2025 Pro Wrestling Awards, AEW Worlds End Live Experience

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[SPEAKER_01]: Leave me to do it, it is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_01]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only way to cry, It not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good evening, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is the last edition of Top Rope Nation for 2025 episode 405.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for the first time in a few weeks, we got all three of us live here on the line ready to talk all the latest in the world of professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got Justin joint getting ready to deal some cards for strip poker up there in the top right of your screen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, how you doing tonight?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How are you, Siri, have you watched any good football games lately?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did watch a damn good game on Sunday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, the bears came up short, but that was a hell of a game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was pretty reasonable.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't even really give you crap, just because it was such a fun game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was it, 38, 42?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds right, yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just, I feel like the bears just ran out of time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, if, uh, I think Ben Johnson had said he wouldn't have wasted a time out earlier and they would have had a couple more shots at the end zone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it up two yards short, and a few seconds, not enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But man, Niners are an awesome team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably two of the top play collars in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, hopefully more of those in our futures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, anything in the glass tonight, Justin?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got a, I think, uh, adventurous brewery, it is their double IPA, so we should probably get after it, uh, audacious culture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I found a couple of their beers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm trying to, is that Davenport?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to remember words from yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they make some good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just see Velasquez.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing tonight sir?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, last hour of my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of want that back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to go back to what I was doing before I got involved in two separate telephone conversations that made us a little bit late tonight, so I apologize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one is for business and the other is for a scared four and a half year old right now that we're not getting Yeah, hearing things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you might be dreaming She's stitch from Lilo and stitch in his own man for what the only and he doesn't even he hasn't I look at his ever watched it But he has a stitch figure in his room

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, my kids love Lilo and Stitch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean great movie the original and then of course the new one that came out to but I love it because of the Elvis connections in that movie I mean how can you not like it as an Elvis fan like I am but yeah all time all time classic Lilo and Stitch good stuff you drink in tonight

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should be up at this last hour, but, though, I have athletic winter wonder, it's their winter meal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just read that for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not too bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Reasonable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got Brittany in the chat, checking in, good to see Brittany as always on our most recent patrons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I got a drink here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't opened it yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was waiting for us getting on the line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is from dimensional brewing out of debut, which is an awesome brewery out of debut guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this one's called robot voice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sweet logo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a hazy IPA.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Galaxy Citra, El Dorado hops 6.6% It says on the side, must ingest fuel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Robot voice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to crack that open right now and get it poured.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But as you guys may have seen here in the podcast description,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I even ever announced it on the podcast or not, but I did attend AEW World's End.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to keep it under wraps a little bit because I gave the tickets to my two oldest children as a kind of a Christmas gift and it was like the last gift they opened on Christmas morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I put, I printed out the tickets and I put them in an envelope and hit them in the Christmas tree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they had finished all their gifts and I let them just kind of hang around for a while

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, there's something in the Christmas tree over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll send you, I'm not going to play on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll send you guys a video off air if I haven't already.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when I think I did send it to you, didn't I?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And boy, they were surprised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we got to go to Chicago just for a quick night, you know, to go to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was an amazing time as the AW paper views always are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Add a blast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a little nervous coming back because there was a lot of winter weather headed our way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we got up at 6 a.m. on Sunday morning and left Chicago at

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[SPEAKER_02]: about six, 45 from the hotel and it up getting back here to about 11 AM and about 10 minutes after I pulled into my garage, the sleet started coming down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So timed it about perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Our buddy, Jay Schmitz, he was also at the show, patron of the show and he left about an hour after us and they were driving 30 on the inner state because the roads were so bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, we avoided that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but yeah, I mean, it was a very quick trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is how quick it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jay was staying on the same floor as us at the same hotel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't even plan it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just a couple doors down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never even saw him the whole weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We went to the mall, my youngest, and my wife also came.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we took them to the Lego store.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they didn't go to the paper room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a little young for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they did like Legos and Swamp in the hotel while we went to the wrestling show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we were out, so I didn't see him then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then by the time we went out to dinner and by the time we got back, he had already walked to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when we got back to the hotel after Worlds and Jay invited me down to the room for beers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, dude, I'm already in bed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna put six a.m. you know, I'm leaving early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I never saw him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he messaged me the next morning at like seven something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was hanging on the lobby and we already on the road.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never even saw him in the flesh, even though we were literally on the same floor of the hotel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, it was a very quick trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was very worried about the weather, but man, at an absolute blast at the show, the thumbnail on YouTube, by the way, that is a picture I took at the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I got to use an original picture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll sit to Samoa, Joe one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is not that it's M.J. Foul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a new camera on your phone?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I saw like half of those and I was just what in the hell type of camera quality do you have?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just upgraded my phone actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So good timing on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the new iPhone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the camera on it is phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Way better than my old iPhone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I definitely made a difference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My god, John Hope in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got a super chat already from John, wishing a fantastic 126 to all of TRN.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about 2 a.m. over there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, John, it's a way too late man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Go to bed dude.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's well worth losing your sleep over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I see a wild, yes, Ryan Huffman, I have seen him in like months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's in the chat as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I almost thought of, I thought about this going into the show, since it was kind of our eve of New Year's Eve show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess you could call it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what if I set a super chat goal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if we hit it, oh, like, Chug a beer live on air or something?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, what would be a good level to do that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I figured, like, 25 or 30 bucks, because we don't usually get a ton of super chats.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'll Chug a beer with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll start drinking if it gets to eight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if we hit 25 dollars in super chats, we'll chuck a beer live on air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's set the goal right now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: 25 dollars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll chuck a beer on air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, good to see all the people in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, let's talk a little world then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's been two days since the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we didn't do the traditional po-show because I wasn't here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys had some scheduling issues, but we've all watched it by now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Give me your great A through F, Justin, for A, W, World's End.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, first off for me, it technically, it would be an incomplete, because I still have two matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I need to watch, because I started it really late.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had family in town for the weekend for Christmas, Christmas number four for us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I started it really late.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to watch the first two C2 matches, and then I jumped to the end, and I really haven't

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[SPEAKER_03]: in my defense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've also not really read anything that makes me really inclined to go check out the middle of the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm somewhere in the B- to C plus range.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm at the point where I don't really watch WWE anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm grading AW paper views against AW paper views.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this was one of the weaker ones of the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was very vengeful, obviously, for everything that came out of it, but when you talk the match quality that we normally see at AEW paper views, this felt a little less than.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We did have an absolute banger in the mocks and Kyle Fletcher match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We had, I mean, that was the thing, like, normally with the AEW paper views, you get like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: two or three matches in the four star and above range.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like there is just one on this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But everything else hovered right around three if not a little bit above.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I honestly, I agree with Ryan's star ratings that he posted.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have mixed feelings about the two big winners.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mox and MJF.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're really need going to have to talk about mjf because I was stunned at kind of some of the backlash.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw I didn't realize how down people are on him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am not there, but I'm also not really intrigued at the moment with a mjf title reign.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is kind of to be determined.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm open to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the mox thing,

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[SPEAKER_03]: It just felt way too rushed with, you know, the baby face promo at the end of that felt a little unarmed with how his character has been for the last few months and I'm not saying that they couldn't have gotten there and I'm not saying it was bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the promo was fucking bad ass.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, that is who Mox is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he is the ace of this promotion, but it just felt a little unarmed to me and I'm not convinced he was the right guy to win the C2.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse, what about you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen everyone, but one match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I missed FTR and the Bang Bang Gang.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I caught the last two matches live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I rewatched Mox Fletcher before we got on tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to try to rewatch Hater in Statlander before we got on tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving this a B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think just a lot of the same reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The quality of it, I think overall was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not quite great, but we have Maxim Fletcher, Max losing a tooth at the hard way in just seeing some of the stuff like, he put on an incredible performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, and I wanted to bring this up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll wait till later to bring up like what John Maxly has done since he's lost is a AWS World Heavyweight Championship cause,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, for those who thought he was having a shitty year, you could almost, but not quite make an argument for him as wrestler of the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if his first four months hadn't started out so poorly, especially with the Copeland feud, I, I'm 100% there with you, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okada Takeshita was a little disappointing to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was even more disappointed when I just saw a fancam video of the end of the match just made it a lot worse for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Outside of that though, uh...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's get into that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole Samoa Joe MJF.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All that stuff because I think I'm one of the few that's was very pro hangman, just still be champion right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't feel Samoa Joe should have taken it from him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just a lot of unanswered questions, but I do think in AWS defense that a heel right now is best suited as a world champion because look at all those baby faces getting ready to chase him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was kind of where I was at with it, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, I give my grade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty much right where you guys are on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go B plus just because I was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But otherwise, if I was watching a paper view, I'd say B, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like it's, it was a solid show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have been with you guys to some unbelievable A, W, paper views in the past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in that very arena, all out, 21,

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[SPEAKER_02]: 22 with Jesse, you know, full gear up in Minneapolis, dynasty, of course, down in St. Louis, you know, the United Center for all out, I mean, just lots, lots of A, W shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of all of those paper views.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's probably at the bottom, but the bottom ranking is still shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like that's a tall task to outdo those.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, like to Justin's point, Fletcher and Moxley was the best match on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think in my ratings over on Patreon, I gave it four and a quarter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just that was a phenomenal match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really, really enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed the finals as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like the main event too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like your typical AW main event level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little below that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went, they went three and three quarters on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, it was a solid match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, a kids were freaking psyched to see those guys all in the ring together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I will tell you, before the main event started, they were getting a little tired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even my middle child, who's usually the night owl, was like, I'm getting tired here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, hang on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're almost at the end of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were kind of checked out during the C2 finals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when that main event started when Swarve came out in particular, I mean, they were losing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they were, they were really into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, all the talk we always talk with the links these shows, even live, it's, they're too long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not, I'm not breaking down any walls by saying that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, yeah, I do think they need to tighten them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's a long time to sit in arena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were sitting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: right like the first section off the entrance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the pyro was super loud there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were right under the speaker stack and I'm telling you that that music was so loud, we were sitting it was shaking my clothes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the loudest theme all night was MJF's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The bass on that theme was not sane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was louder than swirps.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When MJF came out, I looked down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The bass was literally

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's insane how loud it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And James makes Shudik shake, all right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I was very happy my kids had like the sound headphones on because it was so loud.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My ears were not ringing the next day, luckily, but yeah, it was very, very loud.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That kept you awake.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, it was a long night worth it in the end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go be plus since I was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about the headline, M.J.F.

