Sept. 26, 2022
CD77: Privacy Focused Mobile Phone eSIMs Using Silent Link
EPISODE: 77
BLOCK: 755816
PRICE: 5230 sats per dollar
TOPICS: using silent link, bitcoin only merchants, sourcing numbers, intentionally limiting the amount of info they have on their users, is it a honeypot?, chinese "great firewall" circumvention, use a VPN, understand the tradeoffs
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04:23 - Introduction to silent.link and its offering
38:03 - Discussion on the importance of using VPNs
46:08 - Appreciation for Specter Wallet and its DIY hardware wallet
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Happy Bitcoin Monday, freaks.
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It's your boy Odell here for another Citadel Dispatch.
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Podcasting 2.0 also has a boostogram feature. A boostogram is a flat payment that you send,
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one lump sum payment, and it can include a message. You can think of it kind of like a global comment section.
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And the top boost to grounds from the previous episode are read, at the beginning of every episode.
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You can also support the show by going to sil dispatch.com. I have a BTC pay server there. You can support through on chain Bitcoin or lightning Bitcoin
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Odell. Very easy to remember, so you can send
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That really does go a long way, and I appreciate all of you who do that.
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As always, on SIL dispatch, we will have our live chat going. You can participate in a live chat on YouTube,
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That is if you click that citadel.chat
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link, obviously, the Twitch link is if you click Twitch, and YouTube is if you click YouTube.
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So,
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before we get started, I'm just gonna read some of the top boostograms,
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from the previous
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few shows.
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We had,
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user,
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lots of numbers
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attached to the user,
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gave sent 60,000 sats. He said, you had me dying when you had to clarify that douchebag was a username, LOL.
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Then we had Riku Maru
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saying with 12,000 sats saying, thanks for not shying away from the hard topics. Matt, I'm a fan of Samura, and I think the conclusion of the show should be, please add a warning screen on mobile app a la Spiro in order to help onboarding
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education. We have Blockchain Boog with 5,000 sets saying great combo. I would give it to Zelco.
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And then I'm also gonna go and read some from our most recent bitcoin dot review episode.
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We have Peter
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with a 100,000 sat saying, here's $20 to buy a burrito in ramala
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Ramallah. Cheers.
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And then we have CA Danner, ride or die freak with 75100
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sat saying, love the good nature debate and good humor from from your satoshi white paper artist freak, CA Danner. We have CA Danner's art up at Bitcoin Park.
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I really do appreciate you, CA.
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And then we have Nomad Joe, last but not least, with 2,222
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SAT saying, thanks for the research info.
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Anyway, you can read all the boostograms
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and your favorite podcasting 2 point o app. They're all public.
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I will continue to read them in the future.
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I do appreciate all the support once again.
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So with all that said, we have a very interesting guest and topic lined up for today.
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You may have heard me talk about their project in the past.
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That project is silent.link.
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It is a,
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it is a website where you can pay with Bitcoin without any KYC info
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and get a mobile phone eSIM.
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If you remember those SIM cards that we use to enable a mobile phone,
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Now they have digital versions that you can download right to your phone. You can buy one of these at silent.link.
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And we have,
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I believe, the founder of silent.link or one of the lead maintainers on the show today. How's it going, silent link?
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Good. Happy Bitcoin Monday, Fricks. Happy to be here
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with you today.
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That's okay. With some hard questions.
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It's a pleasure to finally have you, my dude. I know you,
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you listen to dispatch regularly, and I've been trying to get you on the show for a while now.
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Of course.
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So, I mean, let's let's just,
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I I we're both planning on keeping this conversation tight,
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right to the point. As always, Freaks, if you have any questions or comments, just throw them in the live chat, and we will get to them.
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Let's start with, just a basic rundown
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of of the offering of SilentLink. What does SilentLink offer people?
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We offer buying anonymous,
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it seems
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it seems that they're completely
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decoupled from your
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official identity.
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We do not require anything.
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We do not require even an email address.
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You just pay Bitcoin and, get
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an eSIM that can,
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have or a number or be just data only
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as in?
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Right. So you can you can there's 2 offerings. There's one
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where it's it's just Internet data only. You don't have a phone number attached to it, and then there's one that's more expensive that you have a phone number attached to it.
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I guess so, obviously,
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we've talked on dispatch a lot about mobile phone privacy,
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and a lot of that starts,
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which which carrier you choose and and and how you get that SIM card.
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Throughout
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throughout the
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developed world. It's becoming harder and harder to get a SIM card that's not immediately attached to your identity. If you sign up for something like one of the big majors in in in America, like an AT and T or Verizon, they, like, basically ask for everything short of the blood of your firstborn child. They're asking for your name, your your email, your mailing address, maybe a driver's license number, credit card information.
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All this stuff is obviously completely tied to your identity.
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A lot of us have gone out of our way to go and get SIM cards with cash and buy them with cash. But even a lot of those prepaid SIM cards now, once you get them, you have to go and activate on their website, and they require all this additional information. Maybe they block VPN usage,
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while you're doing the sign up process. It's it's a really difficult process to to get a SIM card
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that that isn't,
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directly tied to your legal identity.
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Now
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how are you
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able to offer us the ability to buy these ESIMs without giving you any personal information when all of these other companies aren't able to do that?
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That's because we're a little bit deeper than the front end of the major
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operators,
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that
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actually have this task of identifying
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their customers,
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mostly because
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they relate to advertising, I guess.
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But for surveillance, of course, too.
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When you deal with,
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say,
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bulk offerings, when you buy numbers, when you buy channels, when you buy SIM profiles,
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there is actually no requirement to
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provide KYC information,
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with the exception of phone numbers.
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Phone numbers were difficult for us to source without KYC requirements,
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but we managed to
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get
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United States phone numbers
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and,
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United Kingdom phone numbers. For some limited time, we were offering,
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Dutch phone numbers.
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But at the moment, we are out of,
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the stock, and we are still looking for a way to source
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non non KYC numbers to offer you.
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So so from from your
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perspective, when when you're operating this business, it's easier for you to get that data only SIM than it is for you to actually get provision phone numbers.
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Yes. Of course.
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Interesting.
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Get them also,
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to sell them because they work much better.
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Well, obviously,
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the the Internet the Internet only data plans are are useful for people.
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You're able to, you know, then use them with different VoIP applications and stuff like that. But a lot of a lot of the advantage
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is lost when you don't have the phone number. So many different services require phone numbers that are basically
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used as these identifiers. So the fact that we can get phone numbers
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through silent link is is probably,
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substantially,
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you know, bigger of a deal for users than than the data only.
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Yes. But, as irresponsible vendor, they always,
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warn our
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customers that
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when they get these, these numbers, they're dealing with outdated technology, and they always
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in the risk of identifying themselves,
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like, for example,
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using these capabilities
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of voice and text,
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by actually talking and
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receiving messages from other people, and all this is logged and voice is voice fingerprinted.
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And,
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actually, it doesn't make much sense to
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buy one of our identity plans and then start
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talking on the phone like the good old days.
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Right. So this is why on your website, you suggest people, if they they get a phone number, they attach it to something like signal or attach it to something like WhatsApp, and then use the VoIP capabilities of that app rather than actually
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use the native call functionality.
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But, also,
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your
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the your your plans don't include
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outbound calls. Users cannot make outbound calls.
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What what's the reasoning for that?
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There are several very strong reasons for that.
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First and foremost is that once we offer outbound call and text
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capability,
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we,
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have to deal with enormous
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volumes of abuse and spam.
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It's not really
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feasible for us.
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2nd, it doesn't make much sense in terms of providing an anonymous service because as I have already mentioned,
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the subscribers get immediately
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voice fingerprinted on their calls.
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So it simply doesn't work that way.
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These are main reasons. And another,
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more technical reason is it's a little bit easier to source
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phone numbers,
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with inbound
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voice capability
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without outbound outbound voice capability,
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with no KYC information.
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Right. So a lot of it is just how, you know, what you have available to you.
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Yes. Yes. And what we can,
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further,
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like, sustain as a service. Because if we
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become a place, that where most of the spam is originated, we
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Finally, it just
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will be shut down. That's all. Right. That makes sense.
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So, I mean, we have communer in the matrix chat,
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wants everyone to know that the matrix chat is the best chat. I I just want all the freaks. If if you're a new freak, just to be aware that that matrix chat goes 247,
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365. So even when we're not,
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broadcasting live on dispatch, we have a lot of great discussion over there, and you should consider joining even if you're participating through YouTube or Twitch.
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So what what's the reasoning so outbound calls are not allowed,
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outbound texts
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are not allowed,
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but inbound calls and texts are allowed. Is that just,
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to give users options? Like, why not disable both of those 2 if if part of it is
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privacy reasons?
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Because inbound calls and the inbound text is what you need to register accounts. Oh, of course.
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Right. Like, I'm signing up on signal, it's gonna send me a confirmation text. Or I'm signing up on Twitter, it's gonna send me a confirmation text with the code, and I'm gonna need that.
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That's why it's called identity.
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Right. And then if you if you ever need to call public switch telephone network,
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I e,
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regular phone numbers,
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we,
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suggest that you sign up for some VoIP service of your own choice.
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We will not ever offer this service because we do not,
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mix the risks in one
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place.
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Right. You sign sign up. Preferably, it should be anonymous
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and, paid with Bitcoin
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and use that to call,
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public telephone network.
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Right.
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That makes sense to me.
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So you you
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you answered this question on Twitter that someone had
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a Horizon Compass had this question.
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Does silent link use roaming all the time?
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And what is the advantage of using a foreign identity account, AKA using a UK number in the US versus a US number in the US.
