Faith Beyond the Fairway

100:00:01.830 --> 00:00:04.750Welcome to the Wayne Watson Podcast, where Grammy200:00:04.750 --> 00:00:07.450nominee and multiple Dove award-winning artist Wayne300:00:07.450 --> 00:00:11.010Watson engages in lively conversation with remarkable people400:00:11.010 --> 00:00:12.390from every walk of life.500:00:12.670 --> 00:00:15.670Artists to healthcare professionals, athletes and leaders to600:00:15.670 --> 00:00:18.690everyday believers whose stories reflect the power of700:00:18.690 --> 00:00:20.270faith at work in the world.800:00:20.530 --> 00:00:22.310Join us as we go beyond the spotlight900:00:22.310 --> 00:00:23.950and into the heart of what it means1000:00:23.950 --> 00:00:26.490to live with purpose and conviction, diving into1100:00:26.490 --> 00:00:29.110real conversations about the moments that shape us,1200:00:29.270 --> 00:00:31.470the faith that sustains us, and the God1300:00:31.470 --> 00:00:32.590who inspires it all.1400:00:32.830 --> 00:00:35.010Now, here's your host, Wayne Watson.1500:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.460My guest today for episode two of the1600:00:45.460 --> 00:00:48.600Wayne Watson Podcast, which I have to say,1700:00:49.300 --> 00:00:50.540what a clever name.1800:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.980My guest for my second episode is a1900:00:53.980 --> 00:00:56.780dear friend I've known for a long, long2000:00:56.780 --> 00:00:59.560time, 30-plus years.2100:01:00.040 --> 00:01:02.800His name is Steve Jones, Steven Glenn Jones,2200:01:04.880 --> 00:01:09.040winner of 10 events on the PGA Tour,2300:01:09.140 --> 00:01:13.140eight on the PGA Tour, two on the2400:01:13.140 --> 00:01:14.640European Tour, golf tour.2500:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.640In 1996, he won the US Open from2600:01:18.640 --> 00:01:22.120a regional qualifier, which means he went through2700:01:23.040 --> 00:01:27.240Joe Blow, a local golf hotshot, and got2800:01:27.240 --> 00:01:30.480into the US Open at Wingfoot that year2900:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.020and won.3000:01:34.140 --> 00:01:37.860And so, this conversation with Steve is about3100:01:37.860 --> 00:01:41.360his athletic journey and about his faith journey.3200:01:42.720 --> 00:01:46.480Steve is married to his wife, Bonnie, and3300:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.940they have two children and at least one3400:01:48.940 --> 00:01:50.640grandchild, I think we talked about that.3500:01:52.500 --> 00:01:55.720Steve played in the Masters a couple times.3600:01:56.020 --> 00:01:58.120I was with him at one of those.3700:01:58.720 --> 00:02:00.940Very memorable, but I hope you enjoy this3800:02:00.940 --> 00:02:02.920episode with Steve Jones.3900:02:06.400 --> 00:02:07.139Let me see it again.4000:02:07.440 --> 00:02:08.160Let me see it again.4100:02:09.160 --> 00:02:10.720Yeah, I know that, but did you write4200:02:10.720 --> 00:02:12.300that down in there or did somebody, is4300:02:12.300 --> 00:02:14.080that a printed book and you just highlighted?4400:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.460No, I wrote this whole book.4500:02:16.940 --> 00:02:18.560I wrote the New Testament.4600:02:19.180 --> 00:02:20.820I didn't know you wrote the New Testament.4700:02:21.640 --> 00:02:26.140I need to change my whole line of4800:02:26.140 --> 00:02:28.220questioning if I'm talking to the guy that4900:02:28.220 --> 00:02:29.260wrote the whole New Testament.5000:02:29.500 --> 00:02:31.840This is, hold on, I need to contact5100:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.480the news media and talk about...5200:02:37.580 --> 00:02:40.840Okay, so you said you highlighted the good5300:02:40.840 --> 00:02:41.220verses.5400:02:41.580 --> 00:02:44.440Now, that's implying that there are some that5500:02:44.440 --> 00:02:45.800aren't so good or not so relevant.5600:02:45.940 --> 00:02:46.700What are you talking about?5700:02:46.700 --> 00:02:52.740What they are, they're more for unsaved people5800:02:52.740 --> 00:02:56.100and also for encouragement of believers.5900:02:57.660 --> 00:02:59.720And I told the Lord, I said, Lord,6000:02:59.880 --> 00:03:01.880I would have to underline the whole New6100:03:01.880 --> 00:03:03.380Testament and copy the whole book.6200:03:04.100 --> 00:03:06.660But that's not what this book was about.6300:03:06.740 --> 00:03:09.460It was about me studying and learning.6400:03:09.980 --> 00:03:11.640And it was amazing going through the New6500:03:11.640 --> 00:03:15.280Testament, how you regurgitate it two or three6600:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.980times before you figure out what to underline6700:03:17.980 --> 00:03:20.760in your Bible, then put it on paper.6800:03:21.620 --> 00:03:23.660And then after that, you regurgitate it and6900:03:23.660 --> 00:03:26.440you highlight specific, like if I just open7000:03:26.440 --> 00:03:30.200it up, there's 1 John, whoever confesses that7100:03:30.200 --> 00:03:32.020Jesus, Son of God abides in Him and7200:03:32.020 --> 00:03:32.760He in God, boom.7300:03:35.180 --> 00:03:38.760But I didn't put by this as love7400:03:38.760 --> 00:03:42.040perfected with us, because I wanted whoever confesses7500:03:42.040 --> 00:03:42.500that Jesus...7600:03:44.160 --> 00:03:46.480Anyway, it was just an idea I had.7700:03:46.720 --> 00:03:47.360That's good stuff.7800:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.720Every winter, I mean, last winter was poems7900:03:50.720 --> 00:03:51.820for three or four months.8000:03:52.880 --> 00:03:54.940It was for my own study.8100:03:56.580 --> 00:04:00.040And this winter for three or four months,8200:04:00.100 --> 00:04:02.360I was just copying this.8300:04:02.460 --> 00:04:04.100I'd do it two or three hours a8400:04:04.100 --> 00:04:04.760day or whatever.8500:04:05.600 --> 00:04:07.180My hand was cramping up.8600:04:07.320 --> 00:04:08.840I'm like, oh yeah, all right.8700:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.720Well, man, it is great to see your8800:04:12.720 --> 00:04:12.960faith.8900:04:13.100 --> 00:04:14.240I don't know how long has it been9000:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.380since we've been in the same room.9100:04:16.500 --> 00:04:18.420It's been probably a couple of years at9200:04:18.420 --> 00:04:18.800least.9300:04:19.579 --> 00:04:20.380A couple of years, yeah.9400:04:20.480 --> 00:04:22.160You've been busy with life.9500:04:24.500 --> 00:04:25.620Well, all right.9600:04:26.040 --> 00:04:27.360Did you watch the Olympics?9700:04:28.960 --> 00:04:31.500You know, we were hosting people for the9800:04:31.500 --> 00:04:34.760last two weeks, and Bonnie had her 60th9900:04:34.760 --> 00:04:37.700birthday, and we just had so many people10000:04:37.700 --> 00:04:38.060around.10100:04:38.200 --> 00:04:39.900We just didn't hardly watch it.10200:04:40.880 --> 00:04:45.000We watched some of those bobsleds and all10300:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.080that stuff, you know?10400:04:47.700 --> 00:04:51.720Bobsled and the luge, which Jerry Seinfeld calls10500:04:51.720 --> 00:04:53.960bobsled, but just Bob, no sled.10600:04:54.540 --> 00:04:55.780Just Bob.10700:04:58.600 --> 00:05:00.720Did you watch hockey yesterday?10800:05:01.180 --> 00:05:02.700Now, were you a hockey fan?10900:05:02.960 --> 00:05:03.660Are you a hockey fan?11000:05:03.660 --> 00:05:05.800Well, I am during the Olympics.11100:05:06.440 --> 00:05:06.880Yeah.11200:05:07.260 --> 00:05:08.300Did you see the game?11300:05:08.460 --> 00:05:10.360Did you see the gold medal game?11400:05:10.720 --> 00:05:11.740And the Stanley Cup?11500:05:11.860 --> 00:05:14.600No, because it was an hour before I11600:05:14.600 --> 00:05:16.080got up, and I forgot about it.11700:05:16.300 --> 00:05:19.940And then we went to church, and then,11800:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.640of course, they announced that church, the US11900:05:22.640 --> 00:05:23.060won.12000:05:23.200 --> 00:05:24.200I'm like, oh, okay.12100:05:24.860 --> 00:05:26.500But I did see the goal.12200:05:26.780 --> 00:05:27.720That was pretty cool.12300:05:28.160 --> 00:05:29.440It was this guy that got hit with12400:05:29.440 --> 00:05:31.180a stick and teeth, right?12500:05:31.240 --> 00:05:32.100He made the goal?12600:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.040The kid that earlier in the game got12700:05:35.040 --> 00:05:36.780one to the face and knocked his teeth12800:05:36.780 --> 00:05:37.120out.12900:05:37.260 --> 00:05:40.160And in the post-game interview, I mean,13000:05:40.180 --> 00:05:42.460he had blood on his face, and maybe13100:05:42.460 --> 00:05:43.620two teeth knocked out.13200:05:43.920 --> 00:05:44.680Couldn't have cared less.13300:05:44.740 --> 00:05:46.900He had trouble talking, but he couldn't have13400:05:46.900 --> 00:05:47.920cared less how he looked.13500:05:47.980 --> 00:05:48.860They were so happy.13600:05:49.860 --> 00:05:50.980And we watched some of that.13700:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.920You know, my wife has been to the13800:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.960Olympics back in Japan during the COVID year13900:05:57.960 --> 00:06:01.220where there were no fans and no families.14000:06:01.580 --> 00:06:03.300And as I'm watching that, and I knew14100:06:03.300 --> 00:06:06.440you and I were going to talk, people14200:06:06.440 --> 00:06:08.440just don't realize how hard it is to14300:06:08.440 --> 00:06:08.980get there.14400:06:09.660 --> 00:06:11.600I mean, you've been a professional.14500:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.260And I was watching, and the Canadian team14600:06:18.260 --> 00:06:19.940was awarded the silver medal.14700:06:20.120 --> 00:06:21.280All of them got silver.14800:06:22.140 --> 00:06:24.400And it occurred to me, I wonder if14900:06:24.400 --> 00:06:26.020to them it's gold or nothing.15000:06:26.480 --> 00:06:30.400It's like silver, silver, much less bronze.15100:06:30.820 --> 00:06:31.840Keep it.15200:06:32.140 --> 00:06:34.900So do you think that's the mentality?15300:06:34.900 --> 00:06:37.160Or are they happy that they got there15400:06:37.160 --> 00:06:38.260and got close?15500:06:38.560 --> 00:06:39.380What are they thinking?15600:06:40.300 --> 00:06:41.060Yeah, I think so.15700:06:41.140 --> 00:06:42.840I mean, they could have won in overtime,15800:06:43.320 --> 00:06:48.560but obviously the greatest players such, you know,15900:06:48.660 --> 00:06:52.140Nicholas Tiger, you know, they're thinking, yeah, second's16000:06:52.140 --> 00:06:53.560not good.16100:06:53.880 --> 00:06:54.600I want to win.16200:06:54.840 --> 00:06:57.040And that's the drive to win.16300:06:57.100 --> 00:07:02.280And I've never had that deep desire that16400:07:02.280 --> 00:07:04.360all or nothing, I have to win.16500:07:04.400 --> 00:07:05.720And it meant the world to me.16600:07:05.780 --> 00:07:07.560So I'm going to do everything I possibly16700:07:07.560 --> 00:07:09.800can to physically be ready.16800:07:10.180 --> 00:07:13.000Mentally, I just was never built that way.16900:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.480I'd rather be sitting on a porch with17000:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.140a glass of iced tea, rocking, right?17100:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.220And looking out and waving at the neighbors17200:07:21.220 --> 00:07:21.720or whatever.17300:07:21.860 --> 00:07:25.020But some guys are just built, built that17400:07:25.020 --> 00:07:25.300way.17500:07:25.440 --> 00:07:27.560And I was built a little bit that17600:07:27.560 --> 00:07:29.700way, just enough to have a career, I17700:07:29.700 --> 00:07:29.980think.17800:07:31.960 --> 00:07:34.880Apart from all my injuries, but yeah, I17900:07:34.880 --> 00:07:37.080mean, it's a lot of dedication.18000:07:37.840 --> 00:07:41.140And I wanted to spend more time with18100:07:41.140 --> 00:07:41.560my kids.18200:07:41.620 --> 00:07:43.360I didn't want to go out and spend18300:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.200an extra two hours at the golf course.18400:07:45.540 --> 00:07:46.240I already spent two.18500:07:46.340 --> 00:07:48.580I don't want to spend four, you know.18600:07:49.520 --> 00:07:51.360Tom Hanks How many players are on, when18700:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.000you were playing on the tour, I mean,18800:07:53.060 --> 00:07:57.240on a baseball roster, there are what, 2618900:07:57.240 --> 00:08:00.100or so on the bench and on the19000:08:00.100 --> 00:08:02.920team playing in the NFL, there are what,19100:08:03.020 --> 00:08:05.96062, 63 man roster.19200:08:06.320 --> 00:08:08.300How many people were on the tour when19300:08:08.300 --> 00:08:08.820you played?19400:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.480How many were actually on the tour?19500:08:11.480 --> 00:08:15.200Yeah, there was probably close to 200.19600:08:15.820 --> 00:08:19.140The top 125 was all exempt.19700:08:19.940 --> 00:08:21.960Tom Hanks Who were some of your best19800:08:21.960 --> 00:08:22.760friends on the tour?19900:08:22.860 --> 00:08:24.760I know we did some Bible studies together.20000:08:25.840 --> 00:08:28.600When you came to Houston, I would sometimes20100:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.460do the Bible study with you guys on20200:08:30.460 --> 00:08:32.059Wednesday night.20300:08:32.780 --> 00:08:34.159And I did a couple in Dallas.20400:08:35.299 --> 00:08:37.860And I remember some of those guys.20500:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.460I remember Loren Roberts was in most of20600:08:40.460 --> 00:08:41.299those Bible studies.20700:08:43.680 --> 00:08:45.800Justin Leonard was in some of them later20800:08:45.800 --> 00:08:46.140on.20900:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.320I think he came to it a little21000:08:48.320 --> 00:08:48.680later.21100:08:49.340 --> 00:08:52.300I met a guy named Joel Edwards, who21200:08:52.300 --> 00:08:55.340I remember him sitting by me at a21300:08:55.340 --> 00:08:56.080Bible study.21400:08:56.860 --> 00:08:59.160And I played a song and he just21500:08:59.160 --> 00:09:00.560stared at me the whole time.21600:09:00.680 --> 00:09:04.960And Joel, pretty poker face, cold stare.21700:09:05.560 --> 00:09:08.160And we became pretty good friends.21800:09:08.240 --> 00:09:09.540I've lost touch with Joel.21900:09:09.960 --> 00:09:12.000But I remember doing those Bible studies.22000:09:12.820 --> 00:09:14.360And so who were some of your close22100:09:14.360 --> 00:09:15.680friends on the tour?22200:09:15.780 --> 00:09:17.680Yeah, Joel, I saw him a couple of22300:09:17.680 --> 00:09:20.080years ago at Las Colinas Country Club in22400:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.660Dallas at a champions event.22500:09:23.180 --> 00:09:25.020And he had had some health problems.22600:09:25.820 --> 00:09:27.880And then now it seems like he was22700:09:27.880 --> 00:09:29.100doing a lot better.22800:09:29.300 --> 00:09:29.980So he's there.22900:09:31.560 --> 00:09:34.920Larry Mize was a pretty good friend.23000:09:36.240 --> 00:09:37.960Sometimes we would hang out.23100:09:39.580 --> 00:09:41.900Some of the older guys, good friends with23200:09:41.900 --> 00:09:44.960Don Pooley and those type of guys, Larry23300:09:44.960 --> 00:09:45.380Nelson.23400:09:47.620 --> 00:09:49.860And then some of the younger guys that23500:09:49.860 --> 00:09:53.640came along with Zach Johnson and guys like23600:09:53.640 --> 00:09:54.020that.23700:09:54.020 --> 00:09:57.580And yeah, it just keeps rolling along.23800:09:57.700 --> 00:09:59.760I get pushed out and somebody else comes23900:09:59.760 --> 00:10:00.940and they'll get pushed out.24000:10:02.460 --> 00:10:05.780It's crazy how that is.24100:10:05.820 --> 00:10:07.760There's always somebody there to take your place,24200:10:08.100 --> 00:10:10.520whether it's in a Bible study or your24300:10:10.520 --> 00:10:12.880place on tour, if you don't make the24400:10:12.880 --> 00:10:15.140top 125, which now I think, what is24500:10:15.140 --> 00:10:16.340it, top 100 or something?24600:10:16.880 --> 00:10:17.020Wow.24700:10:18.140 --> 00:10:20.820Yeah, there's always somebody waiting to take your24800:10:20.820 --> 00:10:22.360place in everywhere, it seems like.24900:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.080You think you're expendable.25000:10:25.320 --> 00:10:26.820You're not expendable.25100:10:27.080 --> 00:10:32.800And all of a sudden, yeah, that's very25200:10:32.800 --> 00:10:35.140evident today to me.25300:10:35.240 --> 00:10:38.560What year did you qualify?25400:10:39.360 --> 00:10:40.960What year did you first play on the25500:10:40.960 --> 00:10:41.140tour?25600:10:41.880 --> 00:10:46.440So right out of college, um, the year25700:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.460before qualifying school, 1980 and 81 at college,25800:10:50.560 --> 00:10:53.260I, and all summer, I said, for the25900:10:53.260 --> 00:10:54.940next year, I'm going to try to top26000:10:54.940 --> 00:10:57.14010 in every tournament and act like it's26100:10:57.140 --> 00:10:58.200qualifying school.26200:10:58.640 --> 00:11:01.240So I prepared myself for a year before26300:11:01.240 --> 00:11:02.180qualifying school.26400:11:02.580 --> 00:11:07.140And I pretty much, uh, did, I think26500:11:07.140 --> 00:11:09.500I missed a couple early on in college,26600:11:09.500 --> 00:11:11.420but I ended up winning two in a26700:11:11.420 --> 00:11:16.080row in college in April, BYU and Arizona26800:11:16.080 --> 00:11:16.480State.26900:11:16.660 --> 00:11:20.940And then in the summer of June of27000:11:20.940 --> 00:11:24.08081, I played all the amateur tournaments in27100:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.220Colorado, the Colorado match play, I think I27200:11:26.220 --> 00:11:26.640won.27300:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.160But my mentality was, look, if you can27400:11:29.160 --> 00:11:30.940top 10 in everything, you can do that27500:11:30.940 --> 00:11:32.940at tour school, which I didn't know.27600:11:33.020 --> 00:11:34.880Well, yeah, obviously they're a little better players27700:11:34.880 --> 00:11:38.260at tour school, but it worked mentally for27800:11:38.260 --> 00:11:38.480me.27900:11:38.580 --> 00:11:40.760And when I went into tour school, I28000:11:40.760 --> 00:11:44.080qualified in, uh, like October 1st in Florida,28100:11:44.420 --> 00:11:48.300they were taking some people and, uh, like28200:11:48.300 --> 00:11:49.32025 people.28300:11:49.620 --> 00:11:52.760And then unfortunately I went to visit my28400:11:52.760 --> 00:11:55.520brother and his five-year-old daughter.28500:11:55.660 --> 00:11:57.540I was playing with her and she just,28600:11:57.680 --> 00:12:00.060she hit my thumb and, and broke my28700:12:00.060 --> 00:12:00.420thumb.28800:12:01.060 --> 00:12:03.480And then it took almost a year before28900:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.280I was playing many tours and started having29000:12:06.280 --> 00:12:07.140some success.29100:12:07.340 --> 00:12:11.900And so, uh, November, um, 86, I went29200:12:11.900 --> 00:12:13.700back to tour school and I won tour29300:12:13.700 --> 00:12:14.120school.29400:12:14.900 --> 00:12:17.360And then in 1987, when I got married,29500:12:17.420 --> 00:12:22.580uh, to Bonnie, um, she, I had already29600:12:22.580 --> 00:12:24.000gone through all the hard stuff.29700:12:24.380 --> 00:12:26.620And so it was kind of, she was29800:12:26.620 --> 00:12:28.660out on tour like, wow, this is, this29900:12:28.660 --> 00:12:29.380is pretty cool.30000:12:29.680 --> 00:12:31.540You know, and then I ended up, we30100:12:31.540 --> 00:12:34.300ended up winning the JCPenney of December of30200:12:34.300 --> 00:12:34.84087.30300:12:35.160 --> 00:12:37.300And then we won Pebble Beach, February of30400:12:37.300 --> 00:12:38.96088 for my first win.30500:12:39.700 --> 00:12:42.660So she hadn't even, uh, she hadn't even30600:12:42.660 --> 00:12:44.700been, we'd been married for what, eight or30700:12:44.700 --> 00:12:47.020nine months and she'd won two tournaments and30800:12:47.020 --> 00:12:49.860now I'm all exempt and, you know, life30900:12:49.860 --> 00:12:50.620was pretty good.31000:12:51.380 --> 00:12:51.480Yeah.31100:12:51.880 --> 00:12:55.440Talk, talk about, uh, qualifying school, Q school.31200:12:56.020 --> 00:12:59.320I've heard it's just really stressful, but you31300:12:59.320 --> 00:13:00.760don't let things get to you.31400:13:00.900 --> 00:13:02.380You're