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[SPEAKER_02]: recapturing the world title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't stunned that he won the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought there was a pretty good chance that they would switch the title here and if they did, I figured it would be MGMGF, MJF, which they did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I agree with a Jesse set a second ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that the company is way more suited to have a heel world champion right now because of how loaded they are in the baby face side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this so much over on the WWE side of things where,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cody as a baby face champion hasn't had a great long-term feud.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good short-term feud, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But not like a great long-term feud, most of the time while he's been championed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's been a detriment to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's fairly common in wrestling history when you look at the history of the industry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the best champions were heels with baby faces chasing them, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I made a video for Gliture Port yesterday where I talked about this, but like Rick Flair in the 1980s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Heal champion, all the faces chasing him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The rock, you know, in the late 90s, you know, obviously Hollywood Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even Steve Austin never really had a long title run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when he would get the title, they would always be brief.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It tends to be over time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like Hogan's obviously the exception of the 80s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But usually when he these guys chase and they chase and then they get the title, then there's just inevitably this kind of let down and they're, you know, it looks like people are better chasing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hangman's chase was outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You had the title here for several months before he lost it to Smojo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What, well, that's several months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it was like three or four months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the one issue you could have with it is, what was the purpose in dropping it to Joe?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could have just dropped it to MJF and he wasn't really worth having Joe as this kind of transitionary champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just to move it to another heel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that that's a worthy debate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think when you look at, all right, now you could do fudes with hangman, you could do fudes with swir, you could do a few with Kenny Omega who I'm hearing is gonna be in the world title picture again here before too long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, oh, yeah, we'll Osprey come and back next summer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as long as this title run for MMJF doesn't lose steam over the next six months or so, I'd keep it on them all the way up until all in at Wembley and I'd have MJF drop it to Osprey at all in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I would do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think even with AEW, when you look at the history of this promotion, a lot of their most memorable times were with heels on top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Omega's super long run as a heel on top until he eventually dropped it to hang man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Moxley's run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this year we, we bashed at the beginning of the year, but then as the year dragged on, they started recovering and it started to come more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even at the very beginning, Jericho dropping it to Moxley at Revolution 2020, you're all scenarios where you had a heel world champion dropping it, ultimately to a baby face after several months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So from that perspective,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, and Max is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the crowd did cheer him live.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was a split reaction, but people were cheering him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's good enough, though, that I think that even when he gets those cheers in the arena, if you give him microphone time, he can turn the whole crowd against them anyways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's so good that he's like one of those heels, people want to cheer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just also so good that then he can get those people to ultimately boo him, which some people can't do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I was a fan of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have any problems with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just to give me your take.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm right there with you, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have no problem with him kind of hot shot in the title around to your point because they have had a lot of long title reigns.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, that's not necessarily something you need to establish somebody as a top guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I eat, hangman.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I don't know, again, I think I was just so taken a back at some of the online reaction I saw to MJF, like he's like, even people I know who love AEW, like are just not into him at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that is a little odd to me and worrying, like I don't want them to lose all the steam that they've gathered here at the last half of 2025, because they're just on a roll.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now having said that I like the historical point that MJF pointed out that he is, what was it like, he was either the ninth or tenth person,

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[SPEAKER_03]: ever under 30 to be a two-time world champion and he listed all the guys and that's one hell of a fucking list and so I like that part of it and you know and it's kind of the same thing like even if this feels a little rushed getting it to MJF, you know, I talked about this early last year

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[SPEAKER_03]: into account the fact that Tony's probably paying these guys a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he wants to do something big with him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to get his money's worth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So MJF should be at the top of the card.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's proven before he can.

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[SPEAKER_03]: wrestle, many vent matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he's going to need Tony to rain in some of the, you know, the more devilish aspects of his wants and needs as a professional wrestler, many vent or he, if left to his

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know desires it can get bad as we saw at the end of his last title rain but uh now i'm all fortman like there's a lot of great baby faces i'm very intrigued at the possibility of omega mean omega in offspring at all and would be pretty incredible um but no it's like i kind of said that the very beginning this is a to be determined like i i i i

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[SPEAKER_03]: And oh, the one other thing you mentioned about why couldn't they have just had hangman drop the title mjf I like this way using smojo because mjf still hasn't beaten hangman hangman has those two big wins over him this year and they can use that for a big match down the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so good point, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Circle it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: M. J. F. Beatsomoa, Joe at World's End.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two years earlier, some of which will beat M. J. F. World's End.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the footer in six day rain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really now trying to soak in Ryan's point earlier about baby faces being short-term champions for the most part outside of Hogan and things start to get stale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you mentioned Cody Rhodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had it for over a year and his rain was just left to be desired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could be completely squashing the point that I was trying to make with hangman page where I would have loved for him to have like a nine month reign because he finally worked his ass off to get to this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the franchise of the company and what you're looking at now is I don't think he's getting that world title back in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that lead up all the way to that big moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he only held it for four months like what does that drop his stock in some people's eyes as a main character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when they're probably waiting for, I see the name in the chat and nobody knows, we'll last pray better than I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of I think people in this, in this lexicon, if he's healthy, he's probably going to be the one to hunt it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's there's worth, there's hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's Osprey, you mentioned Omega.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'd be a, he's a good opponent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a guy that I want right now at this point of his career to be a world champion again, because he's part time battling health stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a special attraction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And with MJF, yeah, gosh, just nailed it two times under 30.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like Rick Flair's on that list, uh, one of the briskos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a handful of others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just, they're eye popping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a who's who he can go down as a legend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there isn't that type of character like an atom coal or a router extraong that's going to steer MJF off course with something that's to sports entertainment ish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of these stories here in 2026 are going to be pretty serious, especially since we haven't seen an MJF swirv at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on this level in a w. And I think that's something that should get a lot of fans excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when it happens, it's going to be fantastic because they've been playing some parts here and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, there's just so many questions that are unanswered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, just wait and see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't, I'm not sure who would all be on that list for the under 30s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and the rock for four earn was mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Trying to find that tweet and flare and Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it makes it a little difficult.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Flair was in his 30s when he wanted the first to get up while you do it because he's Flair started wrestling a little bit later because I think he first won the title in like 80 to 81.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he was in his early 30s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, there's been it's been quite a few, but like the stat of multiple times under 30.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was looking up Steve Austin's longest title reign was 175 days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like just short of six months out of his six world title run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah,

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[SPEAKER_02]: it's kind of the Norman pro wrestling now i mean you could make the argument to well if you want to heal champion joe could have done the same thing but i think the issue there and we all love some mojo going back year 20 years you know but mjf just has more crossover appeal at this stage and his career he was just you know in the happy gill more sequel and you know he's he's a guy that has crossover appeal so as you're you're wanting to broaden your audience he just he makes sense if you're going to have a heal champion right now

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's a way better than I imagined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lou Thes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky Dozen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shinsuke Nakamura.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kazuchko Kata.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the oddball kind of sort of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't just do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I mean for that short time that he was there, he made an impact and it means a different type of, uh, different type of era back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The rock,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a fucking pretty mega list there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Especially, I mean, and that's why you, I mean, because you know, Tony's, you know, big on wrestling history and MJF turns 30 in March, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like if you're going to kind of shoot for that, do it now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to get, you know, MJF's name amongst those other ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of real quick, I'm not getting paid to plug this, but I look forward to it every year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tony Conscious did this interview with Q101 in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He does it with case low who writes for voices of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My favorite TK interview of the year, every time he interviews him, just like Tony and him like geek out on wrestling history.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just watched it tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys should check that out if you haven't seen it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Watch it's a little

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[SPEAKER_00]: look at the short term, Bandito in two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would not mind just for a quick short term program.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've mentioned this three years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want Eddie Kingston back up there to take on MJF.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, as a short term thing, I like it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We all have Eddie, so tremendous promo battles between those two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a lot more options for views, because if you have it on, you have it on Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where does he go?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_03]: especially with mock seemingly being a baby face now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just one more name to add to that side.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was odd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I was a little surprised by it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also just like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't really seen a baby face response to Moxley coming at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you guys like, I have really just noticed a ground wall of that happening?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just like random.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was literally, it was that last promo he cut after the C2 ended, where he talked about how much the tournament meant and how much it meant for him to try and win it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then all of a sudden, everybody online is like, oh shit, fucking Mox is winning this thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that is all I saw, but even in he was getting maybe face pops in the first match against flesh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The crowd was cheering him big time and it was really interesting because I was watching Brian during all of that, you know, like, here's the guy sitting ringside who this man basically attempted murder on a little bit over a year ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How does he feel about this response?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's on K-Fay, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Brian had just like a serious look on his face the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He never, like, I haven't watched the show back on TV, but he didn't appear to be like cheering moxley at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just looked like very serious throughout the whole thing when the crowd was cheering moxley, especially in the promo afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was some praise for mox on commentary from Brian.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, like the entire thing to me was just weird and didn't fit with the narrative for the past, you know, 12 months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was curious if the commentary would have sold it as like, oh, Chicago fans were kind of bizarre.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: WWE too much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was odd, but like, I mean, some of that was the match making too, because he had him in there with Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hanokata.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Two heels.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, Alice, it was like, all right, he's going to, yeah, he's going to be our guy, I guess, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was surprised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Fletcher was going to beat him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when when Mox won that match, I was like, oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I guess we're not getting the the Carlos family here in the main event, but I mean, I was not surprised at O'Cotta won over Takeshita, but I kind of figured it was going to be Fletcher and O'Cotta.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when Moxley won, it kind of threw a wrench in the whole thing, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean like then Max is cutting that promo after he won it and you know I'm watching the rest of of the death riders like are they going to jump him or is there going to be a turn coming here, but like I think that long term that's probably where they go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's very bizarre.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, we've all been kind of waiting for that, you know, for the deathwriters to explode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it might just be a simple as pack leaving.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then that's it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like pack feuding with the deathwriters and you keep the rest of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: basically babyface, because I mean, everybody that was in that ring, not pack, looks pretty fucking excited for mocks when in there, which, and again, like it just wouldn't make sense, like their leader just won the fucking C2.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why would they like betray him now, you know, other than him kind of turning into a babyface, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the only wrench in that would be like Wheeler to get people to cheer Wheeler is the crowd food hates Wheeler you know I mean the chance of fuck you you are so loud you know that's the crowd getting behind Marina for sure I mean she's a badass but Wheeler might be a little harder to get the crowd behind him do you know it would be kind of cool