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Do you wanna go into that a little bit? Let's let's start with
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why why does silent link use roaming all the time?
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It's actually an old trick.
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VIP persons were,
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using roaming SIM cards
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for as long as SIM cards exist.
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It's actually
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much more difficult
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to surveil
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a SIM card that's not, issued by a local
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that came from some other country.
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very trivial to for local law enforcement or someone that
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have some connections in the local operator
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to
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do whatever they want with their SIM card.
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If it's issued by
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some foreign telecom,
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it's much, much harder.
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So so if I use if I'm using the US identity
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on
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SilentLink and I'm getting a US number,
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that's a US number
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provided
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a non US based
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telco?
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Or is that
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actually, yes. Actually, yes. We source numbers,
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separately from where
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we source profiles and where we get the
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roaming service. These are all
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different entities, different operators, and,
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we make sure that
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this is all interoperable.
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So if I'm using a US identity,
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we got a US phone number through silent link, and I'm using it in the States. I'm, like, base I'm basically roaming on T Mobile or something like that,
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but T Mobile hasn't provided me
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the the the SIM. The SIM is a different telco. And as a result
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as a result, T Mobile has less,
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ability to to basically,
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pull files on me.
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Did I get that correct?
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Yes. Yes.
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First, they do not know your identity.
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Right. 2nd, they do not ever
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know your phone number.
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Because,
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when
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a foreign SIM is,
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roaming,
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in the carrier network,
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the carrier does not know its phone number. It's,
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the operate,
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internal ID. It's called IMSI.
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Right.
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And that's different that's different than the IMEI.
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Yeah. IMEI is the hardware,
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identifier.
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Got it.
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And IMSI is the SIM identifier? Or is Yes. Exactly.
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So BTC PINs asked if he uses an eSIM on his phone that also has a SIM in it, like a physical SIM that's attached to his identity,
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the 2 can be linked. Correct?
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Theoretically, yes. But,
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in practice, they will have different,
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IMEIs because the
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SIM part of the phone has one IMEI and
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the EUICC.
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This is the eSIM
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part of the phone has a different
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IMEI
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for the phones that I know. So it's not actually horrible.
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It's better to use a fresh phone, but it's not horrible.
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Yes. Of course, the manufacturer knows knows the
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link between those identifiers.
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But for for the carrier, it's not trivial.
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Got it.
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Can can the carrier that I'm roaming on tell that I that I bought my SIM on silent link?
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Yes. It's possible because,
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all
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most,
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most of our it seems
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come from 1,
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one roaming partner.
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So they most of them appear as if you're a visitor from Poland or Israel.
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Got it. But we will be offering
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more,
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it seems, from, different vendors as well.
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Love that.
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And BGC Pens made an interesting point about
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the previous sim
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physical sim versus e sim. Google would have a database of both of those identifiers. So, presumably, the man if it's a pixel.
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So, presumably, the manufacturer
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could link the 2.
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Right? If it's like an iPhone or a Pixel or something.
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Sure. Manufacturer can do that. Buy a new phone.
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Right. It's always better to buy a new phone, fresh phone. Sure.
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Okay. That makes sense to me.
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So, I mean,
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one of the
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one of the main questions that I've that I've always had
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is,
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obviously, if I if I'm using silent.link,
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when when we talk about
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phone privacy,
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there's there's 2 main trust
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factors
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that in my head. And one is if you're using
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plain text,
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just regular SMS messages. Obviously, those are, like, postcards. They're not encrypted.
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The carrier can read them.
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And the other is, you know, phone regular phone calls. But let's say you're you're not doing either of those, so they're going through an app or whatever that's encrypted, like signal
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or matrix or something like that. The secondary
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trust factor is
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that
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there is an ability to triangulate your location using
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near cell towers. So they take 3 cell towers, and they're able to track your location based on those 3 cell towers.
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Is SilentLink
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are you able to
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if you were coerced, if you were forced to or or if you wanted to do this, are are we putting trust in you not to triangulate our location? Is that possible for you?
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Actually, we have no information at all.
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We are kind of,
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retailers.
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so the only information that they have is
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the
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date and time of,
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purchase. That's all.
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So if
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one of our users
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is targeted,
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then what actually happens is this.
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The authorities
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might follow the number.
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They will come to the
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pool number pool operator.
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From there, they will
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go to a roaming provider.
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From
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there,
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they will eventually get to a local carrier,
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and only the local carrier has the location information.
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Got it.
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So they have to go through all those hoops before they could actually
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figure out what towers it attached to? They couldn't just go if I was roaming on T Mobile, they couldn't just go to T Mobile and be, like, what where the location is?
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If they know that you were located in some
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spot, then, of course, they do not need to,
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go all the way. They just can
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continue allocating you based on your previous location information.
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Right. They take that device, and then they just track that device.
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Yes. Yes. They already know
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your IMEI, and they can forward.
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Got it.
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What would you and I think this is kinda connected to the last question.
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I mean, I
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so it's it's really hard for in in in America, it's gotten increasingly difficult
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to get
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to get a phone number without attaching it to your identity.
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It
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I I you know, you you seem to allude that a lot of it is is based on on corporate
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the the
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the need for corporations or corporations
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desiring to
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sell our marketing data. But it seems like there's also a major regulatory push to,
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to force KYC information when you buy a phone number.
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So as a result, when someone sees a service like this,
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that seems
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almost too good to be true, like, I can just literally just go to the website, pay with Bitcoin,
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press the download button, and then my compatible phone that's compatible with eSIMs literally just all of a sudden has
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cell reception and a phone number, and I can top it up with Bitcoin without providing an email or or anything.
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Their the first thought is is this must be, you know, an intentional honey pot. This must be a spook. This must
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be someone who's trying to
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deanonymize
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people that want privacy or Bitcoiners specifically.
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What do you say to people that have that concern?
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Well, if someone doesn't
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ask you
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for your identity,
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it doesn't make you a spook.
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And that's a very We are just a way we're just a way not to provide this information. That's it.
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So why do you why do you think there aren't other why are you the only ones? Like, why why
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are you the only ones? Like, are there other services that I can use out there that I can just pay with Bitcoin and just not give up any information and get a NESIM?
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Why do you think that we know of.
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Now that we know of. I guess that's not because
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it's
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inherently
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impossible
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to provide the service, as I have said already.
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It's because
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people that are in telecom
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do not trust
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Bitcoin as a means of payment yet.
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So there there are service so most of these types of services, they just choose credit cards because that's what people are comfortable with. That's what you think.
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People are comfy comfortable with doing what they are used to be doing for some time.
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Right.
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I mean, so let's jump into the product offering a little but first of all, I just wanna thank you again for joining us.
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This is a product that I've used, I find very useful. Like I said, I've talked about on
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dispatch
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many
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times.
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It is, I mean, it it is the ideal type of
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product that you'd like to see come out of of Bitcoin as a payments technology. Like, the ability that I I can
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essentially shop from you as a provider from around the world without giving you my private information and get a service that I that I really need, that I can't find somewhere else.
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And it's also very useful for travel. Like, I I know a lot of people that use it specifically when they come to America,
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because it's hard to get a data plan in America,
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as an international.
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So so first, the user is paying
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the user pays $60,
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a year reoccurring fee for the identity plan. We'll focus on the identity plan. They get the US number,
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and they have a $5 initial balance,
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And then so they're getting
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they get a page. They basically get, like, an account page that they have to save, and that account page is where they they basically have to top it up
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to pay
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for their data usage
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and,
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their text usage if they're if they're using text messages,
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on a per usage basis.
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How does how do you come up with the and the pricing is all listed at silent.lang/rates.
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How how are these prices,
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determined?
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They are mostly determined by the roaming operator.
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They are offering the same prices.
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And, presumably, you add a you're adding a silent link fee on top so you can make money.
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Right?
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You have a certain discount.
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Right.
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So so, actually, the roaming provider like, so you're getting the SIM from, like you said, like, a Polish provider or an Israeli provider,
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and then they have a contract with, like, T Mobile in the United States to pay a certain rate.
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And then they pass that on to you, and then you charge the customer.
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Yes. Awesome.
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Phryx, if you have any additional questions while we have silent.link,
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here, please,
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throw them in the chat.
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This has been an extremely productive conversation so far. I mean, we're only a half an hour in, and I just feel like we've nailed pretty much everything.
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What is there something specifically that you'd like to talk about?
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Merchant adoption maybe.
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I would like to invite all merchants to
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join us with providing the services to the Bitcoin community because it's
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a great pleasure.
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Just merchants in general of all different types? Yes. Yes. Yes. Do you think It's a very eye opening experience.
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Do you think,
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do you think we're trending in the right direction? Are are you
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are are you disappointed with how few Bitcoin merchants are, or is it the opposite that you're you're impressed with? The opposite. We we are impressed. It's a great pleasure as I've seen. I feel like it's been growing relatively quickly,
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at least recently, the last, like, 2 years or so.
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And and, specifically, I mean, what's really rare is is seeing Bitcoin only merchants like yourself where you don't even,
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you don't even accept credit cards. You there's no fiat. It's just Bitcoin only.
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Yeah. We have some pressure from the American Unity,
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who we respect.
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That Uh-huh.
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As a native means of payment, but
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we have no such plans at the moment because,
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BTC paid server is,
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in
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management of the Lightning node. There's enough headache for us at the moment.
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So
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right now, I mean, you have a link on your website. You essentially, like, tell people to use one of the swap services if they wanna pay with Monero. Right?
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Yes. That's that should work for everybody, and, we do not have to deal with another
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another asset.
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Unfortunately, some people are always making us with, we do not want to trust some third party. We try to explain that it doesn't
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make any sense, actually.
