Jan. 1, 2025

044 - The Dark Tower with Syn Pt. 7- Book VII

044 - The Dark Tower with Syn Pt. 7- Book VII
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Season 2

Syn and I had to take a couple of months away from the Dark Tower, but now we're back. You can listen to this episode here or wait until New Year's Day when it officially releases on whatever your favourite podcatcher is. Thank you for listening!

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You're listening to the Weird Reader podcast, an extension of

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Jason's Weird Reads found on YouTube. Welcome, Hello, and welcome

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to Weird Reads, episode forty four. And you've been waiting

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for it. Some people have actually said, you know, are

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you guys going to do that or have you given

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it up? We didn't give up. We took a break,

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and it was a well needed break, especially since some

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of the things that were going on within Courrerent events.

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We just didn't really want to have to think too

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hard about something that was going to crush us even

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further than we were already crushed. And of course I'm

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joined by Sin and we are here to talk about

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the Dark Tower by Stephen King, which is named the

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same as the series, so that makes it kind of difficult.

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But it's book seven of the Dark Tower series. How

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you doing, Sam?

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Not too bad? Looking forward to discussing this one. This

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was quite the should I say ending slash beginning?

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Yeah, it was definitely. I mean, you know, we'll get

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to that, but I just want to say right up front,

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I kind of loved that. Yeah, it was interesting. So

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before we get into that, you know, we're recording this

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right in the middle of the two big holidays of

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the year, Christmas and New Year's we're like smack dab

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in the middle. How are your holidays going so far?

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Not too bad? Christmas was as small. We went to

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my parents, me and my partner, and then it was

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my mom, dad and then my uncle, so pretty pretty chill.

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And then me and my partner exchanged Christmas presents. He

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got me this like fermentation kit. I wanted I make

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pickles and stuff, but I wanted to try this other

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type of fermenting which is called like lacto fermentation, which

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is basically just like water and salt to make like

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sour groud and stuff. So for me, I was excited

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about that. And then what else? Oh, so just a

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bunch of gardening stuff for the most part that I

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wanted for the garden.

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Awesome.

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And I got him tools and drill bits or router

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bits not drill bits, and some other stuff.

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Does your partner read yes.

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Well more, not a ton, but four books this year,

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which is great for him.

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Well that's that's better than nothing, right, Yeah, yeah, Do

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you have any big plans for New Year's Eve or

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anything like that?

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No, I'll probably read something.

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Speaking of reading, have you been reading a lot during

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the do you get first of all, do you get

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much of a holiday like time off, because I'm on

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like two weeks off now, And do you get a

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lot of reading done during this time period?

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No, A little bit, not a lot. I think I've

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read like thirty pages. I started reading one of the

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books I was supposed to read during the Cryptid read

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its on. It was the second book in the Lock

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series by Seton Stock. But I'm not very far in. Yeah,

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how about you? Have you gotten much done?

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I've actually been reading a lot more than I usually

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do during this time year, or even when I have

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time off. It's funny you take like a couple of

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weeks off from work and you're like, I'm going to

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get all this reading done, and then you don't. But

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this time, I'm not reading as much as I usually do,

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but I'm still like reading a fair amount. I just

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finished The Shining by Stephen King, which was fun, and

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I'm reading Shadow Manner. I think it's called by Cantas Nola, Okay,

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and that one. That one's pretty dreary and it almost

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fits the season, even though it takes last summer. Yeah,

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it's a lot of rain and stormy weather.

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I've been hitting up the Oh yeah, I was gonna say,

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I've just I've been hitting up used bookstores and thrift

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stores and finding Stephen King books. I have Hearts in

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Atlanta's for fifty cents at the thrift store the other day.

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Yeah, I saw you post that somewhere. That's a good book.

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If this is going to come up later, actually, have

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you read Hurts in Atlantas?

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No, I'm trying to gather all the Stephen King books

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that are like the bigger tie ins to the Dark Tower.

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I still need to get Eyes of the Dragon, but

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I have. I have The Stand now, and I'm going

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to reread Salem's Lot and I'm gonna read Insomnia. That's

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like I don't know if you can kind of.

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See yeah there, I have it too. You can probably

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see it right there.

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Oh yeah, yeah absolutely, And uh yeah, I just kind

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of want to read after we finish The Wind in

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the key Hole, when we get to that one, I

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want to dive deeper into the madness that is the

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Dark Tower.

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Yeah, me too. I'm I also, uh, I want to

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read The Stand because of there is a tie in,

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as we've discussed, but there's also an anthology coming out

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in the summer of stand inspired stories that Stephen and

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Brian Keene is like editing it along with I can't

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remember the exact details, but I know there's a lot

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of authors in there that I love.

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So yeah, stories for the End of the World or something.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so that's going to be awesome. So

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so that that was like a really kind of unintentional

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segue into our book seven. Here we finally made it,

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sin we're here. I know, it's crazy, you know, there

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was times when I thought like, just when you're halfway through,

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You're just like, oh my god, is it ever gonna

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like are we ever going to find out when or

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what the tower is? And of course we find out,

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but we don't get there without some you know, heartbreak

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and whatnot.

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Yeah, a lot of it.

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Yeah. So this time, I'm I'm going to uh do

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what I usually do. I thought about changing things up,

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but I was like, why change things up when when

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we've been doing it this way the whole time? Yeah. Yeah,

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So I'm going to be reading from the WEEKI synopsis

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and then we'll discuss a little bit. So here is

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the beginning of this episode or book seven So the

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book begins where book six left off, with Jake Chambers

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and Father Callahan battling the evil infestation within the Dixie Pig.

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It's a vampire lounge in New York City featuring roast

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human flesh and doors to other worlds. Sounds like a

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great place, five star restaurant, ye after Yeah, and you

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know babies are their specialty.

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Yeah, by the tenderest of white mates. I don't know.

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Yeah. After fighting off and destroying numerous low men and

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Type one vampires, Callahan sacrifices himself to let Jake survive.

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So so we start this pretty much like It's almost

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like the last book didn't even end. We just go

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right yeah, oh, guns blazing, and we also have our

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first death in the Ka Tet. He was the latest victim. Yeah,

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well yeah kind of. He was the latest member to

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join the Ka Tet and and he's the first to go.

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I really enjoyed Father Callahan's You just said that you

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have read Salem's Lot, right.

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That was the first King book I ever read. I

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was probably twelve or thirteen years old, so way too young.

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But that's why I want to reread it, especially after

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reading The Dark Tower, because there's such a huge tie in,

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and just to revisit it because I remember I liked it.

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I mean, that was my toe into this world.

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I reread it during between these episodes here between books

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six and seven, and Father Callahan's role is is kind

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of small, but it's an interesting one. It's interesting. I

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think that King decided to use him here, and I

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have to wonder, like, like why Callahan?

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Why any of the characters, Like what's I know that

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in the Stand Randall Flagg, who is Walter, is one

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of the the main people. And then in Insomnia, isn't

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the artist? What's his name? Is it Peter? I forget

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the artist's name. I have it written down, but is

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he a kid in Insomnia?

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I don't remember, but that's possible. I'm going to be

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rereading it soon. I've read Insomnia, like I can't remember.

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I think it was like fifteen twenty years ago at

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the most. Yeah, and all I remember are two old

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people and those doctors snipping off things. So yeah, I

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don't know, but it's going to be interesting. Yeah, So

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what did you did? Were you sad to see Callahan go?

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I didn't want him to die, but you kind of

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knew it was coming somebody.

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Had, Yeah, I mean, how else would Jake be able

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to go on if he didn't? And it was sad,

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but it was also like a redemptive story for him

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with his character arc, how he lost his faith but

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he got it, had it back in the end, and

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then he didn't, you know, fall to the vampires because

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he would have become a vampire. Yeah, absolutely, I would

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have sucked.

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Yeah, he decided to end it himself. He uh, he

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took or actually I think Jake gave him his luger,

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his father's, and he ended up using that gun on

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himself to end it, which he did that so he

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didn't become a vampire, which you know, I guess considering

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he fought them for so long, that would have sucked.

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Yeah. Yeah, to run and run and run and then

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finally have him turned you into on that, Yeah, that

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would have been.

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A They probably would have tortured him too, if you

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think about it. They would have had fun with him

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being you know, we made this guy who killed so

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many of our kind into a vampire, so let's bury

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him alive and see. Yeah, see how he likes that. Yeah,

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that wouldn't be cool either, all right, continuing on here

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in the other world Fedic Mia. Her body is now

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separated from Susannah Dean's, and she gives birth to Mordred

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de Shane. Mordredd' shane is the biological son of Roland

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Shane and Susan, and the Crimson King is also a

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co father of this child, giving baby Mordred's the ability

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to shape shift into a spider creature, which he does,

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then feasting on his birth mother, which was quite the scene.

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That scene, Oh my god. Okay, Susannah shoots but fails

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to kill Mordrid, but she does take off one of

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his spider legs. She eliminates other agents of the Crimson

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King and escapes to meet up with Jake at the

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cross dimensional door beneath the Dixie Pig, which connects to

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Fedik maturing at an accelerated rate. Mordred later stalks Roland

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and the gun Slingers or the Katet throughout this adventure,

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shifting from human to spider as the need arises, seething

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with an instinctive rage towards Roland, his white daddy. So

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what'd you think of that birthing scene? That was pretty

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intense and crazy.

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Yeah, it was pretty intense, and then you know, Mordred's

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are hungry or whatever they say, you know, yeah, he

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just wants to eat He's a growing spider baby boy. Yeah,

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that was kind of a crazy scene with the weird

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Taheen doctors that were like half somewhere half were at

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some are half bird yeah, an aoid type creature people.

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I don't know what to call them.

