000
much marijuana were you selling or giving to the defendant

984
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:11.400
each week?

985
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:13.960
An old.

986
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:17.639
Repeat the question how much marijuana were you selling or

987
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:19.599
giving to the defendant for free each week?

988
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:22.960
As this are you asking me at a certain time frame?

989
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:27.280
Like yes, I mean it's varied before sometimes four ounces,

990
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:28.480
sometimes one ounce.

991
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.119
Sometimes four ounces a week. There has been how much of.

992
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.760
Its council repeating a witnesses say, lets you out a question,

993
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:36.880
put a question.

994
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:39.320
Well, when you say four ounces, you're talking about four

995
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:41.840
ounces a week, four ounces a month, four ounces?

996
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:42.760
What are we talking about?

997
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:44.840
It would just be at a time like whenever I

998
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:48.679
saw him. You know, I can't minimize it to four

999
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:50.760
a week or four at a time. If I came

1000
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.519
up three times in one week, and he wanted me

1001
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:54.559
to bring him something every time.

1002
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:57.519
I just would And how much is an ounce?

1003
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.719
Are you asking me to describe it?

1004
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.760
And yes, size wise describe it a sandwich bag.

1005
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:11.039
Now, at some point did the times he asked you

1006
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:12.480
for marijuana that decrease?

1007
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:15.679
Yes?

1008
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:16.679
When would that be.

1009
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:21.239
Later into our relationship, like later down the line a decrease?

1010
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.039
Did you ever indicate to you that he was getting

1011
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:25.400
his marijuana from somewhere else?

1012
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:25.679
Yes?

1013
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.599
Answer no, I don't believe that. You may answer that.

1014
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.440
I want to say no, like I don't know exactly

1015
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.679
another exact source he was getting marijuana from, Like I

1016
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:44.360
don't know mom for sure.

1017
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.199
Could you recall ever indicating that you knew of a

1018
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.079
white male that he was getting marijuana from.

1019
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:54.639
Yes, yes, you.

1020
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:01.360
Do you have any recollection of somebody else that the

1021
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:02.760
defendant got marijuana from?

1022
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:07.360
Yes? Answer straight.

1023
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:12.880
Calling your attention now to once a defendant moved to Plainville.

1024
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.559
Was there a point where his fiance moved in with him?

1025
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:15.760
Sir?

1026
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:16.480
Yes?

1027
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:17.800
Do you know about when that was?

1028
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.559
No? Not exactly when, I mean.

1029
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.760
How how frequently would you go over to the house

1030
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:26.519
and plane.

1031
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:33.199
The towards the end quite frequently. I mean they were varied.

1032
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:35.840
There were times I'll be up there a lot.

1033
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.199
And what if any observations did you make of the

1034
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:42.360
relationship between the defendant and his fiance Shanna Jenkins.

1035
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.559
They were in a relationship. I mean, I really don't

1036
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:53.320
know exactly what you're asking me, if any observations, they

1037
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.960
just they had a relationship. They were together. They appeared

1038
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:57.159
to be in love and loved each other.

1039
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.920
Did she ever, what was your relationship with her, sir?

1040
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.440
At that time? There wasn't really much of any relationship

1041
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.199
with her. I mean we didn't speak. I know hi,

1042
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:11.800
and by I was respectful towards her. She was respectful

1043
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:14.199
towards me, and that was the extent of it at

1044
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:14.960
that point in time.

1045
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:18.159
Was there any issue that you ever observed personally with

1046
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.360
the defendant? Mister hand is going out with you from her?

1047
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:28.400
Jackson otherways?

1048
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:35.760
Calling your attention now, sir, to one of the defendant

1049
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:42.079
moved to Plainville. And again we're in July twenty and twelve.

1050
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:49.039
You've indicated that at some point in twenty twelve, you're

1051
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:51.480
the amount of marijuana you would sell him changed.

1052
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:52.440
When was that exactly?

1053
01:02:56.519 --> 01:02:57.079
Overworld?

1054
01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.119
When was that exactly, sir.

1055
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:00.880
Can you repeat the whole question please?

1056
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.960
He was there a point where the amount that you

1057
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.760
sold the defendant marijuana changed in twenty twelve?

1058
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:07.320
Oh?

1059
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:11.159
Yes, I believe so. I believe it was. You know

1060
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.000
it was going down.

1061
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:17.559
It was going down. Yes, I'm client attention now, sir.

1062
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:21.599
Back to Sunday, July fifteenth, leading into Monday, July sixteenth,

1063
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:24.719
twenty twelve. Again, you recall that night when the defendant

1064
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:29.000
arrived at your house in Silver sub Yes, once he arrived,

1065
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:29.760
what happened?

1066
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:34.239
Sir? He came in, He came in with a book bag.

1067
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:39.280
Shut down, We out, hung out for a while, we smoked, drink.

1068
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:41.559
Did he indicate to you where he had come from?

1069
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:42.159
No?

1070
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:44.719
When you say he came in with a book bag,

1071
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:45.639
what was in the book bag?

1072
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:47.920
I don't know what was in his book bag?

1073
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:49.320
Do you know about what time it was that he

1074
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:49.800
came over?

1075
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:57.159
It was nighttime? I want to say, definitely after eight o'clock. No.

1076
01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:59.239
When you say you smoke, now, what did you smoke?

1077
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.519
Who brought the marijuana? Who supplied it? I had to marijuana?

1078
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:04.199
How much?

1079
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:04.800
Did you smoke?

1080
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:08.000
A couple of blunts?

1081
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.079
Did you do anything? Watch TV? Play video games. What

1082
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:12.480
did you do?

1083
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.800
I think we just hung out and smoke some blunch

1084
01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:17.679
and drink a little bit.

1085
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.400
Was there a conversation about where you were gonna go

1086
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:20.920
out that night?

1087
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.599
Yeah, we were gonna go out. We were trying to

1088
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.079
We were debating on where we were gonna go we

1089
01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:26.679
wind up?

1090
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.039
What was the debate between going where or where?

1091
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.519
Well? We couldn't we wanted. We couldn't decide whether or

1092
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.599
not we were going to just stay local or go

1093
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:35.800
up to Cure and Mass.

1094
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:38.000
What would what would local mean? Would that be a

1095
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:38.599
certain city in.

1096
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.400
Connecticut, Harford West Harford area?

1097
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.079
And was a decision made ultimately where you were gonna go?

1098
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:45.840
Yes?

1099
01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:47.039
Where was that going to be?

1100
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.239
Sir? We're going to Mass to club Cure.

1101
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:52.360
Whose decision was that?

1102
01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:55.039
That was ours? A mutual decision. We just decided we

1103
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:55.400
would go.

1104
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.000
There was anybody else with you that night?

1105
01:04:58.519 --> 01:04:58.679
No?

1106
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:01.519
Was there any discussion of about having anybody else meet

1107
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:03.079
up with you or go out with you?

1108
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:03.280
No?

1109
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:07.880
Call your attention to some time approximately ten pm, did

1110
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:11.039
you leave your house or your condo in Manchester? Yes,

1111
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:14.119
we did prior to doing so, What if any observations

1112
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.280
did you make of the defendant and his car.

1113
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.400
Once we got to the vehicle that we used, the

1114
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:24.280
Toyota four Runner to drive up there, he popped the hood,

1115
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:27.960
throwing the keys and placed the gun under the hood

1116
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:28.400
of the car.

1117
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:30.719
When you say placed the gun under the hood of

1118
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:32.320
the car, where did he get the gun from?

1119
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:36.679
I don't exactly recall, like where he pulled the gun

1120
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:39.599
out of her. But I had given him clothes prior

1121
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:40.440
to that to come down.

