WWE Night Of Champions In Danger? Cena Pipebomb, AEW Grand Slam

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I reach you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: episode three eighty seven of top of nation Ryan Drossie Jesse Velasquez with no shortage of topics to discuss with all of you here this Sunday morning June twenty second two thousand and twenty five Jesse how are you doing this morning no shortage of heat either I had to turn off my AC about ten minutes ago it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: going immediately on as soon as we are off this air because yes summer is officially started if you didn't know and I'm sure you're experiencing the same thing we are.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah it is like a hundred and three hundred and four degrees feels like outside here on the upper Midwest it's been it's been brutal last couple of days and as our our other counterpart Justin joint told us this morning he has to mow the lawn in this heat my god just it

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[SPEAKER_05]: Justin, that's in practice.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not gonna be fun.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, Justin had some family stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He couldn't join us.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But later, he's going to be mowing a lot in this heat dome, apparently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get that man a bucket hat, like a wet suit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hose him down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully his two kids just take water guns and just shoot him the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how else you're gonna stay cool in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And probably listening to this show as he is mowing a lot as well.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Probably, so hello Justin, hope you're doing alright.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe Justin will have to grade your sweating, Jesse with your AC after.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Justin loves, loves to grade sweaters here in pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_05]: My god, there's so much to talk about today.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously people know about what happened.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yesterday in the Middle East and how that is going to be impacting possibly WWE's plans for this weekend or maybe not we're going to discuss so as we get going here you can let us know your thoughts in the chat room should WWE cancel night of champions will WWE.

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[SPEAKER_05]: cancel night of champions.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, so we're going to hit A, W, we're going to hit W, but I think right away what we need to talk about Jesse is

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[SPEAKER_05]: The lay of the land in the Middle East because, yes, we saw last night, the US made a strike.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it was last night, US time early morning in Iran, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But the US made a strike on three nuclear sites in Iran where the United States government believes that they have been working.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Some in the United States government believe that maybe they've been working to develop a

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[SPEAKER_05]: a nuclear weapon, although other elements of the Trump administration have told the president that they are not working on a nuclear weapon, but the president appears to be getting information from outside of the United States national security apparatus because all reporting is that they all told them

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[SPEAKER_05]: that this is not happening, but he believes it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_05]: One thing we do know, I don't want to get too much in the weeds with the details of government and politics.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to try to stay as neutral as possible as I can on this, although longtime listeners of the show probably know where I stand on this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The United States previously had a deal, a nuclear deal with Iran, which pretty much ground it their nuclear program.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That was made in two thousand and fifteen took years to put together.

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[SPEAKER_05]: and during the first Trump presidency he came in and he ripped up that nuclear deal.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll leave that to your own interpretation.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Immediately after that their nuclear capabilities and production ramped way up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so the nuclear deal had been working if you look at nuclear activity in Iran and ever since that deal was ripped up, it's gone up a huge amount.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so basically where we're at now is the fear that Iran is

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[SPEAKER_05]: is making a nuclear weapon and that the United States felt or the president felt that they needed to strike before they had an operational nuclear weapon.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, if you're of the age that we are, we've heard this before back at the start of the Iraq war.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And what we found in that war was they never had a nuclear weapon Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what's obviously nobody knows right now, but what I do know is the United States made a strike on a country that had not attacked the United States

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[SPEAKER_05]: And obviously now, they have responded by saying that United States bases are targets throughout the Middle East.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And there's a lot of American bases in the Middle East.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know some people that are there right now, in fact, stationed over there, which you know, thinking about them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If you're the WWE, and you have a show in Saudi Arabia, which is very close to Iran,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Are you sending your crew over there?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Seven days after the United States government attacked Iran?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it seems like a risky proposition.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We know they get paid and awful lot of money to do these shows.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But when the state government of Iran is saying that, you know, Americans are targets over there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Do I think that they're going to attack Saudi Arabia?

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I do not.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But there are lots of terrorist organizations that align with Iran.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Could they potentially strike a soft target as possible?

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[SPEAKER_05]: You would hope security would be ramped up to actually attack the Saudi Arabian government like like Iran itself attacking Saudi Arabia does not seem like it would happen right now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Although

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[SPEAKER_05]: The world's crazy when these wars start, if it gets bigger than it already is, like Iran and Israel are war right now, have been for just under two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_05]: These wars get big.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The dominoes start falling and the entire, like, could it happen that things get out of control while the WWE crew is there and all of the Middle East goes to war and then all of a sudden Saudi Arabia is thrust into the war with our people over there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That could happen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's the biggest danger, you know, perhaps.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I've been talking for a little while, Jesse, your thoughts on what's happening and what you think WWE should do and what you think they will do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the United States history teacher in New, and I truly appreciate the crash course on what's going on with the Ironian nuclear system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you had any semblance of a brain slash common sense, you would not send any of your workers over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would especially your CO.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's, yeah, there's just way too much to risk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in terms of semblance of a brain and common sense, we have seen

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[SPEAKER_00]: especially in two thousand in twenty five that the W. W. E. As a whole, lean towards the political, see exact same political landscape that just dropped these bombs on Iranian nuclear plants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they are not going to cancel this show in my humble opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you stated, they probably won't go invade Saudi Arabia, but you don't want to take that risk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's just, it's as a nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You, you don't want to put any lives in dangers, but with this current situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I mean, I'm being a little bit redundant here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just don't think they care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They see a lot of green in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Their relationship with the higher ups, with the Saudi Arabian government and the king and whatever, whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To them, it's way more important to bottom dollar-wise than the infrastructure of the people there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I would.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I would be stunned if they told the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we've all been waiting for news updates.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just don't think it's worth the risk.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why you'd send your crew have what we know there's been issues over there before.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, with what happened on that flight and when they were held on the tarmac all, you know, for hours and hours and they downplayed that after the fact, I know people that were working there at the time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That was a scary situation.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was, W to be corporate tried to downplay it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was not a good situation.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, something like that could happen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Again, I don't, I don't know why you would even risk it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You can move the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I see Ryan Huffman in the chat here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Night of Champions would be moved to the LA Memorial Sports area.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, they moved WrestleMania seven, Jesse, because of the threat of in Los Angeles was going to be attacked right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I was slow ticket sales, but that was the corporate speak at the time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Certainly, this is an actual danger situation, but a lot of dollars are at play for WWE, which is why they run these shows.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And look, you can go back in the top of the nation archives.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Go back to when they announced this agreement with the Saudis in two thousand and eighteen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not unlike a lot of the other wrestling podcasters and wrestling medium members out there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We've been against it from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Just like a lot of people because of the sketchy history in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_05]: with, you know, murdering journalists and all of this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, with there's people that are wrestling on the show that at one point time, Jesse, we're against WWE working with Saudi Arabia and boy, those, those objections have gone silent of late and we'll be talking about him here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll interrupt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually going to say if the balls hadn't been taken off of a certain performer by T.K.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think that said, member would be a little more outspoken on this scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unlike those who actually care and wear t-shirts in support of it on television, we love you, Brody King.

