Showreel Mistakes to Avoid, Survival Jobs & Audition Small Talk Nightmares | Ep 27

MAX: 00:12
Welcome back to Two Unemployed Actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. And we've got a really cool show for you today. Some updates.

SAM: 00:19
The best potty you've ever seen.

MAX: 00:20
The best potty. I've written down, I'm organized today. I've written down a list of things to talk about. And uh see, I do put thought into it. And um under the subject heading potty. Love it. For podcasts. Anyway, um that's a great start, wasn't it? It was a great start. I'm feeling really good. You know why? I have had some great social moments this week. You know, I'm actually using social media for what it's for. Um and and it's it's great. I had someone through social send me a snapshot through an Insta chat of uh a voiceover audition, which is great. I mean it's a good job. Um, which I thanks, Amber, by the way, for forwarding that. And uh and then I was chatting to the director of um Dakar, which was the working title. It's now gonna be released as Extraction with Chris Hemsworth in the lead role, uh All Action, and it was the stunt man who from Avengers, I think we talked about ages ago, Sam Hargrave, who who's directing it. Because he's got this massive beard. It's it's like it's seriously huge. So my question was, is it gonna make a cameo in the in the film? What your um his beard. Yeah, his beard. Maybe he says it could be, so I'll have to watch and find out. But I'll tell you what, I'm really excited to see it because there's nothing like a stunt man with experience, like you know, lead stunt artist in Avengers and that directing an action movie. Like I just get a feeling, and I saw like I I think I shared late last year some of the shots he was getting, like strapping himself to the front of a car on a camera rig to get the most amazing shot. Again, the question was how do you stop your beard from hitting your face? Years of experience, he said. So so looking forward to that. So great, yeah, pretty good social's good. I went to see a movie last week, as I do.

SAM: 02:05
You treated yourself.

MAX: 02:06
Richard Jewell. Now, for people as old as me, is that the name of the film? Yeah, which is the name of the guy. Mid-90s, um, it's Atlanta, the Olympics before Sydney, and a bomb went off at a concert. Oh yeah. Immediately everyone became suspicious of the security guard, Richard Jewell. And I'm guilty too, because I remember Atlanta, I remember Richard Jewel, I remember the night as soon as I saw the name of the Clint Eastwood pick, uh, he directed it and produced it. Um, I immediately knew it was about the Atlanta bombing. And but but I can't remember the guy who actually did it.

Speaker 2: 02:36
Oh yeah.

MAX: 02:37
So it's interesting, and it's it's a really interesting movie, great pacing, great, great character acting. Um, it's a lot funnier than I thought. Sam Rockwell's in it, amazing. I I love it. I just I after seeing him in Jojo Rabat, it's like, yeah. I can I can see a bit more Sam Rockwell and absolutely like there's some great comedic moments. He is good. Um, because it's just so bloody real of these ordinary people just going about their day, all of a sudden, in these in this absolutely extraordinary situation. You can imagine how many journalists there would be surrounding an Olympic event, all turning up to get to get the goss on whether you did it or not and hounding you. I mean, it's just it's phenomenal what happened to the guy.

SAM: 03:16
Yeah, okay.

MAX: 03:17
That's so and it was really good. So I I enjoyed that.

SAM: 03:20
Nice.

MAX: 03:20
Had the first play reading.

SAM: 03:22
Was that when you said gold class? Did you see it in gold class? Did I?

MAX: 03:25
Yeah, I did. You know what happened? Oh, I didn't even use points this time. I got an email from Event Cinema saying you can buy gold class for just 25 bucks or something, and you can use the e voucher whenever, blah, blah. And I had it up the back pocket.

SAM: 03:36
Oh, nice.

MAX: 03:36
Thought, you know what? I'll I'll use that. Why not? A big glass of wine and some popcorn.

SAM: 03:41
Oh, I feel like a movie.

MAX: 03:42
Probably not probably not a real meal, but nonetheless, it helped me enjoy the movie a lot.

SAM: 03:48
Yeah. As it does, I usually finish the popcorn before the movie even starts, the ASGAP for so long.

MAX: 03:52
Oh, it was a big batch, and I did say bring it in. Um, because you can tell them when to bring stuff in, like as it starts, sort of thing. Because you're right, I would have started before you know previous finish.