1122
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:42.719
So what did you see He had given him clothes.

1123
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:44.159
Why did you give him clothes?

1124
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:48.400
Because when he came he didn't have legitimate clothes to

1125
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:52.360
go out in like I believe he had. He didn't

1126
01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:55.519
have on jeans and club attire. I should say he

1127
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:56.960
didn't have club attire at the time.

1128
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.599
Does club attire mean you can't wear shorts? Yes, you

1129
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:02.519
need long pants, you need gene yes.

1130
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:05.599
So did you supply the defendant with some long pants?

1131
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:06.159
Yes?

1132
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.280
Were you two similar size back then in twenty twelve?

1133
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:09.679
Yes?

1134
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:12.440
And did you also supply to the defendant with anything

1135
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:13.760
to wear as far as a shirt?

1136
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.280
Yes, a shirt, a T shirt and jeans?

1137
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.079
What about a hat? Were either of you wearing hats

1138
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:19.440
at night?

1139
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:21.480
I believe we both wore hats at night.

1140
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:24.000
Did he have his own hat or did you supply

1141
01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:24.440
him with a hat?

1142
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:25.960
I believe I gave him a hat as well.

1143
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.760
So after you gave him a jeans, shirt, and pants,

1144
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:34.079
I'm sorry, jeans and a shirt and a hat. You

1145
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:36.159
indicate that at some point outside you saw him with

1146
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:36.559
a gun.

1147
01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:38.079
Is that right? Yes?

1148
01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:40.159
You don't know where he took it from.

1149
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:42.559
No, because I mean we were just walking into the

1150
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.400
car together. I wasn't really you know, watching him while

1151
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:46.199
we were walking into the car.

1152
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:49.199
How close did you were you to the gun? Could

1153
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:52.039
you see what it looked like at that point?

1154
01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:53.639
Oh? Yes, I believe.

1155
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:54.880
And what did the gun look like?

1156
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:57.960
It was the revolver? I believe it was. It was

1157
01:06:58.000 --> 01:06:59.039
silver with a brown handle.

1158
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.360
You saw silver revolver with what color handle?

1159
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:03.320
With a brown handle?

1160
01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:04.920
What did you see him do with it?

1161
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.360
Placed it under the hood of the car.

1162
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.679
When you say under the hood of the car, what.

1163
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.639
Do you mean he put the gun inside the.

1164
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:16.159
Engine near the engine.

1165
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:18.800
Had you ever seen him somewhere in it under the hood.

1166
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.840
Had you ever seen him place a gun there before?

1167
01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:22.719
No?

1168
01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:24.400
Not prior to that. I don't recall to even place

1169
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:24.960
a gun there.

1170
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:26.719
Did he say anything to you when he did this?

1171
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:27.679
No?

1172
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:29.239
Did you say anything to him?

1173
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.840
No, you weren't surprised at all to see him take

1174
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:37.119
the gun and put it in the engine block, I

1175
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:42.360
mean not really. Was there any conversation about the fact

1176
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:43.960
that you were going to Boston and whether or not

1177
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.719
that caused him any concern? What do you mean prior

1178
01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:51.400
to well, before you leave your your place in Manchester,

1179
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:52.920
was there any conversation.

1180
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:56.119
Other than us deciding on where we were going to

1181
01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:56.599
go out? No?

1182
01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:59.800
Not particularly Now you indicated I believe, mister Bradley, that

1183
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.360
you drove the Silver Recuv up to Boston.

1184
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:05.880
Yes, what route did you take? The route I know

1185
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:10.079
would be eighty four east to the mass Pike, which

1186
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.199
I believe is ninety to ninety three I believe, which

1187
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:13.719
is Boston.

1188
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:16.960
About how long does that drive take from Manchester up.

1189
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:21.399
To Boston Hour and a half minimal, give or take.

1190
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.399
Why were you driving, mister Bradley? Was that an ordinary

1191
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:26.359
situation or was that unusual this night?

1192
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:28.760
Yeah? I usually drove almost all the time. I drove.

1193
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:32.199
Why I just I didn't really like how he drove,

1194
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:35.279
so I drove. I trust him myself behind the wheel

1195
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:36.399
I felt like I was the better driver.

1196
01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:39.239
And when you uh got up to Boston, do you

1197
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:40.439
recall about what time it was.

1198
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:44.479
When you got there? I believe close to midnight?

1199
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.600
Did you uh pick anybody up along the way or

1200
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:52.039
was it just the two of you when he arrived

1201
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:52.520
in Boston?

1202
01:08:52.840 --> 01:09:00.560
Just the two of us?

1203
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:01.520
It's our last sex.

1204
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:07.159
Redular.

1205
01:09:07.239 --> 01:09:09.239
I have Exhibit two sixty eight on the screen.

1206
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:12.680
At some point you've had an opportunity to watch some

1207
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.199
compilation footage, both from Cure and from the Tuls Medical

1208
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:16.760
Center garage.

1209
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:17.359
Is that correct?

1210
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:18.000
Correct?

1211
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:35.680
Can have stopped at twelve oh six eighteen, again recognizing

1212
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:37.720
this is not in color, but does this appear generally

1213
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.039
consistent with the silver SUV that you were driving the

1214
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.039
Forerunner on July sixteenth, twenty twelve.

1215
01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:44.960
Yes, it does.

1216
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:04.520
I've stopped now at twenty seconds into the exhibit.

1217
01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:07.039
Do you recognize the car depict it on that screen?

1218
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:07.760
Yes?

1219
01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:09.199
And what car is at.

1220
01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:12.159
As mister Hernandez, is suv.

1221
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:13.880
And the plate was from what state?

1222
01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:15.079
Rhode Island?

1223
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.359
And do you remember that to have been the plate

1224
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:20.680
and the plate number that the car had. I believe so,

1225
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:23.159
and that what kind of car is out of tourd

1226
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:23.399
to what.

1227
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:25.119
So Toyota four runner.

1228
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:27.920
But we've seen in the video here are you driving

1229
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.439
or is mister Hernandez driving?

1230
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:54.439
If we're arriving, I should be driving, mister Bradley.

1231
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:58.319
This time again. July sixteen, twenty twelve. How well did

1232
01:10:58.359 --> 01:10:59.359
you know the city of Boston?

1233
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.079
I knew that area. I didn't really know like the

1234
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.159
city of Boston, but that particular area.

1235
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:07.439
You knew that area? And how did you get to

1236
01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:08.039
know that area?

1237
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.000
Just from fre frequenting it so much? We went out

1238
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:13.159
every time we went to Boston downtown, it was usually

1239
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:14.039
in this area.

1240
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:16.760
In the area of the s the theater district.

1241
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:17.399
Is that right right?

1242
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:20.840
Once you got to the parking grotch, you recall where

1243
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:22.439
you went to first? Did you go to to buy

1244
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:23.079
anything first?

1245
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:28.640
Ah? I believe I know we stopped that. We went

1246
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:30.800
to A seven eleven at some point. I'm just not

1247
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:31.800
exactly sure when.

1248
01:11:31.880 --> 01:12:10.119
But at first you went your you made.

1249
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:58.319
M spru just showing you what's been entered as Exhibit

1250
01:11:58.399 --> 01:11:59.000
number four.

1251
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:04.760
Does that appear to be a fair nacy representation of

1252
01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:07.159
the area of the theater just tripped to Boston?

1253
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:08.640
Yes?

1254
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:11.920
And calling your attention now to where it's marked as

1255
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.520
Club Cure. Do you also recognize something marked as seven

1256
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:16.000
to eleven?

1257
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:16.600
Yes?