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[SPEAKER_03]: if like they did a split, packs splits off, maybe you to join some, and they do like a red and white, deathwriters in a black and red deathwriters?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like a deathwriters' wolf pack?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, not for the death writers, but I saw it somewhere else on some other thing that people were commenting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was with the Don Callous family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody was trying to do that exact same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just laughed at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you want?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, caught a fletcher and to cash it against everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just watch the black and white, like a Horus Hogan or Lance Archer playing in the role of a Hoke Horus Hogan against to cash it a and fletcher?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: bring back a sea murder to do the theme song, then he'd do the walk back theme.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about Gabe Kid in this situation, too?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Easy for him to go heal, so you could do like a hack Gabe Kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wheeler situation against the rest.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, it just the entire thing felt way too rushed to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It just wasn't earned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was definitely strange in the audience, but again, I guess I wasn't that surprised given the opponents, and you know, Moxby and that kind of long-term standard Barron AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, they kind of made it happen just by the matchmaking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess for me it's just like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the person with the most great matches in the C2 was Kyle Fletcher, and Ocada doesn't really need to win it two years in a row to catch just as the New Japan World champ.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I just, I would have gone with Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you know, and again, maybe they were looking for that surprise, a holy shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think a part of it is a little bit of a reward from Tony Khan, two mocks for being kind of that soldier who shows up every single show, you know, and who's the ace of the company.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But man, I just think Fletcher winning to me would have been more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, again, kind of the same with MJF, like, I don't dislike it because I'm open to see what this company will do with Mox as the Continental Champion, but to me, it's just not quite as interesting as if it would have been Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that was my prediction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I saw it going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, they surprised me no question about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did I wanted to shout someone out on this podcast because I ran into him at the show and he's probably going to be listening So right before the show and we're going to talk about the rest of the majesty in a second, but before I forget right before the show started I was walking in my seat and Someone like tap me on the shoulder and they're like, hey, are you Ryan?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was Chris Sabel who's a patron of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've been, yeah, I've been in like a AEW fantasy league with him for a couple of years that he runs Aaron Graham, our good friend introduced me to him and not in person, but like online to do the AEW fantasy league and he ended up joining.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, ended up joining as a patron.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe he's bought one of our shirts at least to super cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Got, Matt, he had a sweet T-wall starter jacket on, just appreciated like a retro one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was very cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I wanted to shout that out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't forget that it was cool to see Chris there and run into one of our patrons in person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, thank you for your continued support.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris, it was really cool to see you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about the women, I guess a little bit here, I don't really have much on the the Chicago Street fight, you know, that match was just kind of there for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, to my point at the very beginning of the podcast, that's kind of my issue with the rest of this card is outside of the C2.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the main event, all of the rest just feels like kind of obvious who's going to win filler or remaining list like you just I wasn't buying any of the other titles changing hands because I think they got bigger things coming up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it was just all time killer to me for the third year in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because of the C2 focus was 85% of your TV the last month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had that in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They tried to hotshot that lander and hater and the rest of it was just filler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we don't fault Tony Khan for throwing the C2 at us for the last month because that was that was the best wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen the 2025 I do that every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care, but just expect in on the other end of things for 2026's worlds and that it probably won't be that good because the focus was on the 12 men that wrestling that classic

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it was pretty uninspired tag team championship match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't a huge fan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the match was fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just wasn't that exciting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, my girls were super excited for that women's match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Babes of Wrath are super over right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, seeing Mercedes in a theme out there together was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was, that was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crowd was very, very into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I liked the the promo that they they cut later to set up Mercedes and Willow This this Wednesday night at Dynamite, which I believe are friend in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tim's gonna be at that show on Omaha So that's shaping out to be pretty good new years Dynamite tomorrow night And you know you mentioned satellite or Jamie Hader.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really liked that match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was fun match Sorry for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It probably be

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[SPEAKER_03]: third for matches of the night for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, really liked it, but it's just like, I love watching her wrestle, but I have no emotional connection to statlander.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's just like, she just doesn't feel like as big of a star as, you know, obviously Tony Storm and Mercedes, and I'm not as interested in her as a character like I am willow or Harley, so it's just like the match was just kind of there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I out there to you, Jesse and I was just saying, I just have this curiosity factor like watching Jamie Hayter because just a couple of years ago, she was one of the most over-women on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's just kind of fascinating to watch her trying to like build herself back up to that level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She got a really good response from the crowd and I think she's always great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a matter of recapturing that moment to just go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I think Jamie Hater's worthy of it very, very soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to try something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost impossible for anyone to step in the shoes and be the world champion after Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Mercedes Monet, who's basically one B, like those are the two best women from a character and in-ring perspective going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to try something they've they've had something with stat lander for the last five years a problem is she's been injured every here and there You're right tremendous inring stuff just the characters not connecting so you moved to 2026 I think the person I'm looking at we could be forecasting this later is if she develops a character too I totally see Megan Bane being the AWS women's champion in 2026

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's working her ass off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's working all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think she's tremendous as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say this for Stattlander, outstanding theme song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that song just is a banger in person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had it in my head all night long after here in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's awesome song, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did the same one that she used with Stokely?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or is that a different one?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She debuted at the night she won the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, that was kind of our first sign that they might have big things ahead of for her because she's got a new theme, but yeah, I mean, I don't think the result was surprising, there was that crazy spot out of the corner that we've seen, you know, the people online that want to know who driver.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that people want to bash about being unsafe, but I thought she cradled her head, you know, it was, it was look brutal in person.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't look bad at all, especially compared to the mocks and fledger spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just seen it all over Twitter and so I mean, it looks bad, but it was safe for Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was safe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In person, I couldn't see how close her had, you know, if it turned or not, it looked crazy in person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, that was a cool spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mitch, you know, could dry out off the top rope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, otherwise not surprise at all by the result there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go back to a real fast just to Max Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about the two

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know how it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me, trap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you want to try Justin?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, when you watch it, it looks like nothing happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the spot where Fletcher had Mox's leg trapped in the steel guardrail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kicked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Mox got out of it somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he just went for a simple tap like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mox hit his mouth right on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Toothwinds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so his mouth for like three seconds, he was with everybody thought he was selling it, then he gets in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could see blood and then he starts looking like a hockey player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean chat out to chat out to my people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People were talking about in the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see where it happened, you know, obviously being there and haven't watched it back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People in the crowd are like, oh my god, it used a tooth and then I was pointing out the girls in the video screen that, yeah, you know, chum-tax, spike bats, barbed wire forks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy's been indestructible except for a simple little slam to some steel steps and knocks out chips of tooth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, man, as someone who once knocked out his two front teeth on his bike, I can empathize with them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy stuff happens, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but no, yeah, that's the match that I for sure mix nuts may him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I want to make a point about this because it was a super fun match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Tony mentioned in that interview with the Chicago radio station I was talking about here a little bit ago that the spot with

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tony dancing with orange Cassidy TK said that was his dad's favorite moment of the night his dad was there watching the show and stuff like that makes him realize that you know not every wrestling van is the same and they don't all go there for the same thing and you got to kind of cater to everybody you know a little bit and he also talked about how he books dynamite as more of a show that will draw in more of a wider ranging audience whereas

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he also made the point that said, you know, if you're really filing a W, collision is not a skippable show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to watch it to really understand what's happening in the company, but that is his wrestling for a word show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he talked about, you know, again, like he called back to, I don't want to spoil the whole interview because you guys should really check it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He talked about how he went this ECW show with his dad back in the mid 90s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His dad took him to it when he was like 13 or something like that, and how like his dad's favorite thing was the Sandman's entrance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he was there, you know, to see the work great guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that made him know from a young young period in his fandom that like, that's the great thing about pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody likes something a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, this from his interview with Q101 in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys can check that out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said his dad really like the dance spot with orange Cassidy and Antonio Storm and I've seen people like putting that video out there on Twitter and all the places like, oh, what a joke this is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The same people who loved the neat, second entrance during war games, the same freaking people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, will you have to keep in mind as context matters?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause we came on here and we bash that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can even either on Blitra border here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's because War Games is inherently a violent match, so for everyone to stop in the middle of the match and to start eating was stupid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was a goofy mixed tag match where like doing that doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't take away from the premise of the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and it was it falls in line with the two people in their characters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course Orange and Tony are going to do something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's called the mix nuts tag matter for the reason nuts mayhem.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, kind of like fucking hangman and swirp.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it a phenomenal work rate match?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it wasn't supposed to be, but I mean, it was it was a fun match, man I I liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The crowd loved the Tony store more Cassie spot And that's really all it matters In the end and not just the crowd, but the people watching on TV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I assume didn't think it was stupid

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I know again at Survivor Series, a lot of people watching are like, what the hell is this the middle of work games, but here it's like, yeah, it makes sense in context and it's fine, whatever, yeah, I'm like a pity, but I laughed yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, I did than that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think if there was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: any other points I wanted to make just from being their life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was a, I know it was the biggest crowd they've done at now arena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It surpassed all out 24, had a higher number than that did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it appeared to be sold out from where I was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There might have been a couple of seats at the very top of the upper deck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's always hard to tell if people are just out of their seats or not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much seems sold out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we were there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Jesse was at all out 22 that we went together and I mean, man, that was packed crowd too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know which nine nine thousand that night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was about nine thousand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was basically a capacity crowd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Merch line was insane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did stand in line, you know, with my kids to get them something, but man, the Merch line was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say,

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[SPEAKER_02]: As in Arena, because they're similar sizes, I still, I've said this in the show before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In Chicago, if you wanna run that size on Arena, like about a 10,000 Zeterina, I do think Wind Trust is a much better arena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's downtown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Selfishly though, for this trip, when I wanted to get back quickly, and this is way, this is an hour outside of downtown if you've never been to Hoffman, a States Illinois.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This worked out better for me cause I needed to get back early in the morning, the next day going west.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, I mean, as a venue wind trust is nicer, it's newer, there's more to do around there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, there's a lot of history in the Serena for this company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's always fun to go to the Naurina.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys have any thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_02]: For a move on to our wrestling awards talk here for the last, I don't know, 20 to 30 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm good, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I've been a lot of talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had the sports illustrated awards, which got everybody talking my old workplace by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk a little bit about that because I have some insight on how that all works over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're going to have the observer awards, you know, all the outlets are doing this podcast are doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've done it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've done full shows on wrestling awards in the past year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I put out for our patrons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went through because if you're not a patron, again, that's where you support our show link in the description.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I grade all the paper views, WWE and AEW site.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went back yesterday and I pulled all of the matches that I scored four and a half or above, which actually was exactly 10 matches this year, so that worked out perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 8 or 8 of you matches, two or WWE matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can look at that list and without having to revisit them, because I scored them in the moment, kind of pull what I think were the matches of the year, the shows of the year all of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I can look at