not a stressful guy.31500:13:02.820 --> 00:13:04.780If you are, it's not visible.31600:13:05.100 --> 00:13:07.440And like you said, it's not like you're31700:13:07.440 --> 00:13:08.680going to go out and grind for six31800:13:08.680 --> 00:13:11.740hours a day, every day, play every weekend.31900:13:11.960 --> 00:13:12.940You had other priorities.32000:13:13.080 --> 00:13:14.860We'll talk about those later, but talk about32100:13:14.860 --> 00:13:15.260Q school.32200:13:15.380 --> 00:13:16.240What was it like?32300:13:17.240 --> 00:13:18.880Well, back in those days, obviously it's a32400:13:18.880 --> 00:13:19.820lot different now.32500:13:20.100 --> 00:13:22.360They can't, they're qualifying to get on a32600:13:22.360 --> 00:13:23.440corn fairy tour.32700:13:24.020 --> 00:13:26.220Um, but I really liked it because it32800:13:26.220 --> 00:13:31.020was six days and you could just go32900:13:31.020 --> 00:13:33.360all out and there was a lot of33000:13:33.360 --> 00:13:33.680pressure.33100:13:34.240 --> 00:13:36.180And so you had to play pretty consistent.33200:13:36.320 --> 00:13:37.620You didn't want to blow yourself out with33300:13:37.620 --> 00:13:39.100a 75 or 78.33400:13:39.900 --> 00:13:43.060Um, but I, I just, I don't know33500:13:43.060 --> 00:13:44.580what it was, but I liked it.33600:13:44.580 --> 00:13:47.400I got my card, I think three out33700:13:47.400 --> 00:13:49.280of five times that I tried.33800:13:49.800 --> 00:13:49.980Yeah.33900:13:50.500 --> 00:13:52.560So the last one I won, which in34000:13:52.560 --> 00:13:54.40086, I didn't have to go back because34100:13:54.400 --> 00:13:55.760I kept my card after that.34200:13:55.900 --> 00:13:58.220But, uh, it's very interesting.34300:13:58.540 --> 00:13:59.880It's, it, you don't, a lot of people34400:13:59.880 --> 00:14:01.940don't talk to each other and I like34500:14:01.940 --> 00:14:04.540to talk and, you know, try to, that34600:14:04.540 --> 00:14:05.640helps relax me.34700:14:05.700 --> 00:14:07.780Kind of like Trevino, Trevino would make jokes34800:14:07.780 --> 00:14:09.400and talk with people.34900:14:09.400 --> 00:14:11.460And I learned that early on that I35000:14:11.460 --> 00:14:12.340needed to do that.35100:14:12.880 --> 00:14:14.660So if I was in a bad situation,35200:14:14.660 --> 00:14:16.360I might hit it over the green and35300:14:16.360 --> 00:14:19.420say, eh, it's only money or it's only35400:14:19.420 --> 00:14:20.140my tour card.35500:14:20.200 --> 00:14:20.700Big deal.35600:14:21.040 --> 00:14:23.340People would laugh and everybody would loosen up.35700:14:23.420 --> 00:14:24.380And a lot of times I'd get it35800:14:24.380 --> 00:14:26.580up and down and, uh, it would help35900:14:26.580 --> 00:14:26.760me.36000:14:26.860 --> 00:14:28.300So that's kind of how I went through36100:14:28.300 --> 00:14:28.720my career.36200:14:28.840 --> 00:14:32.740When I, when I clammed up and just36300:14:33.380 --> 00:14:35.900tried to be serious the whole time, it36400:14:35.900 --> 00:14:36.940just didn't work for me.36500:14:37.160 --> 00:14:39.460So I had to get away from golf36600:14:39.460 --> 00:14:42.040while I was walking down the fairway, maybe36700:14:42.040 --> 00:14:43.320wave at somebody or whatever.36800:14:43.460 --> 00:14:45.300And then when I got to my shot,36900:14:45.320 --> 00:14:47.620I needed 20, 30 seconds to hit it.37000:14:47.740 --> 00:14:49.140And then I'd kind of get out of37100:14:49.140 --> 00:14:49.320that.37200:14:49.400 --> 00:14:51.100Again, I'd go in and out of golf37300:14:51.100 --> 00:14:52.060mind.37400:14:52.500 --> 00:14:54.240And that's kind of what helped me.37500:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.260Your biggest win was the U S open37600:14:57.260 --> 00:15:02.660in 1997, 1996, 1996.37700:15:02.660 --> 00:15:02.760Okay.37800:15:03.580 --> 00:15:04.1001996.37900:15:04.100 --> 00:15:05.620What was that last hole?38000:15:05.880 --> 00:15:07.260Where was that tournament that year?38100:15:07.340 --> 00:15:08.460Where was the open that year?38200:15:08.880 --> 00:15:11.480That was in a Bloomfield Hills, Michigan at38300:15:11.480 --> 00:15:12.340Oakland Hills.38400:15:12.760 --> 00:15:13.560Oakland Hills.38500:15:13.860 --> 00:15:15.520Tell me about the last hole.38600:15:15.700 --> 00:15:17.400We, you and I've talked about this before,38700:15:17.400 --> 00:15:19.640but tell me about the last hole of38800:15:19.640 --> 00:15:20.400the U S open.38900:15:20.780 --> 00:15:22.440Were you in a big lead?39000:15:22.480 --> 00:15:24.600Were you tied with your buddy, Tom Lehman?39100:15:24.780 --> 00:15:26.760You guys were playing together in the last39200:15:26.760 --> 00:15:27.360group, right?39300:15:27.860 --> 00:15:28.300Yeah.39400:15:28.700 --> 00:15:30.580And tell me what that was like going39500:15:30.580 --> 00:15:31.520down that last hole.39600:15:32.640 --> 00:15:33.080Yeah.39700:15:33.180 --> 00:15:37.320I, uh, hadn't made a birdie all day39800:15:37.320 --> 00:15:38.420until number nine.39900:15:38.560 --> 00:15:40.280I parred the first eight holes and then40000:15:40.280 --> 00:15:42.240I birdied nine, 10 and 12 and all40100:15:42.240 --> 00:15:43.240of a sudden I had a two shot40200:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.640lead and I bogeyed 13 and 17.40300:15:47.360 --> 00:15:49.560Uh, to tie it up, to make it40400:15:49.560 --> 00:15:50.060exciting.40500:15:50.780 --> 00:15:54.580And, uh, Davis love and Tom, we're all40600:15:54.580 --> 00:15:57.100tied at two under going to the last40700:15:57.100 --> 00:15:57.380hole.40800:15:57.540 --> 00:15:59.080And Davis was up ahead of me.40900:15:59.220 --> 00:16:00.920I didn't know, but he was, he three41000:16:00.920 --> 00:16:04.400putted and, um, Tom and I played together.41100:16:04.540 --> 00:16:06.620Tom hit his tee shot and then he41200:16:06.620 --> 00:16:08.420pulled three without hooked it in the left41300:16:08.420 --> 00:16:08.760bunker.41400:16:09.060 --> 00:16:11.180I hit my driver down the right side41500:16:11.180 --> 00:16:13.880six days in a row, two practice days41600:16:13.880 --> 00:16:16.600and all four tournament days.41700:16:16.680 --> 00:16:18.180I hit my driver down the right side41800:16:18.180 --> 00:16:18.960with a little draw.41900:16:19.440 --> 00:16:19.800Perfect.42000:16:19.920 --> 00:16:20.620Right down the middle.42100:16:21.000 --> 00:16:22.120So it was pretty far.42200:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.040I'll never forget that feeling of the sun42300:16:24.040 --> 00:16:27.100setting a little cloudy and, and I hit42400:16:27.100 --> 00:16:29.440this shot and just dead solid.42500:16:29.580 --> 00:16:32.120But as soon as I hit it, it's42600:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.040like the nerves just went like, like the42700:16:34.040 --> 00:16:35.940yips after I hit it, it was a42800:16:35.940 --> 00:16:36.820weird, really strange.42900:16:36.900 --> 00:16:37.760I watched the video.43000:16:38.640 --> 00:16:40.380Um, but yeah, it was, and I walked43100:16:40.380 --> 00:16:41.980off the tee and I looked at Tom43200:16:41.980 --> 00:16:43.920and I said, Hey, this is what it's43300:16:43.920 --> 00:16:44.460all about.43400:16:44.980 --> 00:16:46.460And he kind of looked at me with43500:16:46.460 --> 00:16:49.480this, just kind of looked at me.43600:16:49.560 --> 00:16:51.740He didn't really say anything like, oh, okay.43700:16:53.280 --> 00:16:55.700So later on, I, uh, he told me,43800:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.140he said, uh, yeah, I remember you made43900:16:58.140 --> 00:16:58.700that comment.44000:16:58.880 --> 00:17:00.240This is what it's all about on the44100:17:00.240 --> 00:17:00.86018th hole.44200:17:00.940 --> 00:17:02.580I said, yeah, he says I was in44300:17:02.580 --> 00:17:03.020the bunker.44400:17:03.500 --> 00:17:04.960You were in the middle of the fairway.44500:17:05.720 --> 00:17:06.520What do you mean?44600:17:06.619 --> 00:17:08.200This is what it's all about.44700:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.660Um, so yeah, that was, uh, you know,44800:17:11.700 --> 00:17:13.140sometimes you say stuff you don't even think44900:17:13.140 --> 00:17:14.819about you're thinking, this is it, you know,45000:17:14.859 --> 00:17:16.099us open, this is what it's all about.45100:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.140And he had been in like the final45200:17:18.140 --> 00:17:20.599group and like five majors in a row45300:17:20.599 --> 00:17:21.060or something.45400:17:21.060 --> 00:17:23.800He was, he just hadn't, he hadn't won45500:17:23.800 --> 00:17:24.240one yet.45600:17:24.720 --> 00:17:27.620And then a month later he won the45700:17:27.620 --> 00:17:29.900British open and then Davis won the next45800:17:29.900 --> 00:17:32.900year at wing foot with the PGA with45900:17:32.900 --> 00:17:36.440the rainbow and his dad had died, uh,46000:17:36.440 --> 00:17:37.540before that.46100:17:37.600 --> 00:17:40.260And it was pretty cool to watch that.46200:17:41.300 --> 00:17:43.660Is that your most memorable tournament?46300:17:46.580 --> 00:17:48.960I would say, well, here's the thing.46400:17:49.120 --> 00:17:51.360How do you guys, I mean, I don't46500:17:51.360 --> 00:17:54.280remember what I had for lunch yesterday or46600:17:54.280 --> 00:17:55.460if I had lunch yesterday.46700:17:56.660 --> 00:17:58.440Anyway, how do you remember?46800:17:58.740 --> 00:18:00.640I mean, maybe you don't remember because like46900:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.560I said, you've you, um, like you said,47000:18:04.000 --> 00:18:06.280golf has never consumed your life.47100:18:06.420 --> 00:18:07.380I know what has.47200:18:08.660 --> 00:18:11.440And, um, how do people like Nicholas?47300:18:11.680 --> 00:18:11.900Yeah.47400:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.320In 1963, I hit an eight iron on47500:18:14.320 --> 00:18:15.240the blah, blah, blah.47600:18:15.300 --> 00:18:16.280And it came within six.47700:18:17.180 --> 00:18:18.940Do you remember stuff like that?47800:18:19.100 --> 00:18:20.700Do you remember your best shot?47900:18:20.760 --> 00:18:21.700Your favorite tournament?48000:18:21.880 --> 00:18:22.000What?48100:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.400Yeah, I remember a few things, but I48200:18:24.400 --> 