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[SPEAKER_05]: purchase that T-shirt, the Brody King selling to race funds already.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know Justin, it's not that to us in our group chat yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Brody King is a good dude.

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[SPEAKER_05]: John Hope, chime in and no worker should be put in danger for their workplace unless you've signed up for that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, and certainly WWE personnel have signed up for that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Carl, home back to Vince threatening a senior royal family member when all that chaos happened before over there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we'll see if there's any updates.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They certainly could move the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, for God's sake, they moved WrestleMania to the performance center when COVID struck.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They don't have to run this show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this brings up a bigger point too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we got the King and Queen of the Ring tournament and all that happening over there, but they're also Jesse running one of their most marquee matches.

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[SPEAKER_05]: A guy that we alluded to here just a second ago that they could run right now in this era.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They got summer slam right there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But instead of doing punk scene at summer slam, they were running it in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And they're doing all of this inside baseball.

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[SPEAKER_05]: about, oh, you know, they're alluding to what punk said about the Miz and blood money and all of that, but they're not outright telling you so they're like really getting in the weeds because they know that like some of the audience knows about punk being a hypocrite on this and all if you want to show the WWE title, you've got to follow me to Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, John Cena, but they're not really explaining it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You have to actually know what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're just alluding to it because if they actually call out what's going on there, it makes the whole company look bad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So they can't really tell you, crystal clear, you know, like, oh, punk said this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're not going to tell you that because it makes the company, like the whole storyline is that the company is shitty and that punk criticized them and now punk is going to have to tow the company line and go over there to challenge John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, so I guess John Cena's the corporate champion in that regard, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the whole thing has been a total mess.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This should have been a match at Summerslam, not in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it all feels like to me is they're just making punk do things he's not comfortable with because they got him by the balls, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you see?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see a nail that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nile to your point and smack down by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is in Saudi Arabia the night before this PLE takes place in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, John Cena and CM Punk is a marquee match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be fourteen years later after the fact which we've alluded to that Friday night

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[SPEAKER_00]: Friday night, some act down will be fourteen years to the day of CM Punk's pipe bomb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cena put, I'm sorry, he was actually wrestling our truth and he put punk through a table when our truth was the one who speared John Cena before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: said Pike Bomb for ten years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what I was actually going to say is coming up next on season ten of WWE, two thousand and ten.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Cena and see him punk or add it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Cena is attempting to cosplay one of the most famous promos in the history of the business that's almost starting to become a little bit hypocritical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want your thoughts Ryan on him saying, Sina, that is, the mood is starting to change and Elvis has left the mother fudging building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's so many other token points I want to go over, but let's get your thoughts on this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's a, it's a famous line.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I always enjoy an Elvis shout out.

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[SPEAKER_05]: pipe bomb itself was I saw people so excited about I'm trying I'm trying to find a picture of it right now their photo galleries are such a horrible to navigate on dot com but I felt just the visual of punk laying there on a slim gym sponsored table for six freaking minutes john scenic that's this promo was indicative of just like

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[SPEAKER_05]: How sad to me this has gotten with the corporate chilling and just all we do is brag about how much money we make and it's not really about the wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's about why we set all these records and you paid more for tickets than anybody ever.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Congratulations, you know, here it is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let me just put this up on the screen right now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is just sad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: See, I'm punk, is laying there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: For six, even when punk cut that promo in two thousand eleven in Vegas, the pipe bomb, seemingly didn't lay there unconscious for six minutes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like he sat up eventually and he was kind of off in the corner and he just was listening to punk with his eyes open.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Punk had to lay there looking like a dope with a slim gym logo over his head.

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[SPEAKER_05]: For six minutes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is the state, this is the state of affairs right now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, a couple of years ago, CM Punk was wrestling dog collar matches and doing whatever the hell he wanted creatively.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then he burned that bridge and here he is and this is what has become of CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If you've filed this man's career for years and years and years like we have, just see this sucks.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just absolutely sucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost two years ago to the day as well, a certain fellow Brooks called Nick and Matt a couple of counterfeit bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It gave him a second chance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they still couldn't work together.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, God.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let me just say, I think there's a blame all around in that situation.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Certainly, it's not all unpunk.

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[SPEAKER_05]: dude, you can't let the Jack Perry comment burn down your career.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why wasn't seeing a halfway up the ramp during this promo?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a punk could do what Cena did for ten years ago get up kind of look around and just go and just you can kind of get just of the story from punk's eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just based on what John Cena is saying at the time, and Ryan, that looks delicious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I may have to go get one of those as soon as we're done.