1258
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.000
And were you familiar with the seven eleven that was

1259
01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:21.600
around the choir from Club Cure back of twenty twelve.

1260
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:22.119
Yes.

1261
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:27.800
Do you have any recollection of going to the seven

1262
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:29.560
eleven at the beginning of that night?

1263
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:34.119
I'm not sure if it was at the beginning. I

1264
01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:35.600
remember going to the seven eleven that.

1265
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:37.479
Night to get what, if anything.

1266
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:40.800
I believe we got gum and some blunts.

1267
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.880
And for those who may not know, what are blunts cigars?

1268
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:45.760
For what purpose?

1269
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:47.600
For roly marijuana?

1270
01:12:47.680 --> 01:13:02.560
That was the purpose I use them for, mister bred

1271
01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:06.159
And fast forwarding to one minute and thirty seconds onto

1272
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:08.760
the exhibit, do you recognize the two people coming across

1273
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:09.359
the street here?

1274
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:10.199
Yes?

1275
01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:10.800
Who is that?

1276
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:13.199
Myself and mister Hernandez.

1277
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.640
The one here on the right is who, sir?

1278
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:16.359
That's me?

1279
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:23.359
Now, mister Bredler, you indicated already your familiarity with the

1280
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:26.520
theater district of Boston. What about people from Boston or

1281
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:30.239
from Massachusetts? Did you know many people from Boston or Massachusetts?

1282
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:32.560
I don't know anyone from Boston and Massachusetts.

1283
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:34.039
You didn't know any I didn't hear.

1284
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:37.279
No, I don't really know anyone from Massachusetts.

1285
01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:39.560
And as far as you're selling of marijuana, did you

1286
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.159
sell marijuana to anybody in the Boston area in that

1287
01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:43.600
time period in Massachusetts?

1288
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:44.319
Absolutely? No.

1289
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.399
Did you sell marijuana to anyone in Massachusetts during that

1290
01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:49.279
time period?

1291
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:50.600
No?

1292
01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:56.720
And other than individuals who you may have seen at clubs,

1293
01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:00.840
did you know people who frequented the clubs were from Boston?

1294
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:03.880
No? I didn't know anyone the club in Boston.

1295
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:07.520
What about the staff of Club Cured? Did you get

1296
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:09.119
to know them over the months that you went there.

1297
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:11.439
Yeah, I knew who they were. I got familiar with

1298
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:25.920
their faces.

1299
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:28.960
I've stopped at one fifty nine and there's a group

1300
01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:31.399
of men who appear to be walking across the screen

1301
01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.279
and we see some feet coming from the top of

1302
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:34.760
the screen.

1303
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:42.359
I've gone out to two h five. Who are these

1304
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:42.880
two people?

1305
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:47.479
That's the arrow was on me and now is on

1306
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:48.960
mister Hernandez.

1307
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.640
The people who just walked by at that point. And

1308
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.439
for the record, we're at twelve twenty eight am on

1309
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:56.359
July sixteenth, twenty twelve.

1310
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:58.800
Did you recognize those people at all at that time?

1311
01:14:59.119 --> 01:14:59.600
Not at all?

1312
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:01.680
Have any interaction with them whatsoever?

1313
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:02.800
None whatsoever.

1314
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:06.000
Did the defendant Aaron Hernandez have any interaction with them?

1315
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:06.239
No?

1316
01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:08.640
Had you ever seen those people before in your life

1317
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:09.119
at that point?

1318
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:48.920
No, it's the rheta.

1319
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.640
We've gone out two minutes and forty four seconds into

1320
01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:56.640
the exhibit. Was there any interaction whatsoever at this point between.

1321
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:58.079
You and the men who are now in the line

1322
01:15:58.119 --> 01:15:58.439
of the.

1323
01:15:58.319 --> 01:15:59.800
Club, None whatsoever.

1324
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.159
Brother, I've now stopped on the exhibit. At two fifty six.

1325
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:22.720
There was a point where you seemed to be extending

1326
01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.399
your arm. Do you recall what was happening at that point?

1327
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.760
What your conversation, if any, was with mister hands.

1328
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:30.520
I don't remember what our conversation was at that point.

1329
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:31.720
When you extended your arm.

1330
01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:34.520
Were you pointing to anything or anybody in particular that

1331
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:35.000
you recall?

1332
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:40.479
No? Were you projection? Judge as they answer said up the.

1333
01:16:40.439 --> 01:17:11.199
Answeration, mister Bradley, was there a rule that you're aware of,

1334
01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:13.319
uh relative to hats at at club Cure?

1335
01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:16.359
Yeah? No hats were allowed as uh.

1336
01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:18.560
Did somebody uh direct you to take your hat off

1337
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:19.840
at that point?

1338
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:22.000
Uh? I I believe so.

1339
01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:26.760
And what do we see you doing now? Are you

1340
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:27.800
handing the hat to somebody.

1341
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:32.520
It looks that way. There's there's a big glare on

1342
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.680
my screen. So uh but yeah, I I l it

1343
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:38.479
looks like I that gentleman right there is holding my hat, Yes,

1344
01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:43.760
right virtual, why's trump you man? Yeah, it's it's a

1345
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:50.439
huge glare right here. I'm screened probably f Yeah, that's

1346
01:17:50.520 --> 01:18:46.720
better right there now.

1347
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:49.199
At this point, mister Bradley in the the video, to

1348
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:51.640
the best of your knowledge, was the gun still in

1349
01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:52.800
the engine block of the car?

1350
01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:53.880
Or had it been taken out?

1351
01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:56.479
That you recall it was still in the engine block?

1352
01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:08.479
I stopped at uh six seventeen at the time. Did

1353
01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:10.720
you know the individual here in the braids?

1354
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:11.319
No?

1355
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:13.319
Had you ever met him before in your life?

1356
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:13.760
No?

1357
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:17.079
You ever heard of him before in your life?

1358
01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:17.560
Never?

1359
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:20.399
Any of the people we see with him, had you

1360
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:22.000
ever met any of them prior to that?

1361
01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:23.199
None?

1362
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:01.880
Who's the brother?

1363
01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:05.239
Stopped at six fifty one of the video? Do you

1364
01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:07.079
recognize the two people coming in here where I have

1365
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:07.640
the cursing?

1366
01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:12.000
He knows who is that? Who? Myself and mister hernan is.

1367
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:14.399
And the gentleman who seems to be leading you or

1368
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:15.680
walking you in? Did you know him?

1369
01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:19.640
Yeah? Yeah, from going up there. Uh, he was. He

1370
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:22.199
was usually there when we went. He was usual to

1371
01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:24.279
guy the kind of took care of us.

1372
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:26.319
I didn't hear that. He was kind of the guy

1373
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:27.279
who what he was usually the.

1374
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:29.560
Guy that took care of us. He usually escorted us

1375
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:31.199
down when we arrived.

1376
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:33.000
Do you remember his name? No?

1377
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:06.359
Now, mister Bradley, When you went downstairs into club Cure,

1378
01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:09.079
where did you and mister Harnandez go first?

1379
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:10.199
We went to the bar.

1380
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:12.920
Did you go to the bar together, meaning the same

1381
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:14.600
area of the bar, or did you go to separate

1382
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:15.159
parts of the bar.

1383
01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:17.319
We walked to the bar together and then we went

1384
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:19.199
to separate sections of the bar.

1385
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:21.279
Hills, What do you mean by that?

1386
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:24.319
Mister Hernandez went off towards the right and I went

1387
01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:28.159
off towards the left side of the bar. It's different bartenders.

1388
01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.279
Why did you go to different bartenders?

