The Art of Podcast Feedback: Public or Private?

0:00 Ask the podcast coach for April 6, 2024. Let's get ready to podcast. There it is. It's that music that means it's Saturday morning. It's time for ask the podcast coach where you get your podcast questions answered live. I'm Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting.com com, and joining me right over there. Nope. That guy is, the one and only Jim Collison from the average guy dot tv. Jim, how's it going, buddy? And, Steve, happy Saturday morning to you. Welcome back. After a week, podcast no. Podcast movement. Podcast evolutions. Yeah. Movement. How can't I remember that? It's can't I remember that? It's, hey.

0:41 Anyways, welcome back. Yeah. It's, it's good to be back. It really is. I actually thought of sending you a message because it dawned on me. I forgot I was on West Coast time. So 10:30 EST is 7:30 in the morning. I was awake. I'm like, oh, I could've done Ask the Podcast Coach. I would've been on the the slave of hotel Wi Fi, which is not always a good place to be. But I was like, you know what? It's okay. It it it was Easter weekend. I hope everybody had a great Easter weekend. And I I ended up having a birthday party to go to anyways. Oh, yeah. So it all worked out. It all worked out. Yeah. A fun one? Like, a a grandkid kinda thing? Almost like an adopted grandkid kind of thing. Like, you know, a family, they're out of they were from out of town, and they didn't have a lot of family here, so we were their grandparents. Nice. That's always fun. It was fun. I am, It was fun. I'm laughing because I'm trying to remember where the chat window is. I'm I'm rusty this morning. And you know what really helps when you're feeling rusty? Some coffee.

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3:01 Big thanks our good friend, Dan Lefebvre over there based on a true story, based on true story podcast.com this week, April 1st through 7th, the highwayman, the assassination of Jesse James. That sounds interesting. And Grant. And so, hopefully, we I always encourage you guys when we take a week off to head over there to, to catch up or something get something new or see how Dan does it. Pro podcaster, and you'll wanna check it out today based on a true story podcast.com. Dan, thanks for your sponsorship. I'm, I'm laughing because behind the scenes, there is a window that I can pull up. Like, if anybody is in YouTube right now saying things, I surely can't find it. I'm looking. I got camera switching and interviews and interview chat. All sorts of Can you see the livestream? I can Is that what you're saying in the comment? Yeah. Usually, I have a window open or maybe I need to go to it's like I'm so rusty this morning. And I was like, well, usually, you open it up, and there's the stuff from the last time you used it. And I'm like, yeah. I got nothing. So if there was, like, an echo right now, Oh, they're just saying you're quieter than me. I'm quieter than you. Alright. Well, I will I will get they're giving. And it's so weird because I'm I'm looking, and I got While you're while you're tell you, while you're looking, let me tell folks what I do for this kind of situation because I think if you're gonna livestream with Ecamm or or with StreamYard or with any of the other ones, and if you're gonna go to YouTube, you probably should just go to your live page that you're streaming on and pop that chat out. It's kind of the easiest way to

4:33 get chat. I know all of those services have the ability to bring the stream into, like, StreamYard has an area where you can you can talk back to the audience. It's I don't know. I I don't find it as as easy. I don't like it as much. The other thing I can't do is I can't ban folks. Like, on YouTube, if you start getting some, you know, you get some some racist or something, you know, pornish, whatever that's out there, You can't, you can't delete it. And so I always find if you're streaming to YouTube, always best to have the YouTube chat open, signed in as the owner so you can boot folks out. You can't I can't do that from StreamYard. I'm not sure if you can do that inside of Ecamm, Dave. Could could you boot somebody from the chat room inside of I Cam. Let's see if I can boot Randy. I See you, Randy. Yeah. I think there is a way. Everybody's saying we're It's just easier on YouTube. It's just easier. Everybody's saying we're all low, and I don't know that there is a way to boost this whole thing.

5:35 I'll just get up on the mic. That will will help. We do. I'll tell you what. This is how we'll make everything louder. We have a now here's the fun thing. When you're rusty is Jeff says, you know, when it comes to those, they're pesky, aren't they? That dang pornish chatters. Yes. Uh-huh. So it was fun. Oh, they call them pornish game hens. Right? I think that's the I think that's the name of them. But, Ralph from ask ralphpodcast.com had sent a video in this morning. And I thought, oh, and I went in and I googled, how do you share a video on Ecamm and kinda got it to work after the picture and picture and the and I went, you know what? I think this will work. And that's when I went, you know what? We know how to do audio comments really easy, and I hope I get no notifications while I do this. But here is Ralph's question. It's a good one. We're gonna end up I've noticed this now, Jim. No matter what we wanna do, we're gonna end up talking about YouTube. It's just Yay. Yay. It's just it's just the way it is. But here's Ralph. Alright. Here's a question for the ask the podcast coach today because I might not be able to make the whole show today because it's almost April 15th, and my business is busy today.

6:48 But here's the question. I recently released my podcast now on video on YouTube and Rumble. And my question for the 2 of you guys is should I really make a strong focus to do more slides and things like that to put on the YouTube and Rumble channel? I don't really see that this will make a negative impact on the podcasting audio side, but I just wanted to get your guys' thoughts because I'm really pushing this, and I see my YouTube and Rumble audience growing. And if I'm seeing growth there, it makes sense to invest in that. So just give me some ideas, and what do you think the best way to proceed is? Okay. So a couple things behind the scenes because Ralph's a member of the School of Podcasting. His show is typically 10 minutes or less.

7:31 And one of the reasons his show is growing is because there's a thing on YouTube I didn't know about where you can basically buy not buying views, but you kinda are. It's a little bit like a Facebook boost, which never do a Facebook boost. But, yeah, Doctor says we're only getting the audio, not the video. Yes. That was I did I never not finish my point? I probably not. The reason I stuck with audio is because I know how to do it. When I when I was kinda like, I think I can do the video, I was like, you know what? But I do know how to do the audio, and we don't really need the video. And so he is he did pay for sponsorship or some sort of boosting promotion thing on YouTube. So not that his content wouldn't grow it anyway, but the reason it's growing is because he's paying for it potentially. He's getting more views with that. And Chris says, hey. Rumble views are extremely low. Yeah. He he did say that.

8:22 But he's also Ralph is, the reason he's busy, by the way, is because he he's a tax accountant. He's he's an accountant, but he does taxes. But she would do my taxes. I still have to do them. Yeah. I've been for That's what I've been doing in the law. Oh, jeez. And so the, but his thing is it's kind of taxing and accounting business advice for people and businesses from a Christian perspective. And I'm like, well, from what I understand, if you're leaning right, which most Christians do, but not always, don't wanna paint with that wider brush, you know, rumble might be where you wanna be. But getting back to the original question, so he started he he does a daily show, so they're short. He started putting them on YouTube. What do you know? There's more content on YouTube, so he started growing. And he's like, hey. Should I now start putting slides in my video?

9:14 And I was like, because it's only 10 minutes. And here's my thing. Anything with video, if you've got the time and the budget, sure. If you're a tax accountant the week before April 15th you know, there was a in fact, let me tie this in with another question. Because I saw this and was like, well, I'm not really sure. Yeah. And they get really I mean, YouTube people get really nerdy. They're they're dropping names. Hey, guys. Of course. We're just looking for some advice and other people's experience as to changing settings regarding where the podcast is recorded. This isn't the one I was looking for. I was somebody said basically about the way they edit the show in the style of, like, Alibaba or somebody. I was like, wait. What? Yeah. Here we go.

10:06 I've been so I have clients as yeah. So I have clients of mine for 6 months now. I do mostly repurposing of this long form videos from YouTube and repurposing them into shorts and reels. That seems to be what people are doing now. Yeah. Be on YouTube, but mainly be on YouTube so you can cut them into shorts. Right. Some of these reels become viral and some aren't. Welcome to YouTube. It's called an algorithm. I use the same editing style like Ali Abdul. Sorry, Ali. Never heard of you, but, okay, I'm assuming Ali does really good editing. So the first thing came to mind is because of the guest topic. But when I did the same guest and topic with different editing style, the one with minimal editing has more views and likes and comments than the one apparently that has all sorts of flashy stuff. My question is more likely a survey for seasoned podcasters. Which editing do you prefer? The one with lots of editing animations or the minimal approach? Your feedback is appreciated. And so kinda going back to to Ralph's question in this, is it just me, or it seems like they're kinda focusing on the icing and not the cake?

11:14 Like, if it's good content and you're just it's a talking head, crap. Something buck. There's a guy on YouTube that does microphone reviews. Tom, Tom Buck. I think that's his last name. Anyway, he talks into the microphone. Now he occasionally will switch camera angles, but for the most part, he's not doing anything too too crazy. And so when Ralph is saying, should I add slides? If he got time, sure. But in a way, it's kind of that's to me, that's kind of backwards. If I was just doing slides, I would go, should I do live video and and put my face there as opposed I've already got my face. I've gone as video as I can get. I'm a 100% video. Now do I want to put in slides? If I was gonna put anything, I I guess if I wanted to put icing on this, it might be b roll because that's I I think if we go I don't know. I'm I'm rambling, Jim. Thoughts? No. You're fine. You're at you're you're bringing up a lot of good points in the YouTube construction process. And, you know, you watch there's a couple different variety. Right? I mean, there's folks just doing stuff. There's, you know, highly produced stuff. There's AI created stuff.