Speaker 2: 04:01
Yeah, yeah.

MAX: 04:02
So it was a nice way to escape the heat and uh get out because it was a busy week. There was so much going on last week, it was insane. So, yeah, first first read-through of the play, uh lipstick. Yes, and okay. It was great to meet the cast and the two directors, the co-directors, so it's definitely like a lead. They both vetted and have the same vision, which is handy when they're both working together, and one lead and one two IC type operation. So it looks good. I mean, this is a group that's putting on eight performances in four weeks uh for the for a festival they created just last year. It's it's it's great to be a part of. Amazing. So it was good to have the first read through where it sort of everything comes alive, and we did a bit differently where we were assigned a character that wasn't ours. So there's no pressure on having to sound you know like a character. Because we get to even sit down and have a chat about our characters, like that. It really was just the first read through and meeting great.

SAM: 04:52
Good stuff.

MAX: 04:52
So I'm looking forward to it because it's great energy.

SAM: 04:55
Yeah, good. Yeah, that's what you want. Which is great, yeah, kind of awesome stuff.

MAX: 04:58
Chatting to a guy that I haven't met yet, meet production meetings on Friday, get this for an idea, um, like a web series or web film. A mockumentary of a guy who's living in an alleyway. Like that's his that's his universe. He can give culinary advice, you know, from the rubbish. Uh talk about his pets, rats, and it's really like straight. I know, right? It's just it's ridiculous. It's like a guy and he's this is his world, and he's he's he's down on his luck, but hey, he's ever the optimist, right? The glass is half full. It's really a straight to camera in true mockumentary style of this guy just talking through um his lifestyle and how it's a choice, it really is.

SAM: 05:43
Wait, so this is an actual thing that's yes, it is an actual thing.

MAX: 05:46
So I'm gonna have a chat about the uh production in a bit more detail on Friday before I commit to it because I haven't I haven't met this guy before. Yeah. Uh Maxi, the uh homeless person.

SAM: 05:56
So w w how did you hear about this?

MAX: 05:58
I can't remember. I think it was on a Facebook group. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think it was a yeah, it was a Facebook group. Is it paid? It's uh TBC everything. TBC everything. I haven't even more important to me right now, because it's it's a great premise for fun. Yeah. And I love that type of comedy. Yes, actually. So number one, love that. And number two, who is he? What's he done? And and what sort of crew situation are we talking about? Getting approval from council? Are we like is it you know, then it's kind of like okay, from that, well, how are you marketing it? What's the plan for distribution, blah blah blah? Is it just YouTube or whatever?

SAM: 06:27
Yeah, I found a a role that I I thought sounded cool or a project that I thought sounded cool in Star Now recently. Okay. And it was for it it's premised as premised, I don't know. It's it was saying it's the description was about being one shot, like done in actually one shot, like nine minutes of filming, which would be so much fun. Ambitious, but so much fun, but it's ten days minimum of shooting, zero pay.

MAX: 06:54
Yeah, okay.

SAM: 06:55
So it would be awesome, but at the same time, why are you offering actors nothing for ten days of work?

MAX: 07:01
That's and what's the expectation? Is it gonna be on the festival circuit?

SAM: 07:05
Is it gonna be they'll be like, yeah, maybe it'll enter in festival, blah blah blah blah blah.

MAX: 07:09
Okay, yeah. First warning is the amount of work for unpaid the second warning is no clarity on distribution.

SAM: 07:14
If it was three days, yeah, then yeah, I do it. It sounds really cool.

MAX: 07:18
You'd still want some clarity on distribution because if they've got already got someone who's who's gonna buy it or or it's going to a you know, yeah, it's just you know, you don't want to sign stuff away and really cool. Yeah, it's great. It's always good to ask, but then you know, sometimes it you know, the execution can be they haven't, if they're not used to you know, if it's their first cap off the rank, so to speak. Yeah, exactly. You don't know um you don't know what you don't know.