00:18:25.660think it's just like anything.48300:18:25.740 --> 00:18:27.440If you, if you tell a story, you'll48400:18:27.440 --> 00:18:28.160remember it.48500:18:28.740 --> 00:18:34.500Like I've forgotten 40 or 50 really funny48600:18:34.500 --> 00:18:36.580things that's happened on the course of players48700:18:36.580 --> 00:18:39.180and incidents because I don't repeat them.48800:18:39.580 --> 00:18:41.620So you just, I just let things go.48900:18:41.700 --> 00:18:43.800And golfers supposed to have short memories, right?49000:18:44.340 --> 00:18:45.520You Ogie a hole.49100:18:45.820 --> 00:18:47.320You got to go to the next hole49200:18:47.320 --> 00:18:49.320because the next shot's the most important.49300:18:49.860 --> 00:18:53.960Um, but guys like, uh, Paul Azinger, um,49400:18:54.080 --> 00:18:58.540Billy Andre, obviously Trevino, those guys, they will,49500:18:58.740 --> 00:19:01.320they regurgitate stuff and they will tell you49600:19:01.320 --> 00:19:04.860story after story for, you know, for a49700:19:04.860 --> 00:19:05.260year.49800:19:05.420 --> 00:19:05.960Yeah.49900:19:06.020 --> 00:19:08.280But this never was that guy that to50000:19:08.280 --> 00:19:09.240repeat stories.50100:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.240And I have a couple of funny ones,50200:19:11.380 --> 00:19:15.340but, um, even those sometimes I almost forget50300:19:15.340 --> 00:19:17.400if I don't talk about it.50400:19:17.960 --> 00:19:18.060Yeah.50500:19:18.460 --> 00:19:22.300I remember meeting you, uh, the first time50600:19:22.300 --> 00:19:24.720we met and you know, we've run across50700:19:24.720 --> 00:19:26.820different people in different walks of life.50800:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.280I remember, uh, a mutual friend said you50900:19:30.280 --> 00:19:32.760wanted to meet me and you came to51000:19:32.760 --> 00:19:34.400Houston to play in the tour championship.51100:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.380And at the time the tour championship ping51200:19:37.380 --> 00:19:39.860pong behind, uh, back and forth from Atlanta51300:19:39.860 --> 00:19:41.440to Houston.51400:19:41.440 --> 00:19:43.040So the champions club in Houston.51500:19:43.040 --> 00:19:45.720So you were in Houston playing the top51600:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.42030 champions, uh, tour championship at the, at51700:19:49.420 --> 00:19:50.140the end of the year.51800:19:50.220 --> 00:19:51.460Then I don't know what it's like now,51900:19:51.780 --> 00:19:53.700but 30 winners came and played.52000:19:53.780 --> 00:19:55.300There were no cuts and just played.52100:19:55.860 --> 00:19:58.200And I tell people all the time, you52200:19:58.200 --> 00:19:59.720guys know where your wives are.52300:19:59.900 --> 00:20:01.900You know what she's wearing and you know52400:20:01.900 --> 00:20:04.540where she is and she's walking right along52500:20:04.540 --> 00:20:05.080with you.52600:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.460Sometimes she goes ahead to be there when52700:20:07.460 --> 00:20:09.400you land your next shot or when you're52800:20:09.400 --> 00:20:10.540ready to hit your next shot.52900:20:10.640 --> 00:20:12.820So you knew where Bonnie was and I'm53000:20:12.820 --> 00:20:16.240standing there and you catch her, uh, her53100:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.160eye and she points to me and you53200:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.080came over there and embarrassed the heck out53300:20:22.080 --> 00:20:22.400of me.53400:20:22.800 --> 00:20:24.620You fell on your knees and did the,53500:20:24.720 --> 00:20:25.360this thing.53600:20:25.400 --> 00:20:26.160I'm like, what?53700:20:26.660 --> 00:20:27.900Oh, he's a man.53800:20:28.220 --> 00:20:28.400Cool.53900:20:28.540 --> 00:20:30.000Your ball was in the fairway.54000:20:30.080 --> 00:20:31.280You're like, go hit your shot.54100:20:31.380 --> 00:20:32.380You were just being you.54200:20:32.420 --> 00:20:34.600And I realized this guy is a different54300:20:34.600 --> 00:20:37.560guy and you, I think you and Bonnie54400:20:37.560 --> 00:20:40.320and Tom layman came to my house that54500:20:40.320 --> 00:20:42.000night or one of those nights we had54600:20:42.000 --> 00:20:42.300dinner.54700:20:44.100 --> 00:20:45.540I'll never forget that.54800:20:45.560 --> 00:20:47.660And we have, we have been together a54900:20:47.660 --> 00:20:47.800lot.55000:20:47.880 --> 00:20:49.220We followed you in a lot of tournaments.55100:20:49.220 --> 00:20:50.520We walked a lot of tournaments.55200:20:50.920 --> 00:20:52.820Uh, we were at double beach with you.55300:20:53.080 --> 00:20:54.640Uh, one year, I think the year that55400:20:54.640 --> 00:20:56.700maybe tiger, you were playing that year that55500:20:56.700 --> 00:20:59.500you're the tiger one by 15 or 1755600:20:59.500 --> 00:21:00.540shots or something.55700:21:01.700 --> 00:21:02.060Yeah.55800:21:02.480 --> 00:21:02.960Yeah.55900:21:02.960 --> 00:21:03.440I remember.56000:21:03.540 --> 00:21:05.500And that was pre nine, things were different56100:21:05.500 --> 00:21:05.800then.56200:21:06.580 --> 00:21:08.080Uh, I went in a lot of locker56300:21:08.080 --> 00:21:08.820rooms with you.56400:21:08.940 --> 00:21:10.520We'd go in there and hang out or,56500:21:10.700 --> 00:21:13.960and boy, after, after nine 11 things, things56600:21:13.960 --> 00:21:17.600really, really changed, but we've been through a56700:21:17.600 --> 00:21:18.180lot together.56800:21:18.420 --> 00:21:21.280We've talked through some very difficult times for,56900:21:21.280 --> 00:21:23.680uh, on my side and on your side.57000:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.600I remember, uh, things we don't have to,57100:21:26.680 --> 00:21:28.740we don't need to share with everybody, but,57200:21:28.740 --> 00:21:32.900uh, those kinds of things make lifelong friendships.57300:21:33.320 --> 00:21:34.880And even though you and I haven't seen57400:21:34.880 --> 00:21:37.140each other in a long time, uh, conversations57500:21:37.140 --> 00:21:38.720like this are like, yeah, yeah.57600:21:38.720 --> 00:21:39.620We talked yesterday.57700:21:39.860 --> 00:21:40.600We had lunches.57800:21:41.320 --> 00:21:43.560Uh, I know what's important to you.57900:21:43.660 --> 00:21:47.320Tell me about your childhood real quick, your58000:21:47.320 --> 00:21:48.100early life.58100:21:48.260 --> 00:21:50.760Uh, I know you came to Christ, uh,58200:21:50.840 --> 00:21:53.800later in life later than me because, uh,58300:21:54.440 --> 00:21:56.940uh, my parents, it was small town and58400:21:56.940 --> 00:22:00.560it was all about, um, all about that.58500:22:00.640 --> 00:22:02.380Tell me about your early life.58600:22:02.880 --> 00:22:04.480Did you grow up in a church?58700:22:04.520 --> 00:22:05.480Did you grow up?58800:22:05.700 --> 00:22:06.440Eh, whatever.58900:22:07.120 --> 00:22:08.060What was it like?59000:22:09.140 --> 00:22:09.580Yeah.59100:22:09.780 --> 00:22:12.140Um, I, I do remember that day at59200:22:12.140 --> 00:22:12.640Houston.59300:22:12.640 --> 00:22:14.820I met you cause we had been at59400:22:14.820 --> 00:22:16.620Scottsdale Bible church in the eighties when you59500:22:16.620 --> 00:22:18.480came with your acoustic guitar and was up59600:22:18.480 --> 00:22:19.000on stage.59700:22:19.140 --> 00:22:20.280I'm like, look at this guy with a59800:22:20.280 --> 00:22:20.900long hair.59900:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.440And that is a coolest sound guitar.60000:22:25.040 --> 00:22:26.280I can't play it.60100:22:26.340 --> 00:22:27.020I love it.60200:22:27.460 --> 00:22:29.700And I'm like, wow, that would be cool60300:22:29.700 --> 00:22:30.300to know him.60400:22:30.820 --> 00:22:34.320Uh, I didn't think much past that, but60500:22:34.320 --> 00:22:36.420it was like many years later, I don't60600:22:36.420 --> 00:22:38.220know, six or seven years later when we60700:22:38.220 --> 00:22:38.880finally met.60800:22:39.580 --> 00:22:41.760Um, so it was like, oh yeah, he60900:22:41.760 --> 00:22:43.880lives in Houston and then so-and-so61000:22:43.880 --> 00:22:44.400knows him.61100:22:44.560 --> 00:22:45.180Oh, he's coming out.61200:22:45.280 --> 00:22:45.760Oh, he is.61300:22:45.840 --> 00:22:46.100Okay.61400:22:46.160 --> 00:22:47.020I love to meet him.61500:22:47.680 --> 00:22:49.760Um, but that was a start of our61600:22:49.760 --> 00:22:50.160friendship.61700:22:50.860 --> 00:22:53.000Uh, and you get, you know, golf is61800:22:53.000 --> 00:22:53.420like that.61900:22:53.480 --> 00:22:54.960You're, you go all over the world.62000:22:55.040 --> 00:22:56.620You meet a lot of people, you know,62100:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.220I've hit a golf ball off the Great62200:22:58.220 --> 00:23:00.540Wall of China, you know, been to Korea,62300:23:00.780 --> 00:23:03.560been Japan, you know, Europe, wherever.62400:23:04.180 --> 00:23:07.260Um, it's been very good to Bonnie and62500:23:07.260 --> 00:23:09.360I, and we've been able to do all62600:23:09.360 --> 00:23:10.980of our traveling while we were young and62700:23:10.980 --> 00:23:14.440we could walk as we get older and62800:23:14.440 --> 00:23:15.720not able to walk as good.62900:23:16.000 --> 00:23:17.700We don't have to go anywhere because we've63000:23:17.700 --> 00:23:19.200already been to most places.63100:23:19.360 --> 00:23:20.320So that's been a blessing.63200:23:20.580 --> 00:23:22.700But yeah, I was, uh, I lived 1063300:23:22.700 --> 00:23:25.860years in, in New Mexico and never played63400:23:25.860 --> 00:23:27.240golf, but played sports.63500:23:27.300 --> 00:23:29.940My mom was a little league baseball coach.63600:23:30.180 --> 00:23:32.220My mom and dad both were very athletic.63700:23:32.560 --> 00:23:34.980So I had five brothers and everybody was63800:23:34.980 --> 00:23:35.440athletic.63900:23:36.360 --> 00:23:38.660Everybody could shoot a basketball, everybody could run.64000:23:38.740 --> 00:23:41.000Everybody could hit a baseball.64100:23:41.340 --> 00:23:43.220Uh, my dad was a coach and a64200:23:43.220 --> 00:23:43.900history teacher.64300:23:44.360 --> 00:23:46.780And then in 1970, we moved to Colorado,64400:23:46.780 --> 00:23:48.800which is where I first started playing golf64500:23:48.800 --> 00:23:51.180at Yuma, Colorado, a