12:24 They're where they're using a lot of b roll. And I I still contend on YouTube. People follow people, and I think getting a personality out there is why I mean, everyone loves Joe Rogan because he's Joe Rogan. If I did Joe Rogan's exact show, it wouldn't be it wouldn't get the traction because I'm not Joe Rogan. I mean, they love Joe Rogan. They love his background. They love who he is and what he does, the way he interviews, all those kinds of things. Right? I think, yeah, put some slides. I mean, that's better than nothing. If you have a style that people like in their helpful slides, yeah, put them in there. Absolutely. But is that gonna you know, I don't know. Do it do it and try. See what happens. Experiment with it. That's the beauty of all of this is you can you can give it a shot and and give it a try and see see what works. I was I was in a I was in a podcast meeting this week at work, and we're kinda questioning everything right now, which is good.

13:24 Every once in a while. You know those Yeah. Cycles that you go through where it's like, do we tie our shoes to the left, or we tie them to the right? You know? And you're kinda like, oh, we don't need to question everything, but we are. And, and so I was in a in a podcast meeting, and we were talking about and and one of the podcasts we do has these varying topics. And and somebody was making a comment, nothing's consistent. It can't ever be the same. We're interviewing different people all the time with different backgrounds and different topics. And I didn't say it, but I wish I would've said, hello, Joe Rogan. Like, Rogan is not there's not one consistent thing except him and maybe him smoking weed in the podcast or cigars. I I always come back to people want to follow people. You need to be interesting. Right? You need to have an opinion. You need to have a personality. You need to be consistent with it, and people need to like you. Now that has a that has a asterisk on it because some people like to watch things that they don't like the person on.

14:27 And I don't understand that, but it it is a thing. Like, it's a thing. Right? People, like, they'll watch it and then complain about it, and then they'll come back the next week and watch it again. You see this on YouTube all the time. Virgin River on Netflix is the dumbest show ever where they have Netflix is the dumbest show ever where they have drama. Like, what do you mean you farted in church? I can't I don't know if I can forgive you for this. And I'm like, really? It's, but I watched that show to make sure it's still stupid and dumb. And I wanna punch that one woman in the face because her drama is so, yeah, I get the whole people watch things because they, you know Yeah. They watch it for people. Yeah.

15:09 And they wanna they like, the we listen. We have 30 people or whatever it is in our chat room right now. And this is the same thing on the podcast that I do at Gallup. We get people that come out to join us live. They're joining us, and I I don't wanna sound no. I'm just gonna say it. You guys like hanging out with us. You like us in most cases. You know, bangs, naughty bits may have been an exception. Right. The the you know, most of you like hanging out with us. That's why you're here. When either one of us are gone, we hear about that, those kinds of things. Welcome back when you're here. We missed you. That kind of stuff. You like hanging out with us. So be more than than gimmicks on your podcasts, be interesting.

15:51 Be an approachable, interesting person who people like. And and I think and then and that's you, by the way, because you can't sustain that. You can't sustain a fake person very long. We have somebody who wants to chime you. We have somebody who wants to chime in on that. Glenn, go go right ahead, Glenn. Don't be boring. There you go. Yeah. But no. Right on. Well and I would reverse that and say, just be interesting. You know? Be interesting in your way. Be you. Be who you are. Yeah. The the one you'll attract to people who are interested in that, and the ones that don't like it will go away, generally. Yeah. So yeah. I for the cake. Exact well, I don't know that I would add slides. To me, that I think that's a step backwards. But Well, you know you try. Try it. Yeah. Try it. And then, you know what?

16:37 Say, give him give me some feedback in the comments. Hey. I'm doing this thing new. I'm trying this on YouTube. Give me some feedback in the comments. It's if you don't get any comments or the numbers don't go up, just stop doing it because that's a that's a huge waste of time then at that point. I don't know many people who are putting on YouTube videos and lose just just to listen to them. So I, again, I I don't know. It depends on the audience. Well, that back to, you know, coach Dave. I has to agree. My answer to this question is, it kinda depends. Yeah. Yeah. As always, it does. I I was at Podcast Movement, and I'm I'm just so tired of YouTube because people are saying people are discovering video podcasts on YouTube.

17:21 And to me, a video podcast is a YouTube. So they're saying, people are watching more YouTube on YouTube. And, oh, by the way, we're going to cure cancer. We are going to do your laundry. We will, you know, free sexual favors to all. It's just it's YouTube will do everything. And I'm just like, no. Dan, here's one. Dan, I tried YouTube promotion thing for an episode just to see. Got rejected for being political for a war history episode. There's your algorithm. There's your brand safety. Congratulations. Ugh. Brand safety. Don't get me going. Let's see here. Speaking of shorts, Jeff says, the king of creating shorts for podcast is at castahead. Yeah. Castahead.net, if I remember right. The one and only Chris Stone, member of the School of Podcasting. If you haven't checked out his channel, you need to I I, by the way, just embellish that. So some of that was Jeff and some of that was me. Chris does great work.

18:19 Gary Stockton says, I like to mix up podcast interviewing using Stream Deck in Ecamm. The problem is he's not doing interviews. It's just Ralph, being Ralph talking about taxes, and he changes on like, on Wednesday, it's it's wacky Wednesday. And Sundays, he does something a little more spiritual. And then here we go. I don't know who Ali Abdaal is, but according to Craig, he has great content and engaging editing. So here's the thing, though. I I think we see this a lot. And and tell me if I'm wrong. It seems like we're not doing the Wayne Gretzky. Everybody knows the the great Wayne Gretzky, the hockey guy. And he had this quote. They said, how how do you score so many points? And he goes, most people skate to the puck. I skate to where the puck is going to be. And so I think so many of us see Ali Abdaal, and they're like, oh, this guy's famous. Look what he's doing. I'm gonna do what he's doing. So we're skating at the puck instead of, like, okay. That's gonna like, remember when audiograms first came out? We're like, oh, this is a everybody. Everybody do audiograms.

19:26 Come on. Get on. This is the thing that's gonna give us 10,000 downloads. Come on. On. And then all of a sudden, we all went, yeah. It's a squiggly line. Like, I'm in Ohio. We got the, the big eclipse thing coming up here. And, like, on the news, they're like, lock down the house. Thousands of people are coming here because it's gonna get dark in the middle of the afternoon. And I'm like, yeah. Okay. So, You know? But I I I had a thought. Oh, it's no big deal. Right? And No. It's just funny. It's gonna get dark in the middle of the afternoon. Is it? That's really I mean, because to me, like, what is it? Well, the the the moon and the earth, and all of a sudden about 3 o'clock is gonna get dark. And I'm like, and this is a big deal. I get it because it normally doesn't get dark in the middle of the afternoon, but I'm like, why are thousands of people driving from Florida to go to Ohio to put on how much money was made on the cheap sunglasses.

20:20 And then, b, the forecast is it's going to be overcast, so we might not be able to see it. So that's kind of fun. But yeah. So give it a shot. You know, if you have the time, do it. I'm just not sure. And this is where like, that guy there with the editing. If people are losing subscribers unless that was it. There's one of the questions I I picked, I can't find it. The guy changed his background. Like, he changed from one office to another one. And he's like, I'm losing subscribers. And I'm like, so and I'm like, unless your background is a bunch of backlight that is hard to look at or you've got blood and gut, something that's just disturbing to look at, I don't know that your background has a lot to do with to me, that is, again, icing. Now granted, when we eat cake, we eat we eat cake for the icing, but I just think some of this stuff I go, I don't think if if the cake is no good, if there's no good ingredients, you know, better ingredients, better pizza. Right? Papa John's. And I'm like so I I I think sometimes we get focused. There were I'm here to tell you, there were no less than 10 questions about microphones.

21:34 And I'm like, I I don't think that's it. You know? I do. I I've gotten a resurgence, excuse me, in questions from folks about microphones lately. And I don't know what caused it, but all of a sudden, everybody's like, hey. You've been talking for a long time about improving your sound by using a better microphone. Can you walk me through that process? So I wonder sometimes if those come in waves. Yeah. I think I think, Dave, give it a try. Like, I don't let us determine what your show becomes. You do it the way you wanna do it. Make it fun. If you wanna add the slides, if you think they add value and you get feedback that they do great, you get feedback that your background is causing people to be disengaged, well, consider changing your background. Here's the deal, though. You're never gonna please everybody. So you're always gonna get somebody that says you know, I at work all the time. When I podcast from home, my audience likes this background. They tell me this all the time. And when I go to work, it's that gray. It says gallop. You know, it's like the corporate background that we put in. And my the guy who built the studio thought that would be super cool. And it does kinda look cool in person.

