Aug. 12, 2022
CD74: Code, Nyms, and Life with @r0ckstardev
EPISODE: 74
BLOCK: 749169
PRICE: 4140 sats per dollar
TOPICS: digital identities, privacy is not secrecy, freedom requires privacy, the end of the rockstardev identity
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06:29 - The US Treasury sanctioning the Tornado Cash smart contract
32:09 - The importance of privacy and its impact on wealth and freedom
45:35 - The need for personal responsibility and the fight for privacy
49:25 - Missing the old days of BBS and Earth Chats
49:57 - The dark side of social media
50:15 - The rise of TikTok as a social media giant
01:32:06 - American Funeral and the spangled banner
01:33:28 - Voice synthesis and public identity
01:35:40 - Final thoughts and appreciation
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Happy Bitcoin Friday afternoon, freaks.
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It's your boy Odell here
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for the second of
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a Citadel dispatch doubleheader on this Bitcoin Friday.
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I am fortunate enough
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to be
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joined
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by
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previous
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guest of the pod and good friend, Rockstar Dev. How's it going, Rockstar?
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Always amazing when we're together, Matt, so
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always amazing. It's been a big week.
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It has been. I mean, we've been on panel together, then a workshop on privacy,
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and, funeral tomorrow.
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You really have
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this Bitcoin part going with events.
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So
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the funeral that Rockstar is talking about
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is he is
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ending
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this nim. He's ending this identity
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tomorrow,
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and I'm going to have the honor of
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conducting the funeral. Is that is that the word?
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Yeah. Leading the funeral, really,
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with your beautiful voice, and I can't wait for the eulogy. You don't wanna share any details of the eulogy yet.
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Very good eulogy.
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Well, I hope so. No. I don't wanna build it up too much. It's my first it's my first eulogy. I've never given one before.
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Oh, so I'm I'm your first. Nice. Yeah. And you're gonna actually be listening to it, which is like it adds extra pressure.
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Well, I'm telling you, I'm still hoping you jump into casket with me. No shot. Not gonna happen.
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Okay.
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It's important to set expectations correctly.
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So last time you were on the show, when was the last time you were on dispatch?
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No. That's a hard question. I guess it's been,
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like, 4 months. If I was Stefan, I would already have that information available, but I really do not know.
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I don't know. You're you're good with episodes. I I love how you have those favorite episodes,
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and someone mentioned some topic, and you're immediately, like, episode 43. Well, 43 is the Yeah. It's our beginner's episode. That's an important one to run for. Yeah.
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Shout out to q and a for helping with that.
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Shout out to him. I hope
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you like
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how Matt and me have delivered with those
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stamps.
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We have whole Miami with
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no kyconly.com
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stamp.
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That was a good one.
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So yeah. No. Yeah. I think he, he was happy about that. We argued about that on air.
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Oh, which episode is that? Oh, I guess we didn't argue. Like, we didn't argue about it. We talked about it. We planned that out. Me and you planned that out together on air.
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Oh, I thought you were talking with him. Yeah. Yeah. We planned it, and we delivered.
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I mean,
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we we even were were planning when the conference was happening. You're, like, overwhelmed running open source stage, and I'm like,
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Matt, we have this, like, organized lady here that's like, oh, guys. You can't be stamping dollar bills.
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Like, give you I'm like, Matt, help us out. Matt, which
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hashtags should we use? I was like, I don't know who those I don't know who those people are. Yeah.
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We have,
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com communer in the comments saying, I'm listening to the pod from a few hours ago, and now there's another live one. LOL, relax.
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No. I don't know. We can't do that. Sorry, man. When when Rockstar is in the house, we keep going hard. And,
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hopefully, he's he's
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when by the time he hears this, he'll be listening to it on the podcast app in, like, a couple days. But shout out
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to him. Well, yeah, if if he doesn't wanna be a rock star then. Okay.
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Yeah. I mean,
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my new strategy with dispatch is,
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when I have
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when I have
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good people in the area or I'm near them and I can do in person conversations, I'm gonna pump them out.
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And,
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when I don't, I'm not gonna waste my time or everyone else's time by just putting out episodes.
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And I don't like sitting on episodes
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because I feel like they age horribly, and I like the live format
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because then we have our fantastic
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all the freaks come and join us in the live chat.
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Yeah. And we were talking about this yesterday
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at the bar that,
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it's it's really interesting format because
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some conversations can happen only in, you know, certain point of time. Right. So
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this whole thing with my funeral under quotation marks, if it's tomorrow, so This is literally the last possible opportunity to interview a rock star.
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I just I'm telling you, I do wish I structured it a little bit better
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because I I did make some commitments after the funeral,
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but now I'm going for
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cameos. Right? That's how it's called. So everyone is now asked for a bit block boom. Like, who is Rockstar being there, and I just wanna announce on your pod that it will be Gary Leland.
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He's gonna shave his head and beat rock stars.
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That's who who is
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attending and presenting BTC based server workshop with Brit.
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It's gonna be Gary Leland?
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Yeah. My nephew. My oldest nephew. Good dude.
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Amazing, dude.
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So I guess let's start with, you know,
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I really wanna start with what I was
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you know, I can't stop thinking about today, and so I'd rather just
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have a conversation about it in the beginning,
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which is this whole
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situation with Tornado Cash.
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The US Treasury sanctioned the smart contract.
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They got pulled from GitHub.
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Infura and Alchemy, like, the hosted Ethereum node providers have,
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blocked them. So if users aren't using their own node, they can't access a smart contract.
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About 15%
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of the liquidity in there, it was, like, $60,000,000
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or something like that, has been withdrawn since the sanctions happened.
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Some famous people got dusted.
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What else is there? Wrapped Bitcoin and USDC got frozen,
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and
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one of the 29 year old developers
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got arrested in the Netherlands today.
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Yep. Lot lot of lot of things to unpack there. I'm just curious. I mean, you're obviously
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you're everybody's uncle.
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You've been around for a minute.
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I'm curious on your perspective here. I mean
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Yeah. It is something that I've been thinking
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about even,
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like, as I was starting to contribute to BTC based server
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because I don't know,
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how many
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people remember everything that happened through the history of BTC based server, but,
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these comments are great. Sorry. I need to. Marty always gets mad at me when I read the comments when we're live, but
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No. No. It's all about, as you say, it happens at the moment. Look at what SF said. Can't stay long.
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Got family over right now. Just checking in to say hi in all caps. Thank you, rock star dev. Great work. Killing it since you've been around. Good stuff. Thank you, Asif.
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Yeah.
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For me,
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I've been thinking about this. Yeah. As as I was, you know, starting to contribute to b t c pay server, and
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there were quite a few moments where
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you had situations where it's quite obvious that that I mean, this is coming.
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As we proceed with separating money and state, it's insane to think that state will not fight fight back in some form.
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And, we are still not at the stage where
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it's really direct conflict,
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but it's obviously indirect,
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because
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this this whole move to
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place
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smart contracts, like, under OFAC list, and then
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there must have been someone in that decision process who was, like, how will we even enforce this?
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like, we
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there is no robust there is no fair way to enforce the regulation.
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So, like, what, yeah, what are we doing here?
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And,
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to me, like, I've been thinking about that from the perspective of contributing to open source and b two c pay server because
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it's it's the same thing. It's like, hey, someone
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was running
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BTC based server instance,
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was accepting
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funds,
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for Some kind of criminal activity or something. Yeah. Something that's designated as a criminal activity in a local, you know,
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regulatory region. And now, like, oh, you know, you created code that
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allows that. Okay. It's your fault.
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Yeah. The slope gets really slippery if you start
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Yeah. If you start going after developers for the code they write. Yeah. And and
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again, like, I don't know how many people remember, but I I distinctly remember the moment where it's like, okay, it's great that I'm at least a NIM. Well, although, yeah, I'm
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not so good on on this nim,
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which is one of the reasons why it's, yeah, getting killed. But It's a good timing. Yeah. It is. But Or maybe,
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like, a year ago would have been good timing. Well, no. I think it takes it's still ahead of the curve because
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do you remember when b t c based server was highlighted on Alex Jones?
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No. I don't remember that. Well When was that? What's what's the name of that defense decentralized? Like, Cody, Court? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he went on Alex Jones and then Shilled
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BTC pay server. I do remember that. Yeah. And
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when I saw that on mainstream media, like, it was like, oh, they were accepting Bitcoin to
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print guns. I was like, okay. Yeah. Great that that at least came. The the hornet nest. Yeah. Here comes the hornet nest. And only later do I learn it's I'm gonna dox you, but it's it's
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a it's a bit steamed. He was
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he had his
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strategy general hands in all of that, but Of course. It's yeah. It's quite I mean, BTC Pay is perfect for that.
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Hey. BTC Pay is
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perfect
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as as a part of your, you know, sovereignty stack, and,
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again,
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it It allows anyone to accept money anywhere in the world without permission.
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Yeah. And if you're really at the point where you need to do all this crazy stuff with controlling money flows, you need to stop and start to think, like, why am I in a disposition?
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Like, why am I forced
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to track money movements
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on the level that that's even even today? Like like, something is wrong with the system.
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Like, let's go few steps back and see what is wrong instead of,
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like, what will they do now that were famous people got dusted? Like, will will they arrest Brian Armstrong? Well, the thing is Yeah. Brian can't prove that he didn't
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Yeah. Withdraw the tornado cash himself. Exactly.
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So
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I mean, like, the first one's, like, a little bit,
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like, whoever did the first dusting, like, dusted 0.1
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to, like, a lot of celebrities
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pretty much at the same time. But, like, if they just kept
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if if that just keeps happening over and over again at different amounts, different days, different stuff like that, then all of a sudden, it gets really, really messy.
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Part of the thing that I'm I mean, you mentioned,
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like, how how is it possible to, like, enforce this stuff?
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And, like, enforcement is obviously is obviously difficult,
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but, like, one of the reasons
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one of the main
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parts of sanctions is, like, this chilling effect that sanctions do because
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it's such a
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it's such a high penalty environment, and it's so it's a lot of it's very vague, so people are scared.
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we are like, the way we're saying our words, we're, like, watching ourselves on our words, and, like, I just wanna be clear, like, everyone should follow their local laws and not not evade sanctions. Absolutely. But,
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there's this chilling effect, and I part of me wonders, like, if they were just chilling there in the US Treasury or the Biden administration. There's some rumors that, like, the directive came directly from the Biden administration. If it was like, hey. Like, all these so called, you know, DeFi projects and stuff are, like, all super interconnected,
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and a lot of them have, like, central choke points and stuff. Let's
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let's just sanction this address. Let's just sanction this contract address and just see what hell breaks loose. Because, like, a lot it's not, now all the different services are trying to cover their ass,
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right, and kinda watch how it all unfolds. Like, maybe someone was just, you know, Yeah, but it's an exploratory thing.
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Yeah, but if if they're really
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exploring in that direction, I mean, it's pretty fucked
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up. No. It's really fucked up. Yeah.
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But I it kind of to me felt like
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a fact finding kind of thing. Like, let's see what happens.
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Like, tip of the spear kind of.
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It's a very easy thing for them to do. They literally just updated a blog post with, like, the contract address, and then they, like, press send tweet, and then they, like,
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go to bed, and they're, like, let's see what happens in the morning. Yeah. But, I mean, if you have any
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semblance of a reasonable person, like, the idea that you can do that is, you know,
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what maybe not when you wake up the next day, but the next next day, when you wake up, you need to start thinking, okay, like, is is this really how
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systems should operate?
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Like, that that you
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need to,
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that you need to arrest
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a developer
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in
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Netherlands
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who's like contributing
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to open source project on GitHub. And
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do you really wanna live in a world where, like, someone
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updates their blog post? Like, that's that's a great way to say it. Literally all they did was up update their blog post. Yeah. And and now you have
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thousands of people around the world covering their ass. I mean,
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yeah, I I don't wanna live in that system. It's just
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just stupid.
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Like, I wanna live in a system system we live in. Well, yeah.
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Well, we we keep building towards a better system because
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in this one, it's a like, what did you even solve the problem?
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Right? That that that's my point. Did you, like, solve the problem, or
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you you have covered your own ass?
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Like, I I don't see that It's just a bunch of people scrambling to cover their own ass after the blog post update is basically what it is. And and even like that blog post update, it's a question, is covering someone else's ass.
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You know? What do you mean? Well, they're they're having recent hires that are, like, cybersecurity,
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initiatives and and all that stuff. Prove that they need something? Yeah.
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So
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it's like, oh, I'm doing my job. Yeah.
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Well, by doing Like, it's not really stopping criminals from doing anything. It's just hurting law abiding people. Just
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people like it's even wasting the resources of a law abiding people
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and the, like, criminals themselves, like, okay, yeah. It's
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it's higher chaos environment in which it's easier to operate
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because you have better structure, better system. Like, it's you getting arrested. It's now the whole narrative is is not about, okay, let's look into what's actual crime that's happening here, and let's see too if someone is doing something really wrong. Let's bring them to justice.
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The queer talking here about,
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like, developer got arrested. Should GitHub do this? Should, like, conversation is in completely different
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arena, and, yeah, it's
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waste of resources, you say. It was a massive waste of resources, and it I I really don't think it
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deters most criminals.
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are able to do whatever the fuck they want
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for the most part.
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I don't know. I just feel bad for for that dev that got arrested. So and what I tweeted recently about this, it's just like, this is coming and
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this is why expected.
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I I tweeted, like, if you haven't even an ounce of technical skill,
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like, get prepared because simply it will be
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as time goes on, it will be more and more attractive
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to control developers.
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And it says that code that you now publish
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has such a big impact.
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That you have a lot of value all of a sudden. And you have a lot of value in, like, controlling,
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your code and,
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your impact, like, brings brings even more value. So,
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basically, I like, the the first
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the first,
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frontline that I see as as we continue this down this path of separating money and state it will be like that's how they're going to target. They're gonna target
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developers and code repositories
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and be like, okay.
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Sarah tweeted today that was funny.
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Like, Satoshi Nakamoto arrested for inventing Bitcoin and facilitating money laundering. You know? I mean, this is equivalent to,
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like, putting Bitcoin on the sanctions list or putting,
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Ethereum on the sanctions list, saying that whole project
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is facilitating
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crime.
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Yeah. No one can use it. It's going to direct who
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develops
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and maintains it
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is is liable for that.
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Yeah. Even though the president, at least in America, is at code of speech and protected.
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Yeah. Well,
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we will see soon enough. I mean, it it seems like other it is one of those things that's, like,
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it could get struck down by courts,
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but if it takes, like, 2 or 3 years, the chilling effect is already done.
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They learned a lot from how the systems work by causing chaos.
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So, like, even though, like, the check is there, it doesn't really help that much in the short term. Right?
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Yeah. But the way that I look at it is it's just
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it will go down the path of proof of work, man. We need we need to put in the work because,
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if you really believe in separating money and state
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you really have
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ability
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like, it's obvious to you and me, like, why that is a good thing. Okay.
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Do we really believe in it or not? Okay. We do.
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Then it's whatever it takes, man. It's
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they they put Bitcoin
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core repository
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a, what it is, like, sanctions list or they're like, you're contributing to Bitcoin. You you're facilitating money laundering. Okay. You need to fight. You need to show that
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it's a wrong approach.
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And do you what it's for. Yeah.
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the priorities
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of most Bitcoin stakeholders,
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we are prepared
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for what comes next?
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Are you troubled at all by the reactions
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over the last week of with all this stuff going on, or
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do you think we're in a good place as an ecosystem?
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I don't know how to phrase the question, but Yeah. Yeah. I get what you're saying. Like, especially Jacob was presenting all those different camps in bitcoin. Right.
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Like speculators,
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technologists.
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Yeah. In Vegas, right? He did that. Yeah. Yeah. Unconverscatable.
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You can
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Google watch it on YouTube. Google the the video. But
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I I actually think we are, man,
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in in a sense that
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everyone
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there are so many competing conversations, and then some conversations are like, oh, Bitcoin Maxis,
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uniformity of thought, this and that, but then it's,
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there are questions that, like, let's kick kick out commies out of Bitcoin. You know? There are people that are more, like, collectivistically
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minded, and
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when those conversations start popping up, I always remember, we are all satoshi video.
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You you know, that that
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like, I'm I'm in that video as well. And whenever I watch that video, I think it's so beautiful
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when,
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when you see how
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we come from all walks of life and, like, all different identities and
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people with with,
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you know, different values are still unified by Bitcoin. Right. So,
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okay.
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Maybe I don't agree with the sailor that we should
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assault
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Ethereum as a security or whatnot, but, okay, someone has that viewpoint and,
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Pierre, Corey.
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Like, okay, they that's their viewpoint. Bitcoin is for enemies. Doesn't matter. You don't have to agree with all Bitcoiners.
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Yeah. Definitely.
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It's like, okay, we we have that viewpoint
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represented.
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Like, that's actually what everyone is trying. Like, people are trying for that
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diversity.
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Well, it's really diversity of thought and viewpoints.
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And for Bitcoiners, it comes so effortlessly. It's not even like it's crazy. So but just to go back, I mean, you said
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developers
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should prepare accordingly.
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Are are most
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of the good developers in the space prepared accordingly?
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what should what do they need to do to prepare?
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there are grants. There
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are VCs. There are investors. Like, we actually have a pretty good network.
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So if any of us gets
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gets attacked in such a way that,
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you know, you need to go to court to prove your innocence. Like, I would think
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there would be a fundraiser. There would be a community support,
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especially,
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like, for myself, I I actually yeah. I don't have any fear.
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May maybe some developers that are
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not not as popular, but I I still like I look at the I look at Bitcoin Core devs the way they were defended by
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Jack Dorsey and,
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everyone else, like, represented against Craig Wright. Yeah. That that was great. That was exactly what the doctor ordered. And,
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I mean, see, we even have, like, fundraisers.
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We we have, you know, for non developers,
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and it's a stressful ordeal. But I felt like where you were going with it is that
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that you think more developers should take their own privacy seriously.
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Sure. That's that's a second part of the
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of the
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of the answer where
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but I I want to
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really emphasize this first part because
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for some of the developers that are super critical
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for the ecosystem,
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Like, it's it's not like they can
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just create a new name Right. And then That'd be so obvious. Yeah. It will be yeah. Look at the code base, and
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and there needs to be at least some level
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of
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doxing and trust
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in order for collaboration to take part. Like, you can't just accept.
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it takes time to build a reputation
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Right. To re If you have a new identity, you have to build the reputation up. You need to build reputation up. You need to build trust with other developers you're collaborating with.
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Otherwise, like, I don't know, there are
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rock star developers that can just join project and But you could off. You could also, like,
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there's, I mean, there's different levels to this shit, right, and different trade offs. I mean, you could do a situation where,
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you create a new identity, you create a new NIM,
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then through trusted channels you already have from rock start from the previous
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I'm just talking to you about the outage from the previous identity.
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Those connections, if you already have trusted channels there, you tell a few of them,
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you know, this is my new
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thing. And then the greater world, you have more
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insulation from the greater world. It's not perfect, but you also are able to But that's exactly the trust process or whatever. Right? That's exactly
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what I'm talking about because that still requires certain level of trust because once once those other developers get subpoenaed and dragged into court, it's like, who is this NIB? It's like, oh, that's yeah. Yeah. That's whoever. So that's exactly what I'm talking about. At certain level, you just need to provide environment
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in
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which collaboration can happen.
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One interesting thought that comes to mind is maybe we can have a,
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like, coin joint for developers. Like, I I quit my
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rockstar dev name, and I just start a new language and new project, and then some other great dev from another project joins PTC pay server. So we can, like, mix developers,
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but
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yeah, it all seriously And that requires
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a massive level of trust to it. Well,
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no. That one actually is way easier because,
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like, I've been coding for over 2 decades.
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So if I need to learn a new technology, a new project, it will be easier for me to do it. Plus, imagine Bitcoin core developer switching to, I don't know, LND project.
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They they can they have easier time. Like, they already have
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knowledge, but it
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takes some time to develop, but
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I think those trading developers between projects can be interesting.
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if we wanna go and expand on this, like, developers preparing with their names,
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yeah. Definitely. I mean, if there is a if you know
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there is a
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piece of,
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free open source software that you will be contributing in next 3 years
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and you haven't started yet, like, it's a great time to come up with NIM that's disconnected from everything.
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sure, I mean, you you can
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seed it with previous reputation, but
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it's best if you avoid it. And
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even in in Bitcoin Core, we are lucky to have
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a few devs that are, you know, pretty
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well set from the privacy standpoint, and, you know, they're not talks.
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So,
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yeah. We have a lot of those. Yeah. Like, lately,
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people are joining. So and
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what's the name of,
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what's the name
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of the dev that was supported by,
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spiral?
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Z man. Z man. Yeah. Z man. It's got a nim so strong. Notice. Yeah. You can't even, like, remember the nim. It's like Z man. Okay. That was a z plus a bunch of letters and numbers. Hey.
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So, yeah, that that's inspiration, and even that
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he managed to get a grant on a NIM is
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yeah. Now they said supposedly that they didn't dox him for that grant,
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but one of my concerns
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for a while has been,
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you know, Spiral is not
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a 5 0 1c3 tax deductible,
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organization.
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So,
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like,
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Square doesn't get or Block
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isn't getting a tax deduction for those grants.
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It's basically just essentially facilitating their other business and making the Bitcoin network more robust, so it's worth it for them.
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So my understanding is they didn't have to dox him to give him that grant.
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HRF grants
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and OpenSats grants,
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because they're tax deductible,
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you have to have them fill out a tax document because,
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otherwise,
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you could be getting tax deductible status and just basically taking the money yourself.
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So my concern is is
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is privacy developers or developers in general
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wanted needing the money so badly that they
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they essentially dox themselves,
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to the US government and to whatever
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501c3
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organizations.
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Yep. It's a valid concern that we we should do something about it. Like, support more of those
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grants that are not tax deductible, and
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nothing is free. If you want to
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support
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privacy of devs.
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Hey.
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We also have, bitcoindev list.com
469
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Yep. Where you can donate directly to developers,
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with Bitcoin with no middleman.
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00:31:01.375 --> 00:31:04.034
Awesome. And, also, what's really cool is,
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I don't know if you're aware, rock star, but
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when freaks,
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when Phreaks support dispatch, they also support a bunch of open source projects directly through the streaming stats on podcasting 2 point o.
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So, like, when they stream stats, also some go to,
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RaspiBlitz,
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Zeus,
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Robosets.
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I know I'm forgetting somebody.
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Robosets,
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Sparrow,
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and seed
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signer.
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Let's go. Pretty cool.
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No middle man.
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Yeah. So
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what do you wanna talk about, rock star? I got you next to you. Yeah.
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I'm reading the comments here. Privacy is as valuable as your freedom.
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You have that great hashtag, no privacy, no freedom.
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No privacy, no freedom, no
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no no freedom, no wealth.
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Oh, there is a good so onto the end now. So now you're connecting it.
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No. I've why is privacy important, Rockstar?
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Privacy? Well, we talked at the panel on that one, and
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it's important not only for
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what we said about, like, security versus convenience. Right? Yeah.
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We it's it is important
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for structuring
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your
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daily interactions in such a way that they are sustainable.
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And as a developer,
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to me, that's so intuitive, and I think it's intuitive to
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all of good developers. It's like, when you're building a system,
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if you're making everything public,
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you just have a crazy mess where everything calls everything, nothing is structured,
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everything is mixed. It's it's just
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not a good system.
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And,
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you also look
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at the fact that,
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yeah, more wealth you have, the the better privacy you have in your life. You're just not forced
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to disclose information
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that you otherwise need to disclose. I mean, here in US, it's getting to crazy levels where, like, you you apply for job, you need to
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do background checks, Social Security just just to apply for job,
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while that doesn't apply to people that are in position of power. So,
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yeah,
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to me,
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it it is a prerequisite
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because, otherwise,
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if you
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are not able to build a system where
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privacy
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is
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respected and afforded to everyone,
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it will just be like a terrible system to live in.
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It's
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yeah. It's also like another process comes to mind. I don't know. Matt, have you ever coded?
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But you know how when you're developing application,
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you or, like, debugging applications, so you have access to all the internals of the app. But once app is
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done and you need to release it, you compile it and, you know, just make it into a package Right. That now you can't probe the internals of it. Like and you know, okay, have you built a good
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app? Have you built a good system? It works. You don't need to poke into every single Right. Line. You just, like, let it run and it does what it was supposed to.
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If if you have created a shitty app,
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that's where you need to, like, go, okay, now I'm gonna attach
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debugger.
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Now I'm going to ship application with all debugging information.
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So now my
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executable is bloated. My system is bloated. Like, it's logging a bunch of stuff. It's slow.
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00:34:48.005 --> 00:34:52.390
It takes so much more time. And that's what I'm seeing really with with these
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systems is, like,
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government essentially issues some kind of regulation,
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and it's a regulation to ship executable with more debugging information, you know. Okay. Now everyone at the airport will need to Take your shoes off. Yeah. Scan your
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face. Yeah. Like
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and and it's like, okay, let's let's do it,
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but let's figure out a better way. Let's eliminate the bugs in code. I was like, no no no no no. You know, more logging, more debugging.
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So get a better programmer or
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yeah. So Well, I mean, we had
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I always go back I always go back to RQ's,
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the Cypherpunk Manifesto.
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Yep. 1993.
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Yep.
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Privacy is not secrecy. It's the ability to selectively reveal yourself to the world,
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to choose what you want to be public
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with proper consent for it.
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And when I think about no privacy, no freedom,
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if you don't have privacy,
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then
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individuals,
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entities
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can control you
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by using information against you that you didn't want available to them.
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So that's why freedom requires privacy.
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And the reason I take the next step is mostly for
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the pure
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so called number go up big corners, which is you
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that wealth requires freedom because if you don't have freedom, it's not your wealth. It could just be taken away from you.