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[SPEAKER_02]: which wrestlers, you know, I had the most on the men's and women's side, make that list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And quite honestly, it came out pretty damn close to what Sports Illustrated came up with for their men's and women's wrestlers of the year, show the year all of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And let me just assure you, I think most of the people listening to this show wouldn't say this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No sports illustrated is not paid by AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I work there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not how it works.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love work in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the editor I work for is an awesome guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I stopped writing there just because time constraints with my millions of jobs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love, I'm, I don't know, who knows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll try to work there again in the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a great group of people over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Our friends, Zach, you know, we got John Alboz over there doing a lot now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He started right after me there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's all on the, it's on the level you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not being paid by AW and I don't even understand how people could criticize what those awards are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we basically would fill out a Google form anonymously and then you would tally it and that's the results.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, like they came up with Mercedes as their women's wrestler of the year and hang man as the men's wrestler of the year, if I'm not mistaken.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, what was their match of the year, because that was like the one thing that WWE won, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was it was it was it the women's triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that was in my top 10.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would not be my match of the year, but it wasn't my match of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was not the last one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's match of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but it was a it wasn't outstanding match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was my top 10 for the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know personally,

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[SPEAKER_02]: My women's wrestler of the year would be Mercedes-Mune.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think, top to bottom, work in all the different promotions, all the titles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she had the best year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tony Storm as a performer is the best women's wrestler for me right now, at least in North America.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but I think Mercedes just had a better year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Personally, I got just top to bottom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were, it's basically one A and one B. I would lean Mercedes just by a little bit, but I could go with either one of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: EO, sky, you know, she was in that triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrestle maniac, she had the surprise title run that people weren't really seeing coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had a great year in the ring too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to me, I mean, I think Tony and Mercedes are on a whole different level than that, as far as women's wrestling goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would lean Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she had a hell of a year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you guys think for women's wrestler?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, to me, it's Tony's store in buy a mile.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not really even close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Buy a mile, not even close.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not even close for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She easily had, if not, the match of the year, easily the best women's match of the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She has pulled off a character that absolutely should not work as a main event character and she has been able to do it not only in her promos, but in the ring that shines through is just, to me, she had the most impossible task and fucking knocked it out of the

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, the match with Mariah May, the match with Mercedes Monet at all in was a hoot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, she, I shouldn't, she more than any other wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely not turning the channel and she's on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just because I don't know what the fuck she's gonna say, I know in a match, she's gonna work her ass off and she's gonna work her ass off in her own unique way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas I feel like with all the other elite wrestlers, I kind of usually have a pretty good idea as to what their matches are gonna look like, but she is just so unpredictable and fun to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely lover.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, again, I could be persuaded either way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's super, it's, I wouldn't say by a mile either direction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For me, it's, it's like a toss-up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some days I might say Tony, like Tony had two matches in my top 10, Mercedes just had one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was the match they had together at all in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Murai and Tony was my highest court women's match of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, yeah, the first half of the year, there's no question I think Tony was blowing it away, then I think Mercedes came on late.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I, I mean, I could be convinced either way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those two for sure for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A simple yet complex question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the criteria for a wrestler of the year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want to know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I only answer your question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think match quality importance to the show star power, charisma, drawing power, all that, but go ahead, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then it's a landslide now, but no, so you got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, we don't throw that one in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you throw all of that, then it's by a nose, it's Tony Storm for me, for the reasons that that Justin mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Mercedes definitely has the better work rate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel if you go the full year long in spite of the fact

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[SPEAKER_00]: the best women's match of the year and yeah, who in the hell can pull off a character like that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, almost universally she's loved by wrestling audiences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's it's one A one B very, very tough, but by that criteria, by a nose, I go Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I guess to put

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[SPEAKER_03]: but Tony had more great matches and more memorable promos up and down the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fair, yeah, that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I only gave two matches this year, the full five stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was Moriah and Tony, which I still think is the best women's storyline ever in a pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that, I might be rethink this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that should be telling you at the top of me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's so close because a couple of days ago, I was leaning Tony and then I was like, man, Mercedes had a hell of a run this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She doing the Altamo Monet stuff and all the titles and working all over the world and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then I started to give the edge to her, but man,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, it was early in the year, but that feud went back into last year, so you kind of got to factor that in a little bit, but man, that was, it, I said it on our review.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys are going to go in the archives.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like the best work rate match of all time, but it was like, perfect, absolutely perfect for what it should have been.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, given the story they told, the way it ended, everything along the way, it was like one of the most perfect women's matches I've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: spoiler spoiler alert out there and TRN unplugged land as I do these 52 matches next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only 20 25 match I'm doing is Mariah Mayvers is Tony.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just phenomenal stuff and the other five star match for me was hangman and moxley at all and I get that one five stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But man, you look at that revolution card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that show was unreal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that those three matches, by the way, happened in sequence with Moriah and Tony.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to Keste and Omega and Osprey and Fletcher in that steel cage match, all three of those matches were in my top 10 squad of the year, and they were all in the same show in sequence.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, revolution is the best show of the year, just because of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's my show of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, three of the top 10 matches on the same show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My hand, if Moxon Cope could have just had even a few.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then that was the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The ultimate come down, but man, dude,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was yeah, just a pretty absolutely crazy show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean hangman and I'll spray a double or nothing It was like four and a half on that that was freaking awesome match to that's in my top 10

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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, if Osprey didn't get injured, you know, I mean, he might have been in this conversation for men's wrestler the years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get to our men's wrestler the eye.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said it to me a tang band page.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was the most captivating all year had the best story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the premier guys in AEW, he had three matches in my top 10 for the year, which was more than anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Osprey had two, Tony had two, Fletcher had two,

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[SPEAKER_02]: So outstanding matches, importance to the company, storyline, just hell, man, like that promo he did at Dynamite down in Mexico City.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like one of the most memorable promos of the year two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a me, hey, my page is the mens rest or the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like you agreed Justin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Buck yeah, I mean, to me, just like 20, 25 will be, it's just all about him and Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, Jesse at the beginning of the pod, you're talking about how you wish, hang man, it had a longer run with the title to really establish him, but it's like, even more than winning the title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that feud and that win in that short reign established him as a capital G guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he is a true blue main eventor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he doesn't really need the title in order to carry himself like that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not an easy thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, for a long time we thought,

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was going to be Darby in that spot for all in, but, you know, luckily they got to the right guy, and he knocked it out of the park.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What Ryan, what was the third match with hangman?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, hangman, mock, hangman, hangman, fletcher at all out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I mean, it's just, yeah, I mean, beginning to end all year, hangman, just like Tony, can do it in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and can do it on the mic, all in character, it all makes sense, just chef's kiss of a year for hanging that out in a page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bold, not so bold prediction, your 2021 sixth wrestler of the year is gonna be Kyle Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2025, it was hanging in page for all the reasons you guys have listed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's, I think he kind of ran away with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, there's not a one A one B on the men's side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just he had just an unbelievable year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, do you want to talk about promotion of the year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I know you're leaning WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: CMLL?

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[SPEAKER_02]: podcast content.

58:48.879 --> 58:50.561
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he does a phenomenal job over.

58:50.621 --> 58:52.985
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not factoring in that in my top matches.

58:53.005 --> 58:59.354
[SPEAKER_02]: You were we're talking North American wrestling, uh, more United States wrestling, I should say, where I'm we're not talking really Mexico too much.

58:59.394 --> 59:00.596
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't watch a lot of CMLL.

59:00.676 --> 59:01.717
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I had more time too.

59:02.999 --> 59:04.141
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, no, man.

59:04.161 --> 59:09.409
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when you look at WWE AEW, and I mean, New Japan's not going to be promotion the year this year.

59:09.529 --> 59:11.011
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to me, it's AEW.

59:11.091 --> 59:13.875
[SPEAKER_02]: They've had an unreal year creatively

59:14.125 --> 59:20.014
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you'll get your corporate stands on Twitter and wherever threads talking about.

59:20.034 --> 59:21.056
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about?

59:21.837 --> 59:23.740
[SPEAKER_02]: WWE made the most money.

59:23.760 --> 59:28.467
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, who the hell grades wrestling on?

59:28.527 --> 59:32.213
[SPEAKER_02]: Who makes the most, what kind of fan are you that's what you're grading on?

59:33.034 --> 59:37.220
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, I had responded in our Twitter account to somebody who was talking about that the other day.

59:37.300 --> 59:43.069
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, do you believe that the Oscars should be decided by box office?

59:43.049 --> 59:46.556
[SPEAKER_02]: So then you just give best picture every year to whichever picture made the most money.

59:46.616 --> 59:48.721
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not how it works in like any art form.

59:49.202 --> 59:50.124
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not how it works.

59:50.304 --> 59:53.170
[SPEAKER_02]: It's who creatively had the best year.

59:53.831 --> 59:58.240
[SPEAKER_02]: And do we have ban at times high on WWE, especially Jessie and I?

59:58.701 --> 01:00:00.585
[SPEAKER_02]: They did not have a good year.

01:00:00.650 --> 01:00:03.033
[SPEAKER_02]: Hunter's booking was not good this year.

01:00:03.073 --> 01:00:08.040
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we find out that a couple of years ago, Vince was still booking the fucking show.

01:00:08.100 --> 01:00:10.262
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like we said, he probably was.

01:00:10.463 --> 01:00:11.504
[SPEAKER_02]: That has now come out.

01:00:11.884 --> 01:00:14.167
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks to some work that, uh, restlinomics did.

01:00:14.808 --> 01:00:19.815
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, Vince was still around during the time when people were given triple H's flowers.

01:00:20.656 --> 01:00:22.438
[SPEAKER_02]: This year, triple H,

01:00:22.739 --> 01:00:23.921
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he didn't cut it.

01:00:24.141 --> 01:00:28.329
[SPEAKER_02]: AW had an awesome year pretty much top to bottom.

01:00:28.509 --> 01:00:34.159
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you are a hardcore wrestling fan, I don't know how you're not into this program right now.

01:00:34.299 --> 01:00:36.403
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't, I don't understand it.

01:00:36.744 --> 01:00:43.836
[SPEAKER_02]: They're, if you are a long time fan going back as many years as we are to the 1980s,

01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:46.425
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what we want out of a wrestling promotion.

01:00:47.007 --> 01:00:50.957
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, they've had downturns at times over the years.

01:00:51.238 --> 01:00:52.200
[SPEAKER_02]: This year was not one of them.

01:00:52.641 --> 01:00:56.090
[SPEAKER_02]: Creatively, top to bottom, one of their best television years of all time.

01:00:56.271 --> 01:00:57.133
[SPEAKER_02]: In their short history.

01:00:58.868 --> 01:01:01.351
[SPEAKER_00]: It has had its flaws this year in 2025.

01:01:01.471 --> 01:01:02.612
[SPEAKER_00]: No promotions, perfect.

01:01:02.852 --> 01:01:07.958
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I think in terms of how as Ryan said, a professional resting promotion should be constructed.

01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.761
[SPEAKER_00]: The answer is all elite wrestling.