SAM: 07:40
Yeah. And this Saturday I have an audition for a new Aussie musical called Captain Moonlight. Captain Moonlight. Captain Moonlight. It's based on the true story of s Andrew George, no George Andrew something or other. Okay. Irish born something on death row sort of thing. And it's uh it's set in his prison cell, and the musical is kind of his unread uh letters and stuff, and all he was a real person. He was a real dude, like incarcerated legends, apparently. Moonlight M O N L I T E. Okay. Yeah, so apparently it's a thing. So that's cool. Okay. And so I'm gonna audition on uh Saturday. And I so I applied for George and James, these two roles, because they're the only so there's five male roles, that's it. Two of them, George and James, they're actually lovers, um, of the singing roles. Right. So I just applied for both because I wanted to do a singing role. Yeah. And they sent me both scripts, so then I guess I have to decide who I want to do.

MAX: 08:42
But we can do a bit of both on the day. I was gonna do a bit of bigger. And tell them, you know, whatever you exactly.

SAM: 08:47
James has an Aussie accent, but George has an Irish accent. Ah. And I tr I actually looked up how to do an Irish accent. Oh god, don't. No, I've been I'm not gonna do it now.

MAX: 08:57
You remember my story where I got asked by the crew at Deadly Women to send a self-tape of an Irish accent.

SAM: 09:03
Oh yeah.

MAX: 09:04
Not a word back other than your cast as a Portuguese drug dealer.

SAM: 09:09
Yeah, I know.

MAX: 09:11
Join those two dots. It doesn't make sense.

SAM: 09:13
But but I've been trying it, and it actually sounds better than I thought. Like I was like to Jess, Jess, listen to this. Um, and she was like, okay. And then I did it, and she's like, that was actually better than I thought it would be. I'm like, what do you what does that mean? That's yeah, yeah, that's very kind. You're really asking the wrong person, I think. No, but but it was it was yeah, it was better than I thought. So hopefully I'm gonna try and do it on Saturday, and then also do James. Maybe they'll just give me James.

MAX: 09:37
How much time have you spent on your Irish accent?

SAM: 09:40
Not long. Windsor audition? Saturday. I will try not to offend an entire nation, but then maybe they'll cast me as James, hopefully. But yeah, yeah, I'll just try both. It it doesn't matter. But that's so that's all right. When I sent my application, I said I was in the world premiere of three weeks in spring, which was new Aussie musical as well. Yes, indeed. But what I'm hoping is that I'd be on like an original cast recording sort of style. Right, yeah, yeah. Which would be very cool.

MAX: 10:07
So it hasn't been performed at all.

SAM: 10:09
No, this is completely new. So it's a yeah, yeah.

MAX: 10:11
Well, that's exciting.

SAM: 10:12
It is exciting, so we'll see what happens. Um and the person who wrote it's Australian. Yeah, he's well known-ish, apparently. I forgot his name though. Okay, so it doesn't help I can look it up.

MAX: 10:22
Yeah, that's right, you've got you've got days to do your hours to do your homework.

SAM: 10:26
Hours, yeah. Um, and I've been sending my agent self tapes.

MAX: 10:31
Uh-huh.

SAM: 10:32
Death.

MAX: 10:33
Hanging there.

SAM: 10:34
Yeah. I'm sorry, I'm dying, everyone. That's my voice doesn't sound like me.

MAX: 10:37
I'm gonna disinfect the entire technical aspect of the podcast just to make sure.

SAM: 10:41
And I'm doing a workshop on Friday. Um, what's a workshop? It's grant with Grant Thompson, who used to be an agent at Piracy Management. You know him? Yes. When did you meet him?

MAX: 10:50
Uh through Archer Management. So he's come in to do to do to to like a he does like a meet and greet when as a group, when or used to anyway, when when new people come through the door um as featured extras or extras who want to become actors and explains what the business is like.

SAM: 11:08
Yeah, of course. No, so yeah, because Jess started with him last Friday. Yep. And I went and dropped her off and sat and did some other work. Yep. Um, and then I was like, maybe I'll just do a workshop with him because I asked him questions about stuff and right.

MAX: 11:20
So he's he's a nice guy.

SAM: 11:21
Yeah, he's really cool. And and he's I've said so I've sent him some self-tapes and say hello from me.

MAX: 11:26
I will. He shouldn't punch you in the face. That's does he know who you are? Does he know who you are? One way to find out. Yeah, exactly. Um, that's awesome. That's great because he yeah, wealth of experience. He's producing stuff, producing films, he's can't been a casting director, he's helped agents get their legs and give them uh uh teach their management. I think it's a really good connection to make with someone like him and ask heaps of questions because he's a wealth of knowledge.