1389
01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:35.680
If you want? I mean, those appear to be the

1390
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:38.159
open spots, you know, just go where I could get

1391
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:38.840
in those ring.

1392
01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:43.359
I'm showing you what's been entered as Exhibit number thirty eight.

1393
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:46.039
Do you recognize that, sir?

1394
01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:47.000
Yes?

1395
01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:49.279
And does that appear to be a club Cure at

1396
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:51.000
least club cure after renovations.

1397
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:54.279
Yes, what is the placement of the bar still the

1398
01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:58.560
same as it was back in twenty twelve? Repeat that

1399
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:00.600
police is the place is the bar at least the

1400
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:05.680
bar area here the same as Yes, you indicated that

1401
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:07.760
you and mister Hernanda has walked up to the bar.

1402
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:09.079
What side did he go to?

1403
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:12.680
He went off towards the right over here, Yeah, towards

1404
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.279
that side. Where did you go towards the left side?

1405
01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:17.039
Did you get a drink?

1406
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:18.399
Yes? I did.

1407
01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:21.760
Did you see whether or not the defendant, Aaron Hernande's

1408
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:22.239
got a drink?

1409
01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:27.640
Yes, he had got a drink or two, a.

1410
01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:28.359
Drink or two.

1411
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:28.920
Yes.

1412
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:32.439
Why do you think too, because.

1413
01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:34.920
A lot of times when we drink, we would get

1414
01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:38.720
a shot of something and then another mixed drink, so

1415
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:40.279
we have two drinks.

1416
01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:43.920
So was there a period here that we're talking about

1417
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:46.600
when you're getting your drink, he's getting his drink Where

1418
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:47.399
you too were apart?

1419
01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:48.479
Yes?

1420
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:52.039
And did you ever see him go off with a

1421
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:53.439
fan to get a picture taken?

1422
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:56.800
No, I don't recall him taking a picture with the fan.

1423
01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:58.960
But was there a time that you were apart? That

1424
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:00.279
could have been when he got.

1425
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:02.000
A picture with a fan Jackson.

1426
01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:05.640
Well, well, how far how long were you guys apart

1427
01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:07.680
when you went downstairs and we got drinks?

1428
01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:12.399
Not very long, I guess, as long as it would

1429
01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:15.199
have taken for us to both get drinks on Chepara's

1430
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:17.039
and the bar. I mean, I don't know.

1431
01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:20.239
After you got your drink, when was the next point

1432
01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:25.439
you saw of the defendant, Aaron Hernandez from what did

1433
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:25.920
you see him?

1434
01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:26.600
Did he come to you?

1435
01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:27.640
Did you go to him?

1436
01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:29.039
What happened next?

1437
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:31.960
Oh? I just turned away from the bar after I

1438
01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:34.359
got a drink, and I believe I turned it, looked

1439
01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:37.359
over and we just kind of both met up somewhere

1440
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:38.800
in the middle over there near the bar.

1441
01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:41.520
And can you that's a touch screen where you are,

1442
01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:44.079
mister Bradley, Can you show where the two of you met.

1443
01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:50.760
Up somewhere in this area right here, right there, we.

1444
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:54.159
Have the green dot when you met up. When you

1445
01:24:54.279 --> 01:24:56.479
met up? Did he have a drink or two?

1446
01:24:57.079 --> 01:24:57.239
Yes?

1447
01:24:57.640 --> 01:24:58.479
Did you have a drink?

1448
01:24:59.520 --> 01:24:59.680
Yes?

1449
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:03.520
Did you uh start to have a conversation of any type?

1450
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.039
I believe just a casual conversation. I don't remember exactly

1451
01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:08.680
about what, but.

1452
01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:12.479
Just as you were standing there, mister Bradley with with

1453
01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:14.199
mister Hernandez. What happened next?

1454
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.520
We were standing there and there was some gentlemen off

1455
01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:23.439
not really too far from where we were standing, but

1456
01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:24.039
more to the.

1457
01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:28.560
Right, more to the right side this side over here, yes,

1458
01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:32.239
and uh there.

1459
01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:34.479
Was there was a group of guys, and one of

1460
01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:37.199
the gentlemen was dancing, and he kind of danced his

1461
01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:39.079
way over to where we were standing.

1462
01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:45.319
So he went in this direction here, yes, And as

1463
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:47.359
he danced over, uh, to where you were standing.

1464
01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:48.279
What happened next?

1465
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:53.119
He bumped into mister Hernandez and his drink splashed up

1466
01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:56.159
and spilled on mister Hernandez and some guy on myself

1467
01:25:56.199 --> 01:25:56.520
as well.

1468
01:25:57.039 --> 01:25:58.600
How much of the drink a lot of it or

1469
01:25:58.600 --> 01:25:59.640
a little or no?

1470
01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:03.800
Just like like a splash more or less, I would say,

1471
01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:05.119
like the drink splash.

1472
01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:06.960
So wasn't it the whole drink didn't spill?

1473
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:07.199
No?

1474
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:09.800
And how much splashed?

1475
01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:14.720
Just some drops? Like I mean, I don't know how

1476
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:17.000
to explain it, but a splash like the drink splash?

1477
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:19.520
Did it get on your clothes right, mister Hernandez's clothes

1478
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:21.960
that he saw on mister Hernandez and a little bit

1479
01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:22.439
on myself.

1480
01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:22.640
Too.

1481
01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:25.560
Do you know what part of the clothing it got

1482
01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:26.920
on me?

1483
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:29.399
It was on my arm. I got splashed on my arm.

1484
01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:32.640
I don't know like exactly where it was on mister Hernandez.

1485
01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:34.800
Did you see the stains on his pants or on

1486
01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:36.000
his shirt or anything like that?

1487
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.239
No, I just saw the whole drink splash thing. I

1488
01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:40.159
saw the splash, but I didn't see like stains. No.

1489
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:44.239
When the man bumped into him, was the man's back

1490
01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:47.000
to mister Hernandez or was he facing him?

1491
01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:48.880
It was kind of like the side of his body.

1492
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:52.760
He bumped it like with decided maybe the shoulder type

1493
01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:53.000
of thing.

1494
01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:54.760
And what was he doing when he bumped him?

1495
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:57.239
Did you appear to be he was? He danced his

1496
01:26:57.319 --> 01:27:00.119
way over there like he bumped him in rhythm, like

1497
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.439
he made it a pairs though he bumped why he

1498
01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:05.000
was dancing?

1499
01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:09.600
And the man who you saw bump him while dancing?

1500
01:27:10.359 --> 01:27:12.640
Have you seen him on the screen so far yet today?

1501
01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:16.039
Yes? It was, Yes, I did. And who was that

1502
01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:19.880
the gentleman? You asked me if I saw him earlier

1503
01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:21.399
with the braves? If I ever saw him before?

1504
01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:30.079
And is that the individual I have the curse around here?

1505
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:30.319
Sir?

1506
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:40.840
Yes, when he bumped mister Hernandez. What was the reaction

1507
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:41.680
from both of them.

1508
01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:46.840
Mister Hernandez got mad, he turned towards him, and I mean,

1509
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:50.680
I'm not sure if he did get words out or whatever,

1510
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.720
but he turned towards the individual and he was upset

1511
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:54.079
about it.

1512
01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:56.279
What made you think he was upset? What did you

1513
01:27:56.359 --> 01:27:57.560
notice about his demeanor?

1514
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:03.000
Because he turned angryly, you know, like he turned like

1515
01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:06.359
he was he turned in a manner in which he

1516
01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:08.640
was going to make a conversation out of the issue.

1517
01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:09.880
Did you say anything.