01:01:11.602 --> 01:01:16.608
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ryan made a point earlier about Chad and Tony Khan being in the ECW arena.

01:01:17.088 --> 01:01:22.655
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tony was fascinated by the wrestling, but it was still took to tune with the theatrics of it all.

01:01:22.735 --> 01:01:27.340
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel that you get the entire buffet.

01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:28.503
[SPEAKER_00]: with all the lead wrestling.

01:01:28.603 --> 01:01:30.868
[SPEAKER_00]: They give you the wrestling.

01:01:31.329 --> 01:01:33.354
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the most important part of the end of the day.

01:01:33.614 --> 01:01:35.198
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the wrestling.

01:01:35.579 --> 01:01:37.483
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but don't really get that anywhere else.

01:01:38.325 --> 01:01:39.367
[SPEAKER_00]: But they do the stories too.

01:01:39.788 --> 01:01:45.160
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the most ridiculous argument you'll see online is that they just do wrestling.

01:01:45.140 --> 01:01:48.249
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they give you the best wrestling in the ring.

01:01:48.831 --> 01:01:57.215
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but accidentally talking about 2025, they buy far, gave you the best stories to go along with the best wrestling.

01:01:57.576 --> 01:01:58.980
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't imagine

01:01:59.450 --> 01:02:01.272
[SPEAKER_03]: not watching AW.

01:02:01.733 --> 01:02:09.821
[SPEAKER_02]: If you care at all about professional wrestling, do you know what the equivalent of that is just in to bring this full circle to the beginning of this podcast?

01:02:09.841 --> 01:02:16.729
[SPEAKER_02]: The equivalent is the people who comment on like football or basketball that are clearly stat watchers that don't watch the games.

01:02:17.630 --> 01:02:20.393
[SPEAKER_02]: And they say stuff like, what are you talking about?

01:02:20.473 --> 01:02:25.018
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, well,

01:02:24.998 --> 01:02:30.163
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you watched the games, you know, like if you actually, these people are like, oh, maybe I'll go to Cage match.

01:02:30.263 --> 01:02:32.225
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, look at all these four star matches or whatever.

01:02:32.285 --> 01:02:34.067
[SPEAKER_02]: But Med, who's your new stories there?

01:02:34.127 --> 01:02:35.188
[SPEAKER_02]: I never heard you any about that.

01:02:35.488 --> 01:02:37.150
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're not actually like watching the shows.

01:02:37.911 --> 01:02:38.511
[SPEAKER_02]: A.W.

01:02:38.631 --> 01:02:42.115
[SPEAKER_02]: tells some of the most intricate stories of any promotion.

01:02:42.875 --> 01:02:50.803
[SPEAKER_02]: They call back stuff that happened years ago, and they don't punish you for it, like WWE does, who wants you to forget stuff that happens.

01:02:50.918 --> 01:02:55.869
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you just, you guys talked about like the history of Samoa Joe and MJ have a world's end at the beginning.

01:02:55.949 --> 01:02:57.994
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that factored them to the booking decisions.

01:02:58.014 --> 01:02:58.535
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

01:02:58.555 --> 01:03:05.189
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, versus WWE, they want you to forget stuff and the stuff they want you to remember, they will beat you over the head with.

01:03:05.209 --> 01:03:09.619
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and they will, they will try to suppress any other memories you have.

01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:14.224
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, this is a promotion that tells the most sophisticated stories I would argue.

01:03:14.504 --> 01:03:17.307
[SPEAKER_02]: And God damn, look at that Mariah May Tony storm story.

01:03:17.327 --> 01:03:18.848
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the best stories of all time.

01:03:18.868 --> 01:03:25.154
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at Hangman pages entire run going back to 2019 and the ups and downs.

01:03:25.195 --> 01:03:29.659
[SPEAKER_02]: He has had traveling to the title on two different occasions, right?

01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:32.602
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they, they, they definitely tell stories.

01:03:32.682 --> 01:03:35.365
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone that says that is not worth your time listening to them.

01:03:35.385 --> 01:03:36.386
[SPEAKER_02]: They think they don't tell stories.

01:03:36.766 --> 01:03:38.728
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's rushed.

01:03:39.350 --> 01:03:47.622
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think they're telling the right story with Mox, you know, the story's rushed, but it's there.

01:03:48.158 --> 01:03:56.586
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man, I'm shocked by anybody who can throw that out there, who can spew that kind of bullshit.

01:03:56.727 --> 01:03:58.749
[SPEAKER_03]: Your fucking Peter Rose and Bergs of the world.

01:03:59.569 --> 01:04:00.550
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:00.570 --> 01:04:04.154
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Storm and Mariah May's whole feud in how it culminated.

01:04:04.554 --> 01:04:06.016
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the best woman story over.

01:04:06.076 --> 01:04:06.356
[SPEAKER_00]: Told.

01:04:07.317 --> 01:04:12.242
[SPEAKER_00]: We're looking forward to seeing how the Don Callis family finally breaks up in 2026.

01:04:12.322 --> 01:04:15.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that story and how that's been going since the last.

01:04:15.105 --> 01:04:18.148
[SPEAKER_03]: Mercedes Monet falling apart here at the end of the year.

01:04:19.968 --> 01:04:20.469
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

01:04:21.871 --> 01:04:27.560
[SPEAKER_02]: Who would be your, I think this is probably going to be pretty one-sided, but who would be your breakout performer of 2,000 and 25?

01:04:28.061 --> 01:04:32.508
[SPEAKER_02]: Either you can go first.

01:04:33.409 --> 01:04:33.730
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a.

01:04:34.892 --> 01:04:35.973
[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of tough.

01:04:36.033 --> 01:04:38.297
[SPEAKER_03]: Like my recent sea bias.

01:04:38.986 --> 01:04:44.672
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, wants to say Kevin Knight, just from where he went at the beginning of the year to now.

01:04:46.294 --> 01:04:48.416
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think the answer is probably Fletcher.

01:04:48.857 --> 01:04:49.938
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:04:49.958 --> 01:04:55.324
[SPEAKER_03]: But it felt like he was already on this trajectory before the year started.

01:04:55.564 --> 01:05:04.234
[SPEAKER_03]: When you know, when he got the big win over Osprey at the end of last year, yeah, it felt like he was already

01:05:04.585 --> 01:05:10.097
[SPEAKER_03]: heading in that direction or on that level, which is the only reason I wouldn't give it to him.

01:05:10.137 --> 01:05:13.323
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, he's probably the answer to to that point though.

01:05:13.845 --> 01:05:21.160
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, when we did that show, I believe the title of the show for Full Gear last year was Kyle Fletcher is a made man.

01:05:21.562 --> 01:05:26.088
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember I had people tweet me in commenting like, what are you talking about?

01:05:26.108 --> 01:05:28.331
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a made man just from being wheel lost, right?

01:05:28.711 --> 01:05:30.794
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what happened in 2025?

01:05:31.194 --> 01:05:34.578
[SPEAKER_02]: That match absolutely cemented him as a made man.

01:05:34.618 --> 01:05:42.729
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess to your point, Justin, like people maybe weren't buying it at the time because that's why I got those comments, but then he proved it in 2025.

01:05:42.769 --> 01:05:44.110
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that argument.

01:05:44.130 --> 01:05:46.253
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for me, for me, it's flutter, I think.

01:05:47.161 --> 01:05:52.627
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesse, I'm trying to rack my brain with a contrarian answer now.

01:05:52.887 --> 01:05:56.592
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to give a special shot out this guy broke out a long ass time ago.

01:05:57.413 --> 01:06:05.141
[SPEAKER_00]: Ricochet, AEW National Champion, and the heel work that he's done in 2025, like Kudos to that man for reinventing his career.

01:06:05.161 --> 01:06:09.766
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to reinvent the re-inventing their character of the year award, Ricochet.

01:06:09.786 --> 01:06:10.848
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean outside of that.

01:06:10.988 --> 01:06:11.188
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:11.368 --> 01:06:11.989
[SPEAKER_00]: Fletcher for sure.

01:06:12.409 --> 01:06:12.770
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:06:12.790 --> 01:06:14.772
[SPEAKER_02]: Ricochet has been awesome since he jumped.

01:06:16.237 --> 01:06:26.292
[SPEAKER_03]: If just I just had a morbid curiosity because I don't fucking watch that one, but, you know, that crap, but who would your breakout star of WWE be?

01:06:27.233 --> 01:06:28.014
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Hoffman nailed it.

01:06:29.757 --> 01:06:30.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie the care.

01:06:34.564 --> 01:06:39.932
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, breakers had a pretty good year too, but yeah, I'd probably wouldn't Stephanie the care.

01:06:41.971 --> 01:07:07.371
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's been tremendous over on on the raw side of things because yeah, I we've been talking about all year all of those 40 somethings that are still at the top of the car like who's who's bound to like breakthrough and become something and Brian just seems to be it.

01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:09.587
[SPEAKER_02]: from where she was a year ago.

01:07:09.687 --> 01:07:11.698
[SPEAKER_02]: I think on the AEW side, for sure.

01:07:11.759 --> 01:07:13.529
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's come a long way since.

01:07:14.092 --> 01:07:16.163
[SPEAKER_02]: God, Tim and I went to,

01:07:16.379 --> 01:07:18.342
[SPEAKER_02]: Dynamite a couple of years ago at the wind trust.

01:07:19.044 --> 01:07:28.360
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was when she was just, she did the promo that night with the acclaimed or bones was like, I'm gay, what are you talking about?

01:07:28.420 --> 01:07:29.402
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not looking at you.

01:07:29.422 --> 01:07:30.183
[SPEAKER_00]: That was that show.

01:07:30.223 --> 01:07:35.152
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she was doing like the obnoxious singing, like look how far she's come from that.

01:07:35.753 --> 01:07:37.877
[SPEAKER_02]: She's wrestling now in a tag team champion.

01:07:37.917 --> 01:07:39.720
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a crazy turnaround.

01:07:40.122 --> 01:07:45.329
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give a very high honorable mention to Bandito for breakout performer of the year as well.

01:07:45.589 --> 01:07:53.319
[SPEAKER_03]: One I thought of too, like he's been on this level, but it feels like breakout just because of the spotlight he's been given, you know?

01:07:53.379 --> 01:07:59.967
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been a fucking incredible wrestler for a while now, but man, yeah, it does feel like he leveled up this year.

01:08:00.147 --> 01:08:00.688
[SPEAKER_03]: Great song.

01:08:01.349 --> 01:08:01.589
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:01.970 --> 01:08:02.530
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I go.

01:08:02.671 --> 01:08:03.852
[SPEAKER_00]: One B. Yeah.

01:08:05.063 --> 01:08:07.568
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, let's see, yeah, show with you.