SAM: 11:55
I'm in the midst of remaking my show because I remember I accidentally deleted it. Did you accidentally iMove on iMovie I accidentally like cleaned my Mac thing and it just deleted the Oh see, I'm not in the Apple universe, but uh that doesn't sound good.

MAX: 12:07
No, it was like uh So you had it backed up into their version of a cloud?

SAM: 12:11
No.

MAX: 12:12
No?

SAM: 12:12
I completely erased it. I could not find it anyway, so I didn't reset it.

MAX: 12:16
Did you change computers or something?

SAM: 12:18
No, what I did, I went to clean my Mac and I wanted to get rid of space and it said something like get rid of whatever. And I thought it meant you know how in iMovie, I don't know if you know there's a theatre setting, like theatre page where you can like save your files as MP4s, but also to the iMovie theatre. Okay. And it said something like get rid of that, but it actually meant everything on iMovie that I've ever made. Oh my god. Oh my god. So most of my stuff I've made into files, I just can't edit anymore.

MAX: 12:46
I think it's safe to say technology is wonderful, it makes things easier. You can edit from everywhere, you know, if it's up in the cloud. I mean, you know, buying computers, you're gonna have to pay extra for the memory these days because everything just gets sucked down from your Wi-Fi. Um, but uh that's the technical uh version. But uh yeah, I've always got a backup on hard drive. Yes, I should have and and then I've got on on Casting Networks, on Showcast, on YouTube, on Vimeo. So, you know, even if you wanted to delete it, it'd probably take you 10 days to try and delete it.

SAM: 13:14
Yeah, sure. But actually, I've I've started reading it and I've pretty much finished it. It's 11 minutes long, so I have to cut it down, obviously. 11 minutes?

MAX: 13:21
It's the epic director's cut version, exactly, including QA with the cast of one. But it's better than the last one. So do you do you narrate through the scenes like a director's cut on on DC?

SAM: 13:34
I pause it and I circle different areas in this moment, and this is my eye line because it's because I have like two four-minute long cell tapes in there as well.

MAX: 13:44
That's that's intense. I've got to do mine, and I've been talking about it for what, two podcasts now. I've got to do mine because I've got all that stuff dropped like weeks ago for for um for the student films I did last year, and and then I'm getting but then I'm like I'm getting the interrogation. Oh, I can't use that because it's going to festival. No, I should be able to use it my show roll. I'll check again.

SAM: 14:03
It should be rather show real. But I can't wait until I get that short not today short film back and put that in. A couple of my singing on theatre ones, and then self-tapes, and that's it on my showreel.

MAX: 14:13
It's a lot, that's busy already. I mean, it could be as simple as two very different uh scenes. Exactly. I mean, the the just don't get lost in the objective. It's great to put all this fun stuff in. All look what I've done, look what I've done. Remember what I did with my my Finder commercial? So excited, put it up front. Yeah. And it was the casting director, a casting director who told me, no, bury it. Bury it. I mean, you've done it, that's great. But what the objective of the show reel is to show your range, to show what you can do to a potential agent, or to your current agent. Look what I can do, look at this. They know that if they want more, they can get more of that scene or of that character.

Speaker 2: 14:51
Yeah.

MAX: 14:51
But show them what you can do. You don't want to have three policeman scenes. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, okay, we get it, but but what's your best one? And then a a differ very different character, or or a cop going through some really difficult emotional struggles, yeah. Yeah. You know, to see lots of different stuff.

SAM: 15:08
True. That's true.

MAX: 15:09
Um, and when it comes to then the next step at casting directors, well, then it's, you know, whatever the self-tape is, the edition piece, or whatever movie's coming up that they're casting for, then you would say, okay, it's an action flick. Let's let's feel me running around the jungle with a gun and doing a piece to camera on how awesome I am at shooting things and um, you know, looking like a real soldier or something.

SAM: 15:27
There we go. I've tried I've started making my website as well.

MAX: 15:30
Yeah.

SAM: 15:30
Um, what are you using domain name? Oh you got your domain. Mm-hmm. www.samfallen.com. Theawesomesam.com. Yeah, okay, you got me at that show what it is.

MAX: 15:40
Um just redirects automatically too.