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[SPEAKER_05]: My wife just brought this back for me from the coffee shop.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, that's hot, that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Gosh, thank you, Mrs. Drasty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, kidding, this is totally through my thoughts and operation.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Look at this nice foam cold brew.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now it's going to be run for me to drink from it without, like, slowly, the ad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I had a hot coffee today, but it is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think with Sina and punk the obvious statement here is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some are slamming direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We think their heading is Kobe Rhodes is going to be the one to rescue the WWE Universal Championship away from John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if Cena had not kicked punk in the nuts, you could almost pull a double turn in this scenario and have Cena go face punk go heel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you could go a different direction with Cody Rhodes for a little while, because it wouldn't look good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it could almost could have been WrestleMania a forty-one having seen a inroads in a face versus face scenario, but storyline wise, that's not going to make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you could maybe push a title win for Cody Rhodes to survive a series, or maybe a month before he seen a finally hangs it up for some other thoughts of mine too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If you did that in a match, he'd be up within thirty seconds.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, he was just motionless, listening to the sperm.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, I saw people all hyped up on social media on the promo and the things that were said.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, yeah, some of them were good lines.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was not really that edgy though.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, here's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Here's a problem, Jesse, with that promo.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't, and this is, this is why it's a problem, and it's not really much of a pipe bomb, because there's been all this debate on, you know, when he broke the fourth wall, like when, when Cena called out, you know, Colt Cabana back in the day, and the real pipe bomb, and John Cena says, Hi, Claudio Castanoli, you know, Hi, Matt Cardona, Hi Nick Nemeth,

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[SPEAKER_05]: So we're all like reading into this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, did he did he mean Claudio Casino like see is that like code his initials C and C for Colt Cabana and did he say I'm Matt and a Nick because he was alluding to Matt and Nick Jackson or is he just calling out people that we know John scene is friends with.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean like Seth Rollins just didn't interview.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember who it was with but I watched it not too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It might have been K Adams and

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[SPEAKER_05]: He talked about, you know, his coffee shop that he has an Iowa, and he said, yeah, I've got a group tax with Claudio Castinole in John Cena, and us three go back and forth about coffee.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're huge coffee snaps.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So he could have just been calling out Claudio because one of his best friends, but of course we're all trying to read the tea leaves.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, this is easy, alluding to the heat.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And if you have to do that, it's not a pipe bomb.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, like, if we don't know specifically what he meant by that,

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not what you want it to be.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the problem with all of this is it really could have landed and it could have been like one of those things right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh shit, can you believe he said that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: But he would have to acknowledge outright AEW and all of everything that happened with punk there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And how he burned his career down and he had to come crawling back to the WWE.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He could have said that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm sure punk would have won off the rails if he said that and punk wouldn't want him to say that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: WWE probably doesn't want him to acknowledge AEW.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's not really a pipe bomb.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like it's sanitized.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like a sparkler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like an NAB here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like an NAB.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm starting to love NAB here as by the way, I got about three loaded up for this game seven tonight in basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To other than that, or I go to Boca Cheekin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had enough to drink in the last week, so we're trying to be clean here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like confidence at entertaining, but not at all time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like it was entertaining, but like it wasn't, it wasn't full of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I can't believe he said that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like we've talked about this on the show many times.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The original punk pipe bomb in two thousand eleven was one of those things.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It brought a lot of people back to wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I was still watching, but I was definitely kind of in and out.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And when I heard about it and I watched it, I was like, oh my God, he said that stuff on TV.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm really interested in this match going into money in the bank.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And that didn't miss any of the shows.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This isn't something we're like, if I was kind of in and out of wrestling and I saw this promo on social, I would be like, oh, I got a two-day on Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I got a two-day on Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I got a two-day on Jesse with John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Cena's gonna say next.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God, he called out Claudio Castanoli.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, like it's just,

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was fine, but I didn't think it was great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And a lot of this is, again, the crowd cheered Cena when he was doing it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The whole thing, the whole thing is better flop.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We call it from the beginning, you know, that we've been saying this for months.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just not working.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Nobody buys John Cena in the heel roll.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They got to get out of this eventually.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody just wants to cheer him.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't sell himself as a heel well at all.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I just thought like the problems with the promo and the dynamic between him and punk are just indicative of a lot of the booking problems that they put themselves into by miscasting people here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think there's a lot of other problems.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Also, you know, with, and maybe they tried to solve that with the semifinal match on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about the braggie here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But the way they've booked Cody has not been to his advantage either, because we saw Cody get boot against John Cena at WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And if he wrestled Cena at SummerSlam, he's going to get boot again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They booked Cody into these matches in the tournament where he's also going to get boot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll look at this bracket here in a second, but just see a lot of issues going on right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't want your arguably number one baby face in the promotion to get food.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I wanted to go back a little bit before we moved forward and just talking about some of the lines I did like with Sino was punk changing his values more than he changes T shirts and saying that this one was a little odd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish he had said you're a millionaire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had said you're a billionaire in spite of of yourself and I did mention TKO taking punk's balls and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cena calling him a capitalist and that's something that we've been alluding to just the hypocrite himself, see him punk right now and just how we look at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cena is telling some truths here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, this we yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're good at hitting again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sena's heel turn was the incorrect move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be an easy face versus face scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if we do touch on something a little bit later from raw, I think it was raw on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tie together Sena and Bill Goldberg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think as well, and now we're looking at a Rhodes Orton, I would believe Men's King of the Ring qualifier to face Sina at Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So once again, season fifteen of WWE twenty ten is in full effect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only issue now is Cody Rhodes has actually made a name for himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a much bigger deal and being presented as.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's just rough sledding right now for world-ish entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, guys, this has popping today.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Love seeing all these people here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We got Tyler here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Nile check and in John Hope, of course, Ryan Huffman Carl all the gang is here live with us and we really appreciate that Tyler saying I think John scene is going to be turning baby face.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they got, they have to do this before the end of the year.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And if it is Sina and Rhodes at SummerSlam and they haven't dropped the title, I think you do it immediately after, you know, to Niles question about, could they have turned Sina in a way that works for us?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know all the things.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not, not when you know it's as farewell to her at least.

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[SPEAKER_05]: When the guy announced it's as farewell to her, nobody wants to boon him.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's in all time legend.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just, it's just not gonna work.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I'm gonna hold the title hostage till I walk away thing, which again is like, what,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Punked it back in two thousand eleven is just it's not gonna work and that was a baby face move So the only small fraction of hope Nile and this would be a scene that didn't have a retirement tour coming was if Duane Johnson had actually followed through

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[SPEAKER_00]: instead of like wrapping up the the the Cody situation in January and them and they're still we don't know the circumstances if he was called back for elimination chambers a one-off to sell tickets that doesn't make any sense to meet either so i think the way was just trying to squash it yeah i think if the way to follow through and helped in this john cina heal situation that's probably the only uh... course of action that could have been taken to make it to make it work

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[SPEAKER_05]: You mean instead of distancing himself from a storyline that's clearly not working?