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So
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if you put 2 and 2 together, if you don't have privacy, you can never be wealthy.
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Yeah. Well,
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if if you don't have privacy,
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what happens is
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the system becomes stale. Like, those that are already wealthy are in much better position to stay wealthy. It's and
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it it's a system that leads into, like, decadence.
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It leads to stagnation
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because
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yeah. I mean, you look at at the world today, it is going in direction of
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public by default,
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and you see that it's
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just producing so much noise, so much unnecessary information
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that's not well structured, and it doesn't allow you to
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really
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as you said, like, I have that saying,
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you should control
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information. Information shouldn't control you.
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And it is getting to the point where
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people are just
586
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overwhelmed with information. It's it's a form of madness, information overload,
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and
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it it should be obvious
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to everyone in society that we just, like, can't keep going on like this
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in a sense that
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00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:57.520
you can't keep triggering people through, like, mass media that is now yeah. This is like
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Well, I mean, it could go on for a little bit longer,
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but at some point, it's all gonna my optimistic take has always been that everyone just
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gets burned so hard
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that we go back to the basics and people realize the need.
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Yeah. What
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also, like, I I come from like, different culture where it was much
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much more enforced in a sense that
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you shouldn't
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you should you shouldn't, like, publicly
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00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:34.955
disclose, like, stuff that's awkward or, you know, shameful about you and all that. So it is more towards private part privacy,
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you know,
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00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:37.619
minded
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setup. But
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00:38:39.839 --> 00:38:45.140
what I've also learned is that you do need to let people make mistakes and fail in a sense.
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00:38:46.005 --> 00:38:48.185
What you're saying maybe, like, burn themself.
607
00:38:49.845 --> 00:38:51.605
Sorry. I think that,
608
00:38:52.405 --> 00:38:56.920
what will happen for most people here is just, like, they will get better at filtering information.
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00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.720
Like, if you want to live a normal life,
610
00:39:00.260 --> 00:39:08.665
hey, you will just get better at filtering information and news. You're gonna find better sources. Well, yeah. You will, like, structure your,
611
00:39:09.125 --> 00:39:12.585
life in such a way that you have higher level of privacy
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and that you're able to that allows you to live richer life, that allows you to live life where you're not controlled by information outside.
613
00:39:21.605 --> 00:39:23.625
Yeah. I mean, the way I look at it is
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is for the last
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few decades or
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many decades,
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we've
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slowly as a society, particularly in the developed world, in America,
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and elsewhere,
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00:39:38.505 --> 00:39:43.484
we seem to have been groomed as a society to be less and less responsible for our own actions.
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00:39:44.025 --> 00:39:52.560
There's someone holding your hand. There's someone telling you what you cannot do. There's, you know, so called safety nets. There's all this stuff that that takes away
622
00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:55.840
the individual's personal responsibility.
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00:39:56.785 --> 00:39:58.885
And getting back to that state
624
00:39:59.744 --> 00:40:03.525
is is is not gonna be an easy process, but, ultimately,
625
00:40:04.520 --> 00:40:05.660
tools like Bitcoin,
626
00:40:06.200 --> 00:40:08.060
tools in the greater open source movement,
627
00:40:09.640 --> 00:40:17.585
they require a a a radical personal responsibility, and for people, that's a massive, like, paradigm shift. Right?
628
00:40:18.444 --> 00:40:23.150
Yeah. And it comes with failures. It comes with failures. It comes with getting burned. It comes with
629
00:40:24.010 --> 00:40:25.230
learning hard lessons.
630
00:40:26.569 --> 00:40:28.109
Yes. It does, but
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00:40:28.415 --> 00:40:29.875
it's it's a path we
632
00:40:30.335 --> 00:40:32.195
should go down because, yeah,
633
00:40:32.815 --> 00:40:35.475
we're living in a nanny state. Look at that. Covid.
634
00:40:36.150 --> 00:40:37.849
Comments are lit right now. Yeah.
635
00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:38.690
Also,
636
00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:44.250
reading Braj with, like, people in Epstein's book seem to have pretty good privacy to Yeah. Because they're wealthy.
637
00:40:45.415 --> 00:40:46.315
Yeah. It's it's
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00:40:47.495 --> 00:40:50.235
the the wealthy have privacy, and that doesn't mean
639
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that you not might not see them you might see them on the cover of Vogue,
640
00:40:54.930 --> 00:40:58.550
but they're selectively revealing themselves. Very selectively, like,
641
00:40:58.930 --> 00:41:03.830
creating a narrative. They don't have secrecy. A lot of them don't have secrecy. Some of them do,
642
00:41:06.845 --> 00:41:08.065
but they have privacy.
643
00:41:08.445 --> 00:41:11.425
And then when I look at the way, like, Bitcoin is unfolding,
644
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like, there's no doubt in my mind that the wealthy will have privacy.
645
00:41:16.890 --> 00:41:17.390
Yeah.
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What I'm concerned about is the other 95%.
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00:41:21.985 --> 00:41:23.445
Yeah. More like 99%.
648
00:41:23.745 --> 00:41:26.565
Yeah. Yeah. I am concerned about the same thing. My
649
00:41:26.865 --> 00:41:29.605
my work in in Bitcoin ecosystem is
650
00:41:31.290 --> 00:41:32.110
the way,
651
00:41:32.650 --> 00:41:34.590
you know, table is set right now.
652
00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:37.870
We are going to towards cyberpunk.
653
00:41:38.325 --> 00:41:41.465
It is, like, high technology, low quality of living
654
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where, you know, you have a
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small percentage of population that managed to
656
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elevate themselves to that point where it's
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just
658
00:41:52.740 --> 00:41:55.560
some segments of population will never catch up.
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It it and,
660
00:41:57.895 --> 00:42:04.715
you know, I like high technology, but I don't like, low quality of living for majority of population because
661
00:42:06.109 --> 00:42:07.230
it's it's just
662
00:42:07.790 --> 00:42:13.650
yeah. Yeah. So when we look at how to solve that or how to mitigate that or how to prevent that outcome from happening,
663
00:42:14.474 --> 00:42:20.415
It is basically the it's it's the Bitcoin and open source movement. It's it's empowering individuals,
664
00:42:22.370 --> 00:42:23.350
using FreedomTech.
665
00:42:23.890 --> 00:42:29.750
Yes. And that's where we now need to, you know, stake our claim and, you know, draw
666
00:42:31.165 --> 00:42:41.500
a line in the sand and then fight for it. Like, you know, this this whole old fact nonsense comes to Bitcoin like, okay. Let's let's figure out how to fight back.
667
00:42:42.600 --> 00:42:43.100
Otherwise,
668
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.260
even for those that that will be, like, fighting us,
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it's a worse
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00:42:48.945 --> 00:42:49.445
future
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00:42:50.065 --> 00:42:57.365
for most of them. Maybe there is, you know, someone on that other side of the fence that will be better off, that will profit individually.
672
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:03.740
But for majority of them that are against us, like, it's it's also worse outcome.
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00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:08.105
Why why would you wanna live in in that kind of future?
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So so yeah.
675
00:43:14.105 --> 00:43:16.605
Yeah. I mean, I think I I think one of the reasons,
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you know,
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I I do this podcast and I
678
00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:25.200
do a lot of the other things I do in this space is because I I think
679
00:43:26.095 --> 00:43:32.195
the first and foremost reason is that people just aren't aware of a lot of this shit. They're just in
680
00:43:32.575 --> 00:43:34.515
this little ignorant bliss mode,
681
00:43:35.869 --> 00:43:41.549
where they're not even thinking about it. Right? Or they're aware of it and are fighting a way to
682
00:43:42.645 --> 00:43:43.385
like, what's
683
00:43:44.165 --> 00:43:46.185
the what's the best way to fight?
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00:43:46.725 --> 00:43:48.345
And it says, that's why I
685
00:43:49.365 --> 00:43:52.390
that's why I love you, Matt, because you rally the troops
686
00:43:52.789 --> 00:43:54.250
and provide actionable,
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00:43:56.069 --> 00:43:57.609
did you say, actionable discussions?
688
00:43:58.150 --> 00:44:02.855
Like, how what's what's the next step? Like, your guides on how do you flash your phone
689
00:44:04.115 --> 00:44:05.974
with custom ROMs for Androids.
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00:44:06.355 --> 00:44:12.369
How do you do this? Like, Because when you also look at my own contribution to Bitcoin ecosystem, it's not that
691
00:44:12.670 --> 00:44:22.135
I had everything figured out on my own. No. I've I've joined Nicholas, and Nicholas was that leader that said, hey. I have I have a mission. The mission is,
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00:44:23.180 --> 00:44:26.400
obsolete BitPay because they publish bunch of lies.
693
00:44:27.339 --> 00:44:31.440
Hey. It's easier. Yeah. I'm gonna make you obsolete, and he did.
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He did. And but for me, like, looking at at my own thing is is, like, it was great that that I had a clear cause to join, and I didn't need to invent my own cause. So I think that's that's what's happening for most people, and I also see it
695
00:44:49.714 --> 00:44:54.855
I also now see it in in wider, like, career field. Like, I have a lot of
696
00:44:55.315 --> 00:44:58.450
younger developers reaching out and, you know,
697
00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:01.890
saying, okay. How how to best structure
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my own contributions
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in in next decade?
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You know?
701
00:45:07.625 --> 00:45:13.565
And I am so glad for Bitcoin because it's such a rich ecosystem with so many quality developers
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and so many quality projects
703
00:45:16.570 --> 00:45:17.070
where
704
00:45:17.370 --> 00:45:18.350
people can
705
00:45:18.890 --> 00:45:20.510
spend really meaningful
706
00:45:21.455 --> 00:45:28.275
time the days. Like, they they they can have meaningful impact. It's not that you're working for Right. Baseless car corporation
707
00:45:28.815 --> 00:45:30.515
on their closed source
708
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:31.820
CRM
709
00:45:32.120 --> 00:45:32.620
number
710
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.220
1,000,000, like, 50. You know? It's an extremely
711
00:45:36.520 --> 00:45:37.020
vibrant,
712
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:39.660
impactful developer community.
713
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.255
Yeah. It's it's
714
00:45:41.635 --> 00:45:44.775
it's fun being part of this movement, and and then
715
00:45:45.715 --> 00:45:47.575
thanks to, like, I'm telling you,
716
00:45:48.170 --> 00:45:49.870
diversity within the community.
717
00:45:50.170 --> 00:45:52.910
Like, anything that you're not specializing
718
00:45:53.210 --> 00:45:53.710
for,
719
00:45:54.490 --> 00:45:58.075
hey. There is someone that is, and you can follow their lead.
720
00:45:58.455 --> 00:45:59.195
Like, I
721
00:45:59.495 --> 00:46:06.289
I make a joke to, like, all the new podcasts they're starting is like, why are you doing that? That's just, you know,
722
00:46:07.069 --> 00:46:07.789
podcast and,
723
00:46:08.510 --> 00:46:12.130
the rest of us gonna rally under the banner. We're gonna do, like, small episodes.
724
00:46:12.910 --> 00:46:13.410
But
725
00:46:13.895 --> 00:46:21.675
that's also what's what's good. Like, okay. Try to fork and, you know, if your fork is better, like, okay. Let's go. I mean, it's good that I I think,
726
00:46:24.890 --> 00:46:29.710
the Bitcoin content landscape right now is as vibrant as it's ever been.
727
00:46:30.434 --> 00:46:34.694
It's robust. It's vibrant. There's too much there's so much content out there you can't consume at all,
728
00:46:35.395 --> 00:46:37.174
but that's good. People have options.
729
00:46:37.714 --> 00:46:38.375
It's not,
730
00:46:40.580 --> 00:46:44.600
Yeah. That's the natural process of replication. That's how it happens.
731
00:46:44.900 --> 00:46:52.625
What was what But if you look back even, like, 4 years ago on on both the developer side and on on the content side,
732
00:46:54.125 --> 00:46:55.905
the growth has just been tremendous.
733
00:46:56.685 --> 00:46:57.185
Yeah.
734
00:46:57.779 --> 00:46:58.759
Yeah. I mean,
735
00:46:59.539 --> 00:47:00.920
I just hope it
736
00:47:01.220 --> 00:47:01.799
it continues.
737
00:47:02.180 --> 00:47:02.680
And,
738
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:08.025
Rico says, yeah, we're in silent war. We have been losing since Internet was created,
739
00:47:08.485 --> 00:47:13.785
but I don't know. I, I I wanted to talk about that because, you know, we we quoted
740
00:47:14.165 --> 00:47:15.945
we quoted the cypherpunk manifesto,
741
00:47:16.990 --> 00:47:17.490
which
742
00:47:17.950 --> 00:47:19.090
was in 1993.
743
00:47:19.550 --> 00:47:20.050
Yep.
744
00:47:21.230 --> 00:47:22.610
So 19 years ago.
745
00:47:26.565 --> 00:47:29.384
Like, perfectly encapsulates everything we're dealing with,
746
00:47:30.085 --> 00:47:33.900
and what the mission forward should be. I mean, it's like the most pressured piece of
747
00:47:34.539 --> 00:47:35.440
fucking text
748
00:47:35.819 --> 00:47:36.319
ever,
749
00:47:36.859 --> 00:47:37.359
and,
750
00:47:38.059 --> 00:47:42.400
I I mean and so that came out of the crypto wars of the nineties.
751
00:47:44.375 --> 00:47:45.355
Do you think
752
00:47:47.815 --> 00:47:48.295
are there
753
00:47:49.255 --> 00:47:52.154
you know, what is the differences between then and now?
754
00:47:52.580 --> 00:47:53.960
I mean, you're an old timer.
755
00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:55.960
Yes. So, yeah, have we
756
00:47:56.580 --> 00:47:57.080
have
757
00:47:58.180 --> 00:47:59.000
we outperformed
758
00:47:59.380 --> 00:48:02.945
in the last 19 years? Like, are we in a much better place
759
00:48:03.885 --> 00:48:07.185
than than, like, I don't know, like, 1993 rock star would consider
760
00:48:09.220 --> 00:48:14.280
where we could be in the future. Like, are we in a are we doing better than expected, worse than expected?
761
00:48:16.235 --> 00:48:16.975
Yeah. I mean,
762
00:48:17.515 --> 00:48:18.895
it's it's a good question,
763
00:48:19.355 --> 00:48:19.855
because
764
00:48:21.195 --> 00:48:25.135
what what I read, yeah, Cypherpunk's manifesto, and when I read
765
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:27.760
mold you know,
766
00:48:28.220 --> 00:48:29.200
like, all the
767
00:48:29.900 --> 00:48:32.160
contributions from Cypherpunks of old,
768
00:48:32.460 --> 00:48:33.119
it is
769
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:35.040
amazing that they had
770
00:48:35.595 --> 00:48:37.454
that type of foresight
771
00:48:39.355 --> 00:48:40.815
on what is coming up.
772
00:48:41.275 --> 00:48:43.454
And it's, like, clearly described,
773
00:48:44.250 --> 00:48:46.990
like, why it is important that we,
774
00:48:47.450 --> 00:48:48.430
you know, fight
775
00:48:48.970 --> 00:48:50.350
this fight of decentralization.
776
00:48:52.625 --> 00:48:53.444
It's really
777
00:48:54.625 --> 00:48:56.005
super inspiring because,
778
00:48:59.265 --> 00:48:59.765
the
779
00:49:00.065 --> 00:49:00.885
the prediction
780
00:49:01.300 --> 00:49:02.200
is is
781
00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:03.640
amazing. So
782
00:49:04.180 --> 00:49:07.880
as to like what is it better? Is it not? I don't know. I
783
00:49:08.455 --> 00:49:15.915
I miss BBS. Doing good? Yeah. Like, I think we are. I mean, I do miss b you know, BBS. I I miss,
784
00:49:17.019 --> 00:49:18.720
you know, Earth Chats.
785
00:49:19.180 --> 00:49:21.119
I miss those, like but
786
00:49:21.980 --> 00:49:23.200
I don't know. We
787
00:49:25.365 --> 00:49:26.505
Why do you miss them?
788
00:49:26.805 --> 00:49:28.425
I I miss them because
789
00:49:30.725 --> 00:49:33.220
there is not so much gamification
790
00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:37.540
and there is no not not, you know, like, so much central control
791
00:49:38.080 --> 00:49:38.580
because,
792
00:49:39.359 --> 00:49:46.035
yeah, we can dislike Twitter as much as we want, but that's the place you go to, you know, discover,
793
00:49:47.214 --> 00:49:50.900
so that your content gets discovered, and it's a gamified system.
794
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:52.820
It's like a pretty evil
795
00:49:54.640 --> 00:49:58.980
Yeah. But evil platform. Right? Yeah. It is. Surveillance and manipulation,
796
00:50:00.925 --> 00:50:07.345
censorship. But through all of it, there are some beautiful things happening. It's just okay. Like, we we
797
00:50:07.940 --> 00:50:11.960
we, you know, moved forward a little bit. We moved backwards, but
798
00:50:12.660 --> 00:50:16.920
I I I think we're we are advancing. Now what's important is
799
00:50:17.715 --> 00:50:21.575
yeah. You have, like, TikTok. That that that one will be amazing
800
00:50:23.555 --> 00:50:24.855
battle is because
801
00:50:25.235 --> 00:50:26.535
you will now have
802
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.180
a social media giant that's outside of
803
00:50:30.560 --> 00:50:32.260
US. And First one.
804
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.005
Yeah. Really first one. What what do you think about it? Except maybe Telegram.
805
00:50:38.025 --> 00:50:38.525
Well,
806
00:50:38.825 --> 00:50:40.765
yeah, Telegram is a good one, but
807
00:50:41.545 --> 00:50:48.510
still, Telegram is controlled by someone who is not in Russia. Right? So the the guy needed to But he's not American.
808
00:50:49.370 --> 00:50:53.870
He's not American, but he needed to, like, leave Russia because his v contact
809
00:50:54.365 --> 00:50:54.805
got,
810
00:50:55.245 --> 00:50:58.145
owed by government. Yeah. He had, like, the Russian Facebook,
811
00:50:58.605 --> 00:51:01.345
and, like, the government took it from him. Yeah. Amazing.
812
00:51:01.645 --> 00:51:05.980
Dhruv. But I, Dhirov, I one of my favorite
813
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.140
tinfoil theories is,
814
00:51:09.240 --> 00:51:11.900
it's a Russian operation, and that was just the
815
00:51:12.744 --> 00:51:13.404
the setup.
816
00:51:13.785 --> 00:51:18.924
Oh, so that the Like, even Putin had a deal or whatever, and it was like, okay. Just leave the,
817
00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:25.780
Yeah. Stay our agent. Well, maybe. I I don't know. I'm really torn on it because, like,
818
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:30.904
on the surface, I love to rob. I think I mean, Telegram, I wish, was encrypted by default,
819
00:51:32.484 --> 00:51:37.144
but I think it's a very powerful platform, and I think he's done a lot of good things for users,
820
00:51:39.560 --> 00:51:41.100
like, very user friendly policies.
821
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:42.780
But,
822
00:51:43.720 --> 00:51:46.140
there's also, like, a good chance that he's a,
823
00:51:48.724 --> 00:52:01.700
how about we a honeypot for either the US or Russia. Yeah. But how how about we get him? A suitable dispatch, and you could ask him, like, alright. Hey, Dharav, if you're listening right now, the invite's open. Hey. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna like send the message
824
00:52:02.160 --> 00:52:03.460
for you, Matt. So
825
00:52:03.855 --> 00:52:07.055
we will see. Yeah. But then Telegram. Okay? And,
826
00:52:07.535 --> 00:52:08.035
TikTok.
827
00:52:08.655 --> 00:52:08.974
I'm just
828
00:52:09.694 --> 00:52:14.500
to me, it's also, like, quite obvious that it's already used as a weapon in this as, like, TikTok.
829
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:16.580
Yeah. Rico in the comments,
830
00:52:17.680 --> 00:52:19.060
is mentioning Element,
831
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:21.780
which uses matrix protocol.
832
00:52:23.195 --> 00:52:27.855
It's saying it's super encrypted. It is encrypted. We actually have a matrix chat for dispatch.
833
00:52:28.555 --> 00:52:29.855
If you look on the screen,
834
00:52:30.410 --> 00:52:32.430
that's the other chat that's being shown.
835
00:52:32.810 --> 00:52:34.670
You can get to that by going to dispatch.com
836
00:52:35.290 --> 00:52:36.430
and clipping clicking,
837
00:52:37.210 --> 00:52:38.590
citadel dot chat.
838
00:52:39.665 --> 00:52:40.885
We have over a 1000
839
00:52:41.185 --> 00:52:44.405
a 1000 rider die freaks in there, and, the conversation
840
00:52:45.025 --> 00:52:47.365
is always going. It's always great conversation,
841
00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:48.980
even when,
842
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:50.740
the show is not live.
843
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:53.780
But, yeah, TikTok, I mean, is
844
00:52:55.734 --> 00:52:56.954
and it's it's frightening
845
00:52:57.255 --> 00:53:01.755
how, you know, well oiled that machine is on the TikTok side.
846
00:53:02.055 --> 00:53:05.760
Yeah. We talked here. Really good surveillance, really good manipulation
847
00:53:06.140 --> 00:53:08.960
on that front, really addicting, super addicting.
848
00:53:10.434 --> 00:53:12.934
Al, you know, mentioned about the whole of
849
00:53:14.035 --> 00:53:21.340
whole capturing video and mics so that they can get your emotions of but watching. Like, did you really laugh
850
00:53:21.720 --> 00:53:28.415
at the video? Yeah. They like watch your facial reactions and listen to your microphone while you're watching videos so they can
851
00:53:29.055 --> 00:53:29.555
Optimize
852
00:53:29.855 --> 00:53:32.195
the algorithm. Yeah. So they can harvest that.
853
00:53:32.975 --> 00:53:33.795
Yeah. But
854
00:53:34.495 --> 00:53:43.710
the social media thing really scares the shit out of me. And, like, I know I have I know I'm a little bit of a hypocrite because of my Twitter usage, but Twitter is my only social media.
855
00:53:45.744 --> 00:53:48.405
When And I try and keep it Bitcoin focused.
856
00:53:49.184 --> 00:53:49.684
I
857
00:53:50.065 --> 00:53:52.165
I would so But Twitter is an addiction,
858
00:53:52.545 --> 00:53:54.165
and I should not be using it.
859
00:53:56.089 --> 00:54:04.445
That But we would have never met. Yeah. That's that's the point because, like, I'm telling you back and forth on it. If there is a Dell TikTok, I'm subscribing to that one definitely.
860
00:54:04.745 --> 00:54:06.685
Never TikTok. Never TikTok.
861
00:54:07.305 --> 00:54:11.565
I don't know, man. Like, I I Marty wanted to make a fucking TikTok for
862
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:19.140
RHR, and I was I was, like, livid. There it was actually on air when I found out everyone can go watch the clip. It's in the archives.
863
00:54:20.355 --> 00:54:26.295
I don't even I was against even having an Instagram. Fuck that shit. And then the argument is always, like, oh,
864
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:28.940
you can reach more people.
865
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:34.860
Yes. That's the paradox of privacy that we spoke. It's like, if you want to
866
00:54:35.455 --> 00:54:43.875
spread the best practices about privacy, you need to be public. But someone else can so, you know, I've already done enough on that front. Someone else can be the TikTok
867
00:54:44.270 --> 00:54:48.770
PTC sessions or whatever. It's like a TikTok, Odell. TikTok sessions.
868
00:54:51.765 --> 00:54:59.625
Okay. Can't wait for for out I, like, reluctantly added the YouTube because the freaks like using the YouTube. So Convenience. Yeah.
869
00:55:00.724 --> 00:55:13.105
But TikTok or Dell. Yeah. Well It'd be hilarious if if there was I mean, I don't know because it's not a TikTok, so there might already be one. But if there was, like, a TikTok influencer that just, like, constantly just tells you to not use TikTok
870
00:55:14.445 --> 00:55:19.500
There we go. But, we're getting derailed a little bit. The social media stuff really scares the shit out of me,
871
00:55:20.460 --> 00:55:20.960
particularly,
872
00:55:22.460 --> 00:55:24.080
you know, I wanna have a family.
873
00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:26.720
Like, raising kids in this environment
874
00:55:29.205 --> 00:55:30.025
is tricky,
875
00:55:31.365 --> 00:55:31.865
and
876
00:55:32.245 --> 00:55:39.200
I wonder, like, the kind of damage that's gonna happen to the majority of our youth, not my children, but the majority of the youth,
877
00:55:40.940 --> 00:55:48.395
due to the influences of of all the social media shit. Yeah. I mean, we actually spoke about it on workshop yesterday
878
00:55:48.934 --> 00:55:52.635
is because that's exactly where the battle is.
879
00:55:53.310 --> 00:55:54.369
Okay. You know,
880
00:55:55.150 --> 00:55:58.050
like, information is destroying your own life and,
881
00:55:59.790 --> 00:56:03.484
keeping you occupied every day with, like, this shit, that
882
00:56:04.145 --> 00:56:04.645
shit.
883
00:56:05.305 --> 00:56:06.845
Okay. You can you can battle,
884
00:56:07.145 --> 00:56:07.805
you know.
885
00:56:09.065 --> 00:56:11.085
You hate yourself the most anyways.
886
00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:17.360
But what about people that are near and dear to you? You don't want them to go through the same thing.
887
00:56:17.660 --> 00:56:22.775
It's like you you don't want to live in a setup where your family,
888
00:56:24.035 --> 00:56:25.575
information from outside
889
00:56:26.010 --> 00:56:31.150
is stronger than the information inside. Like, what what So you know what I did that was really good, Hack?
890
00:56:31.610 --> 00:56:32.110
What?
891
00:56:33.050 --> 00:56:34.350
Signal group chats
892
00:56:35.130 --> 00:56:35.625
Yeah.
