Oct. 24, 2025

Episode 659- Khan audio drama episode four "Magical Thinking" review

Episode 659- Khan audio drama episode four "Magical Thinking" review
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(00:00:00) Episode 659- Khan audio drama episode four "Magical Thinking" review
(00:00:12) Introduction
(00:05:59) Fan Shout-Outs
(00:13:01) Star Trek Polls
(00:18:18) Khan vs Dukat
(00:26:49) Did Bob make the right choice in ST4
(00:32:04) Sci-Fi trivia
(00:48:15) Khan episode 4 review
(01:14:55) Sci-Fi Birthdays
(01:43:18) Starfleet Academy Update
(01:47:18) Tilly is back!
(01:53:09) USS Dedication plaque
(01:55:50) Hailing Frequencies Closed

 In this episode of Trek Talk and Beyond, host Uncle Jim and his panel of Trek experts engage in lively discussions about various Star Trek topics, including the latest audio drama, fan shout outs, and polls. The conversation delves into the complexities of Star Trek villains, particularly Gold Dukat and Khan, and revisits the themes of Star Trek IV. The episode also features trivia questions that test the hosts' knowledge of classic sci-fi films and characters, all while maintaining a humorous and engaging atmosphere. In this episode, the hosts delve into the themes of leadership, grief, and character development in the fourth episode of the Star Trek Con audio drama. They discuss the significance of Marla MacGyver's character and her influence on Khan, as well as the importance of rituals and traditions in uniting people through shared grief. The conversation also touches on the upcoming Starfleet Academy series and the impact of soundtracks on storytelling, culminating in a celebration of Star Trek birthdays and remembrances. Let's see what's out there...ENGAGE!

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Well, good evening, Trekies and trek Is around the globe.

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It is Thursday, October twenty three or twenty twenty five.

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Welcome to episode six hundred and fifty nine of Trek

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Talking and Beyond Tommy most excellent hosts, Uncle Jim, welcoming

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you to the podcast. We have a really great show

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plan for you guys. Tonight. We're going to be talking

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about Star Trek com the audio drama episode four. Magical Thinking. Yeah,

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Magical Thinking is the name of that episode. And we're

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also going to have for you our Star Trek birthdays,

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our polls, we got some good ones for you and

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some Star Trek news. So stay right where you are,

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don't touch that dial, and we'll be right back on

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the other side of the intro. David Roll. The intro.

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Continue with the inflation and ready.

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Name us Kane and again has gone insane Logan six

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Corporal Thinks to Jim and Doney to Fixed Pripley NBC

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Ted eavily cannot see Bumblebee Kane, I'm the doctor wrankling

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online Old Bob sam Worm Stories that will twist and

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turn bout Cimitar Deeth.

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Of Tushiya Flash Gordon, but Rogers.

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Don't from Prison, Clone Wars, James Holten Tweaky, John Coney

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against Yankee.

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We talk about the series.

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You can join us out by picking.

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Up your phone. Now we talk about the series were

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coming to you on your services. Now we talk about

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the series coming.

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Coming on now, talking about.

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The series coming on us as we did Jelly a War.

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Welcome back everybody. I want to introduce my incredible, my

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awesome trucks. First we have the three to Zoo of

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course from the war Ravage. Incredibly this awful area of Portland.

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Start up the toy guy.

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How you doing, Uncle Jim, I'm doing okay. I just

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you know, shrugged out of my inflatable unicorn costume so

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I could make it here to do the show on time,

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because I'm out there throwing tight handfuls of feces and

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ice agents. Right, and if if you don't hit them

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on the first pitch, you've gotta walk right up to

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him like this, stam in the face and then just

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rub it right into their nostrils. That's what I would recommend, right.

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You want to really make impacts so that they have

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no doubt that yes, this is Portland, this is not

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my Pittsburgh or you know, South Carolina or any of

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those other places you used to deploy. We're party a

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little different here, so but I was done a lot

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of that in time for the show. So that's been

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the most important thing. And I'm ready to decompress, have

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a nice cold ractaccino and talk about people playing fictional character.

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We're all going to do that. And also from what

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I believe he's wearing his pants tonight, we have how.

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I may or may not be wearing pants. I think

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that was the agreement, so you know that's what my

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contract says. Wow, I'm doing pretty good. I mean, you know,

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the city's on fire, but you know, other than that,

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things are great.

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Other than that.

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When we have our really own micle worker David, I

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believe he is wearing pants.

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One question for you all your sheep.

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I think that's funny. That's funny, and not from we

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have our very own channels. And as you can see

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the swaying countries behind him, he's guess how you doing Tonight's.

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I'm doing good, enjoying our weather. Yeah that we're down

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in the eighties or so, Oh, I breeze and I'd

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come out to the other studio, even though I might

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get dark by the end.

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You know what's really cool about your position right now, Charles,

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is that you kind of look like one of those

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medieval paintings of Jesus with this like little crown around

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your head.

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Oh I okay, I'll be calling you my Lord for

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the rest of the night.

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Oh, he will not be with us tonight. So you're

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stuck with the three old white guys. Well, well, I

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don't know.

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It's not your subject.

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Five lights.

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How many lights there are?

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Well, again, the young guys, you'll take it.

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I'll take it.

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Yeah, one of them is going pants and one of

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them isn't.

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The mystery that really you know, breeds the call.

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Then you'll know. Then we'll see five lights for sure,

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maybe a shining moon. So you guys, we always start

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off the podcast with our fans shout out, and that's

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where we say thank you to fans just like you

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right there for supporting our podcast. And you can become yeah,

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our fans shout outs by going over to chek talking

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dot com or actually no, well yeah you can go

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there too, but you want to go to our Facebook page,

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check Talking and Beyond and at the top of the page,

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you see a pin post, live long and prosper saying

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where are you from? Just tell where you're from? Leave

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lots of dancing and movies and get to my attention.

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Look for heart next to your name from yours truly,

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Uncle Jim, and then tune into the future show because

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you will be immortalized as a fan of Trek Talking.

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So Eric, you want to get us started with our fans,

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shout out.

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I will, but I was briefly distracted there by Paul's

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rally Pumpkin, but you know that's that's okay. My first

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fan shadowt goes out this week to mister David Robertson,

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who is saying hello to us from New Zealand all

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the way on the in the other Hemisphere. Thank you,

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David for supporting our podcast and for saying hello to us,

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and we really appreciate you checking in with us this week.

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Also saying hello to Fabio Bonelli, who sang hello to

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us from Varies in Italia. Thank you Fabio for saying

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hello to us. I love your food, I love your cars,

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I love your scenery. Your men are sometimes a little weird,

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but that's okay. Thank you Fabio for saying hello. To

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all saying hello this week to Alexandro Picterrello, who's saying

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hello to us from Campagnas City in South Paolo, Brazil. Wow,

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lots of support for our podcast in Brazil. We always

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appreciate that. Thank you Alexandro for saying hello to us.

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Livelong and prosper to you. And last, but not least,

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on my list, I would like to say hello this

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week to Martin Neil, who is hailing from Hertfordshire, England,

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just across the pond where we have lots and lots

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of friends of the podcast, right.

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Charles, definitely and sneaking over to the North, the North

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America's Let's welcome Ken Townsend from the Space coast of Florida.

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I hope he's in around Kennedy. Otherwise there's some empty

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spaces with a Zindy in Florida. Welcome Jada Whittmere from

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New Mexico. Okay, Jada, you're going r green. Welcome Anthony

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William some Jersey Channel islands. Welcome Anthony, and welcome Kevin

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clem uh Clement currently living in currently living in Texas. Okay, Kevin,

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where were you before you were in Texas? And who's

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grebing V or my grabbin V.

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Well, oh yeah, I could grab you really quick.

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Okay, Chris okay.

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I would like to say hello and welcome to Carrie

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Tycott from Ontario, Canada, giving us a Canadian flag and

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Live Long and prospers.

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Next on, huh.

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Oh am, I not coming in.

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You're coming and clear, brother, You're coming in loud and clear.

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Alright, great cool, And next is a shout out to

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Teresa Grego from Mansville, Washington, north of Seattle. Next shout

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out a to Chris okay, how you pronounced it? Coming

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in from southern Oregon giving us to Live long and prosper.

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Last time I shout out list it goes to Shelley

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Donmond McCanny McCartney from Minnesota.

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And Paul who's on your list?

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Thank you, David, I appreciate that.

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Well.

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You know what start your enthusiasm is a global dare

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I say international phenomenon, just because you will find people

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who dig the message of an enlightened progressive future all

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over the planet, including our friend Alex Patnik. Live Long

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and prosper. Greetings from Alex Patnik in Israel. So hope

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things are going well for you there. That is excellent

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to see that we have representation all over the world.

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A little bit further down the road in Belgium, our

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friend Uriel Robert is there in Belgium. Amazing place to live, sir.

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So phenomenal to hear from you. And then let's go

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over tomorrow home soil if we can, and we'll go

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over to Luton, Bedfordshire in the United Kingdom, in mary Old, England,

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where we have Christopher Bryan signing in from Bedfordshire.

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There.

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So wonderful to hear from you, Christopher, help things and

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going well, you have quite a storm me week on

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tap from what I've been here ing. Then a little

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bit further to the north we go up the Northern

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Ireland flag bill and proudly in the wind and our

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good friends, and I know we've seen Eddie's name on

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here before. Eddie is a pretty regular trans friends, missionaire.

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What would you call him? A traveler, a fellow traveler

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within the starting universe. I know we've seen his name

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in greetings here before. So great to get a transmission

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from you, Eddie and all of our friends in the

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European realm. Great to hear from you all. And then

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back on the home soil of you're not in sight, murk,

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We're gonna hear Uncle Jim.

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Thank you, Thank you so much. Paul Well. I would

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like to say hello and thank you Frank Clark, who's

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listening to us in Asherville, North Carolina. Welcome to the podcast, Frank.

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We also want to welcome Alano what Star from Columbia, Maryland.

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Thank you so much. And Laurie is a bella from

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Middle Pound, Wisconsin, the suburb of Wisconsin's capital Madison, and

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she sends us a heart, a livelong and prosper a

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what is that a us from the cheeseheads. So thank

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you so much, Laurie for being a fan. We really

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appreciate it. And last but not least, on my list,

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I want to say hello and thank you to Rachel d.

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Stay in West Jordan, Utah. If you guys would like

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and without any further ado. You know what time it is.

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Now it's time for a poll, which means stop pulling song.

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Colin Poplin poland you know me like no win what

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you thought about the show when we try.

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To share your opinions with all of our minions out

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there because they listen worldwide.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Together we will all treat Canara and robulin Ale to night.

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All right, guys. Every week on our Facebook page, I

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like to ask you guys interesting and intrigue dot provoke

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and sometimes worthlessly ridiculous questions and to get you guys

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involved this one so uh and David usually pushed together

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an interesting video or us. So, David, you want to

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roll the tape?

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Maybe?

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Okay, here we go.

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Okay, h.

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Con Bloodsucker Golds. You're gonna have to do your own dirty.

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Work now, do you hear me?

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Do you?

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Okirk cod You're still alive, My own.

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Friend, still old friend.

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You manage to kill just about everyone else, but like

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a pool marksman, you keep missing the target.

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Perhaps I no longer need to try.

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Oh no, the girl can't take it.

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Come God, You've got genesis, but you don't have me.

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You are going to kill me, cod and you're going

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to have to come down here. You're going to have

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to come down here.

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I've done far worse than kill you.

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I've hurt you, and I wish to go on.

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Hurting you.

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I shall leave you as you loved me.

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I shall left her my own for all eternity in

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the center of the dead planet. Marry the line, marry

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the line.

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God, Ah, so tell me, what do you really think

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of me? I am the former Prefect of.

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Baijor, an evil man who sent thousands of Masurance to

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their deaths to satisfy his own satistict desires.

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No more pretense, no games, just you, me and the truth.

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What do you know about the truth?

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You bend the truth into whatever shape suits you.

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Ah, judicis go hands down another ruling. But where's his evidence?

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All right?

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You really want to do this here?

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Now?

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Yes?

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Okay, okay, let's do it. You were a Prefect of

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Bajor during the occupation, true aposs true, and you were

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responsible for everything that happened under your commander, true a

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posse True, So that means that you are responsible for

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the murder of a pipe million b shortans Underwatch two

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or four False.

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They were blind, agran fools.

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If only they had cooperated with us, we could have

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turned the world into a paradise. From the moment we

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arrived on Vasure, it was clear that we were the

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superior race.

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But they couldn't accept.

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That they wanted to be treated as equals when they

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most certainly were not.

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And you hated them for it.

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Of course I hated them. I hate everything about them,

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their superstitions and their cries for sympathy, their treachery and

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their lies, their smug superiority and their stiff necked obstinacy,

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the earrings and the broken wrintal loses.

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You should have killed them off.

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Yes, Yes, that's right, isn't it.

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I knew it.

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I've always known it.

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I should have killed every last one of them.

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I should have turned that planet.

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It's a graveyard, the lights of which the galaxy.

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Had never seen.

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Oh guy, so you've seen the clip. What is the question, Eric?

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The question is who is the best villain? And of

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the people who responded to our poll, forty said con

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Nodian Sing is the better villain and sixty percent said Ducat.

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I am a little surprised by that, but I respect

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that decision. Of course, the correct answer is kai Win.

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But uh.

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Okay, se Yeah, what do you guys think?

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One of one of our Facebook people mentioned, and I

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think fairly enough that gold Dukot is featured more than

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con con got a movie in an episode, so we

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never really got well, we do have the audio drama now,

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but we don't really get to see the full extent

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of his his badness. So whereas gold Ducott, as we

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just saw Benjamin Cisco put him in his place, we

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saw the full extent of his evilness. So yeah, I

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think I think I'm gonna go with the minions on

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this one. I gotta go with Golducot.

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I mean, we see, we see the full extent of

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his evilness, but then he kind of has like a

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little mini redemption arc in the middle of Deep Space nine,

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and then he goes full on Pa Raith at the end.

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So I feel like we get at least three different

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Ducats throughout the seven seasons of Deep Space nine. And

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you're right, there just wasn't that much time with Con

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spent to see how he would dive.

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Yeah, what do you think, child? Are you with the minions?

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I'm gonna have to go against the minions on this one.

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To me, still one of my favorite villains had to

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be Con in my list, probably my second favorite movie, no,

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not five being four being my top favorite. But Con

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as a villain. I can still remember the theater sitting

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there watching what he's doing, even though it's funny that

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we saw that scene and yet Kirk has a plant

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up his sleeve to challenge Khan. That was one of

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the great battles, one of the early great.