little nine hole golf64600:23:51.180 --> 00:23:51.540course.64700:23:52.060 --> 00:23:53.640And it was a hundred dollars a year64800:23:53.640 --> 00:23:55.840for like the next 20 years for the64900:23:55.840 --> 00:23:56.380whole family.65000:23:56.500 --> 00:23:57.720They didn't increase the price.65100:23:57.980 --> 00:23:59.240So it was pretty cheap.65200:23:59.380 --> 00:24:01.020And I would go out there and spend65300:24:01.020 --> 00:24:05.800eight, 10, you know, maybe even 12 hours65400:24:05.800 --> 00:24:08.180a day sometimes, and just played three or65500:24:08.180 --> 00:24:10.060four or five times around that nine hole65600:24:10.060 --> 00:24:12.500course and do a little bit of practice65700:24:12.500 --> 00:24:13.360and, but not much.65800:24:13.360 --> 00:24:16.240And then, um, I just, I fell in65900:24:16.240 --> 00:24:16.780love with the game.66000:24:16.860 --> 00:24:19.720I learned how to teach myself through reading66100:24:19.720 --> 00:24:21.940golf magazines and trying different things.66200:24:22.020 --> 00:24:23.080And the next day I'm like, Oh, I'm66300:24:23.080 --> 00:24:24.180going to try that technique.66400:24:24.780 --> 00:24:27.800You look for everything, a space age putter66500:24:27.800 --> 00:24:28.820and all these things.66600:24:28.940 --> 00:24:31.220And now I see what amateurs go through.66700:24:31.280 --> 00:24:32.420Oh, you got to have this new driver66800:24:32.420 --> 00:24:32.920every year.66900:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.440You got to have this new putter, new67000:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.400wedge, space alien wedge, you know, to help67100:24:37.400 --> 00:24:38.220you get out of the bunker.67200:24:38.420 --> 00:24:40.980And then in 1977, went to university of67300:24:40.980 --> 00:24:44.460Colorado for four years, which I tell a67400:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.060lot of kids, look, you don't have to67500:24:46.060 --> 00:24:48.520go someplace warm because what it did for67600:24:48.520 --> 00:24:50.820me was I had a break from golf67700:24:50.820 --> 00:24:51.780in the wintertime.67800:24:52.580 --> 00:24:54.400And what that meant was I didn't get67900:24:54.400 --> 00:24:55.280burned out on it.68000:24:55.700 --> 00:24:57.240And a lot of guys that were a68100:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.260lot better than me went to Arizona state68200:24:59.260 --> 00:25:04.180or Houston or Florida, and they just played68300:25:04.180 --> 00:25:05.640year round nonstop.68400:25:05.820 --> 00:25:05.980Right.68500:25:06.420 --> 00:25:10.720And for me having that break playing bad68600:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.000tournaments during the winter.68700:25:12.120 --> 00:25:14.380And then by the time June came around,68800:25:14.380 --> 00:25:15.920I'm back to my good game.68900:25:16.000 --> 00:25:18.640And then about October, November, my game would69000:25:18.640 --> 00:25:19.060suffer.69100:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.200And that probably helped keep me in the69200:25:22.200 --> 00:25:22.500game.69300:25:23.600 --> 00:25:27.380And in 1981, I turned pro and then69400:25:27.380 --> 00:25:31.720had my own story with my injuries and69500:25:31.720 --> 00:25:33.440different things.69600:25:33.600 --> 00:25:36.360I've actually, I'm 67 now, and I've been69700:25:36.360 --> 00:25:40.720hurt since I was 22 years old.69800:25:40.760 --> 00:25:43.340So the last 55 years, I've been hurt69900:25:43.340 --> 00:25:44.84015 years of my career.70000:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.680And that's a career for some people, 1570100:25:48.680 --> 00:25:49.060years.70200:25:50.360 --> 00:25:52.840And there's just, some people break down.70300:25:52.940 --> 00:25:55.480I break down doing, some of it was70400:25:55.480 --> 00:25:56.220my own fault.70500:25:56.620 --> 00:25:59.460Some of it was like the motorcycle wreck70600:25:59.460 --> 00:25:59.960in 91.70700:26:00.280 --> 00:26:03.120I didn't know how to stop very quick.70800:26:03.320 --> 00:26:04.900So I needed to stop quick.70900:26:05.120 --> 00:26:06.000That's wrong.71000:26:06.280 --> 00:26:06.380Yeah.71100:26:06.720 --> 00:26:09.740Front brake, slide, flip over, whatever.71200:26:11.640 --> 00:26:13.360The first time I went down on a71300:26:13.360 --> 00:26:16.340motorcycle, I was very new at it.71400:26:16.420 --> 00:26:20.300My mom and dad were like, don't look71500:26:20.300 --> 00:26:22.440at, my cousin had a bike, don't look71600:26:22.440 --> 00:26:22.800at it.71700:26:23.320 --> 00:26:24.300Don't touch it.71800:26:25.300 --> 00:26:27.240So when I turned 30, I bought my71900:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.660first bike and I'd ridden a couple of72000:26:28.660 --> 00:26:30.400hundred miles and I'm going down this road72100:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.000and I'm still kind of getting, and I'd72200:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.900never ridden anything and I'm getting the feel72300:26:33.900 --> 00:26:34.160of it.72400:26:34.160 --> 00:26:35.820And I decided to turn left and there72500:26:35.820 --> 00:26:37.400were some rocks piled up in the middle72600:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.560of the road and I caught too much72700:26:39.560 --> 00:26:43.480front brake and went down and I mean,72800:26:43.540 --> 00:26:44.400just shocking.72900:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.420And thank God there was no car coming73000:26:46.420 --> 00:26:47.460or anything like that.73100:26:47.520 --> 00:26:49.960But yeah, uh, your, your life changed quick.73200:26:50.040 --> 00:26:51.760I didn't realize your, was it your niece73300:26:51.760 --> 00:26:52.580that broke your thumb?73400:26:53.020 --> 00:26:53.640Your, your.73500:26:54.020 --> 00:26:54.180Yeah.73600:26:54.340 --> 00:26:54.560Yeah.73700:26:54.600 --> 00:26:55.200It was my, she was.73800:26:55.320 --> 00:26:56.060I didn't know that.73900:26:56.460 --> 00:26:56.860Yeah.74000:26:56.980 --> 00:26:57.160I didn't.74100:26:57.500 --> 00:26:59.280I thought it was the motorcycle thing.74200:26:59.320 --> 00:26:59.860So what happened?74300:26:59.960 --> 00:27:03.140The motorcycle broke your little digit, right?74400:27:03.580 --> 00:27:04.440My ring finger.74500:27:04.920 --> 00:27:05.020Yeah.74600:27:05.700 --> 00:27:06.440Oh, look at that.74700:27:07.020 --> 00:27:10.600It more actually, I had already dislocated this74800:27:10.600 --> 00:27:12.600thing in sports when I was in high74900:27:12.600 --> 00:27:15.080school and I dislocated this one that way75000:27:15.080 --> 00:27:17.300and this one up and I put it75100:27:17.300 --> 00:27:17.520back.75200:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.220Um, but yeah, I've had a lot of75300:27:20.220 --> 00:27:20.920hand problems.75400:27:21.120 --> 00:27:24.340I I've never had a broken bone and75500:27:24.340 --> 00:27:26.880I, my back has always been really good.75600:27:27.280 --> 00:27:30.320Um, I've, I've had, you know, three or75700:27:30.320 --> 00:27:33.660two, a rotator surgery, three elbow surgeries, two75800:27:33.660 --> 00:27:37.660knee surgeries, um, um, open heart surgery, uh,75900:27:37.720 --> 00:27:38.400gallbladder.76000:27:39.100 --> 00:27:41.400Um, I can't even think what else would76100:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.980I have other things, but you know, a76200:27:43.980 --> 00:27:45.760lot of everybody has pains as they get76300:27:45.760 --> 00:27:46.640older and arthritis.76400:27:48.140 --> 00:27:50.420Uh, I, you know, I don't turn as76500:27:50.420 --> 00:27:52.320good as I used to cause of the76600:27:52.320 --> 00:27:53.360neck and the shoulders.76700:27:53.360 --> 00:27:55.420And so you take it back shorter, you76800:27:55.420 --> 00:27:56.980don't hit it as far, right?76900:27:57.380 --> 00:27:59.340So there's a lot of injuries that come77000:27:59.340 --> 00:28:01.420along with golf, but you, if you can77100:28:01.420 --> 00:28:03.960stay halfway healthy, you can play till you're77200:28:04.680 --> 00:28:05.56080 or 90.77300:28:05.740 --> 00:28:07.140You know, I see guys doing it all77400:28:07.140 --> 00:28:08.840the time that are 90 years old playing.77500:28:09.260 --> 00:28:12.300And of course they had this shorter, but77600:28:12.300 --> 00:28:13.660golf is a fun game.77700:28:13.720 --> 00:28:16.100And, um, it's given me a lot.77800:28:16.620 --> 00:28:18.600I remember you were playing, I think you77900:28:18.600 --> 00:28:20.920were playing in new Orleans and you called78000:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.780me and you'd had a, uh, an AFib,78100:28:24.360 --> 00:28:25.400uh, episode.78200:28:26.100 --> 00:28:26.200Yeah.78300:28:26.520 --> 00:28:30.440Your heart started at 200 plus a minute78400:28:30.440 --> 00:28:31.060or whatever.78500:28:31.260 --> 00:28:33.620And you came over here and we got78600:28:33.620 --> 00:28:35.820you in to see someone at St. Luke's.78700:28:35.940 --> 00:28:37.980Houston's not a bad place to be sick.78800:28:38.520 --> 00:28:40.040And you came over here and we got78900:28:40.040 --> 00:28:40.660you an appointment.79000:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.660And, uh, that was another, one of those79100:28:43.660 --> 00:28:44.820things had nothing to do with golf.79200:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.560It was just about, uh, being friends and,79300:28:47.560 --> 00:28:49.400and making it happen.79400:28:50.040 --> 00:28:53.320Um, I know that, I know for a79500:28:53.320 --> 00:28:55.460lot of people and I hear these, these79600:28:55.460 --> 00:28:59.300young athletes talk about, uh, what's important to79700:28:59.300 --> 00:28:59.680them.79800:28:59.920 --> 00:29:03.300And it seemed like a lot of NFL79900:29:03.300 --> 00:29:10.140players are now, uh, giving, um, testifying to80000:29:10.140 --> 00:29:12.500their faith in interviews.80100:29:12.500 --> 00:29:15.300I know the most important thing to you,80200:29:15.840 --> 00:29:16.960uh, is not golf.80300:29:17.580 --> 00:29:19.580It's not even maybe in the top four80400:29:19.580 --> 00:29:23.000or five, but, uh, your faith in Christ80500:29:23.000 --> 00:29:23.940is the top.80600:29:24.420 --> 00:29:27.580Your, your long, let me