893
00:56:36.025 --> 00:56:40.685
For family. Yep. And a lot of friends. I got a lot I got a lot of friends on that too.
894
00:56:41.065 --> 00:56:48.670
Yeah. But that's exactly what it's all about. It's a it's a good balance. Because I tell them, like, I know they wanna share baby pictures. I know they wanna share
895
00:56:49.210 --> 00:56:52.350
all these different photos and stuff. I'm like, do not post them on Facebook.
896
00:56:52.795 --> 00:56:58.095
Yeah. You can spam us in the signal chat. Yeah, exactly. But that's
897
00:56:59.195 --> 00:57:03.960
practical application of what we are talking about Is that you you get everyone
898
00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:06.280
from from Viber or
899
00:57:06.740 --> 00:57:17.415
stuff like that. Okay. Get get them on to signal, create groups for them. Use Viber. Yeah. They do, man. They do. It's it's just a convenience. Past on that one. Viber's like the walkie talkie one. Right?
900
00:57:18.035 --> 00:57:18.535
No.
901
00:57:19.270 --> 00:57:21.609
I mean, it's It's primarily the voice
902
00:57:22.150 --> 00:57:27.985
messages. Right? Yeah. Like, it's it's still messages like Yeah. Like, but it's what people use.
903
00:57:28.365 --> 00:57:32.065
Listen, even that one is okay. At least like it's not Facebook messenger.
904
00:57:33.005 --> 00:57:41.220
You tell people like get out of, you know, that shit and you help them. Like, that's practical application where you say, okay. I set up a group for for you.
905
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:45.540
There is auto deleting messages. Okay. Let's go with baby pictures.
906
00:57:45.985 --> 00:57:46.485
But
907
00:57:46.865 --> 00:57:50.805
that baby would grow would grows up, like, we'll be so thankful that,
908
00:57:51.265 --> 00:57:54.600
okay, grandma has the picture, but it's not like Not
909
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.100
millions of servers. Yeah. It's yeah. I mean,
910
00:57:59.720 --> 00:58:02.700
imagine that where you're like, you you go to your
911
00:58:03.984 --> 00:58:10.644
school, like your 5th or 6th grade, and, you know, like everyone has pictures of you being, like, for your baby. It's just
912
00:58:11.369 --> 00:58:18.830
crazy. It's that that's your information, that it's piece of you. Like, it shouldn't be under control of everyone.
913
00:58:19.690 --> 00:58:20.190
So
914
00:58:21.195 --> 00:58:21.935
so yeah.
915
00:58:22.795 --> 00:58:23.615
But you,
916
00:58:24.075 --> 00:58:28.335
yeah, you brought up a good point because If there's if there's someone out there
917
00:58:29.340 --> 00:58:29.840
listening
918
00:58:30.380 --> 00:58:33.280
and watching this that's at Bitcoin Park right now,
919
00:58:33.980 --> 00:58:47.900
can you bring me a beer? A Pilsner would be great. That'd be fucking awesome. Yeah. That's You want something, rock star? No. I'm I'm good. But Rock star is good. See you. See how you're using the convenience, man, like a blasting the information
920
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:49.420
worldwide
921
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:51.180
just for a beer.
922
00:58:52.440 --> 00:59:01.745
It seemed like a interesting opportunity. I didn't know what to do. Yeah. It is. It that's It's pretty cool because when we go live, usually, people have it on the TVs
923
00:59:02.125 --> 00:59:03.260
in the park. So,
924
00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:10.480
Hey. That's that's exactly illustrating our point, but that's I cut you off. What were we talking about? No. No. No.
925
00:59:11.415 --> 00:59:23.960
I was talking exactly about this, and we are now no. We are getting into signal groups, and we're getting into nibs. Signal groups. And we're getting into nibs, and there is a beer. Look at that. Thank you, sir.
926
00:59:24.340 --> 00:59:27.080
Okay. That was a really quick turnaround. Appreciate you.
927
00:59:27.914 --> 00:59:29.615
And now now that's actually,
928
00:59:30.154 --> 00:59:30.654
recorded
929
00:59:31.115 --> 00:59:31.615
forever.
930
00:59:32.954 --> 00:59:36.494
So whoever was to list it about names and code.
931
00:59:37.460 --> 00:59:37.960
10,010,000
932
00:59:38.900 --> 00:59:40.039
sats to the freak
933
00:59:42.019 --> 00:59:45.079
who figures out how much time that took between the
934
00:59:45.619 --> 00:59:47.000
the request and the delivery.
935
00:59:47.605 --> 00:59:48.745
Yeah. This is definitely
936
00:59:49.285 --> 00:59:51.065
illustrating our points, but
937
00:59:51.685 --> 00:59:52.985
ready to go into nibs?
938
00:59:53.685 --> 00:59:54.185
Sure.
939
00:59:54.750 --> 00:59:55.250
So
940
00:59:56.430 --> 00:59:58.690
as I talked on the panel for me,
941
00:59:59.950 --> 01:00:04.325
everyone is talking about privacy as as that trade off security convenience.
942
01:00:04.945 --> 01:00:06.485
It is about robustness.
943
01:00:07.585 --> 01:00:09.685
And I have a system where
944
01:00:10.810 --> 01:00:14.750
for every identity you come up with, you need to have 3 NIMs.
945
01:00:16.010 --> 01:00:16.510
So
946
01:00:18.484 --> 01:00:22.265
your your listeners, I guess, freaks, they're they're good with that, but
947
01:00:22.565 --> 01:00:26.505
I always encourage people to at least, like, start with
948
01:00:27.460 --> 01:00:29.560
one name and test out
949
01:00:30.180 --> 01:00:33.640
how that works for them. We have a heavy name listener base.
950
01:00:34.095 --> 01:00:38.035
Yeah. But that's that's how it's supposed to be. I just think that
951
01:00:38.335 --> 01:00:40.515
people invest too much time
952
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:43.980
into building reputation like one name.
953
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.900
Like, you need to use names to explore
954
01:00:50.415 --> 01:00:54.675
things that you really want to explore without any breaks, without any,
955
01:00:56.175 --> 01:00:57.235
you know, reservations.
956
01:00:57.775 --> 01:00:58.915
Like, hey,
957
01:00:59.590 --> 01:01:02.570
You know, I really want to see how how, you
958
01:01:02.910 --> 01:01:03.410
know,
959
01:01:03.750 --> 01:01:06.090
I want to experience something. And
960
01:01:07.075 --> 01:01:18.220
that's where, like, I'm I'm really surprised. Like, I think I I always thought everyone had, like, a nim that's, like, sexy girl and invested time into it. Like, did you ever met had that nib?
961
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:25.484
Did what? A nib when you were a sexy girl. No. But I I do have a funny story with that,
962
01:01:26.345 --> 01:01:27.484
that someone who
963
01:01:27.944 --> 01:01:28.684
went to,
964
01:01:31.224 --> 01:01:32.505
after I graduated college
965
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:33.619
Okay.
966
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.460
Someone from that from my same college I was currently enrolled
967
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:38.820
to my alma mater,
968
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:40.820
got interested in Bitcoin,
969
01:01:41.895 --> 01:01:45.835
saw that I was interested in Bitcoin, and, like, reached out to me
970
01:01:46.215 --> 01:01:47.595
to, like, get my advice
971
01:01:48.055 --> 01:01:50.155
on how he should approach his career.
972
01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:52.500
But to get my attention,
973
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.220
he DM'd me from his extremely large NIM account, which was like,
974
01:01:58.724 --> 01:02:02.744
like, classy white girl or something. He had, like, a 1000000 and a half followers.
975
01:02:03.045 --> 01:02:09.650
There we go. And his first message was like, I know this is weird, but I'm a dude, and I go to I go to blah blah school,
976
01:02:11.150 --> 01:02:13.410
and I would love to have a coffee with you.
977
01:02:13.790 --> 01:02:15.150
There we go. Like
978
01:02:16.005 --> 01:02:25.065
but, yeah, that but that's actually a big mistake. Like, oh, he felt so insecure that he will not respond, so he needed to use, like, his most powerful bib.
979
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:27.980
Yeah. But listening. Shout out to him. Yeah.
980
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:29.500
Look at that.
981
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:37.025
That's interesting. But to me, like, you need to explore that, and that builds builds,
982
01:02:38.125 --> 01:02:40.420
your root identity in a sense with
983
01:02:41.059 --> 01:02:44.760
knowledge and, like, better understanding interactions between people.
984
01:02:45.380 --> 01:02:47.000
Plus, yeah, if you have a million,
985
01:02:47.945 --> 01:02:48.445
1,500,000
986
01:02:49.065 --> 01:02:53.245
followers, I mean, you can start your cosmetics line. Like, that's that's an option.
987
01:02:54.585 --> 01:02:57.005
He's probably doing that right now. Hey.
988
01:02:57.330 --> 01:03:01.170
More power to you. I mean, I I want some royalties, though. I,
989
01:03:02.050 --> 01:03:05.750
Reach out to me. Okay? Braj, BRB, installing Bob's.
990
01:03:08.535 --> 01:03:12.555
I don't I'm obviously, like, on the nymph scale, that is more difficult
991
01:03:12.855 --> 01:03:14.395
going cross gender.
992
01:03:16.050 --> 01:03:19.589
Well Right. Like, isn't one of the easy tricks that I've always
993
01:03:22.025 --> 01:03:24.765
done with NIMS is you try and keep some,
994
01:03:26.025 --> 01:03:27.965
it's easier if there's some similarities.
995
01:03:30.790 --> 01:03:40.994
I don't know. I It's easier if there's some consistency, like a bedrock of truth that you can kind of go off of. And, like, there's no bedrock of truth if I was gonna pretend to be
996
01:03:41.454 --> 01:03:45.714
a woman on the Internet. Why why is it? Like, there is a feminine side
997
01:03:46.260 --> 01:03:53.880
view. Yeah. You should see the the face he's giving me as he says this. Yeah. That's why it's important to do him in person. Just he's looking me right in the eye as he says this.
998
01:03:54.260 --> 01:03:57.914
Yeah. I mean stop trying to seduce me on air.
999
01:03:58.775 --> 01:04:02.474
Okay. That's how you read it, but, no, there is, like, feminine
1000
01:04:03.130 --> 01:04:05.310
inside of you. And if if if it's not,
1001
01:04:05.610 --> 01:04:10.350
that nim would allow will allow you to develop it. Yes, James. Nim means
1002
01:04:11.664 --> 01:04:12.164
pseudonym.
1003
01:04:14.145 --> 01:04:16.724
So like Braj or Rockstar Dev
1004
01:04:17.424 --> 01:04:20.565
or James potentially, if that's not your legal name.
1005
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:22.380
Yeah.
1006
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:26.140
Some people choose, like, real
1007
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:27.420
looking
1008
01:04:27.720 --> 01:04:30.994
nims, like John Smith or something like that.
1009
01:04:31.935 --> 01:04:33.155
And others choose
1010
01:04:37.029 --> 01:04:37.529
Rockstar.
1011
01:04:37.829 --> 01:04:40.009
Rockstar dev Yeah. With a 0.
1012
01:04:40.549 --> 01:04:41.289
Yeah. Well,
1013
01:04:41.589 --> 01:04:43.450
just Rockstar dev wasn't
1014
01:04:43.829 --> 01:04:44.329
available.
1015
01:04:44.630 --> 01:04:46.569
There is the whole GTA thing.
1016
01:04:47.175 --> 01:04:47.494
So
1017
01:04:48.935 --> 01:04:50.315
yeah. But that's why
1018
01:04:50.615 --> 01:04:54.955
people think, oh, you need to make a choice. You you you don't. Like, create one name
1019
01:04:55.550 --> 01:04:56.030
with,
1020
01:04:56.830 --> 01:05:03.045
with name like Rockstar Dev. Create one with John Spit or Matt Hodele. It's a great name.
1021
01:05:03.525 --> 01:05:04.585
You know? So,
1022
01:05:06.565 --> 01:05:09.865
go for it and see how it will impact your
1023
01:05:10.300 --> 01:05:18.775
identity and reputation building it. We actually had that question. If I could do it all over again, would I choose, like Yeah. I asked you that. Would you choose
1024
01:05:19.635 --> 01:05:29.300
a real looking name? And I I because like everyone knows you weren't born rockstar dev. And, yeah, then I brought up that I could actually change name it. Yeah.
1025
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:33.860
Actually, board Rockstar Dev, but, no, I I wouldn't. I
1026
01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:34.960
I I think
1027
01:05:35.805 --> 01:05:36.705
You like the
1028
01:05:37.325 --> 01:05:39.745
the the flare of of of picking?
1029
01:05:40.845 --> 01:05:43.745
Yes. And it allowed me to
1030
01:05:44.339 --> 01:05:46.520
experience identity that has, like,
1031
01:05:49.220 --> 01:05:49.720
kinda
1032
01:05:50.020 --> 01:05:50.520
catchy,
1033
01:05:51.435 --> 01:05:52.655
you know, nape.
1034
01:05:53.195 --> 01:05:53.695
So
1035
01:05:54.555 --> 01:05:55.775
it allows me to
1036
01:05:56.795 --> 01:05:58.735
explore, be a rock star. Right?
1037
01:05:59.720 --> 01:06:00.780
Becoming 1.
1038
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:04.620
It is. No. It's it's really Can you play any instruments?
1039
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.984
Well, I'm not that type of a rock star. I'm like party rock star,
1040
01:06:10.444 --> 01:06:13.005
which is what what was experienced yesterday.
1041
01:06:13.405 --> 01:06:16.145
Pretty late last night. Yeah. Yeah. I
1042
01:06:19.450 --> 01:06:22.509
I, yeah, I I need to get Rod in here to
1043
01:06:22.890 --> 01:06:23.390
to
1044
01:06:23.690 --> 01:06:25.435
share some of the details. But
1045
01:06:25.995 --> 01:06:27.295
to me, yeah, it definitely
1046
01:06:28.795 --> 01:06:30.575
developed the rock star persona
1047
01:06:31.035 --> 01:06:34.255
inside of me. And, I mean, you even witnessed some media
1048
01:06:34.589 --> 01:06:35.410
in that direction
1049
01:06:35.950 --> 01:06:41.809
that we were talking about. It's like, yeah, pics and videos that I didn't even know were took, but,
1050
01:06:44.285 --> 01:06:47.404
you can be whatever you like. That's the thing. And,
1051
01:06:47.805 --> 01:06:56.370
you just need to commit to it, stick with it, and, you know, if it's not working out, okay, move on. If it's working out, you can keep doubling down
1052
01:06:56.910 --> 01:07:00.370
until you get to the point where it's obvious that
1053
01:07:01.305 --> 01:07:05.805
information is controlling you way more than you are controlling information, and then
1054
01:07:06.185 --> 01:07:09.630
it's time for funeral, and you move on. So I have a
1055
01:07:10.130 --> 01:07:10.630
question
1056
01:07:11.130 --> 01:07:11.630
for
1057
01:07:12.130 --> 01:07:12.630
you.
1058
01:07:13.290 --> 01:07:18.185
A week ago or something like that, I don't even know how to keep track of time anymore.
1059
01:07:18.805 --> 01:07:20.505
It all kinda just blends together.
1060
01:07:22.325 --> 01:07:24.345
CoinDesk released an article about
1061
01:07:25.490 --> 01:07:27.910
the shitcoin devs, these Solana devs.
1062
01:07:29.170 --> 01:07:31.350
There's 2 brothers that basically
1063
01:07:31.890 --> 01:07:36.815
operated, like, 14 NIMs or something like that, and we're running, you know, like,
1064
01:07:37.755 --> 01:07:44.700
a massive amount of the volume of of Solana was just these 2 brothers pretending to be, like, 14 projects.
1065
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:45.980
Yeah. And
1066
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:47.180
they doxed
1067
01:07:47.480 --> 01:08:00.414
they doxed the brothers in the article. They had the brothers, I guess, felt guilty at one point, and they wrote, like, a draft post doxing themselves, but they never published it. And then it got leaked to CoinDesk, and CoinDesk doxed them.
1068
01:08:04.650 --> 01:08:06.270
And I posted something
1069
01:08:06.890 --> 01:08:08.590
Yeah. Which I stand behind about
1070
01:08:09.075 --> 01:08:10.615
about doxing is
1071
01:08:10.994 --> 01:08:13.015
is not okay. You can't dox people.
1072
01:08:15.075 --> 01:08:19.260
If if you if you believe there's fraud, you can deal with a fraud case separately,
1073
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:25.260
but you shouldn't dox people. What is you what is your thoughts on on that situation?
1074
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:26.700
Yeah. You approached
1075
01:08:27.034 --> 01:08:27.534
that
1076
01:08:27.994 --> 01:08:31.215
problem from the perspective of, like, it's not
1077
01:08:31.594 --> 01:08:33.455
okay or moral to
1078
01:08:34.210 --> 01:08:38.710
to control someone else's information on, you know, on their behalf.
1079
01:08:39.570 --> 01:08:40.550
It's basically
1080
01:08:41.010 --> 01:08:41.810
that that's your
1081
01:08:42.685 --> 01:08:47.265
that's the lens through which you are looking the problem. But it is a situation where
1082
01:08:48.685 --> 01:08:52.125
things are already at the point where you can't have a
1083
01:08:53.170 --> 01:08:59.750
And when we say docs to the freaks that are confused, we mean they release their real their legal names publicly.
1084
01:09:00.130 --> 01:09:00.949
Root identities.
1085
01:09:01.250 --> 01:09:01.750
Yeah.
1086
01:09:02.065 --> 01:09:05.925
And, yeah, the the the point is that situation is already,
1087
01:09:07.185 --> 01:09:09.525
at state where there can be
1088
01:09:10.970 --> 01:09:12.750
a reasonable or quality outcome.
1089
01:09:13.690 --> 01:09:15.310
And it it more
1090
01:09:15.930 --> 01:09:18.910
the problem is earlier than that. The problem is
1091
01:09:19.455 --> 01:09:19.955
Solana
1092
01:09:20.895 --> 01:09:31.650
that, you know, they need to have this fake traffic. Right. If you can have a if you can have a metric faked, then no one should follow that metric anyway. If a metric can be gamed, you assume it's gamed.
1093
01:09:33.070 --> 01:09:36.210
Yes. And then I would also say on but on the other end,
1094
01:09:36.945 --> 01:09:37.765
there is
1095
01:09:38.465 --> 01:09:43.925
it's definitely valid that, you know, those guys should assume that people are gonna try and dox them and
1096
01:09:44.305 --> 01:09:44.865
make it as
1097
01:09:45.679 --> 01:09:49.860
Yeah. So it's it's just a shitty situation out of which you cannot,
1098
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:52.739
draw out quality conclusions.
1099
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:54.420
It's it's just like
1100
01:09:55.565 --> 01:10:00.145
once you're at that point, is it okay? Like, CoinDesk is doing it for
1101
01:10:00.685 --> 01:10:04.890
clicks. Yeah. 100% for clicks. These people, like, okay. It's already
1102
01:10:05.910 --> 01:10:19.574
you you don't have unified outcome. You just have everyone scrambling for themselves and covering their asses. So what you need to do in situations like that is, like, start looking back in order to draw out, like, quality conclusions. Like, don't
1103
01:10:20.890 --> 01:10:21.790
once, yeah,
1104
01:10:22.650 --> 01:10:24.430
once you're already knee
1105
01:10:24.890 --> 01:10:29.675
deep deep and shit, like, you're not getting out of that situation, like, clean. So
1106
01:10:31.034 --> 01:10:32.974
so, yeah, should CoinDesk
1107
01:10:33.434 --> 01:10:40.260
talk them or, like I mean, they coulda released the whole article, everything they wrote, because the big argument they made was, you know,
1108
01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:44.580
protecting the public. You could release the whole article without putting their legal names on it.
1109
01:10:45.295 --> 01:10:46.435
You could, but,
1110
01:10:46.895 --> 01:10:52.675
hey, judgment called. They were like, oh, we they did bad to other people, so we are justified.
1111
01:10:53.860 --> 01:10:55.400
We want to hurt them.
1112
01:10:55.940 --> 01:10:58.920
And you're like, well, did you really need to do it? Like, yes. I did.
1113
01:10:59.539 --> 01:11:00.039
Okay.
1114
01:11:01.085 --> 01:11:04.625
What can I tell you? The really, the important thing is
1115
01:11:07.324 --> 01:11:08.145
don't get
1116
01:11:09.040 --> 01:11:13.700
into a situation to the point where it like, you're not controlling information.
1117
01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:17.860
Like, okay. Right. Ultimately, it was the brothers It's,
1118
01:11:18.355 --> 01:11:18.935
hey. What's
1119
01:11:19.395 --> 01:11:20.935
your Responsibility to
1120
01:11:21.475 --> 01:11:25.415
It it is. Protect that information. It is. And it's like, okay.
1121
01:11:27.510 --> 01:11:28.889
We we can talk about
1122
01:11:29.989 --> 01:11:34.969
standards or how it should be approached, but, hey, you need to control your information. Otherwise,
1123
01:11:35.315 --> 01:11:44.775
you're leaving it up to other people to control it and and arrange it in such a way that benefits them, which is what you're talking about, is it? And
1124
01:11:45.320 --> 01:11:53.115
you're also talking about, like, what's more important is, like, it's not only your information, but the information of your family and people near and dear to you.
1125
01:11:53.595 --> 01:12:02.495
The the reason why you set up signal group for your, you know, people that are close to you is like, okay. Facebook can't have this information. Yeah.
1126
01:12:03.390 --> 01:12:07.310
So And it gets really challenging. Right? Because you're you're rely
1127
01:12:08.830 --> 01:12:12.370
like, if you have a circle, you're relying on the people in your circle to
1128
01:12:12.935 --> 01:12:15.195
make good prac good choices as well.
1129
01:12:15.655 --> 01:12:16.155
Yep.
1130
01:12:16.935 --> 01:12:23.180
Exactly. And and what Rico is now also saying, like, Doxy is putting someone's life on the light.
1131
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.940
If if you are really in those situations,
1132
01:12:28.040 --> 01:12:29.020
it's like, hey.
1133
01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:32.375
You need to have multiple layers of identities
1134
01:12:33.155 --> 01:12:33.895
so that,
1135
01:12:34.835 --> 01:12:39.575
you just do not allow for those outcomes. You can have have a kill switch.
1136
01:12:39.890 --> 01:12:44.790
So, you know Do you remember when the Wall Street Journal, like, doxed where the guy
1137
01:12:45.409 --> 01:12:47.670
who created coin market cap lived?
1138
01:12:48.485 --> 01:12:54.105
No. I actually missed that one. It was pretty fucked up. It was, like, 4 years ago or something like that.
1139
01:12:54.645 --> 01:12:58.140
Well 3 years ago. He sold it to Binance since then.
1140
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:18.530
Well, if if you're that guy, it's like, well, I guess I'm moving. They literally took a picture of the building he lived in in New York and put it in the paper. That's yeah. That's, like, okay. I guess I'm moving because They were like, this man did a half a $1,000,000,000 revenue last year or whatever, and here's where he lives. Like, that was like the article. It was fucking insane.
1141
01:13:18.910 --> 01:13:22.210
But that's exactly where we have, like, privacies necessary
1142
01:13:22.590 --> 01:13:24.655
for Open Society Digital Age.
1143
01:13:25.054 --> 01:13:27.315
Eric Hughes again. Yeah. 1993.
1144
01:13:27.775 --> 01:13:30.114
1993. It's it's like yeah.
1145
01:13:30.655 --> 01:13:32.355
It is. Because otherwise,
1146
01:13:32.950 --> 01:13:35.770
you will have situations like that where
1147
01:13:36.150 --> 01:13:36.890
it's just
1148
01:13:37.750 --> 01:13:40.570
nonsense. Like, you have all this media that has
1149
01:13:41.835 --> 01:13:45.695
amazing amount of power and can blast amazing amounts of information
1150
01:13:46.235 --> 01:13:49.135
in the direction of, you know, various people.
1151
01:13:51.619 --> 01:13:54.599
If you do not have privacy, how do you even
1152
01:13:54.980 --> 01:13:57.400
structure your life in such a way that,
1153
01:13:57.780 --> 01:13:59.960
you know, you can survive those blasts?
1154
01:14:01.365 --> 01:14:01.865
Right.
1155
01:14:02.485 --> 01:14:02.985
And
1156
01:14:03.525 --> 01:14:05.145
to me, like, I referenced
1157
01:14:05.925 --> 01:14:08.025
it, the workshop, like, last
1158
01:14:08.965 --> 01:14:11.949
70 years ago. 70 years here in US
1159
01:14:12.250 --> 01:14:13.710
where you had mass,
1160
01:14:14.250 --> 01:14:16.190
media, like, mainstream media,
1161
01:14:16.890 --> 01:14:17.390
blast
1162
01:14:17.905 --> 01:14:18.405
crazy
1163
01:14:18.784 --> 01:14:21.605
types of information in the direction of people, like,
1164
01:14:21.985 --> 01:14:23.445
expressing their own frustrations.
1165
01:14:24.145 --> 01:14:36.875
And as a result, like, tears so many families apart on, like, trivial issues really when when you scratch the surface. And it's like, oh, it's not trivial. Like, yes, it is from perspective of that family. Right. It's like they were living their life,
1166
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and you just, like, took this
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01:14:40.135 --> 01:14:43.355
crazy information, just, like, blasted it in their direction,
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01:14:43.850 --> 01:14:45.949
like, separating them. And then it's
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01:14:46.250 --> 01:14:49.070
really getting to the point where it's everyday decisions.
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It's like, honey, we should buy Alexa. It's like, no, no, no, like we can't. Like, no, no, no, we need to buy Alexa,
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01:14:56.115 --> 01:15:00.695
and you suddenly have a conversation that needs to. Your lady bought Alexa?
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01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:03.099
Well Or is it you're speaking figuratively?
1173
01:15:03.480 --> 01:15:05.179
I'm speaking completely figuratively.