22:44 Doesn't look great on camera, and the audience doesn't like it. And they tell me all the time. So I think we're gonna we're gonna change up the background there. It just looks a little sterile. You know? But you can't as you listen. You will chase your tail till the till the end of days if you try to make everybody happy and please everyone with the feedback. At some point, you just gotta do do what works for you and and, and let the chips fall. Remind me of that later to talk about my I'm gonna re well, I'm I'm launching the one show about the website, and and that's fun. But they're saying in the chat here what they're doing. Ralph says, I do some interviews as well. Just did one with Mark from practicalprepping.info, and he's done one with Craig. So what this would look like is this would be ask the podcast coach where I do my thing. And then when Jim has something to say, I do this. And then Jim talks, and then I talk, and then Jim talks. And then maybe occasionally do the split, and then back to Jim, you know, that whole 9 yards. And I and what that does is it makes your brain you know, I'm I'm sure Chris again from castahead.net, there is a a thing that, like, the whole jump cut thing. Your brain goes, hey, what was that?

23:54 What you know, so when all of a sudden something changes, all of a sudden your brain's like, wait. What? What's that? Holy cow. What? You know? So I get that it does help hold attention, but there is a part of me that goes, yeah, but I could sit here all day and go, blue. It's blue, I tell you. Let's talk about blue. It's one of my favorite colors. Actually, one of my favorite colors is black, but it's purple, and now it's blue. And you're like, yeah. If if the content is boring, it doesn't matter how much camera switching you do. It's you know? Again, what is it, Glenn? What did you say? Don't be boring. Yeah. Don't be boring. So I I think that's it. See? And, Chris, now we're making people hungry. Chris is like, I want some red velvet cake. Me too. See, I'm not a fan of the red velvet. Oh, yeah. Give me chocolate all the time. Eat any cake right now. I'd eat any anything. And I hope I am louder now. I am looking at VU meters, and according to the VU meter on the RODECaster Pro Mini, whatever the little baby one is, I'm actually louder than Jim now.

24:58 So, What if there's a final out somewhere in the Ecamm that is misbalanced or something. Because we get this feedback. Oh, you know what? I can check that here. Let's do that. Okay. So now you talk, Jim. Hello? 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 7. Am considerably lower. So let's turn interview channel. I am on the RODECaster deal chat. Sorry, people watching the video. There you go. There you go. More things. I as I say, more equipment, more problems. That's always fun. One thing that's happened for us is, YouTube shorts are driving new subscribers, so we'll continue to make short outtake videos. That seems to be the biggest reason to be on YouTube now. And then this is the marketing strategy I see is cut up YouTube shorts. I'm here to tell you anytime I click on shorts, how many shorts do you watch when you go to watch 1 YouTube shorts, Jim? Oh, a bunch. Yeah. A bunch. I click on 1, and I watch no less than 5.

26:03 And it's usually about for me, it's that was a bad one. That was a bad one. Okay. What's the next one? I'm not really interested in the guitar right now. Next. And all of a sudden, I'd be like, nah. Okay. But if one of those hits, I'll be like, okay. It's there's a show on Netflix, and I was watching it because, a, again, word-of-mouth. Here, I don't want people to get bored. I'm gonna switch channels to me. I was watching it on, Netflix, and and it's called The Night Agent, and I like it. I had 3 people say, oh, that's a good show. You should watch it. I just got done bingeing it. And the whole number 1, it comes out and grabs you by the neck because you're like, wait. This guy works for the FBI, and there's, you know, they they have a good opening scene to where you're like, wait, what's and that's the whole thing.

26:54 The whole thing is like, wait, what? Who is this guy? What's he doing? It's the it's it's the whole thing is just, like, wanna know what happens next, and who is this, and why is this? And then I laughed because about 3 fourths the way through, you're like, okay. We're just getting to the story. And it turns out that his dad was accused of of being a traitor. His dad was in the FBI, and he wasn't a traitor. I'm like, okay. So we know along the line of the story, we're gonna figure out what really happened with his dad. And so anything that can get your audience, you know, here's a here's a little breadcrumb. Okay. Keep coming. Keep coming. Here's another little breadcrumb. Oh, but, now you need to know about that one. It's in terms of storytelling, I can see why people thought it was good, because you wanna know what happens next.

27:43 And then this, they get in a situation where he's basically being someone's bodyguard, which I liked it the first time in the movie called what was it again? Oh, that's right. The bodyguard. Because it just it just so happens that he's extremely handsome, and the person that he is bodyguarding is is pretty attractive as well. So the whole time, you're like, oh, are we gonna do a moonlighting? And wonder the whole time, are they gonna hook up or not? And it just the whole time I'm laughing going, I really like this, and I know why I like this. I see what you're doing there. You're getting me wondering what's going on. And so if you need something to watch, it's it's fun, but it's and then you wonder, oh, is she gonna trust him? Because she doesn't know. It's yeah. Okay. Enough of that, Dave. We get it. But anytime you can anytime you can get your audience going, I wonder what happens next. Like, I'm sure with Dan on his show, when I've listened to it, he does a little bit of, like, wait. What? You know, that's information I couldn't get any place else. And I thought in the movie did this, and they're like, wait. Well, what's then what really happened? And so it gets you sucked in. So that's that's what gets people not that's what gets people talking about your content. I'm gonna I don't have the clip ready now, but in my, there's a guy named Rick Beato. Being a musician, I watch his stuff, and he will go in and, like, why is this song good? He talks a lot about the music business because he used to be a producer and how he did this one with a guy. And this is where I always wanna go remember people, Spotify is run by the music business. There there's a major ownership of that. And at one point, they're talking

29:16 about how musicians come to them all the time. They're like, how do I get more listeners? How do I get more fans? And their answer was, make a extremely good record. Like, that's really where you gotta start. And nobody likes that answer. But, you know, I remember when did did you remember the the black album from Metallica? Mm-mm. No. That that's the one it had. You're not a Metallica person? No. When it came out, just the sound of it. The sound of that album was like it just sounded huge. It sounded like music Godzilla would walk into, and I was like, oh, this is amazing. And then I listened to it over and over and over, and everybody that liked that kind of music is like, have you got the Black Album yet? And, you know so here again, a really, really good album. So Well that helps. David, I think one of the things you know, you think about, taking a chance on your podcast, changing a format, doing something different, trying something Metallica. You know?

30:16 Trying something new with it. And we we listen. The the examples we always pull from where that's super successful, you know, what do they say? History is written by the victors. Right? And sometimes what we think is best case or best scenario, they, of course, are always drawn in by those who were successful, but there have been plenty of attempts to do things that haven't been successful. New Coke is an example of one of those things where a multibillion dollar organization. Yeah. Did a whole bunch of research, thought they were doing the right thing, were competing with Pepsi at the time, and thought, you know what? We're gonna do something. We've had an old formula, right, kind of thing. They honestly thought they were doing the right thing, you know, for for what they what they were doing, and it was terrible. And so but they learned. They brought the they brought original Coke back super fast.

31:09 And and yeah. You just don't know. So I think you've got to always be willing to try to, you know, experiment, do things new, do something different, but also be able to go to pull back on something if it doesn't work. You know, you try something and you're like, yeah, this doesn't work to be able to, to backtrack and say, okay. Yeah. That that wasn't as good. But all that being said, if you're doing your podcast for you and things you like to do, your audience wants you to do something you don't wanna do, don't do it. You know? That's a stick with what you know, it's this it's this dance. At the end of the day, you have to decide what do I want out of this thing at the end of the day. Well, that's it. And here's an example. I cannot well, it's it's kind of weird. These are from Mark. Right? So we we kind of did this before where everybody said, hey, we like the artwork design. We just don't like the colors.

32:08 So I sent out a form. I guess I could put this in the chat room as well, but I got 60 replies on this. Right? And so we've got blue. We've got red. We got white. We got one. I love the fact that the mouse is still hanging around. I was a big fan of the mouse. And the one that is winning the most right now, unfortunately, by 31%, is none of the above. Like, when they look at this and I was like, ah, crap. Sorry, Mark. Yeah. I was like, mhmm. Bummer. And so I I like the fact that this guy said, I like e, but with your name on the bottom, a blue stripe with white lettering. And whoever and that's not me, by the way, but that's my answer. I like the mousey thing. I would like to see the mouse, and this is probably one of my Excel Mark. Take the mousey example, which is e, and merge it with somehow if we can get I like the dark blue with the white letters. I think that looks cool. I'm not a huge fan of all the screens. I get it. And I do we need my name? Because if you think about it, the author of the podcast is gonna say Dave Jackson. So do we need it on the website? So I kinda like this or take this with the, the mouse and the your podcast website. Put that over here, get rid of the screens, and put the gray on the bottom.