just emphasize your80700:29:27.580 --> 00:29:29.940long suffering wife.80800:29:31.380 --> 00:29:33.040First of all, just from being married to80900:29:33.040 --> 00:29:36.520you is one thing, but what she's, she's81000:29:36.520 --> 00:29:40.060been through and she's, she's like mine.81100:29:40.200 --> 00:29:41.260She's a rock man.81200:29:41.280 --> 00:29:43.320And when it comes time for to dig81300:29:43.320 --> 00:29:45.500in, we're kind of going through that right81400:29:45.500 --> 00:29:45.820now.81500:29:46.560 --> 00:29:48.700Uh, they can either noodle out or they81600:29:48.700 --> 00:29:50.880just dig in like, well, I'm here.81700:29:50.980 --> 00:29:52.300We're going to, we're going to work through81800:29:52.300 --> 00:29:52.660this.81900:29:52.840 --> 00:29:54.260So tell me about your kids.82000:29:54.360 --> 00:29:56.020I sang at your daughter's wedding.82100:29:56.240 --> 00:29:57.400I'll never forget that.82200:29:57.420 --> 00:29:59.180I came out and sang at your daughter's82300:29:59.180 --> 00:29:59.560wedding.82400:30:00.220 --> 00:30:00.620Beautiful.82500:30:01.620 --> 00:30:02.920And I don't know how many, it had82600:30:02.920 --> 00:30:04.180to be 10 years ago, right?82700:30:04.480 --> 00:30:05.380What year was that?82800:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.520You know, I, I, some reason I have82900:30:08.520 --> 00:30:10.160years, I don't know.83000:30:10.700 --> 00:30:13.700You think I look at, okay, my grandson's83100:30:13.700 --> 00:30:14.140six.83200:30:14.500 --> 00:30:17.980So yeah, I'm thinking, uh, well, she just,83300:30:18.140 --> 00:30:21.740he's turned my, my daughter turned 33 on,83400:30:21.740 --> 00:30:24.740uh, Saturday, a couple of days ago on83500:30:24.740 --> 00:30:25.620the 21st.83600:30:25.720 --> 00:30:26.240Okay.83700:30:26.500 --> 00:30:28.680So she's 33 and she got married at83800:30:28.680 --> 00:30:29.14021.83900:30:29.360 --> 00:30:30.540It was 12 years ago.84000:30:30.540 --> 00:30:30.980Wow.84100:30:31.500 --> 00:30:31.900Yeah.84200:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.240I remember I came home and you had84300:30:34.240 --> 00:30:35.900been very generous with us.84400:30:36.060 --> 00:30:37.580We had a nice trip out there.84500:30:37.660 --> 00:30:38.880I came home and there was a big,84600:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.760uh, cardboard box on my front door.84700:30:42.220 --> 00:30:44.960It was full of Titleist, uh, Pro V184800:30:44.960 --> 00:30:45.720golf balls.84900:30:46.600 --> 00:30:48.520And I think I still have one sleeve.85000:30:49.340 --> 00:30:51.120The rest of them were sprayed all over85100:30:51.120 --> 00:30:53.300the country, but it was just great, man.85200:30:53.420 --> 00:30:55.420It was, uh, it was a great time.85300:30:56.060 --> 00:31:00.340It was my daughter and obviously the, my85400:31:00.340 --> 00:31:03.020daughter's, um, mother-in-law.85500:31:03.900 --> 00:31:04.460Absolutely.85600:31:04.920 --> 00:31:06.640You were like her favorite singer.85700:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.060When she heard that you were coming in85800:31:09.060 --> 00:31:12.640to sing, uh, she was just thrilled beyond85900:31:12.640 --> 00:31:13.220belief.86000:31:13.220 --> 00:31:14.840And a lot of people were, you did86100:31:14.840 --> 00:31:16.880a great job and it was, it was86200:31:16.880 --> 00:31:21.140pretty cool to, um, to have you there86300:31:21.140 --> 00:31:22.140and be a part of it.86400:31:22.740 --> 00:31:25.760Um, and now my son being a worship86500:31:25.760 --> 00:31:28.080leader, the last three or four years here86600:31:28.080 --> 00:31:31.380in Arizona is just, you know, thrills a86700:31:31.380 --> 00:31:34.100mother and dad's heart beyond belief.86800:31:34.620 --> 00:31:37.760Um, my daughter's walking with the Lord with86900:31:37.760 --> 00:31:41.660her husband and teaching the kids scriptures, which87000:31:41.660 --> 00:31:42.640is just so important.87100:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.660And our kids, you know, train up a87200:31:45.660 --> 00:31:47.320child the way you should go and he87300:31:47.320 --> 00:31:48.760will not depart from it when he gets87400:31:48.760 --> 00:31:49.100old.87500:31:49.260 --> 00:31:51.660And that's both of my kids are, you87600:31:51.660 --> 00:31:53.400know, walking with the Lord and that thrills87700:31:53.400 --> 00:31:54.860a parent more than anything.87800:31:55.440 --> 00:31:56.700Uh, but God is good.87900:31:56.760 --> 00:31:59.760I mean, and it was crazy story.88000:31:59.860 --> 00:32:00.820I tell my testimony.88100:32:01.000 --> 00:32:02.580I've told it many, many times in front88200:32:02.580 --> 00:32:05.100of a lot of people around the tour,88300:32:05.340 --> 00:32:06.120different.88400:32:06.620 --> 00:32:08.260Uh, so we had a big one there88500:32:08.260 --> 00:32:08.940in Houston.88600:32:08.980 --> 00:32:11.880It was like 800 people and I got88700:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.140to share my testimony.88800:32:13.760 --> 00:32:15.560I think FCA put that on maybe.88900:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.840Um, but anyway, since 1980, November 11th of89000:32:19.840 --> 00:32:23.16084, uh, that's my spiritual birthday.89100:32:23.780 --> 00:32:28.120And I was going to Asia in October.89200:32:28.560 --> 00:32:31.880I was planning on going to Asia and89300:32:31.880 --> 00:32:33.740I'd been going to church for six months89400:32:33.740 --> 00:32:35.260because this girl asked me to go.89500:32:36.560 --> 00:32:41.060And so here it is, uh, two weeks89600:32:41.060 --> 00:32:42.660before I'm supposed to go to Asia for89700:32:42.660 --> 00:32:43.560two months.89800:32:44.360 --> 00:32:48.560I, uh, accepted Christ and Scottsdale Bible church89900:32:48.560 --> 00:32:51.340and Dr. Layman Strauss came in and he90000:32:51.340 --> 00:32:53.980gave a little, gave a sermon and said,90100:32:54.060 --> 00:32:55.540you're either a son of God or your90200:32:55.540 --> 00:32:56.120son of Satan.90300:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.360You can't be in between, you can't ride90400:32:58.360 --> 00:32:58.920the fence.90500:32:59.120 --> 00:33:00.700And that's what I needed to hear at90600:33:00.700 --> 00:33:02.400the time because I'd been hearing the gospel90700:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.160for about six months and couldn't make a90800:33:04.160 --> 00:33:04.560decision.90900:33:05.540 --> 00:33:08.860And then I said, that's for me, I91000:33:08.860 --> 00:33:09.540want Christ.91100:33:09.800 --> 00:33:12.100So I accepted the Lord and it, I91200:33:12.100 --> 00:33:13.640didn't even know what was going to be91300:33:13.640 --> 00:33:14.460in store for me.91400:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.140I didn't know I would stop drinking and91500:33:18.140 --> 00:33:20.640stop cussing because I was the biggest cusser91600:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.380and I was the biggest drinker and literally91700:33:24.380 --> 00:33:28.260I stopped both of without even trying.91800:33:28.600 --> 00:33:29.980It just, I had no more desire to91900:33:29.980 --> 00:33:30.360do it.92000:33:30.900 --> 00:33:32.900And I was like, wow, that is crazy.92100:33:33.040 --> 00:33:35.260And some of my friends were like, you're92200:33:35.260 --> 00:33:35.600crazy.92300:33:35.720 --> 00:33:36.420What'd you do?92400:33:36.620 --> 00:33:37.700What'd you do last week?92500:33:38.080 --> 00:33:39.420Who's this Jesus guy?92600:33:39.900 --> 00:33:41.700And other people would give me hugs and92700:33:41.700 --> 00:33:43.340they were like, oh my goodness, we've been92800:33:43.340 --> 00:33:44.100praying for you.92900:33:44.160 --> 00:33:44.740I said, what?93000:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.340And so I said, Lord, if you want93100:33:47.340 --> 00:33:48.540me to go to Asia, I'll go to93200:33:48.540 --> 00:33:48.820Asia.93300:33:49.100 --> 00:33:50.160But we had tour school.93400:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.500So I had tour school and I went93500:33:54.500 --> 00:33:56.760to tour school in Palm Springs and I93600:33:56.760 --> 00:33:57.620got my tour card.93700:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.020So I did not go to Asia.93800:33:59.460 --> 00:34:01.400So he kept me in the United States93900:34:02.040 --> 00:34:04.880and he's kept me here playing the regular94000:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.940PGA tour and the champions tour ever since.94100:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.300And the only other thing I like to94200:34:11.300 --> 00:34:14.840add is in 1988, when I won my94300:34:14.840 --> 00:34:18.100first tournament, Jim Nance was actually, I knew94400:34:18.100 --> 00:34:20.219him in college with Fred Couples and Blaine94500:34:20.219 --> 00:34:21.540McAllister, they were roommates.94600:34:22.940 --> 00:34:29.420So I knew Jim since college and Jim94700:34:29.420 --> 00:34:31.920Nance interviewed me on the 18th hole after94800:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.739the playoff at Pebble Beach.94900:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.260I birdied 17 to beat Bob Twain in95000:34:39.260 --> 00:34:41.100the playoff and then came to 18 and95100:34:41.100 --> 00:34:43.940he just stuck the microphone up to me95200:34:43.940 --> 00:34:46.280and he kind of knew I was, you95300:34:46.280 --> 00:34:49.179know, followed the Lord and he said, you95400:34:49.179 --> 00:34:50.820know, why did you win?95500:34:50.900 --> 00:34:51.620How did you win?95600:34:51.659 --> 00:34:52.760Or something like that.95700:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.360And I just said, hey, if it wasn't95800:34:54.360 --> 00:34:56.860for Jesus changing my life, I would not95900:34:56.860 --> 00:34:57.740be here right now.96000:34:58.080 --> 00:35:00.020So he threw me a softball and every96100:35:00.020 --> 00:35:03.920time he quit doing those interviews later on,96200:35:03.980 --> 00:35:05.920but it was really fun to be able96300:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.900to say that to him.96400:35:08.160 --> 00:35:09.720Things like that, you know, add up in96500:35:09.720 --> 00:35:11.140your life and you're like, wow, what