01:08:07.628 --> 01:08:08.751
[SPEAKER_02]: I said revolution for me.

01:08:08.831 --> 01:08:10.675
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys have answers on that?

01:08:12.098 --> 01:08:21.317
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's tough to match that three match run that you talked about earlier, but the most fun I had all year was all in.

01:08:22.478 --> 01:08:32.832
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, did top to bottom that was probably not the best show, but there were still a lot of great matches and it felt huge and it felt important.

01:08:33.854 --> 01:08:40.843
[SPEAKER_03]: And it kicked WW in the nuts a little bit, which, you know, I gotta give a little bit extra bonus points too.

01:08:40.943 --> 01:08:42.585
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, for me it's all in.

01:08:42.866 --> 01:08:45.369
[SPEAKER_02]: You mean you weren't super invested in Goldberg's return?

01:08:46.030 --> 01:08:48.694
[SPEAKER_02]: I told you if it wasn't that the day the Goldberg's return?

01:08:49.054 --> 01:08:50.056
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there it is made of that.

01:08:50.356 --> 01:08:51.017
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you remember?

01:08:51.824 --> 01:08:53.808
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to cover that, too, by the way.

01:08:53.828 --> 01:08:54.088
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:08:55.451 --> 01:09:00.120
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I had two matches from all and we're on my, they were on my top 10.

01:09:00.861 --> 01:09:04.208
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, it's, I'm just, I'm scanning it here again.

01:09:04.268 --> 01:09:08.616
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the only other show that had multiple matches in my top 10, four and a half stars above.

01:09:08.676 --> 01:09:12.263
[SPEAKER_02]: That one was Tony and Mercedes, Hangman and Moxley.

01:09:12.243 --> 01:09:16.191
[SPEAKER_02]: a 4.5 and a 5 star match according to my rankings.

01:09:16.211 --> 01:09:18.676
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, personal preference, you might see them differently.

01:09:19.398 --> 01:09:20.781
[SPEAKER_02]: And then revolution with the 3.

01:09:20.801 --> 01:09:25.611
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a 5 and a 4.5 and I had a 4.3 quarter on that show.

01:09:26.536 --> 01:09:27.678
[SPEAKER_02]: Both phenomenal shows.

01:09:28.599 --> 01:09:31.263
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just all in stuck to landing.

01:09:31.683 --> 01:09:35.589
[SPEAKER_03]: We're as they devolution just dropped a little nugget.

01:09:37.832 --> 01:09:38.994
[SPEAKER_02]: Both of the five star match.

01:09:39.014 --> 01:09:41.778
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my only two five star matches of the year were those two shows.

01:09:44.542 --> 01:09:44.622
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.

01:09:44.642 --> 01:09:44.742
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:44.762 --> 01:09:46.765
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of a sicko in this aspect.

01:09:47.126 --> 01:09:48.628
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go double or nothing here.

01:09:49.385 --> 01:09:50.426
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

01:09:50.446 --> 01:09:50.847
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, man.

01:09:50.867 --> 01:09:51.368
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not spray.

01:09:51.588 --> 01:09:55.894
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Ricochet, Mark Briscoe, in the ambulance match.

01:09:57.997 --> 01:10:05.687
[SPEAKER_00]: Speedball Bailey and Kazuchka Okada in an unreal continental class or continental championship match.

01:10:05.747 --> 01:10:08.291
[SPEAKER_00]: The anarchy in the arena was very fun.

01:10:08.351 --> 01:10:12.777
[SPEAKER_00]: We were pooping the hell out of that before it was shown and we loved it.

01:10:14.444 --> 01:10:18.449
[SPEAKER_00]: All four of those matches were close to revolution.

01:10:19.149 --> 01:10:23.474
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just loved the Hangman Osprey match for kind of the old school field that it had.

01:10:23.595 --> 01:10:24.896
[SPEAKER_00]: It had that Japanese flavor.

01:10:25.297 --> 01:10:30.983
[SPEAKER_00]: Similar to what I saw from Ohkata and Moxley other night, I loved that match and not many people did.

01:10:31.764 --> 01:10:35.068
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just pull up my ratings on the Patreon for that show.

01:10:36.129 --> 01:10:37.771
[SPEAKER_02]: Hangman Osprey four and a half.

01:10:37.791 --> 01:10:41.295
[SPEAKER_02]: The matches you mentioned, Anarchy in the Arena gave four and a quarter.

01:10:41.444 --> 01:10:43.246
[SPEAKER_02]: O'Cotton Bailey, I gave four.

01:10:43.907 --> 01:10:46.590
[SPEAKER_02]: I also gave Mercedes and Jamie Hayder for on that show.

01:10:46.910 --> 01:10:47.431
[SPEAKER_02]: That opens.

01:10:47.631 --> 01:10:47.911
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

01:10:48.372 --> 01:10:49.373
[SPEAKER_02]: That was really good.

01:10:49.813 --> 01:10:50.073
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:10:52.396 --> 01:10:54.498
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what else is pretty high.

01:10:54.518 --> 01:10:54.979
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:10:56.160 --> 01:10:57.081
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:10:57.101 --> 01:10:57.582
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:10:57.602 --> 01:10:58.042
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:10:58.062 --> 01:10:59.223
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:10:59.323 --> 01:10:59.924
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:00.285 --> 01:11:00.885
[SPEAKER_00]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:00.905 --> 01:11:01.546
[SPEAKER_00]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:01.566 --> 01:11:02.987
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:03.007 --> 01:11:04.469
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:04.509 --> 01:11:05.230
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:05.410 --> 01:11:06.011
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:06.031 --> 01:11:07.072
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:07.172 --> 01:11:08.433
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:08.513 --> 01:11:09.014
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:09.094 --> 01:11:09.915
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick and Jay.

01:11:10.351 --> 01:11:12.834
[SPEAKER_02]: done in a Phoenix this year I believe it was.

01:11:12.914 --> 01:11:13.174
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:11:14.396 --> 01:11:16.298
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to see double or nothing return to Vegas.

01:11:16.438 --> 01:11:19.581
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look selfishly, I'd just like to have an excuse to go out there for it again.

01:11:20.142 --> 01:11:24.467
[SPEAKER_02]: But WWE running Mania out there is making that problematic for sure.

01:11:24.887 --> 01:11:26.609
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we find if they ran out of Atlantic City.

01:11:26.649 --> 01:11:35.920
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about that last year and just running the the old convention center in Asbury Park, Romania, four and five were, I think that would be a cool location for it too.

01:11:37.908 --> 01:11:45.488
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, next award, what was your favorite 20 minute commercial break during the PLE this year?

01:11:46.953 --> 01:11:48.856
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there one that stood out here?

01:11:49.456 --> 01:11:57.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Cody Rhodes minute made directly into WrestleMania 42 ad featuring you guessed it Hunterhurst Helmsley and five other dudes.

01:11:58.549 --> 01:12:04.416
[SPEAKER_00]: Then there's six other people in the celebrities in the audience that Tony Radcliffe guy good to see a buddy.

01:12:04.917 --> 01:12:10.885
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we rolled into the women's version of the WrestleMania 42 casino deal in Vegas.

01:12:10.865 --> 01:12:15.034
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we would straight to another Paul LeBec Proble for about four to five minutes.

01:12:15.675 --> 01:12:19.443
[SPEAKER_00]: Then Michael Cole and Wade Bears started talking for a minute and a half about something.

01:12:19.483 --> 01:12:22.129
[SPEAKER_00]: It might have to do with tampons or whatever.

01:12:22.169 --> 01:12:24.895
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we went into that main event package.

01:12:25.376 --> 01:12:26.218
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my answer.

01:12:26.518 --> 01:12:28.182
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, that one's so awesome.

01:12:28.162 --> 01:12:40.724
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I was also laughing because, I think you're talking about that failed comedian guy, Tony, Tony Red, Tony Hinch Cliff, but since Paul the Tony Red Cliff, I was thinking him as Harry Potter with the big glasses.

01:12:44.110 --> 01:12:46.474
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe improve his act a little bit.

01:12:46.454 --> 01:12:46.835
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:12:47.295 --> 01:12:47.676
[SPEAKER_02]: God.

01:12:47.836 --> 01:12:48.177
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:12:48.277 --> 01:12:48.497
[SPEAKER_02]: No.

01:12:48.998 --> 01:12:53.265
[SPEAKER_02]: The amount of downtime you get between those matches.

01:12:53.365 --> 01:12:56.590
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to see that tightened up in 2026 for sure.

01:12:57.551 --> 01:12:59.454
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01:12:59.474 --> 01:13:01.758
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01:13:01.778 --> 01:13:03.100
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01:13:04.302 --> 01:13:05.704
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01:13:11.252 --> 01:13:12.314
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01:13:12.354 --> 01:13:13.035
[SPEAKER_02]: You're

01:13:13.336 --> 01:13:14.137
[SPEAKER_03]: thoughts on all of it.

01:13:14.778 --> 01:13:16.441
[SPEAKER_03]: Did we do our match of the year yet?

01:13:18.625 --> 01:13:20.568
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think not officially.

01:13:20.628 --> 01:13:24.455
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been talking about a lot of matches, but yeah, officially say what your match of the year is.

01:13:24.635 --> 01:13:24.936
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:13:25.417 --> 01:13:26.138
[SPEAKER_02]: So head Justin.

01:13:26.819 --> 01:13:32.128
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this to me, this is the closest, you know, competition of the awards.

01:13:32.449 --> 01:13:34.973
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, neck and neck,

01:13:35.948 --> 01:13:38.071
[SPEAKER_03]: But I will give the nod to the one.

01:13:38.131 --> 01:13:44.539
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just a little bit more emotionally invested in Texas deaf all in hangman mocks.

01:13:45.220 --> 01:13:50.687
[SPEAKER_03]: It had a lot of Gaga when it comes to an A.W.

01:13:50.967 --> 01:13:55.773
[SPEAKER_03]: Manivent match, but it made perfect sense and it was executed perfectly.

01:13:56.414 --> 01:13:59.458
[SPEAKER_03]: Just

01:13:59.607 --> 01:14:00.750
[SPEAKER_03]: There was the added bonus.

01:14:00.791 --> 01:14:06.688
[SPEAKER_03]: I was watching it with friends and we had a freaking blast and we were jumping around at the end.

01:14:06.769 --> 01:14:08.875
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just everything.

01:14:09.614 --> 01:14:11.637
[SPEAKER_03]: just worked on me with that match.

01:14:11.657 --> 01:14:12.959
[SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely fucking loved it.

01:14:12.999 --> 01:14:18.107
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, it's one of those, I haven't been that invested in a baby face winning the only other times.