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Battles of Star Trek.

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To see those two add it and to bring back

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of it, bring back one of the characters from the

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tos and show the full stretch of it. Why they

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do the why'd they do the uh pod audio podcast?

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Because Con is a great villain and we want more

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details about what kind of man he was, So my

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vote definitely for Con.

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Well, while we're talking Con, let me ask you guys

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a question. In my mind and my little people might

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be seeing eye on I be long on the tooth.

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I'm not sure what I seem to remember when I

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saw that movie and he yells CON. I could have

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sworn he yelled at three times when I remember seeing

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a theater, but in that clip he only said it twice.

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Did he actually ever say it three times? Or did

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he only say it twice? And what do you guys remember,

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was it two or three?

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I remember three times, but I always thought of it

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as a as he actually only said it once. It's

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kind of like the Jean Claude von da movies where

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he like punches somebody and then they do it three

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times just to like raise the impact level of what

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he's doing. Right, I always assumed that he really only

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said it once, but then they repeated it two more times,

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just to like increase the emotional effect of his of

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his con. But I here's what I'll say about that moment,

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Jim probably one of the best moments of all time.

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To pause your video slash DVD slash streaming player, because

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when he when he screws up his face to yell con,

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it's an amazing facial excession, one of the best that

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Shatner's ever delivered.

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Yes, and he does it with shatnerisms too, which I

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thought was great. So I just wanted to ask how

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about you, Paul, are you I gotta go with I

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gotta I gotta go with the cot on this one. Yeah,

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Mark Alaimo was just a phenomenal actor.

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He's great. I mean, nothing against Ricardo mon Dabahn. I mean,

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it's a great character, right, but it's just it's a

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it's a one two punch, right, I mean, you basically

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had two opportunities to play the character, right, And and

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they're wonderful, indelible, but it's kind of hard to compare

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them fairly, just because you know, Mark Alamo had many,

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many seasons to build this character and take him on

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several arcs. And Golducott is just you know, I mean

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he is, you know, a pranstitioner of Vernis. He's done

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a horrific things, right, I mean, just terrible, terrible thing.

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Yeah.

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Maybe he tried to have you know, some kind of

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a you know, flirting opportunity at redemption, but even an

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evil human being, and Alimo plays him in such a

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Shakespearean way, right, because he's like, you know, the best

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villains don't think they're villains, right, They think that they

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are the hero of the story, that they're absolutely justified

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in what they're doing. And the great thing about Goldecott

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is Goldecott is always even with Cisco, he's pretty much

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the smartest man in the room, no dummy, He's He's

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just a really hyper intelligent, you know, ruthless individual who unfortunately,

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uh grew up and committed to fancism. So you know,

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he's definitely a character that there is a lot of study,

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and you know, be careful we don't run into real

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life or Lars. Yeah, a phenomenal depiction, but I gotta

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go with.

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Gold all right, and that ways, that ways our poor David,

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what do you think dominions are against dominions?

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Well, is your a third option such as myself for light?

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Come on, guys, but.

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Uh yeah, I'm actually gonna be I'm gonna be agoing

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with the minion done edge one. I think Golden Cod

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is definitely probably the most fleshed out villain, like you've

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said before, you know, since Con only had like a

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one episode in a movie. Uh, golden Cott had a big,

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huge arc soot like seven Sheeton. But I mean now

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we've got the Con audio, so yeah, we'll see what

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that take session. It might change my mind to turn

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it to Con. But right, now gold to Kott, I

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think is probably the most villain push and I would

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probably vote for it too. And just like how what

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Eric would remember my favorite Dark Trek shares Base nine.

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So yeah, I U I yeh go to Cott all

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the way for me?

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All right? So there you have it. But wait, there's more.

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We also have another question. So this one, this one

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I put in here specifically for child. So, David, do

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you want to roll the tape? Maybe there we go,

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there we go?

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Cool and they left last night.

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If you didn't want to mob scene with the press,

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it wouldn't have been good for them.

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Besides, we thought it would be easier.

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On you this.

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You sent them away without even letting me say them.

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You start up a pitch, all right, so you saw

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the clip. What's the question?

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Eric?

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That question is in Star Trek for the Voyage Home,

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Bob Riggs, that gentleman on the screen there sends the

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whale out to see without telling our heroine Gillian. Do

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you agree with his decision? Twenty percent of our people

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say yes, that was a good decision, and eighty percent

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say no, it was a bad decision. And I am

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fully with the minions on this one. You can't like

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she had huge emotional investment in George and Grazie, right,

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and he lets him go without telling her. That's just rude.

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He didn't have to tell the press, but he should

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have told her.

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Yeah, I agree, Eric. And there was another scene in

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there where, if I remember correctly, she's talking about intelligence

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and he says something about it's never been proven that

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they're intelligent. She says something like, well, my my, my

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lover affects her for someone isn't based on their intelligence

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something like that. So yeah, I agree. I agree with

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the minions. He was raw and he deserved to get slapped.

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So there you have it. How about you, Chiles. I

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put this one in just for you because I know

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you like start for four.

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Yes, Bob is a dink. Bob shouldn't Bob. Bob shouldn't

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have done what he did. It's like he didn't tell

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anybody else. I'll just send them off. It's like, yeah,

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and they proved that he sent them off, and it's

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still they still knew they were out there as the

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Chinese went chasing after him. But I love the stories

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that I've heard in the past decade or so the

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fact that the whales were coming back. Okay, thanks to

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our trek you help maybe bring those whales back a

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little bit.

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Awesome. How about you, Paul, do you think mister Riggs

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was was right in his decision.

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Or no, I think he was.

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He was, you know, as we've all clearly I think

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come to consensus it was. It's a plot driver, right, But.

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He's a dick.

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He's very insensitive, right, and you know which is you know,

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of course backing up, really, no one has the you know,

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right to be keeping the whales in captivity in any circumstance, right,

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I mean it's really you know, morally correct. So but

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you know, but still you did have that bond and

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to disregard that, well, you know, he's just basically living

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in the mantle of most administrators everywhere doing what the

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rituals changed community without factoring in the human emotions, which

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is you know, you know, when people need their jobs individual.

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It.

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Sorry Griggs, but I hope I have a good time

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working at the local cinnabon store. Now he gets the

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golden Zimle war for sure.

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All right, David, how about you? What do you think?

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Yeah, I agree with everybody here that yeah, Bob could

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or it was clear that she was really closer with

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whales and if anything were to happen to them, she

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would probably just quit.

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I think she did quit right then and there. Okay,

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I don't think she ever.

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Went back so well, she went to the future.

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Yeah, she definitely quit her job. Chets Okay, so this

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is the right moment, Jim, I just have to bring

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this up. So I'm not sure if we'll ever get

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to reviewing the newest Lower Dex comics or not. Both

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they brought up I think a very good point about

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this movie. I don't know if you guys have been

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reading the latest comics, but so they take George and

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Gracie to the future, and presumably those two have babies, right,

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and that's how the whale population is sort of repopulated.

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But anybody who knows anything about genetic diversity knows that

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brothers and sisters shouldn't be having babies, and so the

474
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newest Lower Decks comics kind of deal with that idea

475
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.000
that two whales probably wasn't enough to bring to the future.

476
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.079
So if you want more on Star Trek four and

477
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.279
what the fallout from only bringing two whales to the

478
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:17.680
future is, read the latest Lower Decks comics right now.

479
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.759
They're hilarious and very plainant.

480
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:25.759
I think, well, we have five many episodes of COD

481
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.480
to cover and then we probably will end up with

482
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:30.000
Comic Corner coming.

483
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.319
Back and cool awesome that we will.

484
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:37.400
All right, guys, So those are cool questions. And that

485
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.119
was a fun part of the show. Privia time.

486
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.839
And you know what that music means. It's once again

487
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.279
time to put on your thinking caps and join us

488
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:55.839
for Star Trek trivia time with Uncle Jimson.

489
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.559
I like to have some fun. And now that we're

490
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.559
we're check talking and beyond on limited to only Star

491
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.839
Trek and I'm taking advantage of that. And so my

492
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:11.359
first question, I'm gonna throw what Paul so Paul and

493
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:15.720
the John Carpenter classic they live. What's the only way

494
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.440
that the humans can see the aliens?

495
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.559
Well, you've got to be able to get yourself a

496
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:28.119
pair of very special sunglasses, Uncle Jim, and then all

497
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.519
will be revealed. You will see where it says on

498
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.759
sale instead is revealed to say, Oh, so I think

499
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.200
we could use a bunch of sunglasses like that right now.

500
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.839
Yeah, absolutely correct. And my next question goes out to David.

501
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:51.880
You ready, David he's got the glasses all right. In

502
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:55.480
a road on a Star Wars story, what happened to

503
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:56.279
Red five?

504
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:07.559
Did he blow up?

505
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:12.279
Yes, it's a pretty good guess.

506
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:29.960
Especially the very next speaking alumni voice K two s o.

507
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:40.000
Oh, like like a leaf on the wind, it's uh

508
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.799
Alan Alan right? Alan to Dick? Is that how you

509
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:44.279
pronounced that?

510
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:45.920
Who?

511
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.119
Who? Also recently, well not recently, over the last several years,

512
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.759
has starred in a very kitchy and awesome television series

513
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:54.480
called Resident Alien. I don't know if you guys have

514
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.960
seen it or not, but if you like goofy sci fi,

515
00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:59.799
it's pretty good. It was based on a comic, and

516
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:01.400
the comic was a little bit better than the show,

517
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.599
but it's still. His portrayal was great. So yeah, I

518
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.119
love him. He's such a great actor.

519
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:10.519
Yeah, that's I met him. He's funny like that. He's

520
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.880
a riot. So I'm gonna throw this next one at Charles.

521
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.840
Oh No, you know, I think this one's a better

522
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:21.000
suit for I think he's a better suitor. In the

523
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.960
nineteen eighty films Saturn three, what was the name of

524
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.920
the Killer Robot? Oh?

525
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:32.280
Lord movie? I even heard of that movie.

526
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:37.960
It's it's infamous. I can actually attest that I saw Saturn.

527
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.159
I paid good money to see Saturn three in the theater, okay,

528
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:44.639
and it was a colossal bomb. I mean, this is

529
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.599
an era of science fiction, but they were making so

530
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:51.159
many movies so fast, handover fist, right, and and this

531
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.800
was a science fiction movie with a robot. Kirk Douglas,

532
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.840
Harvey Keitel, and Farah Fawcett. Okay, so it was the

533
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:04.840
weirdest science fiction ever because the people in the behind

534
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.599
the scenes had no idea what they were doing. Eric,

535
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.800
you remember Roy Ddtriss, who plays Commissioner Simmons or Space

536
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.000
ninety nine. Yeah, they hired Roy Dodtris to dub Harvey Kaitel.

537
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.639
Wait what if you watch you don't even get the

538
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:19.840
Harvey Kuytell cool voice.

539
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.400
Yeah, because it's too much like a New York back.

540
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:24.199
Mister.

541
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.800
It's just like you a fascist accents like I don't

542
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:30.519
even must understand what I'm saying. It's it's it's a

543
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.199
nuts job of a movie, not a well designed robot

544
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.559
at all, I don't think. But the robot's name was Hector,

545
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.960
because they're really milking the Hector and the Achilles comparisons

546
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.519
in this movie, right, could be a mythic, right, but

547
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.639
it is if you if you have us. I mean,

548
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.599
I've been watching all of season two of Space nineteen

549
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.880
ninety nine. Eric, I think you might be able to

550
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.039
tolerate this, but it is it's it's you.

551
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.280
Know, to handle some cheesy sci fi, that is for sure.

552
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.440
Instead, I would recommend the movie called Outland with Sean

553
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.440
Connery instead, which I have seen that infinitely better.

554
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.360
Yeah, so was there was there a Saturn one and

555
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:08.559
two or no?

556
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.280
It was just a reference to like the the probe

557
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.519
number the planet, the third moon of Saturn, I think

558
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:17.719
is what it was, if I remember correctly. I'm still

559
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:19.199
trying to forget that I ever saw the movie.

560
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:23.880
But so they changed the voice of the robot because

561
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.880
they were trying to copy what Coward did with Dark Rader.

562
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:29.480
No, it's the voice of It wasn't the robot. It

563
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:31.599
was the voice of Harvey Kaitel, who's like this sort

564
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.920
of evil kind of black leather wearing. He would be like,

565
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:39.119
he's almost like, what is it called? What do we

566
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:40.760
say it? On the division whatever?

567
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:42.440
On Star Trek?

568
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.559
The people that we don't like them, thank you. He's

569
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:48.840
like a section thirty one person kind of you know,

570
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.360
you know, black hat kind of dude. But for some reason,

571
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.760
it's like you hire Harvey Kaitel, who was so you know,

572
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.079
known for his voice. I mean that shouldn't be a

573
00:36:58.119 --> 00:36:59.960
surprise when you show up on set. What Harvey ketch

574
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:00.519
sounds like?

575
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:00.800
Right?

576
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.000
But it's crazy, it's just crazy, but it's just but yeah,

577
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.239
actor is the robots name? The most long winded answer ever.

578
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.639
That was great. Thanks for all the info.

579
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.280
That's what I'm gonna thro Charles. Jonathan Raker Freaks is

580
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:29.239
married to what soap opera star? H Okay, all.

581
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.440
Mute, sorry, mute, There we go.

582
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:41.840
I an interpretive dance, Yes I was, I said I

583
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.440
but I don't follow too many wise, but I think

584
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:52.719
it was Genie Francis. Francis Francis for giving Paul Saturn

585
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.639
three because I don't think I even saw Saturn three.

586
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.119
You're lucky, Charles.

587
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.039
Yeah, I'll pull it out. I'll watch it every ten

588
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.400
or twelve years. Just remember it and forget it quickly,

589
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.119
all right, Speaking of a movie that's not forgotten that

590
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.679
we watched many many times, I'm gonna throw this one

591
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:18.000
at David, all right, David in the nineteen eighty six

592
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:22.599
James Camera classic Aliens. What character says game over Man?

593
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:23.199
Game over?

594
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:25.000
Game over me?

595
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.320
Oh, man, I haven't seen Aliens in so long. The

596
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.719
first time I remember watching my last week.

597
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.519
Yeah, this is character is very memorable.

598
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.559
Ah, I know I missed an Aliens discussion that bumps

599
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:38.840
me out.