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Yeah. Yeah, the whole scene was just weird. But when

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he starts changing into a spider and then starts devouring

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his mother, I had to like back up and go

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listen to that again because I was like, did I

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hear this right? Or am I going insane?

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Yeah? Yeah, Then once all that calms down and then

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Walter goes to talk to him with his thinking cap

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on or whatever was that shortly after that? Or am

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I jumping ahead too much?

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You're jumping ahead a bit. But okay, we'll get to

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that in a minute. But yeah, that part's pretty pretty

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interesting too.

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Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, well they thought too. I mean,

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they kind of alluded to the fact that the baby

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might kill or try to eat Susannah, So yeah, it

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wasn't too much of a surprise that he like turned

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from a I was surprised he turned to a spider.

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I wasn't really expecting that. I don't know what I

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was expecting. Just like it, you know.

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Yeah, spiders are a thing that keep repeating in Stephen

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King's universe. I I have to wonder if he's afraid

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of spiders or what.

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I hate. I hate them not so much in real life,

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but more like video games, movies, books, because they're always giant.

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They're not, you know, just like little guys spinning a

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web or just chilling in the corner. They're like out

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to get you. They want to eat you and spin

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you in a web and keep you for later and

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slowly digest you. And I'm not into that.

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No, no, no, creepy no. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so Susannah,

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she escaped. This part kind of happened quick, but she's

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she fails it. She's out of there. Yeah, shooting too,

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which was fun to watch. Going back to Mardred though,

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I really enjoy how he grows, like he's growing really fast.

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Have you read much Anne Rice at all? Like The Witching,

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the Witching Hour series, The Mayfair with Oh.

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I also read Anne Rice very Young. I read Interview

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with the Vampire and then I read The Vampire Less Stott,

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and then I tried reading the Mayfair Is it the

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Mayfair Witches?

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Yeah? Yeah, I tried reading.

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Those and maybe I was too young because I found

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them insanely boring. I might have been like twelve or thirteen,

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and I just there were large books and I thought

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they were too over descriptive and boring. But maybe I'd

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like him.

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Now you might, you might. But there's a creature in

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there called the Taltos that grows really quickly. They drink

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like a crazy amount of milk and they grow really fast,

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but they're more human like, they don't change into spiders.

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But it made me think of Teltos and and I

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just think that would be creepy. Every time you see

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this thing, it's like it's like five years older, you know,

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like yeah, for real? All right? So next up in Maine,

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Roland and Eddie recruit John Cullum and then make their

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way back to Fedick, where the catet is now reunited. Yay.

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Walter o'dim known in other stories as Randall Flagg, plans

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to slay Mordred. So this is the part you were

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talking about. Yeah, yeah, and he wants to use the

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birthmark on Mordred's heel to gain access to the tower,

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but he is easily slain and eaten by the infant

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when Mordred sees through his lies.

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So thinking cap didn't work.

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No, because that that's kind of arrogant of him, I

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think in a sense, right, yeah, he's undermining the power

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of this thing. But I also felt I felt that

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Randall Flagg or Walter he died a little too soon.

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It felt like, but when you think about it, they

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did you feel the same way. Like when he was dead,

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I was like, that's it, Like there's no big gunfight

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or something.

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Yeah, because I really thought there'd be a showdown with

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him and Roland, like Mordred eats him. And I was like,

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but it was supposed to be him and Roland that

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fought it out, But maybe not, maybe just random Flya

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got too greedy. Yeah, he got too big for his breches.

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Absolutely, he wanted too.

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Much, and then he took a wrong turn at Mordred's more.

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I don't know. I was trying to say Albuquerque and

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combine Albuquerque and Mordred and it didn't work out.

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Yeah, I don't know how you do that. Yeah, that

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would work more drid. I like that.

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Then it became food.

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I remember thinking, I remember being disappointed, and I was

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like thinking the same way you you were. There should

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have been a showdown between him and uh and Roland.

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But thinking about the series, I think it's the first

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book that makes the Man in Black Walter or Randall

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Flagg into something he's not. He's a preck and he's

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a bad guy, but he's not the main bad guy,

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but he it seems like he is, and you sort

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of have this feeling throughout the whole thing that he's Yeah. Yeah,

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so I think maybe it was just the build up

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was too much for him in a sense. I don't know.

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But uh, because the Crimson King, I guess the Crimson

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King is the main bad guy, but he's been trapped

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on the balcony this whole series.

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He's like chilling.

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Wait yeah yeah, and I know everyone served him, but yeah,

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Walter did feel like he was the main bad guy.

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So yeah, it was I guess just it didn't have

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the fireworks in explosions that maybe.

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Maybe it was a little more. Yeah, yeah, I thought so.

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So.

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Yeah, I'm so hungry, you know, he's a growing baby.

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He's got to eat. Yeah, I was really excited to see, Uh,

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John Collum back from book book six. Uh, he was

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from that gunfight in the gas station and the guy

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who owns that gas station. He makes a return later too,

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but I didn't I didn't add him into the notes.

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Here, but either he didn't feel that No.

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Later on though, it's funny when he sees Roland again,

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his gas station is going to get shot up again.

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But yeah, so John Collins back, and he's so I

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don't know, he's so trusting of what Roland and Ellen,

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I mean, Roland and Eddie tell him some pretty crazy

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things and and he's just like, Okay, let's do this. Yeah,

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I don't do you think that maybe he's just like

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Caw influenced, or it's maybe he's just older and retired

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and has nothing to do so might as well. Yeah both,

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I think both.

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I think he was at the point in his life

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where he had lived a long and experienced life and

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the prospect of one last Hurrah adventure maybe sounded interesting

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to him to try to get these guys together to

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form the the combination of the tech and the dental corporation.

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Yeah. I like the strategies they got to protect that land,

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because what they want him to do is they want

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him to go, uh and purchase that land and then

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basically protect it and I think build around it, because

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later on we see we see what it becomes and

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there's building and they have the rose all protected and everything,

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which is pretty cool. But it's, you know, it's relatively

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small considering how much focus was on that in the

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last two books, actually even three books whenever it was

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first introduced, and they're like, we got to buy this

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land so we can protect the rose. Yeah, and then

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they're like, okay, we'll just get John Colin to go

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buy it with our money and and he'll protect it.

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And he does, and it's a tie up. But in

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a sense, I think it kind of lacked a little

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bit of oomph as well. But I'm glad that we

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didn't get too too far into that because that could

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have got boring.

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I think it made sense that he would be the

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one to go do it, though, because like, who the

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heck else would do it. I don't feel like Roland

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and Eddie could waste their time with all that financial.

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Yeah, yeah, they don't have the time, right.

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Yeah, It's like I gotta save the world, you know, yeah.

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It's still got to be taken care of though, Yes, Yeah,

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and I really like that the Kattet is reunited here,

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but it felt kind of bittersweet because, yeah, all this time,

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they're like throughout the almost the entire series, once we

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met a character, their death was like foreshadowed in one

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way or another, and so you never know who's gonna die.

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So we're in book seven now, and you get this

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feeling that this is the last time they're gonna reunite,

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because there's been a few splitting ups and then reunitings, right, yeah,

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and so it was cool to see them get together,

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but you're like, this is this is the last time,

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isn't it? Yeah, which, which was you know, kind of bothersome.

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Yeah. Well, you take a journey with these people for

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seven books. It took over the course of a year

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for us to read. They became friends along the way,

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and it's like saying goodbye old friends. Yeah.

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Absolutely, And I forgot to mention this in the beginning,

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But we're getting to parts now where serious spoilers ahead.

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You know, we're not we're not we're not tearing this

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book apart and analyzing it. We're just talking about the

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plot points, and we're spoiling the hell out of hell

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out of it. But I've given this warning at the

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beginning of each episode up until now, so so yeah,

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you know what you're in for. We're getting into where

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where bad things start to happen and good things. Yeah,

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so just be forewarned. If you haven't read these books,

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I highly recommend that you go read them and then

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come back and listen to these episodes. All right, so Roland.

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Next up Roland and his catat They travel to Thunderclap,

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then to the nearby de Our Toy to help a

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group of psychics known as Breakers, who are allowing their

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telepathic abilities to be used to break away at the

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beams that support the tower. Ted Bradagan and Dinky Earnshaw

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assists the gun Slingers with information and weapons and reunite

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Roland with his old friend Seemi from ages. The gun

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Slingers free the Breakers from their captors, but Eddie is

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wounded after the battle and dies a short while later.

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Roland and Jake paused Morn and then jump to Maine

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of nineteen ninety nine along with Oi in order to

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save the life of Stephen King, whom he writes a

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secondary character. He's a character in the book. The cats

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At have come to believe that the success of their

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quest depends on King surviving to write about it through

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his books. So before we get to the terrible things,

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what was your what was your reaction to seeing SHEMI again?

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Oh, it brought it here to my eye. Oh yeah, yeah,

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I didn't expect that at all.

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Neither.

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How old would he be because Roland's got to be

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like a thousand years old. I don't really know what

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the timeframe is, and time is weird in this, so

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he could be forty or he could be, like he

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could be.

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A thousand years old too.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was definitely surprise.

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I don't know if you remember this at all, and

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I could be wrong. My memory could be false here,

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but I remember at the end of Wizard and Glass,

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Siemi wanders off after Suzanne dies, and there was like

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reports of him traveling and then possibly dying. I don't

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know if I remember that, because it wasn't said specifically

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that that happened. It was just sort of assumed.

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Yeah. I remember, like like he was really upset and

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I think he left. I don't remember much.