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01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:06.780
I yeah.
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But,
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01:15:08.495 --> 01:15:11.875
yeah, that's that's also the point is like Fucking Alexis, man.
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It's
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01:15:13.135 --> 01:15:17.715
it's then 30 minute conversation that you need to have. Alexis. Turn off the lights.
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01:15:18.620 --> 01:15:25.280
No. My favorite one is with Alexa is is when you go to like I had I had this situation like in 1 household
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01:15:25.820 --> 01:15:26.595
where like
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01:15:27.075 --> 01:15:33.015
child started crying, like, was upset, didn't get candy, and it was like Alexa was like, hey. How can I help?
1182
01:15:33.315 --> 01:15:45.575
You know? Like, do you need do you need 911? He's like, what's going on? I was like, okay. Now you need to explain to Alexa, like, what is happening. So It's just amazing that we're in a world where, like, people just install wiretaps in their house for convenience.
1183
01:15:46.275 --> 01:15:55.920
Literally an always on listening device that pipes right into a surveillance company's servers. Hey. It's it's a more interesting world, but the whole point is, like,
1184
01:15:56.220 --> 01:15:56.720
now
1185
01:15:58.060 --> 01:16:02.795
now you have another point through which you need you need to feed information.
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01:16:03.175 --> 01:16:05.675
Like, now you need to explain to your Alexa,
1187
01:16:06.055 --> 01:16:08.475
like, why why there was a kid crying.
1188
01:16:09.290 --> 01:16:17.230
With government going in the file. Yeah. That's going in the file. I know, like, government needs to process it. Like, why The really bad one recently
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is
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because, like, look. If people want to just put if people wanna put wire taps in their house,
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01:16:24.925 --> 01:16:26.865
I'm not gonna go into their house.
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01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:30.740
So A good one with that. It doesn't affect me as much.
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01:16:31.280 --> 01:16:32.660
But the Ring cameras
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01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:45.205
that people are putting, the Amazon surveillance cameras on their front door. So convenient. And you're walking down the street, and you walk past, like, 10 of them on your, like, morning walk or something. Yeah. You're captured.
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01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:49.300
It's it's so fucked, and they spread so quickly. They're everywhere.
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They gave they gave there was 11 times this year. It just came out 11 times this year. They gave footage to police without warrants because you're not protected by the 4th Amendment because Amazon has possession of the video. It's not your video. It's Amazon's.
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So it's not warrantless search and seizure.
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01:17:08.020 --> 01:17:11.115
Well, that's where we need to improve free open source
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01:17:12.135 --> 01:17:23.440
software and provide a stack where people are hosting. You know? Like, okay. I'm hosting my own videos. I'm in control. So it is protected under 4. It's funny because that's how all the video cameras used to work.
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Yeah. We used to have, like,
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01:17:26.545 --> 01:17:30.485
a server on on premise that that would hold all the video.
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01:17:31.185 --> 01:17:37.570
Yeah. And this That's what we have at the park. The yeah. But we've come full circle. It's like It's more convenient,
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01:17:38.030 --> 01:17:49.665
and if you see, like, even people like to say got docs by Casa today. Oh, did you see the Casa docs today? Yeah. It's and it's terrible because okay. It's, like bad. It was a pain. Means addresses.
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01:17:51.250 --> 01:17:52.310
Hey. It's
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01:17:53.410 --> 01:17:55.910
it's how it is, and you have all these regulations
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01:17:56.370 --> 01:17:58.530
that that are like, oh, you should
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01:17:59.725 --> 01:18:05.585
like, in their case, was it EVA? Like, were they required to to send that, or they were just It was using it as a hardback?
1208
01:18:05.965 --> 01:18:11.929
It was their store where they sold, like, hardware wallets and Faraday Faraday bags and stuff. So it wasn't
1209
01:18:12.230 --> 01:18:14.570
all of their users. It was anyone who bought
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01:18:15.065 --> 01:18:16.445
items on their store.
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And they used a 3rd part third party payment processor,
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and
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as a result, that 3rd party payment processor,
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got compromised.
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01:18:29.570 --> 01:18:30.070
Well,
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that's that's how it goes. I
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What was the list? The list is crazy. Names, emails, phone numbers, shipping and billing addresses, and products ordered.
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01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:47.940
That's why we're talking about privacy and creating systems where all that information okay.
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01:18:49.744 --> 01:18:54.165
And, again, Cypherpunk's manifesto where it's like, if I if I wanna buy a magazine,
1220
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I will give you a,
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01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:03.820
you know, cash and give me back magazine. Like, you don't need to know everything about my history to, like, complete this transaction.
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01:19:04.120 --> 01:19:05.900
And once transaction is completed,
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like, that piece of information needs to okay. It's, like, 1 month
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01:19:11.034 --> 01:19:12.175
and delete it.
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01:19:12.715 --> 01:19:14.974
Because if we do not
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really come together and build systems like that,
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it will be chaos. It's it's a society in which, like, yeah, you don't wanna live because what you're mentioning with ring cameras, it is funny. Like, someone gets access to all those videos, like,
1228
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in real time, which is quite possible.
1229
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:41.825
You can identify exactly, hey. This person is here. This person is there. Yeah. So, I mean, there was like this there was,
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01:19:42.605 --> 01:19:46.865
I think a book was written with the title, and then it became almost like a
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01:19:47.170 --> 01:19:51.590
a very common saying or meme, which is, you know, data is the new oil,
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01:19:52.210 --> 01:19:56.975
because all these different companies basically monetize data. This it was like the this new web
1233
01:19:57.515 --> 01:20:00.255
business model, which was surveil your users,
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get us collect as much data on them as possible, and then use that data to monetize the users and manipulate them to increase our revenue even more.
1235
01:20:12.025 --> 01:20:18.445
But the way I've always looked at data is that it's this massive liability, and we have Raj saying that in the comments,
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where it's it's the opposite of oil. Oil is a profitable thing that you have.
1237
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:32.985
To me, data is almost toxic as a company. You wanna have as little data as possible on your users because it makes
1238
01:20:34.965 --> 01:20:41.239
it makes it more secure for everybody, and it reduces your own legal liability in that situation or moral liability.
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01:20:41.619 --> 01:20:42.520
And I wonder
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if we will see a pivot there, if we will see a situation where because we already see it in the
1241
01:20:50.935 --> 01:20:53.594
we see it a lot in the Bitcoin ecosystem where
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01:20:54.300 --> 01:20:58.000
projects try and limit the amount of data they have on their users intentionally.
1243
01:20:59.660 --> 01:21:02.000
You don't really see it as much in the wider
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world, but to sometimes, you see it. Yeah. Like, Signal, I think Signal would be a good example. Right? Signal has
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01:21:10.370 --> 01:21:11.030
it tries
1246
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to hold as little data as possible on their users.
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01:21:15.250 --> 01:21:16.389
Yeah. And
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01:21:16.929 --> 01:21:19.565
it's it's really about understanding
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how much information you can control
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because information wants to be free.
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01:21:26.300 --> 01:21:26.800
And
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01:21:27.580 --> 01:21:28.480
if you
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you try
1254
01:21:31.740 --> 01:21:37.195
to keep information contained in such a way to, like, facilitate a robust system.
1255
01:21:37.735 --> 01:21:38.875
But if you
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01:21:39.895 --> 01:21:43.435
throw too much information at the system and get to the point where
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information can be processed.
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01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:47.699
Like, that's where all the problems are happening.
1259
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And I am glad
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01:21:50.400 --> 01:21:50.900
that
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01:21:51.875 --> 01:21:56.775
there is, yeah, that moment, the realization of, like, we actually don't want to hold
1262
01:21:57.395 --> 01:22:08.120
the user's information, which is also the decision in BTC based server project. It's like you saw a privacy policy of, BTC based server. Was it just Doria's face?
1263
01:22:09.060 --> 01:22:20.050
Yeah. Kinda. It's like, yeah. That's like the 404. Right? Or whatever. Yeah. It's 404, but privacy policy, like, we don't collect that information by. Like, that that's the privacy policy. Seen that. So
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01:22:20.830 --> 01:22:21.330
that's
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01:22:22.670 --> 01:22:32.445
and the thing is also That's beautiful. It is, but that's as a developer you want to contribute to, like, system like that. You don't want to be
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01:22:32.824 --> 01:22:35.324
contributing to a system where, like, okay,
1267
01:22:35.864 --> 01:22:45.080
this is my weekly meeting with lawyers. Let's go over some updates. You must feel a battle there because you contribute to both. Uh-oh. I, I do. You have a strike in BTCPay.
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01:22:45.699 --> 01:22:45.780
I
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yeah.
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Let's not even get into the subject, like, how much more time we have or it will be, like, 4 hour episode.
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01:22:54.500 --> 01:23:05.915
But my point there is what? I said we've done it before. Yeah. But my point there is, this is also where our discussion about nibs is is so important. It's because,
1272
01:23:07.815 --> 01:23:21.934
hey, that root identity of yours that you, like okay. You you you don't you don't wanna change it. Like, okay. You don't wanna change name. You can change address, but, okay, you don't wanna change name. Hey. Don't use that identity for anything.
1273
01:23:23.034 --> 01:23:23.695
Like, just
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01:23:24.554 --> 01:23:25.614
just take,
1275
01:23:26.235 --> 01:23:27.054
at least
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01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:34.100
an effort to come up with different first name, last name if you're still ordering to that mailing address.
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01:23:35.795 --> 01:23:36.295
And
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01:23:36.755 --> 01:23:42.435
then you will at least have that level of disconnect. Like, okay, it's it's not tied to,
1279
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:46.740
your other information. It won't be as easy to tie.
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01:23:47.120 --> 01:23:47.620
Or,
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01:23:48.480 --> 01:23:52.180
can get traveling mailbox, like, get get those forwarding services,
1282
01:23:52.655 --> 01:23:54.035
especially if you're ordering
1283
01:23:54.575 --> 01:23:56.515
something that's related to,
1284
01:23:57.055 --> 01:23:59.875
you know, in this case, like, money, Bitcoin.
1285
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:01.800
Because if you don't
1286
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:04.140
yeah.
1287
01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:09.020
It it it is a it is a problem that's that's festering. And then also
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01:24:09.335 --> 01:24:15.035
companies in this space, like, there are, like, companies in bit Bitcoin space, like, okay. Let's
1289
01:24:15.415 --> 01:24:17.995
let's make an effort to go towards
1290
01:24:19.309 --> 01:24:20.289
deletion of data.
1291
01:24:21.630 --> 01:24:24.369
Like, did you really need to have that data
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01:24:24.909 --> 01:24:27.329
on the service for a year?
1293
01:24:28.465 --> 01:24:28.965
Right.
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01:24:29.425 --> 01:24:33.284
So let's That's what we see. I mean, NVK does that with CoinKite.
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01:24:33.585 --> 01:24:36.885
Yeah. Amazing. They do auto deletes, I think, 90 days.
1296
01:24:37.659 --> 01:24:39.360
Perfect. Let's let's
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01:24:40.219 --> 01:24:46.000
start piloting the point where is it? Hey. I mean, we've seen so many data leaks, especially recently.
1298
01:24:46.985 --> 01:24:49.405
I mean, Swan got hit this week as well.
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01:24:49.865 --> 01:24:50.365
Cool.
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01:24:51.145 --> 01:24:55.085
It was the second time Swan has gotten hit in a couple months, I think.
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01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:58.580
Unchained had been hit previously.
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01:25:00.160 --> 01:25:03.700
A lot of the crypto services. BlockFi got hit really hard.
1303
01:25:04.725 --> 01:25:05.225
Yeah.
1304
01:25:06.125 --> 01:25:06.625
So
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01:25:07.925 --> 01:25:15.140
That's what I'm telling you about is that And one of the reoccurring things that you see is is not only, okay, so reduce the information you collect,
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01:25:16.080 --> 01:25:22.020
reduce the amount of time you hold it for to the bare minimum, sometimes regulations and stuff require you to hold things,
1307
01:25:23.474 --> 01:25:30.614
But then the third thing is reduce your reliance on trusted third parties as an organization. So, like, everyone in Bitcoin pretty much
1308
01:25:31.430 --> 01:25:37.210
coalesces around, you know, Nick Szabo and and trusted trusted third parties or security holes,
1309
01:25:38.695 --> 01:25:49.840
but there's there's, like, a disconnect there as soon as you get to the company because then the companies all are using their own trusted third parties. So not only are you trusting the company, but then you're trusting it's like a Russian doll thing.
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01:25:50.940 --> 01:26:03.494
There's trusted third parties all the way fucking down. Yeah, because regulation requires it. There are companies that specialize. But there's some there's some there's some businesses where it doesn't. So, like, Ledger's third party marketing
1311
01:26:04.429 --> 01:26:10.050
email service, whatever, got compromised, and that's how the 1000000 Ledger users got docs. Yeah.
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01:26:11.205 --> 01:26:17.065
There was no regulation that required them to use that trusted third party. NVK does all of his marketing in house.
1313
01:26:17.605 --> 01:26:20.425
Right? It was just treated with a lack of regard.
1314
01:26:22.010 --> 01:26:27.790
It it is what is happening in wider society because what that convenience factor you're mentioning,
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01:26:28.945 --> 01:26:30.485
it allows you to get ahead.
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01:26:30.945 --> 01:26:42.170
Because you're using that service, and now you don't need to actually spend time building robust service. But it's all trade off, so cost benefit. But it goes back to what we are talking about NIMS. Is it
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01:26:42.810 --> 01:26:45.150
would it be great that others
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01:26:45.635 --> 01:26:47.255
treat your information
1319
01:26:47.875 --> 01:26:56.340
and, you know, your identity with respect? Like, yes, it is. But at the end of the day, it's like it's it's up to you. And it's
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01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:57.940
positioning yourself,
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01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:02.500
and putting yourself in situation where, okay,
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01:27:03.065 --> 01:27:03.965
something happens,
1323
01:27:04.265 --> 01:27:05.485
it's not catastrophic
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01:27:05.785 --> 01:27:07.325
loss. It's basically,
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01:27:08.745 --> 01:27:09.920
yeah, what can you do?
1326
01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:14.820
So that's like, I'm telling you, this this whole thing also with Rockstar,
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01:27:17.120 --> 01:27:18.900
I I don't need to die tomorrow,
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01:27:19.594 --> 01:27:20.094
but
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01:27:20.554 --> 01:27:23.135
my identity and and my, you know,
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01:27:23.435 --> 01:27:33.590
the way that I structure interactions with the world, Like, it will be much better if I die tomorrow than in, like, 2 years. What do you aim to get out of ending the SNIM?
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01:27:35.655 --> 01:27:39.515
Control of information. Like, Rockstar persona is already
1332
01:27:39.895 --> 01:27:41.195
at the point where
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01:27:41.740 --> 01:27:45.120
so much stuff is happening that's, you know, beyond my control.
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01:27:45.580 --> 01:27:51.200
And it's not obvious because it didn't bubble up to the level of, you know, public discourse.
1335
01:27:51.835 --> 01:27:54.815
But, you know, like, DMs that I'm getting, like,
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01:27:55.995 --> 01:27:59.114
pictures of me, that type of stuff is it's just like
1337
01:27:59.829 --> 01:28:03.050
Time for a fresh start. It is time for a fresh start, and
1338
01:28:03.829 --> 01:28:07.929
it's it's it's also like, I'm telling you, it's it's good to have those closures,
1339
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because
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01:28:10.025 --> 01:28:12.525
Rockstar persona takes a lot of time.
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01:28:12.825 --> 01:28:18.900
I mean, you know, like preparing this funeral, like I mean, obviously, there's a trade off here. Right? That if you had
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01:28:20.240 --> 01:28:20.740
just
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01:28:22.320 --> 01:28:23.460
if you just stopped
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01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:27.380
interacting with the world from the rock star identity
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01:28:27.985 --> 01:28:29.605
and cycle to a new identity
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01:28:30.545 --> 01:28:31.204
and didn't,
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01:28:31.744 --> 01:28:32.405
you know,
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host a funeral
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01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:35.420
at
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01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:37.020
publicly
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01:28:38.440 --> 01:28:44.140
and talk about it publicly, it would have been an ease it'd it'd be easier to do it. Right? Like, you're definitely,
1352
01:28:45.385 --> 01:28:48.844
yes, but it would So what do you aim to achieve by making it
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01:28:49.145 --> 01:28:50.204
a public thing?
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01:28:50.585 --> 01:28:53.164
Inspire others. Like give a blueprint.
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01:28:54.110 --> 01:28:58.370
Get people thinking about, hey, you know, can do the same.
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01:28:59.310 --> 01:29:02.449
Like, experience it as well. I mean, I,
1357
01:29:03.605 --> 01:29:10.344
yeah, you could, like, have just, like I could just stop responding to your messages and, like, what happened? Right? Yeah. But
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01:29:10.804 --> 01:29:11.304
it's
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01:29:11.700 --> 01:29:14.360
it's nice to have this kind of closure,
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01:29:15.220 --> 01:29:20.440
right, with with you joining tomorrow and, like, Rivera and Zuko and
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01:29:20.900 --> 01:29:21.400
see,
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01:29:22.565 --> 01:29:24.665
there is a reason why funerals exist.
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01:29:25.605 --> 01:29:34.080
So to me, it's it's also yeah. It's it's that closure, and it's it is okay. There there is a selfish component as well, like me experiencing that.
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01:29:34.700 --> 01:29:39.565
So when time comes for my root identity, I will be better prepared. Right?
1365
01:29:40.605 --> 01:29:44.465
I But when you actually die? Well, yeah. Like, well, you.
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01:29:44.844 --> 01:29:47.745
My root identity, when when it dies, yeah,
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01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:59.455
it will be better prepared. I feel like you should we should, like, lock you in a closet or something while we're doing the funeral because, like, people shouldn't be able to observe their own funeral.
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01:30:00.075 --> 01:30:01.455
It seems like it's unfair.
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01:30:04.475 --> 01:30:08.920
Why? We like, we have this see this producer's closet here? It's completely soundproof.
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01:30:09.380 --> 01:30:13.880
Like, not only can you not hear anything outside, but, like, no one would even hear you scream in there.
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01:30:14.635 --> 01:30:18.895
So so you gotta lock me up there with Lock me in there, do the funeral,
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01:30:19.675 --> 01:30:22.815
and then you can come out as a new a new identity.
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01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:26.659
And, I mean, you didn't know who Rockstar was because you were just born
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01:30:27.280 --> 01:30:27.780
tomorrow.
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So, like, you didn't miss anything.
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01:30:30.985 --> 01:30:39.645
You just fucking died. So I'm I'm not, like, even listening to the funeral as it's time. No. You can never listen to it. No one's ever able to listen to their own funeral.
1377
01:30:41.370 --> 01:30:44.030
Now this is how old you wanted to be in control.
1378
01:30:45.130 --> 01:30:49.455
Or or eulogy, like, absolutely sucks, so you don't want to hear it.
1379
01:30:49.775 --> 01:30:54.515
Usually, you don't have the pressure of the person who's dying getting hearing the eulogy. Right?
1380
01:30:54.895 --> 01:30:55.395
Yeah.
1381
01:30:56.015 --> 01:30:56.515
Well,
1382
01:30:57.230 --> 01:30:59.730
sorry, Matt. You gotta do this for me. And, well,
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01:31:00.190 --> 01:31:08.695
I could you could just roast him, Rico is saying. Well, that's why Zuko is there. Like, if anyone can roast other people, it's him. It is nice that that it's
1384
01:31:10.135 --> 01:31:13.835
it's probably it's usually not cute to roast someone
1385
01:31:14.180 --> 01:31:15.560
at their funeral, but,
1386
01:31:16.500 --> 01:31:23.505
no. You should absolutely roast them. Than it is. That that's exactly what it's all about is, like, you should do as much remembrance
1387
01:31:23.965 --> 01:31:26.545
of crazy moment as you can. Like,
1388
01:31:26.925 --> 01:31:29.505
you you and I like those moments that
1389
01:31:30.130 --> 01:31:33.270
you remember. Like, okay. Yeah. We'll talk about them.
1390
01:31:34.130 --> 01:31:41.655
Then with Zuko oh, fuck. With Zuko, actually, I'm not sure he can share some of the moments, like, some of the best moments because,
1391
01:31:42.995 --> 01:31:46.775
yeah, they were tricky. But, Lavera, oh, same thing.
1392
01:31:47.130 --> 01:31:52.909
But Lavera's gonna sing? Yeah. He will. I mean, you you heard it today. Like, it's pretty good. Right?
1393
01:31:55.985 --> 01:31:59.445
Why are you laughing? It was pretty good. It was it was pretty good. Yes.
1394
01:31:59.905 --> 01:32:02.565
And, you know, like, look at the fact that
1395
01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:08.100
you're like, oh, you're doing this funeral funeral. Like, what's the point? Now with Rivera,
1396
01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:15.275
listeners of of dispatch can know, like, he will sing American Funeral American Funeral, American Anthem.
1397
01:32:15.975 --> 01:32:19.880
So imagine the gift to the world was spangled banner. Yeah. Like,
1398
01:32:20.679 --> 01:32:25.100
how how Rivera said it. He's like You know, we don't, like, do that at funerals. Right?
1399
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:34.225
Why not? Is that, like, the stereotypical American funeral? Is that what you think? Yeah. It should be. Yeah. B is immigrant like that. Some of them, they do, but
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Hey.
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01:32:35.725 --> 01:32:37.985
I would I like yeah. I will be, like,
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even press f to pay respect. That will be the the whole deal.
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01:32:42.570 --> 01:32:45.790
But now with Rivera, he said it well. Like, so he's,
1404
01:32:48.065 --> 01:32:51.605
yeah, whatever. That bold, shiny head singing. Oh my god.
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01:32:52.305 --> 01:32:59.970
See? Like, it's already becoming a meme. Probably just, like, blindly read you just, like, blindly read the comment. Hey. I needed to read this comment,
1406
01:33:00.350 --> 01:33:01.730
but it's not boldy,
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01:33:02.270 --> 01:33:06.465
bold, shiny head. It's absolutely polished podcast. Like,
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01:33:06.845 --> 01:33:07.665
we love
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01:33:07.965 --> 01:33:10.545
the Aussies. We love Lavera. So
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01:33:11.390 --> 01:33:16.770
grateful for that. Yeah. It'd be a good time. I mean, we have we have a lot of people come in just for it, which is cool.
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01:33:17.550 --> 01:33:19.090
It is. And, again,
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01:33:20.055 --> 01:33:26.475
if it inspires You have 2 people in the studio who came in just for it. Yeah. They're like They're saddened for the conversation.
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01:33:27.255 --> 01:33:32.610
Live listening, but if it inspires at least one more funeral, like, I would be
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01:33:33.310 --> 01:33:35.070
I would be happy. And,
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01:33:35.470 --> 01:33:42.495
then we can start iterating on nibs. And Gigi also tweeted well, like, 1 dies, 21 rise.
1416
01:33:42.955 --> 01:33:44.335
You know? When
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01:33:44.990 --> 01:33:53.810
the rock star is dead and there is, like, a need to contribute more in the space, like, some other developers are gonna step up. I know it. So
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01:33:54.785 --> 01:33:56.325
need to free up the space.
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01:34:00.065 --> 01:34:03.125
Are you ever gonna come on dispatch again on your new identity?
1420
01:34:04.100 --> 01:34:07.960
Well, I don't let's first get you Durov. Right? And then
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01:34:10.500 --> 01:34:17.465
if I come, I'd also need to set up the voice synthesis as well. Are you concerned about the voice? Because your voice is pretty doxed on this identity.
1422
01:34:17.925 --> 01:34:18.425
Yeah.
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01:34:19.420 --> 01:34:19.920
I,
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01:34:20.460 --> 01:34:25.280
if I'm ever public on another identity, it will need to be a voice
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01:34:25.900 --> 01:34:27.120
synthesis because
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01:34:27.915 --> 01:34:30.495
I kept telling you, may maybe it's my professional
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01:34:31.795 --> 01:34:32.574
the the deformity,
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01:34:33.435 --> 01:34:33.935
but
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01:34:34.795 --> 01:34:36.014
I I love
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01:34:37.369 --> 01:34:38.909
well structured systems
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01:34:39.210 --> 01:34:40.590
as as, like, engineer.
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01:34:41.210 --> 01:34:41.710
And
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01:34:42.329 --> 01:34:42.829
I
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01:34:43.290 --> 01:34:44.989
I really want to, like,
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01:34:46.015 --> 01:34:48.275
stop the spillover, and I want to
1436
01:34:48.735 --> 01:34:54.355
wrap up Rockstar identity and, like, okay. It's closure because every idiot can start a thing.
1437
01:34:55.040 --> 01:34:57.460
It's hard to, like, finish a thing. So
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01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:02.740
so, yeah, if if there is a public identity, I definitely need to do voice synthesis.
1439
01:35:04.815 --> 01:35:05.955
I'm ready for,
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01:35:07.535 --> 01:35:16.660
online podcasts, so you like most people saw my setup, usual, with Right. Body burning into the background, and you have voice instances easily.
1441
01:35:17.200 --> 01:35:21.665
But for this, like, in person setups, I kinda need to figure something out.
1442
01:35:24.545 --> 01:35:26.065
There should be something you can just
1443
01:35:26.945 --> 01:35:31.445
like, I have this mixer that I'm looking at right here. It's gotta be something you can do with it.
1444
01:35:32.460 --> 01:35:38.960
Well, first, yeah, let me die. Rest in peace a little bit. Figure it out. First, we have to make the funeral happen.
1445
01:35:39.675 --> 01:35:40.495
We will.
1446
01:35:40.795 --> 01:35:42.715
It will be amazing tomorrow, and,
1447
01:35:43.275 --> 01:35:47.775
yeah. Rockstar, it's been an honor and a pleasure. This has been a fantastic conversation.