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[UNKNOWN]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, I mean, there's another point here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We know that Dwayne actually wanted Cody to be the one to turn heel.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Was Dwayne right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Ooh, hey.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't even think about asking you that, but I mean, we've talked about Cody as a heel being money down the line.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What it was it too early, maybe, but I think if they want him to feud with Sina,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe, I was right, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the thing with Cody Rhodes and AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a heel turn all set for him to make and I think with his own volition, that's part of the reason why he probably split.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we'll never really know the full truth on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they're heavy, heavy with kind of top baby face characters right now because he got Ponko's obviously very much cheered by the audience, Jay Uso and then you got Cody and I mean,

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[SPEAKER_05]: I am a Gargman, who's those more over than Cody right now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, let me just put up this bracket.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We need to talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, again, we don't know what's going to be happening with WWE and Night of Champions.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We've been talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If you're just trying to slide it, you're going to rewind the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We talked about it at the top.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Should they move the show, will they?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I hope they move the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'd be stunned if they actually did, just given the amount of money involved.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I would move the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But as of right now, you know, they're still going over tonight.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's supposed to be some reporting coming up today on this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But as of now, they're still going to Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And they're going to be crowning the king of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is the brackets.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, don't blame me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: www.com for the eight hours later has still not updated the brackets.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But we know from SmackDown on Friday night, Randy Orton beat Sami Zayn.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So Orton is in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the other side, you got Cody and Jay Uso wrestling Monday night on Raw.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The crowd is going to be behind Uso in that match.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I imagine.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So this is what I was talking about, where Cody has been in these situations where he's still the face, but like he wrestle Sina and he gets booties potentially wrestling Sina at summer slam where I think he'll get boot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This, the crowd will be behind both men, but I think Uso is going to get more cheers in this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So you're going to get both of those guys a Monday night.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There was the possibility that you could have had roads and Sammy in the finals, which I think Sammy gets cheered in that scenario.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So maybe that's why they didn't move forward with Sammy beating Orton.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Orton winning leaves no ambiguity whatsoever on who's going to win, whoever wins between Rhodes and Uso is going to win this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Randy Orton is not going to win the king of the ring and challenge for the title at SummerSlim.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He just challenged for the title at backlash that would make no sense.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think that was a move that they made to protect a potentially Cody from getting booed against Sami Zayn.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sammy has been sheer loudly in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think he definitely would get the cheers over Cody in that scenario.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's probably why they took Sammy out because I thought just creatively Sammy versus one of these guys was a much more interesting match because it would be a little bit harder to predict the winner.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you agree?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's going to be Cody or Jay that wins this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I still lean towards Cody in the summer slam rematch with Cena, but they could go with you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So your thoughts, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's four of your top five baby faces right there in two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are the heels at, Ariel?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just curious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's something as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they had not just taken the title off of J Uso, which again, I think you can get into that a little bit later, you could argue again, he is hotter than Cody at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they really want to double down here, have us so take the title off of Sina, had summer slam, as much as I don't like his work rate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that matters in twenty twenty five if you are a world champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's making so much money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fans are drawing into him still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were heated after he lost that world title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why not continue to go all in and let him be the one to take down John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and make a larger name for himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just throwing examples out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody would be the safe play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the way that they should go, but if you really wanted to make a splash, have you so entertained a very long run on the SmackDown side of things with that title?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's deemed the most important championship in the promotion.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think that's more interesting than doing Uso-Gunther again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you said, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: When I saw that promo, Jessie, I immediately thought of you, where on Monday night raw, they approached Jay Uso about the possibility of wrestling and Gunther again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And he says, as far as he's concerned, they're one in one because he beat Gunther at WrestleMania and Gunther beat him last week on Raw.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Jessie, are they one in one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken, Gunther is foreign one lifetime against you, and so on television.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Saturday night's main event, and a hugely hype match earlier this year, let alone King of the Ring tournament last year, let alone an icy title match last year, all of which

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[SPEAKER_05]: or one by going through.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Dude, it's four to one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about the one thing that Triple H is doing that Vince McMahon did for the last probably eight or nine years and he started to sprinkle it in even more because people are talking about his long term storytelling is he's going will Smith men and black on you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And asking you to just completely omit specific parts of history just for storyline purposes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Gunther owns them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't really have any interest in seeing that match again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: God forbid Bill Goldberg wins the world title from Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That would be a trotace.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You want to, you want an all-time top-robed nation episode two and in of Bill Goldberg.

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[SPEAKER_05]: wins the world.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I have no intrigue on that match whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You talked about it before, but like, what is what is Bill Goldberg done to win to challenge for the world title?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he's been losing his matches when he, it's been like three years since he wrestled, but he went out losing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Usually he would lose in like six minutes or less.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And now he just come back and demand a world title shot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, I get a little worry because I'm like, that match didn't need the title.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They could have gone through a Goldberg without the title.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So are they actually thinking about putting the title?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because otherwise, why would you be Jay for it?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yikes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Or you know, you have Seth Cashin, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But to me, Seth would have, should have cashed in like we talked about, I mean, right after money in the bank when they had gone through.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So he should cash in that night, but champion.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's the direction the company needs right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to dip my toe a little bit into the water because I'm going to save seventy five percent of this for my episode of TR and unplugged hint patrons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are going to get paid on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here is a prime example.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Bill Goldberg has lost his last four matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three of them have been world title opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is fifty seven years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now in my line of work, the older I get, there's things I'm almost forty five that I cannot do that I did when I was thirty two years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I train weekly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Goldberg has not taken a bump in three years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in wrestling, you're supposed to suspend your disbelief.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you can't fool somebody like me who works inside profession with physical attributes on display in athletics, Ryan's a huge sports fan himself, so he could tell you the exact same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you expect us to believe that Bill Goldberg, who I believe is fifty-six years old and has not wrestled in three years, has a logistic chance to beat?