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Yeah, so he must have just wandered off. Maybe my

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own brain came up with him getting shot. I don't

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I don't know, but uh, I was so glad to

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see him back, like like it was like seeing an

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old friend again, you know. Yeah, a particularly friendly one

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that everyone loves. He has an interesting power too, He

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can take people to different places with the power of

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his mind. But there there comes like a serious consequence

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to this. Yeah, so he has like a seizures and

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his brain bleeds when he does it. But Roland plans

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on using him anyway, which is interesting. It's an interesting

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contrast because Roland loves Shemi and he's so excited to

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see him, and he knows that what he needs him

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to do is going to hurt him and possibly kill him,

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but he plans on using him anyway.

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I mean, same with everyone else in his content, Like, yeah,

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they all know, and they all know what they signed

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up for. I don't know if she really knew what

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he signed up for, but he was willing to do it.

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He would have did anything for Roland.

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So you're right, because they did ask him, like and

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he was like, I'll do it, you know.

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Yeah, they weren't. It was their choice. So yeah, I

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don't know.

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Yeah, where they are too is kind of an interesting place.

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De Vartoi is like it's a prison and they're there

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to do a job, and that's to break the uh

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the break the beam that that protects the dark Tower.

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But the interesting part is that it's it's very pleasant

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for them to do, so it's almost like a drug

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that they're kind of addicted to, and like all they

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have to do is like solve puzzles and play games

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on computers or whatever, and that that like breaks the

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beams after a while, I guess. But this isn't really

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like a prison, even though it is. They have like

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some of the weirdest things going on here, like the

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the the yeah, the virtual assimilated sex, so they could

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have sex with anyone in like an assimilation.

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Yeah, and it booze yeah, and drugs whatever they want.

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Yeah, And it kind of goes into some weird detail.

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It's like maybe maybe Stephen King watched was watching a

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lot of Star Trek Next Generation or something that's the

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time and was having fantasies.

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I don't know, ye, who knows, mm hmmm, yeah. What

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do they call it? Algols algooles sianto blue heaven.

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Yeah, they called it Blue Heaven. Yeah, and that that

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that's fitting. I wouldn't mind being there, honestly. Maybe.

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I mean they seem to like it, the Breakers, because

470
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.440
in the normal world, they didn't seem like they didn't

471
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:57.480
really feel like they had a purpose, and breaking the

472
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.920
beams made them feel exhilarated and like I had a purpose.

473
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:06.640
So it was yeah, yeah, to see what happened when

474
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.920
they were liberated.

475
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.240
I was. I was really happy to see Ted Broddigan

476
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.240
there because that's that's where I was going to ask

477
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:19.039
you about Hearts in Atlantis. He was a character in

478
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.599
that in the first because Hearts in Atlantis is like

479
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:25.440
a collection of novella's and I think a couple of

480
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:30.480
short stories, and Ted Broddigan plays one of the main

481
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.920
characters in the first story, and that's a story that

482
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.200
the story is called Low Men and Yellow Coats. Oh okay, Yeah,

483
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:41.400
it's totally tied to the Tower, and I love that story.

484
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.000
It's one of my favorites by Stephen King Nice, So

485
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:50.039
it was interesting seeing him again. There's there's something interesting

486
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:53.160
though about two other characters who are you know, they're

487
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.440
basically the bad guys here, but you can't help but

488
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.359
feel bad for them anyway. I mean, yeah, they're doing

489
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.519
terrible things. They're they're they're sort of in the lead position.

490
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.759
The warden who is Pimley Prentice, yeah, and the chief

491
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:14.839
of security who is Finley Otago. Yeah, they're they're there

492
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.759
to make sure everything gets done. So they're trying to

493
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:23.880
destroy the universe, right, everything. But they're good friends. They're

494
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.359
like best friends. They love each other in that way,

495
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:31.519
and they're if they weren't doing this horrible thing, they'd

496
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:32.519
probably be okay people.

497
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:39.599
Yeah, to be honest, they messed up situation.

498
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.079
Yeah, and it's their friendship honestly. That kind of lead

499
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.119
and the battle when the battle happens, because of course

500
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:53.000
the battle is going to happen because Roland and Eddie

501
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.279
and the Katet they decide, you know, they're gonna they're

502
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.480
gonna take out, They're gonna take this place out. They're

503
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:01.839
gonna stop operation. They know they're gonna have to kill

504
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:06.240
people like pim Lee and Finley, which sounds funny when

505
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.200
you put them together like that, Pimley and Finley, Yeah,

506
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.160
but uh yeah, so they're gonna take like those types

507
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:18.440
of guys out and they have Ted Brodigan shows them

508
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.880
a room full of like wicked ass weapons, Like what

509
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.480
are they waiting? Like, is this like for the army

510
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:25.799
or on?

511
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.599
Yeah, I don't, I don't know, but it's that was

512
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.359
even lightsabers there.

513
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.599
Yeah. Well we even see those snitches again later on. Yeah,

514
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.680
which is crazy, but yeah, so it's their friendship. If

515
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.000
they didn't care for each other and the way they

516
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.480
that they did, Eddie might not have died because to

517
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.799
get to the lowdown how any Eddie dies. They attack

518
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.519
the facilities and they take down the operation and after

519
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.640
the battle they're standing around celebrating the Ka tet are

520
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.240
tet and I forget which one it is, it's either

521
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.720
Pimley or Finley. But one of them gets shot dead

522
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.000
the other one gets gets injured, and because they saw

523
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.039
their friend die and they're still alive, they take a

524
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.759
shot at the Ka Tet and it hits Eddie in

525
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.000
the head, and of course he he survives for a while,

526
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.119
but then he does die long.

527
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.119
Enough to tell Jake about Dandelo.

528
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.720
Yeah, dandeloone. We're all like at this point, it's like,

529
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:33.839
what the fuck is Dandalo?

530
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.279
Like, I thought it was two different things before it

531
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:38.480
ended up being what it.

532
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.079
Was Yeah, I was confused. I was like, why are

533
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:47.160
we getting more information now here? It's getting frustrating, mister King.

534
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.960
So how did Eddie's death affect you? Because it kind

535
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.559
of I knew something was coming, I just didn't know

536
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.680
who for sure, and then when it happened Eddie, I

537
00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:58.000
was like, oh, not Eddie.

538
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:05.559
Yeah. I wasn't sad until like the when everyone said

539
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.359
goodbye to them in the room. I was like, I

540
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.599
knew someone was going to die, I didn't know who

541
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:16.720
it was, and then like, I didn't cry until he

542
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.680
was saying his goodbyes to everyone, and then I was

543
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:21.640
sad about it.

544
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.799
That was sad. I was listening to a podcast that

545
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.440
was discussing this death and they I think it was Kingslingers,

546
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.599
and they said something that was quite spot on that

547
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.519
it's not the fact that the character dies that makes

548
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.240
you sad, it's how the other characters react to that. Yeah,

549
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.480
that makes you sad. And this is pretty much every

550
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.279
this and everything else is exactly that.

551
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:48.119
Yeah.

552
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.599
Yeah, it's so sad because you see their love for

553
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:57.039
them and you see now their grief and uh and

554
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.160
how their process is, how they're processing it, like immediately

555
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.640
after right it's it's awesome. Yeah, and that's what you

556
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:10.160
identify with, I guess, and it was. It was kind

557
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:14.319
of hard because I listened to Eddie's getting shot while

558
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:19.160
driving to work one day and then and then I

559
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:25.799
experienced Jake's passing later that same night, so I listened

560
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.480
to it because I was listening to it. So I

561
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.240
listened to a huge chunk, fairly huge chunk there, and

562
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:34.279
let me tell you, it really ruined my mood, Like

563
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.160
it kind of ruined my day, honestly.

564
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:39.880
Yeah.

565
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.640
All right, So after that battle, they realize do you

566
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.839
remember how they came to this realization? It's like on

567
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:49.599
the tip of my tongue, but they realized that they

568
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.839
got to go and save Stephen King from being hit

569
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:53.279
by the van.

570
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:57.000
Now they came to the realization.

571
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:02.160
Uh, if you don't remember, that's fine because I'm just

572
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:04.039
I'm kind of drawing a blank here.

573
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.320
It was just hard the whole thing. From the beginning.

574
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.679
It was like they needed to have John Cullum go

575
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.440
get the corporations together, and they needed to save King,

576
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:17.119
like those were the two things that they.

577
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.360
And they needed to stop the beams from being broken.

578
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.920
And so they got two out of three done. There

579
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.039
was two more things they had to do, though, and

580
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.880
one of them was saved King and there was another option,

581
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.320
but they decided that saving King was was bigger. I

582
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.679
think the the other one was going to the tower.

583
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.920
Yeah, like if they didn't save King, like there would

584
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:37.639
be no.

585
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.480
I don't know, yeah, I don't know.

586
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.960
Like the beams saved the worlds and kept the world existing,

587
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.480
and if Stephen King wasn't saved, I don't know what

588
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.480
those characters ceased to exist. Would the their dimension go away?

589
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.480
I don't know if I think it was.

590
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.079
If the writer the creator, absolutely I think I think

591
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.119
it would be like Stephen King's universes would all go away,

592
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.039
because he's creator of these, right.

593
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.719
Yeah.

594
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.280
Yeah, we get into that when we get to the tower,

595
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.519
because the Tower is very interesting, but there's some some

596
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.679
really interesting things going on there. But so they decide

597
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.559
they're going to go and save Stephen King from being

598
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.239
hit by a van. So this is where they end

599
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.079
up at that gas station again, that convenience.

600
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.760
Story, and Welln's mad about it too. Yeah, Stephen King

601
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:30.440
is lazy.

602
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.840
He's pissed at Stephen King, like really pissed on him.

603
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:36.039
He kind of hates them. What did you think of that?