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You do not need to trust fixed float
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to do the payment.
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Well, you there's, like, custodial there's custodial risk temporary custodial risk when you they send it if fixed float doesn't send the payment on. But it's like they're trusting them with, like, $60,
485
00:31:08.245 --> 00:31:10.425
whatever. And for several seconds.
486
00:31:10.805 --> 00:31:12.025
Yeah. Exactly.
487
00:31:14.245 --> 00:31:14.745
So
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00:31:15.205 --> 00:31:16.425
do do you think,
489
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:26.360
that's interesting. I mean, for a lot for a long time, like, I mean, I I personally think BTC pay server is one of the most important projects in our space,
490
00:31:27.035 --> 00:31:31.375
just because it makes it so easy for merchants to accept Bitcoin natively and sovereignly,
491
00:31:31.755 --> 00:31:33.695
and it seems like you would agree with that.
492
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.220
Of course. Of course. And, actually, URLs,
493
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.140
is what made us, make the service.
494
00:31:43.325 --> 00:31:44.945
Who who did?
495
00:31:46.765 --> 00:31:49.265
You're saying that it's one of the most important,
496
00:31:49.804 --> 00:31:56.380
projects in the Bitcoin space. Oh, that means a lot. Glad to hear that. Have to power, yeah, yeah, our attention to this
497
00:31:56.840 --> 00:32:01.515
to BTCPay server, and, then after we saw it, of course, we want to use
498
00:32:01.815 --> 00:32:03.035
it. Oh, yeah.
499
00:32:04.055 --> 00:32:05.755
Owning a payment system.
500
00:32:06.375 --> 00:32:07.515
It's pretty powerful.
501
00:32:08.820 --> 00:32:09.320
Yeah.
502
00:32:10.900 --> 00:32:14.100
So I so it looks like we have more questions from the freaks now.
503
00:32:14.820 --> 00:32:17.000
Appreciate all you freaks who give us questions.
504
00:32:17.655 --> 00:32:21.035
Couldn't do without you. We have Carlos in the comments saying,
505
00:32:21.975 --> 00:32:27.700
have you ever had any issues with the providers that connect some mobile network operators, I e, Syniverse?
506
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:30.660
No.
507
00:32:31.760 --> 00:32:33.540
Do you know what Syniverse is? No.
508
00:32:34.925 --> 00:32:36.145
Neither do I. No.
509
00:32:37.405 --> 00:32:39.505
Carlos, if you wanna give us more context,
510
00:32:39.805 --> 00:32:43.905
in the comments, let us know. I don't know what Cineverse is. We also have dread,
511
00:32:44.429 --> 00:32:46.929
ride or die freak Dred in the matrix chat
512
00:32:47.389 --> 00:32:47.889
asking,
513
00:32:49.309 --> 00:32:53.649
any thoughts around streaming lightning as a payment for data SMS?
514
00:32:57.375 --> 00:32:58.675
I would like to see
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00:32:59.135 --> 00:33:00.595
lightning used for
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00:33:01.455 --> 00:33:01.955
everything.
517
00:33:02.415 --> 00:33:03.555
It's a great technology.
518
00:33:04.770 --> 00:33:09.270
I mean, that seems, like, way more complicated to implement than just topping up on the website.
519
00:33:12.850 --> 00:33:13.350
Yes.
520
00:33:14.195 --> 00:33:15.335
But it's cool concept.
521
00:33:16.115 --> 00:33:23.815
Is there any he's also asking, is there any kind of VPN proxy bridge functionality bent into the eSIM for places like China?
522
00:33:25.900 --> 00:33:33.595
Great question. Actually, our eSIMs are very useful in China. And in in mind that our Emirates because they completely
523
00:33:33.975 --> 00:33:34.475
circumvent
524
00:33:34.775 --> 00:33:35.915
the state firewalls.
525
00:33:37.895 --> 00:33:39.600
Well, because they're roaming? Just
526
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.260
yes. Yes. Because the
527
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.179
data goes
528
00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:48.179
to Poland or Israel, and
529
00:33:48.945 --> 00:33:51.285
it goes to to the Internet from there.
530
00:33:52.065 --> 00:33:54.565
So Oh, that's interesting. Great China firewall.
531
00:33:55.025 --> 00:33:55.525
Unfortunately,
532
00:33:56.705 --> 00:33:57.205
Chinese
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00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.460
Communist Party goes to great lengths to,
534
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:03.580
forbid any it's incompatible
535
00:34:04.120 --> 00:34:10.275
forms from China. So you cannot buy an ISIN compatible form in China. You can only bring it from abroad.
536
00:34:14.609 --> 00:34:15.109
But
537
00:34:16.450 --> 00:34:23.184
oh, I see. So the, the phones aren't even sold there. You have to get the the physical phone. You have to get abroad.
538
00:34:24.125 --> 00:34:25.164
Yes. Yes. The,
539
00:34:25.724 --> 00:34:44.995
iPhones and the Pixels, I don't know if they have have pixels, but they have iPhones definitely, and the iPhones, that are sold on channel do not have a sim capability at all. Oh, so, like, the new iPhone, the iPhone 14 that they made a whole big deal about being eSIM only, the one that's sold in China is gonna have no eSIM compatibility whatsoever.
540
00:34:45.520 --> 00:34:48.980
I I wonder what they're going to do with all the previous models,
541
00:34:49.520 --> 00:34:51.700
that was sold sold in China mainland,
542
00:34:52.160 --> 00:34:54.579
had no sync mobility whatsoever.
543
00:34:55.785 --> 00:35:03.805
That's interesting. I mean, my understanding, just for a little bit of context, with the iPhone 14 is Europe is forcing them to have a SIM card slot.
544
00:35:05.160 --> 00:35:09.660
So the European version of the iPhone 14 will have a SIM card slot and eSIM support,
545
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:22.720
and then the US version will not have a SIM card slot, will only do eSIM. And now my my assumption here is is the Chinese one will be SIM only, and they just have 3 different SKUs,
546
00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:25.359
for the different 2 SIM cards.
547
00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:31.285
Oh, yeah. They could do 2 SIM. And funny story with that, when they don't have the SIM,
548
00:35:31.905 --> 00:35:32.405
functionality
549
00:35:32.945 --> 00:35:37.770
physical SIM card functionality in the US. So someone opened it up, and it's just got
550
00:35:38.390 --> 00:35:42.410
a it's got, like, a plastic block in the place where the SIM card would be
551
00:35:42.755 --> 00:35:50.590
because they didn't wanna make it, you know, different phone model, and they didn't want it to bend when they click it. So they have the space for it. They just chose not to do it.
552
00:35:51.230 --> 00:35:53.970
Carlos says, Cineverse is used to facilitate
553
00:35:54.270 --> 00:35:59.090
establishment of data sessions for roaming subscribers, also used for text and maybe
554
00:35:59.795 --> 00:36:00.934
multimedia messages.
555
00:36:02.515 --> 00:36:03.015
Well,
556
00:36:03.315 --> 00:36:07.095
it sounds like you've had no issues there. Have you had any issues with,
557
00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:11.400
someone buying
558
00:36:12.100 --> 00:36:17.640
a number or something and then it getting cut off midyear, like, while they're in their plan?
559
00:36:19.785 --> 00:36:20.285
No.
560
00:36:20.744 --> 00:36:21.244
Never.
561
00:36:21.865 --> 00:36:25.645
And I guess that's just because you you pick your partners wisely?
562
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.340
That's gonna be the hardest part of your business, right, is is the actual
563
00:36:30.720 --> 00:36:31.220
providers.
564
00:36:32.240 --> 00:36:33.300
Yes. Of course.
565
00:36:34.015 --> 00:36:34.515
We,
566
00:36:34.895 --> 00:36:36.575
tried different vendors and,
567
00:36:37.295 --> 00:36:39.875
some were more reliable in terms of
568
00:36:40.735 --> 00:36:43.420
message reception and caller reception, and
569
00:36:43.900 --> 00:36:45.359
we are offering the best.
570
00:36:46.299 --> 00:36:52.480
That's awesome. Well, I wish you guys the best of luck. I I really do appreciate your service. I appreciate everything you do.
571
00:36:53.285 --> 00:36:57.464
Just go back to that merchant adoption tangent we were talking about. What do you think
572
00:36:58.565 --> 00:36:59.525
what do you think will
573
00:37:00.120 --> 00:37:03.420
what is the single biggest thing that'll help boost merchant adoption?
574
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.020
You do not have to hire an accountant.
575
00:37:09.454 --> 00:37:11.155
Why do you not have to hire an accountant?
576
00:37:11.934 --> 00:37:13.555
Because you do not have to.
577
00:37:16.575 --> 00:37:17.635
Fair enough. Literally.
578
00:37:21.830 --> 00:37:25.290
I mean, it's it's pretty cool that you can just offer your business globally.
579
00:37:25.605 --> 00:37:28.825
Just accept Bitcoin, not deal with banks or anything.
580
00:37:31.445 --> 00:37:36.440
Well, Freaks, if you don't have any more questions, I'm gonna wrap this thing up because this has been
581
00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:40.680
probably the highest signal 40 minutes I've ever done on dispatch,
582
00:37:42.105 --> 00:37:44.045
and I have no more questions
583
00:37:44.505 --> 00:37:45.645
for this gentleman.
584
00:37:47.465 --> 00:37:52.830
We'll give you, like, a little bit more time if you have any last minute questions. Let me see if Twitter
585
00:37:54.330 --> 00:37:56.030
has mentioned anything.
586
00:37:57.865 --> 00:37:59.725
Don't see any Twitter questions.
587
00:38:01.705 --> 00:38:03.005
If I have more time.