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the most dominant superstars of the last four years, actually, no, the most dominant superstars outside of Roman Reigns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For a world heavyweight championship without any matches in the last three years,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that possible to some in fantasy world?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is because they want to kind of suspend it and like the whole Toby Keith analogy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not as good as I once was, but I can be good as once as I ever was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not in this case, you're wrestling a world class performer who is near the top of his game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, patrons, you are going to get paid because I'm going to go even further in-depth later on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this is in George Forman in nineteen ninety four.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, George Forman one famously won the World title.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He was forty five.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Go for it's over the decade older than that right now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I mean, yeah, there's not really any believability in that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Unfortunately, I do believe they possibly could do that title change, but I think it would be terrible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think as a wrestling fan, if you watch Saturday, it's main event and earlier that day, you watch all in Texas.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If you see hangman page when the world title and you contrast that with Bill Goldberg winning the world title,

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[SPEAKER_05]: which promotion you want to watch.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if you're a wrestling fan and not just a WWE fan, I have a hard time believing any serious wrestling fan would be like overjoyed at Bill Goldberg winning the World title in in two thousand and twenty five.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sounds terrible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely awful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He almost single-handedly derailed Bray Wyatt's career in Saudi Arabia by defeating the fiend for the world championship and you want to try to do this again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: History might be doomed to repeat itself about a three percent chance, but if that happens, I don't like the looks of things for Gunther moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, so much of this doesn't make sense and this is a great comment from Carl.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He says, when you have brawn, hitting insane spear tackles, how bad is Billy boy going to do it?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm kidding.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, just the dynamic here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I keep trying to like rationalize it in my brain.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why would you take the title off of J.U.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, a top tier baby face when you have Seth Rollins and his heel group with brawnbreaker.

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[SPEAKER_05]: you know, Bronson Reed and Hayman.

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[SPEAKER_05]: When you need him to cash in, clearly to become World Champion, a heel, he's got, he wanted to do it on a baby face.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now they've moved the title over to Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's no heat in Seth Rollins taking the title from Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The only heat there is him taking it from Goldberg, which I think some of your audience would cheer.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank God.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The money was always in him screw and over, J.U.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, so maybe that happens at Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just not interested in Gunther, J.U.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So again, at Summerslam, they just did it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They could be repeating both world title matches at Summerslam if they just did a WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Cody seen also, you know, so.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I, I just, I really keep coming back to why didn't they do that on Raw right after money in the bank?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Screw over, J.U.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, Rollins is a champion.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's the direction you need to go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do think I know we've been really negative on WV on this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do think there's interesting things happening to the point like Braun Breaker is definitely a success.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Rollins, I'm still interested in this heel group.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He needs to be World Champion soon.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But then they'd like muddy the waters by bringing back Bill Goldberg.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Muddy the waters by still doing these Saudi Arabia shows, which are now very dangerous, I believe, hope everyone says safe over there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But there's the prospect that things not could spiral out of control over there while they're overseas.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's worth the risk.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So there's positives and negatives.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But to me, the booking has just been extremely, extremely questionable over the last several months over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also something that is too a lesser extent not that believable to me is Oscar coming back fourteen months from injury not having a wrestle at all and winning a four way and then defeating Alexa Bliss to earn her her finals match at Queen of the ringer for the night of champions too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one other point on Seth Rollins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I can read the tea leaves correctly, I'm going to try to call my shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that Cody Rose will win this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to defeat Sina Somerslam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You saw Seth and Cody go head to head at RAW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Seth cashes in on Cody and wins the Universal Championship.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's probably, I mean, the most appetizing direction I would say creatively since they didn't do any of those other things we discussed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That makes a lot more sense, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Such with the draft of September.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think Carl had mentioned the chat earlier.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If they've specified if it's a shot at your brand's title or a title from King of the Ring, I think last year it was the brand's title.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if they've specified that this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You're not that I not to my knowledge, but I think that's generally what people believe.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, Nile.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It made sense if Sammy was winning King the ring and then Seth screwed Sammy instead.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let me let me just you were talking about the women's tournament.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Talk about this briefly and only transition here to AEW to finish the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So the women's bracket is also not been updated since SmackDown, but Oscar did defeat defeat Alexa Bliss.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So you got Oscar in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Taking on the winner of Roxanne Perez and Jade Cargill this Monday night and raw.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's my pick is cargo is going to win the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I thought from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Dave had an interesting note in the observer on these four women and he did this for the men too, but he was looking at, you know, where they rank in Google searches.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And cargo is like way behind the other three and Google searches.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like not even close.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like there were way more disparity between the women.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Then there was the men, but you know, then he noted that WWE believes the ceiling is the highest for cargo of these four.

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[SPEAKER_05]: As far as Google traffic goes, she is way behind the other three.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I still think Cargill is going to win.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't see Oscar winning this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Cargill winning, playing into everything going on with Naomi having the money in the bank briefcase and the title situation over there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's probably the direction they go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Although, you know, you have Tiffany Stratton over there who is a baby face now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Cargill, a baby face doesn't work out very well unless Naomi kind of gets herself involved in the title picture, whether that's cashing in before SummerSlam and you do Naomi Jade Cargill at SummerSlam or adding herself to that match and making it a triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, all possibilities, where do you see this going, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right, it logistically for me would make sense for, I think Roxanne Perez has been making some pretty significant strides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's somebody I would like to see when this and go on and wrestle EOS guy that would be super entertaining, you could go the ask to EO route as well, which

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been asking for singles match-wise, you can play on some prior history there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they've invested a lot of money resources time into Jade Cargill and spite of her injuries and storyline-wise, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does make more sense for Naomi's involvement in the briefcase to just kind of throw that big question out there when does she cash in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes more sense that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think Jade is the likely winner here too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, it is possible that the injury to live Morgan could change plans.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So let me just say this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So obviously, you know, the live Morgan injury was pretty tragic on Monday night.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It happens like less than ten seconds into the match.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It takes a move at people take all the time, just falling to the mat with their hands out.