604
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.880
Because I was like, this is interesting. He's really putting

605
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.480
a lot on Stephen King here, well.

606
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.000
Because the fact they have to take time out of

607
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.679
trying to save the world and going to save him too,

608
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.880
when he should have been on over the whole time

609
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.519
writing these books and characters instead of writing Hearts in Atlantis. Instead,

610
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:57.960
he was here running away from the Dark Tower the

611
00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.760
whole time. Silverland is mad about it.

612
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.599
Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, So this is where we

613
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.519
meet Irene. She's an interesting care she's another character sort

614
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.280
of like John Collum. She decides that she's just gonna

615
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.719
she's gonna do this, and it's kind of obvious, like

616
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:20.000
she's bored. Yeah, she's definitely bored. She wants the thrill

617
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.079
because she drives them to go look for Stephen King

618
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:27.960
and they go to his house and he's not there,

619
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.519
and so they're like, Okay, where is he? We got

620
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:33.760
to go find him. So they kind of know where

621
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.360
he walks, and so they start heading out to look

622
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.480
for him. But she's like speeding along and she's getting

623
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:44.280
a thrill at that kind of money. So Jake, it's

624
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.199
as they get close, Oh, I need to mention. Also

625
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.079
this this is part of the.

626
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.519
Yeah, her husband was part of Positronics.

627
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:56.760
Oh yeah, you know what I forgot all about that.

628
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.800
Yeah, I thought that was an interesting staying.

629
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.719
Yeah, for sure, but this snopsis really failed in this

630
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.159
in this part because there's so much going on. We

631
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.519
also get we also get introduced to Brian Smith, who's

632
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:17.079
the guy who hit Stephen King. Yeah, he's like, none

633
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.000
of this is really mentioned in here, but he's like,

634
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.440
if you've ever read up on the accident, then all

635
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:26.800
the details are here. Like, if you ever want to

636
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:28.760
know more about it, you just read this book and

637
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.159
you'll get like a pretty good detail. You also get

638
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.599
Stephen King reading or sorry, writing from from the point

639
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.559
of view of Brian Smith, which that was interesting because

640
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.280
I think, yeah, I think he did this for some therapy. Honestly, See,

641
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.280
he paints them in a pretty bad light, but it

642
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.880
could have been a lot worse. Like he paints him

643
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.800
to be an idiot, and he is was because he

644
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.800
paid he passed away, but uh, he was a bit

645
00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.000
of an idiot for sure, So maybe he's just being fair.

646
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.960
I don't know. But Brian Smith is driving down the

647
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.320
road in the van and he's got some stakes in

648
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:12.840
his cooler that his two Doberman's are trying to get into,

649
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.559
and instead of pulling over on the side of the

650
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.440
road like any responsible driver would do, as Stephen King

651
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:24.360
points out, he turns away from the wheel and tries

652
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.880
to take care of things that way, And of course

653
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.039
this is how Stephen King gets hit by the van.

654
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.920
Now in this turn of events, though it is Jake

655
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:38.119
who saves Stephen kinks the band hitting him could have

656
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:40.519
been maybe even should have been a lot worse than

657
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.280
it was, even though it nearly killed him. But Jake

658
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.800
jumps out of the car that they're driving in. I

659
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.199
think it's a band too, isn't it. That's that Irene's driving.

660
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:51.880
Is it a truck?

661
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:53.360
I don't remember.

662
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.000
I can't remember.

663
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.199
I thought they took the guy the store that Roland

664
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.599
had shot up when he returned there. The Oh yeah,

665
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.440
they went, and they took the owner's truck, and Irene

666
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.559
drove it because neither Jake nor Roland knew how to

667
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.559
drive a truck. I think it was a truck.

668
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.079
But Jake jumps out of the truck and pushes King

669
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.519
out of the way. Stephen King still gets hit, but

670
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:19.880
it's not as bad as it could have been, and

671
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:24.400
instead Jake takes the brunt of the hit and uh

672
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.639
and he's the next to die. So Roland is heartbroken

673
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:34.440
with this loss. He I think it's it's it's well

674
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:40.599
developed at the beginning of this book that Roland thinks

675
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:43.800
of Jake as his adoptive son and Jake thought of

676
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:46.960
him as his adopted father too. There's even a part

677
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.199
when they when they reunited earlier, that they call each

678
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.800
other father and son and Roland was like, are you

679
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.320
okay with that? And Jake's like, yes, this is just

680
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:58.320
the way it is. And so that was sweet. But

681
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:03.360
that makes this part even harder because Jake gets rolled

682
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.519
over and the way he kind of perish, with the

683
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.639
way he dies is is kind of fucked up too,

684
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.519
because Roland goes to him right away and he lifts

685
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.159
up his shirt and his chest is just not it

686
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:19.400
doesn't look right at all, like he knows that Jake

687
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.400
isn't gonna make it. But Jake is is still awake,

688
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:26.440
and he's like he's passing off information to Irene because

689
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:30.920
Roland is busy with Stephen King and also Brian Smith.

690
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.639
I think he also passed off information to OI.

691
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:40.679
Yeah, yeah he does, because he tells OI that he

692
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.920
needs to do something, and he gives them some pretty

693
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.159
detailed instructions on that as well. But it's always a

694
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.719
reaction that broke my heart this time, always like cowling,

695
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.679
and I'm like, oh, that's just so freaking sad, Like

696
00:40:58.280 --> 00:40:59.639
why do we have to through this?

697
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.480
Yeah?

698
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:06.440
So yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

699
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.400
I was just gonna say I was. I was looking

700
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.199
for a T shirts that had OI on them on

701
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.599
the internet and there's not any that are really that great,

702
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.840
but there was one that just said I ache, and

703
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.480
I was like, oh I ache.

704
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:25.880
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that is sad because later on, uh,

705
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:32.719
when Roland is burying Jake, that's what OI says. You

706
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.559
don't know if he's saying like I'm Jake or if

707
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:40.039
he's saying I hurt because of Jake's death, and you

708
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.079
kind of figure that he means that, yeah he hurt. Yeah,

709
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:50.840
and that's that's sad too. So after that grim business,

710
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.199
do you remember what the instructions were to Oi that

711
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:56.079
that Jake gave to him.

712
00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:59.000
I think it was about the whole washout for Dandelone,

713
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:03.800
and it was yes, that was it. Yeah, and Mordred

714
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.039
to just to protect Roland so that he could get

715
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:07.320
to the.

716
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:16.519
Yeah. Yeah, and before leaving to bury Jake. Though after

717
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:22.239
Jake passes, he has to uh erase the memories of

718
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.920
Stephen King and and Brian Smith. He's like, we weren't here,

719
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.519
you didn't see us, you see.

720
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:26.760
Uh.

721
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.880
He hypnotizes them as he does. I still get a

722
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.480
kick out of that first time he hypnotized Stephen King

723
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.400
in the last book, and he's like, Stephen King's like, oh,

724
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.679
my brother tried to hypnotize me when I was a

725
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.639
kid and it didn't work. And then boom, He's hypnotized.

726
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:43.639
Immediately.

727
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:55.199
So uh so yeah, they they end up Oi and

728
00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:01.039
and uh and Roland. Uh they are excuse me here,

729
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:09.119
I've lost my spot. So they have to return to Susannah.

730
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.400
So he em FedEx via the Dixie Pigs. So after

731
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.440
paying a visit to the Tech Corporation, they are chased

732
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.159
through the depths of Castle Discordia by an otherworldly monster,

733
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:25.480
then depart and travel for weeks across freezing bad lands

734
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:29.079
toward the Tower. I found that the freezing part was

735
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.960
interesting because they they almost die a couple of times

736
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.079
of like hypothermia, and starvation.

737
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.079
Yeah, that monster. I thought that was Dandalo because it

738
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:44.239
was in the bottom down below of Castle Discordia. So

739
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.440
I was like, that had to be it. That had

740
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:47.880
to be Dandalo.

741
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.199
You know what. I thought the same thing, but yeah,

742
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.199
but it was never really mentioned and when it was done,

743
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.719
it was done right. Yeah, So I was like, Okay,

744
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.239
I can't be it. What's the because they do mention

745
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.000
Dandelo here and there, like be aware of Dandelo and like,

746
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:12.400
what's Dandalo? But we learn about that because along the

747
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:16.559
way they find uh, Patrick Danville. He's a young man

748
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.599
in prison by someone who calls himself Joe Collins, but

749
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.840
is really a psychic vampire named Dandalo. So here he is.

750
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.960
But back to the part you're talking about with like

751
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.639
when they almost had hypothermia and died, we can't forget

752
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.400
when they come they come to the Crimson King's castle

753
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.960
and there's fifth below and far Falow and whatever those

754
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:41.679
shape shifters were named, and I thought then then I thought, oh,

755
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.199
maybe they're Dandelo because they had fIF Falow, like they

756
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.559
had the low in their name, and they had those

757
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:52.119
baskets that smelled like roast chickens and they had sweaters

758
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:53.880
and mittens which weren't really.

759
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.880
You're right, Yeah, that was a weird part, man, It

760
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:03.519
almost it was just weird because it just didn't like

761
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.199
it fit. But it was just like, what's going I

762
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:06.559
don't know.

763
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.920
It was part of their journey.

764
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:10.639
It was part of the journey, but it felt like

765
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:12.480
it was separate from it, you know what I mean.

766
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.960
Yeah, Roland determined they had to go there just to

767
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.079
make sure the Crimson King wasn't still there, even though

768
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.000
they were pretty sure he was at the Dark Tower,

769
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:23.519
but he wanted to make sure.

770
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:24.360
Yeah.