33:18 And I think and here's the thing. On one hand, I've, for almost a month now, been asking people, what do they like? What do they like? Because the one that's getting the most that's not none of the above is d, which is this one. White background, blue. So red, white, and blue, basically. And but I just this is one of those where I'm like, yeah, but I really like the mouse. I think the mouse is cute. I like the idea of the mouse. Thought if we just made that dark blue on the background with like, if I combine this, your website, with the mouse, I think I'm done. Because I really wanna get this podcast going. I don't know. So here's my thoughts. The is it stupid then to ask your audience only to then ignore them? Because they I this did rank okay. It's it's not you know, unfortunately, none of the above is is winning, but this was in, like, the top 3. And I was like, well, I don't know. I feel kind of silly. What if these if what if these were tight jeans? Like, tight or what are the skinny skinny pants? Is that what they call them? Skinny jeans? Skinny jeans. Here we go. And and your audience said to you, Dave, what we really wanna do is see you in skinny jeans all the time. And you are, like, I'm not gonna wear skinny jeans. Like, I'm not I'm not gonna the audience is, like but we would really love to to see you. In comparison. Yeah.

34:41 So I think, yeah, this is one of those cases for you too. At the end of the day, you've gotta you gotta live with this logo. It may not be the most popular one that the audience picked, but if you like it, I think go with it. If you if you're in a situation where, like, you know what, I can go with what the audience says. I don't particularly like it, but they did. Go that direction. I'm not sure it's a make or break for you. That's probably it. I'm not sure. You know what? Right. You nailed it, Jim Collison. This is I'd see. This is where you're too close to the trees to see the forest or however that stupid saying goes. This is a classic example of overthinking. Really. Because in the end you know what I mean? So, yeah, I just need to pull the trigger, go to town on that, and then we got some comments on this already. Where did Craig go? I had it. We did get some great stuff with, Well, again, on that logo, think about New Coke. Like, they had all these Yeah. Yeah. They had all these indicators that this is what people wanted, and they followed it, and then the people rebelled. And they said, you know? Yeah. It's true. And so right? I mean but they did make a decision.

35:55 I mean, they could've they could've they know now. Right? Don't change the formula. They know that now. And and, yes, we've this is an example we always bring up, but it because it was huge. So I I think go with what you like. If you're comfortable with it, make that decision. I'm, like, go go with the audience or what I like. Then if you launched it and it was a terrible decision, you've got Mark's other things. You can always just swap it back out. Yeah. I could say, let's go back. Did you throw away that? Yeah. That's true. And I just I just had Craig's point. And this is something that I am uncomfortable where'd it go? See, everybody's chatting. Here we go. Craig says Oh, they wanna see you in skinny jeans is what That's it. Of course. I wanna see me in skinny jeans. Well, we could go into a whole jeans tyrant, but I won't. Craig says your name reinforces your brand, and you're very very well known in the podcasting space. And this is something that my brain has a hard time grasping. I remember once I was in a mastermind, and he said, Dave, you know what your problem is? And I go, what? He goes, you don't know you're Dave Jackson. And I go, like, what? And, like, he goes, no, man. Like and I went to, Kevin Schmidlin had a a webinar, 4 hour thing on, you know, growing your podcast. And I I like Kevin. He's I I don't consider him competition because he's going after a completely different audience guy. But I went in not for the content, although the content towards the end, especially, the beginning was kind of, you know, stuff for everybody. Towards the end, it was some good stuff. I went

37:26 in there to watch the chat room. I wanted to see what the questions were that people were getting. So because one, I think somebody he works with kind of went, why are you here? And I said, I'm just here to lurk. Like, I'm just really looking at the chat room. I would never poach Kevin's, you know, potential clients. I know people have come here to this this chat room and poached clients, and I think that's, oh, I want a curse. It's not nice to poach other people's clients, and and you will get banned for that if you openly do that. At least do what everybody else does and send them a DM. You know, you could always get your own show. But, anyway, that's a thought. But but I I love this rant. This is awesome. Yeah. So, but and I forget why I was talking about Kevin. Oh, crap. See, I I derailed myself. Sorry. My laughing threw you off.

38:20 No. Crap. What were we talking about? Oh, I was I went over there to to watch questions, not really to poach. Yeah. And going back to rebranding, since we're on I'll take rebranding for 200. I, I just did episode 500. Somebody on the chat room were like, you were talking about this, Dave. Oh, thank you. I just did episode 500 of the podcast rodeo show. And for years, I've been saying that really needs rebranded. And then my audience was kinda like, no, no, it's fun. It's cute. I'm like, yeah. But in terms of, like, does it pass the Dave test, which is, hey, I'm doing a show called podcast rodeo show. What do you think it's about? And everybody goes, the rodeo? And I go, nope, sorry. That's not what it's about. And then I put on, like, first impression reviews, and I thought about it. I thought what I should rename the show is podcast hot seat. He's like, that's kinda that seems to me I don't know. What do you think, Jim? Is that obvious enough? That sounds more like the hot wings show where they bring people on and eat hot wings to me. Like, they're on it's like a person on the hot seat. Well And I get it. I get what you're saying there. My thought. So we'll we'll throw this out and brainstorm together. So it's me, and then I bring on maybe 2 tops 3, because this show is normally 15 minutes. So that's the first thing I have to get my head around. I'm blowing out the format.

39:40 Right? And this used to be a short show that took no time. That was the whole premise of it. I'm not doing any research. I'm listening to 5 minutes of your show and then saying this is what I liked and this is what I didn't. And as a marketing tool, it has failed miserably. It has brought 0 well, I shouldn't say maybe a handful of clients to the School of Podcasting. So, Dave, why did you keep on doing it? Because it was fun. Alright. Is it not fun as it used to be? Kinda. Because I I can't remember the last time I said I like this show. It's all like and, like, I just listened to LeBron James has a new pod a new podcast where his website is, of course, the YouTube. Right? There's no website for the actual podcast. I listened to 10 minutes of this thing and never heard the voice of LeBron James. So that got the old, like, hey. Now if you're if you're a basketball player and you wanna talk serious, like, level 3, like, podcast or basketball strategy on how to play and how to guard, that's the show for you. I liked it for that. Like, early in, they started talking serious basketball jargon. But I just, like, I I I just seem like I'm I wanna get a T shirt that says curmudgeon on it because it just seems like everything I do is just, oh, here's that old guy.

40:55 You know. So my thought was getting back to that, man, I'm really all over the place today. You are wound up. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Well, I missed the show. Have maybe maybe 3 people, probably 2. So if we could listen to 10 minutes of each show, although and then so it'd be like this. Alright. Jim's here. You know, Ralph's here. Craig's here from Live Well and Flourish, and we're all gonna listen to each other's shows. So Jim has given me an episode, so we start listening to Home Gadget Geeks. And if for some reason you don't like it anymore, maybe I'd have to figure out. Maybe you you turn off your camera if that was easy to do or something. That would be your way of going. Right? But as long as there are people and then eventually, when I determine, you know, it's enough of that, we're 5, 10 minutes in, then we stop and I ask you, Jim, okay. On a scale from 1 to 10, what would you give the audio? On a scale then, you know, Jim, you you turned off your camera at, maybe there's something they hold up, a buzzer. I don't know something. And, you know, you turned off your buzzer about 2 minutes in. What made you bail? And then you could say, I don't know. I just wasn't getting anything out of it. Blah blah blah. Okay. Was there anything you liked about so we basically then all go around and say, this is what I liked about the show. And if there is something that you would change, what would it then be? And so then, Jim Jim comments on it. I comment it, and the other person comment. The person who show is just listening. Then we go to, you know, Ralph Show, and we listen a little of ask the Ralph ask ralphpodcast.com, and then

42:26 Jim comments on it. You know, Lisa comments on it. I comment it. Ralph listens. Repeat. Repeat. What's good? What's bad? Audio. Did you listen to the whole thing? And so you end up with 4 podcast reviews. This would be done live on YouTube and then later turned into a podcast. What say you, Jim Collison? That's so here's what I'm thinking. A, it'd be I think it would be good YouTube content even though, you know, we're not well, we could. We could switch the serenes every time somebody talks just to keep people awake. So it'd be a live show. It's kind of the gong show in a way without putting the word gong in there. And in and then here's Ralph. I I threw this idea out, and Ralph said what you should do because originally, I was gonna charge people to be on a panel because you're getting your podcast reviewed. Ralph said what you should do is anybody that agrees to be a panelist gets a free week, gets a free month, something at the School of Podcasting. And I went, That's because now, instead of hoping they join the school of podcasting, you just throw them in for free and then see how long they stick around. And I went, then talk about playing with something? I was like, I would like to test that one just to see how it would work. But I've talked a lot. Now I'm gonna shut up, and I'm gonna switch Jim to a solo show so he can answer. Oh, don't don't make me solo. I'm not I'm not comfortable solo.