SAM: 15:42
Yeah, yeah. And but um so that's like six bucks. It was on special six bucks a month. It's good. From GoDaddy.com.

MAX: 15:49
Yeah, I'm on to go daddy. GoDaddy's doing alright. Go the GoDaddy. GoDaddy's give me what I want. I bought my domains. I bought my No Daddy, no, no, no, no, no. No daddy. GoDaddy gets it. GoDaddy gives me what I want. Well that got really dark really quickly. That's what you said. GoDaddy gives you what my fortunately not off.

SAM: 16:12
We're gonna have a one-minute podcast.

MAX: 16:14
Yeah, yeah, it was funny. It was it was great. Anyway. But yeah, I do everything through them, and then even the SSL certificate, which I know I can do myself, but I haven't got the technology. I just like you know, for the amount of time it takes me, everything through them.

SAM: 16:23
I had a meeting about it and he said, um, you can use WordPress, but honestly, I think all you need is Wix. Yeah. So I'm starting on Wix. Yeah, there's some really easy stuff. But you can't you can't use your domain name for free, right? You have to pay $15 a month. It's $180 a year. To host it. Yeah.

MAX: 16:40
Yeah. So what you've done is you're you've sneaky little bought your domain name. Yeah. Good job. No one else can use it. Hell yeah. But you need someone to host the website and you've got to pay for that.

SAM: 16:50
But Wix is free for hosting, but oh no, so not if you want your your own domain. Sorry, Wix is free for hosting unless you want your own domain name. Correct.

MAX: 16:58
So let it be like I I just went all these different platforms are here today, maybe gone tomorrow, I don't know. And and all the flexible stuff, I want to get in there on a finesse it. And uh so and I'm already in the Adobe Adobe ecosystem. So I use Dreamweaver, which is a mix of code and that, yeah. So I've learned I basically taught myself to code and and I've that's how I manage the two unemployed website. Uh for those who haven't seen it, check it out, it's amazing. And also the my personal site, um, and uh making sure that it's visible in you know mobile view and desktop and some stuff and does all the right things, and that way it's easy for me to update it. Yeah, um, because like I've got all the Photoshop files, illustrator files, uh screenshots from any show reels or any real any scenes that I've done because I use Premiere Pro in Adobe, and it's in the Adobe ecosystem. So just drag and drop it in, and there you go, it's in the website too. Yeah, so I find it it's a learning curve at first, but after a while, it's it's worked really well for me to sort of control everything. I'm really getting value for money out of that ecosystem. I also use audition for voiceovers, so I'm really heavy leaning towards Adobe because it kind of works for me. There are free options out there or cheap options out there, but it's just whatever you're used to. Uh Canva's big, someone another person recommended Canva to me for the website. Well, as a website for graphic design, yeah. Because we're talking about Photoshop and stuff.

SAM: 18:18
It actually is okay as a free graphic design um thing. Yeah, it's actually really good because I do that's what I did. So for my new job at Cine Props, I redid their induction booklets.

MAX: 18:28
Okay, what is your new job? I haven't actually asked you your survival job. Yes. Talk us through this.

SAM: 18:34
So technically I was hired to drive the CEO around for three months. Yeah, but then so he there's a place in Mary. So I pick him up at stop it. I I pick him up at 8 a.m. Yep from his house in Devon Hyattes. And I drop his daughter to school. Yep. She's adorable.

MAX: 18:49
And then we'll watch out. What? I don't know. How old is she? That's she's eight. Oh, you can't. What do you mean? I just thought you were cracking onto the daughter for some reason. No, I said she's adorable. Oh my god, you're so odd. So bad. I remember daddy is like five percent of what we're recording today. So you drive and then you drive him to what is that Marrickville? Marrickville. And props. Sydney props. Oh, that's where I did uh one of the student films there in different locations in there. Yeah. So come in. I'll probably see you like around then.

SAM: 19:19
It is big. And so I'm working with Annabelle, who's um the studio kind of manager. Yep. Studios manager. Okay. Um and I'm doing emails and cold calling, trying to sell services, and also I redesigned the induction booklets so she gives that out to clients that book specific studios. Yeah. Um, so I redesigned oh design it, they didn't have one, so designed that um with her. And I'm moving stuff around and I'm good on you. Yeah, good stuff. And just yeah, it's cool. And then I drive him home.