a96600:35:11.140 --> 00:35:11.420blessing.96700:35:12.240 --> 00:35:14.260I didn't know what was going to lead96800:35:14.260 --> 00:35:15.060that week.96900:35:15.200 --> 00:35:17.440I had a friend, his wife told me97000:35:17.440 --> 00:35:18.860on Friday, hey, you're going to win the97100:35:18.860 --> 00:35:19.160tournament.97200:35:19.340 --> 00:35:20.420I'm like, what?97300:35:20.500 --> 00:35:21.920I've never won a PGA event.97400:35:22.200 --> 00:35:24.180She goes, yeah, I had a dream you're97500:35:24.180 --> 00:35:24.620going to win.97600:35:24.820 --> 00:35:27.760And my buddy said, hey, she doesn't have97700:35:27.760 --> 00:35:28.840these dreams very often.97800:35:29.240 --> 00:35:31.300Like she's had two or three and every97900:35:31.300 --> 00:35:32.400one of them's come to pass.98000:35:32.500 --> 00:35:33.240I said, okay.98100:35:33.700 --> 00:35:35.360And I won the tournament.98200:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.000Whether that helped me believe it, I don't98300:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.220know, but it was pretty cool going good.98400:35:41.500 --> 00:35:44.300And it's an interesting time.98500:35:44.940 --> 00:35:46.440I mean, you look back in your life,98600:35:46.540 --> 00:35:47.740do you wish you could change a lot98700:35:47.740 --> 00:35:49.560of things and you can't.98800:35:49.620 --> 00:35:51.460So it's this day forward, right?98900:35:51.520 --> 00:35:52.640What are you going to do this day99000:35:52.640 --> 00:35:52.940forward?99100:35:53.040 --> 00:35:53.920I try to tell people.99200:35:54.660 --> 00:35:56.420And who are you living for?99300:35:56.460 --> 00:35:58.600You're living for yourself, for your golf game,99400:35:58.720 --> 00:36:02.080for your business or whatever, but you have99500:36:02.080 --> 00:36:03.720to live for the Lord from this day99600:36:03.720 --> 00:36:04.100forward.99700:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.840So I really try to encourage people to99800:36:06.840 --> 00:36:07.080do that.99900:36:08.460 --> 00:36:12.400You know, not everybody that comes to have100000:36:12.400 --> 00:36:17.200a relationship with God through Jesus goes through100100:36:17.200 --> 00:36:18.640that immediate transformation.100200:36:18.920 --> 00:36:20.960First of all, a golfer that doesn't drink100300:36:20.960 --> 00:36:27.220or cuss, let's see who, yeah, I'm not100400:36:27.220 --> 00:36:27.820going to even go there.100500:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.060Anyway, that doesn't happen that quickly for everybody.100600:36:31.060 --> 00:36:35.120Some people take God's hand and have to100700:36:35.120 --> 00:36:39.340walk through some muddy pitches and it's a100800:36:39.340 --> 00:36:39.780process.100900:36:40.660 --> 00:36:44.940And I remember reading the Scripture, you must101000:36:44.940 --> 00:36:47.700be holy even as I am holy.101100:36:48.620 --> 00:36:50.700Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm misquoting.101200:36:51.120 --> 00:36:53.420You shall be perfect even as I am101300:36:53.420 --> 00:36:53.700perfect.101400:36:53.780 --> 00:36:55.840And as a young person reading that, that101500:36:55.840 --> 00:36:57.020scared the heck out of me.101600:36:57.500 --> 00:36:59.640How am I supposed to do that?101700:36:59.640 --> 00:37:00.360Right.101800:37:01.300 --> 00:37:02.540I can't do that.101900:37:02.700 --> 00:37:03.640You can't do that.102000:37:03.820 --> 00:37:05.000We know how that happens.102100:37:05.140 --> 00:37:07.140That perfection comes in pieces.102200:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.040That perfection started with you dramatically, but sometimes102300:37:10.040 --> 00:37:12.220the perfection takes a lifetime.102400:37:12.660 --> 00:37:14.820And at the end of the game, we102500:37:14.820 --> 00:37:16.860are perfected not because of anything we've done,102600:37:17.220 --> 00:37:18.860which was a big revelation for me because102700:37:18.860 --> 00:37:20.880I grew up in a very performance-oriented102800:37:20.880 --> 00:37:21.640faith.102900:37:22.420 --> 00:37:24.360I think God's hand was drawn back to103000:37:24.360 --> 00:37:25.740take me out if I made one more103100:37:25.740 --> 00:37:26.640wrong move.103200:37:26.640 --> 00:37:32.980But you have exuded grace and joy.103300:37:33.540 --> 00:37:36.720And I know, like you say, some golfers103400:37:36.720 --> 00:37:38.000grind every day, every day.103500:37:38.040 --> 00:37:39.520You'd rather be up in the mountains with103600:37:39.520 --> 00:37:40.600a bow.103700:37:41.560 --> 00:37:43.160I remember you told me a story one103800:37:43.160 --> 00:37:43.420time.103900:37:43.640 --> 00:37:45.880You're in Arizona, live in Arizona now.104000:37:46.680 --> 00:37:48.780You lived in Montana for a while.104100:37:49.520 --> 00:37:50.940We visited you in Montana.104200:37:51.520 --> 00:37:53.560Talk about your practice barn.104300:37:55.120 --> 00:37:56.400You built a barn.104400:37:56.980 --> 00:38:00.040The barn was, you know, we could have104500:38:00.040 --> 00:38:01.760just built, we built the barn first and104600:38:01.760 --> 00:38:03.220we could have just left it like that104700:38:03.220 --> 00:38:04.160and lived in it.104800:38:04.680 --> 00:38:05.600Pretty cool.104900:38:06.100 --> 00:38:08.780I had two basketball goals, one for the105000:38:08.780 --> 00:38:10.580kids for the lower one and one for105100:38:10.580 --> 00:38:12.020the higher one for me.105200:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.020And put a little putting green in there105300:38:15.020 --> 00:38:18.840and had the stereo cranking and couches.105400:38:19.500 --> 00:38:23.680I remember hitting in there, but ultimately you105500:38:23.680 --> 00:38:26.140said it's, I think you said you thought105600:38:26.140 --> 00:38:27.600you could go up there and maintain your105700:38:27.600 --> 00:38:29.340game by hitting in the barn, but it105800:38:29.340 --> 00:38:30.880just didn't work out that way.105900:38:31.300 --> 00:38:33.180Not quite the same as being out on106000:38:33.180 --> 00:38:33.900the grass.106100:38:34.400 --> 00:38:34.580Yeah.106200:38:34.660 --> 00:38:34.880Yeah.106300:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.020I was hoping, hoping that that was a106400:38:37.020 --> 00:38:39.240fact that I could maybe even get better106500:38:39.240 --> 00:38:41.080by hitting in the barn, but it didn't106600:38:41.080 --> 00:38:41.640work out.106700:38:41.660 --> 00:38:43.880And we eventually moved back to Arizona when106800:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.780I was rehabbing from another.106900:38:47.560 --> 00:38:49.720But it was a fun time in our107000:38:49.720 --> 00:38:49.980life.107100:38:50.140 --> 00:38:52.840I married a Bozeman, Montana girl back in107200:38:52.840 --> 00:38:53.6001987.107300:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.160And we had a summer up there two107400:38:56.160 --> 00:39:00.240to three months now, um, stay in different107500:39:00.240 --> 00:39:00.720places.107600:39:00.720 --> 00:39:03.660But, uh, uh, I fly fish a lot.107700:39:03.680 --> 00:39:06.380So I love fly fishing and I still,107800:39:06.400 --> 00:39:07.920I still golf a little bit.107900:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.840Um, I'm retired, officially retired from golf, but108000:39:11.840 --> 00:39:15.120as a, when you're retired on the, on108100:39:15.120 --> 00:39:17.340the champions tour, you can play four tournaments.108200:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.760So you can get full, full pension and108300:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.320you can still play four tournaments.108400:39:21.500 --> 00:39:24.200And I have, uh, another company I've been108500:39:24.200 --> 00:39:27.520working for called the sharks, sharks plan.108600:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.440And we help people with their, uh, high108700:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.080cost medications, but I've been doing that for108800:39:34.080 --> 00:39:35.540a little over three years now.108900:39:35.820 --> 00:39:37.780I'm an ambassador for sharks.109000:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.280It's a, it's a wonderful company.109100:39:40.600 --> 00:39:42.220Godfrey and man who runs it.109200:39:42.620 --> 00:39:44.460And it's great to be a part of109300:39:44.460 --> 00:39:44.620it.109400:39:44.740 --> 00:39:47.760So between golf and that and, you know,109500:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.500fishing and the kids and grandkids, it's, uh,109600:39:50.680 --> 00:39:52.160you know, everybody has something to do.109700:39:53.520 --> 00:39:55.560You know, we're, we're no different than anybody109800:39:55.560 --> 00:39:56.060else.109900:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.100Uh, but, uh, the weather is pretty nice110000:39:59.100 --> 00:40:00.820here in Arizona, so I can't complain.110100:40:02.020 --> 00:40:04.640Well, I, uh, I've always reminded what, again,110200:40:04.700 --> 00:40:07.940what's important to you and how golf and,110300:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.280and the Lord has really blessed you with110400:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.100talent because the rest of us that try110500:40:12.100 --> 00:40:14.980to play always, I'm very sound oriented.110600:40:15.180 --> 00:40:17.400Obviously what I do is a lot about110700:40:17.400 --> 00:40:17.800sound.110800:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.640And I, I tell people all the time,110900:40:19.720 --> 00:40:21.840the, the way the ball sounds when these111000:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.780guys hit the ball is different than it111100:40:23.780 --> 00:40:27.480sounds when anybody, even a low handicapper hits111200:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.380the ball, the way it sounds when it111300:40:29.380 --> 00:40:31.200leaves the golf, when the, when the club,111400:40:31.380 --> 00:40:32.500it's just different.111500:40:32.500 --> 00:40:34.640But I've always appreciated the fact that that111600:40:34.640 --> 00:40:36.100did not consume you.111700:40:36.340 --> 00:40:38.680And I'll just leave it with one little111800:40:38.680 --> 00:40:39.520other