588
00:38:03.465 --> 00:38:07.369
You have plenty of time. I'm here I'm here for you. What do you wanna talk about?
589
00:38:08.070 --> 00:38:10.250
I would like to encourage our subscribers
590
00:38:10.550 --> 00:38:11.530
to use VPN.
591
00:38:13.835 --> 00:38:17.214
I would like them to understand the difference between
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00:38:19.194 --> 00:38:21.934
VPN services and self hosted VPNs.
593
00:38:22.690 --> 00:38:24.150
Some are better for
594
00:38:24.450 --> 00:38:25.589
one thing, and
595
00:38:26.050 --> 00:38:27.910
some are better for other things.
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00:38:30.985 --> 00:38:33.485
I would like to encourage them to study
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00:38:34.105 --> 00:38:35.005
2 on network.
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00:38:37.329 --> 00:38:37.829
And,
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00:38:40.210 --> 00:38:40.950
Great project.
600
00:38:42.930 --> 00:38:45.109
What was this what was the second project?
601
00:38:45.984 --> 00:38:46.484
Hootenix.
602
00:38:47.505 --> 00:38:50.325
Hootenix is the pro proper way to use Tor.
603
00:38:50.785 --> 00:38:51.285
Right.
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00:38:53.020 --> 00:38:54.000
On your VPN
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00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:54.800
comment,
606
00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.080
this is a topic that I talk about a lot.
607
00:38:59.020 --> 00:39:00.885
You wanna go into what
608
00:39:01.365 --> 00:39:09.865
when you should be using, like, a hosted VPN like, MOLVAD versus using your own self hosted VPN on some kind of virtual private server somewhere?
609
00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:11.340
Well, it's,
610
00:39:11.900 --> 00:39:14.800
obviously, if you use something like mobile, you
611
00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:15.820
kind of,
612
00:39:17.465 --> 00:39:22.845
supposedly have an unlinked set of other users, whereas if you if you use your own VPN,
613
00:39:23.465 --> 00:39:25.085
then your IP address
614
00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:27.490
connects all your activity.
615
00:39:29.150 --> 00:39:30.930
But I guess for,
616
00:39:34.165 --> 00:39:37.305
maybe not majority, but the large portion of people,
617
00:39:38.245 --> 00:39:40.665
it really makes sense to study this
618
00:39:41.125 --> 00:39:42.505
self hosted VPN
619
00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:44.530
option.
620
00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:51.810
Well, so, I mean, when when I look at the trade off, when you're using a hosted VPN
621
00:39:53.835 --> 00:40:00.015
when you're using a hosted VPN, you're trusting the hosted VPN provider. So if you're using MOLVAD, MOLVAD says,
622
00:40:01.770 --> 00:40:05.950
you know, we don't take any logs. We we're not tracking your Internet traffic,
623
00:40:06.410 --> 00:40:10.109
but there's no way for anyone to prove it. It's a trust relationship. Now MOLVAD
624
00:40:10.694 --> 00:40:18.714
is similar to your offering in that it doesn't even ask for an email address. You literally just get an account number. You pay with Bitcoin, you get an account number.
625
00:40:19.089 --> 00:40:19.990
So they don't specifically
626
00:40:20.290 --> 00:40:25.190
know who you are, but they obviously know your IP addresses, stuff like that when you connect to the network,
627
00:40:25.890 --> 00:40:31.945
and you are trusting them with your Internet traffic. But the benefit there is if you go to some website, let's say you go
628
00:40:32.885 --> 00:40:35.305
to let's say you you go to google.com,
629
00:40:36.490 --> 00:40:49.505
your IP address shows up as every other mobile user that uses that. So you have the anonymity set of the crowd there. Now if you use a self hosted VPN, you don't have to trust a hosted VPN provider because you're running it yourself.
630
00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:56.119
But if you go to Google and then you go to Facebook and then you go to Amazon or something,
631
00:40:56.500 --> 00:41:00.440
that same IP address will be linked across all three of those sites.
632
00:41:01.695 --> 00:41:02.355
So they
633
00:41:02.734 --> 00:41:10.560
they have different benefits and and negatives, and you kinda have to weigh them depending on what you're trying to achieve and what your threat model is.
634
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:14.260
Do you think that was well put?
635
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.900
Yes. Absolutely. Exactly. Like that. But now it's
636
00:41:19.245 --> 00:41:20.285
quite easy to,
637
00:41:20.765 --> 00:41:21.265
host
638
00:41:22.685 --> 00:41:25.905
host the VPS without providing you identity as well.
639
00:41:26.285 --> 00:41:28.610
Do you have any recommended services for that?
640
00:41:29.970 --> 00:41:30.470
Luna.
641
00:41:31.490 --> 00:41:36.470
Luna. For example. Luna requires a phone number, but you could just use your cell phone number.
642
00:41:37.745 --> 00:41:38.245
Exit.
643
00:41:39.425 --> 00:41:40.165
Fair enough.
644
00:41:42.225 --> 00:41:42.945
We have,
645
00:41:43.425 --> 00:41:48.380
I mean, obviously, you just told everyone they should look into VPNs and run a VPN when they're running,
646
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:55.494
SilentLink. But BTC pins asked, is there much benefit to doing that? So why do you tell people that they should do that?
647
00:41:57.954 --> 00:42:01.895
Using a VPN because, we actually do not want even our
648
00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:04.320
roaming partner to be able to,
649
00:42:04.780 --> 00:42:06.960
snoop into the data track.
650
00:42:09.020 --> 00:42:09.500
And,
651
00:42:10.300 --> 00:42:10.800
maybe,
652
00:42:12.305 --> 00:42:12.805
having
653
00:42:13.585 --> 00:42:17.205
a Polish or Israeli IP address is not
654
00:42:17.665 --> 00:42:19.925
the best option in all the cases.
655
00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:21.600
So we would like to,
656
00:42:22.700 --> 00:42:25.520
point our users to the fact that they are absolutely
657
00:42:26.540 --> 00:42:27.040
free,
658
00:42:27.820 --> 00:42:29.840
to have control over the
659
00:42:30.285 --> 00:42:31.744
IP address by using
660
00:42:32.204 --> 00:42:32.704
VPNs.
661
00:42:34.924 --> 00:42:36.704
Yeah. I just like the constant
662
00:42:38.850 --> 00:42:46.225
the constant push by you. And even all the literature on the website is what I've talked about a lot, which is this idea that, you
663
00:42:47.565 --> 00:42:58.410
know, to to if if you're running a privacy if you're running any business, like, really, you should want it the the least amount of information on your customers as possible. You don't want that liability. I don't want you don't wanna know
664
00:42:59.029 --> 00:43:00.009
what they're doing,
665
00:43:00.470 --> 00:43:02.329
because then all of a sudden,
666
00:43:03.035 --> 00:43:03.535
like,
667
00:43:03.835 --> 00:43:08.015
you could hand over that data. You could be forced to hand over that data. That data could leak.
668
00:43:08.955 --> 00:43:17.070
And I really just appreciate how it's just constant. It's constant with you that you just don't want you want as little information on your users as possible.
669
00:43:18.795 --> 00:43:19.615
Yes. Exactly.
670
00:43:20.075 --> 00:43:22.015
Exactly. Thank you for pointing that.
671
00:43:24.234 --> 00:43:24.734
Awesome.
672
00:43:25.275 --> 00:43:28.330
Do you have any any additional thoughts before we wrap?
673
00:43:31.130 --> 00:43:32.590
A big shout out to,
674
00:43:33.610 --> 00:43:36.270
Spector wallet team and Stepan Snegurov
675
00:43:37.385 --> 00:43:38.125
in particular.
676
00:43:39.785 --> 00:43:45.245
I see. If they're a great product, then I don't know how we would operate our business because,
677
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:47.960
actually,
678
00:43:49.700 --> 00:43:53.800
we believe only in do it yourself hardware bots.
679
00:43:54.865 --> 00:43:59.045
Oh, so you actually like you use the their Spectre DIY hardware wallet?
680
00:43:59.825 --> 00:44:02.160
Several of them. And we're constantly
681
00:44:02.540 --> 00:44:04.000
buying more for
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00:44:04.460 --> 00:44:07.200
our partners, for our friends, for our relatives.
683
00:44:08.060 --> 00:44:08.880
That's awesome.
684
00:44:09.585 --> 00:44:13.285
Yeah. No. I love that team. They also have a great software wallet on desktop.
685
00:44:14.145 --> 00:44:16.805
Them and Sparrow are my 2 favorite desktop wallets,
686
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:26.740
fully open source. You can use it with your own node very easily. Have you ever checked out the seed signer project? It's very similar to their DIY product, but it's, cheaper.
687
00:44:33.215 --> 00:44:33.715
Actually,
688
00:44:34.809 --> 00:44:37.150
I we appreciate the effort, but
689
00:44:38.010 --> 00:44:44.349
comparing the seed signer to the Spectrum wallet is how will you do the same product the wrong way?
690
00:44:46.555 --> 00:44:48.415
Well, I like the spiciness. Why?
691
00:44:50.155 --> 00:44:51.935
Because the main thing about
692
00:44:53.220 --> 00:44:55.000
main things about Spectrum wallet
693
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:55.880
are,
694
00:44:56.420 --> 00:44:57.560
it has a big screen,
695
00:44:58.100 --> 00:44:59.960
so it lets you easily
696
00:45:01.325 --> 00:45:03.825
input your seed words, and you actually
697
00:45:04.125 --> 00:45:05.424
can use it stateless.
698
00:45:07.325 --> 00:45:08.065
And only
699
00:45:08.365 --> 00:45:11.970
by using it stateless, it gives you the ultimate freedom
700
00:45:13.150 --> 00:45:14.370
and ultimate security.