MAX: 19:48
So it's great. I mean, you're in the industry, it's a survival job that's related.

SAM: 19:52
Okay, a guy came up before he's like, Can I um can I like use your studios and blah blah blah for short film stuff? And I was just like, Do you need an actor? She just went over and said that. And he's like, I'm a cinema cinema photographer, so probably, and that was it. And I was like, Oh, but I'm asking.

MAX: 20:12
Did you know? For a change of subject, yes. The invisible man is coming soon.

SAM: 20:17
Yeah, it looks terrifying.

MAX: 20:19
It does look terrifying. I've managed to avoid most of the previews, but the first reviews are out. Well, it didn't get a positive. And I didn't want to get invisible reviews. I didn't want to read it because then it would give me more about time set. So I'm gonna make my mind up for myself because next Thursday night is an actor event um with a QA afterwards with the producer and art director.

Speaker 2: 20:47
Okay.

MAX: 20:47
It'll be an awkward QA if it's not quite minute. But uh yeah, so I'm looking, I'm looking forward. I've been Elizabeth Mozart. It filmed here in Sydney. Um was it? Yeah. So I'm looking forward to um But it's a it's an American production. It is indeed, yeah. But they use Sydney. Yeah, well Lee Wanell, uh the guy behind Saw, that was Aussie Riders.

SAM: 21:05
When like in Fox Studios or something, have they done this?

MAX: 21:08
Um I don't know. I remember on location in Kayama, uh south of Sydney. Um, I can't remember. Again, I don't really want to, I'm sort of skirting around all that.

Speaker 2: 21:16
Okay.

MAX: 21:17
Trying, and including some of the reviews, although they might be mixed, because until I see it myself, make my mind up. Because I ri I really, I really want to enjoy it. Yeah, yeah. So I'm hoping that it's don't let anything influence. You know what I mean? So my head is in the sand, buried firmly, until next Thursday. And then in two podcasts time, I will unleash my thoughts.

SAM: 21:35
We should both go to GirlClass together. Look to unemployed actors.

MAX: 21:38
It's far too romantic, besides the actor events free.

SAM: 21:41
So No, we should do a segment Two unemployed actors go to the movies.

MAX: 21:44
Two unemployed actors go to the movies. Two unemployed actors get kicked out of the movies because they're filming.

SAM: 21:49
Because we're doing a podcast in the film. Shh, stop it. So guys, this is what's happening. It's like what happened. That's right.

MAX: 21:56
I don't remember what happens next. No, I don't know.

SAM: 21:58
I still haven't seen Parasite. I'm yet to see that. I

MAX: 22:01
Put your finger out, mate. No. Get out and see the film. It's in cinemas still, it's on uh cable, it's on you can uh buy it online. I mean, heaven's above. Everybody's talking about it. I know, I need to watch it. When? Are we gonna set a date? Okay, I've got my pen. When are you gonna watch Parasite? Jess wants to watch it with me, that's the problem. Okay, so when are you two having a less romantic time? Let's see Friday. Friday night at Netflix. We're doing it. Done. All right, so next podcast, you can give us your thoughts on Parasite.

SAM: 22:32
Oh, wait, she's got work. Thursday night. No, tonight. Tonight. We're doing it tonight.

MAX: 22:38
It's date night tonight, Jess. And you're watching Parasite, a dark comedy. Wow. Um, it's kind of comedy. Yeah. It's it's real and gritty. Yeah. Posters have looked really cool. I've seen some really cool posters, like staircases, like opposite. And there's fan art going around that looks incredible too. It's like it's it's just it's top knowledge. It's it's delivering its own universe at the moment.

SAM: 22:59
99% on Rotten Tomatoes.

MAX: 23:01
So get on it. Um I mean, we see so many bad movies. It's time to see some good ones. Yeah. Right. It happens to be a foreign foreign language one. Yeah. I know. Well, I mean, look at to be foreign language and make the Oscars come on for Oscars. And and you know, there was a time, uh, quite recently, when Americans didn't like anything with subtitles. They were just buying the rights to and making it again um with other actors in an English uh script.

SAM: 23:27
It's pretty bad, actually.

MAX: 23:28
Um but now I think that's the good thing about Netflix. I mentioned it last time too, you know, that you're more uh you're encouraged to it's so accessible to it to get stories from other countries and other cultures.