1448
01:35:50.490 --> 01:35:53.550
Well, we didn't spend too much time this time.
1449
01:35:54.090 --> 01:35:54.590
Yeah.
1450
01:35:55.450 --> 01:35:58.405
Being, how how did you call it last one? Therapy.
1451
01:35:58.865 --> 01:36:14.575
Last time was a was an Odell therapy session. I appreciated it. Oh, yeah. I'm in a better place now. Yeah. But now it's actually Now I think I need to review therapy. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what friends are for. Right? We got As long as we don't both need it at the same time, then we're good.
1452
01:36:15.035 --> 01:36:15.535
Yeah.
1453
01:36:16.795 --> 01:36:19.055
Do you have any final thoughts before we wrap up?
1454
01:36:21.350 --> 01:36:24.170
I do. I wanna say I love you, man.
1455
01:36:24.550 --> 01:36:27.130
So you were right. I was hitting on you. And
1456
01:36:28.325 --> 01:36:31.225
the reason why I'm I'm doing it is just, like,
1457
01:36:32.085 --> 01:36:37.225
when I'm gone, like, keep inspiring people. Like, I know it's not easy. I know
1458
01:36:38.570 --> 01:36:47.925
we're draining you with all the demands and, like, Matt, like, moderate this panel. Matt, organize this open state open source stage.
1459
01:36:48.465 --> 01:36:49.765
But, hey, man.
1460
01:36:50.385 --> 01:36:51.125
Who else
1461
01:36:51.425 --> 01:36:52.805
if not you? So
1462
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:56.100
you should also consider starting uncle program.
1463
01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:57.300
Like,
1464
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:01.860
get nephew. See? I have my nephew here in studio.
1465
01:37:02.994 --> 01:37:04.054
It helps out.
1466
01:37:05.315 --> 01:37:08.435
So whatever you struggle, Matt, remember this, and,
1467
01:37:08.915 --> 01:37:11.970
keep pushing on until you decide to die.
1468
01:37:13.410 --> 01:37:14.790
I appreciate you, brother.
1469
01:37:15.410 --> 01:37:16.550
The feeling is mutual.
1470
01:37:19.225 --> 01:37:23.965
Yeah. Heck of a rip. A heck of you know, shout out to Rockstar, man.
1471
01:37:24.665 --> 01:37:25.885
It's been a good run.
1472
01:37:27.010 --> 01:37:30.310
It has. It's both beautiful and horrible to see it ending,
1473
01:37:31.170 --> 01:37:33.030
but I'm glad to be a part of it.
1474
01:37:33.890 --> 01:37:39.445
Oh, man. What's the I remember when you were just a little rock star. Tidy. The little tyke
1475
01:37:41.744 --> 01:37:44.165
arguing arguing about shitcoin support.
1476
01:37:46.400 --> 01:37:52.500
Well, that got me a brother that will carry on in my name as well. But it's it's been a true pleasure.
1477
01:37:54.534 --> 01:37:55.755
Well, thank you, my dude,
1478
01:37:56.135 --> 01:37:57.195
for joining us.
1479
01:37:57.895 --> 01:38:02.054
Always good having you in town. Always good kicking it. I hope,
1480
01:38:03.860 --> 01:38:04.920
whoever you become
1481
01:38:07.460 --> 01:38:09.540
visits us in Nashville very often, and,
1482
01:38:10.205 --> 01:38:14.225
hope hopefully, we we have many good times in the future
1483
01:38:14.925 --> 01:38:16.304
with whoever the new
1484
01:38:17.005 --> 01:38:19.790
No. No. No. I will always be a rock star to you.
1485
01:38:21.630 --> 01:38:24.210
I wanna thank all the freaks who joined us,
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01:38:24.590 --> 01:38:25.090
today.
1487
01:38:26.110 --> 01:38:32.585
It's been a been a great day. It's gonna we have some great plans tonight, so it should be a lot of fun. I hope you all have good plans,
1488
01:38:33.284 --> 01:38:35.385
spend time with friends and family this weekend.
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01:38:36.580 --> 01:38:41.640
As always, you know, I skipped the intro this for this one because we did a doubleheader,
1490
01:38:42.980 --> 01:38:47.344
but I really do appreciate all you who join us in the live chat, whether that's on
1491
01:38:47.965 --> 01:38:48.864
Twitter, Twitch,
1492
01:38:49.165 --> 01:38:50.625
YouTube, or in Matrix.
1493
01:38:52.200 --> 01:38:55.820
Appreciate you all who subscribe to the show and share with your friends and family,
1494
01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:58.860
and I especially appreciate y'all who
1495
01:38:59.295 --> 01:39:02.514
continue to support the show, whether that's through podcasting 2 point o,
1496
01:39:03.295 --> 01:39:05.395
or the BTC pay server instance
1497
01:39:06.014 --> 01:39:06.915
at dispatch.com
1498
01:39:08.060 --> 01:39:08.960
or the pay
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01:39:09.340 --> 01:39:11.520
name, appreciate it. I really do.
1500
01:39:12.380 --> 01:39:15.280
Usually, I read the top 4 boosts from the previous
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01:39:16.005 --> 01:39:16.505
episode,
1502
01:39:17.205 --> 01:39:19.065
but the previous rip was with Sid
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01:39:19.525 --> 01:39:20.825
about 5 hours ago.
1504
01:39:22.325 --> 01:39:23.785
The amazing thing is
1505
01:39:25.369 --> 01:39:28.269
there's already more than 4 freaks who have submitted boostergrams.
1506
01:39:29.369 --> 01:39:31.070
We have Blockchain Boog,
1507
01:39:31.824 --> 01:39:36.565
5,000 sats saying time to go to a meetup. What an inspiration. And then we have
1508
01:39:38.065 --> 01:39:39.045
Tron Sington,
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01:39:40.840 --> 01:39:50.284
a 100 100 sats, no message. Boshko, 50 sats, no message. And f dub 7, 50 sats, no message. And Slim Shady, 50 sats, no message.
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01:39:50.585 --> 01:39:51.885
Appreciate all you freaks.
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01:39:52.745 --> 01:39:59.680
If you haven't listened to the other 2 pods I dispatches we ripped, this week, consider going back and listening to them at your leisure.
1512
01:40:00.380 --> 01:40:03.120
I am well aware that I am doing these
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01:40:04.385 --> 01:40:10.245
in kind of a crazy schedule, but the way I look at it is I could hold on to them myself and curate it for you
1514
01:40:10.945 --> 01:40:22.719
and decide when you get to listen to them, or I could drop them all on you at when they record it because I love these live shows, and you can listen to them or watch them at your leisure, whether that's on Bitcoin TV or
1515
01:40:23.625 --> 01:40:25.805
Telegram or your podcast app. So
1516
01:40:26.985 --> 01:40:32.445
gotta just practice some of that personal responsibility we like to talk about all the time. Rockstar, it's been a pleasure.
1517
01:40:33.130 --> 01:40:34.510
It's been a pleasure, Matt.
1518
01:40:34.970 --> 01:40:35.950
Cheers to you.
1519
01:40:36.730 --> 01:40:38.350
Stay humble, StackSats freaks.
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01:40:38.730 --> 01:40:39.230
Peace.
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It's your boy Odell here
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for the second of
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a Citadel dispatch doubleheader on this Bitcoin Friday.
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I am fortunate enough
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to be
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joined
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by
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previous
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guest of the pod and good friend, Rockstar Dev. How's it going, Rockstar?
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Always amazing when we're together, Matt, so
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always amazing. It's been a big week.
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and, funeral tomorrow.
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You really have
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this Bitcoin part going with events.
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the funeral that Rockstar is talking about
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is he is
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ending
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this nim. He's ending this identity
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tomorrow,
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and I'm going to have the honor of
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conducting the funeral. Is that is that the word?
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with your beautiful voice, and I can't wait for the eulogy. You don't wanna share any details of the eulogy yet.
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Well, I hope so. No. I don't wanna build it up too much. It's my first it's my first eulogy. I've never given one before.
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Oh, so I'm I'm your first. Nice. Yeah. And you're gonna actually be listening to it, which is like it adds extra pressure.
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It's important to set expectations correctly.
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So last time you were on the show, when was the last time you were on dispatch?
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and someone mentioned some topic, and you're immediately, like, episode 43. Well, 43 is the Yeah. It's our beginner's episode. That's an important one to run for. Yeah.
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Shout out to q and a for helping with that.
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Shout out to him. I hope
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you like
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how Matt and me have delivered with those
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stamps.
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We have whole Miami with
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no kyconly.com
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stamp.
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That was a good one.
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Oh, which episode is that? Oh, I guess we didn't argue. Like, we didn't argue about it. We talked about it. We planned that out. Me and you planned that out together on air.
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I mean,
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we we even were were planning when the conference was happening. You're, like, overwhelmed running open source stage, and I'm like,
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Matt, we have this, like, organized lady here that's like, oh, guys. You can't be stamping dollar bills.
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Like, give you I'm like, Matt, help us out. Matt, which
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We have,
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com communer in the comments saying, I'm listening to the pod from a few hours ago, and now there's another live one. LOL, relax.
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when by the time he hears this, he'll be listening to it on the podcast app in, like, a couple days. But shout out
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my new strategy with dispatch is,
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when I have
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when I have
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good people in the area or I'm near them and I can do in person conversations, I'm gonna pump them out.
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And,
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when I don't, I'm not gonna waste my time or everyone else's time by just putting out episodes.
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And I don't like sitting on episodes
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because I feel like they age horribly, and I like the live format
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because then we have our fantastic
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all the freaks come and join us in the live chat.
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at the bar that,
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it's it's really interesting format because
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some conversations can happen only in, you know, certain point of time. Right. So
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I just I'm telling you, I do wish I structured it a little bit better
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because I I did make some commitments after the funeral,
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but now I'm going for
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cameos. Right? That's how it's called. So everyone is now asked for a bit block boom. Like, who is Rockstar being there, and I just wanna announce on your pod that it will be Gary Leland.
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He's gonna shave his head and beat rock stars.
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That's who who is
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attending and presenting BTC based server workshop with Brit.
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Amazing, dude.
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I really wanna start with what I was
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you know, I can't stop thinking about today, and so I'd rather just
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have a conversation about it in the beginning,
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which is this whole
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situation with Tornado Cash.
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The US Treasury sanctioned the smart contract.
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They got pulled from GitHub.
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Infura and Alchemy, like, the hosted Ethereum node providers have,
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blocked them. So if users aren't using their own node, they can't access a smart contract.
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About 15%
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of the liquidity in there, it was, like, $60,000,000
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or something like that, has been withdrawn since the sanctions happened.
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Some famous people got dusted.
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What else is there? Wrapped Bitcoin and USDC got frozen,
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one of the 29 year old developers
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got arrested in the Netherlands today.
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Yep. Lot lot of lot of things to unpack there. I'm just curious. I mean, you're obviously
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you're everybody's uncle.
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You've been around for a minute.
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I'm curious on your perspective here. I mean
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like, as I was starting to contribute to BTC based server
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because I don't know,
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people remember everything that happened through the history of BTC based server, but,
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I've been thinking about this. Yeah. As as I was, you know, starting to contribute to b t c pay server, and
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there were quite a few moments where
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you had situations where it's quite obvious that that I mean, this is coming.
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As we proceed with separating money and state, it's insane to think that state will not fight fight back in some form.
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And, we are still not at the stage where
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it's really direct conflict,
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but it's obviously indirect,
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this this whole move to
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smart contracts, like, under OFAC list, and then
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there must have been someone in that decision process who was, like, how will we even enforce this?
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there is no robust there is no fair way to enforce the regulation.
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So, like, what, yeah, what are we doing here?
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to me, like, I've been thinking about that from the perspective of contributing to open source and b two c pay server because
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it's it's the same thing. It's like, hey, someone
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funds,
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for Some kind of criminal activity or something. Yeah. Something that's designated as a criminal activity in a local, you know,
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regulatory region. And now, like, oh, you know, you created code that
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allows that. Okay. It's your fault.
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No. I don't remember that. Well When was that? What's what's the name of that defense decentralized? Like, Cody, Court? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he went on Alex Jones and then Shilled
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BTC pay server. I do remember that. Yeah. And
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when I saw that on mainstream media, like, it was like, oh, they were accepting Bitcoin to
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print guns. I was like, okay. Yeah. Great that that at least came. The the hornet nest. Yeah. Here comes the hornet nest. And only later do I learn it's I'm gonna dox you, but it's it's
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strategy general hands in all of that, but Of course. It's yeah. It's quite I mean, BTC Pay is perfect for that.
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Hey. BTC Pay is
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as as a part of your, you know, sovereignty stack, and,
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to track money movements
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on the level that that's even even today? Like like, something is wrong with the system.
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Like, let's go few steps back and see what is wrong instead of,
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like, what will they do now that were famous people got dusted? Like, will will they arrest Brian Armstrong? Well, the thing is Yeah. Brian can't prove that he didn't
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to, like, a lot of celebrities
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pretty much at the same time. But, like, if they just kept
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if if that just keeps happening over and over again at different amounts, different days, different stuff like that, then all of a sudden, it gets really, really messy.
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parts of sanctions is, like, this chilling effect that sanctions do because
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it's such a high penalty environment, and it's so it's a lot of it's very vague, so people are scared.
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we are like, the way we're saying our words, we're, like, watching ourselves on our words, and, like, I just wanna be clear, like, everyone should follow their local laws and not not evade sanctions. Absolutely. But,
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there's this chilling effect, and I part of me wonders, like, if they were just chilling there in the US Treasury or the Biden administration. There's some rumors that, like, the directive came directly from the Biden administration. If it was like, hey. Like, all these so called, you know, DeFi projects and stuff are, like, all super interconnected,
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and a lot of them have, like, central choke points and stuff. Let's
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let's just sanction this address. Let's just sanction this contract address and just see what hell breaks loose. Because, like, a lot it's not, now all the different services are trying to cover their ass,
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right, and kinda watch how it all unfolds. Like, maybe someone was just, you know, Yeah, but it's an exploratory thing.
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a fact finding kind of thing. Like, let's see what happens.
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It's a very easy thing for them to do. They literally just updated a blog post with, like, the contract address, and then they, like, press send tweet, and then they, like,
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go to bed, and they're, like, let's see what happens in the morning. Yeah. But, I mean, if you have any
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need to,
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who's like contributing
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do you really wanna live in a world where, like, someone
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updates their blog post? Like, that's that's a great way to say it. Literally all they did was up update their blog post. Yeah. And and now you have
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thousands of people around the world covering their ass. I mean,
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yeah, I I don't wanna live in that system. It's just
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in this one, it's a like, what did you even solve the problem?
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Right? That that that's my point. Did you, like, solve the problem, or
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you you have covered your own ass?
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You know? What do you mean? Well, they're they're having recent hires that are, like, cybersecurity,
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initiatives and and all that stuff. Prove that they need something? Yeah.
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because you have better structure, better system. Like, it's you getting arrested. It's now the whole narrative is is not about, okay, let's look into what's actual crime that's happening here, and let's see too if someone is doing something really wrong. Let's bring them to justice.
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like, developer got arrested. Should GitHub do this? Should, like, conversation is in completely different
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arena, and, yeah, it's
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has such a big impact.
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frontline that I see as as we continue this down this path of separating money and state it will be like that's how they're going to target. They're gonna target
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developers and code repositories
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Sarah tweeted today that was funny.
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Like, Satoshi Nakamoto arrested for inventing Bitcoin and facilitating money laundering. You know? I mean, this is equivalent to,
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is is liable for that.
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So, like, even though, like, the check is there, it doesn't really help that much in the short term. Right?
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like, it's obvious to you and me, like, why that is a good thing. Okay.
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a, what it is, like, sanctions list or they're like, you're contributing to Bitcoin. You you're facilitating money laundering. Okay. You need to fight. You need to show that
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for what comes next?
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over the last week of with all this stuff going on, or
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do you think we're in a good place as an ecosystem?
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I I actually think we are, man,
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there are so many competing conversations, and then some conversations are like, oh, Bitcoin Maxis,
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uniformity of thought, this and that, but then it's,
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there are questions that, like, let's kick kick out commies out of Bitcoin. You know? There are people that are more, like, collectivistically
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when those conversations start popping up, I always remember, we are all satoshi video.
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we come from all walks of life and, like, all different identities and
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people with with,
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Ethereum as a security or whatnot, but, okay, someone has that viewpoint and,
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Like, that's actually what everyone is trying. Like, people are trying for that
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diversity.
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Well, it's really diversity of thought and viewpoints.
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And for Bitcoiners, it comes so effortlessly. It's not even like it's crazy. So but just to go back, I mean, you said
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developers
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should prepare accordingly.
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of the good developers in the space prepared accordingly?
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And
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what should what do they need to do to prepare?
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I would say we are actually pretty good prepared. I mean, we're involved with all these.
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At this point,
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there are grants. There
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are VCs. There are investors. Like, we actually have a pretty good network.
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So if any of us gets
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gets attacked in such a way that,
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you know, you need to go to court to prove your innocence. Like, I would think
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there would be a fundraiser. There would be a community support,
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especially,
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like, for myself, I I actually yeah. I don't have any fear.
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May maybe some developers that are
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not not as popular, but I I still like I look at the I look at Bitcoin Core devs the way they were defended by
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Jack Dorsey and,
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everyone else, like, represented against Craig Wright. Yeah. That that was great. That was exactly what the doctor ordered. And,
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I mean, see, we even have, like, fundraisers.
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We we have, you know, for non developers,
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that you think more developers should take their own privacy seriously.
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of the
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of the answer where
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but I I want to
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really emphasize this first part because
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for some of the developers that are super critical
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for the ecosystem,
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Like, it's it's not like they can
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just create a new name Right. And then That'd be so obvious. Yeah. It will be yeah. Look at the code base, and
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and there needs to be at least some level
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of
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of
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doxing and trust
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in order for collaboration to take part. Like, you can't just accept.
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Well,
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it takes time to build a reputation
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Right. To re If you have a new identity, you have to build the reputation up. You need to build reputation up. You need to build trust with other developers you're collaborating with.
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Otherwise, like, I don't know, there are
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rock star developers that can just join project and But you could off. You could also, like,
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you create a new identity, you create a new NIM,
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and
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then through trusted channels you already have from rock start from the previous
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I'm just talking to you about the outage from the previous identity.
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Those connections, if you already have trusted channels there, you tell a few of them,
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you know, this is my new
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thing. And then the greater world, you have more
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insulation from the greater world. It's not perfect, but you also are able to But that's exactly the trust process or whatever. Right? That's exactly
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in
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which collaboration can happen.
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One interesting thought that comes to mind is maybe we can have a,
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like, coin joint for developers. Like, I I quit my
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rockstar dev name, and I just start a new language and new project, and then some other great dev from another project joins PTC pay server. So we can, like, mix developers,
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but
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yeah, it all seriously And that requires
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like, I've been coding for over 2 decades.
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So if I need to learn a new technology, a new project, it will be easier for me to do it. Plus, imagine Bitcoin core developer switching to, I don't know, LND project.
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They they can they have easier time. Like, they already have
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knowledge, but it
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takes some time to develop, but
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I think those trading developers between projects can be interesting.
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However,
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if we wanna go and expand on this, like, developers preparing with their names,
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yeah. Definitely. I mean, if there is a if you know
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there is a
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piece of,
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free open source software that you will be contributing in next 3 years
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and you haven't started yet, like, it's a great time to come up with NIM that's disconnected from everything.
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And
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sure, I mean, you you can
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seed it with previous reputation, but
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it's best if you avoid it. And
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even in in Bitcoin Core, we are lucky to have
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a few devs that are, you know, pretty
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well set from the privacy standpoint, and, you know, they're not talks.
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So,
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yeah. We have a lot of those. Yeah. Like, lately,
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people are joining. So and
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what's the name of,
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what's the name
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of the dev that was supported by,
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spiral?
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Z man. Z man. Yeah. Z man. It's got a nim so strong. Notice. Yeah. You can't even, like, remember the nim. It's like Z man. Okay. That was a z plus a bunch of letters and numbers. Hey.
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So, yeah, that that's inspiration, and even that
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he managed to get a grant on a NIM is
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but one of my concerns
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for a while has been,
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you know, Spiral is not
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a 5 0 1c3 tax deductible,
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organization.
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Yep.
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So,
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like,
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Square doesn't get or Block
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isn't getting a tax deduction for those grants.
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It's basically just essentially facilitating their other business and making the Bitcoin network more robust, so it's worth it for them.
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So my understanding is they didn't have to dox him to give him that grant.
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But
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HRF grants
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and OpenSats grants,
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because they're tax deductible,
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you have to have them fill out a tax document because,
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otherwise,
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you could be getting tax deductible status and just basically taking the money yourself.
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So my concern is is
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is privacy developers or developers in general
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wanted needing the money so badly that they
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they essentially dox themselves,
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to the US government and to whatever
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501c3
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organizations.
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grants that are not tax deductible, and
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nothing is free. If you want to
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support
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privacy of devs.
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We also have, bitcoindev list.com
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Yep. Where you can donate directly to developers,
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with Bitcoin with no middleman.
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Awesome. And, also, what's really cool is,
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I don't know if you're aware, rock star, but
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when freaks,
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when Phreaks support dispatch, they also support a bunch of open source projects directly through the streaming stats on podcasting 2 point o.
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So, like, when they stream stats, also some go to,
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RaspiBlitz,
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Zeus,
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Robosets.
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I know I'm forgetting somebody.
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Robosets,
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Sparrow,
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and seed
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signer.
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Let's go. Pretty cool.
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No middle man.
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Yeah. So
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what do you wanna talk about, rock star? I got you next to you. Yeah.
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You have that great hashtag, no privacy, no freedom.
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no no freedom, no wealth.
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it's important not only for
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what we said about, like, security versus convenience. Right? Yeah.
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We it's it is important
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for structuring
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your
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daily interactions in such a way that they are sustainable.
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And as a developer,
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to me, that's so intuitive, and I think it's intuitive to
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all of good developers. It's like, when you're building a system,
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if you're making everything public,
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you just have a crazy mess where everything calls everything, nothing is structured,
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everything is mixed. It's it's just
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not a good system.
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And,
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you also look
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at the fact that,
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yeah, more wealth you have, the the better privacy you have in your life. You're just not forced
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to disclose information
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that you otherwise need to disclose. I mean, here in US, it's getting to crazy levels where, like, you you apply for job, you need to
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do background checks, Social Security just just to apply for job,
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while that doesn't apply to people that are in position of power. So,
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yeah,
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to me,
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it it is a prerequisite
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because, otherwise,
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if you
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are not able to build a system where
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privacy
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is
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respected and afforded to everyone,
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it will just be like a terrible system to live in.
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It's
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yeah. It's also like another process comes to mind. I don't know. Matt, have you ever coded?
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But you know how when you're developing application,
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you or, like, debugging applications, so you have access to all the internals of the app. But once app is
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done and you need to release it, you compile it and, you know, just make it into a package Right. That now you can't probe the internals of it. Like and you know, okay, have you built a good
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app? Have you built a good system? It works. You don't need to poke into every single Right. Line. You just, like, let it run and it does what it was supposed to.
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If if you have created a shitty app,
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that's where you need to, like, go, okay, now I'm gonna attach
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debugger.
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Now I'm going to ship application with all debugging information.
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So now my
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executable is bloated. My system is bloated. Like, it's logging a bunch of stuff. It's slow.
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It takes so much more time. And that's what I'm seeing really with with these
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systems is, like,
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government essentially issues some kind of regulation,
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and it's a regulation to ship executable with more debugging information, you know. Okay. Now everyone at the airport will need to Take your shoes off. Yeah. Scan your
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face. Yeah. Like
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and and it's like, okay, let's let's do it,
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but let's figure out a better way. Let's eliminate the bugs in code. I was like, no no no no no. You know, more logging, more debugging.
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So get a better programmer or
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yeah. So Well, I mean, we had
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548
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the Cypherpunk Manifesto.
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Yep. 1993.
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Yep.
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Privacy is not secrecy. It's the ability to selectively reveal yourself to the world,
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to choose what you want to be public
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with proper consent for it.
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And when I think about no privacy, no freedom,
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if you don't have privacy,
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then
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individuals,
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entities
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can control you
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by using information against you that you didn't want available to them.
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So that's why freedom requires privacy.
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And the reason I take the next step is mostly for
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the pure
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so called number go up big corners, which is you
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that wealth requires freedom because if you don't have freedom, it's not your wealth. It could just be taken away from you.
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So
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Yeah. Well,
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if if you don't have privacy,
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what happens is
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the system becomes stale. Like, those that are already wealthy are in much better position to stay wealthy. It's and
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it it's a system that leads into, like, decadence.
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It leads to stagnation
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because
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yeah. I mean, you look at at the world today, it is going in direction of
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public by default,
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and you see that it's
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just producing so much noise, so much unnecessary information
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that's not well structured, and it doesn't allow you to
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really
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as you said, like, I have that saying,
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you should control
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information. Information shouldn't control you.
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And it is getting to the point where
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people are just
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overwhelmed with information. It's it's a form of madness, information overload,
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and
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it it should be obvious
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to everyone in society that we just, like, can't keep going on like this
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in a sense that
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you can't keep triggering people through, like, mass media that is now yeah. This is like
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but at some point, it's all gonna my optimistic take has always been that everyone just
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gets burned so hard
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that we go back to the basics and people realize the need.
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Yeah. What
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also, like, I I come from like, different culture where it was much
598
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much more enforced in a sense that
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you shouldn't
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601
00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:34.955
disclose, like, stuff that's awkward or, you know, shameful about you and all that. So it is more towards private part privacy,
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you know,
603
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:37.619
minded
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setup. But
605
00:38:39.839 --> 00:38:45.140
what I've also learned is that you do need to let people make mistakes and fail in a sense.
606
00:38:46.005 --> 00:38:48.185
What you're saying maybe, like, burn themself.