701
00:45:15.470 --> 00:45:16.850
With the system, unfortunately,
702
00:45:17.790 --> 00:45:20.855
you are tied to your hardware device. You cannot easily
703
00:45:21.395 --> 00:45:22.615
input your SibWords.
704
00:45:23.475 --> 00:45:26.455
But they are you aware of their c q r format?
705
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.260
You have to store this QR somewhere.
706
00:45:31.640 --> 00:45:33.819
Yeah. I'm aware. It's like,
707
00:45:34.520 --> 00:45:35.339
never ending.
708
00:45:37.025 --> 00:45:39.605
So this part, you have this part, and
709
00:45:40.145 --> 00:45:40.805
it never
710
00:45:41.425 --> 00:45:48.000
never ends. Have you that's that's very fair critique. That's a very it's, definitely a much smaller screen. It's harder to input,
711
00:45:48.860 --> 00:45:49.520
seeds in.
712
00:45:50.700 --> 00:45:53.040
Do you ever use the smart card
713
00:45:53.355 --> 00:45:55.455
feature on the Spectre DIY?
714
00:45:57.195 --> 00:45:59.295
Not us, but some of our partners do.
715
00:45:59.755 --> 00:46:02.494
It's kinda cool that you have that as an option. Yeah.
716
00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:04.070
Yeah. In some
717
00:46:04.630 --> 00:46:06.490
for some use cases, it's great.
718
00:46:06.790 --> 00:46:07.290
Right?
719
00:46:07.830 --> 00:46:11.210
Well, anyway like that they the board does not have any
720
00:46:12.175 --> 00:46:12.675
communication
721
00:46:13.695 --> 00:46:15.075
capability at all.
722
00:46:17.215 --> 00:46:18.835
Right. And it
723
00:46:19.295 --> 00:46:20.675
cannot even multitask.
724
00:46:22.380 --> 00:46:24.560
Right. It's a very stupid device.
725
00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:29.359
And you can audit the all the coded scale on Python
726
00:46:32.615 --> 00:46:33.115
values.
727
00:46:33.974 --> 00:46:38.555
Awesome. Well, I will echo the sentiment. I definitely appreciate the team over at Spectre,
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Stepan. They're fucking legends.
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I appreciate you. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for for your product.
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Your project is awesome.
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I love it.
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I hope you continue to listen to dispatch,
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and,
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if I get
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as I use it, if I have any more feedback, whatnot, I will not hesitate to reach out to you, and I hope you'd be willing to do the same. If if you need anything from me, just consider me,
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consider me at your service in terms of in terms of feedback or or anything else.
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Thank you. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure.
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Thank you, sir. To all the freaks, reminder that silent dot link,
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very easy to use. I hope you all found this helpful. If you have any more questions for silent.link,
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hit us in our matrix chat.
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If you go to citadel dispatch.com,
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it's right there, citadel.chat,
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or send a boostagram with your comments, and I can relay them over to silent link. He's also very
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active on Twitter. His Twitter handle is at silent link 1
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on Twitter, so you can hit him up directly.
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Yeah. And that's all. I appreciate you all. Stay humble, stack sets.
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Cheers.
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Bye.
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It's your boy Odell here for another Citadel Dispatch.
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The audience funded show focused on actionable discussion only.
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Citadel dispatch has no ads or sponsors. It is funded by you guys. It's funded by our audience.
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I appreciate all you who continue to support the show. I could not do it without you. The easiest way to support the show
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is through podcasting 2.0 apps like Breeze, Fountain, Podverse dot f m. You simply load the app up with sats,
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search to dispatch,
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press the subscribe button, pick how many sats you think
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the show is worth per minute, and then as you listen, it will automatically send sats to my node.
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Podcasting 2.0 also has a boostogram feature. A boostogram is a flat payment that you send,
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one lump sum payment, and it can include a message. You can think of it kind of like a global comment section.
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And the top boost to grounds from the previous episode are read, at the beginning of every episode.
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You can also support the show by going to sil dispatch.com. I have a BTC pay server there. You can support through on chain Bitcoin or lightning Bitcoin
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through that BTC pay server. I also have
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a Pay NIM, which uses BIP 47 supported by Samari Wallet and Sparrow Wallet. My Pay NIM is
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Odell. Very easy to remember, so you can send
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support that way. I do thank all the freaks who continue to support the show. Like I said, I could not do it without you.
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And now I understand that it is a bear market. If you cannot support the show
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via stats, it's completely respectable.
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You can also support the show by
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subscribing, leaving a review on your favorite platform, whether that's Twitch,
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YouTube, or your favorite podcast app. So dispatch is available in all podcast apps. Consider sharing it with your friends and family.
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That really does go a long way, and I appreciate all of you who do that.
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As always, on SIL dispatch, we will have our live chat going. You can participate in a live chat on YouTube,
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Twitch,
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or on our matrix chat. All those links are at sill dispatch.com.
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That is if you click that citadel.chat
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link, obviously, the Twitch link is if you click Twitch, and YouTube is if you click YouTube.
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So,
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before we get started, I'm just gonna read some of the top boostograms,
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from the previous
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few shows.
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We had,
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user,
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lots of numbers
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attached to the user,
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gave sent 60,000 sats. He said, you had me dying when you had to clarify that douchebag was a username, LOL.
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Then we had Riku Maru
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saying with 12,000 sats saying, thanks for not shying away from the hard topics. Matt, I'm a fan of Samura, and I think the conclusion of the show should be, please add a warning screen on mobile app a la Spiro in order to help onboarding
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education. We have Blockchain Boog with 5,000 sets saying great combo. I would give it to Zelco.
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And then I'm also gonna go and read some from our most recent bitcoin dot review episode.
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We have Peter
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with a 100,000 sat saying, here's $20 to buy a burrito in ramala
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Ramallah. Cheers.
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And then we have CA Danner, ride or die freak with 75100
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sat saying, love the good nature debate and good humor from from your satoshi white paper artist freak, CA Danner. We have CA Danner's art up at Bitcoin Park.
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I really do appreciate you, CA.
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And then we have Nomad Joe, last but not least, with 2,222
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Anyway, you can read all the boostograms
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and your favorite podcasting 2 point o app. They're all public.
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I will continue to read them in the future.
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I do appreciate all the support once again.
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So with all that said, we have a very interesting guest and topic lined up for today.
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You may have heard me talk about their project in the past.
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That project is silent.link.
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It is a,
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it is a website where you can pay with Bitcoin without any KYC info
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and get a mobile phone eSIM.
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If you remember those SIM cards that we use to enable a mobile phone,
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Now they have digital versions that you can download right to your phone. You can buy one of these at silent.link.
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And we have,
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I believe, the founder of silent.link or one of the lead maintainers on the show today. How's it going, silent link?
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with you today.
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That's okay. With some hard questions.
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you listen to dispatch regularly, and I've been trying to get you on the show for a while now.
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I I we're both planning on keeping this conversation tight,
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right to the point. As always, Freaks, if you have any questions or comments, just throw them in the live chat, and we will get to them.
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Let's start with, just a basic rundown
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of of the offering of SilentLink. What does SilentLink offer people?
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decoupled from your
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official identity.
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We do not require anything.
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We do not require even an email address.
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You just pay Bitcoin and, get
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an eSIM that can,
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have or a number or be just data only
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as in?
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where it's it's just Internet data only. You don't have a phone number attached to it, and then there's one that's more expensive that you have a phone number attached to it.
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I guess so, obviously,
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we've talked on dispatch a lot about mobile phone privacy,
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and a lot of that starts,
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which which carrier you choose and and and how you get that SIM card.
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throughout the
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developed world. It's becoming harder and harder to get a SIM card that's not immediately attached to your identity. If you sign up for something like one of the big majors in in in America, like an AT and T or Verizon, they, like, basically ask for everything short of the blood of your firstborn child. They're asking for your name, your your email, your mailing address, maybe a driver's license number, credit card information.
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All this stuff is obviously completely tied to your identity.
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A lot of us have gone out of our way to go and get SIM cards with cash and buy them with cash. But even a lot of those prepaid SIM cards now, once you get them, you have to go and activate on their website, and they require all this additional information. Maybe they block VPN usage,
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while you're doing the sign up process. It's it's a really difficult process to to get a SIM card
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that that isn't,
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directly tied to your legal identity.
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how are you
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able to offer us the ability to buy these ESIMs without giving you any personal information when all of these other companies aren't able to do that?
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operators,
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actually have this task of identifying
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their customers,
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mostly because
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they relate to advertising, I guess.
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When you deal with,
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say,
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bulk offerings, when you buy numbers, when you buy channels, when you buy SIM profiles,
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there is actually no requirement to
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provide KYC information,
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with the exception of phone numbers.
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Phone numbers were difficult for us to source without KYC requirements,
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but we managed to
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United States phone numbers
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and,
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United Kingdom phone numbers. For some limited time, we were offering,
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Dutch phone numbers.
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But at the moment, we are out of,
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the stock, and we are still looking for a way to source
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non non KYC numbers to offer you.
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perspective, when when you're operating this business, it's easier for you to get that data only SIM than it is for you to actually get provision phone numbers.
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Interesting.
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Get them also,
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to sell them because they work much better.
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the the Internet the Internet only data plans are are useful for people.
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You're able to, you know, then use them with different VoIP applications and stuff like that. But a lot of a lot of the advantage
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is lost when you don't have the phone number. So many different services require phone numbers that are basically
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used as these identifiers. So the fact that we can get phone numbers
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through silent link is is probably,
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substantially,
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you know, bigger of a deal for users than than the data only.