01:14:18.147 --> 01:14:32.128
[SPEAKER_03]: It probably like Brian overswerve at all in and then again, Brian over Batista and Orton at WrestleMania 30 or like those are, it's going to be those three when I think of like Jesus went earth.

01:14:32.345 --> 01:14:40.667
[SPEAKER_03]: punk is seen a money in the bank like those are the ones I'm going to think of as a god damn that was that was huge that was huge yeah

01:14:42.284 --> 01:14:44.387
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could say Hangman and Osprey.

01:14:44.568 --> 01:14:45.709
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even go there.

01:14:46.230 --> 01:14:47.091
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't.

01:14:48.073 --> 01:14:50.296
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a couple of friends in the chat are going with that one.

01:14:50.336 --> 01:14:52.400
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, phenomenal match.

01:14:53.101 --> 01:14:58.910
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I also agree with the women's triple threat match, WrestleMania being near, like, top six to eight in there.

01:15:00.552 --> 01:15:02.976
[SPEAKER_00]: Only because of the visual.

01:15:02.956 --> 01:15:13.708
[SPEAKER_00]: of John Moxley, like literally looking like he's going to die and having to tap out that visual will stick with me forever and ever might be one of the greatest moments in the history of pro wrestling.

01:15:14.109 --> 01:15:23.940
[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman Moxley all in Bionos over Tony Storm and or I am, because the way that ended to with the end in the background, you can't get much better than that.

01:15:24.641 --> 01:15:28.305
[SPEAKER_03]: If that's how revolution would have ended, chefs kiss.

01:15:28.842 --> 01:15:29.783
[SPEAKER_00]: then it's show with a year.

01:15:30.404 --> 01:15:31.305
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:15:31.325 --> 01:15:34.649
[SPEAKER_03]: Which probably already is, but I mean, that's just going to put it over the top.

01:15:34.669 --> 01:15:34.969
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:15:35.750 --> 01:15:35.930
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:15:35.950 --> 01:15:36.951
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll make it a clean sweep.

01:15:37.352 --> 01:15:38.333
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go with all into.

01:15:38.673 --> 01:15:39.094
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:15:39.114 --> 01:15:39.695
[SPEAKER_02]: That finish.

01:15:40.335 --> 01:15:51.008
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, go in the archives and listen to it, but man, that that finish was absolutely phenomenal in the way that Mox tapped out and just hang man's journey to the title and basically rescuing the title back from the death writers.

01:15:51.288 --> 01:15:52.189
[SPEAKER_02]: Phenomenal story.

01:15:52.650 --> 01:15:53.711
[SPEAKER_02]: Five star match.

01:15:54.532 --> 01:15:57.195
[SPEAKER_03]: That moment of panic when

01:15:57.648 --> 01:16:04.844
[SPEAKER_03]: It looked like Hangman couldn't get the briefcase open because all we wanted to do was see the most beautiful title and all of that.

01:16:05.325 --> 01:16:05.426
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:16:05.446 --> 01:16:05.546
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:16:05.566 --> 01:16:07.931
[SPEAKER_03]: Then he got it open in the emotion on his face.

01:16:08.212 --> 01:16:11.038
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Oh, so good.

01:16:11.379 --> 01:16:11.680
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:16:13.564 --> 01:16:14.526
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean,

01:16:15.502 --> 01:16:22.010
[SPEAKER_02]: My WWE match of the year is probably the women's match, although I really like Punk and Gunther at SummerSlam too.

01:16:23.592 --> 01:16:33.304
[SPEAKER_02]: Those were the two WWE, my two highest score WWE match of the year were Punk and Gunther at SummerSlam and the triple threat at Mania with the women, Bella, Ripley and Eosguy.

01:16:34.846 --> 01:16:39.231
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd probably go with the women's match from Mania.

01:16:39.211 --> 01:16:42.978
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, man, that, I mean, God, there's been a lot of good wrestling this year.

01:16:42.998 --> 01:16:49.511
[SPEAKER_02]: They're always, you know, whenever we complain about what a certain company is doing one way or the other, I mean, had that.

01:16:49.531 --> 01:16:51.214
[SPEAKER_02]: There's always great stuff out there.

01:16:51.254 --> 01:16:52.797
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, fucking great call, John.

01:16:52.857 --> 01:16:55.262
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Omega kid.

01:16:56.609 --> 01:16:59.174
[SPEAKER_03]: from the very beginning of the year got damn good.

01:17:00.116 --> 01:17:02.159
[SPEAKER_00]: I made a huge list of matches.

01:17:03.362 --> 01:17:05.486
[SPEAKER_00]: This did a bunch of honorable mentions here.

01:17:05.766 --> 01:17:11.757
[SPEAKER_00]: One that was on TV with Kenny Omega will ask praverses can locate Takeshton, Kyle Fletcher, a great slam.

01:17:13.020 --> 01:17:13.942
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:17:13.962 --> 01:17:15.765
[SPEAKER_00]: Along with what we've seen the C2.

01:17:16.741 --> 01:17:17.822
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:17:17.842 --> 01:17:21.126
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God damn, there's so many good fucking matches in the C2.

01:17:21.506 --> 01:17:37.084
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'm not, yeah, I was only factoring in my paper you matches on my list on Patreon because I don't score all the TV, but maybe I should start because maybe in 2026, I'll do that and then just make a spreadsheet because, man, there's been so many good televised matches to that.

01:17:37.644 --> 01:17:39.947
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, MJF and Mystico.

01:17:39.927 --> 01:17:41.449
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, too, CMLL.

01:17:41.629 --> 01:17:43.392
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was another one that was phenomenal.

01:17:43.992 --> 01:17:47.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just in it, you might want to mention this one before I do.

01:17:48.338 --> 01:17:49.880
[SPEAKER_00]: Bandido to cash it at Ring of Honor.

01:17:50.641 --> 01:17:51.262
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.

01:17:51.282 --> 01:17:52.043
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

01:17:52.063 --> 01:17:52.264
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:17:52.624 --> 01:17:54.927
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

01:17:54.947 --> 01:17:57.871
[SPEAKER_02]: Ryan Huffman says, you're from now, who will everyone be talking about?

01:17:59.033 --> 01:17:59.413
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

01:17:59.934 --> 01:18:00.635
[SPEAKER_02]: I said it already.

01:18:01.536 --> 01:18:02.878
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a co-fletcher already.

01:18:03.118 --> 01:18:03.859
[SPEAKER_03]: Kyle Fletcher.

01:18:04.565 --> 01:18:15.368
[SPEAKER_03]: whichever TKO executive shits on some poor woman next, I think it'll be broad break around WWE.

01:18:16.158 --> 01:18:18.161
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Breaker is going to be World Champion.

01:18:18.241 --> 01:18:20.344
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it'll be Brown Breaker, probably over there.

01:18:20.384 --> 01:18:28.496
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Fletcher probably asked Bre, the second half of the year, coming back, and having an phenomenal year again, I think he'll be in that conversation as well.

01:18:28.876 --> 01:18:39.291
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll probably at the end of 2026, be having the conversation of, you know, asked Breyer missed some time, but holy shit, these last six months, you know, like does that put him in wrestler of the year conversations?

01:18:39.331 --> 01:18:41.254
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see that being a talking point for sure.

01:18:41.555 --> 01:19:04.339
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it'll be interesting to see what Hangman and Mox do with the rest of the year with the role that they're on to cash to, you know, I mean, I don't know, there's a lot of good

01:19:05.146 --> 01:19:10.133
[SPEAKER_02]: I love these people online that are making it out like, oh, can you believe Chris Jericho will go back to WWE?

01:19:10.414 --> 01:19:11.836
[SPEAKER_02]: What a burn for AEW.

01:19:11.956 --> 01:19:13.058
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about?

01:19:13.078 --> 01:19:15.842
[SPEAKER_02]: They squeezed every bit of juice out of that fruit that they could.

01:19:15.902 --> 01:19:17.645
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody wants them to go back to WWE.

01:19:17.665 --> 01:19:19.047
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he should go back to WWE.

01:19:19.367 --> 01:19:21.030
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time to do the retirement to over there.

01:19:21.070 --> 01:19:22.632
[SPEAKER_02]: Get paid.

01:19:23.185 --> 01:19:24.507
[SPEAKER_02]: and retire.

01:19:24.827 --> 01:19:28.051
[SPEAKER_02]: Do the Hall of Fame thing and there's nothing for him to do in AEW.

01:19:28.111 --> 01:19:33.157
[SPEAKER_02]: These people just, they don't understand the history of wrestling and moving from territory to territory.

01:19:33.217 --> 01:19:34.619
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he needs to be gone.

01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:37.722
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody is like begging for him to stay in AEW.

01:19:38.063 --> 01:19:39.044
[SPEAKER_02]: Shouldn't even be in the cards.

01:19:39.525 --> 01:19:46.493
[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody wants Chris Jericho back in WWE more than his wife.

01:19:46.473 --> 01:19:47.475
[SPEAKER_03]: Bingo.

01:19:47.495 --> 01:19:49.499
[SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to think of a job.

01:19:49.539 --> 01:19:50.020
[SPEAKER_00]: Bb to it.

01:19:50.040 --> 01:19:52.144
[SPEAKER_00]: She might become the next Erica Kirk at this rate.

01:19:52.485 --> 01:19:52.926
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no.

01:19:53.407 --> 01:19:55.271
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:19:55.291 --> 01:19:59.439
[SPEAKER_02]: The Jericho's will be happily at home over there, and we're all resting entertainment.

01:19:59.639 --> 01:20:00.060
[SPEAKER_02]: So.

01:20:01.762 --> 01:20:03.364
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a fun year of top rope nation.

01:20:03.405 --> 01:20:07.932
[SPEAKER_02]: I looked at here, your guys' top memories of the show over the last year.

01:20:07.952 --> 01:20:09.534
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be interesting.

01:20:09.694 --> 01:20:11.116
[SPEAKER_02]: You can comment on this.

01:20:11.277 --> 01:20:12.298
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01:20:12.318 --> 01:20:14.141
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01:20:14.161 --> 01:20:14.842
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of us know that.

01:20:14.962 --> 01:20:17.627
[SPEAKER_02]: What do your favorite memories of top rope nation over the years?

01:20:18.027 --> 01:20:19.790
[SPEAKER_02]: What was your favorite cruise board I said?

01:20:19.830 --> 01:20:23.736
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, over the last 12 months, I should say, not over the years.

01:20:23.716 --> 01:20:33.817
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to point out something here that I spent a little time doing the other night because I don't, I feel that not a lot of people know that this is an option for supporting the show.

01:20:34.258 --> 01:20:43.176
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01:20:43.156 --> 01:21:10.986
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01:21:10.966 --> 01:21:11.936
[SPEAKER_02]: Post it on there.