607
00:38:49.845 --> 00:38:51.605
Sorry. I think that,
608
00:38:52.405 --> 00:38:56.920
what will happen for most people here is just, like, they will get better at filtering information.
609
00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.720
Like, if you want to live a normal life,
610
00:39:00.260 --> 00:39:08.665
hey, you will just get better at filtering information and news. You're gonna find better sources. Well, yeah. You will, like, structure your,
611
00:39:09.125 --> 00:39:12.585
life in such a way that you have higher level of privacy
612
00:39:13.190 --> 00:39:20.410
and that you're able to that allows you to live richer life, that allows you to live life where you're not controlled by information outside.
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614
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is for the last
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few decades or
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many decades,
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we've
618
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slowly as a society, particularly in the developed world, in America,
619
00:39:36.040 --> 00:39:37.020
and elsewhere,
620
00:39:38.505 --> 00:39:43.484
we seem to have been groomed as a society to be less and less responsible for our own actions.
621
00:39:44.025 --> 00:39:52.560
There's someone holding your hand. There's someone telling you what you cannot do. There's, you know, so called safety nets. There's all this stuff that that takes away
622
00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:55.840
the individual's personal responsibility.
623
00:39:56.785 --> 00:39:58.885
And getting back to that state
624
00:39:59.744 --> 00:40:03.525
is is is not gonna be an easy process, but, ultimately,
625
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tools like Bitcoin,
626
00:40:06.200 --> 00:40:08.060
tools in the greater open source movement,
627
00:40:09.640 --> 00:40:17.585
they require a a a radical personal responsibility, and for people, that's a massive, like, paradigm shift. Right?
628
00:40:18.444 --> 00:40:23.150
Yeah. And it comes with failures. It comes with failures. It comes with getting burned. It comes with
629
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learning hard lessons.
630
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631
00:40:28.415 --> 00:40:29.875
it's it's a path we
632
00:40:30.335 --> 00:40:32.195
should go down because, yeah,
633
00:40:32.815 --> 00:40:35.475
we're living in a nanny state. Look at that. Covid.
634
00:40:36.150 --> 00:40:37.849
Comments are lit right now. Yeah.
635
00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:38.690
Also,
636
00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:44.250
reading Braj with, like, people in Epstein's book seem to have pretty good privacy to Yeah. Because they're wealthy.
637
00:40:45.415 --> 00:40:46.315
638
00:40:47.495 --> 00:40:50.235
the the wealthy have privacy, and that doesn't mean
639
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that you not might not see them you might see them on the cover of Vogue,
640
00:40:54.930 --> 00:40:58.550
but they're selectively revealing themselves. Very selectively, like,
641
00:40:58.930 --> 00:41:03.830
creating a narrative. They don't have secrecy. A lot of them don't have secrecy. Some of them do,
642
00:41:06.845 --> 00:41:08.065
but they have privacy.
643
00:41:08.445 --> 00:41:11.425
And then when I look at the way, like, Bitcoin is unfolding,
644
00:41:12.810 --> 00:41:16.430
like, there's no doubt in my mind that the wealthy will have privacy.
645
00:41:16.890 --> 00:41:17.390
Yeah.
646
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What I'm concerned about is the other 95%.
647
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648
00:41:23.745 --> 00:41:26.565
Yeah. Yeah. I am concerned about the same thing. My
649
00:41:26.865 --> 00:41:29.605
my work in in Bitcoin ecosystem is
650
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the way,
651
00:41:32.650 --> 00:41:34.590
you know, table is set right now.
652
00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:37.870
We are going to towards cyberpunk.
653
00:41:38.325 --> 00:41:41.465
It is, like, high technology, low quality of living
654
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where, you know, you have a
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small percentage of population that managed to
656
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elevate themselves to that point where it's
657
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just
658
00:41:52.740 --> 00:41:55.560
some segments of population will never catch up.
659
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It it and,
660
00:41:57.895 --> 00:42:04.715
you know, I like high technology, but I don't like, low quality of living for majority of population because
661
00:42:06.109 --> 00:42:07.230
it's it's just
662
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663
00:42:14.474 --> 00:42:20.415
It is basically the it's it's the Bitcoin and open source movement. It's it's empowering individuals,
664
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665
00:42:23.890 --> 00:42:29.750
Yes. And that's where we now need to, you know, stake our claim and, you know, draw
666
00:42:31.165 --> 00:42:41.500
a line in the sand and then fight for it. Like, you know, this this whole old fact nonsense comes to Bitcoin like, okay. Let's let's figure out how to fight back.
667
00:42:42.600 --> 00:42:43.100
Otherwise,
668
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.260
even for those that that will be, like, fighting us,
669
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it's a worse
670
00:42:48.945 --> 00:42:49.445
future
671
00:42:50.065 --> 00:42:57.365
for most of them. Maybe there is, you know, someone on that other side of the fence that will be better off, that will profit individually.
672
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:03.740
But for majority of them that are against us, like, it's it's also worse outcome.
673
00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:08.105
Why why would you wanna live in in that kind of future?
674
00:43:12.505 --> 00:43:13.325
So so yeah.
675
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676
00:43:17.065 --> 00:43:17.645
you know,
677
00:43:17.980 --> 00:43:20.320
I I do this podcast and I
678
00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:25.200
do a lot of the other things I do in this space is because I I think
679
00:43:26.095 --> 00:43:32.195
the first and foremost reason is that people just aren't aware of a lot of this shit. They're just in
680
00:43:32.575 --> 00:43:34.515
this little ignorant bliss mode,
681
00:43:35.869 --> 00:43:41.549
682
00:43:42.645 --> 00:43:43.385
like, what's
683
00:43:44.165 --> 00:43:46.185
the what's the best way to fight?
684
00:43:46.725 --> 00:43:48.345
And it says, that's why I
685
00:43:49.365 --> 00:43:52.390
that's why I love you, Matt, because you rally the troops
686
00:43:52.789 --> 00:43:54.250
and provide actionable,
687
00:43:56.069 --> 00:43:57.609
did you say, actionable discussions?
688
00:43:58.150 --> 00:44:02.855
Like, how what's what's the next step? Like, your guides on how do you flash your phone
689
00:44:04.115 --> 00:44:05.974
with custom ROMs for Androids.
690
00:44:06.355 --> 00:44:12.369
How do you do this? Like, Because when you also look at my own contribution to Bitcoin ecosystem, it's not that
691
00:44:12.670 --> 00:44:22.135
I had everything figured out on my own. No. I've I've joined Nicholas, and Nicholas was that leader that said, hey. I have I have a mission. The mission is,
692
00:44:23.180 --> 00:44:26.400
obsolete BitPay because they publish bunch of lies.
693
00:44:27.339 --> 00:44:31.440
Hey. It's easier. Yeah. I'm gonna make you obsolete, and he did.
694
00:44:32.474 --> 00:44:48.470
He did. And but for me, like, looking at at my own thing is is, like, it was great that that I had a clear cause to join, and I didn't need to invent my own cause. So I think that's that's what's happening for most people, and I also see it
695
00:44:49.714 --> 00:44:54.855
I also now see it in in wider, like, career field. Like, I have a lot of
696
00:44:55.315 --> 00:44:58.450
younger developers reaching out and, you know,
697
00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:01.890
saying, okay. How how to best structure
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my own contributions
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00:45:04.029 --> 00:45:05.329
in in next decade?
700
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You know?
701
00:45:07.625 --> 00:45:13.565
And I am so glad for Bitcoin because it's such a rich ecosystem with so many quality developers
702
00:45:14.170 --> 00:45:15.790
and so many quality projects
703
00:45:16.570 --> 00:45:17.070
where
704
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people can
705
00:45:18.890 --> 00:45:20.510
spend really meaningful
706
00:45:21.455 --> 00:45:28.275
time the days. Like, they they they can have meaningful impact. It's not that you're working for Right. Baseless car corporation
707
00:45:28.815 --> 00:45:30.515
on their closed source
708
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:31.820
CRM
709
00:45:32.120 --> 00:45:32.620
number
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1,000,000, like, 50. You know? It's an extremely
711
00:45:36.520 --> 00:45:37.020
712
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:39.660
impactful developer community.
713
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.255
714
00:45:41.635 --> 00:45:44.775
it's fun being part of this movement, and and then
715
00:45:45.715 --> 00:45:47.575
thanks to, like, I'm telling you,
716
00:45:48.170 --> 00:45:49.870
diversity within the community.
717
00:45:50.170 --> 00:45:52.910
Like, anything that you're not specializing
718
00:45:53.210 --> 00:45:53.710
for,
719
00:45:54.490 --> 00:45:58.075
hey. There is someone that is, and you can follow their lead.
720
00:45:58.455 --> 00:45:59.195
Like, I
721
00:45:59.495 --> 00:46:06.289
I make a joke to, like, all the new podcasts they're starting is like, why are you doing that? That's just, you know,
722
00:46:07.069 --> 00:46:07.789
podcast and,
723
00:46:08.510 --> 00:46:12.130
the rest of us gonna rally under the banner. We're gonna do, like, small episodes.
724
00:46:12.910 --> 00:46:13.410
But
725
00:46:13.895 --> 00:46:21.675
that's also what's what's good. Like, okay. Try to fork and, you know, if your fork is better, like, okay. Let's go. I mean, it's good that I I think,
726
00:46:24.890 --> 00:46:29.710
727
00:46:30.434 --> 00:46:34.694
It's robust. It's vibrant. There's too much there's so much content out there you can't consume at all,
728
00:46:35.395 --> 00:46:37.174
but that's good. People have options.
729
00:46:37.714 --> 00:46:38.375
It's not,
730
00:46:40.580 --> 00:46:44.600
731
00:46:44.900 --> 00:46:52.625
732
00:46:54.125 --> 00:46:55.905
the growth has just been tremendous.
733
00:46:56.685 --> 00:46:57.185
734
00:46:57.779 --> 00:46:58.759
Yeah. I mean,
735
00:46:59.539 --> 00:47:00.920
I just hope it
736
00:47:01.220 --> 00:47:01.799
it continues.
737
00:47:02.180 --> 00:47:02.680
And,
738
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:08.025
Rico says, yeah, we're in silent war. We have been losing since Internet was created,
739
00:47:08.485 --> 00:47:13.785
740
00:47:14.165 --> 00:47:15.945
we quoted the cypherpunk manifesto,
741
00:47:16.990 --> 00:47:17.490
which
742
00:47:17.950 --> 00:47:19.090
was in 1993.
743
00:47:19.550 --> 00:47:20.050
Yep.
744
00:47:21.230 --> 00:47:22.610
So 19 years ago.
745
00:47:26.565 --> 00:47:29.384
Like, perfectly encapsulates everything we're dealing with,
746
00:47:30.085 --> 00:47:33.900
and what the mission forward should be. I mean, it's like the most pressured piece of
747
00:47:34.539 --> 00:47:35.440
fucking text
748
00:47:35.819 --> 00:47:36.319
ever,
749
00:47:36.859 --> 00:47:37.359
and,
750
00:47:38.059 --> 00:47:42.400
I I mean and so that came out of the crypto wars of the nineties.
751
00:47:44.375 --> 00:47:45.355
Do you think
752
00:47:47.815 --> 00:47:48.295
are there
753
00:47:49.255 --> 00:47:52.154
you know, what is the differences between then and now?
754
00:47:52.580 --> 00:47:53.960
I mean, you're an old timer.
755
00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:55.960
756
00:47:56.580 --> 00:47:57.080
757
00:47:58.180 --> 00:47:59.000
we outperformed
758
00:47:59.380 --> 00:48:02.945
in the last 19 years? Like, are we in a much better place
759
00:48:03.885 --> 00:48:07.185
than than, like, I don't know, like, 1993 rock star would consider
760
00:48:09.220 --> 00:48:14.280
where we could be in the future. Like, are we in a are we doing better than expected, worse than expected?
761
00:48:16.235 --> 00:48:16.975
762
00:48:17.515 --> 00:48:18.895
it's it's a good question,
763
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because
764
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what what I read, yeah, Cypherpunk's manifesto, and when I read
765
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:27.760
mold you know,
766
00:48:28.220 --> 00:48:29.200
like, all the
767
00:48:29.900 --> 00:48:32.160
contributions from Cypherpunks of old,
768
00:48:32.460 --> 00:48:33.119
it is
769
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:35.040
amazing that they had
770
00:48:35.595 --> 00:48:37.454
that type of foresight
771
00:48:39.355 --> 00:48:40.815
on what is coming up.
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00:48:41.275 --> 00:48:43.454
And it's, like, clearly described,
773
00:48:44.250 --> 00:48:46.990
like, why it is important that we,
774
00:48:47.450 --> 00:48:48.430
you know, fight
775
00:48:48.970 --> 00:48:50.350
this fight of decentralization.
776
00:48:52.625 --> 00:48:53.444
It's really
777
00:48:54.625 --> 00:48:56.005
super inspiring because,
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00:48:59.265 --> 00:48:59.765
the
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the prediction
780
00:49:01.300 --> 00:49:02.200
is is
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00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:03.640
amazing. So
782
00:49:04.180 --> 00:49:07.880
as to like what is it better? Is it not? I don't know. I
783
00:49:08.455 --> 00:49:15.915
I miss BBS. Doing good? Yeah. Like, I think we are. I mean, I do miss b you know, BBS. I I miss,
784
00:49:17.019 --> 00:49:18.720
you know, Earth Chats.
785
00:49:19.180 --> 00:49:21.119
I miss those, like but
786
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I don't know. We
787
00:49:25.365 --> 00:49:26.505
788
00:49:26.805 --> 00:49:28.425
789
00:49:30.725 --> 00:49:33.220
there is not so much gamification
790
00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:37.540
and there is no not not, you know, like, so much central control
791
00:49:38.080 --> 00:49:38.580
because,
792
00:49:39.359 --> 00:49:46.035
yeah, we can dislike Twitter as much as we want, but that's the place you go to, you know, discover,
793
00:49:47.214 --> 00:49:50.900
so that your content gets discovered, and it's a gamified system.
794
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:52.820
It's like a pretty evil
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796
00:50:00.925 --> 00:50:07.345
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00:50:07.940 --> 00:50:11.960
we, you know, moved forward a little bit. We moved backwards, but
798
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I I I think we're we are advancing. Now what's important is
799
00:50:17.715 --> 00:50:21.575
yeah. You have, like, TikTok. That that that one will be amazing
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battle is because
801
00:50:25.235 --> 00:50:26.535
you will now have
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00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.180
a social media giant that's outside of
803
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US. And First one.
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805
00:50:38.025 --> 00:50:38.525
806
00:50:38.825 --> 00:50:40.765
yeah, Telegram is a good one, but
807
00:50:41.545 --> 00:50:48.510
still, Telegram is controlled by someone who is not in Russia. Right? So the the guy needed to But he's not American.
808
00:50:49.370 --> 00:50:53.870
He's not American, but he needed to, like, leave Russia because his v contact
809
00:50:54.365 --> 00:50:54.805
got,
810
00:50:55.245 --> 00:50:58.145
811
00:50:58.605 --> 00:51:01.345
and, like, the government took it from him. Yeah. Amazing.
812
00:51:01.645 --> 00:51:05.980
Dhruv. But I, Dhirov, I one of my favorite
813
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.140
tinfoil theories is,
814
00:51:09.240 --> 00:51:11.900
it's a Russian operation, and that was just the
815
00:51:12.744 --> 00:51:13.404
the setup.
816
00:51:13.785 --> 00:51:18.924
817
00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:25.780
Yeah. Stay our agent. Well, maybe. I I don't know. I'm really torn on it because, like,
818
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:30.904
819
00:51:32.484 --> 00:51:37.144
but I think it's a very powerful platform, and I think he's done a lot of good things for users,
820
00:51:39.560 --> 00:51:41.100
like, very user friendly policies.
821
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:42.780
But,
822
00:51:43.720 --> 00:51:46.140
there's also, like, a good chance that he's a,
823
00:51:48.724 --> 00:52:01.700
824
00:52:02.160 --> 00:52:03.460
for you, Matt. So
825
00:52:03.855 --> 00:52:07.055
we will see. Yeah. But then Telegram. Okay? And,
826
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TikTok.
827
00:52:08.655 --> 00:52:08.974
I'm just
828
00:52:09.694 --> 00:52:14.500
to me, it's also, like, quite obvious that it's already used as a weapon in this as, like, TikTok.
829
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:16.580
830
00:52:17.680 --> 00:52:19.060
is mentioning Element,
831
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:21.780
which uses matrix protocol.
832
00:52:23.195 --> 00:52:27.855
It's saying it's super encrypted. It is encrypted. We actually have a matrix chat for dispatch.
833
00:52:28.555 --> 00:52:29.855
If you look on the screen,
834
00:52:30.410 --> 00:52:32.430
that's the other chat that's being shown.
835
00:52:32.810 --> 00:52:34.670
You can get to that by going to dispatch.com
836
00:52:35.290 --> 00:52:36.430
and clipping clicking,
837
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citadel dot chat.
838
00:52:39.665 --> 00:52:40.885
We have over a 1000
839
00:52:41.185 --> 00:52:44.405
a 1000 rider die freaks in there, and, the conversation
840
00:52:45.025 --> 00:52:47.365
is always going. It's always great conversation,
841
00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:48.980
even when,
842
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:50.740
the show is not live.
843
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:53.780
But, yeah, TikTok, I mean, is
844
00:52:55.734 --> 00:52:56.954
and it's it's frightening
845
00:52:57.255 --> 00:53:01.755
how, you know, well oiled that machine is on the TikTok side.
846
00:53:02.055 --> 00:53:05.760
Yeah. We talked here. Really good surveillance, really good manipulation
847
00:53:06.140 --> 00:53:08.960
on that front, really addicting, super addicting.
848
00:53:10.434 --> 00:53:12.934
849
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850
00:53:21.720 --> 00:53:28.415
at the video? Yeah. They like watch your facial reactions and listen to your microphone while you're watching videos so they can
851
00:53:29.055 --> 00:53:29.555
Optimize
852
00:53:29.855 --> 00:53:32.195
the algorithm. Yeah. So they can harvest that.
853
00:53:32.975 --> 00:53:33.795
Yeah. But
854
00:53:34.495 --> 00:53:43.710
the social media thing really scares the shit out of me. And, like, I know I have I know I'm a little bit of a hypocrite because of my Twitter usage, but Twitter is my only social media.
855
00:53:45.744 --> 00:53:48.405
When And I try and keep it Bitcoin focused.
856
00:53:49.184 --> 00:53:49.684
857
00:53:50.065 --> 00:53:52.165
I would so But Twitter is an addiction,
858
00:53:52.545 --> 00:53:54.165
859
00:53:56.089 --> 00:54:04.445
860
00:54:04.745 --> 00:54:06.685
861
00:54:07.305 --> 00:54:11.565
I don't know, man. Like, I I Marty wanted to make a fucking TikTok for
862
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:19.140
RHR, and I was I was, like, livid. There it was actually on air when I found out everyone can go watch the clip. It's in the archives.
863
00:54:20.355 --> 00:54:26.295
I don't even I was against even having an Instagram. Fuck that shit. And then the argument is always, like, oh,
864
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:28.940
you can reach more people.
865
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:34.860
866
00:54:35.455 --> 00:54:43.875
867
00:54:44.270 --> 00:54:48.770
PTC sessions or whatever. It's like a TikTok, Odell. TikTok sessions.
868
00:54:51.765 --> 00:54:59.625
Okay. Can't wait for for out I, like, reluctantly added the YouTube because the freaks like using the YouTube. So Convenience. Yeah.
869
00:55:00.724 --> 00:55:13.105
But TikTok or Dell. Yeah. Well It'd be hilarious if if there was I mean, I don't know because it's not a TikTok, so there might already be one. But if there was, like, a TikTok influencer that just, like, constantly just tells you to not use TikTok
870
00:55:14.445 --> 00:55:19.500
There we go. But, we're getting derailed a little bit. The social media stuff really scares the shit out of me,
871
00:55:20.460 --> 00:55:20.960
particularly,
872
00:55:22.460 --> 00:55:24.080
you know, I wanna have a family.
873
00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:26.720
Like, raising kids in this environment
874
00:55:29.205 --> 00:55:30.025
is tricky,
875
00:55:31.365 --> 00:55:31.865
and
876
00:55:32.245 --> 00:55:39.200
I wonder, like, the kind of damage that's gonna happen to the majority of our youth, not my children, but the majority of the youth,
877
00:55:40.940 --> 00:55:48.395
due to the influences of of all the social media shit. Yeah. I mean, we actually spoke about it on workshop yesterday
878
00:55:48.934 --> 00:55:52.635
879
00:55:53.310 --> 00:55:54.369
Okay. You know,
880
00:55:55.150 --> 00:55:58.050
like, information is destroying your own life and,
881
00:55:59.790 --> 00:56:03.484
keeping you occupied every day with, like, this shit, that
882
00:56:04.145 --> 00:56:04.645
shit.
883
00:56:05.305 --> 00:56:06.845
Okay. You can you can battle,
884
00:56:07.145 --> 00:56:07.805
you know.
885
00:56:09.065 --> 00:56:11.085
You hate yourself the most anyways.
886
00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:17.360
But what about people that are near and dear to you? You don't want them to go through the same thing.
887
00:56:17.660 --> 00:56:22.775
It's like you you don't want to live in a setup where your family,
888
00:56:24.035 --> 00:56:25.575
information from outside
889
00:56:26.010 --> 00:56:31.150
890
00:56:31.610 --> 00:56:32.110
What?
891
00:56:33.050 --> 00:56:34.350
Signal group chats
892
00:56:35.130 --> 00:56:35.625
Yeah.
893
00:56:36.025 --> 00:56:40.685
For family. Yep. And a lot of friends. I got a lot I got a lot of friends on that too.
894
00:56:41.065 --> 00:56:48.670
Yeah. But that's exactly what it's all about. It's a it's a good balance. Because I tell them, like, I know they wanna share baby pictures. I know they wanna share
895
00:56:49.210 --> 00:56:52.350
all these different photos and stuff. I'm like, do not post them on Facebook.
896
00:56:52.795 --> 00:56:58.095
Yeah. You can spam us in the signal chat. Yeah, exactly. But that's
897
00:56:59.195 --> 00:57:03.960
898
00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:06.280
from from Viber or
899
00:57:06.740 --> 00:57:17.415
stuff like that. Okay. Get get them on to signal, create groups for them. Use Viber. Yeah. They do, man. They do. It's it's just a convenience. Past on that one. Viber's like the walkie talkie one. Right?
900
00:57:18.035 --> 00:57:18.535
901
00:57:19.270 --> 00:57:21.609
I mean, it's It's primarily the voice
902
00:57:22.150 --> 00:57:27.985
903
00:57:28.365 --> 00:57:32.065
Listen, even that one is okay. At least like it's not Facebook messenger.
904
00:57:33.005 --> 00:57:41.220
You tell people like get out of, you know, that shit and you help them. Like, that's practical application where you say, okay. I set up a group for for you.
905
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:45.540
There is auto deleting messages. Okay. Let's go with baby pictures.
906
00:57:45.985 --> 00:57:46.485
But
907
00:57:46.865 --> 00:57:50.805
that baby would grow would grows up, like, we'll be so thankful that,
908
00:57:51.265 --> 00:57:54.600
okay, grandma has the picture, but it's not like Not
909
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.100
910
00:57:59.720 --> 00:58:02.700
911
00:58:03.984 --> 00:58:10.644
school, like your 5th or 6th grade, and, you know, like everyone has pictures of you being, like, for your baby. It's just
912
00:58:11.369 --> 00:58:18.830
crazy. It's that that's your information, that it's piece of you. Like, it shouldn't be under control of everyone.
913
00:58:19.690 --> 00:58:20.190
So
914
00:58:21.195 --> 00:58:21.935
so yeah.
915
00:58:22.795 --> 00:58:23.615
But you,
916
00:58:24.075 --> 00:58:28.335
yeah, you brought up a good point because If there's if there's someone out there
917
00:58:29.340 --> 00:58:29.840
918
00:58:30.380 --> 00:58:33.280
and watching this that's at Bitcoin Park right now,
919
00:58:33.980 --> 00:58:47.900
can you bring me a beer? A Pilsner would be great. That'd be fucking awesome. Yeah. That's You want something, rock star? No. I'm I'm good. But Rock star is good. See you. See how you're using the convenience, man, like a blasting the information
920
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:49.420
921
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:51.180
just for a beer.
922
00:58:52.440 --> 00:59:01.745
923
00:59:02.125 --> 00:59:03.260
924
00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:10.480
Hey. That's that's exactly illustrating our point, but that's I cut you off. What were we talking about? No. No. No.
925
00:59:11.415 --> 00:59:23.960
I was talking exactly about this, and we are now no. We are getting into signal groups, and we're getting into nibs. Signal groups. And we're getting into nibs, and there is a beer. Look at that. Thank you, sir.
926
00:59:24.340 --> 00:59:27.080
927
00:59:27.914 --> 00:59:29.615
928
00:59:30.154 --> 00:59:30.654
recorded
929
00:59:31.115 --> 00:59:31.615
forever.
930
00:59:32.954 --> 00:59:36.494
So whoever was to list it about names and code.
931
00:59:37.460 --> 00:59:37.960
932
00:59:38.900 --> 00:59:40.039
sats to the freak
933
00:59:42.019 --> 00:59:45.079
who figures out how much time that took between the
934
00:59:45.619 --> 00:59:47.000
the request and the delivery.
935
00:59:47.605 --> 00:59:48.745
936
00:59:49.285 --> 00:59:51.065
illustrating our points, but
937
00:59:51.685 --> 00:59:52.985
ready to go into nibs?
938
00:59:53.685 --> 00:59:54.185
Sure.