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customers that
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when they get these, these numbers, they're dealing with outdated technology, and they always
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in the risk of identifying themselves,
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like, for example,
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using these capabilities
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of voice and text,
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by actually talking and
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receiving messages from other people, and all this is logged and voice is voice fingerprinted.
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actually, it doesn't make much sense to
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buy one of our identity plans and then start
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talking on the phone like the good old days.
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use the native call functionality.
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the your your plans don't include
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outbound calls. Users cannot make outbound calls.
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What what's the reasoning for that?
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capability,
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we,
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have to deal with enormous
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volumes of abuse and spam.
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feasible for us.
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2nd, it doesn't make much sense in terms of providing an anonymous service because as I have already mentioned,
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the subscribers get immediately
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voice fingerprinted on their calls.
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These are main reasons. And another,
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more technical reason is it's a little bit easier to source
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phone numbers,
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with inbound
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voice capability
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without outbound outbound voice capability,
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with no KYC information.
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become a place, that where most of the spam is originated, we
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will be shut down. That's all. Right. That makes sense.
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wants everyone to know that the matrix chat is the best chat. I I just want all the freaks. If if you're a new freak, just to be aware that that matrix chat goes 247,
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365. So even when we're not,
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broadcasting live on dispatch, we have a lot of great discussion over there, and you should consider joining even if you're participating through YouTube or Twitch.
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So what what's the reasoning so outbound calls are not allowed,
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outbound texts
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are not allowed,
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but inbound calls and texts are allowed. Is that just,
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to give users options? Like, why not disable both of those 2 if if part of it is
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privacy reasons?
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regular phone numbers,
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we,
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suggest that you sign up for some VoIP service of your own choice.
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We will not ever offer this service because we do not,
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mix the risks in one
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place.
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Right. You sign sign up. Preferably, it should be anonymous
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and, paid with Bitcoin
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and use that to call,
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public telephone network.
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That makes sense to me.
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So you you
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you answered this question on Twitter that someone had
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a Horizon Compass had this question.
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Does silent link use roaming all the time?
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And what is the advantage of using a foreign identity account, AKA using a UK number in the US versus a US number in the US.
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Do you wanna go into that a little bit? Let's let's start with
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why why does silent link use roaming all the time?
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VIP persons were,
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using roaming SIM cards
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for as long as SIM cards exist.
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much more difficult
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a SIM card that's not, issued by a local
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that came from some other country.
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very trivial to for local law enforcement or someone that
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have some connections in the local operator
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do whatever they want with their SIM card.
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some foreign telecom,
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it's much, much harder.
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SilentLink and I'm getting a US number,
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that's a US number
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a non US based
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telco?
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separately from where
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we source profiles and where we get the
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roaming service. These are all
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different entities, different operators, and,
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we make sure that
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this is all interoperable.
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we got a US phone number through silent link, and I'm using it in the States. I'm, like, base I'm basically roaming on T Mobile or something like that,
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but T Mobile hasn't provided me
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the the the SIM. The SIM is a different telco. And as a result
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as a result, T Mobile has less,
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ability to to basically,
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pull files on me.
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Did I get that correct?
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First, they do not know your identity.
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Right. 2nd, they do not ever
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know your phone number.
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Because,
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when
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a foreign SIM is,
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roaming,
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in the carrier network,
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the carrier does not know its phone number. It's,
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the operate,
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internal ID. It's called IMSI.
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And that's different that's different than the IMEI.
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identifier.
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And IMSI is the SIM identifier? Or is Yes. Exactly.
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So BTC PINs asked if he uses an eSIM on his phone that also has a SIM in it, like a physical SIM that's attached to his identity,
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the 2 can be linked. Correct?
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in practice, they will have different,
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IMEIs because the
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SIM part of the phone has one IMEI and
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the EUICC.
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This is the eSIM
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part of the phone has a different
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IMEI
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for the phones that I know. So it's not actually horrible.
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link between those identifiers.
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But for for the carrier, it's not trivial.
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Can can the carrier that I'm roaming on tell that I that I bought my SIM on silent link?
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all
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most,
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most of our it seems
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come from 1,
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one roaming partner.
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So they most of them appear as if you're a visitor from Poland or Israel.
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Got it. But we will be offering
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more,
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it seems, from, different vendors as well.
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And BGC Pens made an interesting point about
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the previous sim
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physical sim versus e sim. Google would have a database of both of those identifiers. So, presumably, the man if it's a pixel.
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So, presumably, the manufacturer
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could link the 2.
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Right? If it's like an iPhone or a Pixel or something.
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Okay. That makes sense to me.
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So, I mean,
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one of the
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one of the main questions that I've that I've always had
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is,
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obviously, if I if I'm using silent.link,
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when when we talk about
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phone privacy,
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there's there's 2 main trust
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factors
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that in my head. And one is if you're using
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plain text,
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just regular SMS messages. Obviously, those are, like, postcards. They're not encrypted.
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The carrier can read them.
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And the other is, you know, phone regular phone calls. But let's say you're you're not doing either of those, so they're going through an app or whatever that's encrypted, like signal
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or matrix or something like that. The secondary
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trust factor is
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that
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there is an ability to triangulate your location using
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near cell towers. So they take 3 cell towers, and they're able to track your location based on those 3 cell towers.
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Is SilentLink
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are you able to
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if you were coerced, if you were forced to or or if you wanted to do this, are are we putting trust in you not to triangulate our location? Is that possible for you?
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retailers.
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so the only information that they have is
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the
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date and time of,
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purchase. That's all.
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one of our users
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is targeted,
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then what actually happens is this.
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The authorities
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might follow the number.
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They will come to the
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pool number pool operator.
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From there, they will
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go to a roaming provider.
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there,
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they will eventually get to a local carrier,
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and only the local carrier has the location information.
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So they have to go through all those hoops before they could actually
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figure out what towers it attached to? They couldn't just go if I was roaming on T Mobile, they couldn't just go to T Mobile and be, like, what where the location is?
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spot, then, of course, they do not need to,
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go all the way. They just can
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continue allocating you based on your previous location information.
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your IMEI, and they can forward.
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What would you and I think this is kinda connected to the last question.
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I mean, I
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so it's it's really hard for in in in America, it's gotten increasingly difficult
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to get
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to get a phone number without attaching it to your identity.
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It
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I I you know, you you seem to allude that a lot of it is is based on on corporate
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the the
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the need for corporations or corporations
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desiring to
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sell our marketing data. But it seems like there's also a major regulatory push to,
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to force KYC information when you buy a phone number.
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So as a result, when someone sees a service like this,
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that seems
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almost too good to be true, like, I can just literally just go to the website, pay with Bitcoin,
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press the download button, and then my compatible phone that's compatible with eSIMs literally just all of a sudden has
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cell reception and a phone number, and I can top it up with Bitcoin without providing an email or or anything.
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Their the first thought is is this must be, you know, an intentional honey pot. This must be a spook. This must
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be someone who's trying to
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deanonymize
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people that want privacy or Bitcoiners specifically.
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What do you say to people that have that concern?
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ask you
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for your identity,
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it doesn't make you a spook.
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And that's a very We are just a way we're just a way not to provide this information. That's it.
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are you the only ones? Like, are there other services that I can use out there that I can just pay with Bitcoin and just not give up any information and get a NESIM?
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Why do you think that we know of.
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it's
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inherently
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impossible
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to provide the service, as I have said already.
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It's because
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people that are in telecom
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do not trust
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Bitcoin as a means of payment yet.
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I mean, so let's jump into the product offering a little but first of all, I just wanna thank you again for joining us.
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This is a product that I've used, I find very useful. Like I said, I've talked about on
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dispatch
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many
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times.
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It is, I mean, it it is the ideal type of
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product that you'd like to see come out of of Bitcoin as a payments technology. Like, the ability that I I can
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essentially shop from you as a provider from around the world without giving you my private information and get a service that I that I really need, that I can't find somewhere else.
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And it's also very useful for travel. Like, I I know a lot of people that use it specifically when they come to America,
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because it's hard to get a data plan in America,
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as an international.
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So so first, the user is paying
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the user pays $60,
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a year reoccurring fee for the identity plan. We'll focus on the identity plan. They get the US number,
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and they have a $5 initial balance,
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And then so they're getting
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they get a page. They basically get, like, an account page that they have to save, and that account page is where they they basically have to top it up
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to pay
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for their data usage
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and,
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their text usage if they're if they're using text messages,
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on a per usage basis.
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How does how do you come up with the and the pricing is all listed at silent.lang/rates.
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How how are these prices,
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determined?
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They are offering the same prices.
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Right?
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So so, actually, the roaming provider like, so you're getting the SIM from, like you said, like, a Polish provider or an Israeli provider,
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and then they have a contract with, like, T Mobile in the United States to pay a certain rate.
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And then they pass that on to you, and then you charge the customer.
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here, please,
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throw them in the chat.
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This has been an extremely productive conversation so far. I mean, we're only a half an hour in, and I just feel like we've nailed pretty much everything.
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What is there something specifically that you'd like to talk about?
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I would like to invite all merchants to
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join us with providing the services to the Bitcoin community because it's
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a great pleasure.
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Do you think,
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do you think we're trending in the right direction? Are are you
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are are you disappointed with how few Bitcoin merchants are, or is it the opposite that you're you're impressed with? The opposite. We we are impressed. It's a great pleasure as I've seen. I feel like it's been growing relatively quickly,
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at least recently, the last, like, 2 years or so.
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And and, specifically, I mean, what's really rare is is seeing Bitcoin only merchants like yourself where you don't even,
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you don't even accept credit cards. You there's no fiat. It's just Bitcoin only.
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who we respect.
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That Uh-huh.