1518
01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:13.720
I don't remember him getting many words out. No, I

1519
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:16.600
don't remember him saying too much, but he turned and

1520
01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:19.159
what did the man with the braids do? The individual

1521
01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:21.720
with the braids was laughing, He smirked. He was kind

1522
01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:24.319
of laughing at the whole situation. He was aware of.

1523
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.920
Was he facing mister Hernandez at that point, Yes, and

1524
01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:29.079
he smirked at him.

1525
01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:30.920
Yes, he laughed. He was aware of the fact that

1526
01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:34.239
the bunk just occurred. He knew what just happened, and

1527
01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:35.159
he smirked about it.

1528
01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:37.960
What was mister Hernanda's reaction to the smirk?

1529
01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:42.159
Mister Hearnandis was upset about the incident, the fact that

1530
01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:44.600
he bumped into him, and that the individual you know,

1531
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.640
didn't show respect and apologize. He just bumped into him

1532
01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:48.239
and laughed about it.

1533
01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:51.680
And where were you at this point on the.

1534
01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:54.359
Other side of mister Hearnanda standing side by side with

1535
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:55.760
mister Hernandus.

1536
01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:57.880
You're side his side? Do you remembers on his right

1537
01:28:57.920 --> 01:28:58.760
side or his left side?

1538
01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:03.199
If you're a on his far side? So the way

1539
01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:06.359
we were facing, I was on the left side of

1540
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:09.560
the green dot from how the screens raising me on the.

1541
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:10.520
Left side of the green dot.

1542
01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:14.239
Yes, Now did that man with the braids who bumped

1543
01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:16.479
into mister Hernandez and then smiled at him?

1544
01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:18.079
Was he with anybody else that you could tell?

1545
01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:22.439
Yeah, there was another group of individuals still standing in

1546
01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:25.760
the spot that he was before he danced his way

1547
01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:26.159
over there.

1548
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.159
So where was that spot if you could estimate?

1549
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:32.479
Not as far over as this purple book, the original

1550
01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:35.239
one you made, but right around here somewhere.

1551
01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:38.520
How many how many people did you see with him?

1552
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:42.920
I believed there was at least four individuals with him.

1553
01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:48.760
What do they look like? Darker complexed? They appeared to

1554
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.239
be a couple of them appeared to be African American

1555
01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:54.600
and that's pretty much how they look.

1556
01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:57.479
And the man with the braids, w was his skin

1557
01:29:57.600 --> 01:29:58.479
tone and color?

1558
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:03.960
He appeared to be spinning light, light skin, solder like myself.

1559
01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:05.720
And any of the others in the group. Did they

1560
01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:07.159
appear to be light skinned or were the rest of

1561
01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:07.760
dark skinned?

1562
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:11.640
There was some brown skin and I think I recall

1563
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:16.800
one dark skinned guy and yeah, that was that. I

1564
01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:18.880
think they appeared to be darker skinned.

1565
01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:23.760
Did they appear to be part of Well, let me

1566
01:30:23.800 --> 01:30:24.439
back up a little bit.

1567
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:28.720
When the bump happens, and you said, mister Hernandez turned

1568
01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:32.279
to the individual, the individual smiled. Was that man that

1569
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:35.000
of the braids with anybody else meeting? Was anybody else

1570
01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:36.840
right next to him? Or were they further apart?

1571
01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:42.720
Excuse me? They were closer to the original spot he

1572
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:46.000
was prior to bumping into us, but they weren't far.

1573
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:48.239
All of this is in close proximity. They weren't that far.

1574
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:53.239
What happens after what you've described where mister Hernandan's got angry.

1575
01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:54.720
What happened next.

1576
01:30:56.159 --> 01:31:00.560
Once mister Hernandez turned towards the individual kind of grabbed

1577
01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:02.760
him by his He had a sure stage teeth. I

1578
01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:04.840
kind of touched him on his collar and was like, no,

1579
01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:06.960
let's just get out of here, you know, to avoid

1580
01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:07.479
the conflict.

1581
01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:08.640
Why did you do that?

1582
01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:12.800
Because I knew something was brewing. If I didn't do that,

1583
01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:14.319
it was we were gonna have an issue in there.

1584
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:15.920
What would make you think that?

1585
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:20.800
Because his temper, his temper, the way he was, he

1586
01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:24.079
was just agitated, and I just knew what would happen.

1587
01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:27.840
Now, mister Bradley, the prior occasions, the two instances you

1588
01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:31.159
talked about at Venue and in Manchester, you indicated those

1589
01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:32.279
times he stayed in the club.

1590
01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:35.239
Is that right, but this time you wanted to leave.

1591
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:35.800
Yes?

1592
01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:36.520
Why was that?

1593
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:40.840
Because I didn't want conflict. I didn't come up there

1594
01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:43.720
for that and just to avoid it. Plus he was

1595
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:45.720
in a position in his life where, you know, he

1596
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.399
didn't really need that, so I just figured we could

1597
01:31:48.399 --> 01:31:49.760
get out of it. There's other spots around.

1598
01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:50.720
What did you say to him?

1599
01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:53.239
He said, no, come on, let's get out of here.

1600
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:55.319
You know, I don't worry about it. It's nothing.

1601
01:31:55.680 --> 01:31:58.760
Did the man with the braids say anything to mister Hernandez.

1602
01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:02.079
I'm not exactly sure. I don't believe he did, but

1603
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:05.680
he was standing there laughing, kind of laughing about the

1604
01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:06.720
thing about the situation.

1605
01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:10.239
And if you could aestimate how long did this encounter take?

1606
01:32:12.039 --> 01:32:16.479
Sure it was real quick, maybe the whole thing, maybe

1607
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:19.119
a minute, the whole encounter.

1608
01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:24.039
And at that point you said you got you told

1609
01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:25.359
mister hands you should leave the club?

1610
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:26.680
Is that right? Yeah? That we should leave?

1611
01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:26.960
Yeah?

1612
01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:29.439
Did you ever hear mister Handers say anything to the

1613
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:30.840
man with the braids before he left?

1614
01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:33.319
Nah? I don't believe he got very many words out,

1615
01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:35.079
because I was already on top of it fast.

1616
01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:37.680
But did you hear any words that he got out?

1617
01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:44.159
Maybe one swear? Like I'm not positive. I think he

1618
01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:47.279
was starting to say something and then I don't recall

1619
01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:48.199
exactly what he said.

1620
01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:52.199
What happened once you started to walk away? Did you

1621
01:32:52.319 --> 01:32:52.880
leave the club?

1622
01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:54.119
Yes? We left.

1623
01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:08.720
As you went up the stairs of the club. Was

1624
01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:11.840
there any conversation further about what had just happened.

1625
01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:14.880
Coming up the stairs? Coming up the stairs, I don't

1626
01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:17.600
recall it what the exact conversation was. I just you know,

1627
01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:19.199
I was we were just trying to get out of there.

1628
01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:20.319
We were getting out of there.

1629
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:26.840
Now.

1630
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:30.640
I fast forwarded the exhibit to eight minutes and twenty seconds.

1631
01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:32.520
Is that you there, sir?

1632
01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:33.319
Yes?

1633
01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:35.680
And the person here, so what.

1634
01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:36.399
Was their name? Is?

1635
01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:39.319
What is he doing in the video?

1636
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:43.159
If you know he just finished up two drinks, well

1637
01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:47.000
it looks like two drinks and I could see a

1638
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:49.079
phone in his hand and then that's it. We just left.

1639
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:50.600
Do you have any idea what he was doing with

1640
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:51.079
the phone?

1641
01:33:51.600 --> 01:34:14.640
None, it's better.