43:52 There's a I see a few problems in that kind of format. Well, one is Timing. In a review form. We no. No. I think all that I actually, I think the way you go you're going about it isn't as important as the why and and the who in this case. So listen, people want a people want your opinion because you've been podcasting, you know, forever, and you've got, you know, you you this is what you do. Right? So you have a you've you've got a reputation. If you have other podcasters come on whom they may or may not know, they may have not signed up for those folks. They don't know who they are nor do they really value their opinion. And so I'm not sure that a rotating panel of podcasters is all that helpful. Listen. If you're doing this, the Gong show worked not it worked because it was entertainment, not helpful. Mhmm. They no one was no one was on the Gong show to improve their comedy or improve their music. It was just it was entertainment. Right? And they picked people on there to to be because in the at the end of the day, it was pure entertainment. I think you're trying to blend entertainment with helpfulness, and I'm not sure those 2 go together. This is why the rodeo show has a weird rub. It does have a weird rub. Yeah. Because you're trying to be entertaining and interesting and helping people at the same

45:22 time. And I don't know if those all work together. Right? I don't know if that's a cocktail that you wanna mix up on a regular basis. I think having a show where you bring people on to have a had to have a very serious conversation about the oops, sorry, about the quality of their of their podcast, is very valid. I think having a show where you make fun of other podcasts is very entertaining. I don't think you can mix the 2 together. Right? I that that my my personal opinion. No. That's a good well, that's always been you hit the nail on the head is when I first started, I was tired when I was doing it, and I was much more honest than I am now. I I now literally will take 15 seconds to kinda come up where before I was just right, you know. And that's one of the situations where just because you think it doesn't mean you should say it. And so I still I still give honest opinion like LeBron James got the I'm like, dude, I'm 10 minutes in. I haven't heard LeBron James yet. I'm like, what the heck? I tuned in to hear LeBron, not some guy talk about what LeBron thinks. I'm like, that that was kinda crappy, but I think you hit the nail on the head. What's the goal of the show? The goal of the show is to drive members to the school of podcasting. Is that gonna work?

46:40 Because and Larry had a great point. He said, he has a mastermind, and he was saying they just removed the hot seat because, you know, people are pooping on their art. And that's not really as much as you should let people poop on your art because how is it gonna get better? But on the other hand, you know, if it's it it might kind of especially in a mastermind where you're trying to build community and somebody's honest and said, I don't know. I just was kinda bored, you know. Yeah. Here he is. He says, we just eliminated the hot seat from our mastermind due to negative emotions people were having towards being in it. Yeah. And that's where you you need to find just like any mastermind, you need the right people. And that's where, you know, it it would be people have to know. This is what's going in.

47:29 Like and, unfortunately, all think about a review is gonna be, oh, they're just gonna rip my podcast to shreds. And I'm like, well, not if there's not anything to rip to shreds. You know what I mean? But, like, I I was, working with a member of the school of podcasting last night. And this isn't wrong. It's just, it's something to think about. But at the end, he pointed people towards his patreon.com/whatever. And then he pointed people towards facebook@facebook.com/whatever. I said, I would reverse those and go, hey, if you wanna join our community, go to my website.com/community. If you wanna join our our Patreon, if you wanna join if you wanna be a supporter, like, we go, ask the podcast coach.com/support. So that was my negative feedback. You know, I said the audio was good. He he he did one thing where he was asking somebody about their divorce, and it's kinda sensitive. Right? We're, like, going, maybe this guy doesn't wanna talk about this. So what he did was he shared a vulnerable story first. And I'm like, that's absolutely, like that's the blueprint. If you want your audience to be vulnerable, if you want your guest to be vulnerable, then you should kind of demonstrate that, and he did. The show is, around the layout. Dot com is his website. It's a show it's a show. Talk about a niche. It's a show for people that are into model trains, and they are deep into it. And all it is in fact, you'll hear me talk about this on the next episode of The School of

49:01 Podcasting. Like, Jim, what's a like, you you smoke cigars. So, like, you hang out with Ed Yeah. And Dave. Yeah. And you guys talk about cigars. And and suddenly, you're not surrounded by people like, oh, they stink. Oh, I hate it. Like, no. You're on people that are like, oh, I love that. Have you ever smoked this type or that type? So it's model trains, but it's a whole bunch of people that love model trains. And so that's one of the benefits of that that show. But he was the guy who was like, oh, you know, I said, no. Make that, around the layout dot com slash, you know, community. Around the layout dot com slash support. So sometimes now some people might go, thank you so much. I had a guy, new member of the School of Podcasting, met him at podcast movement, so that was awesome, but the name of Vishal was his name. And I go, if people don't know you, they don't know what the it'd be like, you know, oh, it's the it's it's the Jeff, you know, Jamango show. Right? Well, if you don't know who Jeff Jamango is, then I'm not really wanting to click on that. I said, you need a tagline. And he's act and he's got an amazing show already.

50:10 It's about church planting. And so his audience is not only there's an example of they know his why, like, why he's doing the show. And then he said, yeah. Last year, somebody donated $65,000 to his podcast. I was like, that is a because of my podcast story, my friend. Holy cow. But he didn't have a tagline. I go, you need a tagline because if people search for your show, unless they know who you are, they're not going to, you know, find you. Randy says about mastermind groups. Many mastermind groups have no clue how to facilitate being helpful. They jump to tell mode and should and should mode instead of helping others figure it out for themselves. There you go. Wise man, Randy Cantrell.

50:54 Dave, you know so as you've been talking about this, I've been thinking about, like, what would I do? What would I do differently? Is your you're contemplating. Now listen. You're contemplating the format of this, and so you're open to suggestions. I'm not coming out of the blue and saying, you know, I've told you I'm uncomfortable with that rodeo show because it's It's I was gonna kill it. I was like, 500. You know what? We're done. I'm gonna start this other show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I I think it comes from a motive. The motives are good. I think the the execution for me was for me, was it was just it was too confrontational. I can't take that confrontational format, you know, the the jackass stuff. The Right. You know, the even candid camera was a little bit now it's going way back. Is it was a little bit right you know, too con too confrontational for me. I say that tongue in cheek, cheek, of course. But, you know, what you could do is so you got a podcaster that wants a review or you're doing a review on. Are you you're not. You were just randomly picking these.

51:53 Right? These weren't you weren't working with people. Here's the thing where it's probably a pricing issue because I was just having fun. It's $5 to get reviewed. I just didn't wanna do it for free. So I made it $5. Isn't everybody would do it? What you would think. Right? But it's I I've had it's $5. It might as well be free. And I still don't have people signing up. There's no line there. And I went, okay. So, you know okay. So what? Either raise the price on that because they they say there's no perceived value probably. That would be my that if I was coaching me and be like, oh, you need to raise your price. People think this is crap because it's only $5. So I see The goal was the goal was always to drive people to School of Podcasting. Right? Like, if you need it the goal on this? Yeah. It was like, hey. If you don't even have a podcast, you know, come visit me, school of podcasting.com, kinda thing. And so I so I think what you you could try Yeah. Pick this pick this is so you get a podcast. Somebody wants this kind of review. Have them do some of the homework and say, hey. Present to me, give me your your best show, and tell me 3 points in the show that you think where you're the best, at, like, where you're the strongest in this, then they'll give you those, you know, they can give you those timestamps and you go listen. You're gonna listen to the show anyways. Then you could go through in the first half of the show, you could you could critique those best and not from a not trying to tear them down, but trying to build them up. People love to hear, like, what we do here on the show. I mean, we do some tearing down. But we're trying to we're trying to build people up.

53:26 Right? We're trying to encourage people to do this. So build them up. Hey. Let me play this clip, then you could do a little coaching. Hey. Why why did you you submitted this. What did you think? Then you could say, here's what I think. I think in the midst of that conversation, because you've listened to the show, you could also spend some time pulling out some things that aren't working so well. It it puts a more positive spin on it as opposed to coming out and it being like that that they get some they get a little input on what you talk about, but you still get the opportunity to work with them and show people, like, that you've got an opinion on some of these things and that you can talk positively about it. I bet I bet you get a lot more people to listen to something that way that they know because they know they're coming in and the person's not on the hot seat. They're gonna be encouraged for the best 3 spots in the show. Then you can still coach them. You know, it's the it's the, what, the the, the criticism sandwich.

54:26 Right? Something good, something bad, something good. Right. And I I think it gives you it may give you the opportunity for a little more constructive, a little more positive. I don't know. Thoughts on that? What do you think? I I definitely agree. I always try even if it's a horrible show, on the rodeo show, the first thing I'll say then because I always try to start off with, here's what I liked. And if it's horrible, if it's tremendously bad audio, like, it's just bad. It's just like it's it's like you should stop podcasting bad. I will say the good news is while many people have been thinking about doing a podcast for years, you actually pressed record. So kudos for that. That's good. I'm glad you're up and running. Now let's see if we can shape this a little more effectively, and then I'll go into them.

55:13 I I just don't think outing people, and I know you're not doing that intentionally. Right. I just don't think out some people really like that. I don't think most people do. No. I think I think You know, there are folks who can tolerate that. I can't. I I can't I can't watch people be embarrassed that way. Yeah. I just can't. I could I could barely this is serious. I could barely watch The Office at times because it was so embarrassing, some of the things people would do. You know? And it it's just maybe sometimes it hits too close to home. Well, and So and now you're really leading me to think, maybe I should just shut her down. I really like, it you know, it's like this this really isn't geared to do, you know Chris says Does it match the does it match the goal? My brand. Yeah.