01:21:11.956 --> 01:21:14.260
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me share my screen so you can see what I'm talking about.

01:21:15.286 --> 01:21:18.291
[SPEAKER_02]: Right up, it says the time Ryan's kid counted the swearing.

01:21:18.892 --> 01:21:22.197
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when my oldest was here in the office when we're doing that Sunday morning show.

01:21:22.237 --> 01:21:23.199
[SPEAKER_02]: That was really good.

01:21:23.780 --> 01:21:24.441
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a good one.

01:21:24.481 --> 01:21:25.903
[SPEAKER_02]: That was I think I was just in.

01:21:26.063 --> 01:21:26.965
[SPEAKER_02]: She was counting your swears.

01:21:29.309 --> 01:21:30.030
[SPEAKER_02]: So like me.

01:21:30.771 --> 01:21:31.512
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck that.

01:21:34.036 --> 01:21:35.719
[SPEAKER_02]: What was I'm on YouTube membership though?

01:21:35.879 --> 01:21:41.428
[SPEAKER_02]: We do have some people who are patrons and TRN plus members on YouTube because they like having.

01:21:41.527 --> 01:21:47.694
[SPEAKER_02]: the ability to easily access the TRN classics video versions without having to go through Patreon.

01:21:48.174 --> 01:22:03.371
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01:22:03.651 --> 01:22:06.814
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the number one way to support this show.

01:22:07.355 --> 01:22:10.318
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01:22:11.075 --> 01:22:13.659
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01:22:13.699 --> 01:22:17.105
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01:22:17.706 --> 01:22:32.370
[SPEAKER_02]: And that will give you, as you can see here, all of these bonus videos and every single TRN classics, which I think I can speak for all of us by saying, that's like the cream of the crop of what we do here is when we do these retro shows every month.

01:22:32.390 --> 01:22:36.998
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can see like class 17 that we just did recently is on there eight days ago.

01:22:38.041 --> 01:22:44.568
[SPEAKER_02]: This has the entire archive of TRN classics now, like all the way back to 2022.

01:22:46.069 --> 01:22:47.431
[SPEAKER_02]: How do I view the whole playlist?

01:22:47.451 --> 01:22:48.252
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on a second here.

01:22:48.412 --> 01:22:49.653
[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to get a little walkie.

01:22:50.774 --> 01:22:52.436
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:22:52.456 --> 01:23:02.847
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so as I scroll this list you guys, 299 a month gets you all of these shows behind the YouTube Paywall, all of this.

01:23:03.007 --> 01:23:05.770
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like I had it back to 2023,

01:23:06.762 --> 01:23:19.591
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and the other night, I just uploaded all the 2000 and 22 classics to they were there on patreon, the videos, uh, the video versions, so I'm talking about, but you had to like really hunt form to find them if you're a YouTube plus member.

01:23:19.611 --> 01:23:21.054
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're right there on the feed.

01:23:21.956 --> 01:23:23.300
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, I'm still scrolling here.

01:23:23.420 --> 01:23:23.961
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot.

01:23:25.780 --> 01:23:33.394
[SPEAKER_02]: So I went back to our 2000 and 22 classics, which began right here with Starcade 97, which we did in December of 2022.

01:23:33.454 --> 01:23:46.557
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanksgiving Star Wars, bad blood, Anarchy Rules 99, Summerslam 92, Stamp, Canadian Stampede 97, Great American Bash 96, Judgment Day 2000.

01:23:46.537 --> 01:23:53.344
[SPEAKER_02]: Spring Stampede 94, Mania 3, Shaitan, Rumble 89, and Rumble 92.

01:23:53.805 --> 01:23:55.827
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a hell of a year at TRN Classics.

01:23:56.708 --> 01:23:58.490
[SPEAKER_02]: Kyle was on every single one of those.

01:23:58.550 --> 01:24:00.632
[SPEAKER_02]: That was his last full year with the show.

01:24:01.112 --> 01:24:02.314
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you miss Kyle, there you go.

01:24:03.215 --> 01:24:05.978
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, those are some of our best shows of all time.

01:24:06.058 --> 01:24:10.182
[SPEAKER_02]: And so again, if you're a patron, you can access that anytime right now.

01:24:10.499 --> 01:24:16.652
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're not, and you want to support the show, and you want to just get access to the video versions, become a TRN plus member here on YouTube.

01:24:16.672 --> 01:24:21.281
[SPEAKER_02]: It's only $2.99 a month, and you get all of these videos.

01:24:22.002 --> 01:24:24.728
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to promote that a little bit because I feel like

01:24:25.349 --> 01:24:30.318
[SPEAKER_02]: Not everyone realizes that's there and just like the ease of access of those is really cool.

01:24:30.338 --> 01:24:36.409
[SPEAKER_02]: I also usually post my BR shows there as TRA next to us for the TRA and plus members.

01:24:36.530 --> 01:24:41.599
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, just another way to support us in the new year and love to have your support.

01:24:41.659 --> 01:24:46.969
[SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate all of you who do support us in our patrons and TRA and plus members right now.

01:24:47.523 --> 01:24:59.303
[SPEAKER_00]: I need the Tony Romo sounder for, uh, Rumble 92, WrestleMania 3, Canadian and Pete.

01:24:59.323 --> 01:25:02.609
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, those are just all timers we did that year, couple, 2022.

01:25:03.090 --> 01:25:10.482
[SPEAKER_02]: What show was that, um, that, uh, John's mentioning here, I can't remember, remember, I was like crying laughing on that T.R.N.

01:25:10.502 --> 01:25:11.404
[SPEAKER_02]: classics.

01:25:11.992 --> 01:25:21.305
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the last thing we just did, that was one Halloween havoc the month before we were laughing about something Nikolai Volkov It was Nikolai Volkov that we did.

01:25:21.326 --> 01:25:23.248
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the Nikolai Volkov show.

01:25:23.429 --> 01:25:24.530
[SPEAKER_02]: God, which one was that?

01:25:25.071 --> 01:25:31.620
[SPEAKER_02]: It's royal rumble, I think It was this was like in the last few months was it summer slam night?

01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:33.443
[SPEAKER_02]: It was summer slam, wasn't it?

01:25:33.929 --> 01:25:36.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right because he was teeming with hacksaw gym.

01:25:36.197 --> 01:25:37.702
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the summer slam 90.

01:25:37.842 --> 01:25:38.143
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:25:38.284 --> 01:25:39.689
[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys aren't patrons.

01:25:39.709 --> 01:25:40.933
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't hear that show.

01:25:41.555 --> 01:25:45.930
[SPEAKER_02]: Become a patron for the podcast version or become a YouTube member to get the video.

01:25:46.788 --> 01:25:49.712
[SPEAKER_02]: I have never laughed that hard on a show ever.

01:25:49.732 --> 01:25:52.856
[SPEAKER_02]: I literally had tears coming down my face.

01:25:53.377 --> 01:25:55.420
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Justin was laughing just like that.

01:25:55.440 --> 01:25:58.564
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not stopped.

01:25:58.584 --> 01:25:59.826
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse was losing it.

01:26:00.286 --> 01:26:05.013
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this one on for 10 minutes was hilarious.

01:26:05.714 --> 01:26:07.336
[SPEAKER_02]: That was maybe my favorite show of the year.

01:26:07.396 --> 01:26:08.357
[SPEAKER_02]: That was God.

01:26:08.378 --> 01:26:09.920
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a fun one.

01:26:10.180 --> 01:26:11.682
[SPEAKER_02]: That was really good stuff.

01:26:11.662 --> 01:26:19.417
[SPEAKER_02]: So, there you go, Patreon, YouTube, support what we do, support independent podcast you guys.

01:26:19.437 --> 01:26:24.968
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not getting pushed by any major websites, you know, we're just doing this on our own, going on year 10 here.

01:26:25.029 --> 01:26:28.976
[SPEAKER_02]: If you enjoy it, we'd appreciate your support, it makes it all possible.

01:26:30.660 --> 01:26:31.341
[SPEAKER_02]: That's indeed.

01:26:32.502 --> 01:26:34.125
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys, that's it.

01:26:34.886 --> 01:26:37.551
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to let you enjoy your New Year's Eve.

01:26:37.571 --> 01:26:38.493
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you enjoyed this show.

01:26:38.513 --> 01:26:43.902
[SPEAKER_02]: We kind of put together at the last second, but we wanted to do one more show in 2025.

01:26:43.942 --> 01:26:46.547
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a landmark year for us.

01:26:46.627 --> 01:26:47.889
[SPEAKER_02]: We hit 400 episodes.

01:26:49.151 --> 01:26:53.599
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse was here along for the ride for his was his dear third year.

01:26:53.765 --> 01:26:58.793
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you started in 2023 in the summer and then all 24 and 25 with us.

01:26:58.973 --> 01:26:59.954
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

01:26:59.974 --> 01:27:00.575
[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.

01:27:00.796 --> 01:27:06.825
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, two and a half years now with Jesse in the third chair, Kyle returned a couple of times on classics.

01:27:07.966 --> 01:27:12.353
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, plenty more coming at yeah in 2026.

01:27:12.733 --> 01:27:14.877
[SPEAKER_00]: Two hundredth episode of Unplugged.

01:27:15.457 --> 01:27:17.460
[SPEAKER_00]: Very, very soon.

01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:19.443
[SPEAKER_02]: Any special guests on that one?

01:27:19.984 --> 01:27:20.565
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a couple.

01:27:22.064 --> 01:27:24.057
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be dropping for patrons by the end of the week.

01:27:24.701 --> 01:27:26.975
[SPEAKER_02]: So, look for that Patreon supporters.

01:27:27.337 --> 01:27:28.243
[SPEAKER_02]: And...

01:27:28.443 --> 01:27:30.586
[SPEAKER_02]: With that said, you guys, I am going to play us out.

01:27:30.646 --> 01:27:34.671
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this will not be on the YouTube version, because I don't want to copyright strike.

01:27:34.691 --> 01:27:41.580
[SPEAKER_02]: But on the podcast side, this is become a tradition here on the show, on our New Year's Eve shows, or the ones closest New Year's Eve.

01:27:41.780 --> 01:27:55.378
[SPEAKER_02]: I always play us out with the live version of All Lang Sign by Bruce Springsteen in the East Street Band from New Year's Eve 1980 at the NASA Colosseum.

01:27:55.865 --> 01:28:01.147
[SPEAKER_02]: So enjoy that everybody, have a happy new year, and we'll see you all in 2026.

01:28:02.011 --> 01:28:02.372
[SPEAKER_02]: Take care.

01:28:03.075 --> 01:28:03.597
[SPEAKER_02]: Peace.

01:28:47.637 --> 01:28:57.647
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