SAM: 23:38
Yeah, definitely.

MAX: 23:38
People aren't afraid of of uh subtitles anymore.

SAM: 23:41
Look at him, he's occupied.

MAX: 23:43
Fred is well look, I'm just happy he's not chewing anything expensive, but uh the fact that he's looking at his own shadow right now is giving me some comfort. What else you got happening? What else you got in store? What's what's next week have in store for you? More work.

SAM: 24:02
More work. Yeah, and hopefully just getting some replies from emails and stuff. I just want to put forward. I've been put on the list for general auditions for chicken and chips, so it's pretty good.

MAX: 24:14
That's good.

SAM: 24:15
Yeah.

MAX: 24:16
I was there the other day for uh Amazon. Yes, you tell me. The Everyday Dad.

SAM: 24:21
Yes, that's right.

MAX: 24:21
Chicken and Chips crowd.

SAM: 24:22
Trying to get more auditions.

MAX: 24:24
Tell me, tell me what do they say? Oh, what's your favourite cocktail? Um, what'd I say? You know, what's your favourite food? Okay, so the three of us walked in and three actors, yeah. Yeah, three actors walked into an audition. It sounds like a joke, but uh three actors walked into the bar. Three actors walk into the bar, put on their aprons and get to work. Getting ready for it. Oh, that's a good one. That's a really good one. So I've walked in there, and it's like, okay, but um, you know, do your little introduction, um, you know, name, agent, how tall are you? Are you available? Yep, yep, yep. Um, and I was the last person, so you know, and that and I really wanted to say my favourite food's chocolate, because it is, and my favourite cocktail is espresso martini. Oh my god. What are the odds that the person standing right next to me says exactly the same thing exactly that and I'm looking like I'm standing there going, oh my god, what's that other? And of course I'm going blank on all the other I've come on, I've drunk myself from one end of the bar to the other and uh over the years, and I can't for the life of me. I'm thinking, I feel like I need to say expresso. I sh I I want to say espresso martini, but I I I I feel like uh because it's been said I should say something different. Who is this guy? That's not me. Is that what you said? And he's like, What what cocktail's that? I'm like, well, I'm like, oh suddenly it came a vodka martini. Oh, have you had a gin martini? No, but gin's big at the moment, maybe I feel like I should. Having a little chit-chat. Good, good, good chit chat, Max. Good chit-chat, bit of a comeback there. He's almost forgotten about the blithering idiot. And uh favourite food, uh Italian food. I mean, it's so broad and you know, and it is uh up there for me. Nice, got through that. Uh, talk to us about an embarrassing moment. Oh, okay. Um so I talked about how um when I was on the Gold Coast as a teenager, I walked into because I used to work for a radio station, community radio station, making dance music in Melbourne while I was at school, because I got bored. As you do, and it's a great place to meet girls and blow up. And you get to go to nightclubs and party and everything that you shouldn't probably actually be doing when you're 16 at school, but anyway. Um different story, different story, and I didn't elaborate, but then I said, Well, that's I walked into uh Gold Coast, what do you know? There's another radio station, but smaller. And they said, Oh, great, we'd love to have you on air. And there I was four days before I go on air, not knowing how to work any of the equipment. And I've obviously the first few ships were a bit shifts were a bit, you know, ordinary until I worked out which button goes where. Yeah. But it was great, it was great. And they're laughing and going, Oh, how did you land out? Oh, geez, that would have sound ordinary. I'm like, hang on, it's all it's pretty good, you know. Yeah. I walked out, I thought, damn it, I should have said I got promoted to six or ten weeknights. I did, but I didn't say that. Now they think I'm just a blithering idiot who who likes a drink. And uh you get it or you don't know yet? Oh, I doubt it. I mean it was a over a week ago. That's it. Wait, so your favourite cocktail is an espresso martini, isn't it? It is. Oh my god. Yeah, I'm hitting that old espresso martini. Well, it's kind of like, I mean, it's not, you know, your first cock first drink the evening, but um, sure. It's a commitment, all those flavours. You like margaritas? I do. See, why am I thinking of all this? Why are we talking about all these cocktails now? Where was that when I was in the room? And what are the odds? And espresso martini. What did the other guy say? Oh, the other woman was asked different questions. Alright.