939
00:59:54.750 --> 00:59:55.250
So
940
00:59:56.430 --> 00:59:58.690
as I talked on the panel for me,
941
00:59:59.950 --> 01:00:04.325
everyone is talking about privacy as as that trade off security convenience.
942
01:00:04.945 --> 01:00:06.485
It is about robustness.
943
01:00:07.585 --> 01:00:09.685
And I have a system where
944
01:00:10.810 --> 01:00:14.750
for every identity you come up with, you need to have 3 NIMs.
945
01:00:16.010 --> 01:00:16.510
So
946
01:00:18.484 --> 01:00:22.265
your your listeners, I guess, freaks, they're they're good with that, but
947
01:00:22.565 --> 01:00:26.505
I always encourage people to at least, like, start with
948
01:00:27.460 --> 01:00:29.560
one name and test out
949
01:00:30.180 --> 01:00:33.640
how that works for them. We have a heavy name listener base.
950
01:00:34.095 --> 01:00:38.035
Yeah. But that's that's how it's supposed to be. I just think that
951
01:00:38.335 --> 01:00:40.515
people invest too much time
952
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:43.980
into building reputation like one name.
953
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.900
Like, you need to use names to explore
954
01:00:50.415 --> 01:00:54.675
things that you really want to explore without any breaks, without any,
955
01:00:56.175 --> 01:00:57.235
you know, reservations.
956
01:00:57.775 --> 01:00:58.915
Like, hey,
957
01:00:59.590 --> 01:01:02.570
You know, I really want to see how how, you
958
01:01:02.910 --> 01:01:03.410
know,
959
01:01:03.750 --> 01:01:06.090
I want to experience something. And
960
01:01:07.075 --> 01:01:18.220
that's where, like, I'm I'm really surprised. Like, I think I I always thought everyone had, like, a nim that's, like, sexy girl and invested time into it. Like, did you ever met had that nib?
961
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:25.484
Did what? A nib when you were a sexy girl. No. But I I do have a funny story with that,
962
01:01:26.345 --> 01:01:27.484
that someone who
963
01:01:27.944 --> 01:01:28.684
went to,
964
01:01:31.224 --> 01:01:32.505
965
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:33.619
Okay.
966
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.460
Someone from that from my same college I was currently enrolled
967
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:38.820
to my alma mater,
968
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:40.820
got interested in Bitcoin,
969
01:01:41.895 --> 01:01:45.835
saw that I was interested in Bitcoin, and, like, reached out to me
970
01:01:46.215 --> 01:01:47.595
to, like, get my advice
971
01:01:48.055 --> 01:01:50.155
on how he should approach his career.
972
01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:52.500
But to get my attention,
973
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.220
he DM'd me from his extremely large NIM account, which was like,
974
01:01:58.724 --> 01:02:02.744
like, classy white girl or something. He had, like, a 1000000 and a half followers.
975
01:02:03.045 --> 01:02:09.650
There we go. And his first message was like, I know this is weird, but I'm a dude, and I go to I go to blah blah school,
976
01:02:11.150 --> 01:02:13.410
977
01:02:13.790 --> 01:02:15.150
There we go. Like
978
01:02:16.005 --> 01:02:25.065
but, yeah, that but that's actually a big mistake. Like, oh, he felt so insecure that he will not respond, so he needed to use, like, his most powerful bib.
979
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:27.980
980
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:29.500
981
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:37.025
That's interesting. But to me, like, you need to explore that, and that builds builds,
982
01:02:38.125 --> 01:02:40.420
your root identity in a sense with
983
01:02:41.059 --> 01:02:44.760
knowledge and, like, better understanding interactions between people.
984
01:02:45.380 --> 01:02:47.000
Plus, yeah, if you have a million,
985
01:02:47.945 --> 01:02:48.445
1,500,000
986
01:02:49.065 --> 01:02:53.245
followers, I mean, you can start your cosmetics line. Like, that's that's an option.
987
01:02:54.585 --> 01:02:57.005
988
01:02:57.330 --> 01:03:01.170
989
01:03:02.050 --> 01:03:05.750
990
01:03:08.535 --> 01:03:12.555
I don't I'm obviously, like, on the nymph scale, that is more difficult
991
01:03:12.855 --> 01:03:14.395
going cross gender.
992
01:03:16.050 --> 01:03:19.589
Well Right. Like, isn't one of the easy tricks that I've always
993
01:03:22.025 --> 01:03:24.765
done with NIMS is you try and keep some,
994
01:03:26.025 --> 01:03:27.965
it's easier if there's some similarities.
995
01:03:30.790 --> 01:03:40.994
I don't know. I It's easier if there's some consistency, like a bedrock of truth that you can kind of go off of. And, like, there's no bedrock of truth if I was gonna pretend to be
996
01:03:41.454 --> 01:03:45.714
a woman on the Internet. Why why is it? Like, there is a feminine side
997
01:03:46.260 --> 01:03:53.880
view. Yeah. You should see the the face he's giving me as he says this. Yeah. That's why it's important to do him in person. Just he's looking me right in the eye as he says this.
998
01:03:54.260 --> 01:03:57.914
Yeah. I mean stop trying to seduce me on air.
999
01:03:58.775 --> 01:04:02.474
1000
01:04:03.130 --> 01:04:05.310
inside of you. And if if if it's not,
1001
01:04:05.610 --> 01:04:10.350
that nim would allow will allow you to develop it. Yes, James. Nim means
1002
01:04:11.664 --> 01:04:12.164
1003
01:04:14.145 --> 01:04:16.724
So like Braj or Rockstar Dev
1004
01:04:17.424 --> 01:04:20.565
or James potentially, if that's not your legal name.
1005
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:22.380
Yeah.
1006
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:26.140
Some people choose, like, real
1007
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:27.420
looking
1008
01:04:27.720 --> 01:04:30.994
nims, like John Smith or something like that.
1009
01:04:31.935 --> 01:04:33.155
And others choose
1010
01:04:37.029 --> 01:04:37.529
Rockstar.
1011
01:04:37.829 --> 01:04:40.009
Rockstar dev Yeah. With a 0.
1012
01:04:40.549 --> 01:04:41.289
1013
01:04:41.589 --> 01:04:43.450
just Rockstar dev wasn't
1014
01:04:43.829 --> 01:04:44.329
available.
1015
01:04:44.630 --> 01:04:46.569
There is the whole GTA thing.
1016
01:04:47.175 --> 01:04:47.494
So
1017
01:04:48.935 --> 01:04:50.315
yeah. But that's why
1018
01:04:50.615 --> 01:04:54.955
people think, oh, you need to make a choice. You you you don't. Like, create one name
1019
01:04:55.550 --> 01:04:56.030
with,
1020
01:04:56.830 --> 01:05:03.045
with name like Rockstar Dev. Create one with John Spit or Matt Hodele. It's a great name.
1021
01:05:03.525 --> 01:05:04.585
You know? So,
1022
01:05:06.565 --> 01:05:09.865
go for it and see how it will impact your
1023
01:05:10.300 --> 01:05:18.775
identity and reputation building it. We actually had that question. If I could do it all over again, would I choose, like Yeah. I asked you that. Would you choose
1024
01:05:19.635 --> 01:05:29.300
1025
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:33.860
Actually, board Rockstar Dev, but, no, I I wouldn't. I
1026
01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:34.960
I I think
1027
01:05:35.805 --> 01:05:36.705
You like the
1028
01:05:37.325 --> 01:05:39.745
the the flare of of of picking?
1029
01:05:40.845 --> 01:05:43.745
1030
01:05:44.339 --> 01:05:46.520
experience identity that has, like,
1031
01:05:49.220 --> 01:05:49.720
kinda
1032
01:05:50.020 --> 01:05:50.520
catchy,
1033
01:05:51.435 --> 01:05:52.655
you know, nape.
1034
01:05:53.195 --> 01:05:53.695
So
1035
01:05:54.555 --> 01:05:55.775
it allows me to
1036
01:05:56.795 --> 01:05:58.735
explore, be a rock star. Right?
1037
01:05:59.720 --> 01:06:00.780
Becoming 1.
1038
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:04.620
It is. No. It's it's really Can you play any instruments?
1039
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.984
Well, I'm not that type of a rock star. I'm like party rock star,
1040
01:06:10.444 --> 01:06:13.005
which is what what was experienced yesterday.
1041
01:06:13.405 --> 01:06:16.145
1042
01:06:19.450 --> 01:06:22.509
1043
01:06:22.890 --> 01:06:23.390
to
1044
01:06:23.690 --> 01:06:25.435
share some of the details. But
1045
01:06:25.995 --> 01:06:27.295
to me, yeah, it definitely
1046
01:06:28.795 --> 01:06:30.575
developed the rock star persona
1047
01:06:31.035 --> 01:06:34.255
inside of me. And, I mean, you even witnessed some media
1048
01:06:34.589 --> 01:06:35.410
in that direction
1049
01:06:35.950 --> 01:06:41.809
that we were talking about. It's like, yeah, pics and videos that I didn't even know were took, but,
1050
01:06:44.285 --> 01:06:47.404
you can be whatever you like. That's the thing. And,
1051
01:06:47.805 --> 01:06:56.370
you just need to commit to it, stick with it, and, you know, if it's not working out, okay, move on. If it's working out, you can keep doubling down
1052
01:06:56.910 --> 01:07:00.370
until you get to the point where it's obvious that
1053
01:07:01.305 --> 01:07:05.805
information is controlling you way more than you are controlling information, and then
1054
01:07:06.185 --> 01:07:09.630
it's time for funeral, and you move on. So I have a
1055
01:07:10.130 --> 01:07:10.630
1056
01:07:11.130 --> 01:07:11.630
for
1057
01:07:12.130 --> 01:07:12.630
you.
1058
01:07:13.290 --> 01:07:18.185
A week ago or something like that, I don't even know how to keep track of time anymore.
1059
01:07:18.805 --> 01:07:20.505
It all kinda just blends together.
1060
01:07:22.325 --> 01:07:24.345
CoinDesk released an article about
1061
01:07:25.490 --> 01:07:27.910
the shitcoin devs, these Solana devs.
1062
01:07:29.170 --> 01:07:31.350
There's 2 brothers that basically
1063
01:07:31.890 --> 01:07:36.815
operated, like, 14 NIMs or something like that, and we're running, you know, like,
1064
01:07:37.755 --> 01:07:44.700
a massive amount of the volume of of Solana was just these 2 brothers pretending to be, like, 14 projects.
1065
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:45.980
1066
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:47.180
1067
01:07:47.480 --> 01:08:00.414
they doxed the brothers in the article. They had the brothers, I guess, felt guilty at one point, and they wrote, like, a draft post doxing themselves, but they never published it. And then it got leaked to CoinDesk, and CoinDesk doxed them.
1068
01:08:04.650 --> 01:08:06.270
And I posted something
1069
01:08:06.890 --> 01:08:08.590
Yeah. Which I stand behind about
1070
01:08:09.075 --> 01:08:10.615
about doxing is
1071
01:08:10.994 --> 01:08:13.015
is not okay. You can't dox people.
1072
01:08:15.075 --> 01:08:19.260
If if you if you believe there's fraud, you can deal with a fraud case separately,
1073
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:25.260
1074
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:26.700
Yeah. You approached
1075
01:08:27.034 --> 01:08:27.534
that
1076
01:08:27.994 --> 01:08:31.215
problem from the perspective of, like, it's not
1077
01:08:31.594 --> 01:08:33.455
okay or moral to
1078
01:08:34.210 --> 01:08:38.710
to control someone else's information on, you know, on their behalf.
1079
01:08:39.570 --> 01:08:40.550
It's basically
1080
01:08:41.010 --> 01:08:41.810
that that's your
1081
01:08:42.685 --> 01:08:47.265
that's the lens through which you are looking the problem. But it is a situation where
1082
01:08:48.685 --> 01:08:52.125
things are already at the point where you can't have a
1083
01:08:53.170 --> 01:08:59.750
1084
01:09:00.130 --> 01:09:00.949
1085
01:09:01.250 --> 01:09:01.750
1086
01:09:02.065 --> 01:09:05.925
1087
01:09:07.185 --> 01:09:09.525
at state where there can be
1088
01:09:10.970 --> 01:09:12.750
a reasonable or quality outcome.
1089
01:09:13.690 --> 01:09:15.310
And it it more
1090
01:09:15.930 --> 01:09:18.910
the problem is earlier than that. The problem is
1091
01:09:19.455 --> 01:09:19.955
Solana
1092
01:09:20.895 --> 01:09:31.650
1093
01:09:33.070 --> 01:09:36.210
Yes. And then I would also say on but on the other end,
1094
01:09:36.945 --> 01:09:37.765
there is
1095
01:09:38.465 --> 01:09:43.925
it's definitely valid that, you know, those guys should assume that people are gonna try and dox them and
1096
01:09:44.305 --> 01:09:44.865
make it as
1097
01:09:45.679 --> 01:09:49.860
1098
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:52.739
draw out quality conclusions.
1099
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:54.420
It's it's just like
1100
01:09:55.565 --> 01:10:00.145
once you're at that point, is it okay? Like, CoinDesk is doing it for
1101
01:10:00.685 --> 01:10:04.890
clicks. Yeah. 100% for clicks. These people, like, okay. It's already
1102
01:10:05.910 --> 01:10:19.574
you you don't have unified outcome. You just have everyone scrambling for themselves and covering their asses. So what you need to do in situations like that is, like, start looking back in order to draw out, like, quality conclusions. Like, don't
1103
01:10:20.890 --> 01:10:21.790
once, yeah,
1104
01:10:22.650 --> 01:10:24.430
once you're already knee
1105
01:10:24.890 --> 01:10:29.675
deep deep and shit, like, you're not getting out of that situation, like, clean. So
1106
01:10:31.034 --> 01:10:32.974
so, yeah, should CoinDesk
1107
01:10:33.434 --> 01:10:40.260
1108
01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:44.580
protecting the public. You could release the whole article without putting their legal names on it.
1109
01:10:45.295 --> 01:10:46.435
1110
01:10:46.895 --> 01:10:52.675
hey, judgment called. They were like, oh, we they did bad to other people, so we are justified.
1111
01:10:53.860 --> 01:10:55.400
We want to hurt them.
1112
01:10:55.940 --> 01:10:58.920
And you're like, well, did you really need to do it? Like, yes. I did.
1113
01:10:59.539 --> 01:11:00.039
Okay.
1114
01:11:01.085 --> 01:11:04.625
What can I tell you? The really, the important thing is
1115
01:11:07.324 --> 01:11:08.145
don't get
1116
01:11:09.040 --> 01:11:13.700
into a situation to the point where it like, you're not controlling information.
1117
01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:17.860
1118
01:11:18.355 --> 01:11:18.935
hey. What's
1119
01:11:19.395 --> 01:11:20.935
your Responsibility to
1120
01:11:21.475 --> 01:11:25.415
1121
01:11:27.510 --> 01:11:28.889
We we can talk about
1122
01:11:29.989 --> 01:11:34.969
standards or how it should be approached, but, hey, you need to control your information. Otherwise,
1123
01:11:35.315 --> 01:11:44.775
you're leaving it up to other people to control it and and arrange it in such a way that benefits them, which is what you're talking about, is it? And
1124
01:11:45.320 --> 01:11:53.115
you're also talking about, like, what's more important is, like, it's not only your information, but the information of your family and people near and dear to you.
1125
01:11:53.595 --> 01:12:02.495
The the reason why you set up signal group for your, you know, people that are close to you is like, okay. Facebook can't have this information. Yeah.
1126
01:12:03.390 --> 01:12:07.310
1127
01:12:08.830 --> 01:12:12.370
like, if you have a circle, you're relying on the people in your circle to
1128
01:12:12.935 --> 01:12:15.195
make good prac good choices as well.
1129
01:12:15.655 --> 01:12:16.155
Yep.
1130
01:12:16.935 --> 01:12:23.180
1131
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.940
If if you are really in those situations,
1132
01:12:28.040 --> 01:12:29.020
it's like, hey.
1133
01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:32.375
You need to have multiple layers of identities
1134
01:12:33.155 --> 01:12:33.895
so that,
1135
01:12:34.835 --> 01:12:39.575
you just do not allow for those outcomes. You can have have a kill switch.
1136
01:12:39.890 --> 01:12:44.790
1137
01:12:45.409 --> 01:12:47.670
who created coin market cap lived?
1138
01:12:48.485 --> 01:12:54.105
No. I actually missed that one. It was pretty fucked up. It was, like, 4 years ago or something like that.
1139
01:12:54.645 --> 01:12:58.140
Well 3 years ago. He sold it to Binance since then.
1140
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:18.530
Well, if if you're that guy, it's like, well, I guess I'm moving. They literally took a picture of the building he lived in in New York and put it in the paper. That's yeah. That's, like, okay. I guess I'm moving because They were like, this man did a half a $1,000,000,000 revenue last year or whatever, and here's where he lives. Like, that was like the article. It was fucking insane.
1141
01:13:18.910 --> 01:13:22.210
1142
01:13:22.590 --> 01:13:24.655
for Open Society Digital Age.
1143
01:13:25.054 --> 01:13:27.315
Eric Hughes again. Yeah. 1993.
1144
01:13:27.775 --> 01:13:30.114
1993. It's it's like yeah.
1145
01:13:30.655 --> 01:13:32.355
It is. Because otherwise,
1146
01:13:32.950 --> 01:13:35.770
you will have situations like that where
1147
01:13:36.150 --> 01:13:36.890
it's just
1148
01:13:37.750 --> 01:13:40.570
nonsense. Like, you have all this media that has
1149
01:13:41.835 --> 01:13:45.695
amazing amount of power and can blast amazing amounts of information
1150
01:13:46.235 --> 01:13:49.135
in the direction of, you know, various people.
1151
01:13:51.619 --> 01:13:54.599
If you do not have privacy, how do you even
1152
01:13:54.980 --> 01:13:57.400
structure your life in such a way that,
1153
01:13:57.780 --> 01:13:59.960
you know, you can survive those blasts?
1154
01:14:01.365 --> 01:14:01.865
Right.
1155
01:14:02.485 --> 01:14:02.985
And
1156
01:14:03.525 --> 01:14:05.145
to me, like, I referenced
1157
01:14:05.925 --> 01:14:08.025
it, the workshop, like, last
1158
01:14:08.965 --> 01:14:11.949
70 years ago. 70 years here in US
1159
01:14:12.250 --> 01:14:13.710
where you had mass,
1160
01:14:14.250 --> 01:14:16.190
media, like, mainstream media,
1161
01:14:16.890 --> 01:14:17.390
blast
1162
01:14:17.905 --> 01:14:18.405
crazy
1163
01:14:18.784 --> 01:14:21.605
types of information in the direction of people, like,
1164
01:14:21.985 --> 01:14:23.445
expressing their own frustrations.
1165
01:14:24.145 --> 01:14:36.875
And as a result, like, tears so many families apart on, like, trivial issues really when when you scratch the surface. And it's like, oh, it's not trivial. Like, yes, it is from perspective of that family. Right. It's like they were living their life,
1166
01:14:37.255 --> 01:14:38.715
and you just, like, took this
1167
01:14:40.135 --> 01:14:43.355
crazy information, just, like, blasted it in their direction,
1168
01:14:43.850 --> 01:14:45.949
like, separating them. And then it's
1169
01:14:46.250 --> 01:14:49.070
really getting to the point where it's everyday decisions.
1170
01:14:49.449 --> 01:14:55.255
It's like, honey, we should buy Alexa. It's like, no, no, no, like we can't. Like, no, no, no, we need to buy Alexa,
1171
01:14:56.115 --> 01:15:00.695
and you suddenly have a conversation that needs to. Your lady bought Alexa?
1172
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:03.099
1173
01:15:03.480 --> 01:15:05.179
1174
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:06.780
I yeah.
1175
01:15:07.320 --> 01:15:07.820
But,
1176
01:15:08.495 --> 01:15:11.875
yeah, that's that's also the point is like Fucking Alexis, man.
1177
01:15:12.255 --> 01:15:12.755
1178
01:15:13.135 --> 01:15:17.715
1179
01:15:18.620 --> 01:15:25.280
No. My favorite one is with Alexa is is when you go to like I had I had this situation like in 1 household
1180
01:15:25.820 --> 01:15:26.595
where like
1181
01:15:27.075 --> 01:15:33.015
child started crying, like, was upset, didn't get candy, and it was like Alexa was like, hey. How can I help?
1182
01:15:33.315 --> 01:15:45.575
You know? Like, do you need do you need 911? He's like, what's going on? I was like, okay. Now you need to explain to Alexa, like, what is happening. So It's just amazing that we're in a world where, like, people just install wiretaps in their house for convenience.
1183
01:15:46.275 --> 01:15:55.920
1184
01:15:56.220 --> 01:15:56.720
1185
01:15:58.060 --> 01:16:02.795
now you have another point through which you need you need to feed information.
1186
01:16:03.175 --> 01:16:05.675
Like, now you need to explain to your Alexa,
1187
01:16:06.055 --> 01:16:08.475
like, why why there was a kid crying.
1188
01:16:09.290 --> 01:16:17.230
With government going in the file. Yeah. That's going in the file. I know, like, government needs to process it. Like, why The really bad one recently
1189
01:16:17.610 --> 01:16:18.110
1190
01:16:18.525 --> 01:16:23.265
because, like, look. If people want to just put if people wanna put wire taps in their house,
1191
01:16:24.925 --> 01:16:26.865
I'm not gonna go into their house.
1192
01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:30.740
So A good one with that. It doesn't affect me as much.
1193
01:16:31.280 --> 01:16:32.660
But the Ring cameras
1194
01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:45.205
that people are putting, the Amazon surveillance cameras on their front door. So convenient. And you're walking down the street, and you walk past, like, 10 of them on your, like, morning walk or something. Yeah. You're captured.
1195
01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:49.300
It's it's so fucked, and they spread so quickly. They're everywhere.
1196
01:16:50.159 --> 01:17:05.080
They gave they gave there was 11 times this year. It just came out 11 times this year. They gave footage to police without warrants because you're not protected by the 4th Amendment because Amazon has possession of the video. It's not your video. It's Amazon's.
1197
01:17:05.700 --> 01:17:07.719
So it's not warrantless search and seizure.
1198
01:17:08.020 --> 01:17:11.115
1199
01:17:12.135 --> 01:17:23.440
software and provide a stack where people are hosting. You know? Like, okay. I'm hosting my own videos. I'm in control. So it is protected under 4. It's funny because that's how all the video cameras used to work.
1200
01:17:23.980 --> 01:17:25.520
1201
01:17:26.545 --> 01:17:30.485
a server on on premise that that would hold all the video.
1202
01:17:31.185 --> 01:17:37.570
1203
01:17:38.030 --> 01:17:49.665
and if you see, like, even people like to say got docs by Casa today. Oh, did you see the Casa docs today? Yeah. It's and it's terrible because okay. It's, like bad. It was a pain. Means addresses.
1204
01:17:51.250 --> 01:17:52.310
Hey. It's
1205
01:17:53.410 --> 01:17:55.910
it's how it is, and you have all these regulations
1206
01:17:56.370 --> 01:17:58.530
that that are like, oh, you should
1207
01:17:59.725 --> 01:18:05.585
like, in their case, was it EVA? Like, were they required to to send that, or they were just It was using it as a hardback?
1208
01:18:05.965 --> 01:18:11.929
1209
01:18:12.230 --> 01:18:14.570
all of their users. It was anyone who bought
1210
01:18:15.065 --> 01:18:16.445
items on their store.
1211
01:18:17.785 --> 01:18:21.885
And they used a 3rd part third party payment processor,
1212
01:18:22.290 --> 01:18:22.790
and
1213
01:18:24.210 --> 01:18:26.550
as a result, that 3rd party payment processor,
1214
01:18:27.090 --> 01:18:27.910
got compromised.
1215
01:18:29.570 --> 01:18:30.070
Well,
1216
01:18:30.745 --> 01:18:32.585
that's that's how it goes. I
1217
01:18:33.225 --> 01:18:39.405
What was the list? The list is crazy. Names, emails, phone numbers, shipping and billing addresses, and products ordered.
1218
01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:47.940
1219
01:18:49.744 --> 01:18:54.165
And, again, Cypherpunk's manifesto where it's like, if I if I wanna buy a magazine,
1220
01:18:54.864 --> 01:18:56.244
I will give you a,
1221
01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:03.820
you know, cash and give me back magazine. Like, you don't need to know everything about my history to, like, complete this transaction.
1222
01:19:04.120 --> 01:19:05.900
And once transaction is completed,
1223
01:19:06.235 --> 01:19:10.335
like, that piece of information needs to okay. It's, like, 1 month
1224
01:19:11.034 --> 01:19:12.175
and delete it.
1225
01:19:12.715 --> 01:19:14.974
Because if we do not
1226
01:19:15.540 --> 01:19:18.280
really come together and build systems like that,
1227
01:19:20.659 --> 01:19:31.045
it will be chaos. It's it's a society in which, like, yeah, you don't wanna live because what you're mentioning with ring cameras, it is funny. Like, someone gets access to all those videos, like,
1228
01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:34.380
in real time, which is quite possible.
1229
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:41.825
You can identify exactly, hey. This person is here. This person is there. Yeah. So, I mean, there was like this there was,
1230
01:19:42.605 --> 01:19:46.865
1231
01:19:47.170 --> 01:19:51.590
a very common saying or meme, which is, you know, data is the new oil,
1232
01:19:52.210 --> 01:19:56.975
because all these different companies basically monetize data. This it was like the this new web
1233
01:19:57.515 --> 01:20:00.255
business model, which was surveil your users,
1234
01:20:01.995 --> 01:20:10.320
get us collect as much data on them as possible, and then use that data to monetize the users and manipulate them to increase our revenue even more.
1235
01:20:12.025 --> 01:20:18.445
But the way I've always looked at data is that it's this massive liability, and we have Raj saying that in the comments,
1236
01:20:20.320 --> 01:20:24.739
where it's it's the opposite of oil. Oil is a profitable thing that you have.