600
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.039
Yeah it's so, I'll give you a hint, David. It's

601
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:46.360
the guy who was in Aliens, Terminator and Predator.

602
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.079
Predator too, Predator two?

603
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:54.599
Yeah, yeah, lard fictionaor Okay.

604
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:58.039
I just think, well that's a good guess.

605
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.159
Yeah, okay, someone else got that I don't remember.

606
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:03.440
Want to.

607
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:11.320
I'll steal it. Hudson Man, Okay, why don't you put

608
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:12.119
her in charge?

609
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:17.679
Played by Bill Paxon. I love the game over man,

610
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:23.280
Straight to Hell?

611
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:27.760
Dad lived all that stuff?

612
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:28.599
Oh did he really?

613
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.519
I didn't know that Cameron liked him and just thought

614
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.480
he said go do some stuff and some stick. Really great.

615
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:43.840
Hmm okay, So I'm gonna throw this one out to Charles.

616
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:48.320
I think this is a star question this episode. What

617
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:51.280
makes miss Mace Windows Savers so unique?

618
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:53.239
Oh?

619
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:55.800
This was actually an interesting one that I picked up

620
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:03.400
when I was at Disneyland, the rare purple lightsaber. I'm

621
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:04.440
a Jedi master.

622
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.960
Well, and it's actually it's gotta if I remember correctly.

623
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.079
It actually has a second thing that's kind of unique

624
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.519
about it, which is that the hilt is gold versus

625
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.320
like a silver metal. I know everybody thinks about the blade,

626
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.199
but like the hilt part is gold too, and the

627
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:27.599
blade has something to do with like some style of

628
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:33.400
Jedi shenanigans he knows is what supposedly makes his lightsaber purple.

629
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:37.679
I don't remember the details, but there's a yeah, it's

630
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.840
the chirocrist but like it's his internal energy because of

631
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.960
this style of Jedi stuff that he knows makes it.

632
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.840
It's actually it's actually rather interesting. I've heard an interview

633
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.320
and he said, oh, you're getting a chance of being

634
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.239
a Star Wars movie. Oh great, I get to be

635
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:57.280
in a big part. And obviously he comes in and

636
00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.400
all of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah, we're putting

637
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:04.519
you through oo uh costuming. Oh, you're actually doing me

638
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.559
through costuming. As all of a sudden he finds out, oh,

639
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.360
we're getting you set up for this, for this lightsaber.

640
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.119
You're making me a special lightsaber and to find out

641
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.440
he had a major part in the movie. Didn't even

642
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.800
realize it. He just expected to show up as being

643
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.599
somebody in the background and became a major character in

644
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:24.039
the movie.

645
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.559
That's funny. I always assumed that he requested that color

646
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.239
of lightsaber, didn't know a had it kind of set

647
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.079
up ahead of time. That's cool.

648
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.320
I'm not sure if they planned it, but they he

649
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.480
did not expect to be the character he was.

650
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.239
Yeah, when George Lucas first makes cole words, he wasn't

651
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.960
planning on a different colored lightshaber being a certain like

652
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.679
different type of Jedi stuff. He actually came up with

653
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.039
that idea later on, and then all of a sudden,

654
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.960
different colors of light shaber represents certain things.

655
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.400
So that's interesting.

656
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.280
Well, this next question I'm gonna throw out to Eric

657
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:06.400
because always does our Shatner says, so in honor Halloween,

658
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:11.239
what connection does William Shatner as Captain Kirk to the

659
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:12.679
Halloween franchise.

660
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:18.239
Oh, his face is the is like the Michael Myers mask, right.

661
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.480
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Captain Kirk is the killer.

662
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.960
Yeah, there was there's some story about that where it

663
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.639
was like they grabbed it off of the lot or something,

664
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.639
and he had had the cast done. I can't remember

665
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:33.280
what the story is. I don't know if one of

666
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:34.760
you guys remember that or not, but.

667
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.639
Yeah, of course of course I do. So on the

668
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:42.559
on the laya disk of Halloween, there's an interview with

669
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.360
the makeup artist dude, and he was told to do

670
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.119
a mask, and they were like, what are we going

671
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.039
to do? What are we going to do? So it

672
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:51.960
was such a low budget movie. They ran down a

673
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.440
local Halloween store and there was a whole shelf full

674
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.639
of Captain Kirk masks. So they grabbed a couple. They

675
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.079
brought them back. They cut the hair and they stray

676
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:04.440
painted them white. They cut the eyes out bigger, and

677
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.039
they said, okay, here's our bad guy. And that's how

678
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.719
it happened through the years. Though they actually redesigned it

679
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.480
and actually made a Michael Myers mass so they wouldn't

680
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:18.599
have to pay you know, paramount for you. They actually

681
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.440
did note the Michael Myers mask did that, but the

682
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:22.599
original one was Captain.

683
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.119
All right, this one, this next question is going to

684
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.199
go out to Paul. He's my my classic sci fi

685
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.800
down here, all right, Paul. In the miniseries V what

686
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.119
brought the visitors to Earth.

687
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.000
Well, I could answer that question a couple of different ways,

688
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.880
Uncle Tim. And what actually brought the Earth was a

689
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.119
large spaceship. That would be one way I could. That

690
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.480
would be about that. It's also shape, you know, because

691
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:55.679
you know it's all now the question, right, So that

692
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.800
is one interpretation that they bribed in a large spaceship. However,

693
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:03.039
digging deeper as I like to go, and dig deeper

694
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:07.159
the booted if you will, The reason that brought them

695
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:13.079
to Earth was they claimed that their planet was dying bullshit,

696
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.960
and they offered advanced technology in exchange for Earth's chemicals

697
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:21.119
and minerals, et cetera, when they were really a bunch

698
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:27.039
of reptilian gopher swallowers and intended to line us all

699
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.320
up on the barbecue pit and turn us all into

700
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.119
various things. So, if it turns out this note, you know,

701
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.280
and that big object that's out there beyond Mars is approaching,

702
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:41.320
they're supposed to arrive here sometime the next couple months whenever,

703
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.159
you know, if it turns out that they are aliens

704
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.599
claiming to offer us things to help us, let's be

705
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.280
a little you know, let's vet that shit Okay before

706
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.000
we like, you know, let's just not you know, not

707
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:54.960
give away the store. Let's let's just make sure that

708
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.440
we really know what's going on. Let's, you know, let's

709
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:03.599
do what we do in America. Let's throw lawyers at them. Okay, well,

710
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:05.280
look we got lots of Here.

711
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:09.599
Is another reason that brought them here to Earth.

712
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:12.679
Yeah, there's one that Paul didn't say that I can

713
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:12.960
think of.

714
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:14.920
Oh what did I forget?

715
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:17.599
No?

716
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.559
No, no, they wanted the water. They said that there. Yeah,

717
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.639
they said that their planet didn't have any water, and

718
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:25.920
so they came here because it was like seventy five

719
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.440
percent water on the ocean surface.

720
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:41.159
Yeah, Flash, okay, so you get the final question. Oh good,

721
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.119
this is a tough one. This is a coffee. I

722
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.400
don't know if they know this one or not. In

723
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:54.400
the nineteen eighty movie, Flash performed the soundtrack I want

724
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:54.920
to get this one.

725
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:55.679
Come on, you got this.

726
00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:58.400
On this one?

727
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.920
Well, okay, so according to timeline, this would before my time.

728
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.039
So yeah, but this is timeless.

729
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.360
But you heard this song of the.

730
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.719
Oh man, I have no I can't put that way.

731
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.119
Okay, here's your hint. It's the same band that did

732
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:20.760
the soundtrack for Highlander.

733
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.800
Oh that just wait the movie. Giv you show the movie.

734
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:29.360
I haven't the movie.

735
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.400
I thought this was the easiest question in the world

736
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:41.679
when somebody said.

737
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:42.000
The name.

738
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:52.480
Okay, Adam Free, Adam Lambert back with Freddie Mercury and

739
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.239
the Fabulous Queen.

740
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:57.639
That's right, Queen.

741
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:00.639
Yeah, I don't know the name to Sean.

742
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:07.760
Guys, I'm gonna send you some soundtracks, David.

743
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:17.440
Yeah, a soundtrack. It's a kind of magic like Queen,

744
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:17.800
which was.

745
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:18.880
A soundtrack.

746
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.079
That whole album.

747
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:30.519
Album the song from Iron Eagle, though one vision the

748
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:31.920
rest of it is from Highland.

749
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:40.360
Bad said that, oh my god, the first and the

750
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.679
worst of the top gun ripoffs. Me my god.

751
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.920
If you thought the first one was, did you sit

752
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:46.719
through the second one?

753
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.280
No, not a chance in hell.

754
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:50.760
Yeah, I was over.

755
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.159
Was over watching Firefox In the next one.

756
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.960
Spoiler alert, the hero from the first movie dies in

757
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:02.400
the first five seconds of the second one. Why am

758
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.639
I watching this? He's dead? All right? Well, that was

759
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:11.280
on our journey beyond the Star Trek, and now we're

760
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.000
going to come back to the world as Star Trek,

761
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.039
and we're going to talk about Star Trek con the

762
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:19.360
radio drama episode or magical Thinking, and we're going to

763
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:22.360
have Paul give us a quick rundown.

764
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.239
All right, friends, So we have made it to almost

765
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.559
a halfway point of this radio drama, if I'm not

766
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.239
mistaken here. So this is episode four of Star Trek

767
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:37.920
Con the dramatic podcast. Very good stuff so far, and

768
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.039
the episode four is called Magical Thinking, And so we're

769
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.039
kind of focusing a little bit here on con struggle

770
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.920
with grief and leadership after some of the recent losses

771
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.840
that have been experienced on SETI Alpha five. Some things

772
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.360
I noted that we were highlighting in this episode that

773
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:59.039
appealed to me worth discussing. I think it's a theme

774
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:04.199
of trust with Marlon mcgiver's proving her worth by going

775
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.360
out and doing something uh, you know, heroic, you know,

776
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:15.360
involving some bravery, leading her acceptance by the colonists and

777
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.079
her restrengthening of her bond with Con, which is interesting.

778
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:19.320
Right.

779
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.480
There is this key moment of Cohn's initial rejection of

780
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.760
rituals as being magical thinking, right, but he is ultimately

781
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.239
persuaded by macgivers to help lead a memorial for the

782
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:35.559
following And some things going on here that I think

783
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:40.760
are good I really liked her acceptance there leading this mission.

784
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.800
Mcgiver's you know, to capture a SETI eel for ursula, right,

785
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.599
I think proves to everybody her value just beyond the

786
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.760
fact that's you know, nd woman, right, making more of

787
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.719
an integrated part of the community, which is great. But

788
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.559
mcgivers is strong in this episode, right. She convinces him

789
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.920
of their importance in uniting people through shared grief, right.

790
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:07.119
And and I think convinces him the way I read it,

791
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:11.159
right to lead the memorial for the fallen. And I

792
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.480
think given how he's been perceived in a couple of

793
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.159
different ways, I think it kind of helps solidify his

794
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.000
position as a as a leader who is more interested

795
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.199
in unification than conquest. Right. I mean, I know he's

796
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:27.800
got those two sides of him, as we've talked about,

797
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.320
but I think he's you know, being tempered a bit

798
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.079
by her influence. And I think the unifying thing is

799
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.559
seeming to me to emerge stronger here. And I think

800
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.960
if that was not, I somehow doubt that Marlon mcgivers

801
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:44.760
would have deepened her relationship with him there. So there's

802
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.599
there's you know, after some a little bit of estrangement

803
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:49.960
in earlier episodes are a little bit more book together

804
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:55.000
here now dominating in spoiler alert proposal and the revelation

805
00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:00.360
of Marlon mcgiver's pregnancy, which is kind of a big deal, right,

806
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.400
and then it's pretty interesting expansion of his backstory, I think,

807
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:09.400
and I thought that this was a fairly pivotal turnative

808
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.880
events in you know, the evolution of their society there

809
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.400
on the planet. So just kind of a you know,

810
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:18.519
rough overview. I'm probably forgetting as it's been a few

811
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.199
days since I've put any outes on this thing, so

812
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.719
I'm probably forgetting some stuff, but I thought it was

813
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.039
you know again, I think this is a really good

814
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.920
start up fans who were not paying attention to this

815
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.039
or missing it. I think it's really good. And I'm

816
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.239
like what the voice conist has been bringing to bear Hair.

817
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:38.159
I think there's a lot of good work going on.

818
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.000
But that's that's what we're talking about, so a lot

819
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.559
of good themes to discuss, and be really curious to

820
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:48.039
hear what everybody thinks of Marla and and what her

821
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:51.400
arc is like in this episode and and how conresponds

822
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:51.599
to that.

823
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.400
So Eric, would you like to get us started this week?

824
00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:59.239
Yeah, sure, Paul. I think that those are some great

825
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.519
questions and great topics that you were bringing up there.

826
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.039
I found Marlon mcgiver's Mcgiver's sorry to be a very

827
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:10.119
strong character in this one. I love how she's like

828
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.639
the only one that Con really listens to. There are

829
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.800
times in this episode where he's kind of like no woman,

830
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:22.039
but like generally speaking, he is listening to her, He's

831
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.159
taking it in, and I think that she's serving as

832
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.000
kind of like a tempering force for him a little bit,

833
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:31.440
which which is good. You know, we've talked in previous

834
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.639
episodes about how Con is being set up in this

835
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.480
series as not only the conqueror, but also as a

836
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:42.199
compassionate leader, not a king, but like a real leader

837
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.320
who cares more about his people than he does about

838
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:48.960
his his conquest. And I think mcgiver's is the type

839
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.159
of character that kind of helps draw that out of

840
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.639
him a little bit more in a world with you know,

841
00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:59.920
ever worsening weather and SETI eels all over the place

842
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:03.320
and that kind of stuff. So really really appreciate the

843
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.239
Marlon mc iver's character in this episode.

844
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:09.800
The she.

845
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:15.159
So she's from Starfleet, right, and so I like how

846
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.840
in all of the different episodes that we've seen so far,

847
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:21.320
they are these little moments where she sort of touches

848
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:25.280
back to her starfleet years, or her starfleet training, or

849
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:26.480
her starfleet equipment.

850
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:26.679
You know.