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[SPEAKER_05]: separates your shoulder reportedly that injury is going to keep her out months.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was a pretty serious one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So my thought before the injury was what was going to happen in this match was that you were going to have live more than cost rocks and the match on raw because rocks and it's cost live Morgan in the past and that's how they would play this off to no keep Perez looking

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[SPEAKER_05]: good events that story would live Morgan and the judgment day and then you know, cargo goes over.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now they're not going to have a live to get involved in the finished potentially.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So maybe they change directions, you know, it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But that's kind of how I saw this playing out until we found out how serious, you know, that injury was live.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So really, really unfortunate situation over there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: My Carl, I see echoing that in the chat here, too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Talking about the live injury.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Although he said Perez before a live injury, I was hounder to that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought, Perez, she would lose because of live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you thought that live would be the one to move on, or did you think Perez was going to be the one to lose the cargo?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought Perez would lose the cargo and live with cost or the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, we'll see, I think Cargo winning is, is my pick as of right now, though.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, we'll see Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then another, I think, a quick one is Jacob Fatu in the ascension with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be heading into a feud with Solo who has looked a little better in recent months, but hasn't resurrected his character enough for me, but he probably has enough for worldessing entertainment's fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm psyched to see which Jacob Fatu does for the remainder of two thousand and twenty five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just fun to see the reactions he's getting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, a little AEW talk, and then we are gonna close up shop on this episode and enjoy the rest of our Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, Jesse, I mean, Arena, Mexico, AEW Dynamite Grand Slam, what a freaking awesome show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think we're seeing a very clear dynamic between these two major North American companies where they not necessarily where the company leaders stand politically,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but what they're presenting on screen to you, you know, you mentioned before like people WWE are in bed with politically and that kind of filtering out to their television a little bit and some of the people who are pushed and what they say on TV and on the other side, you got a little more freedom to be, you know, looking around what's going on in the United States right now, more pro immigrants, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Brody King, you mentioned earlier the abolished ice t-shirt.

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[SPEAKER_05]: working a show in Mexico and a working a situation where they're not taking over CMLL, but they are working side by side with CMLL, which is far different than the relationship that WIV is going to be having here with AAA moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Totally different dynamics going on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was such a fun show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed it so much.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know Justin, if he was on here would say it to, he said it was one of the most fun shows he's watched and I think he said years in our text mess.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'd have to bring it up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was super high on it also.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Great wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The crowd was outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think we talked about it in the months leading up to the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we were curious how they would set up the show and they set it up with the authentic CMLL style with that entranceway and everything.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the crowd, like I said, was off the charts and

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[SPEAKER_05]: It made me to be honest with you, like it made me want to watch CMLL, which is a win for them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, when I, when I see like WBE and what they're doing with worlds collide, everything, it didn't make me want to watch AAA.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But watching this and just with some of the crossover and just how cool arena Mexico is, not the first time I've seen the arena obviously, but like just such a legendary spot, it made me want to check out more CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And we, you know, we know how much wrestling there is to watch these days with

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[SPEAKER_05]: WBNAW and New Japan pro wrestling and TNA doing interesting stuff here and there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: NXT.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But like, man, I'm not gonna lie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, man, maybe I should start watching CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I always really like Lucha Libre.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The problem is it's kind of hard to watch.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If you got to get the bias subscription on YouTube and it can get pretty pricey if you want to access to all the shows.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it did its job in like opening up people's eyes to CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And again, the company's feeling like equals, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Your thoughts, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A little more than normal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I used to watch Triple A on Twitch like six, seven years ago when the WWE was down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a whole lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this inclusion with CMLL and you're right about those crowds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wrote an article a long time ago about the history of Lucha Libre and who I felt was on Dia de la most worth those, which is November the second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who the three greatest deceased pro wrestlers from Mexico were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just seeing the lineage of like the the Santos is and the octagon's and the blue demon and just how larger than life they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look no further and you already alluded to this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan then missed the coast entrance and how the people just

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[SPEAKER_00]: portrayed him like he was this larger than life character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It almost felt like in a different direction, we were watching Apollo Creed vs. Ivan Drago and Rocky Fuller when MJF was in the corner, playing the role of Drago in the Russian and enemy territory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mystico Showmanship was just so fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That entrance.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That was joking about a booze guy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I watched it so many times.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then I'm seeking out the song that he came out to.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The song that came out back in two thousand six, which is just, you know, you probably know more about this than me, but I know it's like an ultra popular song throughout the region.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think the video for that song has like, eighty million views on YouTube or something, but the music video from two thousand six, it's all about mystical.

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[SPEAKER_05]: which is super cool.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So if you haven't seen the music video, you should, you should seek it out.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like a love song.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If, you know, if you speak Spanish or you look up the translation of it, but just that song is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the crowd singing it and screaming the lyrics back at them, I loved it so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: great stuff and hangman page doing his entire promo in Spanish in the first five minutes and for me to be able to understand eighty five percent of it was awesome I go yes this is way better than duo lingo let's have hangman page speaks Spanish to me for the next like ten fifteen minutes almost want to watch it on a loop

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was, it was out, again, that's the contrast between the two promotions.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They felt comfortable putting hanging out there, cutting the entire promo in Spanish.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You had Excalibur trying to translate it a little bit was awkward because then he was kind of going over the top of him and it didn't really work.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But they didn't lose viewers because of that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this was the most watched dynamite on cable since early, two thousand and twenty four.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it did not, and that does not include all the viewers on max, which we've talked about here a lot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I always watch a max.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't just know as much as on max, a lot of people I know do because the picture quality is better.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's tens of thousands of people watching on max in addition to the number you're seeing for TBS.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do think that slowly and some of this is anecdotal like posts I see on Reddit and stuff where people are fed up with WWE and they go to the AEW Reddit and they're asking for like advice on getting into the current storylines and everything.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I've seen more and more of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, that's a small amount of fans.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But still still it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We have seen AEW's viewership ticking up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, you know, their their live attendance model has changed because they are running like the smaller venues a lot of the time for TV not this week.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, but most weeks are running smaller venues.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Then they run them, you know, the big places for paper views and the usually draw a good crowd.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it's hard to measure attendance right now because of the change in their model.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it seems to me like the demand for tickets just following WrestleTex has as

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[SPEAKER_05]: gone up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do think that they're they're starting to move in the right direction.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We have said that creatively we have thought a W this year has been outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, much to Paul of X, dismay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he's winning Booker the year this year.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think Tony Khan is for sure above him at this point in time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Both guys have won it in the past.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I think the bookings have been very good.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We have enjoyed the build to all in and yeah, I mean, pretty high on what that company's doing right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The vast majority, because there is something I do agree with Carl on in the chat in the firm, the very first comment there are the last one most recent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say from two weeks back, so we're of an Osprey opening up that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Summer Blockbuster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just re-washed it this morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it tied into a storyline that's going to be coming down the road with Osprey taking the bullet for Swerve by the young bucks, which is probably leading to a tag match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to the one negative right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like the build of Kazuchko Kata and Kenny Omega.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don Callis' inclusion is, I had not needed at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Omega and the diverticulitis situation, I think, has been beaten to death.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just let the history of these two guys going at it with four of the most epic matches in the history of professional wrestling speak volumes and there's way more to it than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need Don Callis at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't like how they have done like much of yeah, much of the course of the build at all for that one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, like, the video packages have been very good that they've aired for that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think it was after the first video package I saw people on social saying, all this feels like the main event, this has to main event the show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do not agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think the title match has to main event and I would be stunned if they put the world title matches should say,

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'd be stunned if they put Ocada and I'll make out there at the end.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just look at what they've done in the past.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We talked about our Moxley's matches have lacked in the main event because he's had to follow people he couldn't follow.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think the Moxley Hangman match has a lot of steam.