771
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:30.119
And then yeah, they what was in those baskets like

772
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:33.000
rotting meat? It was actually rotting meat. And then the

773
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:36.360
clothing like disintegrated. It wasn't really there, and those guys

774
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.400
were gonna kill him, but they told them the truth,

775
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.400
but they were also deceptive. And then they leave the

776
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.039
one guy alive so that Mordred can talk to him slash,

777
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.920
you know, if he's hungry, they have a snack.

778
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:52.400
And didn't they all look like Stephen King?

779
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.559
Yeah? They did. They all looked like Stephen King.

780
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.480
Yeah, that was funny, well until they were just morphter

781
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.320
changed into that. But they kind of showed their true colors.

782
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:07.559
That was interesting. Yeah, So they finally get to uh

783
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:14.239
uh od Lane, Joe Collins, and and who is a

784
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.119
tech He's that's not his name. He's actually a psychic

785
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.960
vampire named Dandolo. Dandlo feeds off emotion, the emotions of

786
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.760
his victims. And there's something going on with uh with

787
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.480
Susannah here that's not mentioned in here. She has like

788
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.679
this big cyst on her or a boil like thing

789
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:40.039
on her lip that keeps breaking and it's filled with

790
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:44.159
pus and blood and she fears that it's cancer, which

791
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.280
is interesting, but I think we should mention it here

792
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.559
because Patrick helps her with that later and it kind

793
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:52.320
of also saves Roland.

794
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.199
Yeah. Well, the air was so toxic in Thunderclap that

795
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.280
it caused lots of skin issues. Even for the people

796
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.320
who were in Haven't they had a lot of skin

797
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:06.760
issues too, Like the air was just toxic where if

798
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.840
you got a cut on your foot you might die.

799
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.280
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah that's true.

800
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.480
And then that horse too that hung out with this,

801
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.920
the vampire Snippy or whatever, the devil horse.

802
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.639
Yeah, I like the name Snippy.

803
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.000
Was that his name Snippy Nippy? I think it was

804
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.159
something like that, right.

805
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:33.440
Yeah, it's just a funny name though, but yeah, Dandelo.

806
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:36.519
He feeds off the emotions of his victims, and he

807
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.800
starts to feed off Roland and and Susannah by telling

808
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:40.519
them jokes.

809
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:42.000
Uh.

810
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:47.639
And this is this is how it's Susannah's mouth issue

811
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.119
with that boil is saves them because she's laughing and

812
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.280
they're both laughing at his jokes. And but this is

813
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:59.239
busting her her issue with that sore, and so she

814
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.960
like was a way to deal with that, and.

815
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:08.559
She it explodes, blood running down her face and plus

816
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:11.199
and everything great gross.

817
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:18.199
Oh man. But it's because she's separated from it, she

818
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:20.440
kind of sees what's going on. And that's that's what

819
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.519
saves Roland. Because Roland is.

820
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:26.159
Trust Stephen King left her a note in the back, yes.

821
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:31.800
That too, Yes, you're right. Roland and Susannah are alerted

822
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.480
to the danger by Stephen King himself, who drops clues

823
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:41.199
directly into the book, enabling them, mainly Susannah, to defeat

824
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:46.000
the vampire. And so that's that's how like, if if

825
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.159
it wasn't for that sore on on Susannah's lip, they

826
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.159
probably both would have been sucked dry.

827
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.760
Yeah, because the street that they were at, the Odd Lane,

828
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.960
and what it was at Tower Road, well, odd Lane

829
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.119
was Is it in anagram when you rearrange the letters,

830
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.239
it's spelled dandelo, But they didn't see it because there

831
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:09.800
had been added on an apostrophe. S Yes, Yeah, deceive

832
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.400
them or throw them off or whatever it was supposed

833
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:12.639
to do.

834
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.719
Yeah, But she figures it out, and then she realizes

835
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:22.000
that he's being manipulated in a way because he's laughing

836
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:23.719
when she goes back in the room, he's laughing so

837
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:24.920
hard his face is purple.

838
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.920
Yeah. And also they had been hearing noises of what

839
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.800
sounded like someone in the basement too, but they didn't

840
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:34.039
investigate that.

841
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:39.480
They do later though, Yes, and they discover Patrick. He's

842
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:43.119
in the basement, and they find out that Dandelo had

843
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:48.719
removed his tongue. Patrick is freed, and soon his special

844
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:53.320
talent becomes evident, his drawings and paintings. He's really good

845
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.199
at drawing and he loves doing it. But they they

846
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:03.840
can manifest reality. As their travel brings them nearer to

847
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:08.480
the Dark Tower, Susannah comes to the conclusion that Roland

848
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.760
needs to complete his journey without her, so Susannah asks

849
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.920
Patrick to draw her as she as she has seen

850
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.840
in her dreams a door. So she asks him to

851
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.480
draw a door for her that will lead her out

852
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:28.159
of this world, but not just that. She one night,

853
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.760
I think he's having trouble sleeping, and then while she's

854
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:36.159
staying watch and so she gives them some paper and

855
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:40.119
a pencil to draw on. And they noticed that he

856
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:43.880
wasn't allowed erasers for some reason, right, so at the erasers.

857
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.719
So while he's trying to go to sleep or while

858
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.639
he's having trouble sleeping, he draws her. But he draws

859
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.079
her with the with the sore on her mouth, and

860
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:55.960
so she gives them the eraser and says, hey, why

861
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:57.880
don't you get rid of that? And this is how

862
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.559
they find out how powerful he can be. So he

863
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:05.960
erases the the sore and it heals she. It heals her,

864
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.679
she no longer has that issue. And that's when she

865
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.679
comes up with the idea too to you know, why

866
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:13.159
don't you draw me a door to get the hell

867
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.440
out of here? And uh so he does so, and

868
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:20.239
once it appears, Susannah has a bittersweet goodbye with Roland

869
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:30.000
and crosses over to another world Now I really enjoyed

870
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.000
this part because it felt just like with the Three

871
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:37.079
stephen Kings, this part felt a little bit detached in

872
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.119
a way. It felt like it could have been a

873
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:40.280
short story.

874
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.239
About what when.

875
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.079
No, just like the just the when they go to

876
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.360
the Dandelo when they meet up with the dandlo. Oh, yeah,

877
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.239
that whole scene felt like kind of like a short

878
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.559
story in a sense. So just it like it belongs

879
00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:58.440
in the book, but it just felt kind of separate

880
00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:59.000
in my opinion.

881
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:03.199
So Mordred has been following them this whole time and

882
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:07.639
eating things on the way, and Mordred comes and so

883
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.800
that horse we must mention, there was this whole poem

884
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.719
about how that might have been the Devil's steed. And

885
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:19.920
Mordred eats Snippy, which gives him explosive diarrhea and he's

886
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:24.679
barfing and he might die and the only thing that's

887
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.639
fueling him on after Roland is his rage and anger.

888
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:34.039
Now he's even more angry because his butt's exploding and

889
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:35.000
they ate Snippy.

890
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:40.880
Yeah, and it did not agree with him. Oh yeah,

891
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.519
it put everyone in a foul mood.

892
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:48.960
Yeah, but yeah, I was still coming. We can't forget

893
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:49.480
about him.

894
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.079
No, he's still on his way and he plays a

895
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:56.280
big part here in a very short time. So what

896
00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:00.199
did you think of Dandelo's jokes? Because he goes I

897
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:03.400
found some of them kind of funny.

898
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.239
But somewhere someone's like, all right, whatever.

899
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.559
It felt like a comedian from like the nineteen fifties

900
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:14.159
or something. Yeah, or they're just telling really stupid jokes.

901
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:16.079
Some of them gave me a little bit of a

902
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:19.159
like a chuckle. But but what I found even more

903
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.599
funny was Roland's reaction, like he was like slapping his

904
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.280
knee and laughing so hard. This is before we figured

905
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.760
out he's an emotional vampire, right, So seeing Roland react

906
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:33.199
that way was just like, oh, this is good, right, Yeah,

907
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:34.280
Roland doesn't.

908
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.960
Laugh and so no, he doesn't very serious.

909
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.559
So we meet we as the synopsis suggested, we meet

910
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.559
we meet Patrick, and he's kind of like kind of

911
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:48.840
reminds me of Shemi, except he doesn't have a tongue.

912
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:55.280
What did you think of Patrick? He's a very late character, right, like,

913
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:56.599
and he's a brand new character.

914
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.880
He is, and he was mentioned a little bit here

915
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:02.159
in there, and they saw some of his paintings, like

916
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:06.079
when they went in Sayer's office in the Castle Discordia.

917
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.840
They saw his painting right of the Dark Tower or

918
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:13.400
was it of Mordred. There was one of his paintings

919
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:15.719
in there that was just like so lifelike and it

920
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.239
evoked these crazy emotions out of it.

921
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:19.480
I think it was the Dark Tower.

922
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.719
Yeah, and so you get a little bit of that,

923
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.920
and he was mentioned a little bit. But then yeah,

924
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:31.159
the fact that he was like a creator, yeah, kind

925
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.159
of in a way that I guess King was sort

926
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.360
of a creator too, but his was like I'm surprised

927
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:41.679
they didn't kill him. Yeah, they just kept him captive.

928
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.559
And you know, it's surprising that they didn't kill him

929
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.719
because they were pretty close at killing I think Roland there, right,

930
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.559
he was just yeah, he was feeding pretty well off Roland.

931
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:54.400
Uh.

932
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.960
Maybe maybe he just snacked off Patrick maybe.

933
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.199
But it seems like because not a lot of people

934
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.599
seem to pass by where he was. Yeah, and I'm

935
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.039
assuming he was stationed there by the Crimson King. I

936
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:07.920
don't know if that was.