851
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:31.119
In previous episodes it was like Ursula and is it

852
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:36.480
madaw Madeau? Is her wife? Something like that. They they

853
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.000
they're like, hey, what are all these drugs? What are

854
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:41.280
all these come? Tell us about them, right, because you're

855
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.599
the only one that knows what all this crazy starfleet

856
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:50.480
stuff is. Yeah, in this one, we find out and

857
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.679
sorry if I this takes anybody's thunder, but we find

858
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.519
out that she kept a phaser, right, she kept a phaser.

859
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.559
We found out before that she kept a communicator. Now

860
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:00.519
we found out she kept a phaser. It turns out

861
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.000
that the phaser is the thing that saves the day

862
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:06.719
in the end, and so I just thought that was

863
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.559
It's kind of cool how she always keeps one toe

864
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:16.400
in the starfleet pool, so to speak. Paul already talked

865
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.239
about the pregnancy. I'm really excited to see where that goes.

866
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:21.880
Although I have a feeling it's doomed, but I'm you know,

867
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.119
who knows, Maybe maybe things will be okay. I don't know,

868
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.679
and let me see what else did I like? Oh,

869
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.679
I always like to comment on Ivan. So, so Ivan

870
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.760
is in this one, right, but he's a little bit

871
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:42.159
less evil than he has been in the past. I

872
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:44.559
feel like in this one, Ivan is kind of like

873
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.400
so also spoiler alert, they go out on a hunt

874
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.559
for like some Seti eels and stuff, and he's like,

875
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.599
he's kind of just like the hunter of Seti eels,

876
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:56.719
and he's a little bit less like I want to

877
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.760
kill everybody and take over the colony, which is kind

878
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.559
of the vibe that I've been getting off of him

879
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:06.159
up until now. So so I think Ivan's a little

880
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.119
less threatening. I think mcgivers is a great character. I

881
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:10.599
want to make sure and leave some stuff for the

882
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.599
other guys to talk about. But I'll say that I

883
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.480
pretty much dug this episode. It's you know, I always

884
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.119
listen to these twice. They're pretty short. This one was

885
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.599
like forty minutes with commercials, so it's probably thirty five

886
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.320
minutes of actual listening and it's easy to skip your

887
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:32.039
way through the commercials. Sorry advertisers, I didn't hear any

888
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:36.199
of what you had to say. But yeah, overall, I

889
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.440
thought this was a really solid episode. I actually liked

890
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:40.400
it better than I think the last one. I think

891
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:42.199
the last one I only gave like a seven or so,

892
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.559
so I'll give this one a solid eight. I totally

893
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:45.880
dug it.

894
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.239
Ah, you missed a really good hamorrhoid commercial. I will

895
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:50.599
tell you that.

896
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:55.440
Could he use that info? I mean, never mind.

897
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.920
You know, I'm sure next week, you know Star Trek

898
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.280
has brought to you my preparation age.

899
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:03.280
Is that why you're not wyn pan?

900
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:04.119
Uh?

901
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:04.559
Yeah?

902
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.320
I got to keep it cool, got to keep it cool.

903
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.880
Yeah. So I I went to Eric, I like, I

904
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:15.559
like this one a lot. I think that Marle was

905
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.280
the only one that actually tells con hey, dude, like

906
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:20.840
cool it you. She stands up to him, while the

907
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:24.440
other ones are like to him, we're not worthy, We're

908
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.880
not worthy. Marle was like, yo, dude, like take a

909
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.679
step back, man, and he listens to her surprisingly enough,

910
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:34.840
which is, you know, pretty cool.

911
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.800
So I want's a nice outgrowth from kind of like

912
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:39.960
how he because if you watch space Seed, right, he

913
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.199
kind of has these moments where he's completely enamored by her.

914
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.239
And I like that they've kind of brought that con

915
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:47.960
energy into this podcast.

916
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:52.400
Yeah. Absolutely, and You're right. She she falls back on

917
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:57.039
her Starfleet training quite frequently, actually, and I think she's

918
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.719
starting to earn the respect. I wasn't named Ursula. Was

919
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.360
that the is that the doctor? Yeah, when she goes

920
00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:06.679
out when they go ye, she goes out on the

921
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.960
hunt for the great SETI eel queen that lays the eggs,

922
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.760
and you know she's gonna be ay alone because she

923
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.360
has the phaser. No one no she has it. Is

924
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.760
goes with her. And I don't think we got to

925
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.519
worry too much about spoiler alerts because we are three

926
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:29.280
weeks behind. You know, Issula finds out that she has

927
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:34.679
the phaser and doesn't tell Khan, and when Ton finds

928
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:36.920
out about it, I'm like, CON's gonna be pretty pissed

929
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:40.360
about that. But like Ton's like, yo, dude, like that's cool.

930
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:43.079
You know, is respect between you and Ursula and I

931
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.320
can dig that ship. So that's okay. And so you know,

932
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:49.519
the Con that we're seeing is quite different from the

933
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.400
guy that strands Kirk on the asteroid that we just

934
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.760
saw on the clip a few minutes ago. So yeah,

935
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.920
I'm I'm I'm digging. I still have a question though,

936
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.119
So okay, last week, we thought that the Seti eels

937
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:07.440
were hanging out in the trees and falling into people's ears.

938
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.880
Now we find out that there's a giant queen that

939
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:15.159
lives underground and comes out of ground, out of the

940
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:20.119
ground and lunches and the people. I'm kind of I'm confused.

941
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:24.400
No, no, I got so in my opinion, and I

942
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:27.159
think that this is up for debate. But in my opinion,

943
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:29.519
you've got kind of like, so they said in this

944
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:34.079
one that there's like it's mostly it's mostly females, right,

945
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:35.920
The ones that we see that are on the ground

946
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.159
that have the larva are the females, and that there

947
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:41.960
are very few males, but that all of the mating

948
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:44.159
and the egg lay and they find like these little

949
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.719
white things on them that they think are the eggs,

950
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.280
and so they figure that that it's like this hive

951
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.559
thing where there's the queen. And then they get the

952
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:57.679
super scanner that the one guy made and they find

953
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.400
them underground. And so I think that the three stages

954
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.079
are like you're either a queen and you live underground

955
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.960
where it's all safe and you make the eggs, or

956
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.239
you're this is if you're a female Seti eel, or

957
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:13.039
you're like the medium sized one that sort of crawls

958
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:17.599
around and like gets in the way, or you're a larva,

959
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.400
and if you're a larva, you're either under the carapace

960
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:23.800
of the medium sized one or you're up in the

961
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:26.719
trees dropping down in people's ears. That's what That's what

962
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:33.639
I said, all right. I don't know. It is cool

963
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:35.679
that they're exploring this though, right, Like they're trying to

964
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:40.559
give us more information about the SETI Eel, which which

965
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.000
is like significantly expanding on what we get in Star

966
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:45.639
Trek two, which I think is really cool.

967
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:51.119
Yeah, I think it's neat and like, so beam them

968
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:55.880
down on the planet. He beams downs, am I would

969
00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:56.760
they make the guns?

970
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.920
Don't know they were given weapons, but I think Kurt

971
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:03.400
gave them everything that they would need to survive there, right,

972
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:07.559
So he gave them technology, he gave them weapons, but

973
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.679
he didn't give them The one thing that's confusing to

974
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:14.280
me is mcgiver says in this one something about how

975
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:18.719
you know, the phaser is like an advanced technology, and

976
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:22.559
so Starfleet has this thing about not giving advanced technology

977
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:25.280
to people who don't already have it. And so I

978
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:29.679
think the guns and everything that the that Starfleet provided

979
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:34.199
for the Augments were basically like the things they would

980
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:35.960
have been using back in the twenty first century when

981
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:37.079
they were making war on Earth.

982
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:42.559
That makes sense. I can buy that. That's cool. So

983
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:46.000
I think overall, I think I think eight is a

984
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:47.840
good rating for this one. For me, I think in

985
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.199
eight sounds about right. How about you, Charles.

986
01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:01.000
She brings back, try to bring in tradition and to

987
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:06.800
this group where she sit there's and speaks to Khan.

988
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:10.519
It's like, Okay, you're gonna take all this emotion into

989
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:16.360
yourself and not give anybody else a chance to deal

990
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.960
with these situations. As we've noticed, there's a lot of

991
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:25.320
secrets in this camp. Khan's trying to hide the deaths,

992
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:30.159
Marla's trying to hide her secrets. Several people have got

993
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:34.920
quite a few secrets they are hiding in here. But

994
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.239
I like the chance. It's like, okay, give these people

995
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:42.719
a chance to grieve, and con suddenly agreeves like, okay,

996
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:47.880
let's have a burial ceremony. Let's have these people recognize

997
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:52.880
and remember them as who they were. And I like

998
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:56.239
that She's trying to bring some of the traditions back

999
01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:01.159
that he was trying to forget, like okay, but you're

1000
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:04.960
not giving these people a chance to do what to

1001
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.239
do things they did back when they were on Earth.

1002
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:12.360
And the emotions that some of the characters go through

1003
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:17.199
by saying I recognize your pain, and I think that's

1004
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:24.440
what Khan suddenly realized, like Okay, if this is Khan's woman,

1005
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:30.199
then Khan needs to make her his proper woman and

1006
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:35.719
go through a proposal. And when you hear him say, well,

1007
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:37.519
I think I'm supposed to do this on one on

1008
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.360
a knee, on one knee, and it's like, oh, he's

1009
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.039
actually going to that old proposal, old method of proposing.

1010
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:50.639
It's like, okay, that's another ceremony, that's another tradition. And

1011
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:52.840
I think it's definitely interesting at bringing some of the

1012
01:02:52.920 --> 01:03:01.199
traditions back and where their Marla is not part of

1013
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:07.679
the colony. She's an outsider. All of a sudden, she's

1014
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:11.199
helping them out and they're recognizing as her as part

1015
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:16.280
of the group. She's welcome, she's welcome, invited, and welcome

1016
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:19.480
to the fires, and.

1017
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:21.320
So we go to that.

1018
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:24.719
It's interesting to see how she comes really a part

1019
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:31.159
of the group. So I agree with this group. I

1020
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:33.320
think this is a good solid eight. But this is

1021
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:37.840
definitely a very good episode and keeps me wondering what's

1022
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:41.079
going to happen next, especially with how they're gonna do

1023
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:44.519
deal with the maintaining those eels.

1024
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:50.320
All right, how about you, David, what do you think?

1025
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:52.360
Yeah?

1026
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:57.559
I thought this episode was really interesting. First, let me

1027
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:01.719
get let me get the kanjied away no pun intended anyways,

1028
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:07.840
the uh the situation with the phaser. I thought it

1029
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:12.079
was really weird that the Khan himself even didn't even

1030
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.559
know what that was when she fired it, because I

1031
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.039
always thought when con was on the ship for the

1032
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:23.320
entire time that he was awakened from that sleep.

1033
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:25.199
He he he.

1034
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.679
When he was on the hospital bed, he was like

1035
01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:31.400
studying the history and everything of what was going on.

1036
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:33.599
So you'd think that he would study up to the

1037
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:36.239
point of what they have in the computer banks of

1038
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:39.039
like you know, alien races should do this, and in course,

1039
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.519
why wouldn't he have known about phasiery?

1040
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:43.039
That part didn't get me.

1041
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:47.119
I was like, Okay, I can see how Ursula and

1042
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.320
everybody else was a little surprised because you know, they

1043
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:52.239
were mostly asleep and they didn't you actually.

1044
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:53.920
Get to look at the computers and everything.

1045
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.760
But then it was like, it just surprised me that

1046
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.639
Khan either forgot maybe I don't know, but it was

1047
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.800
just a little strange that he was surprised about his

1048
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:09.519
phaser and stuff. So, you know, the other thing that

1049
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:13.440
I thought was weird was when I started hearing bullets.

1050
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:16.199
I was like, that got me confused because I was like,

1051
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.199
how did they get gunns? What do you need a

1052
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:21.760
factory to like produce those type of things? And so

1053
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:26.639
I was just like, okay, So yeah, I got a

1054
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:31.039
little confused with that, And then overall it was just

1055
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:34.360
kind of like that was my thoughts of the whole situation.

1056
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:39.440
I didn't quite understand, and Slash didn't follow with the

1057
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:42.760
whole concept of what he was with the show was

1058
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:44.119
trying to describe.

1059
01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:48.039
But oh wow, But the things I did like, I

1060
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:48.880
like the fact.

1061
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:50.719
That mcgivers has the same last name as the guy

1062
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:53.440
who can just basically make anything out of dark table.

1063
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:58.159
So you know that that giant scannad they made mister mcgivers,

1064
01:05:58.159 --> 01:05:58.559
I guess said.

1065
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:02.360
But the.

1066
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.360
Fact that they were finding these creatures under the ground

1067
01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:12.679
makes sense now because we remember when Kahn first took

1068
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:17.920
the little things out of that creature put in chuck

1069
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.280
Off's ear. They were already under the ground, so it's

1070
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.920
like their natural habitat. I thought that was really cool

1071
01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:29.239
of how they described where they came from. And the

1072
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.800
other thing I gotta say is that now, since Marla

1073
01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:38.039
is pregnant, is this going to be a thing where

1074
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:43.119
Khan is going to be I mean, we already know

1075
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:47.519
that he blamed Kirk for the death of I think

1076
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:52.000
and Ratha Kahn. He mentioned his wife right as Marla

1077
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:53.679
as being his wife kind of thing.

1078
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:55.400
Is that true?

1079
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.679
And okay, so yeah, now since we find out that

1080
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.320
she's pregnant, here makes me wonder if this is what's

1081
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:07.000
going to cause Consraige to really expose and stuff and

1082
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.960
so a lot of the stuff that he is trying

1083
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:13.039
to like bottle up because of mcguiver's you know, she's

1084
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:17.400
like the conduit to keeping him calm, keeping him from

1085
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:20.159
not becoming like what we all know of him and

1086
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:22.840
the wrath Khan. So I was like, now, since if

1087
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:24.960
she we all know, she's probably gonna die one way

1088
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.039
or another. But I find it interesting how the story

1089
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.719
is bringing us to that point, and.

1090
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:33.159
That part I actually.

1091
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:37.800
I'm very interested in how this will turn out, and

1092
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:41.440
so it's interesting to see how things are coming along.

1093
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:43.360
As far as.

1094
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:50.199
The other stuff that you guys should talked about, I mean,

1095
01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.079
we all went through quite a lot with it already,

1096
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.480
and I'm trying to remember there was something else I

1097
01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:58.159
should have taken note, but there was something else that

1098
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:01.039
I was trying to make. But yeah, I guess I'm

1099
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:02.599
just gonna get my score and I think I'm gonna

1100
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:04.559
go with an eight one.