1642
01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:17.920
I've stopped at eight fifty seven. Can you describe what

1643
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:19.960
we see on the video and what and the best

1644
01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:21.279
of your memory is happening right now?

1645
01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:24.840
He was mad. I don't remember his exact words, but

1646
01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:26.960
what he's he was saying something along the lines of,

1647
01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:30.720
you know, he was pissed. He can't stand when people

1648
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:32.600
try to play him same thing, trying 'em.

1649
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:44.680
What was his uh demeanor and attitude like at this point, sir?

1650
01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:46.199
He was upset.

1651
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:17.880
Yeah, just stopping at UH nine forty two and it's

1652
01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:20.399
twelve forty in the morning on the sixteenth of July.

1653
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:23.119
Where were you headed at this point? It seems like

1654
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:26.279
you're following mister Hernandez. Did he indicate where he was going?

1655
01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:27.920
No?

1656
01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:30.039
I I mean I know when we left, I know

1657
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:32.960
thee other places in the area. So I was explaining

1658
01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:34.479
saying on him at some point, let's just go to

1659
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:37.000
another place, like another bar, somewhere else.

1660
01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:46.520
I'm mister Bradley.

1661
01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:48.720
I'm letting the the tape play and their appears now

1662
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:53.039
at twelve forty and eleven and twenty seven seconds, you

1663
01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:56.159
have your arms, both arms extended outwards.

1664
01:35:56.560 --> 01:35:59.319
What are you saying if you recall at this point, cause.

1665
01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:01.880
At that point engaging in a discussion in what he's saying.

1666
01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:06.000
You know, he was mad at the disrespect over what

1667
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:06.600
just happened.

1668
01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:08.680
What did he say about the disrespect? But words he

1669
01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:09.079
recalled me.

1670
01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:12.359
He was just mad about the whole drink spell situation.

1671
01:36:12.520 --> 01:36:15.319
I mean, I don't remember his exact exact words, so

1672
01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:17.159
I can't give you you know, exactly what he said.

1673
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:21.319
But he was upset, And you say why the drink

1674
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:22.359
situation made him mad?

1675
01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:27.680
Jokes? He just answer, come back from the conversation. Another question.

1676
01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:29.760
But do you remember any part of the conversation as

1677
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:33.920
you're walking on the sidewalk, Yes, the conversation, That whole

1678
01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:38.520
conversation right there is me explaining to him that it's

1679
01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:39.520
not that big of a deal.

1680
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:42.399
And even if it is, to him, he can't we

1681
01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:44.840
can't go in places like that and get into that

1682
01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:46.600
type of trouble because he has too much to lose,

1683
01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.520
so it's not worth it all the time to just.

1684
01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:53.039
What was his reaction to you saying that to him?

1685
01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:58.039
Yeah, I know, but still I hate when people try me,

1686
01:36:58.359 --> 01:36:58.960
try to play me.

1687
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:03.640
Did you say try me, try me?

1688
01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:10.720
That's that's the phrase he always used, no overworld, And

1689
01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:13.479
what did you understand that the term the phrase try

1690
01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:13.840
me to me?

1691
01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:19.880
Jess And this has been ask in company sustained moved.

1692
01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:24.840
On, sirround the video that I've played. You walked almost

1693
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:27.439
to the entrance to the garage. Now you're walking back.

1694
01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:28.960
What's happening now, sir?

1695
01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:35.880
We're still just having that same conversation, and I mean,

1696
01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:37.199
that's what I recall of it. We're still having the

1697
01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:40.239
same conversation, the same thing. I'm still I'm explaining to him.

1698
01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:43.319
But had you ever had a similar conversation with him

1699
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.640
in the past plenty of times?

1700
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:48.079
How many times.

1701
01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:53.079
I can't put an exact number on it, but multiple times?

1702
01:37:57.760 --> 01:38:01.439
And what were the circumstances of those multiple times similar conversations?

1703
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:02.760
Did they involve nightclubs?

1704
01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:05.079
Always involved nightclubs?

1705
01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:09.399
And what was it that led to that similar conversation

1706
01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:10.680
you had multiple times.

1707
01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:14.920
Stares, people staring at 'em too much, too long, too

1708
01:38:15.000 --> 01:39:12.159
much eye contact, when things like that. Did you just

1709
01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:12.479
see what?

1710
01:39:12.640 --> 01:39:14.119
What? What just appeared on the screen, sir?

1711
01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:33.199
No, I didn't e think fIF think.

1712
01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:47.800
Did you just see mister Hannis.

1713
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:55.479
Do something there? Uh? I saw some gesture? Yes, hm?

1714
01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:11.680
And what yestades?

1715
01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:12.279
Did you see?

1716
01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:15.319
Ah? When he put us that's when we went across

1717
01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:16.600
the street to the other place.

1718
01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:18.680
Did you see him do something with his hands before that?

1719
01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:19.119
Yes?

1720
01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:19.880
What did he do?

1721
01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:22.840
That was the alright, let's just go and cause I

1722
01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:25.319
was trying to get him, let's just go into another spot,

1723
01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:27.239
and he agreed to it, and we just went over

1724
01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:28.319
there to the spot across the.

1725
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:44.199
Street again at forty two ten? Are you again we're

1726
01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:46.800
putting your hands out stretched, mister Bradley? What what's going

1727
01:40:46.840 --> 01:40:47.680
on in this conversation?

1728
01:40:50.199 --> 01:40:52.560
Oh, we're still having that same conversation. It's just all

1729
01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:55.119
of this right here is just me telling him, you know,

1730
01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:58.920
it's not that serious like the situation. You know, it's

1731
01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:04.039
not that serious. Knows, rude, I knows, you know, disrespectful,

1732
01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:07.479
but it's not worth making the issue out of it.

1733
01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:12.399
And I've stopped at the exhibit twelve minutes. Also the

1734
01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:16.760
screen time twelve forty two twenty eight seconds ninety one

1735
01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:17.560
tenths of a second.

1736
01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:19.960
Does mister Anders have his hands on his hips?

1737
01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:21.880
Yes, it appears.

1738
01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:28.119
And you appear to be doing something with your hands.

1739
01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:30.119
What are you doing there, sir?

1740
01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:34.439
Expressing something? I mean with still having a conversation. I'm

1741
01:41:34.479 --> 01:41:36.720
expressive in that way with my hands when I talk

1742
01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:40.479
so exactly. I couldn't tell you what that gesture with

1743
01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:43.600
my hand meant. But we are still carrying on the

1744
01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:46.399
conversation about what transpired inside.

1745
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:49.079
And what was his demeanor? Was he calm now or

1746
01:41:49.119 --> 01:41:49.720
still angry?

1747
01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.239
What was he like? No, he's upset about the thing.

1748
01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:54.960
Still he stayed upset about it.

1749
01:42:21.239 --> 01:42:23.439
Then, mister Brellley, on the video, we saw that you

1750
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.600
went across the street. Where did you and mister Harnandez

1751
01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:27.039
go next?

1752
01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:28.960
Went to a bar across the street?

1753
01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:30.520
Do you remember which bar?

1754
01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:33.560
Yes, it's called Caprice. Caprice, well that's what it was

1755
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:34.199
called at the time.

1756
01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:36.199
Yes, And is that c A P R I ce?

1757
01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:37.159
Yes?

1758
01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:40.359
And where is that located in relation to cure us?

1759
01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:43.720
Across the street A little? I mean across the street

1760
01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:44.560
and a little further.

1761
01:42:44.479 --> 01:42:49.159
Up and showing you on exhibit four. Is it basically

1762
01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:50.520
in this area here, sir?

1763
01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:53.000
Yes?

1764
01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:56.279
Is there a hotel that's attached to it?

1765
01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:56.920
Yes?