55:58 Yeah. Because I almost shut it down once. Yeah. Chris says, SWOT analysis. I like that. And then there are people like this. John Jamango says, having Dave Jackson telling my podcast dinks would break my heart. See, again, this is where, to me, it's just an opinion, and then other people go, no. No. You're Dave Jackson. I'm like, yeah. I'm just a dude. And they're like, you know, Chris, again, strengths, weaknesses, and opportunities, you know, that whole 9 yards. Right. That's a slot. Yeah. Yep. No. You could go that. I I just really think it comes at the intention. Are you trying to help the person, or are you trying to out the person? Yeah. I'm I'm always trying to help. It may sound like I'm trying to out them. Yeah. It it yeah. It would it would yeah. See, that's exactly the same thing. That reaction, Craig says, good teachers always lead with praise before speaking about the negative stuff. No. But the fact that we're all kinda going, well, it's tricky. And you really need the right people to do that. Dave just run my podcasting hopes and dreams many years ago when I first got started. And Larry ignored everything I said, and he is kicking butt and taking names right now. So although if I remember right, Larry had a show. It was like everything about everything. I forget the name of it. But it was just I wanna talk about whatever I wanna talk about. And I was kinda like, shouldn't there be a theme in here somewhere?

57:18 But, you know and, of course, all you needed to do, and it's brilliant. It really is. You talk about we all think we have to write our name in the sky or something like that. Larry put on a red hat and invented Red Hat Media, and it's I'm here to tell you, it's it's like genius. Because if I go to an event and I walk into a room and there's 800 people and I see a red hat, I instantly know that's Larry, and it's not some MAGA guy. Like, I because also Larry's tall. And so is the minute I see a tall it was, yeah, really random was the name of the show. And I was kind of like, do we all, you know, and there are people. That's a that's a niche, by the way. The niche is I want multiple topics. That's a niche. I've had people, like, I can't pick 1. But Larry's red hat is genius because I know right where he is, everything in his marketing material, you know, he'll have a picture of him in in black and white, but his hat is still red. So, you know, consequently, I'm gonna start wearing a, a graduation robe to a and a blue hat, you know, blue you know, I could do that. Sure.

58:26 Dan says says nothing wrong with going on hiatus to give you some time away from it and see if I miss it. That's not a bad idea. But I just the the more we talk about this, the more I'm like, you know what? I'm not sure this works. You know what I mean? Without the right people, I need people willing to because, you know and and and the thing is, again, most of the shows have something to improve on. I mean, the school of podcasting can improve. I'm always one of my mantras is constant improvement. You know? Randy says, the podcast rodeo show is one of my immediate listens. I know that I will either find a good podcast to listen to, like living up in a down world, or a bad one to avoid. Yep. It is kind of that. And there are plenty of people that will eat well, I've and I always play this. So when somebody's like, hey. You missed the boat. Because I listen to 1. I because I've been reviewing popular shows that, like, if I don't get somebody in that's why I re reviewed LeBron's show because people are looking for that show, And so then they'll find mine.

59:30 And I've had people say, yeah, you missed the boat. You gave that one the old and if you would listen to another 4 minutes, they hook you in. I'm like, yeah, but I'm not listening to 20 minutes of a show to to do it's a first impression thing. And I don't know. So it's it's something to to think about. Well, this is you know, the chat room is a great example of there's some folks who love that show. There's others who don't. Well, do if you you can't listen to everybody Right. Are you you know, is it fulfilling the needs and the purpose and the mission of what you intended it to do? I gave you know, my advice was I think it's a mixed message, but you you ultimately have to decide what you what you want that to be. It's not my decision. It's yours. Yeah. I I I do think, you know, if the if the goal was to to provide coaching, I think, you know, the old adage about leadership where you praise in public and criticize private. Yeah. Absolutely. I think I think some like, if the intent is to show that in coaching, I don't think we would come in here and on this show. We criticized. It's not like we don't criticize things. We just criticize companies that do things weird and, you know, situations like that. But I if we all of a sudden, you know, say say one Saturday we brought in, Dan's a sponsor, so I'll use him as an example. So we bring on, you know, his show and and start tearing it, you know, start tearing it up. And he didn't ask for it, and he didn't want

1:01:01 it, wasn't ready for it. I'm not sure we'd see Dan for a while at that point. Right? Not the intent to is that coaching? Sure. We could hide behind the the the the, you know, that idea of coaching. Well, I'm just I'm just trying to help you. Yeah. I didn't I this isn't army basic training. You know? This I I I didn't sign up for this. I so I think it's getting those those I mean, if you wanted to I think if the intent was to drive people to school podcasting or to to your coaching stuff, I think a more coach approach oh, I kinda rammed. A more coach approach to to it would would actually show would show them what you can do. Yeah. The the thing that caught Maybe you're doing that. I haven't listened to one, to be honest with you, because I was afraid of the content. You know? You gotta cringe. Yeah. Craig has a great point. He goes, it's either a hobby or a business. If it's not bringing you leads and you don't enjoy it, then Bennett. Yeah. That's me. That's why that's why I'm like, you know so I like the idea that Ralph said, maybe give people a month. And I was like, that might be that might backfire, because my whole thing is unlimited 1 on 1 consulting. And if I get a bunch of new people with a bunch of questions, that could be an issue. You know, John says, I disagreed with you on the Kelsey Brothers podcast, New Heights. Even though what you said was correct, I still am one of their fans. Yet, they they have a lot of advertising at

1:02:33 the beginning of their show. And I was like, as a new listener, I was kinda like, really? And then coach Dave, sometimes the benefit is not realized by the people or the person in the hot seat, but those in the wings, which kinda goes back to Jim's point of sometimes it's your your your coaching you're trying to coach in public, but in the process, you have to criticize in public, which is not great. And but it's the people in the wings who aren't because you're not talking about their show that get the benefit, you know. So it's it's it's kinda tricky. So it's it's but I like Dan's idea. Maybe just put it on hiatus for a bit. The thing I hate about that is there are people like Randy that listen when it first comes out. And if I put it on hiatus, it's not like Randy's going to work going, why? I'd listen to a show today on the way to work, but, you know, podcast radio. So I was I guess I'll just sit here in silence. No. They're gonna go find something else. And then when it comes back, it's up to you to, you know, get them to go, well, is this show better than the one I've I've replaced you with? John says, if Dave called me privately and told me what he thought of my podcast, I would love it. If he did it publicly, it would kill me. Yeah. That's the problem. It's the public thing. Randy says one of the best podcast rodeo episodes was the garbage day podcast, one of the worst shows ever. So, again, it's entertaining.

1:03:56 I did have a guy the very first episode that I did. I forget what it was, but it was horrendous. And the guy finally figured out that I had reviewed his show and said, hey. Can you take that down? And I very politely did. I'm like, sure. Fine. Whatever. I could have said it's my opinion. See, this is this is what I tried. Randy says, have you ever released a show where you're actually coaching a client 1 on 1? Because I I recommend that strategy to my my clients. Like, offer discounted coaching and say, hey. We're gonna record this. And at the end, I will ask you, are you okay with me releasing this? Because I'm gonna point out what you're doing good. But if there's things you might wanna try differently because usually, it's not your show is bad. It's like you're missing this, or, you know, your audio could be benefited by doing this. I've tried that. I interviewed 2 people, and it wasn't really good content. You know what I mean? It was like, okay. So maybe I'll try that again. Because I wanted to do that for the school of podcasting, have consulting episodes. I thought that would be something different, you know, that whole 9 yards. And then what happens is people like Natalie Eckdahl does bizchix, b I z c h I x. She did interviews for years because, well, that's what everybody did. Right? Start a podcast. You interview entrepreneurs and wasn't driving any

1:05:28 business. And so she started doing solo shows. That helped a little because it really connected her with her audience, but then she offered people discounted coaching. Couple people took it up, and she would just say, here's some things you can do better. Wasn't so much, here's what you're doing right. Here's things you can do better. And she said, all of a sudden, my audience went, oh, that's what coaching is. And she goes, and the floodgates open. So I wanna use that thing, but you need kind of the right person. You know, Rich says, Ask Me Anything by Josh Spector does that. Guest comes and asks him questions. Yeah. I I've actually tried I did an Ask Me Anything, whatever it was, show 700, show 600, and I don't know.