1237
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:32.985
To me, data is almost toxic as a company. You wanna have as little data as possible on your users because it makes
1238
01:20:34.965 --> 01:20:41.239
it makes it more secure for everybody, and it reduces your own legal liability in that situation or moral liability.
1239
01:20:41.619 --> 01:20:42.520
And I wonder
1240
01:20:43.780 --> 01:20:49.114
if we will see a pivot there, if we will see a situation where because we already see it in the
1241
01:20:50.935 --> 01:20:53.594
we see it a lot in the Bitcoin ecosystem where
1242
01:20:54.300 --> 01:20:58.000
projects try and limit the amount of data they have on their users intentionally.
1243
01:20:59.660 --> 01:21:02.000
You don't really see it as much in the wider
1244
01:21:02.965 --> 01:21:09.205
world, but to sometimes, you see it. Yeah. Like, Signal, I think Signal would be a good example. Right? Signal has
1245
01:21:10.370 --> 01:21:11.030
it tries
1246
01:21:11.730 --> 01:21:14.389
to hold as little data as possible on their users.
1247
01:21:15.250 --> 01:21:16.389
Yeah. And
1248
01:21:16.929 --> 01:21:19.565
1249
01:21:20.185 --> 01:21:22.365
how much information you can control
1250
01:21:23.145 --> 01:21:25.645
because information wants to be free.
1251
01:21:26.300 --> 01:21:26.800
And
1252
01:21:27.580 --> 01:21:28.480
if you
1253
01:21:29.900 --> 01:21:30.480
you try
1254
01:21:31.740 --> 01:21:37.195
to keep information contained in such a way to, like, facilitate a robust system.
1255
01:21:37.735 --> 01:21:38.875
But if you
1256
01:21:39.895 --> 01:21:43.435
throw too much information at the system and get to the point where
1257
01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:45.300
information can be processed.
1258
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:47.699
Like, that's where all the problems are happening.
1259
01:21:48.160 --> 01:21:49.219
And I am glad
1260
01:21:50.400 --> 01:21:50.900
that
1261
01:21:51.875 --> 01:21:56.775
there is, yeah, that moment, the realization of, like, we actually don't want to hold
1262
01:21:57.395 --> 01:22:08.120
the user's information, which is also the decision in BTC based server project. It's like you saw a privacy policy of, BTC based server. Was it just Doria's face?
1263
01:22:09.060 --> 01:22:20.050
Yeah. Kinda. It's like, yeah. That's like the 404. Right? Or whatever. Yeah. It's 404, but privacy policy, like, we don't collect that information by. Like, that that's the privacy policy. Seen that. So
1264
01:22:20.830 --> 01:22:21.330
that's
1265
01:22:22.670 --> 01:22:32.445
and the thing is also That's beautiful. It is, but that's as a developer you want to contribute to, like, system like that. You don't want to be
1266
01:22:32.824 --> 01:22:35.324
contributing to a system where, like, okay,
1267
01:22:35.864 --> 01:22:45.080
1268
01:22:45.699 --> 01:22:45.780
1269
01:22:47.035 --> 01:22:47.535
yeah.
1270
01:22:48.155 --> 01:22:54.015
Let's not even get into the subject, like, how much more time we have or it will be, like, 4 hour episode.
1271
01:22:54.500 --> 01:23:05.915
But my point there is what? I said we've done it before. Yeah. But my point there is, this is also where our discussion about nibs is is so important. It's because,
1272
01:23:07.815 --> 01:23:21.934
hey, that root identity of yours that you, like okay. You you you don't you don't wanna change it. Like, okay. You don't wanna change name. You can change address, but, okay, you don't wanna change name. Hey. Don't use that identity for anything.
1273
01:23:23.034 --> 01:23:23.695
Like, just
1274
01:23:24.554 --> 01:23:25.614
just take,
1275
01:23:26.235 --> 01:23:27.054
at least
1276
01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:34.100
an effort to come up with different first name, last name if you're still ordering to that mailing address.
1277
01:23:35.795 --> 01:23:36.295
And
1278
01:23:36.755 --> 01:23:42.435
then you will at least have that level of disconnect. Like, okay, it's it's not tied to,
1279
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:46.740
your other information. It won't be as easy to tie.
1280
01:23:47.120 --> 01:23:47.620
Or,
1281
01:23:48.480 --> 01:23:52.180
can get traveling mailbox, like, get get those forwarding services,
1282
01:23:52.655 --> 01:23:54.035
especially if you're ordering
1283
01:23:54.575 --> 01:23:56.515
something that's related to,
1284
01:23:57.055 --> 01:23:59.875
you know, in this case, like, money, Bitcoin.
1285
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:01.800
Because if you don't
1286
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:04.140
yeah.
1287
01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:09.020
It it it is a it is a problem that's that's festering. And then also
1288
01:24:09.335 --> 01:24:15.035
companies in this space, like, there are, like, companies in bit Bitcoin space, like, okay. Let's
1289
01:24:15.415 --> 01:24:17.995
let's make an effort to go towards
1290
01:24:19.309 --> 01:24:20.289
deletion of data.
1291
01:24:21.630 --> 01:24:24.369
Like, did you really need to have that data
1292
01:24:24.909 --> 01:24:27.329
on the service for a year?
1293
01:24:28.465 --> 01:24:28.965
1294
01:24:29.425 --> 01:24:33.284
So let's That's what we see. I mean, NVK does that with CoinKite.
1295
01:24:33.585 --> 01:24:36.885
Yeah. Amazing. They do auto deletes, I think, 90 days.
1296
01:24:37.659 --> 01:24:39.360
1297
01:24:40.219 --> 01:24:46.000
1298
01:24:46.985 --> 01:24:49.405
I mean, Swan got hit this week as well.
1299
01:24:49.865 --> 01:24:50.365
Cool.
1300
01:24:51.145 --> 01:24:55.085
It was the second time Swan has gotten hit in a couple months, I think.
1301
01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:58.580
Unchained had been hit previously.
1302
01:25:00.160 --> 01:25:03.700
A lot of the crypto services. BlockFi got hit really hard.
1303
01:25:04.725 --> 01:25:05.225
1304
01:25:06.125 --> 01:25:06.625
So
1305
01:25:07.925 --> 01:25:15.140
1306
01:25:16.080 --> 01:25:22.020
reduce the amount of time you hold it for to the bare minimum, sometimes regulations and stuff require you to hold things,
1307
01:25:23.474 --> 01:25:30.614
But then the third thing is reduce your reliance on trusted third parties as an organization. So, like, everyone in Bitcoin pretty much
1308
01:25:31.430 --> 01:25:37.210
coalesces around, you know, Nick Szabo and and trusted trusted third parties or security holes,
1309
01:25:38.695 --> 01:25:49.840
but there's there's, like, a disconnect there as soon as you get to the company because then the companies all are using their own trusted third parties. So not only are you trusting the company, but then you're trusting it's like a Russian doll thing.
1310
01:25:50.940 --> 01:26:03.494
There's trusted third parties all the way fucking down. Yeah, because regulation requires it. There are companies that specialize. But there's some there's some there's some businesses where it doesn't. So, like, Ledger's third party marketing
1311
01:26:04.429 --> 01:26:10.050
email service, whatever, got compromised, and that's how the 1000000 Ledger users got docs. Yeah.
1312
01:26:11.205 --> 01:26:17.065
There was no regulation that required them to use that trusted third party. NVK does all of his marketing in house.
1313
01:26:17.605 --> 01:26:20.425
Right? It was just treated with a lack of regard.
1314
01:26:22.010 --> 01:26:27.790
1315
01:26:28.945 --> 01:26:30.485
it allows you to get ahead.
1316
01:26:30.945 --> 01:26:42.170
Because you're using that service, and now you don't need to actually spend time building robust service. But it's all trade off, so cost benefit. But it goes back to what we are talking about NIMS. Is it
1317
01:26:42.810 --> 01:26:45.150
would it be great that others
1318
01:26:45.635 --> 01:26:47.255
treat your information
1319
01:26:47.875 --> 01:26:56.340
and, you know, your identity with respect? Like, yes, it is. But at the end of the day, it's like it's it's up to you. And it's
1320
01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:57.940
positioning yourself,
1321
01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:02.500
and putting yourself in situation where, okay,
1322
01:27:03.065 --> 01:27:03.965
something happens,
1323
01:27:04.265 --> 01:27:05.485
it's not catastrophic
1324
01:27:05.785 --> 01:27:07.325
loss. It's basically,
1325
01:27:08.745 --> 01:27:09.920
yeah, what can you do?
1326
01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:14.820
So that's like, I'm telling you, this this whole thing also with Rockstar,
1327
01:27:17.120 --> 01:27:18.900
I I don't need to die tomorrow,
1328
01:27:19.594 --> 01:27:20.094
but
1329
01:27:20.554 --> 01:27:23.135
my identity and and my, you know,
1330
01:27:23.435 --> 01:27:33.590
the way that I structure interactions with the world, Like, it will be much better if I die tomorrow than in, like, 2 years. What do you aim to get out of ending the SNIM?
1331
01:27:35.655 --> 01:27:39.515
Control of information. Like, Rockstar persona is already
1332
01:27:39.895 --> 01:27:41.195
at the point where
1333
01:27:41.740 --> 01:27:45.120
so much stuff is happening that's, you know, beyond my control.
1334
01:27:45.580 --> 01:27:51.200
And it's not obvious because it didn't bubble up to the level of, you know, public discourse.
1335
01:27:51.835 --> 01:27:54.815
But, you know, like, DMs that I'm getting, like,
1336
01:27:55.995 --> 01:27:59.114
pictures of me, that type of stuff is it's just like
1337
01:27:59.829 --> 01:28:03.050
Time for a fresh start. It is time for a fresh start, and
1338
01:28:03.829 --> 01:28:07.929
it's it's it's also like, I'm telling you, it's it's good to have those closures,
1339
01:28:08.825 --> 01:28:09.325
because
1340
01:28:10.025 --> 01:28:12.525
Rockstar persona takes a lot of time.
1341
01:28:12.825 --> 01:28:18.900
1342
01:28:20.240 --> 01:28:20.740
just
1343
01:28:22.320 --> 01:28:23.460
if you just stopped
1344
01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:27.380
interacting with the world from the rock star identity
1345
01:28:27.985 --> 01:28:29.605
and cycle to a new identity
1346
01:28:30.545 --> 01:28:31.204
and didn't,
1347
01:28:31.744 --> 01:28:32.405
you know,
1348
01:28:33.264 --> 01:28:34.324
host a funeral
1349
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:35.420
at
1350
01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:37.020
publicly
1351
01:28:38.440 --> 01:28:44.140
and talk about it publicly, it would have been an ease it'd it'd be easier to do it. Right? Like, you're definitely,
1352
01:28:45.385 --> 01:28:48.844
1353
01:28:49.145 --> 01:28:50.204
a public thing?
1354
01:28:50.585 --> 01:28:53.164
Inspire others. Like give a blueprint.
1355
01:28:54.110 --> 01:28:58.370
Get people thinking about, hey, you know, can do the same.
1356
01:28:59.310 --> 01:29:02.449
Like, experience it as well. I mean, I,
1357
01:29:03.605 --> 01:29:10.344
yeah, you could, like, have just, like I could just stop responding to your messages and, like, what happened? Right? Yeah. But
1358
01:29:10.804 --> 01:29:11.304
it's
1359
01:29:11.700 --> 01:29:14.360
it's nice to have this kind of closure,
1360
01:29:15.220 --> 01:29:20.440
right, with with you joining tomorrow and, like, Rivera and Zuko and
1361
01:29:20.900 --> 01:29:21.400
see,
1362
01:29:22.565 --> 01:29:24.665
there is a reason why funerals exist.
1363
01:29:25.605 --> 01:29:34.080
So to me, it's it's also yeah. It's it's that closure, and it's it is okay. There there is a selfish component as well, like me experiencing that.
1364
01:29:34.700 --> 01:29:39.565
So when time comes for my root identity, I will be better prepared. Right?
1365
01:29:40.605 --> 01:29:44.465
1366
01:29:44.844 --> 01:29:47.745
1367
01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:59.455
1368
01:30:00.075 --> 01:30:01.455
It seems like it's unfair.
1369
01:30:04.475 --> 01:30:08.920
Why? We like, we have this see this producer's closet here? It's completely soundproof.
1370
01:30:09.380 --> 01:30:13.880
Like, not only can you not hear anything outside, but, like, no one would even hear you scream in there.
1371
01:30:14.635 --> 01:30:18.895
1372
01:30:19.675 --> 01:30:22.815
1373
01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:26.659
And, I mean, you didn't know who Rockstar was because you were just born
1374
01:30:27.280 --> 01:30:27.780
tomorrow.
1375
01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:30.500
So, like, you didn't miss anything.
1376
01:30:30.985 --> 01:30:39.645
You just fucking died. So I'm I'm not, like, even listening to the funeral as it's time. No. You can never listen to it. No one's ever able to listen to their own funeral.
1377
01:30:41.370 --> 01:30:44.030
1378
01:30:45.130 --> 01:30:49.455
Or or eulogy, like, absolutely sucks, so you don't want to hear it.
1379
01:30:49.775 --> 01:30:54.515
1380
01:30:54.895 --> 01:30:55.395
1381
01:30:56.015 --> 01:30:56.515
Well,
1382
01:30:57.230 --> 01:30:59.730
sorry, Matt. You gotta do this for me. And, well,
1383
01:31:00.190 --> 01:31:08.695
I could you could just roast him, Rico is saying. Well, that's why Zuko is there. Like, if anyone can roast other people, it's him. It is nice that that it's
1384
01:31:10.135 --> 01:31:13.835
1385
01:31:14.180 --> 01:31:15.560
at their funeral, but,
1386
01:31:16.500 --> 01:31:23.505
1387
01:31:23.965 --> 01:31:26.545
of crazy moment as you can. Like,
1388
01:31:26.925 --> 01:31:29.505
you you and I like those moments that
1389
01:31:30.130 --> 01:31:33.270
you remember. Like, okay. Yeah. We'll talk about them.
1390
01:31:34.130 --> 01:31:41.655
Then with Zuko oh, fuck. With Zuko, actually, I'm not sure he can share some of the moments, like, some of the best moments because,
1391
01:31:42.995 --> 01:31:46.775
yeah, they were tricky. But, Lavera, oh, same thing.
1392
01:31:47.130 --> 01:31:52.909
But Lavera's gonna sing? Yeah. He will. I mean, you you heard it today. Like, it's pretty good. Right?
1393
01:31:55.985 --> 01:31:59.445
Why are you laughing? It was pretty good. It was it was pretty good. Yes.
1394
01:31:59.905 --> 01:32:02.565
And, you know, like, look at the fact that
1395
01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:08.100
you're like, oh, you're doing this funeral funeral. Like, what's the point? Now with Rivera,
1396
01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:15.275
listeners of of dispatch can know, like, he will sing American Funeral American Funeral, American Anthem.
1397
01:32:15.975 --> 01:32:19.880
So imagine the gift to the world was spangled banner. Yeah. Like,
1398
01:32:20.679 --> 01:32:25.100
how how Rivera said it. He's like You know, we don't, like, do that at funerals. Right?
1399
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:34.225
1400
01:32:34.765 --> 01:32:35.265
1401
01:32:35.725 --> 01:32:37.985
I would I like yeah. I will be, like,
1402
01:32:38.330 --> 01:32:42.110
even press f to pay respect. That will be the the whole deal.
1403
01:32:42.570 --> 01:32:45.790
But now with Rivera, he said it well. Like, so he's,
1404
01:32:48.065 --> 01:32:51.605
yeah, whatever. That bold, shiny head singing. Oh my god.
1405
01:32:52.305 --> 01:32:59.970
See? Like, it's already becoming a meme. Probably just, like, blindly read you just, like, blindly read the comment. Hey. I needed to read this comment,
1406
01:33:00.350 --> 01:33:01.730
but it's not boldy,
1407
01:33:02.270 --> 01:33:06.465
bold, shiny head. It's absolutely polished podcast. Like,
1408
01:33:06.845 --> 01:33:07.665
we love
1409
01:33:07.965 --> 01:33:10.545
the Aussies. We love Lavera. So
1410
01:33:11.390 --> 01:33:16.770
grateful for that. Yeah. It'd be a good time. I mean, we have we have a lot of people come in just for it, which is cool.
1411
01:33:17.550 --> 01:33:19.090
It is. And, again,
1412
01:33:20.055 --> 01:33:26.475
1413
01:33:27.255 --> 01:33:32.610
1414
01:33:33.310 --> 01:33:35.070
I would be happy. And,
1415
01:33:35.470 --> 01:33:42.495
then we can start iterating on nibs. And Gigi also tweeted well, like, 1 dies, 21 rise.
1416
01:33:42.955 --> 01:33:44.335
You know? When
1417
01:33:44.990 --> 01:33:53.810
the rock star is dead and there is, like, a need to contribute more in the space, like, some other developers are gonna step up. I know it. So
1418
01:33:54.785 --> 01:33:56.325
need to free up the space.
1419
01:34:00.065 --> 01:34:03.125
1420
01:34:04.100 --> 01:34:07.960
1421
01:34:10.500 --> 01:34:17.465
1422
01:34:17.925 --> 01:34:18.425
1423
01:34:19.420 --> 01:34:19.920
I,
1424
01:34:20.460 --> 01:34:25.280
if I'm ever public on another identity, it will need to be a voice
1425
01:34:25.900 --> 01:34:27.120
synthesis because
1426
01:34:27.915 --> 01:34:30.495
I kept telling you, may maybe it's my professional
1427
01:34:31.795 --> 01:34:32.574
the the deformity,
1428
01:34:33.435 --> 01:34:33.935
but
1429
01:34:34.795 --> 01:34:36.014
I I love
1430
01:34:37.369 --> 01:34:38.909
well structured systems
1431
01:34:39.210 --> 01:34:40.590
as as, like, engineer.
1432
01:34:41.210 --> 01:34:41.710
And
1433
01:34:42.329 --> 01:34:42.829
I
1434
01:34:43.290 --> 01:34:44.989
I really want to, like,
1435
01:34:46.015 --> 01:34:48.275
stop the spillover, and I want to
1436
01:34:48.735 --> 01:34:54.355
wrap up Rockstar identity and, like, okay. It's closure because every idiot can start a thing.
1437
01:34:55.040 --> 01:34:57.460
It's hard to, like, finish a thing. So
1438
01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:02.740
so, yeah, if if there is a public identity, I definitely need to do voice synthesis.
1439
01:35:04.815 --> 01:35:05.955
I'm ready for,
1440
01:35:07.535 --> 01:35:16.660
online podcasts, so you like most people saw my setup, usual, with Right. Body burning into the background, and you have voice instances easily.
1441
01:35:17.200 --> 01:35:21.665
But for this, like, in person setups, I kinda need to figure something out.
1442
01:35:24.545 --> 01:35:26.065
1443
01:35:26.945 --> 01:35:31.445
like, I have this mixer that I'm looking at right here. It's gotta be something you can do with it.
1444
01:35:32.460 --> 01:35:38.960
Well, first, yeah, let me die. Rest in peace a little bit. Figure it out. First, we have to make the funeral happen.
1445
01:35:39.675 --> 01:35:40.495
We will.
1446
01:35:40.795 --> 01:35:42.715
1447
01:35:43.275 --> 01:35:47.775
1448
01:35:50.490 --> 01:35:53.550
1449
01:35:54.090 --> 01:35:54.590
Yeah.
1450
01:35:55.450 --> 01:35:58.405
Being, how how did you call it last one? Therapy.
1451
01:35:58.865 --> 01:36:14.575
1452
01:36:15.035 --> 01:36:15.535
Yeah.
1453
01:36:16.795 --> 01:36:19.055
Do you have any final thoughts before we wrap up?
1454
01:36:21.350 --> 01:36:24.170
1455
01:36:24.550 --> 01:36:27.130
So you were right. I was hitting on you. And
1456
01:36:28.325 --> 01:36:31.225
the reason why I'm I'm doing it is just, like,
1457
01:36:32.085 --> 01:36:37.225
when I'm gone, like, keep inspiring people. Like, I know it's not easy. I know
1458
01:36:38.570 --> 01:36:47.925
we're draining you with all the demands and, like, Matt, like, moderate this panel. Matt, organize this open state open source stage.
1459
01:36:48.465 --> 01:36:49.765
But, hey, man.
1460
01:36:50.385 --> 01:36:51.125
Who else
1461
01:36:51.425 --> 01:36:52.805
if not you? So
1462
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:56.100
you should also consider starting uncle program.
1463
01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:57.300
Like,
1464
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:01.860
get nephew. See? I have my nephew here in studio.
1465
01:37:02.994 --> 01:37:04.054
It helps out.
1466
01:37:05.315 --> 01:37:08.435
So whatever you struggle, Matt, remember this, and,
1467
01:37:08.915 --> 01:37:11.970
keep pushing on until you decide to die.
1468
01:37:13.410 --> 01:37:14.790
1469
01:37:15.410 --> 01:37:16.550
The feeling is mutual.
1470
01:37:19.225 --> 01:37:23.965
Yeah. Heck of a rip. A heck of you know, shout out to Rockstar, man.
1471
01:37:24.665 --> 01:37:25.885
It's been a good run.
1472
01:37:27.010 --> 01:37:30.310
It has. It's both beautiful and horrible to see it ending,
1473
01:37:31.170 --> 01:37:33.030
but I'm glad to be a part of it.
1474
01:37:33.890 --> 01:37:39.445
1475
01:37:41.744 --> 01:37:44.165
1476
01:37:46.400 --> 01:37:52.500
1477
01:37:54.534 --> 01:37:55.755
1478
01:37:56.135 --> 01:37:57.195
for joining us.
1479
01:37:57.895 --> 01:38:02.054
Always good having you in town. Always good kicking it. I hope,
1480
01:38:03.860 --> 01:38:04.920
whoever you become
1481
01:38:07.460 --> 01:38:09.540
visits us in Nashville very often, and,
1482
01:38:10.205 --> 01:38:14.225
hope hopefully, we we have many good times in the future
1483
01:38:14.925 --> 01:38:16.304
with whoever the new
1484
01:38:17.005 --> 01:38:19.790
1485
01:38:21.630 --> 01:38:24.210
1486
01:38:24.590 --> 01:38:25.090
today.
1487
01:38:26.110 --> 01:38:32.585
It's been a been a great day. It's gonna we have some great plans tonight, so it should be a lot of fun. I hope you all have good plans,
1488
01:38:33.284 --> 01:38:35.385
spend time with friends and family this weekend.
1489
01:38:36.580 --> 01:38:41.640
As always, you know, I skipped the intro this for this one because we did a doubleheader,
1490
01:38:42.980 --> 01:38:47.344
but I really do appreciate all you who join us in the live chat, whether that's on
1491
01:38:47.965 --> 01:38:48.864
Twitter, Twitch,
1492
01:38:49.165 --> 01:38:50.625
YouTube, or in Matrix.
1493
01:38:52.200 --> 01:38:55.820
Appreciate you all who subscribe to the show and share with your friends and family,
1494
01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:58.860
and I especially appreciate y'all who
1495
01:38:59.295 --> 01:39:02.514
continue to support the show, whether that's through podcasting 2 point o,
1496
01:39:03.295 --> 01:39:05.395
or the BTC pay server instance
1497
01:39:06.014 --> 01:39:06.915
at dispatch.com
1498
01:39:08.060 --> 01:39:08.960
or the pay
1499
01:39:09.340 --> 01:39:11.520
name, appreciate it. I really do.
1500
01:39:12.380 --> 01:39:15.280
Usually, I read the top 4 boosts from the previous
1501
01:39:16.005 --> 01:39:16.505
episode,
1502
01:39:17.205 --> 01:39:19.065
but the previous rip was with Sid
1503
01:39:19.525 --> 01:39:20.825
about 5 hours ago.
1504
01:39:22.325 --> 01:39:23.785
The amazing thing is
1505
01:39:25.369 --> 01:39:28.269
there's already more than 4 freaks who have submitted boostergrams.
1506
01:39:29.369 --> 01:39:31.070
We have Blockchain Boog,
1507
01:39:31.824 --> 01:39:36.565
5,000 sats saying time to go to a meetup. What an inspiration. And then we have
1508
01:39:38.065 --> 01:39:39.045
Tron Sington,
1509
01:39:40.840 --> 01:39:50.284
a 100 100 sats, no message. Boshko, 50 sats, no message. And f dub 7, 50 sats, no message. And Slim Shady, 50 sats, no message.
1510
01:39:50.585 --> 01:39:51.885
Appreciate all you freaks.
1511
01:39:52.745 --> 01:39:59.680
If you haven't listened to the other 2 pods I dispatches we ripped, this week, consider going back and listening to them at your leisure.
1512
01:40:00.380 --> 01:40:03.120
I am well aware that I am doing these
1513
01:40:04.385 --> 01:40:10.245
in kind of a crazy schedule, but the way I look at it is I could hold on to them myself and curate it for you
1514
01:40:10.945 --> 01:40:22.719
and decide when you get to listen to them, or I could drop them all on you at when they record it because I love these live shows, and you can listen to them or watch them at your leisure, whether that's on Bitcoin TV or
1515
01:40:23.625 --> 01:40:25.805
Telegram or your podcast app. So
1516
01:40:26.985 --> 01:40:32.445
gotta just practice some of that personal responsibility we like to talk about all the time. Rockstar, it's been a pleasure.
1517
01:40:33.130 --> 01:40:34.510
It's been a pleasure, Matt.
1518
01:40:34.970 --> 01:40:35.950
Cheers to you.
1519
01:40:36.730 --> 01:40:38.350
Stay humble, StackSats freaks.
1520
01:40:38.730 --> 01:40:39.230
Peace.