1101
01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.400
And David, if I can just come in on one

1102
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:11.360
thing you were just talking about, so there, you know,

1103
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:14.559
I think what the story that I'm reading that they're

1104
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:17.840
weaving here with the kind of ragefull con that shows

1105
01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.239
up in Star Trek two is that that con has

1106
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:26.279
been beset by a series of tragedies. And the tragedies

1107
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:32.279
kind of start with Hugo dying, right, and then the

1108
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:35.079
next guy dies, and then the next two people die,

1109
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.159
and then something else horrible is going to happen, and

1110
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:40.279
then SETI Alpha six is going to blow up, and

1111
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:42.319
you know it was I can't remember if it was

1112
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:44.520
the last episode of the one before that where he's

1113
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:47.960
like SETI Alpha five, you won't beat me. I will

1114
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:52.119
dominate you. You know that I think is the like

1115
01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:57.199
it's the it's the taking of the con character as

1116
01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:02.239
a conqueror and and you know, person involved in the

1117
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:06.399
wars and the eugenics wars, the softening of him through

1118
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.279
magivers and through this second chance that he was given

1119
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:14.880
by Kirk, and then how that all falls apart when

1120
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:17.520
all of these tragedies kind of happen. So it's this

1121
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:20.600
really amazing like character arc that kind of goes from

1122
01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:25.720
like evil dude to like really good dude because of nurture,

1123
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.439
not because of nature, right, and then nature kicks his

1124
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.680
ass and like causes him to become the con, the

1125
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:37.119
vengeful con that we see in the future. So I

1126
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:39.640
don't know, that's that's my favorite part of this is

1127
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:42.039
kind of seeing that arc of the con character.

1128
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:47.479
Yeah, and add on to that the idea that he.

1129
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:52.800
Lost all those people because wasn't it true that like

1130
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.720
all the augmentary was only like seventy of them I think, and.

1131
01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:58.960
Like seven fact or something.

1132
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:01.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, can't interbreed with each other because women

1133
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:06.039
have no age and all that. So he's losing people

1134
01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:08.479
at a rapid rate. And this is what episode four

1135
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:11.640
and how many people have already passed, so and I

1136
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:14.399
can't remember exactly how many people were actually in the

1137
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:16.039
Wrath of Cohn when he came in.

1138
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:17.920
It was like less than a dozen. I mean it

1139
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:19.000
was not a lot.

1140
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:21.680
So he's gone through a lot of tragedies.

1141
01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:24.039
Yeah, and there's more to come.

1142
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:24.800
Yeah.

1143
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.119
Paul Stong was also Paul can.

1144
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:34.520
No, I just echo what you guys said. I thought

1145
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.720
this was a really strong episode. My question is if

1146
01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:42.119
Marlon mcgivers has a child, will it be referred to

1147
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:49.880
as Larva mcgivers based on you know, Eric's analysis of

1148
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:54.520
the you know setting, heel, you know, life cycle. So

1149
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:57.680
I don't know, it's just it's it's worth considering, So.

1150
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.800
That'll be the title whatever happens on SETI Alpha.

1151
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:07.880
Alpha five. Okay, Yeah, but I like that that that

1152
01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:10.359
she's coming into her own as a character, and she's,

1153
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.199
you know, because she is from a different era, you know,

1154
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.359
because he's a twentieth century man who's out of time, right,

1155
01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.359
and and she's more of a you know, centuries evolved

1156
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.039
beyond him. And even though she was a character that

1157
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:26.119
was conceived the sixties, she's more empowered, more of a feminist,

1158
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.840
more autonomy, endowed than you know, the women that he

1159
01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:33.359
was used to and that her you know, the remaining

1160
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:36.720
augments from the twentieth century, right, So she's really more

1161
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:38.600
ahead of him. And so I think that's the thing

1162
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:41.000
that we always look for in Star Trek is characters

1163
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.600
who inspire people to be better than they are, right,

1164
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:46.880
And I think that she at this point is you know,

1165
01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:51.680
making him a better leader because she is inspiring him

1166
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:55.399
to try to be a better man. And when everything

1167
01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:59.079
goes dutch with the other planet and the tragedy we

1168
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:02.119
know is just down the corner arrives, I think he's

1169
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:09.199
not only bemoaning and mourning her. I think he's mourning

1170
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:14.119
the own potential self. He's never gonna be right, And

1171
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:16.920
I think he's kind of, you know, realizes he's, you know,

1172
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:19.920
he had a chance to really find redemption, to become

1173
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:22.760
a different kind of person, a better leader, and he

1174
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:28.000
feels that that's snatched from him. And when you when

1175
01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:30.920
something tragic happens, it's a very human reaction to try

1176
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.520
to find someone to blame. But I think that's what

1177
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:36.119
we see with khn right. It becomes a real Ahab

1178
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:40.239
figure in in rapicon, which is you know, which Nicholas

1179
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.479
Meyer built so much of those nautical and Melville motifs

1180
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:46.600
into that you know thing that he does there. I mean,

1181
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.960
he's a totally have character. He's obsessed right because of

1182
01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:52.520
something that was snatched away from him that he feels

1183
01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:56.000
was done unfairly. So it's really great writing. And I

1184
01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:59.199
like the fact that the folks who did this, jumping

1185
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.920
off of Nicholas my work really adhere to those themes

1186
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.680
right and really and their goal clearly was to deepen

1187
01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:10.439
the arcs of all of these characters. I think it's great.

1188
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:12.920
So I would fall right in line with you, gentlemen,

1189
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:16.720
give this an enthusiastic eight. I think that we have

1190
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:20.760
some really great upcoming episodes that are gonna round this

1191
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:23.800
out as the canvas becomes more and more epic and

1192
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:28.800
the stakes more Shakespearean more tragic. So yeah, great stuff.

1193
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:29.680
Really enjoying it.

1194
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Have they mentioned that they're going to be making as

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01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.920
like a season two for this or they're just only one?

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01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:40.319
I think this is yeah. I think this is one

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01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:45.800
and done because remember this grew from a this has

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01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:49.079
already grown, It's already grown beyond kind of what Nicholas

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01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:52.640
Myers originally conceived in terms of number of episodes, and

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01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:54.920
so I think they're gonna they're gonna like wrap it

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01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:56.720
all up by the end of these nine episodes.

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01:13:57.399 --> 01:13:59.920
Wow, well see what happens.

1203
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.079
Let's deal o her name. Score from the Truk Spaces.

1204
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:10.039
The overall Trek experts gave this in eight point.

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01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:18.359
One, very very respective, A lot yep anthony when you

1206
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:20.359
live long and prosper dude.

1207
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.439
First time on the podcast, awesome, a.

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01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:36.159
Young start review of Star Trek con the audio drama episode,

1209
01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:39.760
or a magical thinking which means Now I was talking

1210
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:45.760
from track birthdays, and that means the Star Trek birthday song,

1211
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:52.399
and that means the Star Trek Birthday song. There we go.

1212
01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:11.720
That was not a clemon song.

1213
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:16.960
Technically, it's not just Star Trek birthdays because we've decided

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01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:20.840
to move beyond a Star Trek birthdays. But you know

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01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:24.520
that's okay, and we always like to start off our

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01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:27.720
birthday segment. I sadly not remembering those members of our

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01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:30.560
family who are no longer with us, and for that

1218
01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:33.119
returned to Eric, take it away.

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01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:36.279
Eric, Yeah, Jim, this week we have many remembrances, but

1220
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:39.600
I promised that I have some really good tidbits about them.

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01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:43.359
So here we go first on our list this week,

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01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:47.319
as we are remembering the actress Margaret Ruth Kidder, also

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01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:50.720
known as Margo Kidder, the Canadian American actress, director, an

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01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:53.520
activist best known for her role as Lois Lane in

1225
01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:57.640
the original Superman films, including Superman two Superman Three. She

1226
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:02.119
also appeared in Amityville Horror. She also actually later appeared

1227
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:07.640
in two episodes of Smallville, so her contributions to the

1228
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:12.520
Superman franchise go beyond just the movies. She was also

1229
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:16.600
a personal favorite of mine in seventeen episodes of that

1230
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:21.119
cartoon Captain Planet and the Planeteers from the early nineties

1231
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.239
as the voice of the Earth itself, the voice of

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01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:27.239
Gaya played by Margot Kidder, So we lost her back

1233
01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:31.880
in twenty eighteen. Happy Birthday to Margo Kidder. Happy Birthday

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01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:34.680
as well to Marsha Hunt, the actress who played and

1235
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:38.680
Jamison in the TNG first season episode Too Short a Season,

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01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:41.279
and was in a number of films in the thirties

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01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:43.960
and forties and then in the fifties. Guess what she

1238
01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:47.880
got blacklisted by the McCarthy Trials, her and her husband

1239
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:49.920
along the way, so that sort of ruined her acting

1240
01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:53.159
career for a while, but then come the late fifties

1241
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:56.760
and into the eighties she kind of came out of

1242
01:16:56.840 --> 01:16:59.760
semi retirement and appeared in a number of guest roles

1243
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:04.520
along the way. Marcia Hunt is the oldest person when

1244
01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:07.479
she died, I believe is still the oldest person to

1245
01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:09.720
have ever performed in Star Treks. She died at the

1246
01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:12.600
ripe old age of one hundred and four years old

1247
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:16.680
back in twenty twenty two. So happy birthday to Marsha Hunt.

1248
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:21.800
Happy birthday to Mark Lemia, the actor who portrayed John

1249
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:27.640
Doe in the Next Generation third season episode Transfigurations. Happy

1250
01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:31.439
birthday as well to Samantha Egger, an Academy Award nominated

1251
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:35.279
British actress who portrayed Marie Picard in the TNG four

1252
01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:38.680
season episode Family. She was in the nineteen sixty five

1253
01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:41.880
film The Collector, making her one of the only only

1254
01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:45.239
six Star Trek performers nominated in the category of Best

1255
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:48.760
Actress in a Leading Role, So good for her. In

1256
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:52.199
case you're interested, The others are Gene Simmons, Louise Fletcher,

1257
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:55.239
Winona Ryder, Whoopi Goldberg, and Michelle Yoe, with Fletcher and

1258
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:59.119
Yo being the only two winners. She also won a

1259
01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:02.680
Golden Globe for this portrayal and was named Best Actress

1260
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:06.840
at the Cannes Film Festival. So very talented, very pivotal role.

1261
01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:09.880
We only lost her just a few days ago, you guys.

1262
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:14.239
She died on October fifteenth of this year at eighty

1263
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:17.239
six years old. So happy birthday and lots of love

1264
01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:20.720
and remembrances going out to the recently lost Samantha Egger.

1265
01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:25.760
Happy birthday as well to Barbara Baldavin, who was the

1266
01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.840
actress who played Angela Martin in the TS episode The

1267
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:34.319
Balance of Terror. When Baldevine was cast by her husband

1268
01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:36.960
for a second Star Trek appearance in Shore Leave, her

1269
01:18:37.039 --> 01:18:40.560
character in the script was called Mary Teller, but crew

1270
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:42.760
on the set realized that she had already played a

1271
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:45.600
major character named Angela Martin in Bounce of Terror, so

1272
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:49.479
she was called that in the dialogue for that episode. However,

1273
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:53.640
William Shatner still accidentally calls her Teller at one point,

1274
01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:57.000
So if you go back and watch Shore Leave, there's

1275
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.880
a little faux pas there where he says the wrong

1276
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:04.319
character name. Later, she played Yeoman Baker in Spaceseed, and

1277
01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:09.000
a communications officer known as Lisa in Turnabout Intruders. So

1278
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:14.479
happy birthday to Barbara Baldovin. Happy Birthday as well to

1279
01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:19.000
Lou Scheimer, one of the co founders of Filmation, a

1280
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:23.079
producer on Star Trek, the animated series. He also voiced

1281
01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:26.359
at least four characters on the series, but as a

1282
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:29.840
voice actor, he's primarily remembered for voicing the benevolent King

1283
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:35.000
Randor in the inept Magesian Magician Orco in the animated

1284
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:40.439
series He Man and the Masters of the Universe. There's

1285
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:43.800
more that I would love to say about this guy

1286
01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:47.640
if we had more time, because his list of things

1287
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:51.800
that he's been in is just gigantic. It's an absolute

1288
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.560
laundry list. But suffice to say that Filmation had a

1289
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:58.279
huge influence on the animated television industry and many of

1290
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:03.760
our childhoodhood and or teenage influences can be credited to

1291
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:07.000
this man. And there's some excellent examples here upon the

1292
01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:10.119
screen for all our patreons. So Lou Scheimer lost back

1293
01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:13.880
in twenty thirteen and eighty four years old, Happy birthday

1294
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:18.119
to him. Happy birthday to Michael Dunn, the Academy Award

1295
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:22.840
nominated Tony Award nominated American actor who portrayed Alexander in

1296
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:27.239
cos's third season episode Plato's step Children. It wasn't until

1297
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:29.359
today that I learned that at one point he was

1298
01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:32.479
actually considered by Gene Roddenberry for the part of Spock

1299
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.159
in the Cage. He was also originally considered for the

1300
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:39.760
role of Baylock in the Carbo Might Maneuver, which may

1301
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:41.640
ring a little bit more true for some people. But

1302
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:44.880
that part of court, of course, eventually went to the

1303
01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:49.239
very talented Clint Howard. So Michael Dunn, very talented actor,

1304
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.279
unfortunately only lived to be thirty eight years old. We

1305
01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:55.880
lost him back in nineteen seventy three. Happy birthday to Michael.

1306
01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:59.960
Happy birthday to Samuel Lloyd Haynes, the actor who played

1307
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:03.079
Alden in the TOS first season episode where No Man

1308
01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:06.520
Has Gone Before. He was sort of a professional guest

1309
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:08.680
star when you look at his list of things that

1310
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:11.600
he's been in. His biggest television role came on one

1311
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:15.079
hundred and thirteen episodes of the early seventies television show

1312
01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:19.600
called Room to twenty two. I've never seen it. I'm

1313
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:22.479
sure it was amazing. We lost Samuel back in nineteen

1314
01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:24.439
eighty six at the age of fifty two years old.