1:06:13 Something went we I mean, they didn't ask bad questions. I just it was, you know, what's the best microphone? Kind of the stuff we do here. Yeah. Yeah. But, anyway, speaking of the awesome supporters. Oh, I've mentioned I I was in the middle of saying this, that Ecamm has a cool option where I can basically go, hey, keep the live stream going over here, but show me the back end over here where I went in. So now when I go to the slide, we're at the first slide because it dawned on me we were on the last slide and I needed to rewind this. So I was able to go, hey, Ecamm, keep doing what you're doing. And I'm gonna go over here and back up these slides so I can now go, hey. If you like to be an awesome supporter, it's super easy. You know, you can do that, and and my slides are now in order. Where before, I would have to go hold on and go to back these up. So that's pretty cool. ECAM ECAM for the win. But this show is brought to you by, speaking of the School of Podcasting, brought to you by the School of Podcasting where you get your courses, you get your coaching, unlimited by the way, and an awesome, awesome community. Use the coupon code coach and save on either a monthly or yearly subscription. I also find out at Podcast Movement, I need to grossly raise my prices. I'm slowly turning into the Walmart of podcasting. This show runs on PodPage. If you wanna check it out, my affiliate link is trypodpage.com. If you wanna learn PodPage, go to learnpodpage.com. And I just mentioned Ecamm. If you're wondering how we're doing all these fun camera switching

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1:09:20 So thanks for all those people. We do appreciate that. The chat room is, you know, we got them going today. John Domingo again. I just bought Hindenburg Pro. And now I'm going through the how do I do that blues. I would pay for an hour of coaching. You know, if you join the School of Podcasting, use the coupon code coach. There's a class on Hindenburg Pro. So and in fact, there's a especially for editors, one of the coolest things is somebody sends you a file, and you were hoping you would get separate files, but doggone it, you didn't. You go into Hindenburg. You have it transcribed, and you name the different people.

1:10:03 So it's, you know, track 1 is your this person when this person's talks, it's Dave. When this person talks, it's Jim. So now Hindenburg knows there are 2 speakers, and you can go take that transcript and that audio and split it into 2 separate tracks. And when I saw that, I was like, that is magic mojo kind of stuff. So now I can, you know, mute the dog barking on Jim's track. All sorts of, stuff. Wait. Did you do this, Jim? Chris is saying you went on social media news live. This coming up. Ah. Next week. There you go. Next week. I'm on. The one and only Jeff was on my Jeff was on Home Gadget Geeks. We talked about the VR stuff, the Apple VR stuff. Vision pro, I think is what they call it. And then, a couple weeks ago, and then well, 5 weeks ago now maybe. I took 3 weeks off, so it's weird how how all of a sudden time can catch up to you.

1:10:56 And then so, yes, I will be on his show. Tough looking forward to it. Talking about being, Rusty. Right? We didn't forget that. It will be interesting. I'm not sure I've taken 3 weeks, but I don't know, in a way. It's usually one here, one there. You know? It felt really good. It it did. It was hard, but it took it felt real and I didn't plan it 3 weeks. It's just I took 1 week off, and then the next week, I was like, I think I wanna take another week off. And then we've I've had a lot of stuff going on personally, and so it was just nice to to have the you know, I have a group that joins me live, and they just say, hey, I'm I'm on a spring break. You know? And they were like, enjoy your time off. It was nice. Well, Jim, are you ready to, run with scissors? I'm going Yes. I'm going to try I'm going to drag a sound bite. Don't stream copyrighted music is what Ecamm is telling me. I'm not well, it's funny that question comes up. But, we got this question from Bread to Perfection with Kenny, tro Troy. And, boy, I really need new glasses. Troiano says, if someone were to mention your name in their podcast, is it okay to take the sound bite and play it on yours?

1:12:00 So, like, if Adam Curry was on decentralized TV and the guy said this this was cool, by the way, in my opinion, except I don't think that's the clip I want. It's not. So we'll fade that out. It's named Adam Curry Says Nice Things, but apparently, that's the whole thing, not just the clip. But Adam Curry said very nice things about me on decentralized TV. And so I went to decentralized TV, which is on the Brighton, Brayton, something with a b network. And when you go there, there are so many squares of shows that they have on this network. And the one thing I could not find, and it kinda drove me nuts, was the button that said contact. Like, nothing. No contact at all. And so I looked and looked and clicked on this, finally found they have their own decentralized I think it's TV, might be dot TV. Found it. Still no contact. So I went to Twitter, found, the host name, said, hey. I saw where Adam was on your show. If I put a link to to your website and to Adam's website, can I play this clip? And I got no reply. And so there are times I don't know if it's legally I'm not a lawyer, nor do I even play 1 on TV. But when Adam Curry says nice things about you, I'm going to play that until somebody tells me not to at this point. I'm I'm going now does that make it right? I did my

1:13:33 due diligence. I did reach out. I will check again today. But, you know, maybe they're not on Twitter, but I don't know. Maybe if you had a contact page You know? Now on the other hand, this might be it's it's big time. If you, if you are not a fan of right wing politics, this is not the website for you. It's so right. It's almost left kind of thing. And Full circle. Yeah. Exactly. Which is fine by me. I don't really care. It just they somebody said, look. If I'm looking to get started, and I just needed simple path to start a podcast, and Adam's like, hold on. Let me interrupt you. I got it. I should have mentioned this guy earlier, Dave Jackson, blah blah blah. And he went on, you know, train more people than I know and yada yada yada. So it was really, really nice because he said that before, but I was sitting next to him. And so the fact that he said it just out of nowhere, I was like, man, that was really cool. I gotta grab that clip. So I don't know what If you if you use it but you tried. That trying doesn't count. Yeah. It doesn't matter. That's not gonna save me in court. That's yeah. It's you could claim fair use, but that's what you would say if they've if legal proceedings was again, I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't Right. Stay at a Holiday Inn Press last night, so this is not legal advice.

1:14:50 If they and then, you know, you listen, it's just if they choose to do something about it. If they if they're like, hey, wait a minute. We didn't give you permission to do this. Then it's then the fight is on. Right? So, you know, you did all the right things. I I would still I'd be hesitant to make sure it was in some places that I could pull it back Yeah. If I needed to. Right? Those kinds of things until you get a 100% permission to be able to Yeah. I'm I'm gonna insert it into the school of podcasting using the dynamic tools in Libsyn so that if they go, hey. Hey. Hey. I can just go take that out of rotation. Never mind. I think he's already left. Craig left us a question here. Would you No. He he's he's already at stake. Oh, okay. I think. Anyways, go ahead. Would you what would you recommend for migrating a podcast website from WordPress to Squarespace?

1:15:44 A, what are you doing on WordPress? Is there ecommerce going on? Is it a lot of a b split? If it's just a website and it's a podcast, and I don't say this because they're they're technically not a sponsor. It's just my affiliate tripodpage.com. I would, if nothing else, put the feed in there. See because you can see what your website would look like. I would move to podpage. Squarespace, Wix what else is out there? There are a few other ones. Elementor now offers hosting. It's been a while since I played with Squarespace. Wix, back when they they remember when they had all sorts of, commercials on and how easy it was to build a website with Wix. And, look, I've you know, I go back to the days of Dreamweaver. I I know my way around building a website. I'm no master guru, but and Wix, I just was like it just seemed like 3 different teams built their platform. Like, this is the one for the blog.

1:16:42 And, like, all of a sudden, the interface would change because I was doing a blog, and then I would go to make something else in the interface. It just seemed I was like, wow. Who designed it? It really looked like 3 different teams built it. Now that may have changed, but that was probably a year ago. Squarespace is pretty. The thing that I found somewhat frustrating with Squarespace is all their templates are for consulting or hotels or restaurants or knickknacks. Like, there was no podcast Squarespace template. And so you're kind of trying to squeeze a podcast into a template that isn't really meant for it. And the other thing that got me out of Squarespace was you know, you're always like, if you do PayPal, right, it's 2.9% plus 30¢.

1:17:33 Well, I I kinda went, wait. That can't be right. Squarespace then tacked on more fees. And I'm like, but I'm already paying it $20 a month. Why are you dinging me on my ecommerce? And their answer was because we can. I would double check that. I haven't played with Squarespace in about 3 years. It's been a while. But and then the other question I would ask is, what are you using on WordPress? Because I'm I'm not a huge fan of WordPress, but in fact, I was laughing. And how old is it? How old is your WordPress instance? Yeah. Because there are some themes that are like I saw somebody the other day that was using there I forget what it was. There was a software you could buy, and you would put in the colors and some artwork, and it would spit out a theme that you would then upload to WordPress. And it it looks very 1994ish.

1:18:27 And I went to somebody's website. I'm like, oh my god. I haven't seen that layout in forever. So the the thing I hate about most WordPress like, I like Elementor. To me, there's, like, Divi, which is what Mark uses when he designs your website, gives you so much insane control over your website that I just go, I don't need that much control. And then there's Gutenberg, which doesn't do enough, at least for me. And then I found Elementor, which is pretty cool. They're very much the 3 bears. It's kind of in the middle. I just hate the fact that with Elementor, Beaver Builder, Divi, some of these site builders that, like, once you go, I'm going with you, you kinda married it. Because if you turn it off, any page you used, unless there's a trick that I don't know of yeah. Larry says I love Elementor. Everybody's like, Elementor? Well, you know, I don't know if I have. It's if you I'm almost gonna guess if you go to support this show dot com /elementor. Yeah.