937
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:14.880
Stated, but yeah, yeah, and he also knows how to

938
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:18.400
get to the tower the vampire did. Yeah, and he

939
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.920
gives them like directions I believe before.

940
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.159
Oh, the robot guy too was there that would come

941
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:29.480
along because the robot guy, oh what was his name?

942
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.559
Because he would come and he would bring supplies to

943
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:36.800
the vampire Dandeloh what was his name?

944
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:41.239
I can't remember his name, but yeah.

945
00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:46.239
He ended up supplying the cart for rolland and Susannah. Yeah,

946
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:50.360
and to get in Patrick. Oh yeah, he brought supplies

947
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.360
because of Patrick, right, because Patrick still had to eat food.

948
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:57.800
Yeah. Yeah, he's got to stay alive too, even though

949
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.840
he doesn't have a tongue. Yeah, which is kind of mean.

950
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:04.480
Why would they Yeah, don't talk back, right, I don't know,

951
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:09.519
I guess. So, so after they leaves, soon after they

952
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:13.440
leave here that Susannah realizes that, you know, it's time

953
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.199
for her to go, I was kind of I was

954
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.480
kind of annoyed at this. How did you feel? But

955
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:19.800
you know, afterwards, I was.

956
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.639
Like foreshadowed because it was either in a dream that

957
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:26.400
she heard the message of he has to go alone

958
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:28.360
or someone else told her I can't remember.

959
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:32.519
And it makes sense that, you know, Roland has to

960
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.400
get there alone. But for the whole series up until

961
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.679
this point, where like we want the whole kat to

962
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:42.719
to get there, right, but.

963
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.559
We did, But it was all Stephen King's fault because

964
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:46.840
he stopped running the books.

965
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:47.960
Lazy bastard.

966
00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:50.599
Yeah, maybe they would have all gotten there, not that

967
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:51.280
I don't know.

968
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:56.599
Yeah, so it did. It annoyed me at first, but

969
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.480
thinking about it, you know, and that dream and whatnot,

970
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:01.880
it's like, yeah, you know what Roland has to he

971
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.519
has to get there alone. But he doesn't necessarily get

972
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:09.239
there alone. He gets the outskirts of it with Patrick. Yeah,

973
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:17.159
and that leads us to what happened soon after Susannah

974
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:21.320
leaves because Mordred he's he's not doing so well because

975
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:25.079
of that horse. He's not food poisoning, serious food poisoning.

976
00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:30.199
And he finally catches up to where Roland is and

977
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.039
uh and we keep forgetting to mention that Oi has

978
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:35.320
been with him this whole time.

979
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.480
So and he was mean to Oi at one point too.

980
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:45.400
Yeah, he yelled at him and yeah, and so Mordred.

981
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:50.079
Attacks, he tries to attack Roland.

982
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:52.960
Yeah, he tries to attack Roland. I was thinking of

983
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.159
the events leading up to this point because there was

984
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:01.440
a I think, Yeah, Roland he's like he's struggling because

985
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:06.360
he's he he doesn't have anyone to keep watch, and

986
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:08.559
they need to keep watch, right, so he's not sleeping.

987
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:12.679
Yeah, oh, you know what we've got. After Stephen King

988
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.719
was hit by the car, Roland's pains went away because

989
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:18.320
they were actually Stephen King's pains and Roland no longer

990
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.800
has any of the pain problems he was having.

991
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.719
Absolutely, yeah, and so he feels better in that way.

992
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.400
But now he's not getting any sleep and yeah, yeah,

993
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:30.519
and he's he's like, you need you need your sleep.

994
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.559
I mean, Roland is a little bit superhero ish, but

995
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.159
even Roland needs a sleep, right. So it's been like

996
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.960
days though, it's been days, and he hasn't slept more

997
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.320
than fifteen minutes at a stretch. And so he he

998
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.280
tries to get Patrick to keep watch and he sets

999
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:49.760
up like his sets him up with like drawing stuff

1000
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.519
and what not to keep him occupied so he can

1001
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:56.039
just get like an hour. And uh, I don't think

1002
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.360
it's that Patrick doesn't. I don't. I think he does

1003
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.079
eventually asleep, but he doesn't wake up Roland when he's

1004
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.119
supposed to. And then, yeah, I think a lot.

1005
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.519
Of well, the vampire have been feeding on him for years,

1006
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:09.880
and I think it messed up his brain where he

1007
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:14.199
quite understand things and maybe their importance.

1008
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.519
Yeah, and so he fails in his mission, and that's

1009
00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:21.639
when Marjorie attacks when everyone's asleep.

1010
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.639
You know who doesn't fail though, Oi?

1011
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:30.400
Oi succeeds in protecting Roland, but at a price.

1012
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:31.679
Yeah.

1013
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:36.039
Now Oi doesn't survive this. I was kind of hoping

1014
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.960
Oi would at least survive, but he doesn't.

1015
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:41.960
To I didn't think he would. I know, Stephen King,

1016
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:43.440
he wasn't gonna let Oi live.

1017
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:48.360
He's pretty rough on his dogs.

1018
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:50.360
Yeah, yeah, dude.

1019
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:57.039
So Oi perishes. He dies, he is he is impaled

1020
00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.800
on the tree of a branch, or the branch of

1021
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.320
and that. You know. I was emotionally exhausted by this point,

1022
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.360
and I got pissed off. I was like, yeah, fuckliss man,

1023
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:08.559
why Oi have to die?

1024
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:12.639
I know that was a didn't rolland dream about that too.

1025
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:15.920
In a prior book, he had a dream about Oi

1026
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:17.119
being impaled on a.

1027
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:18.360
Oh you know what, I think?

1028
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.679
You're right, Yeah, a branch of a tree.

1029
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.440
Interesting. When I reread this, I'm gonna have to look

1030
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:24.679
for that.

1031
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:28.320
Yeah. There's a lot with dreams in this throughout the

1032
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.039
whole book too. That yeah, I found pretty interesting.

1033
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:36.440
Absolutely, series not book. Well, you could think of this

1034
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:41.199
as like one giant book. Yeah, kind of, all right,

1035
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:45.119
So Roland continues to his ultimate goal, and finally he

1036
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:49.079
reaches the tower, only to find it occupied by the

1037
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:54.119
Crimson King. They remain they fight. Roland shoots at him,

1038
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:59.039
and the Crimson King throws those snitches at him. They're

1039
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.280
exploding snitches, so they're almost like your.

1040
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:06.599
Native wings, and he yells like an insane person or

1041
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:08.519
whatever the heck. He was yelling the whole time, like

1042
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:09.400
a dingus.

1043
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:15.760
He's all red faced, and yeah, they they remain in

1044
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:18.280
a stalemate for like hours. Like this fight goes on

1045
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:21.920
for a long time, until Roland gets an idea and

1046
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:26.360
he has He pulls out Patrick's drawing papers and throws

1047
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.599
them a pencil and he's like, I want you to

1048
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:33.360
draw the Crimson King and then erase it. And so

1049
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:36.519
Patrick tries. And this is an interesting point because they're

1050
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.239
they're kind of far away and they can't see him

1051
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.159
too clearly, but he has to like capture his image

1052
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:45.960
perfectly for it to work, and so so it takes

1053
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:46.360
a while.

1054
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:49.079
But yeah, they did have those binoculars that they picked

1055
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:52.320
up off a Mordred. Yeah, after Mordred had died.

1056
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:56.119
I just had a vision of like spider binoculars.

1057
01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.119
I mean, I think he was human when he was

1058
01:01:59.199 --> 01:01:59.599
using these.

1059
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.840
Yeah, but I don't know. My brain like showed me

1060
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:05.000
a spider with binoculars, like.

1061
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.199
They got like eight eight eyes or something. I don't

1062
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:09.199
even know how that would work.

1063
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:18.800
That would be crazy. But yeah, so, uh, Patrick finally

1064
01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:21.639
succeeds and eracism and but.

1065
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.199
It would but he had to get blood first to

1066
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.960
draw the eyes because he drew it and it wasn't

1067
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.079
right and they both knew it wasn't right. And then

1068
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:33.599
he had to get rolling, crawled to pull one of

1069
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:37.960
the roses. Yeah, and when his hands were bleeding, he

1070
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:40.960
Patrick used the blood for the eyes of the Crimson

1071
01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:44.760
King and then it was correct, and then he was

1072
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:49.199
able to erase the Crimson Kings and it screamed and yelled.

1073
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:52.280
Yeah, he screams and screams like it's a slow kind

1074
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:58.440
of painful death for the Crimson King. And so that's that.

1075
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:02.360
That's that's like, that's like our big battle. Yeah, the

1076
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:08.920
end here and and Roland he he gains entry into

1077
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:13.119
the tower while Patrick turns back home. He's going to

1078
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.599
head back home. The last scene in this part anyway,

1079
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:19.320
is Roland crying out the names of his loved ones

1080
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:24.360
and fallen comrades as he heads into the tower. He

1081
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:27.119
vowed to do that, and he does.

1082
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:34.320
And he puts the cross from Talitha mother Talitha from

1083
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:37.840
that town that they went to at the tower.

1084
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:48.119
Yeah, yeah, he does that. I can't remember exactly, but yeah,

1085
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:51.800
he goes into the tower. Now, I think we both

1086
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:54.320
feel that the Crimson King was kind of a silly,

1087
01:03:55.239 --> 01:04:00.679
silly buffoon of a villain, right, Yeah, I just like

1088
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.000
how you describe him. He's like on the tower going

1089
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:08.880
he was he was, he was a dingus. He's like

1090
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.559
I've heard and I don't remember it myself because, like

1091
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.480
I said, it's been about twenty years, but the Crimson

1092
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:19.400
King is like the main villain Insomnia. He's so much

1093
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:22.599
more creepy in that book. So I don't know why

1094
01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:24.679
King wentz in this direction.