1315
01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:30.840
Happy birthday to Samuel Lloyd Haynes. Happy birthday to John Anderson,

1316
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:33.840
who played the role of Kevin Uxbridge in the TNG

1317
01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:39.159
third season episode The Survivors. An absolutely massive list of

1318
01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:44.439
guest star performances are credited to this man, and none

1319
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:46.720
of them are for very many episodes. But I did

1320
01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:49.760
find six episodes of mcgvory you might remember him in

1321
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:54.159
that series, eleven episodes of The Rifleman, and twelve episodes

1322
01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.479
of gun Smoke. Most of the rest of his credits

1323
01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:59.800
are like one in two episode one shots, but there's

1324
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:02.399
one hundred and fifty of them. So John Anderson, a

1325
01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:06.760
face I'm sure you all recognize, was fantastic in The Survivors.

1326
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:08.920
Happy birthday to him. We lost him all the way

1327
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:11.800
back in nineteen ninety two when he was only sixty

1328
01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:16.560
nine years old. Happy birthday as well to Lev Mayler,

1329
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:21.119
also known as Ralph Mauer, the actor and voice artists

1330
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:24.079
who played by Lar in the TOS first season episode

1331
01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:27.560
The Return of the Arkans and an acosion SS Lieutenant

1332
01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:31.840
in the second season episode Patterns of Force. One of

1333
01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:36.079
Mahler's closest friends I learned today was Mark Leonard actually,

1334
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.920
and outside of acting, he enjoyed reading about the history

1335
01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:43.319
of the Second World War. So a man of nonfiction.

1336
01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:46.640
Lev Mayler lost back in twenty twenty two at eighty

1337
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:50.119
eight years old. Happy birthday to him. Happy Birthday to

1338
01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:54.199
Julie Parrish born as Ruby Joyce will Barr, the actress

1339
01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:57.880
who played mis Piper in the TOS first season episode

1340
01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:03.039
The Menagerie Part One. Happy Birthday to Georgia Brown, the

1341
01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:06.479
actress who portrayed Helena Rojhenko in the TNG fourth and

1342
01:23:06.520 --> 01:23:10.800
fifth season episodes Family and New Ground. Brown earned a

1343
01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:14.359
BAFTA Award nomination for her role in the nineteen seventy

1344
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:17.640
one film The Raging Moon. She also earned an Emmy

1345
01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:21.039
nomination for her guest appearance as Madame Lazora in an

1346
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:27.239
episode of Cheers. Happy Birthday to Georgia Brown. Happy birthday

1347
01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:30.199
as well to James Daly, who played the immortal Flint

1348
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:35.119
in the TNG original series Sorry I Said, TNG in

1349
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:40.720
Star Trek TOS third season's episode Requiem for Methuselah. Of course,

1350
01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:44.359
James Daily is the father of actors Tim Daly and

1351
01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:48.199
Tyne Daily to other folks who are famous in their

1352
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:51.159
own right. He's probably best known for his role as

1353
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:55.199
Paul Lochner in the hospital drama Medical Center, in which

1354
01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:59.279
he played Chad Everett's supervisor on that show for quite

1355
01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:02.239
a long time. James Daily lost all the way back

1356
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:05.159
in nineteen seventy eight at fifty nine years old. Happy

1357
01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:08.319
birthday to him and last, but not least, on our

1358
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:11.800
remembrance list. This week, guys, we go to the other

1359
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.800
Star franchise and we say Happy birthday to Mss Carrie Fisher,

1360
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.199
the American actress best known for her portrayal of Princess

1361
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:23.640
Leah organa solo in the Star Wars franchise. Her other

1362
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:28.560
film credits include Shampoo, The Blues, Brothers, Hannah and Her Sisters,

1363
01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:32.439
The Burbs, When Harry Met Sally, Soap Dish, and The Woman.

1364
01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:36.600
She Actually was nominated twice for the Primetime Emmy Award

1365
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:39.640
for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series for her

1366
01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:44.239
performance in the NBC sitcom Thirty Rock and her performance

1367
01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:49.800
in Channel in Channel four series Catastrophe from twenty seventeen.

1368
01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:53.600
But aside from sort Of, the Princess Leah and some

1369
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:56.439
of the TV works she did. She wrote a pretty

1370
01:24:56.560 --> 01:25:01.520
famous semi autobiographical novel called Postcards from the Edge, which

1371
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:05.359
would eventually be turned into a screenplay for a film version,

1372
01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:09.039
and that garnered her a nomination for a BAFTA Award

1373
01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:13.319
for Best Adapted Screenplay. Of course. Carrie Fisher was the

1374
01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:18.399
daughter of singer Eddie Fisher and actress Debbie Reynolds. Carrie Fisher,

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01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:21.960
you are one who we remember every single time we

1376
01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:25.960
think of that other franchise, Star Wars, and you were

1377
01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:28.399
lost too early in twenty sixteen at the age of

1378
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:33.159
sixty years old. Happy birthday to Carrie Fisher and that folks.

1379
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:38.800
Yes, we didn't have a cash on Princess Leah when

1380
01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:41.439
you were growing up. And when we got to see

1381
01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:44.119
her in the Middle Bikini and Return of the Jedi,

1382
01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:52.039
I mean the teenage body was like, wow, she was yeah,

1383
01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:54.960
he ripley. Actually she was the first.

1384
01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:58.119
You know the scene that I always think of with

1385
01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:00.399
her and I don't know why, and I think of

1386
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:02.920
her as kind of like the power in this one.

1387
01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:05.680
But there's the scene in the original Star Wars where

1388
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:08.039
she and Luke grab on to one another and Luke

1389
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:10.640
swings across the open gap and she's the one with

1390
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.039
the blaster. I just love that scene with her because

1391
01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:16.600
they give her the gun, right and he's just kind

1392
01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.399
of like the vehicle to get her to where she

1393
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:20.920
needs to be, but she's actually the one who's in control.

1394
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:22.840
I know he's supposed to read as the hero in

1395
01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:24.600
that one, but I always kind of read that scene

1396
01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:26.880
as like, oh man, Princess Leigh is kicking ass with

1397
01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:27.880
this blaster right now.

1398
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:28.319
I love it.

1399
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:33.680
Absolutely, Alex Young to have a crash.

1400
01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:45.479
Yeah. I had a pleasure of meeting her quite a

1401
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:50.760
while ago. She was an interesting character for sure.

1402
01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:55.520
That's it, all right, Charles, Well, that is it for

1403
01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:57.840
our remembrances. So I'm going to pass this flaming birthday

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01:26:57.880 --> 01:26:58.720
candle over to you, sir.

1405
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:02.239
Oh, thank you, Eric. I just got a few to

1406
01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:05.920
get to read myself. Let's start off with a happy birthday.

1407
01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:11.920
Sabrina Sharoff, former actress who played in Mara Maine Ts'

1408
01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:18.880
third season episode The Paradise Syndrome, Heavy birthday to Daniel Stewart,

1409
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:24.560
who played Batty in TG's fifth season episode Inner Light.

1410
01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:27.520
He is a son of Patrick Stewart.

1411
01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:35.199
Happy Birthday, Daniel, Happy birthday to al Moman, Canadian born

1412
01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:41.880
actors who played Kam Grant, Mere Universe Carmen Grant and

1413
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:49.760
Control Processing Grant Reanimated Corpse and Star Trek Discovery. Happy

1414
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:55.359
birthday to Amanda a Curie actress who played Caitet Val

1415
01:27:55.640 --> 01:28:01.119
Sasha in Star Trek Discoveries four season episode All Is Possible.

1416
01:28:03.479 --> 01:28:07.479
And last on my list is Happy birthday to Kiddy Swink,

1417
01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:13.520
who played Minister Rohan in DS nine second seeson episode

1418
01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:19.199
Sanctuary and Lara Lran in seventies and episode Tracking Into

1419
01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:23.279
the Wind. Married to Deep Space nine regular armand Sherman

1420
01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:28.119
since nineteen and eighty one. Let me pass its flaming

1421
01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:32.479
candle over to Paul as I figure out who loves Harmon.

1422
01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:39.119
That's great, great stuff to know, fabulous. Okay, we're gonna

1423
01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:43.039
dep our toe over into the Star Wars universe briefly,

1424
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:47.159
and we're gonna say happy birthday to the phenomenal Felicity Jones,

1425
01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:51.399
who's done all kinds of great things. British actress of course,

1426
01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:54.520
who's you know? Promio is prominently known for playing lead

1427
01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:58.439
character jin Urso in Rogue one, a Star Wars story

1428
01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:02.119
showed up not that long ago in the big film

1429
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:05.279
The Brutalist as well. So theres lots and lots and

1430
01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:08.880
lots of work in their credits. But my goodness, Star

1431
01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:13.159
Wars is going to be Numero uno a million dinner

1432
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:18.800
so action figures later, you know. Amazing, So an indelible

1433
01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:21.880
mark and terrific performance, really really cool. So happy birthday

1434
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:25.399
for Flissenie Jones. Going outside of the realm of fiction

1435
01:29:26.119 --> 01:29:28.439
into the realm of reality for a minute here briefly,

1436
01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:32.279
someone who actually has had a foot in both universes,

1437
01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:43.359
the great doctor Pioneer May Jamison, Okay, American physician and astronaut.

1438
01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.560
Of course, history will regard me Jamison as the first

1439
01:29:47.640 --> 01:29:51.640
American African American woman who travel in space aboard the

1440
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:55.880
Space Shuttle Endeavor. And then to honor that in the

1441
01:29:55.920 --> 01:30:01.000
sixth season episode of Next Gen Second Chances, doctor Jemison

1442
01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:04.079
appeared as Lieutenant Junior Great Palmer in that episode. So

1443
01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:09.359
very cool to have been in outer space and outer

1444
01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:12.239
space in the future on Star Trek, so really really cool.

1445
01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:17.680
What a pioneer she was. Amazing achievements, so really great

1446
01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:21.720
to see science and what a role model for so

1447
01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:23.880
many young girls who were inspired to say I could

1448
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:25.479
do that, I could be an astronaut, I can go

1449
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:29.720
to space, and who might not have had the forethought

1450
01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:31.760
to do that if not for your example. So a

1451
01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:36.479
pretty amazing achievement. So a million young girls, thank you

1452
01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:38.119
for your example.

1453
01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:38.800
Doctor.

1454
01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:44.039
I'm delighted to be able to say happy birthday. Phenomenal

1455
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:49.520
Michael McKean, who should need no introduction to fans of comedy.

1456
01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:57.279
So many things that this gentleman has appeared in. Of course, actor, comedian, composer, musician, director,

1457
01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:01.119
played a very strange part in Void of a Clown

1458
01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:04.479
in the second season episode The Thaw. But this guy,

1459
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:08.199
what a luminary. He's been on just everything, right, I mean,

1460
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:11.079
so many things. You can see him way back on

1461
01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:11.960
the X Files.

1462
01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:12.399
Of course.

1463
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:16.319
To me, he's always going to be David Saint Hvens

1464
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:20.920
in This is Spinal Tap and the sequel that's rolling

1465
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:27.720
out right now. But phenomenal character, a hilarious actor, just amazing,

1466
01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:33.640
and check out his work on the Breaking Bad sequel

1467
01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:38.119
series Better call sauw Okay, I mean wow, if you

1468
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:43.079
really want to see some crazy commitment to character and

1469
01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:46.479
somebody who's just like you normally associate with being a

1470
01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:50.760
comedic actor and seeing him take turns into drama and

1471
01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:55.479
going into some pretty dark places. Phenomenal. If you've never

1472
01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:59.560
seen that show, I highly recommend it. Better call saw great,

1473
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:04.920
great stuff. Indelibly portrayed though by the great Michael McKean.

1474
01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:08.319
A big fan. I think he's just a tremendous actors.

1475
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:14.039
Happy birthday to Vanessa Marshall, voice and television actress. Oh

1476
01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:19.199
she's so good. Who voices Twilight pilot character Harrison Doula

1477
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:25.159
on the incredibly underrated animated show Star Wars Rebels. A

1478
01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:27.600
lot of people just do not know Rebels. It's like,

1479
01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:30.000
if you're a real Star Wars fan, you should be

1480
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.159
checking out this show. If you feel like they have

1481
01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:34.239
not made good Star Wars in a long long time

1482
01:32:35.119 --> 01:32:38.319
the original trilogy. Wow, should you be watching Star Wars Rebels.

1483
01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:42.439
Some of the best storytelling ever in the Star Wars universe.

1484
01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:48.239
And she's a phenomenal character. Harrison Doula is pilot leader, adventurer.

1485
01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:52.760
You know, she's just outstanding, really really great. Does conventions

1486
01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:54.720
all the time, so it's easy to meet her if

1487
01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:56.920
you want to track her down. But Vanessa Marshall is

1488
01:32:56.960 --> 01:33:00.680
a phenomenal actress. So really great and an indelible part

1489
01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:04.359
of Star Wars history. Happy Birthday goes out to Larissa Laskin,

1490
01:33:04.920 --> 01:33:08.039
actors who played Kla in Enterprise, the second season episode

1491
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:12.760
Coach Jenitor CoA Janitor. I'm going back to the old

1492
01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:15.239
school days, old school days. Somebody's gotten a lot of

1493
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:17.840
grief for this role, I'm telling you, But did I

1494
01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.000
think a great job. I'm got to put in the

1495
01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:24.159
historical context of the era. Happy Birthday to Sheila Leyton,

1496
01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:29.960
who played Luma in tos's original series third season episode

1497
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:36.000
Spock's Brain and Wow, a very maligned episode for a

1498
01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:39.399
lot of cattiness for various things. I mean, it constantly

1499
01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:43.159
gets referred to goofy ways, but pretty interesting stuff and

1500
01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:47.520
she had to do some pretty wild things with the

1501
01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:50.720
straight face and not always easy to pull off. But

1502
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:53.880
she should definitely be respected for her work and not mocked,

1503
01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:55.520
would be my take on it, because I think she

1504
01:33:55.640 --> 01:34:02.239
did an outstanding job. Finally, I am someone who is

1505
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:07.880
easily impressed by royalty. Sometimes I know I shouldn't be,

1506
01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:11.600
but I had something about the presence of a regal

1507
01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:14.880
individual sometimes will stop me in my tracks, and so

1508
01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:19.239
I would like to honor the actress who played Denaris

1509
01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:24.039
Stormborne of House Targarian, first of her name, Queen of

1510
01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:27.359
the Andals and the royin Ar and the first Man,

1511
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:31.560
Queen of Marine, Calisi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt,

1512
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:36.880
Breaker of Chains and mother of Dragons. Of course, Denaris

1513
01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:45.880
Targarian was played phenomenally by the glorious Emelia Clark. Remember

1514
01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.720
the British Empire no less so how about that English

1515
01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:51.760
actress best known for a role on Game of Thrones,

1516
01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:56.239
which we just dived into there, but she received numerous

1517
01:34:56.760 --> 01:35:01.439
Primetime Emmy Awards there also for playing Sarah connor On

1518
01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:07.359
in Terminator Genesis, one of the feature films of that franchise,

1519
01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:11.319
and also played Kira in Solo, a Star Wars story,

1520
01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:15.640
and that character has been had a really interesting subsequent

1521
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:18.199
life in Star Wars comics as well. I think there's

1522
01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:19.279
a lot of us that would love to see that

1523
01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:23.159
character come back in some form in Star Wars. I

1524
01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:25.720
think Solo is pretty maligned but a pretty good movie.