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As a native means of payment, but
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we have no such plans at the moment because,
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BTC paid server is,
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in
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management of the Lightning node. There's enough headache for us at the moment.
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right now, I mean, you have a link on your website. You essentially, like, tell people to use one of the swap services if they wanna pay with Monero. Right?
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another asset.
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Unfortunately, some people are always making us with, we do not want to trust some third party. We try to explain that it doesn't
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make any sense, actually.
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You do not need to trust fixed float
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to do the payment.
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So
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do do you think,
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that's interesting. I mean, for a lot for a long time, like, I mean, I I personally think BTC pay server is one of the most important projects in our space,
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just because it makes it so easy for merchants to accept Bitcoin natively and sovereignly,
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and it seems like you would agree with that.
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is what made us, make the service.
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projects in the Bitcoin space. Oh, that means a lot. Glad to hear that. Have to power, yeah, yeah, our attention to this
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to BTCPay server, and, then after we saw it, of course, we want to use
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499
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500
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501
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502
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503
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Appreciate all you freaks who give us questions.
504
00:32:17.655 --> 00:32:21.035
Couldn't do without you. We have Carlos in the comments saying,
505
00:32:21.975 --> 00:32:27.700
have you ever had any issues with the providers that connect some mobile network operators, I e, Syniverse?
506
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:30.660
507
00:32:31.760 --> 00:32:33.540
508
00:32:34.925 --> 00:32:36.145
Neither do I. No.
509
00:32:37.405 --> 00:32:39.505
Carlos, if you wanna give us more context,
510
00:32:39.805 --> 00:32:43.905
in the comments, let us know. I don't know what Cineverse is. We also have dread,
511
00:32:44.429 --> 00:32:46.929
ride or die freak Dred in the matrix chat
512
00:32:47.389 --> 00:32:47.889
asking,
513
00:32:49.309 --> 00:32:53.649
any thoughts around streaming lightning as a payment for data SMS?
514
00:32:57.375 --> 00:32:58.675
515
00:32:59.135 --> 00:33:00.595
lightning used for
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everything.
517
00:33:02.415 --> 00:33:03.555
It's a great technology.
518
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519
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520
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521
00:33:16.115 --> 00:33:23.815
Is there any he's also asking, is there any kind of VPN proxy bridge functionality bent into the eSIM for places like China?
522
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523
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circumvent
524
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the state firewalls.
525
00:33:37.895 --> 00:33:39.600
526
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527
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data goes
528
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to Poland or Israel, and
529
00:33:48.945 --> 00:33:51.285
it goes to to the Internet from there.
530
00:33:52.065 --> 00:33:54.565
So Oh, that's interesting. Great China firewall.
531
00:33:55.025 --> 00:33:55.525
Unfortunately,
532
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Chinese
533
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Communist Party goes to great lengths to,
534
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:03.580
forbid any it's incompatible
535
00:34:04.120 --> 00:34:10.275
forms from China. So you cannot buy an ISIN compatible form in China. You can only bring it from abroad.
536
00:34:14.609 --> 00:34:15.109
537
00:34:16.450 --> 00:34:23.184
oh, I see. So the, the phones aren't even sold there. You have to get the the physical phone. You have to get abroad.
538
00:34:24.125 --> 00:34:25.164
539
00:34:25.724 --> 00:34:44.995
iPhones and the Pixels, I don't know if they have have pixels, but they have iPhones definitely, and the iPhones, that are sold on channel do not have a sim capability at all. Oh, so, like, the new iPhone, the iPhone 14 that they made a whole big deal about being eSIM only, the one that's sold in China is gonna have no eSIM compatibility whatsoever.
540
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I I wonder what they're going to do with all the previous models,
541
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that was sold sold in China mainland,
542
00:34:52.160 --> 00:34:54.579
had no sync mobility whatsoever.
543
00:34:55.785 --> 00:35:03.805
544
00:35:05.160 --> 00:35:09.660
So the European version of the iPhone 14 will have a SIM card slot and eSIM support,
545
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:22.720
and then the US version will not have a SIM card slot, will only do eSIM. And now my my assumption here is is the Chinese one will be SIM only, and they just have 3 different SKUs,
546
00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:25.359
for the different 2 SIM cards.
547
00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:31.285
Oh, yeah. They could do 2 SIM. And funny story with that, when they don't have the SIM,
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00:35:31.905 --> 00:35:32.405
functionality
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00:35:32.945 --> 00:35:37.770
physical SIM card functionality in the US. So someone opened it up, and it's just got
550
00:35:38.390 --> 00:35:42.410
a it's got, like, a plastic block in the place where the SIM card would be
551
00:35:42.755 --> 00:35:50.590
because they didn't wanna make it, you know, different phone model, and they didn't want it to bend when they click it. So they have the space for it. They just chose not to do it.
552
00:35:51.230 --> 00:35:53.970
Carlos says, Cineverse is used to facilitate
553
00:35:54.270 --> 00:35:59.090
establishment of data sessions for roaming subscribers, also used for text and maybe
554
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multimedia messages.
555
00:36:02.515 --> 00:36:03.015
Well,
556
00:36:03.315 --> 00:36:07.095
it sounds like you've had no issues there. Have you had any issues with,
557
00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:11.400
someone buying
558
00:36:12.100 --> 00:36:17.640
a number or something and then it getting cut off midyear, like, while they're in their plan?
559
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560
00:36:20.744 --> 00:36:21.244
Never.
561
00:36:21.865 --> 00:36:25.645
562
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.340
That's gonna be the hardest part of your business, right, is is the actual
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providers.
564
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565
00:36:34.015 --> 00:36:34.515
We,
566
00:36:34.895 --> 00:36:36.575
tried different vendors and,
567
00:36:37.295 --> 00:36:39.875
some were more reliable in terms of
568
00:36:40.735 --> 00:36:43.420
message reception and caller reception, and
569
00:36:43.900 --> 00:36:45.359
we are offering the best.
570
00:36:46.299 --> 00:36:52.480
571
00:36:53.285 --> 00:36:57.464
Just go back to that merchant adoption tangent we were talking about. What do you think
572
00:36:58.565 --> 00:36:59.525
what do you think will
573
00:37:00.120 --> 00:37:03.420
what is the single biggest thing that'll help boost merchant adoption?
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575
00:37:09.454 --> 00:37:11.155
576
00:37:11.934 --> 00:37:13.555
577
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578
00:37:21.830 --> 00:37:25.290
I mean, it's it's pretty cool that you can just offer your business globally.
579
00:37:25.605 --> 00:37:28.825
Just accept Bitcoin, not deal with banks or anything.
580
00:37:31.445 --> 00:37:36.440
Well, Freaks, if you don't have any more questions, I'm gonna wrap this thing up because this has been
581
00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:40.680
probably the highest signal 40 minutes I've ever done on dispatch,
582
00:37:42.105 --> 00:37:44.045
and I have no more questions
583
00:37:44.505 --> 00:37:45.645
for this gentleman.
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00:37:47.465 --> 00:37:52.830
We'll give you, like, a little bit more time if you have any last minute questions. Let me see if Twitter
585
00:37:54.330 --> 00:37:56.030
has mentioned anything.
586
00:37:57.865 --> 00:37:59.725
Don't see any Twitter questions.
587
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588
00:38:03.465 --> 00:38:07.369
589
00:38:08.070 --> 00:38:10.250
590
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to use VPN.
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592
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593
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Some are better for
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one thing, and
595
00:38:26.050 --> 00:38:27.910
some are better for other things.
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00:38:30.985 --> 00:38:33.485
I would like to encourage them to study
597
00:38:34.105 --> 00:38:35.005
2 on network.
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And,
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Great project.
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00:38:42.930 --> 00:38:45.109
601
00:38:45.984 --> 00:38:46.484
602
00:38:47.505 --> 00:38:50.325
Hootenix is the pro proper way to use Tor.
603
00:38:50.785 --> 00:38:51.285
604
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On your VPN
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comment,
606
00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.080
this is a topic that I talk about a lot.
607
00:38:59.020 --> 00:39:00.885
You wanna go into what
608
00:39:01.365 --> 00:39:09.865
when you should be using, like, a hosted VPN like, MOLVAD versus using your own self hosted VPN on some kind of virtual private server somewhere?
609
00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:11.340
610
00:39:11.900 --> 00:39:14.800
obviously, if you use something like mobile, you
611
00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:15.820
kind of,
612
00:39:17.465 --> 00:39:22.845
supposedly have an unlinked set of other users, whereas if you if you use your own VPN,
613
00:39:23.465 --> 00:39:25.085
then your IP address
614
00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:27.490
connects all your activity.
615
00:39:29.150 --> 00:39:30.930
But I guess for,
616
00:39:34.165 --> 00:39:37.305
maybe not majority, but the large portion of people,
617
00:39:38.245 --> 00:39:40.665
it really makes sense to study this
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00:39:41.125 --> 00:39:42.505
self hosted VPN
619
00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:44.530
option.
620
00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:51.810
621
00:39:53.835 --> 00:40:00.015
when you're using a hosted VPN, you're trusting the hosted VPN provider. So if you're using MOLVAD, MOLVAD says,
622
00:40:01.770 --> 00:40:05.950
you know, we don't take any logs. We we're not tracking your Internet traffic,
623
00:40:06.410 --> 00:40:10.109
but there's no way for anyone to prove it. It's a trust relationship. Now MOLVAD
624
00:40:10.694 --> 00:40:18.714
is similar to your offering in that it doesn't even ask for an email address. You literally just get an account number. You pay with Bitcoin, you get an account number.