1095
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.679
Oh and another thing I forgot too was that when

1096
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.840
they talked to those triplets at the Crimson kings castle,

1097
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.239
they told Roland that the Crimson King killed himself with

1098
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:36.480
a spoon. He saw the spoon which killed him, so

1099
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:38.599
that meant he was dead and that Roland would not

1100
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:40.519
be able to kill him, so there was no way

1101
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:44.440
he could have actually like defeated him without Patrick because

1102
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.440
Patrick had to erase him because the Crimson King was

1103
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:47.039
already dead.

1104
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:53.599
Yeah, and so yeah that works out. Like it's funny

1105
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:56.840
how Stephen King puts these these little elements in the

1106
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.679
story and just makes it work. I think most other

1107
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.199
authors wouldn't be able to do that. Yeah, I agree

1108
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:09.519
like Stephen King, he's just I don't know, man, he

1109
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:15.199
just makes it work somehow. So this is where we

1110
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.360
leave Roland for a little bit. I thought, honestly, this

1111
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:20.760
is did you think this too, that this is where

1112
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:23.400
it's gonna end. Yeah, we don't get into the tower.

1113
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.159
Yeah, And I was like, okay, well all right, fine.

1114
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.159
Yeah, I was like, you know what, maybe we don't

1115
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:30.360
need to go into the tower.

1116
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.960
Yeah, maybe we know the journey ends there, so let's

1117
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:34.559
leave it to imagination or whatever.

1118
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.960
Yeah, and so we go back to Susannah, which is

1119
01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:42.519
an interesting part. I really enjoyed this part. To Susannah

1120
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:47.239
ends up in like nineteen eighties New York An. I

1121
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:54.880
guess Gary Hart was running for president against Ronald Reagan.

1122
01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:59.719
H Ronald Reagan a lot or one obviously, so in

1123
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:04.119
this world, Gary Hart won. I'm just assuming that's the history.

1124
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.239
And I have no idea.

1125
01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:12.559
So Gary Hart is president. Susannah throws away Roland's gun.

1126
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:16.119
It doesn't work here on this side of the world anyway.

1127
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:18.920
Yeah, the bullets are like wet or something or there.

1128
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.599
Yeah, yeah, I remember her saying that. Yeah, and she

1129
01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:26.199
she wants to reject the life of a gunslinger as well.

1130
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:29.119
She's like, I'm done with with all that, and so

1131
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:33.400
she she meets she sees Eddie though on the streets,

1132
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:38.280
and Eddie she goes up to him. She's basically homeless

1133
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.800
here and yeah, she goes up to him and he

1134
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.440
recognizes her from his dreams. He's like, I've been dreaming

1135
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.760
about you for months. And they hit it off right away,

1136
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:54.320
and that was interesting but also kind of sweet in

1137
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:56.760
the senses that he's like, he got to meet my brother.

1138
01:06:57.079 --> 01:06:58.800
And he goes over and it's Jacob.

1139
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:02.800
Right at first, She's like, oh God. She's like Henry

1140
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:09.079
because she thought it was gonna be the heroin Addicts. Yeah,

1141
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:12.039
I liked that. In this world it was Jake. Yeah.

1142
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.039
She's like, I don't want to meet Henry, and I

1143
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.800
really don't want to meet Henry and but it turns

1144
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.880
out to be Jake in this in this universe, so

1145
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:19.639
that was sweet.

1146
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.719
Yeah, And then like later on, Stephen King alludes to

1147
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.800
the fact that they might come across dog that looks

1148
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:31.159
similar to a bumbler named Maybe.

1149
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:34.239
Yeah, it does allude that Oi will join them in

1150
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:37.400
the future at some point. And I really liked this part.

1151
01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:40.239
It was like it was like a little reward I

1152
01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:43.280
think for having gone through all that painful stuff in

1153
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.920
the past, right, and like, I mean, they're still dead

1154
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.639
in that universe, but they're all alive here and there together,

1155
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:54.559
and uh, that's fantastic. I was almost expecting the father

1156
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.079
to be like Roland or something that would have been weird.

1157
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:05.480
But yeah, Uncle.

1158
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:08.480
I love it. So the book kind of ends here,

1159
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:13.880
except there's a final coda section. If you remember, Stephen

1160
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:19.119
King used like Kodas and whatnot for like interludes throughout

1161
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:22.920
these things. And King is like, you know, you can

1162
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.840
turn back at this point, do we really need to

1163
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:28.720
go into the tower? Like he's like kind of chiding you.

1164
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:31.239
He's like, oh, I bet you think at this point

1165
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:33.760
that we have to go into the tower, don't you.

1166
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:38.159
And he's like, as though going with these characters all

1167
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:41.039
this time and getting to know them and whatnot. Isn't enough.

1168
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:44.439
We have to go into the tower, don't we. Yeah,

1169
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:46.720
And so he takes us. He takes us into the tower,

1170
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.880
and uh, this is uh I really love this part.

1171
01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:54.000
I'm glad we did end up going to the tower

1172
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:56.439
because go ahead.

1173
01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:58.399
Oh I said, same, Yeah, okay.

1174
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.279
Roland enters the tower and he realizes that it's not

1175
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:07.680
entirely made of stone. It's more of like a flesh,

1176
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:11.960
a fleshy substance like thing. And he realizes that it's Gan.

1177
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:14.479
It's the god of this world. It's like his flet

1178
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:17.960
or it's flesh. It's it's physical body. I don't know

1179
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.479
if it's ever given a sexual title or not, so

1180
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:26.039
I'm just gonna call it it. As he climbs the step,

1181
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:31.119
Roland encounters various rooms containing signals or signs of his

1182
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:33.880
past life. So he reaches one floor and he sees

1183
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:39.359
like his parents and certain scenes that he remembers, and

1184
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:43.520
I think he comes across things from past books and

1185
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:43.960
all that.

1186
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:46.119
Yeah, it was like a memory castle.

1187
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.199
Yeah actually, yeah, just like everything.

1188
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:51.079
From his life of his life.

1189
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:55.560
Yeah, And when he reaches the top, of the tower. Now,

1190
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:59.000
the top of the tower is interesting because he was

1191
01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:02.399
obsessed this whole series about reaching the top of the tower,

1192
01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:05.720
and his biggest fear was that when he got to

1193
01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:08.800
the top room it would be empty. And the whole

1194
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:12.760
time that's alluding to there being no God and no one.

1195
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:20.920
There is just all meaningless, right, Yeah, but excuse me.

1196
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:24.960
He finds a door marked with his own name, and

1197
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:29.239
so he opens it. Roland instantly realizes, to his horror

1198
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:35.079
that he's reached the tower countless times before. Yeah, and

1199
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:37.720
he is trapped in cause will. As a punishment for

1200
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.439
his ruthlessness and killing, he is forced through the door

1201
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.760
by the hands of Gan and transported back in time

1202
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:49.600
to the Mohane Desert, back to where he was at

1203
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:54.239
the beginning of the of the Gunslinger. Uh. With no.

1204
01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:57.520
Once he arrives there, he has no memories of what

1205
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.840
of what just occurred. But I like when he's getting

1206
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.960
pushed through, he's like, oh no, not again, please, no,

1207
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.960
not again. And then he gets pushed through and he's

1208
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:11.960
walking the desert again. He is uh, we are right

1209
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:12.920
back at the beginning.

1210
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:13.640
Yep.

1211
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:17.840
The man in black h Yeah. The only difference is

1212
01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:22.720
he's holding the horn. Excuse me, he's holding the Horn

1213
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:27.359
of Eld, which in the previous incarnation he had left

1214
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.720
lying on the ground after the Battle of Jericho Hill.

1215
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:33.319
Yeah, but it only would have taken three seconds to

1216
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:37.920
pick it up. Yeah, it's like the butterfly effect. This

1217
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:38.920
time is the time.

1218
01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:45.319
Yeah, we believe Roland. Here's the voice of Gan whispering

1219
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.720
that if he reaches the tower again, perhaps this time

1220
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:52.359
the result will be different. There may yet be rest

1221
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:56.399
and redemption if he stands true. The series ends where

1222
01:11:56.399 --> 01:12:01.399
it began literally in the first book with this sentence.

1223
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:04.279
The man in Black fled across the desert, and the

1224
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:11.720
Gunslinger followed. Yeah, that is awesome because, like, I don't

1225
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.960
know why Stephen King went through all the pain of

1226
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:16.880
saying do you really have to go into the Tower?

1227
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:18.800
I would have chopped that stuff off once I came

1228
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:22.760
up with this ending, because I think it's awesome. What

1229
01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:23.600
do you think of it?

1230
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:27.680
I think it was just to taunt the reader a

1231
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:30.600
little bit. I don't know. Anytime something like that isn't

1232
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:33.960
a book. I have to read what's there. I can't

1233
01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:37.880
not read the like then I'll just be left wondering.

1234
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:40.920
Absolutely, and yeah, sure, I could have.

1235
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:43.439
Sure, I could have stopped reading with them and stayed

1236
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:48.199
with the happier memories of Susannah and the other dimensional

1237
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:51.239
Eddie and Jake. But I want to know what's in

1238
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:51.840
the tower.

1239
01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:55.279
I know, right. I don't think it's bad of us

1240
01:12:55.359 --> 01:13:00.680
either to want to know no human nature, He's got

1241
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.079
a point. I didn't read all these books just to

1242
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:06.359
learn what was in the tower. I was following the characters.

1243
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:09.479
I love the characters, I love the stories in this series.