1766
01:42:57.439 --> 01:42:58.199
What hotel is at?

1767
01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:00.199
If you recall holiday? I believe.

1768
01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:04.199
When you went across the street to Capri, did you

1769
01:43:04.399 --> 01:43:05.920
were you greeted by somebody at the door?

1770
01:43:06.439 --> 01:43:06.640
Yes?

1771
01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:08.640
What do you recall about that person?

1772
01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:13.319
Excuse me? It was a sure Hispanic mail who came

1773
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:16.079
up to us when we first arrived. He was offering

1774
01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:19.079
us some type of service. I believe it was either

1775
01:43:19.640 --> 01:43:21.800
maybe bottle or a table or something like that.

1776
01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:24.560
Did he appear to recognize mister Hernandez or was he

1777
01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:26.000
offering that to everybody who came up.

1778
01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:28.800
No, I believe he recognized us or mister Hernandiz, I

1779
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:29.199
should say.

1780
01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:34.079
Once the offer of of table service was given. Did

1781
01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:35.960
was there a further conversation with the man?

1782
01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:38.760
Oh? Yeah, we declined and he wind up giving me

1783
01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:42.760
a car some sort Whereas he's a promoter, so he

1784
01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:44.680
gave me a card to contact him if we ever

1785
01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:45.520
wanted to come over there.

1786
01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:48.920
Where did your mister Randez go after that? Did you

1787
01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:49.920
go into the club Capri?

1788
01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:51.000
Yes, we went in.

1789
01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:53.960
When did you decline table service? Did you go to

1790
01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:54.239
the bar?

1791
01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:55.399
Yes, we went to the bar.

1792
01:43:56.279 --> 01:43:57.960
When you got to the bar, did you get a drink?

1793
01:43:58.760 --> 01:43:58.960
Yes?

1794
01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:03.159
What happened once you were at the bar Capri having

1795
01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:05.359
a drink? Did you or mister Hernandez noticed something?

1796
01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:10.159
Oh? Yes, mister Hernandez turned around and was like, see

1797
01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:12.479
see it's like it's them as one of them. And

1798
01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:15.720
there was a gentleman that came inside who I thought

1799
01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:18.920
was a gentleman from the club as well. So it

1800
01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:21.159
did appear to be a gentle like it appeared as

1801
01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:23.479
though we got kind of followed over there, like someone

1802
01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:24.520
came out and went over there.

1803
01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:26.680
What was mister Hernander's reaction?

1804
01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:30.880
He got more upset in what way?

1805
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:31.960
What did you notice.

1806
01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:35.479
He was more upset. He was saying to me like

1807
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:40.119
see see type of thing, trying to you know, boster

1808
01:44:40.199 --> 01:44:42.159
his claim that he was being tested and they were

1809
01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:42.720
following him.

1810
01:44:44.359 --> 01:44:46.119
And then what did you say that, mister Hernandez in

1811
01:44:46.159 --> 01:44:50.880
response to that, let's leave here too. What was his

1812
01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:53.680
level of agitation at this point?

1813
01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:59.319
Sir? He was agitated. I mean it just it was heightened,

1814
01:44:59.399 --> 01:45:02.119
you know, it was boosted up again. Oh more than

1815
01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:02.760
already was.

1816
01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.960
Did he make any more reference to being tried or tested?

1817
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:11.199
I don't know if that was the exact term, but

1818
01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:13.640
he was like see that, you know, there they go

1819
01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:14.640
type of thing.

1820
01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:17.720
They You indicated, mister Bradley, that you decide. You told

1821
01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:19.000
mister hands and let's leave.

1822
01:45:19.079 --> 01:45:19.640
Did you leave?

1823
01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:20.760
We left right away?

1824
01:45:24.399 --> 01:45:27.520
And calling your attention back to the video exhibit at

1825
01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:32.640
one oh five, do you recognize the two people coming

1826
01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:33.399
across the street?

1827
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:34.199
Yes?

1828
01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:36.199
Is that you and mister Hernandez.

1829
01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:36.720
Yes?

1830
01:45:37.560 --> 01:45:40.600
Is this when you left Capri after seeing somebody you

1831
01:45:40.680 --> 01:45:41.760
thought was with that group?

1832
01:45:42.159 --> 01:46:08.800
Yes, it looks like you.

1833
01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:11.479
Mister Harnandi's just did a fist pump? What was that about?

1834
01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:22.760
If you know exactly? I don't know what, mister.

1835
01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:26.079
Rather, I've stopped at thirteen forty four. What was your

1836
01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:28.920
height and weight at that time? Were you bigger than

1837
01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:29.399
you are now?

1838
01:46:30.039 --> 01:46:30.239
Yes?

1839
01:46:31.199 --> 01:46:32.119
Do you know what your weight was?

1840
01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:35.079
I was almost too sixty dead.

1841
01:46:46.479 --> 01:46:50.399
Just stopping at thirteen fifty one? Again, is your your

1842
01:46:50.439 --> 01:46:52.800
face no disrespect a little a little rounder than it

1843
01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:53.159
is now?

1844
01:46:54.279 --> 01:46:54.479
Yes?

1845
01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:01.760
And the person here is who sir mister Nandez? Are

1846
01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:03.079
these the clothes you let him borrow.

1847
01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:04.039
Yes.

1848
01:47:05.960 --> 01:47:07.279
What about what's around his neck?

1849
01:47:07.359 --> 01:47:10.359
Do you know what that is? And appears to be.

1850
01:47:12.399 --> 01:47:15.960
Some some chains or necklaces or looks like rosary beads

1851
01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:18.159
to me, rosary beads. Did you give those to him

1852
01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:19.319
or did he have those on his own?

1853
01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:22.159
Oh? Those are his? Those belonging to mister Hernandez.

1854
01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:25.680
The two hats that you're wearing, mister Bradley, yours being

1855
01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:27.800
what appears to be Is that a red Phillies hat?

1856
01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:28.399
Yes?

1857
01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:30.399
And do you know what kind of hat he's wearing

1858
01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:31.319
the defendant?

1859
01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:34.479
That's a Cardinals hat? And is it? Uh?

1860
01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:35.319
What what color?

1861
01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:36.760
Gray? And orange?

1862
01:47:52.920 --> 01:47:55.319
Mister Bradley, I have advanced to fourteen oh four on

1863
01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:57.840
the exhibit. Would you recognize the car now leaving?

1864
01:47:58.319 --> 01:47:58.520
Yes?

1865
01:47:58.760 --> 01:47:59.399
Which car is that?

1866
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:01.520
It's mister Arnandez's SUV?

1867
01:48:02.479 --> 01:48:04.560
And can you tell from the video who's driving?

1868
01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:07.119
Mister Hernandez is driving. I'm in a passenger seat.

1869
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.439
Now did you do you recall him driving that night

1870
01:48:11.560 --> 01:48:13.119
or did you do you think you were driving the

1871
01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:13.800
night the whole night?

1872
01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:16.239
No? Originally I thought I was driving at this point too,

1873
01:48:16.399 --> 01:48:17.119
so the whole night.

1874
01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:22.439
So you were ultimately showing this video and it refreshed

1875
01:48:22.479 --> 01:48:24.840
your recollection that he was driving at some point. Correct,

1876
01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:29.880
mister Bradley, you appear to be leaning back significantly. How

1877
01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:31.159
do you keep your seat when you.

1878
01:48:31.239 --> 01:48:31.760
Ride in a car?

1879
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:37.319
Jack to Love you say, how do you keep your seat?

1880
01:48:37.359 --> 01:48:38.920
How do you sit in your seat when you get

1881
01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:39.840
into a car.