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[SPEAKER_05]: People are going to be really behind Hangman ending that title reign.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You would think he would win the title at a stadium show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be a huge moment.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's no way that can't go on less.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, O'Cotta and Omega had some of the best matches and wrestling history.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't, what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think you can put that one on last ahead of the AEW World title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, especially with Moxley and Hangman's chemistry, with I believe they've had three matches, they might've only had two, but they all both of them, or all three, have been in the four-star range.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they seem to get very good things out of each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just lost my train of thought, oh, the AEW Unified Championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am a little bit concerned with how they've termed that, too, because if I have heard this correctly in passing,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a chance that this could be higher than a midcard championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe what does this mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean it's almost the equal of the AEW World Heavyweight Championship?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it just like a half-notch below?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you look at who has held these championships of late, like the International Omega to Keshita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Osprey those are those are your who's who and then you have the world championship right now who which we're thinking it's going to be hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the talent chasing the Continental which by the way, Oh, Kata, one of the best ever and Kingston was the first holder and look we had to defeat to do it Danielson and Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit worrisome there and how they're going to treat this title.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm glad that they're combining the titles.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We've been very vocal about them having too many titles.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think that that's the right decision, but yeah, I'm curious.

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[SPEAKER_05]: what direction they go with that to.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, to your point about their matches, these two have had before.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm just double checked to look at all up.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, the Texas death match had revolution back in two thousand and twenty three.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Melto gave that five stars.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was a great match.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Page one, the match went twenty six minutes on that one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That is, that is their most recent singles match.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They had another match that Dave went four and a half stars on this was on the February first, two thousand and twenty three edition of AEW Dynamite where Moxley defeated page it opened the show that night.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You can look up in the archives.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Then you go back to January, eleventh of, two thousand and twenty three.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Meltzer went.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's see.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Four and a quarter on this one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This was on a W Dynamite again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: that also opened the show January, eleven, two thousand twenty three little over fourteen minutes page one that one and the only other one they had was back in two thousand twenty two October eighteen of two thousand twenty two I'm thinking of yeah this was title Tuesday that was their first singles match that was the main event moxley defeated page in that one referee stoppage eleven minutes fifteen

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[SPEAKER_05]: to secondly knocked him out cold.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the lowest rated of the four.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I mean, the last three they've had of all been outstanding stuff all like you said over four stars.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm expecting to be an awesome match and you just can't not mean event with that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's just no way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You can't you can't put that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You can't possibly put that like in the semi main spot, especially a page that's going to win the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A cowboy rolling into Texas to rescue the company from a guy who's been holding the title hostage for the last nine months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't think that's main event.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was stunned.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I saw a lot of people saying it then.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was the night they had that first video back.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just a main event.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You guys talking about, no, it doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not going to mean event.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It shouldn't mean event.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just fiercely disagree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are two different people at this point too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Omega is still kind of just getting back from injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And another Carl point here with Kazuchko Kada as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is something I've seen out of Okada before, where he just kind of like lays in the weeds and just like lets everybody else have their moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just when you think he's out of it, here he comes with this mind-blowing match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is what he's holding all of his marbles for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I expect nothing less than probably four and a half from these two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In spite of like maybe they're both of their physical conditions, I think it's going to be fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kota, who's she by the way, Ryan returning last night?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't expect that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen collision, but when I saw that, I was pretty surprised.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's kind of out of nowhere.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So we got plenty to talk about in the weeks ahead, but I think we've pretty much covered everything we wanted to hit this morning.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Did I leave off anything?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I'll add something with Tony Storm almost cosplaying Carmen Sandia go these last couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've enjoyed that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And her her promo with with Mercedes over the last couple of weeks and how she's going to hunt her down and Mercedes just tacked out another championship CMLL women's world champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know she just dropped in YouTube and strong title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She might have gotten that back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She had like six titles around her arms at arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Three on one arm two on the other one around the waist.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And you love the people, like the people that are criticizing her, like they, this is how they want to book her.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not her demanding.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She has to win the title.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So this is how she's being booked.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's not adverse to losing matches.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is just the way they want to do it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And look, she deserves it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's one of the best women's wrestlers of modern times.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's been doing great great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, all those takes when she first debuted with AEW that it was underwhelming.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She pretty quickly put those critics to rest and it's just been doing really outstanding stuff since then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, baby face prom was on her thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Nile says, can we get convinced Kyle to come back for classics every month?

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[SPEAKER_05]: As you guys know, one of the reasons, one of the major reasons Kyle stepped away from the podcast is he does not like modern wrestling and talking about it was not fun for him anymore, but he does still want classic wrestling and you know, I don't know about every month, but I think we could get Kyle on

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[SPEAKER_05]: quite often possibly, you know, his schedule ramps up a lot in the fall with football season.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That was always an issue at a shoot job, you know, when we were doing the show every week.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, if it's an easy show to watch or if it's a show that we know he has seen a lot that he doesn't have to prep for as much like this one was, then we usually reach out to him or like last fall he was on because it was Survivor Series, ninety two and he went to that show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Things like that, we always reach out to them and we try to make it work.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So we'll definitely get Kyle back on before the end of the year and maybe more than one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'll make it that promise for sure.

01:03:38.850 --> 01:03:39.251
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

01:03:40.209 --> 01:03:42.350
[SPEAKER_05]: So, hey, this has been a good time.