1525
01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:29.359
It's a lot of bad rap, But Amelia Clark's a

1526
01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:30.119
rock star.

1527
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:31.359
I mean, she really is.

1528
01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:33.560
I mean a lot of people took issues with the

1529
01:35:34.279 --> 01:35:39.239
direction that wrapped up Game of Thrones. Her work is templary.

1530
01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:41.439
I mean, she just was phenomenal and had to do

1531
01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:44.920
a lot of hard stuff and go to some rough places,

1532
01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:47.800
and I just think she just is. It's a performance

1533
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:51.279
and a character for the ages. I think she did remarkable,

1534
01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:56.720
remarkable work. So Amelia Clark, we salute you, fellow Scorpio,

1535
01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:00.840
and thank you for your work. And I'm really excited

1536
01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:04.479
to see more you got. We're ready, I mean you

1537
01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:07.560
are like a convention legend already, and wait to see

1538
01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:09.359
what you do next. Because he's got a lot of talent.

1539
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:11.359
That's what I've got on my list here, and I'd

1540
01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:16.560
like to defer things and pass the birthday platter over

1541
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:17.960
to uncle Jim.

1542
01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:22.159
Well. I thank you so much, Paul. I don't know

1543
01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:26.279
if I can match up to all these awesome actors.

1544
01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:29.119
I have only have two on my list. I like

1545
01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:31.920
to do the Klingons. So the first one I want

1546
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:35.920
to say is happy birthday to Sam Whitworth. He played

1547
01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:39.319
a zen Day Arboreal in Star Trek Enterprise third season

1548
01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:43.319
episode The ship Man, but I'm gonna remember him there.

1549
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.520
He is on the screen as playing Melr in Lower

1550
01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:51.680
Decks fifth season episode of Farewell to farms and tying

1551
01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:54.680
into our Star Wars theme which seems to be going tonight.

1552
01:36:55.079 --> 01:36:57.800
He also voiced Darth Maul and the Star Wars Clone

1553
01:36:57.800 --> 01:37:01.520
Wars and in the Star Wars Clone Wars movie, which

1554
01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:08.720
is pretty cool. And we reviewed Unification eight five eight

1555
01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:12.800
three eight whatever that was. He was the Captain Kirk.

1556
01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:15.880
The younger version of Captain Kirk that we see in

1557
01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:21.840
Unification was also Sam Whitweer, So Happy birthday, Sam wentwork.

1558
01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:25.279
We love your work, and I hope we see Mala again.

1559
01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:28.520
I thought he was a great great Clanion car. He

1560
01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:31.640
wasn't your typical claimon if you guys remember uh he

1561
01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:35.279
worked on the blood wine farm and his brother wanted

1562
01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:37.520
glory in war and he just wanted to make blood

1563
01:37:37.560 --> 01:37:40.560
wine and eat tube worms. So you know, I like

1564
01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:43.640
him and he played a great character. Happy birthday is same, Wentworth?

1565
01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:47.479
All right? The next one, I've got a great Scott

1566
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:51.479
Is he an incredible actor? What hasn't he done? We

1567
01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:55.359
want to say happy birthday and kaplat to the first

1568
01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:59.079
Klaion that we really get to see on screen, Christopher Lloyd.

1569
01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:00.880
And there he is, and see in the picture of

1570
01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:04.800
all the great characters that he's played. He's the American

1571
01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:08.479
veteran actor, voice actor, and comedian who played the role

1572
01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:12.279
of Commander Krug in Star Trek three The Search for

1573
01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:18.840
Spot of course, Doc Brown, you know Adam Fester and

1574
01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:24.479
the Adam's family. You know he's been on taxi. I mean,

1575
01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:27.760
what hasn't Christopher Lloyd been in? I mean everything that

1576
01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:31.279
he touches, his gold, he's we're lucky to have him

1577
01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:35.520
in the Star Trek family. So kapla and happy birthday

1578
01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:41.159
through Christopher Lloyd and not exactly a klingon on my list,

1579
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:47.560
but he is a co host on our show. And

1580
01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:50.199
I don't have my I gotta get my weird al

1581
01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:53.760
birthday song back again, which I don't have. But we

1582
01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:57.000
do want to wish a happy happy birthday to our

1583
01:38:57.159 --> 01:39:04.479
very own Paul, the whole yad. So I don't have it,

1584
01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:07.800
so I'm gonna have to say happy birthday, Paul.

1585
01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:21.279
Oh thanks well, Fay, heavy birthday, heavy birth.

1586
01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:32.199
Oh thanks dude, appreciate it. I appreciate it. Friends, thank

1587
01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:35.920
you so much. Gonna gonna wak some havoc tomorrow for sure.

1588
01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:38.399
For sure. Hey, you know, I wanted to mention one

1589
01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:42.119
thing really quick about Sam witwore for folks who you

1590
01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:46.239
were talking about his work as Darth Maul this next

1591
01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:49.279
year in twenty twenty six, Right, there is a new

1592
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:53.640
animated series coming that his features Sam Witwer exclusively. It's

1593
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:56.840
called Darth Maul's Shadow Lord. Okay, it's going to be

1594
01:39:56.880 --> 01:40:00.520
a big part of the Star Wars rollout for next

1595
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:03.880
year on the Disney Plus channel. But he is redoing

1596
01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:06.279
the role of Mal a whole new series of stories.

1597
01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:10.399
So super exciting news for Sam whit Whitber fans did

1598
01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:14.319
not want to omit that he's just terrific guy at

1599
01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:18.199
conventions to really really nice tall but yeah, real, real

1600
01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:22.039
talented chaps. So a lot of cool people who are scorpios, right,

1601
01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:24.520
I mean it's you know, I don't like to, you know,

1602
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:27.399
take credit for anything, but but it's fun to be

1603
01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:27.920
among them.

1604
01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:30.800
And then there's you too, and then it's me.

1605
01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:34.119
Right, you know, you know he.

1606
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:36.720
In the Deck of Emory Cards.

1607
01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:42.119
Right, of course, he was on that show about the werewolf,

1608
01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:44.800
the vampire and the ghosts that lived together in a

1609
01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:53.640
house together almost in a baby. Yeah.

1610
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:56.159
I think whatever that show was, I missed it. Yeah,

1611
01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:57.479
I don't know that one.

1612
01:40:57.680 --> 01:41:00.079
So, yeah, you'd have to look them up. But I

1613
01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:03.520
went to a convention and all three of them where

1614
01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:05.840
the Ghost of Vampire and the Werewolf. He played the

1615
01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:09.720
vampire and he was really cool. This was like pre

1616
01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:13.680
Star Wars, pre everything, and he was he was really cool.

1617
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:15.119
I had a chance to meet him and he was

1618
01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:17.439
an awesome guy, a lot of fun to talk to,

1619
01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:23.399
very interesting guy. So he was neat. Yeah, so Darth

1620
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:25.840
Maul got you know, I think I'd love to see

1621
01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:27.960
more of Darth Maul. I thought he was a very

1622
01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:31.880
poorly used character, and I'd like to see more of them,

1623
01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:35.199
the full the full version, not the cut and half

1624
01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:38.760
version on Spider Legs that we see later. But at

1625
01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:48.079
any rate, all right, yes, yes, I've seen.

1626
01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:50.239
There's a lot of Darth Maul and Rebels. I mean

1627
01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:54.119
they really moved beyond the Spider Legs into like reinvigorating

1628
01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:54.520
the whole.

1629
01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:59.640
Character again in the seventh seasion of the Clone Wars two,

1630
01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:05.359
which I thought was really interesting combination of what happened

1631
01:42:05.399 --> 01:42:08.840
with the Clone Troopers turning into Shown Troopers and it's

1632
01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:12.920
just like, yeah, Order six or six thing we're trying

1633
01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:14.000
to take form.

1634
01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:18.039
And show Phone Wars wrapped up beautifully it's so good.

1635
01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:23.239
Yeah, all right, so guys, that wraps up our starts.

1636
01:42:23.479 --> 01:42:28.159
Birthdays are sci fi birthdays. I apologize we went beyond

1637
01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:30.960
this week, but that's okay, and now it's time for

1638
01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:32.720
the starts. Right news.

1639
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1640
01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:44.680
Incoming transmission enter authorization code, Command codes verified.

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Define parameters of program level nine.

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Authorization required, specifying parameters.

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Transfer updata is complete.

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A blank alert, A blank alert.

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01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:02.560
Guys, we like to start off our star Tuk moves

1646
01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:06.680
if we can where the shutner says what, but unfortunately

1647
01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:11.520
Shannon hasn't been saying. So we're gonna move on and

1648
01:43:11.720 --> 01:43:14.359
we're going to start us off with some Starfreld Academy news.

1649
01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:15.159
Take it away there.

1650
01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:19.000
Yeah, I'm excited to mix it up a little bit

1651
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:23.199
because I think we're all pretty excited about Starfleet Academy,

1652
01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:26.399
which of course is going to be premiering January fifteenth,

1653
01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:30.840
twenty twenty six, with only well only with two episodes

1654
01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:32.760
right off the bat, which I know some folks don't

1655
01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:35.000
like the kind of one two punch, but I don't

1656
01:43:35.079 --> 01:43:38.079
mind it at all. The good thing is that we've

1657
01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:41.520
already gotten news that Starfleet Academy will return for a

1658
01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:45.199
season two. Of course, the first season may still be

1659
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:48.359
months away, but already we know that's not all we're

1660
01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:51.199
going to get from the series. The cast is led

1661
01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:56.479
by Holly Hunter Stars in My Eyes as Nala Ake,

1662
01:43:57.079 --> 01:44:01.640
the Chancellor of Starfleet Academy and captain of the USS Athena.

1663
01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:06.279
She's also a long lived half Blanthonite, and so we

1664
01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:09.039
have supposed there may be a Pellia connection here. I

1665
01:44:09.079 --> 01:44:13.039
guess we'll find out. Playing the Starfleet Academy cadets are

1666
01:44:13.399 --> 01:44:17.239
Sandro Rosta as Caleb Mehr, an orphan with a troubled

1667
01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:23.000
past and unlikely Starfleet Canada cadet. We also have Kareem

1668
01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:28.039
Diane as j Den Craig, a Klingon cadet who dreams

1669
01:44:28.079 --> 01:44:33.600
of becoming a medical officer. Paris Brooks as series acclamation

1670
01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:37.159
Mill aka Sam, the first of her kind to ever

1671
01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:44.520
attend Starfleet Academy. Spoiler alert, she's a hologram. George Hawkins

1672
01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:48.760
as Darren Raymie, an aspiring captain from a wealthy homeworld.

1673
01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:54.159
Bella Shepherd as Genesis Live and Admiral's daughter determined to

1674
01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:59.439
make her own name in Starfleet. Zoe Steiner as timas Sadal,

1675
01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:02.960
a azoid and daughter of the president of Beta Zed.

1676
01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:08.439
Reprising their roles in previous Star Trek series are Robert

1677
01:45:08.479 --> 01:45:13.039
Picardo as the Doctor, Tig Nataro as jet Reno, and

1678
01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:19.359
Odeed Fair as the Silver Fox. Admiral Vance. Gina Yaescher

1679
01:45:19.520 --> 01:45:25.560
recurs as a commander named Laura Thock, a Klingon Gemhadar

1680
01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:29.000
hybrid who is the Chancellor's first officer and cadet master.

1681
01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:38.079
Also recurring is Tatiana Masslani Mausslani. Yes, but of course

1682
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:41.359
one of the book If there were two bookends, sort

1683
01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:44.640
of of the stardom of this show, one end would

1684
01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:47.159
be Holly Hunter, and I believe the other end would

1685
01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:51.399
be mister Paul Giamatti, who recurs as a part Klingon

1686
01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:57.239
part telewrite named Noose Braca, season one's villain with an

1687
01:45:57.279 --> 01:46:01.199
ominous past connected to one of our cadets. The series

1688
01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:03.920
follows a young group of cadets who come together to

1689
01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:07.479
pursue a common dream of hope and optimism according to

1690
01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:11.520
Paramount Plus. Under the watchful and demanding eyes of their instructors,

1691
01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:14.640
they discover what it takes to become Starfleet officers. As

1692
01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:20.960
they navigate blossoming friendships, explosive rivalries, first loves, and a

1693
01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:25.720
new enemy Paul Giamati that threatens both the Academy and

1694
01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:32.520
the Federation itself. Woo super excited about this one. Of course,

1695
01:46:32.560 --> 01:46:34.880
we've got a couple other we you know, we didn't

1696
01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:36.880
mention Mary Wiseman. She's going to be in at least

1697
01:46:36.920 --> 01:46:40.800
one episode that we know of, but set in the

1698
01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:46.239
thirty second century, this is kind of going beyond season

1699
01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:50.359
four of Star Trek Discovery. And regardless of what anybody

1700
01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:52.319
else on the Internet has to say about it, I

1701
01:46:52.439 --> 01:46:56.199
am super excited about this series. Super excited to see

1702
01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:58.600
Holly Hunter. I'm sorry, but the trailers that we've seen

1703
01:46:58.720 --> 01:47:02.399
so far, she is just nailing it, like from left

1704
01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:04.920
to right. I love it, and I love that thirty

1705
01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:08.199
second century aesthetic as well. So very excited to see

1706
01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:08.640
this show.