thing.111900:40:39.540 --> 00:40:41.980Then you can share whatever else you want.112000:40:42.580 --> 00:40:46.000The most obvious, uh, golf is not the112100:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.340first thing on Steve Jones mind was when112200:40:48.340 --> 00:40:51.520we were with you in Augusta for the112300:40:51.520 --> 00:40:52.000masters.112400:40:52.420 --> 00:40:54.960We were staying, you had rented two houses.112500:40:55.460 --> 00:40:59.060That's where, uh, I met Jerry Colangelo from,112600:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.260uh, people, but no sports, no Jerry Colangelo.112700:41:02.760 --> 00:41:04.960And he said something to me on that112800:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.640trip that I've never forgotten and will never112900:41:07.640 --> 00:41:08.080forget.113000:41:09.240 --> 00:41:12.040Jerry, uh, he's still the head of USA113100:41:12.040 --> 00:41:13.420Olympic basketball.113200:41:13.680 --> 00:41:14.600He's done that forever.113300:41:15.560 --> 00:41:17.780Um, still a part of it in some113400:41:17.780 --> 00:41:18.140way.113500:41:18.300 --> 00:41:18.960I know for sure.113600:41:19.600 --> 00:41:22.360Jerry, uh, was part of the, maybe he113700:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.660brought the Chicago bulls to Chicago.113800:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.040He, he was the owner of the Phoenix113900:41:28.040 --> 00:41:30.860suns for a while and the Arizona diamondbacks.114000:41:31.060 --> 00:41:32.900We were at the world series and after114100:41:32.900 --> 00:41:34.540nine 11 with the diamondbacks.114200:41:35.100 --> 00:41:37.220Uh, but Jerry and I are, I just114300:41:37.220 --> 00:41:39.540met him and we're sitting in the grandstands114400:41:39.540 --> 00:41:42.120at the driving range at the masters watching114500:41:42.120 --> 00:41:44.420you warm up and other golfers warm up.114600:41:44.940 --> 00:41:46.980We sat down, I knew who he was,114700:41:47.020 --> 00:41:48.280but the first thing he said to me114800:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.160was, tell me about yourself.114900:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.300It wasn't, I'm Jerry Colangelo.115000:41:54.460 --> 00:41:55.460Let me tell you about me.115100:41:56.140 --> 00:41:56.280Yeah.115200:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.840Tell me about yourself for anybody watching.115300:42:01.860 --> 00:42:04.280Uh, and it might be difficult for you115400:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.280to put yourself back on the back burner.115500:42:06.600 --> 00:42:09.700And Steve, tell me, tell me about yourself.115600:42:10.080 --> 00:42:13.060That is a great relationship starter.115700:42:13.260 --> 00:42:14.820We were friends for a long, long time.115800:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.300We've kind of lost touch, but I remember115900:42:17.300 --> 00:42:19.560we were driving from the house that we116000:42:19.560 --> 00:42:21.400were staying in, in Augusta.116100:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.480And we got halfway to the golf course116200:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.800to the masters with all the birds tweeting116300:42:26.800 --> 00:42:27.560and gym naps.116400:42:27.640 --> 00:42:28.320Hello friends.116500:42:28.420 --> 00:42:29.020This is Jim.116600:42:29.060 --> 00:42:31.520You know, all we're driving and you forgot116700:42:31.520 --> 00:42:32.360your clubs.116800:42:32.980 --> 00:42:36.220We had to turn around and go back116900:42:36.220 --> 00:42:37.860and get your golf club.117000:42:38.520 --> 00:42:41.680And I'm thinking, what is wrong with you?117100:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.040And you were like, Oh, I forgot my117200:42:43.040 --> 00:42:43.280clubs.117300:42:43.460 --> 00:42:44.300It was no big deal.117400:42:44.520 --> 00:42:45.240I forgot my club.117500:42:45.300 --> 00:42:46.100Got to go back.117600:42:47.240 --> 00:42:48.040Well, anyway.117700:42:48.880 --> 00:42:50.740Yeah, that was not a good start.117800:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.000Obviously, uh, the most important thing in your117900:42:55.000 --> 00:42:56.960life is your faith and your walk with118000:42:56.960 --> 00:42:57.360the Lord.118100:42:57.640 --> 00:42:59.940And, uh, I always loved that about you118200:42:59.940 --> 00:43:02.860and thankful for what you're doing now and118300:43:02.860 --> 00:43:05.160what you've done and how you've impacted people118400:43:05.160 --> 00:43:08.300that you'll never realize your impact on them.118500:43:08.540 --> 00:43:10.340And, uh, I hope that and pray that118600:43:10.340 --> 00:43:12.320for, for both of us in this different118700:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.080chapter of life where we're not as visible118800:43:15.080 --> 00:43:16.100as we used to be.118900:43:16.520 --> 00:43:18.500Uh, but doesn't mean we're having less of119000:43:18.500 --> 00:43:18.960an impact.119100:43:19.140 --> 00:43:20.380Sometimes it's just one person.119200:43:21.080 --> 00:43:25.020So, yeah, I, it's, it's definitely a transition119300:43:25.020 --> 00:43:25.860time for me.119400:43:27.020 --> 00:43:30.960Um, I enjoy the last couple months helping119500:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.280out at our church and, um, get more119600:43:35.280 --> 00:43:37.260involved in the local church, which I've never119700:43:37.260 --> 00:43:38.880really been able to do because I'm gone119800:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.180all the time and, uh, use that as119900:43:41.180 --> 00:43:41.780an excuse.120000:43:41.940 --> 00:43:43.480Oh, I can't help out cause I'm gone120100:43:43.480 --> 00:43:43.920all the time.120200:43:44.020 --> 00:43:45.960But, but yeah, you're home 20 weeks a120300:43:45.960 --> 00:43:46.140year.120400:43:46.320 --> 00:43:46.800Why can't you?120500:43:48.200 --> 00:43:50.160I got to practice, you know, I got120600:43:50.160 --> 00:43:55.020to do, but, uh, it's interesting how that's120700:43:55.020 --> 00:43:59.900really, uh, changed my focus, I guess, about120800:43:59.900 --> 00:44:03.480the Lord and how I identify with believers120900:44:03.480 --> 00:44:05.940more now at the local level, the local121000:44:05.940 --> 00:44:06.400church.121100:44:07.060 --> 00:44:07.580Yep.121200:44:07.640 --> 00:44:09.120Now we're kind of the old people that121300:44:09.120 --> 00:44:10.840volunteer at the front door, you know, when121400:44:10.840 --> 00:44:12.000you walk in or whatever.121500:44:12.540 --> 00:44:13.960You have, you have a little vest, like121600:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.960ask me, it says, ask me on it.121700:44:15.960 --> 00:44:16.600Yeah.121800:44:17.640 --> 00:44:24.980Oh, well, I was talking to a friend121900:44:24.980 --> 00:44:27.760last week and, uh, one of the challenges122000:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.380of, uh, getting a few years on us122100:44:30.380 --> 00:44:33.920is managing losses and, uh, how you manage122200:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.020losses and mentally how you cope with it.122300:44:37.020 --> 00:44:39.960And you've, you've dealt with loss of ability122400:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.960over injuries and setbacks and this and that.122500:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.140And I admire you so much for your,122600:44:45.420 --> 00:44:47.840for your fortitude and you're just sticking to122700:44:47.840 --> 00:44:48.140it.122800:44:48.140 --> 00:44:52.420And when one season is over, uh, you122900:44:52.420 --> 00:44:55.140are such a doer and, uh, I'm so123000:44:55.140 --> 00:44:57.760glad you guys are comfortable in your home123100:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.160and, and happy to be involved with the123200:45:00.160 --> 00:45:00.360church.123300:45:00.440 --> 00:45:01.520I remember those days too.123400:45:01.600 --> 00:45:02.840If you didn't go to church on a123500:45:02.840 --> 00:45:04.200Sunday, if you just wanted to stay home,123600:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.580people assumed you were out playing or I123700:45:06.580 --> 00:45:07.380was out playing.123800:45:07.820 --> 00:45:09.960You just don't tell anybody.123900:45:11.200 --> 00:45:11.680Yeah.124000:45:12.040 --> 00:45:14.860To be, to be around and accountable and124100:45:14.860 --> 00:45:19.120to have relationships locally that do not accelerate124200:45:19.120 --> 00:45:22.020your career or your business, just people that124300:45:22.020 --> 00:45:24.220love you and you want and want to124400:45:24.220 --> 00:45:24.680be loved.124500:45:24.720 --> 00:45:26.000That's very precious time.124600:45:26.200 --> 00:45:28.520So I love you, my friend, and thank124700:45:28.520 --> 00:45:28.660you.124800:45:28.700 --> 00:45:30.440Thank you for spending time with me.124900:45:30.860 --> 00:45:33.540Well, I appreciate it and, uh, all the125000:45:33.540 --> 00:45:36.420best, continue prayers for you and your family.125100:45:36.540 --> 00:45:38.400And, uh, thanks for your time.125200:45:38.860 --> 00:45:39.540Thanks, brother.125300:45:39.700 --> 00:45:40.140God bless.125400:45:40.140 --> 00:45:43.020Thanks for listening to The Wayne Watson Podcast,125500:45:43.520 --> 00:45:46.480where stories of faith, purpose, and everyday life125600:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.560meet and continue to uplift hearts around the125700:45:49.560 --> 00:45:49.920world.125800:45:50.220 --> 00:45:52.020Be sure to follow, leave us a review,125900:45:52.160 --> 00:45:54.080and share this episode with a friend.126000:45:54.240 --> 00:45:56.940To learn more about Wayne's music, ministry, and126100:45:56.940 --> 00:46:00.100upcoming projects, visit Waynewatson.com.126200:46:00.260 --> 00:46:02.720Every journey of faith begins with a story126300:46:02.720 --> 00:46:05.180and every heart finds its rhythm in the126400:46:05.180 --> 00:46:05.460Lord.126500:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.440Until next time, go well, and may you126600:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.460keep walking in step with His song flowing126700:46:11.460 --> 00:46:12.220through you.