1882
01:48:41.319 --> 01:48:42.199
Somewhat reclined?

1883
01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:45.279
Do you always do that? Or is that just something

1884
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:46.840
you do at certain times?

1885
01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:49.039
I usually do?

1886
01:48:55.199 --> 01:48:56.800
Do you sit like that even when you drive?

1887
01:48:57.760 --> 01:48:57.960
Yes?

1888
01:48:58.119 --> 01:49:03.720
Actually, hit dude, sit like that when you're in a

1889
01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:06.159
passenger seat, a driver's seat, or in the back seat.

1890
01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:17.560
Yes, I usually sit reclined, mister Bradley.

1891
01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:20.239
For the record, we're fourteen minutes and twenty seconds into

1892
01:49:20.319 --> 01:49:23.439
the exhibit. It's one sixteen in the morning. Was that

1893
01:49:23.560 --> 01:49:26.000
the silver SUV that you were a passenger and that's

1894
01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:27.359
now pulled out of the parking garage?

1895
01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:27.800
Yes?

1896
01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:36.039
Where did you go from there?

1897
01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:39.800
Sir? We made a right at some point down there

1898
01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:44.520
and we went to a street to the right, or

1899
01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:47.600
we made it right and we went to where did

1900
01:49:47.640 --> 01:49:50.159
you go? I mean, I don't know the name of

1901
01:49:50.199 --> 01:49:51.920
the street, but we made it right and went to

1902
01:49:52.760 --> 01:49:54.960
another street. Parked on another street.

1903
01:49:55.600 --> 01:49:57.039
Do you know what street that was or what it

1904
01:49:57.119 --> 01:49:59.399
was next to any landmarks establishments?

1905
01:50:01.039 --> 01:50:08.640
Uh, I remember like a funny split in the road

1906
01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:11.319
maybe where I mean, I don't know the name of

1907
01:50:11.319 --> 01:50:15.119
those streets, but it's kind of like a I don't

1908
01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:19.640
not explaining, like like maybe like a small boulevard like

1909
01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:24.520
with the road splits. Uh, we went right. We parked

1910
01:50:24.560 --> 01:50:27.319
over there somewhere. I don't know the names of those streets.

1911
01:50:27.399 --> 01:50:30.239
So once you parked, did you get out of the car, Yes,

1912
01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:31.000
Where did you go?

1913
01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:36.840
We walked? We were walking on whatever down whatever street

1914
01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:38.920
that whatever area that is over there. We were walking

1915
01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:42.039
and just smoking and just we walking smoked for a while.

1916
01:50:42.359 --> 01:50:46.760
What were you smoking marijuana when you were walking? Did

1917
01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:48.439
you were you're playing to go anywhere? Were you just

1918
01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:51.880
generally walking around? We were just walking and just smoking

1919
01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:52.600
and talking.

1920
01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:55.239
About How long do you think you were out walking

1921
01:50:55.760 --> 01:50:56.760
and smoking and talking.

1922
01:50:57.520 --> 01:51:00.600
Uh, I don't know exactly, but a l a little

1923
01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:04.600
while maybe, I want to say, maybe a half hour

1924
01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:07.680
or something not, you know, I don't know exactly.

1925
01:51:07.880 --> 01:51:10.600
After walking for around a half an hour, as you said,

1926
01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:12.840
did you eventually go back to where the car was parked.

1927
01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:13.319
Yes?

1928
01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:17.279
And at this point did you get into the driver's.

1929
01:51:16.920 --> 01:51:18.840
Seat of the passenger seat driver's seat.

1930
01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:20.880
I'm where did mister Hernandez go?

1931
01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:25.079
What's he did he go? Saying yes, the passenger seat.

1932
01:51:25.239 --> 01:51:27.239
At any point? Did he go somewhere before getting in

1933
01:51:27.319 --> 01:51:28.159
the passenger seat.

1934
01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:31.720
Yes, he removed the firearm from out of the hood

1935
01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:32.039
of the car.

1936
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:33.800
How did you know that? Did you see that?

1937
01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:34.880
Yeah? I saw it.

1938
01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:38.640
When he did. Did he pop the hood or did

1939
01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:39.279
you pop the hood?

1940
01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:40.359
He popped his own hood.

1941
01:51:40.720 --> 01:51:43.359
He popped his own hood. And when you saw him

1942
01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:45.479
after he pop the hood, did you see him reach

1943
01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:46.239
to a certain area?

1944
01:51:47.319 --> 01:51:47.479
Yes?

1945
01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:48.640
What part.

1946
01:51:50.199 --> 01:51:51.880
Like? I mean, I don't know what exact parts of

1947
01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:56.279
the engine, but he reached into like a side or

1948
01:51:56.359 --> 01:51:57.920
off to the side and grabbed the firearm.

1949
01:51:58.439 --> 01:51:59.359
Did you see the firearm?

1950
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:00.199
Yes?

1951
01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:01.159
What did he do with it?

1952
01:52:01.239 --> 01:52:02.600
After he got it out of the engine block?

1953
01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:04.880
Placed it in the glove box inside the car.

1954
01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:07.760
The glovebox meaning the glove compartment.

1955
01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:09.439
Glove compartment right next to where the path, right in

1956
01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:12.279
front of where the passenger sits. Correct, what happened next

1957
01:52:12.319 --> 01:52:16.920
to her? We drove off and we drove back.

1958
01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:20.119
I believe we did. A couple were just driving for

1959
01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:21.960
a little bit, we wind up doing a couple of

1960
01:52:22.039 --> 01:52:25.960
rounds around the area, a couple of laps, and ultimately

1961
01:52:26.039 --> 01:52:28.399
we wind up parking past the garage on the left.

1962
01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:31.800
Now, what time was it in relation to when the

1963
01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:33.039
clubs let out at this point, sir?

1964
01:52:33.079 --> 01:52:35.039
If you recall, it was almost time for the clubs

1965
01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:35.479
to let out.

1966
01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:59.560
Now on this exhibit, I've stopped at twenty three seventeen

1967
01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:02.239
the silver suv that we see here, So does that

1968
01:53:02.600 --> 01:53:04.600
fear consistent to you with a car that you know?

1969
01:53:05.159 --> 01:53:05.399
Yes?

1970
01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:07.079
And was it which car was that?

1971
01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:09.479
It appears to be mister her name as suv.

1972
01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:17.720
As you were doing what you described as I think

1973
01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:20.640
two laps around the block, did you notice any any

1974
01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:23.239
of the individuals that you've previously seen at Cure, and

1975
01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:25.439
in particular the man who had spilled a drink on

1976
01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:26.279
mister Hernandez.

1977
01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:44.039
No, sir, m hm.

1978
01:54:40.319 --> 01:54:44.359
You rather stop at twenty five fifty two on the

1979
01:54:44.439 --> 01:54:47.199
exhibit and two twenty one am. Do you see a

1980
01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:48.640
silver rescue that you recognize?

1981
01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:49.279
Yes?

1982
01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:52.279
All right, So I'm gonna go ahead and cut this

1983
01:54:52.560 --> 01:54:55.760
one off right here and we'll pick up with the

1984
01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:59.760
next episode. And look, I'm gonna drop frequent episodes of

1985
01:54:59.800 --> 01:55:07.520
the US until we get through the testimony of Alexander Bradley,

1986
01:55:07.680 --> 01:55:10.680
because he's on that stand for several days, but you

1987
01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:13.840
need to hear all of it. So each drop I'll

1988
01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:17.560
cover a couple of hours of that testimony and we'll

1989
01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:21.239
talk about it in subsequent episodes. Thank you so much

1990
01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:24.880
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1994
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