1707
01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:15.760
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it myself for sure. Okay,

1708
01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:20.439
so I've got our next story. And speaking of Mary Wiseman,

1709
01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:23.880
Mary Wiseman's Tilly will be in Star Trek Starfleet Academy,

1710
01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:28.000
but not as much as we had expected. The upcoming

1711
01:47:28.039 --> 01:47:31.600
show Starfleet Starfleet Academy was first officially announced in March

1712
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:34.439
of twenty twenty three. Just over a year later, the

1713
01:47:34.479 --> 01:47:39.039
announcement came in that Discoveries, Mary Wiseman, Silvia Tilly taking

1714
01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:42.000
the Taro Jet Reno, and ODIs Fair adamal Vance would

1715
01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:45.439
be appearing in the new series. Since then, we've seen

1716
01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:49.520
the Taro and there in photos, the trailer and press materials,

1717
01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:55.000
but nothing about Mary Wiseman. But we have some news.

1718
01:47:56.640 --> 01:47:59.640
There have been character profiles of the Cadets, plus details

1719
01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:02.560
on the other characters, including recarring Coach stars like Paul

1720
01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:10.159
Giamane and Tadianas Laney and Gina you Schaer, and even

1721
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:12.640
the news that the show was renewed for a second season,

1722
01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:15.239
which Eric has talked about, which is currently in production.

1723
01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:19.279
But no Mary Wiseman. That seemed odd, as Wiseman's Tilly

1724
01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:21.920
was a natural fit for the series. Her character had

1725
01:48:21.920 --> 01:48:25.239
already been established in Starfleet Discovery as an instructor for

1726
01:48:25.359 --> 01:48:28.760
the space based Academy before it reopened on Earth to

1727
01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:32.000
kick off the new series. Even before the Academy was

1728
01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:36.279
officially announced but heavily rumored, Wiseman's Tilly was seen as

1729
01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:41.000
an obvious crossover character. Matt Minovich, a respective veteran TV

1730
01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:45.199
industry and entertainment reporter known for breaking news reported that

1731
01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:48.800
you can rest assured that Wiseman will appear on Starfleet

1732
01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:53.439
Academy as a guest star in one episode. While it's

1733
01:48:53.479 --> 01:48:56.760
good news that Wyson will show up, it's disappointing she'll

1734
01:48:56.840 --> 01:49:00.239
only be in one episode. It's likely she'll be in

1735
01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:04.720
their premiere to kick things off. That is sad news

1736
01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:09.239
because I loved Tilly and I thought I thought they

1737
01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:13.600
set it all up with her. In fact, I haven't

1738
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:16.760
watched Discovery in a while, but I believe in the

1739
01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:21.279
final episode, when Tilly says goodbye to Michael Burnham, didn't

1740
01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:23.880
she drop a line that Tilly had been teaching at

1741
01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:27.640
the Academy for twenty years. She was the longest tenured

1742
01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:32.000
Academy instructor at that point. So it's odd that she

1743
01:49:32.039 --> 01:49:35.359
would only be in one episode. And they did set

1744
01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:38.760
her up with a class in an episode of Discovery

1745
01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:41.680
which we just saw a birthday for one of those cadets.

1746
01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:45.720
So I don't know. I don't know why she's only

1747
01:49:45.800 --> 01:49:48.079
going to be in one episode. I'll take it Tilly

1748
01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:50.760
anyway I can get her, But it's just sad that

1749
01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:52.840
she's only going to be in one episode.

1750
01:49:52.920 --> 01:49:57.960
But yeah, I hate to like go on pure conjecture,

1751
01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:02.880
but it seems like something's going on in Mary Wiseman's life,

1752
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.800
and I'm guessing that there are personal reasons that she's

1753
01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:10.319
not in more of this season. It absolutely was set

1754
01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:13.399
up to be her as a central character to this

1755
01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:15.079
and now all of a sudden, it's not there anymore.

1756
01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:18.359
So either she got another role somewhere, or she's got

1757
01:50:18.439 --> 01:50:21.119
health issues, or she's got something else going on. We

1758
01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:24.000
don't know what it is, but I suspect that there's

1759
01:50:24.039 --> 01:50:27.319
some other reason that Mary Wiseman's not in more episodes,

1760
01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:29.439
and it's not just that they didn't plan to have

1761
01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:32.239
her there originally. It'd be great to get her on

1762
01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:35.000
the podcast to talk about it one day, but clearly

1763
01:50:35.079 --> 01:50:37.000
there's nothing on the internet about it right now, so

1764
01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:40.279
whatever it is, nobody's ready to talk about it.

1765
01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.199
Well, we did talk to her ex husband and he

1766
01:50:43.399 --> 01:50:44.079
was really cool.

1767
01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:47.960
So he was really cool. He was also very guarded

1768
01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:49.000
about talking about her.

1769
01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:56.520
Yeah, that's for sure, but maybe season two. Maybe season two.

1770
01:50:57.800 --> 01:51:01.119
All right, Paul, Paul, you have our finals story. I'm

1771
01:51:01.199 --> 01:51:03.640
sorry it wasn't a toy story, but it was as

1772
01:51:03.680 --> 01:51:04.600
close as I could get.

1773
01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:07.399
It's master replicas. It's fine, It's fine.

1774
01:51:08.039 --> 01:51:08.199
You know.

1775
01:51:08.319 --> 01:51:11.079
Also to guys, it's a lot of characters on this

1776
01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:16.239
news Starfleet Academy, right. I mean you've already got like

1777
01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:19.479
the Doctor on there, and you've got Jet Reno, and

1778
01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:23.000
you know you've already got like two recurring characters from

1779
01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:26.159
another show. I think that, you know, My guess is

1780
01:51:26.239 --> 01:51:29.079
it's it's it's the it's the calculus of like how

1781
01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:30.560
many characters do we have on here?

1782
01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:31.720
Right?

1783
01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:35.439
And and also I think like she's just had a rough,

1784
01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:39.840
rough road to hoe on social media. Mary Wiseman has right.

1785
01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:41.520
I mean, it's just I think that there's a lot

1786
01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:46.000
of nervousness about perpetuating that character from the producer's point

1787
01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:47.800
of view, right, I mean a lot of people love her,

1788
01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:50.720
We love her on the show, but man, not everybody does.

1789
01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:53.119
And I think that they are so nervous and and

1790
01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:57.720
reactive in terms of these days. It's like if you

1791
01:51:57.920 --> 01:52:01.479
were getting a bad word on so media, that reactiveness

1792
01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:03.720
can really change things. So we don't know it's the

1793
01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:06.800
whole picture, but I think it's complicated, but a lot

1794
01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:09.520
of new characters to juggle time for it, right. I mean,

1795
01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:12.760
that's a big list that Ericter Shredda right, and Jim

1796
01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:14.520
Matti and Holly Hunter are going to get as much

1797
01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:16.840
FaceTime as I can't hopefully, But I don't see how

1798
01:52:16.880 --> 01:52:20.600
you have room for half the Test of Discovery to

1799
01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:22.960
come over and whatnot. And maybe she could just leave

1800
01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:25.039
the door open, like she can be a way on

1801
01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:27.600
some away mission and she comes back in a more

1802
01:52:27.680 --> 01:52:31.319
interesting role and some you know, seasons when a little

1803
01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:34.119
bit more distances, so it's always a way, you know,

1804
01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:38.680
we'll see what happens. But I think it's good that

1805
01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:41.960
they're you know, putting some focus on marketing towards you know,

1806
01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:44.600
the new the new characters, which I think is hopefully

1807
01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:46.840
we'll go over it could be a whole show talking

1808
01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:51.399
about and reactions to the most recent I've been kind

1809
01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:56.600
of amazed some of the family do it again.

1810
01:52:57.079 --> 01:52:57.880
We can talk about that.

1811
01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:01.159
In the meantime, we do have some news from our

1812
01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:05.840
good pals at Master Replicas. Hello, Ben Robinson, Bud because

1813
01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:09.079
Master Replica's decloaks new Star Trek Deep Space nine USS

1814
01:53:09.159 --> 01:53:13.600
Defiant dedication plaque replicas. Because these cats have been making

1815
01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:16.159
these for a while and they're pretty sweet. The Team

1816
01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:18.600
of Master Replicas is continuing to expand their line of

1817
01:53:18.680 --> 01:53:21.520
full size Starship dedication plaques you know, like the kind

1818
01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:22.800
you see on the wall when you step out of

1819
01:53:22.840 --> 01:53:27.600
the turbot lift, really really cool, and announcing this week

1820
01:53:27.640 --> 01:53:29.359
that their next release will be straight from the bridge

1821
01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:33.119
of Captain Cisco's Tough Meddleship. The dedication plaque from Star

1822
01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:37.159
Trek Deep Space nine's Fierce Uss Defiant is the third

1823
01:53:37.319 --> 01:53:39.479
in a line of full size replicas, following plats for

1824
01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:44.840
Captain Kirk's Enterprise Captain Janeway's Voyager earlier this year. The

1825
01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:47.520
new Defiant plaque is true to size of the original

1826
01:53:47.680 --> 01:53:51.079
set used prop fourteen inches by ten and a half inches,

1827
01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:54.239
and it's based upon original art instructions from Trek legend

1828
01:53:54.600 --> 01:53:56.960
Mike Okuda, who I'd love to get on the show.

1829
01:53:57.520 --> 01:54:00.279
This is a full size poly Resident replica fourteen inches

1830
01:54:00.279 --> 01:54:02.479
wide by ten point five inches tall. As we just

1831
01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:05.479
said so here we are repeating ourselves to the dedication

1832
01:54:05.600 --> 01:54:07.199
blaque for the US is Defiant on the bridge of

1833
01:54:07.199 --> 01:54:08.960
the ship, just in the right of turvile lift doors. Wow,

1834
01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:12.760
it's like we already just say, amazing. The original blaque

1835
01:54:12.840 --> 01:54:16.680
was designed by Star Trek scenic artists Michael Kuda. I'm

1836
01:54:16.760 --> 01:54:19.640
feeling a sense of deja vous in the reading of

1837
01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:24.720
this stuff here who subplot instructurally gave the pros who

1838
01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:26.920
used them to create this version, which is designed to

1839
01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:31.439
be hung on a wall that should come to now someprise,

1840
01:54:32.039 --> 01:54:33.680
or if you're in the vacuum of space, just let

1841
01:54:33.760 --> 01:54:36.920
it float around whatever's most convenient. But this is the

1842
01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.359
first time a full sized version of this has been available,

1843
01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:42.720
making it so collectible. The Black codverirms that Defiant was

1844
01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:44.720
the first starship in its class and was launched from

1845
01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:49.119
the Antari Shipyards on Start eight forty seven fifty three

1846
01:54:49.119 --> 01:54:51.920
to eight point five. As an in joke, the names

1847
01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:53.439
of the people who worked on the ship are actually

1848
01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:56.119
members of the crew that made Star Trek Deep Space nine.

1849
01:54:56.199 --> 01:55:03.560
Oh Clever Clever Rascals. Like the Enterprise and Voyager plaques before,

1850
01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:06.039
the Defiant plaque is expected to ship before the end

1851
01:55:06.079 --> 01:55:08.720
of the year. It is available for pre order at

1852
01:55:08.800 --> 01:55:12.479
the Master Replica's website now for the low price of

1853
01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:17.520
thirty four to ninety nine pounds now for you Yanks

1854
01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:21.560
and translate into dollary dues. That's forty eight dollars, So

1855
01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:25.119
a steal from master replicas there, which well you can

1856
01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:27.920
put at the at the door of your collector's room

1857
01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:30.840
as people come in and feast their eyes on your

1858
01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:35.600
many things. If you're a defiant fan, what better ridiculously

1859
01:55:35.720 --> 01:55:38.920
cool greeting can you have for people who enter your

1860
01:55:39.039 --> 01:55:42.319
special inner sanctum. So that is something we would definitely

1861
01:55:42.760 --> 01:55:48.399
highly recondise endorse. When you recommend to endorse something, it's

1862
01:55:48.439 --> 01:55:53.399
called recondising, as we just discovered himself. There you are, heady, Yeah,

1863
01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:58.159
Well that's our news for this particular episode of Track Talking.

1864
01:55:58.680 --> 01:56:01.680
And to close us out, I'll turn things over to

1865
01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:05.560
the helmsman, Captain tiberlelift maintenance engineer.

1866
01:56:05.239 --> 01:56:09.479
And all of the above, Uncle Jim, Why, thank you

1867
01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:12.039
so much, Paul. I do have something I want to

1868
01:56:12.079 --> 01:56:16.239
show you guys. Can you guys see this here? Yeah,

1869
01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:22.439
Star Trek Voyager right here the comic book is this

1870
01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:25.479
is issue number one and I picked it up at

1871
01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:28.119
a local comic book shop here and I want to

1872
01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:30.399
give it to you. That's right. I want to give

1873
01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:32.880
it to you in honor of Paul's birthday. See that

1874
01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:36.479
right there, In honor of Paul's birthday, I want to

1875
01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:41.520
give you a gift from Paul to you. But there's

1876
01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:44.359
a catch. There is a catch. You have to go

1877
01:56:44.439 --> 01:56:47.359
over to trek talkin dot com. You have to click

1878
01:56:47.439 --> 01:56:49.760
on the little green talkback Mike at the bottom of

1879
01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:52.560
your hand corner, and you have to tell me why

1880
01:56:53.319 --> 01:56:55.800
you want this comic book right here? Why should I

1881
01:56:55.920 --> 01:56:58.920
send it to you? Maybe you want to record a

1882
01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:02.000
happy Birthday reading to Paul's since it's in honor of

1883
01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:07.119
Paul's birthday. Be creative, make it fun, and uh the

1884
01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:09.840
best recording will win. So please head over to trek

1885
01:57:09.920 --> 01:57:13.079
Talking dot com, click the little Green talk pack Mike,

1886
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tell me why you want this comic book right here

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in honor Paul's birthday, and we'll get that out to you.

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All right, guys, Yes, as long as just coffee and

1889
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the nebula, you're safe. So next week we're going to

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be talking about con the audio drama episode five. I

1891
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don't know the title. I should have looked it up,

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but we'll be talking about episode five. We will have

1893
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more Star Stark news, we'll have more sci fi birthdays,

1894
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we'll have more fan reactions, and v will be back

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with us as well. So that's our show for the night, Ailien.

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Frequencies are closed, everybody, I'm your most excellent host, Uncle

1897
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Jim saying, please stay, stay and the good to each other.

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Ailing frequencies are clothed. Good Night, everybody, good night not.

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Y'all live long and prosper and prosper well stations.

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I'm ready for departure, sir.

1901
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Some problem, right, I'm just hoping this isn't the usual

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way of missions will.

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Go, sir.

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Oh, no, number what.

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I'm sure most will be much more interesting.

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Let's see what's out there.

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Engage that was fun.

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I have