1244
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:14.319
But when we reached the tower, I really want to

1245
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:17.039
see what's in there. At the same time, though, as Yeah,

1246
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:20.239
as we discussed a little bit earlier, I was okay,

1247
01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:23.000
actually not knowing, like when he went into the tower,

1248
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:25.520
I was like, okay, he goes in the tower. That's

1249
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.680
kind of fitting. We don't necessarily have to go in there, right.

1250
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:29.520
Yeah.

1251
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.039
It's interesting that we both came to that conclusion, because

1252
01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:33.680
I'm sure there's a lot of people who are like

1253
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:35.880
ready to throw their books against the wall and seid

1254
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:37.239
it out. Yeah.

1255
01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:42.960
Yeah, I mean I've read so many books that do

1256
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:48.119
have endings like that that I think I was like, okay, yeah, well,

1257
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:51.079
maybe not as satisfying as I would have liked it

1258
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:53.600
to be. I am accepting of it, but I'm also

1259
01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:56.199
really glad that we were able to go into the

1260
01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:59.760
tower and it ended how it ended, because I was like, yes,

1261
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.560
this actually seems like how it should be.

1262
01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:08.119
Yeah, And I kind of like the idea of Roland

1263
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:12.239
having to go through everything again. What do you think

1264
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:14.159
of that when he goes when he gets pushed through

1265
01:14:14.199 --> 01:14:16.079
the door and he's like right back at the beginning.

1266
01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:21.479
What I think is that he needs to save the beams,

1267
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:25.039
but he's not supposed to go to the tower. I

1268
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:26.920
don't think he needs to go to the tower. Like

1269
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:30.880
his journey, I think was to find his found family

1270
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:34.039
with his gunslinger family and maybe realize that they were

1271
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:38.000
more important and they were his heart and his whatever,

1272
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:41.600
instead of like, you know, going to Groundhog Day again

1273
01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:42.640
off to see the Groundhog.

1274
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:46.199
He didn't have to go to the tower, and you's

1275
01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:47.119
got to save.

1276
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:52.600
The beams and the worlds and then yeah, I don't know, that's.

1277
01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:55.880
That's an excellent point. And I think you're right because

1278
01:14:56.199 --> 01:14:59.439
throughout this whole book there's many opportunities where it's like

1279
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:02.279
you can turn, you can forget about the tower and

1280
01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.399
not worry about it. And he always chose the Tower

1281
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:08.159
no matter what. And at the very end there when

1282
01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:11.800
he's willing to sacrifice Shemi, is more proof that he's

1283
01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:14.840
still obsessed with the Tower and he has to make

1284
01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:16.960
it there. And I think that's the test of the

1285
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.640
whole thing. But I have to wonder what does this

1286
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:23.199
all mean? Because Gan is like the god of storytelling.

1287
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:26.960
I think, right, it's extreme, it's at least the god

1288
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:32.359
of Stephen King's universe. And all these universes are in

1289
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:35.439
different dimensions, but they all connect to the Tower and

1290
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:40.760
they all connect in with all this. How does Roland

1291
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:47.439
repeating How does Roland repeating it all does? What does

1292
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:47.880
that even?

1293
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:51.960
Okay, Roland's like a Keystone character. Without Roland, I think

1294
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:55.720
the Tower would fall, and we still need the Tower

1295
01:15:55.800 --> 01:15:58.439
to have the worlds and the dimensions existing. It's kind

1296
01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.079
of like, I don't know, if you have seen the

1297
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:06.479
movie Deadpool and Wolverine. Yeah, yeah, how Wolverine was like

1298
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:12.000
a Keystone person, and without Wolverine that world was just

1299
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:14.840
they were going to destroy it and it didn't matter anymore.

1300
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:18.079
And so Deadpool, you know, to find a new Wolverine

1301
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:23.199
to like make the beams stronger, so that it keeps

1302
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:23.640
going on.

1303
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:29.720
I really like that comparison. I thought, maybe you're right. Yeah,

1304
01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:31.720
I would have. I'd never even thought of that. I

1305
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:34.960
saw that at the drive in of all places. Well,

1306
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:37.479
we have a drive in near us, so it's not cool.

1307
01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:40.479
It's not unnatural for us to go in the summer

1308
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:42.640
to watch a movie and the drive in, So we

1309
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:44.399
saw that at the drive in the summer. But I

1310
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:48.399
didn't even make the comparison. It's like, that's that's really good.

1311
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:51.079
That just popped into my brain at this moment in time.

1312
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:53.720
I need to watch that again. Yeah.

1313
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:59.840
I loved that movie. That was so cute. I was

1314
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:01.680
excited that Blade was in it.

1315
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:06.640
Yeah, I love that the Blade think. I was so excited. Yeah, yeah,

1316
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:10.520
and Blade. Wesley Snipes looks so old and yet.

1317
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:14.359
And yet the first Blade come out in the nineties.

1318
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:19.039
Yeah, but it's funny because he's like he's playing Blade,

1319
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:21.560
he's doing it perfectly, but he's like old and you

1320
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:22.560
can't move as well.

1321
01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:26.600
Right, Well, I mean it's gonna happen to us all.

1322
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:29.079
Look at Roland.

1323
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:33.199
It's already starting with me. So I can't move as well,

1324
01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:36.119
says I remember when I if I ever fell down.

1325
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:38.800
When I was younger, I'd like, bounce right back up.

1326
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:41.399
And now I'm like, you know, I'm doing the the

1327
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:47.600
Peter Griffin with the holding of going yeah, my back hurts,

1328
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:53.520
my back hurts, my back same. I think, you know.

1329
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:57.760
I think that that ending, though, makes this the perfect

1330
01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:02.640
reread material. Yeah, because if you really wanted to, you

1331
01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:05.279
could just start over again and then they did again,

1332
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:08.199
yeah at the Gunslinger, and then to start on with

1333
01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:11.159
the idea of how it ends. I think that's you

1334
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.199
don't even need to reread it right away. You could

1335
01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:15.640
like knowing how it ends, and then when you go

1336
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:17.560
back to it, it's like here we go again, right,

1337
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:20.800
except he doesn't have the the Horn of Beld.

1338
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:25.560
Yeah. But I just I'm really curious to see what

1339
01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:27.520
they Wind in the key Hole is all about, because

1340
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:29.960
I know nothing like I'm gonna go in blind. I

1341
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.399
don't want to read the synopsis. Yeah, I know, it's

1342
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:35.439
like a prequel or something.

1343
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:38.319
It fits in between like books four and five. I

1344
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:41.479
think the only thing I know about it is a

1345
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.359
lot of people say to save it for the end

1346
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:47.960
because you could read it. No, it doesn't spoil anything.

1347
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:52.359
The reason why is because it's like after everything that

1348
01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:56.199
happens in book seven, going to the wind through the

1349
01:18:56.279 --> 01:19:01.560
Keyhole after is like returning to a happier time, and

1350
01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:05.600
it's like it's kind of like that bittersweet feeling and

1351
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:10.079
it hits better, I think, is what they say. So yeah,

1352
01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:13.279
so we'll definitely do that too in the new year.

1353
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:15.079
I'm looking forward to doing that.

1354
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:17.880
Did you want to do that first or do you

1355
01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:19.680
want to do the short stories?

1356
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:23.840
Well I haven't. I'll talk to you about that. I

1357
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:27.920
don't know anything yet, but yeah, there is something coming

1358
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:31.880
in the future and well it will all be announced

1359
01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:33.760
very shortly, but yeah, i'll talk to you about that

1360
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:36.680
when we're done here. So I think we are done here.

1361
01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:39.600
I'm very happy that we finally I remember at the

1362
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:42.479
end of book six there, I was so excited to

1363
01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:44.439
get into the seventh one. I was like, I'm going

1364
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:47.800
to do it right away, but then I didn't, just

1365
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:52.760
waited two months. Yeah, but I'm glad we finally made

1366
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.159
it here. It was like the whole time we were

1367
01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:58.720
wondering what's going on with the Tower, and now we

1368
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:02.680
finally know, and it's awesome.

1369
01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:04.199
My new favorite fantasy series.

1370
01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:07.239
Yeah. Absolutely, this is like one of the most bonkers

1371
01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:11.119
crazy series I've ever read, and I don't think anything

1372
01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:12.840
can ever really top it. I don't know.

1373
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:16.199
It's got me excited to go back and read like

1374
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:19.079
all the older books too, like Salem's Lot in the Stand.

1375
01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:21.079
I like I said, I've read Salem's Lot. I've never

1376
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:25.199
read the Stand because well it's huge, and those Doorstoppers

1377
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:27.319
it's or.

1378
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:27.840
Something like that.

1379
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:29.479
Yeah, it's so big.

1380
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:33.840
So yeah, all right, Well, I want to thank everyone

1381
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:39.039
for listening, and look for uh the next one in

1382
01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:41.560
the in the new year, the Win through the Keyhole.

1383
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.680
We'll be covering that. And as I said, there's some

1384
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:50.560
some interesting announcements to come, and so pay attention to that.

1385
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:55.119
And so thank you Sin for joining me through this.

1386
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:58.680
And yeah, it has been it's been a lot of

1387
01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:02.479
fun and I really enjoy talking to you about these books.

1388
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:07.000
And I looking forward tomorrow in the new year. Yeah,

1389
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.760
all right. Here I was about to say, here we go,

1390
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:14.119
but instead I should say audios.

1391
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:19.039
Everyone be saying long days and pleasant nights.

1392
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:26.880
And may you have twice the number. If you like

1393
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:29.560
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1394
01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:32.840
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1395
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:36.319
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1396
01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:39.560
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1397
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:42.960
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1398
01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:47.039
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1399
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:51.479
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1400
01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:54.479
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1401
01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:58.720
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1402
01:21:59.000 --> 01:21:59.920
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