625
00:40:19.089 --> 00:40:19.990
So they don't specifically
626
00:40:20.290 --> 00:40:25.190
know who you are, but they obviously know your IP addresses, stuff like that when you connect to the network,
627
00:40:25.890 --> 00:40:31.945
and you are trusting them with your Internet traffic. But the benefit there is if you go to some website, let's say you go
628
00:40:32.885 --> 00:40:35.305
to let's say you you go to google.com,
629
00:40:36.490 --> 00:40:49.505
your IP address shows up as every other mobile user that uses that. So you have the anonymity set of the crowd there. Now if you use a self hosted VPN, you don't have to trust a hosted VPN provider because you're running it yourself.
630
00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:56.119
But if you go to Google and then you go to Facebook and then you go to Amazon or something,
631
00:40:56.500 --> 00:41:00.440
that same IP address will be linked across all three of those sites.
632
00:41:01.695 --> 00:41:02.355
So they
633
00:41:02.734 --> 00:41:10.560
they have different benefits and and negatives, and you kinda have to weigh them depending on what you're trying to achieve and what your threat model is.
634
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:14.260
Do you think that was well put?
635
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.900
636
00:41:19.245 --> 00:41:20.285
quite easy to,
637
00:41:20.765 --> 00:41:21.265
host
638
00:41:22.685 --> 00:41:25.905
host the VPS without providing you identity as well.
639
00:41:26.285 --> 00:41:28.610
640
00:41:29.970 --> 00:41:30.470
641
00:41:31.490 --> 00:41:36.470
642
00:41:37.745 --> 00:41:38.245
643
00:41:39.425 --> 00:41:40.165
Fair enough.
644
00:41:42.225 --> 00:41:42.945
645
00:41:43.425 --> 00:41:48.380
I mean, obviously, you just told everyone they should look into VPNs and run a VPN when they're running,
646
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:55.494
SilentLink. But BTC pins asked, is there much benefit to doing that? So why do you tell people that they should do that?
647
00:41:57.954 --> 00:42:01.895
648
00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:04.320
roaming partner to be able to,
649
00:42:04.780 --> 00:42:06.960
snoop into the data track.
650
00:42:09.020 --> 00:42:09.500
And,
651
00:42:10.300 --> 00:42:10.800
maybe,
652
00:42:12.305 --> 00:42:12.805
having
653
00:42:13.585 --> 00:42:17.205
a Polish or Israeli IP address is not
654
00:42:17.665 --> 00:42:19.925
the best option in all the cases.
655
00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:21.600
So we would like to,
656
00:42:22.700 --> 00:42:25.520
point our users to the fact that they are absolutely
657
00:42:26.540 --> 00:42:27.040
free,
658
00:42:27.820 --> 00:42:29.840
to have control over the
659
00:42:30.285 --> 00:42:31.744
IP address by using
660
00:42:32.204 --> 00:42:32.704
VPNs.
661
00:42:34.924 --> 00:42:36.704
662
00:42:38.850 --> 00:42:46.225
the constant push by you. And even all the literature on the website is what I've talked about a lot, which is this idea that, you
663
00:42:47.565 --> 00:42:58.410
know, to to if if you're running a privacy if you're running any business, like, really, you should want it the the least amount of information on your customers as possible. You don't want that liability. I don't want you don't wanna know
664
00:42:59.029 --> 00:43:00.009
what they're doing,
665
00:43:00.470 --> 00:43:02.329
because then all of a sudden,
666
00:43:03.035 --> 00:43:03.535
like,
667
00:43:03.835 --> 00:43:08.015
you could hand over that data. You could be forced to hand over that data. That data could leak.
668
00:43:08.955 --> 00:43:17.070
And I really just appreciate how it's just constant. It's constant with you that you just don't want you want as little information on your users as possible.
669
00:43:18.795 --> 00:43:19.615
670
00:43:20.075 --> 00:43:22.015
Exactly. Thank you for pointing that.
671
00:43:24.234 --> 00:43:24.734
672
00:43:25.275 --> 00:43:28.330
Do you have any any additional thoughts before we wrap?
673
00:43:31.130 --> 00:43:32.590
674
00:43:33.610 --> 00:43:36.270
Spector wallet team and Stepan Snegurov
675
00:43:37.385 --> 00:43:38.125
in particular.
676
00:43:39.785 --> 00:43:45.245
I see. If they're a great product, then I don't know how we would operate our business because,
677
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:47.960
actually,
678
00:43:49.700 --> 00:43:53.800
we believe only in do it yourself hardware bots.
679
00:43:54.865 --> 00:43:59.045
680
00:43:59.825 --> 00:44:02.160
681
00:44:02.540 --> 00:44:04.000
buying more for
682
00:44:04.460 --> 00:44:07.200
our partners, for our friends, for our relatives.
683
00:44:08.060 --> 00:44:08.880
684
00:44:09.585 --> 00:44:13.285
Yeah. No. I love that team. They also have a great software wallet on desktop.
685
00:44:14.145 --> 00:44:16.805
Them and Sparrow are my 2 favorite desktop wallets,
686
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:26.740
fully open source. You can use it with your own node very easily. Have you ever checked out the seed signer project? It's very similar to their DIY product, but it's, cheaper.
687
00:44:33.215 --> 00:44:33.715
688
00:44:34.809 --> 00:44:37.150
I we appreciate the effort, but
689
00:44:38.010 --> 00:44:44.349
comparing the seed signer to the Spectrum wallet is how will you do the same product the wrong way?
690
00:44:46.555 --> 00:44:48.415
691
00:44:50.155 --> 00:44:51.935
692
00:44:53.220 --> 00:44:55.000
main things about Spectrum wallet
693
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:55.880
are,
694
00:44:56.420 --> 00:44:57.560
it has a big screen,
695
00:44:58.100 --> 00:44:59.960
so it lets you easily
696
00:45:01.325 --> 00:45:03.825
input your seed words, and you actually
697
00:45:04.125 --> 00:45:05.424
can use it stateless.
698
00:45:07.325 --> 00:45:08.065
And only
699
00:45:08.365 --> 00:45:11.970
by using it stateless, it gives you the ultimate freedom
700
00:45:13.150 --> 00:45:14.370
and ultimate security.
701
00:45:15.470 --> 00:45:16.850
With the system, unfortunately,
702
00:45:17.790 --> 00:45:20.855
you are tied to your hardware device. You cannot easily
703
00:45:21.395 --> 00:45:22.615
input your SibWords.
704
00:45:23.475 --> 00:45:26.455
705
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.260
706
00:45:31.640 --> 00:45:33.819
707
00:45:34.520 --> 00:45:35.339
708
00:45:37.025 --> 00:45:39.605
So this part, you have this part, and
709
00:45:40.145 --> 00:45:40.805
it never
710
00:45:41.425 --> 00:45:48.000
711
00:45:48.860 --> 00:45:49.520
seeds in.
712
00:45:50.700 --> 00:45:53.040
Do you ever use the smart card
713
00:45:53.355 --> 00:45:55.455
feature on the Spectre DIY?
714
00:45:57.195 --> 00:45:59.295
715
00:45:59.755 --> 00:46:02.494
716
00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:04.070
717
00:46:04.630 --> 00:46:06.490
for some use cases, it's great.
718
00:46:06.790 --> 00:46:07.290
Right?
719
00:46:07.830 --> 00:46:11.210
Well, anyway like that they the board does not have any
720
00:46:12.175 --> 00:46:12.675
communication
721
00:46:13.695 --> 00:46:15.075
capability at all.
722
00:46:17.215 --> 00:46:18.835
Right. And it
723
00:46:19.295 --> 00:46:20.675
cannot even multitask.
724
00:46:22.380 --> 00:46:24.560
Right. It's a very stupid device.
725
00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:29.359
And you can audit the all the coded scale on Python
726
00:46:32.615 --> 00:46:33.115
727
00:46:33.974 --> 00:46:38.555
728
00:46:38.860 --> 00:46:40.640
Stepan. They're fucking legends.
729
00:46:41.740 --> 00:46:46.000
I appreciate you. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for for your product.
730
00:46:46.700 --> 00:46:48.000
Your project is awesome.
731
00:46:49.015 --> 00:46:49.835
I love it.
732
00:46:50.455 --> 00:46:52.555
I hope you continue to listen to dispatch,
733
00:46:52.935 --> 00:46:53.175
and,
734
00:46:53.735 --> 00:46:54.555
if I get
735
00:46:54.855 --> 00:47:04.300
as I use it, if I have any more feedback, whatnot, I will not hesitate to reach out to you, and I hope you'd be willing to do the same. If if you need anything from me, just consider me,
736
00:47:05.595 --> 00:47:10.335
consider me at your service in terms of in terms of feedback or or anything else.
737
00:47:12.050 --> 00:47:14.710
738
00:47:15.170 --> 00:47:19.510
739
00:47:20.785 --> 00:47:26.244
very easy to use. I hope you all found this helpful. If you have any more questions for silent.link,
740
00:47:27.425 --> 00:47:29.365
hit us in our matrix chat.
741
00:47:29.750 --> 00:47:31.610
If you go to citadel dispatch.com,
742
00:47:32.070 --> 00:47:33.210
it's right there, citadel.chat,
743
00:47:35.590 --> 00:47:41.065
or send a boostagram with your comments, and I can relay them over to silent link. He's also very
744
00:47:41.445 --> 00:47:45.065
active on Twitter. His Twitter handle is at silent link 1
745
00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:47.840
on Twitter, so you can hit him up directly.
746
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:52.880
Yeah. And that's all. I appreciate you all. Stay humble, stack sets.
747
00:47:54.380 --> 00:47:54.880
Cheers.
748
00:47:55.522 --> 00:47:56.022
Bye.