SAM: 27:23
So wait, was the person next to you a male?

MAX: 27:25
Female?

SAM: 27:26
There are two females in you.

MAX: 27:28
Two females and myself. Basically, the setup, the setup was um one was a real estate agent and uh the other we were a couple, and we didn't like the place instantly, but they were trying to sell it to us. And go action. I hate it. So they can give you anything. Anyway, so I I I think I left the room a little bit a little bit down. A little I left the room over analysing it, going, Yeah, you're and why didn't I? And what that's not me. Normally I walk out and I'm like, yep, what have I got next?

SAM: 27:59
Well what I've learned over the years is that you can't like after an audition, you literally have to forget about it. Yeah, and you know that anyway.

MAX: 28:05
Walk out, oh shit once once you negotiate somebody else.

SAM: 28:09
But I did a I did an audition recently for like a I think I told you, mate, it was semi-recently. No, because that one I got. Um, but this one uh I didn't get and it was for sugar. What was it for? For sugar. No, it was sweet. Sweet. Um like mental health. It was a mental mental health uh campaign. And I get uh we have a chat, I get there a bit early, I chat with the director who was casting. So the director was casting, so that was pretty cool. We get in there and he was kind of explaining like you know, you have to get uh like really angry, and then I'm gonna say get vulnerable, you have to do it quickly, you know, just do do all that and just yell, do whatever you want, like just be furious, pure anger. And I was like, no layers, he's like just anger. And I'm like, okay, cool. We walk in, goes to the camera, and he's like, Alright, go. I'm just like and I do it, but it's like, whoa, it's so hard. Like, it's amazing when a director understands acting, but when they don't, you know, you it's like you you could say, look, um, can you give me a minute? I did say I said like like I kind of was like just hold on a second, like the camera was rolling, but I was kind of like uh and then kind of rushed it.

MAX: 29:16
It's hard to do that when you sometimes when you're on the spot. I mean you have all these amazing things in your head, but when you're on the spot, yeah.

SAM: 29:21
But it's also hard to go from happy actor to extremely angry character. You haven't got you haven't prepared.

MAX: 29:27
Well I was angry uh psychotic almost as Victor last week, and I I had a headache when I finished shooting both days.

SAM: 29:36
I got oh, I was yelling in this particular one as well and got lightheaded because it was so hot. I almost fainted.

MAX: 29:42
That'd be commitment, wouldn't it? If I fainted out, you want to see vulnerable? Here I am fainting in front of the camera. That's vulnerable. Boom. Yeah, it's like a mic drop, but you drop.

SAM: 29:52
You could drop, but I drop.

MAX: 29:53
You fainted. At least at least remember you. So yeah, so chicken and chips, great. I've been there twice now, and I think um I probably could have done a bit better last time, but hey, you know, we live and learn, don't we?

SAM: 30:04
Live and learn, dah.

MAX: 30:05
And you are there on their books for a general. So good luck with that.

SAM: 30:10
Yeah. You know why it's called chicken. You know why it's called chicken and chips.

MAX: 30:13
No, why?

SAM: 30:14
I actually I I looked it up. Oh, actually, it's on their website, but because it's Stephanie Pringle, I think it is. Stephanie Pringle, like Pringle as in a chip and something is it foul? Foul? Something chicken something that means chicken.

MAX: 30:29
Something that means chicken is the other name. They've used that you've forgotten momentarily.

SAM: 30:34
Hold on, let's cut this in.

MAX: 30:36
Yeah, just just cut this in, Max. Just drop this in. Max, just you and Fred are making me work so hard in the edit. You know what? I am not. I'm leaving this in.

SAM: 30:43
You're gonna leave this in. Okay, you're gonna leave this in. You leave most of that stuff in.

MAX: 30:47
Stephanie, only if it's at your expense. No, no, I don't know. I I just promoted the embarrassing moment that I told last last week on Facebook today. Two minutes of Max cringing.

SAM: 30:57
It is so Alison Fowler.

MAX: 31:01
On that note, I think it's time to wrap up. You've been listening to Max.

SAM: 31:06
It's a very odd outro.

MAX: 31:08
I think right the front. You've been listening to Max.

SAM: 31:12
This is You've been listening to Max and Sam. We are two unemployed actors. It actually kind of works, doesn't it? It works both ways.