1:19:26 Everybody's loving Elementor. So that may be Dan says there there's a lot of customizations WordPress can do that Squarespace can't. So migrating can't always work. It depends. And I was laughing last night because I was like, I haven't really played with Elementor in a while. And, oh, good, has that. It's you now have and this is a lot of things I'm seeing in podcasting where they have a core service. Like, here's your Elementor. And for an extra $5 a month, you can go Elementor Pro, and it's just every widget you could think of. Like, I didn't realize I've been looking for the perfect pop up because I hate my pop up on my website. I can make one with Elementor. I was talking with somebody, and he uses quizzes on his website. I go, what are you using to make the quiz? He's like, Elementor. So I was actually thinking of moving the school of podcasting onto PodPage.

1:20:15 And after playing with Elementor, I'm like, I think I just need to spend a weekend, and I could kinda get things where I want to on WordPress. Because I don't wanna get completely off WordPress because that's a good skill to have even though mine is pretty rusty. Jim, what do you I mean, I know you have a pod page for something, but do you have any WordPress sites anymore? Yeah. The the average guy dot tv is all WordPress. Okay. And then I'm using PodPage as just a landing page for, homegadgetgeeks.com. There you go. So It's great. If I had to move, I'd probably move the pod page Yeah. Just to be honest. But because it's low maintenance. If you if you listen. If you if you want to do a lot of things to your website, doesn't matter who you use. They're all they're all lacking. You're you're all gonna write some code. I think that's the the most common complaint I I hear from developers, I used to work with a bunch of them, is they would always say, you know, no matter what, if you're if you can customize them, none of the platforms are easy. If it was easy, everybody would do it. It takes kind of a developer to, you know, to work through some of the problems that you would have on the sites. So, of course, Piepage and Squarespace are kinda designed for the average person or at least that's what they say they are. Right? And so, you know, the heavy customization people are like, oh, I can't customize this stuff. Yeah. It's not designed to be customized. I mean, the developers would say, yes. Just contact me, and we'll figure out how to get it done Right. In some of those cases. But where WordPress was tried literally

1:21:48 tried to be everything to all people. It would try to be, like, hey, one click setup, or you can have 10 clicks setup, or you can have a million clicks setup, you know, kind of thing. And it it it it and then it allowed and this is always the case on open source that it allowed ultimate customizations. There's many anybody could write anything, any plugins, any stuff. Then people, the average the average guy comes to it, and they're like, god, what plugins do I use? Then that you have to start all the about all the plugins Yeah. And all the you're right. And then the a whole ecosystem is built around that, and then there's a few people. I mean, so it's just it's it's insanely difficult. It's insanely difficult. And then you better have a backup. I always tell people, like, if you're using WordPress, and make sure I had a card on I use I think it's WP manager. I have something like that. Whatever it is. And it makes an automatic backup every day because I'm always waiting for the white screen of death. And my card had expired, and they had since not backed up my stuff. And so luckily, Christian over at Maple Grove Partners because I totally wrecked my website one day. And I emailed him, like, dude, this is urgent. The website's just I it's my fault. I clicked the wrong button, and he had me back up on real quick. But, he he has backups. He doesn't he doesn't believe in other he doesn't believe in other people's backups. So would you recommend migrating a pile? That's the first one. He had another question saying, should I here it is.

1:23:19 Would Mark be the person to reach out to help me move off WordPress? Yeah. If you're going off WordPress, I guess, I'm not sure how versed Mark is on Squarespace, but he can definitely help you move. In some cases, I think Mark's working on a service where he'll actually kinda be your like, for a monthly fee. Like, he'll he's gonna have, like, podcast websites where you like it's almost like a template. And then he'll pay you pay him a monthly fee to host it. You'll still own it, but it's it's WordPress based. Because he realizes the WordPress is great. As Jim said, it does everything for everyone, and then you're like, I just need, like, this. So, the chat room's throwing in their things. Dave said I used Thrive Themes, had to get married to it and spend a good amount of money. He says I I use PodPage for my current show only because of our web team is under contract and they don't know podcasting.

1:24:12 PodPage gave me an easy to use, easy to manage platform. And then, Larry says, I push all my clients to PodPage to get them started. And since I've just said PodPage 50,000 times, don't forget tripodpage.com the next time you're signing up. That would be great. That's my affiliate link. Jeff says back in the day, I used to host Tailwinds show. And when we reviewed people's Pinterest pins I think this is a different conversation. People's Pinterest pins, they were the most yes. I have no I I clicked the wrong button. It said wacky chat room. Hello, Jeff. Yeah. Get your comment in. There you go. Well, he's he's one of the kings of Pinterest. I had him on my show talking about Pinterest. So but yeah. So it's it's tough. You know, I like WordPress.

1:24:57 It can do everything in Elementor. It just was one of the things where when I went to make my pop up last night at, like, I don't know, 12:30, I was like, yeah. You know what? If you start this, gonna go to bed at 3 o'clock in the morning because you need to go watch a video. And that's really the key with all website stuff. So as much as they go, it's super easy. Build a website with 3 clicks. You know, the only thing I know that's that easy is, again, PodPage. I've walked somebody through making a website in about 10 minutes. Craigslist, I'll check out with Mark. I'd love to have everything under the Squarespace roof. Well, yeah. It's definitely doable. The the one thing since we mentioned Wix and it's so dumb Wix. Wix Wix has this really Oh my god. Yeah. That and you bring up a good point. Can you can you pay Squarespace to help? Yeah. There there's they should have a team that goes, oh, moving from WordPress, we can help. Yeah. Because I know.

1:25:51 They'd be they'd be motivated to help you. Just I mean, when I moved to Maple Grove Partners, Christian moved me for free. Why wouldn't he? It took him you know, because he's, you know, master guru. It's like, oh, database call, and there it is. You're done. So yeah. I love I love when I work with him. He goes, wait. He just says wait. And then you hear click click click click the keyboard, you know, doing its thing. And then he's like, okay. Check it now. I love that. I love that. Now he brought up a whole point here. I'm nervous about moving my feet over there. I would not move my feet over there. So if you're on Lipson or Podbean or Buzzsprout, uh-uh. Because yeah. In in the same way that, you know, I don't have my dentist fix my car. I don't want Squarespace. They make beautiful websites. Their feeds not so beautiful.

1:26:43 And, yeah. So depending now, if your feed is on WordPress, I would redirect it to my host. That's where I'd I'd be back in the day. Oh, your host might go out of business. Okay. If you're using, you know, Bill's House of Podcast for your host or your yeah. But if don't use those people for your your feed, but I would I would redirect it back to your host. Your host isn't going out of business, and if they do, they'll give you at least a week to, to move it. So and then, somebody says here I realized we gotta wrap up here. Am I gonna be at Podcast Movement Evolutions in 2025? That'll be in Chicago, by the way.

1:27:24 Then, as far as I know, it should be. John Domingo is now a member of the School of Podcasting. Well, hallelujah, buddy. Yeah. Check out the history courses. Was that the bell? Was that the bell, somebody joining School of Podcasting? Don't know. I heard that. It might Let's just say it was. Let's say it was. If not, it was great. Let's say Yeah. And Welcome, John. Yeah. And then somebody says, I humbly applaud Maple Grove for their help in migration. Yep. He's a good guy. Nobody better. There's nobody better on the back end. And He's a me. I know I'm talking about Bill's house of podcasting. Larry says, look. Don't don't attack Bill. He's a good guy. Alright. I won't. Enough attacking on people today, but, Jimmy d's hosting. Yeah. Jimmy d. So, Jim, speaking of, the average guy dot tv, what's come what's coming up? Yeah. Took, I like I said, I mentioned I took 3 weeks off, and I actually have nothing scheduled right now, which is kind of scary and freeing all at the same time, you know. So so this weekend, not only do I need to work on my taxes, but I need to start lining up some guests, for with Aaron Lawrence has been posted. It was super popular. Check it out today. Home gadgetgeeks.com. Yeah. On the school of podcasting, I was gonna play an interview with Katie Brinkley. She's a social media guru. And I think I'm going to do kind of a what I learned at podcast movement kind of thing. Some of the things I liked, some of the things I didn't like, probably a rant on YouTube again, because, you know, those are always fun.

1:28:53 And, just there's a lot I have a cool because of my podcast story, you know, all sorts of little pieces parts, and sometimes I call those like a stew because it's like, here's like 6 things I wanna talk about. None of them are big enough to be an entire episode, so I smoosh them all together. And then, we'll use Katie for the following week. But as always, thank you to the awesome chat room that is here. We are here live every Saturday. Ask the podcast coach.com/live10:30 EST. And, I'm not going anywhere that I know of. I'm go I'm gonna be at, the, mhmm, Content Entrepreneur Expo in Cleveland, but I'm not going as a Libsyn person. I'm that's coming out of my pocket. That's May. So if you're in Cleveland and you're going to that event, let me know. I might even drag you down to Akron for some Luigi's pizza, but that would be a drive.

1:29:45 That'd be like 2 hours an hour down to get pizza and then an hour back. So it'd have to be really good pizza. But, anyway, we will see you next week with another fun filled episode of ask the podcast coach.