01:03:42.390 --> 01:03:44.470
[SPEAKER_05]: We have a really good live audience.

01:03:44.530 --> 01:03:48.591
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe some of you are checking us out because you saw the unplugged it was live last week.

01:03:48.631 --> 01:03:50.352
[SPEAKER_05]: We reached a new viewers, you know, bring it on.

01:03:50.372 --> 01:03:50.612
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

01:03:50.672 --> 01:03:50.912
[SPEAKER_05]: Day.

01:03:50.972 --> 01:03:52.292
[SPEAKER_05]: Ellen can last week.

01:03:52.532 --> 01:03:53.653
[SPEAKER_05]: So that was awesome to see.

01:03:53.693 --> 01:03:54.613
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll get those two.

01:03:54.693 --> 01:03:57.634
[SPEAKER_05]: I think on a flagship in the future.

01:03:57.654 --> 01:04:05.996
[SPEAKER_05]: Because I would love to talk to those two in the future on a podcastly, to interact with them on social media, but never don't podcast with them like you have.

01:04:06.658 --> 01:04:15.562
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually just found two different creators that are connected with them that I'm going to probably have on unplugs in the future.

01:04:15.722 --> 01:04:18.043
[SPEAKER_00]: So this really did reach a broader audience.

01:04:18.103 --> 01:04:20.464
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you, especially Kel.

01:04:20.564 --> 01:04:25.165
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little bit out of the norm for what you regularly hear on top of hope nation.

01:04:25.225 --> 01:04:27.046
[SPEAKER_00]: And Cam is so well spoken.

01:04:27.106 --> 01:04:31.388
[SPEAKER_00]: I just truly enjoy his work, both on social and his writing as well.

01:04:32.008 --> 01:04:32.908
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I agree.

01:04:33.089 --> 01:04:34.129
[SPEAKER_05]: Very much, you graceill.

01:04:34.269 --> 01:04:35.670
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks again to those guys for coming on.

01:04:36.110 --> 01:04:37.510
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll make that happen again.

01:04:37.851 --> 01:04:41.292
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks to everyone who tuned in live this morning on your Sunday morning.

01:04:41.312 --> 01:04:42.273
[SPEAKER_05]: Appreciate your support.

01:04:42.633 --> 01:04:47.335
[SPEAKER_05]: Always enjoy seeing our friends across the pond over in the UK able to tune in live.

01:04:47.355 --> 01:04:50.796
[SPEAKER_05]: This time slot has really been working out well since we made the shift.

01:04:50.816 --> 01:04:52.517
[SPEAKER_05]: So we appreciate that support from all of you guys.

01:04:53.818 --> 01:04:55.878
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, Jesse, that's all I got.

01:04:55.919 --> 01:04:56.719
[SPEAKER_05]: Man, appreciate it.

01:04:56.779 --> 01:04:58.740
[SPEAKER_05]: Hopefully next time Justin will be on with us, but

01:04:59.695 --> 01:05:02.336
[SPEAKER_05]: This is easy as always talking pro wrestling with you, my friend.

01:05:03.036 --> 01:05:03.816
[SPEAKER_00]: It always is Ryan.

01:05:03.836 --> 01:05:08.237
[SPEAKER_00]: We've had that chemistry for a few years, even before I was on safe, mowing Justin joint.

01:05:08.297 --> 01:05:12.658
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to throw my AC on and now I'm going to walk over to my Starbucks.

01:05:12.718 --> 01:05:16.559
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like three and a half blocks away for a nitro because I want to have fun watching this game.

01:05:16.619 --> 01:05:20.560
[SPEAKER_00]: Seven ECW barbed wire hoodies and choke slams from nineteen ninety five.

01:05:20.600 --> 01:05:23.601
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be viewing that today and working on a five hundred piece puzzle.

01:05:24.021 --> 01:05:24.501
[SPEAKER_05]: Good time.

01:05:25.381 --> 01:05:25.621
[SPEAKER_05]: Nice.

01:05:26.482 --> 01:05:27.142
[SPEAKER_05]: Keep in busy.

01:05:27.302 --> 01:05:28.102
[SPEAKER_05]: You love to hear it.

01:05:29.062 --> 01:05:30.983
[SPEAKER_05]: Alright guys, we appreciate your support as always.

01:05:31.424 --> 01:05:41.229
[SPEAKER_05]: Check us out on Patreon, join the Facebook Group Top Rope Nation Pro Wrestling discussion, and you can follow us on all of the socials, blue sky, x Instagram, TikTok, Facebook as well.

01:05:42.089 --> 01:05:42.650
[SPEAKER_05]: Find us there.

01:05:43.550 --> 01:05:45.331
[SPEAKER_05]: We're talking to you all again a few days.

01:05:45.651 --> 01:05:46.412
[SPEAKER_05]: Take care everybody.

01:05:46.652 --> 01:05:47.172
[SPEAKER_05]: Stay safe of it.

01:05:48.072 --> 01:05:48.773
[SPEAKER_05]: Apologize.

01:05:50.385 --> 01:05:52.748
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool, you're a fool.

01:05:52.788 --> 01:05:53.509
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool.

01:05:53.549 --> 01:05:54.670
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool.

01:05:54.770 --> 01:05:55.631
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool.

01:05:55.651 --> 01:05:56.192
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool.

01:05:56.212 --> 01:05:57.273
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool.

01:05:57.333 --> 01:05:57.694
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool.

01:05:57.714 --> 01:05:58.455
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool.

01:05:58.475 --> 01:05:58.855
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a fool.

01:06:03.487 --> 01:06:06.908
[SPEAKER_02]: That I'm not going to see you.

01:06:06.928 --> 01:06:09.748
[SPEAKER_03]: That I'm not going to see you.

01:06:09.788 --> 01:06:12.089
[SPEAKER_03]: That I'm not going to see you.

01:06:12.409 --> 01:06:15.429
[SPEAKER_03]: That I'm not going to see you.

01:06:15.469 --> 01:06:16.510
[SPEAKER_03]: That I'm not going to see you.

01:06:29.232 --> 01:06:46.343
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:07:03.319 --> 01:07:04.684
[UNKNOWN]: You'll return to say...