Season 3. Episode 3-- Talking with Dr Tanya English about how to heal our shame and fear using energy healing and even blues music!

Hi and welcome to The story cumin. I have another great episode for you today. My guest is Dr. Tanya English, a chiropractor for your soul. Dr. Tanya English helps women who have ever experienced loss, especially stillbirth and pregnancy loss, go from grief to grace and find treasure in tragedy. Dr. English has been working for over 30 years in healing, first as a massage therapist, then as a chiropractor, and now as an energy healer. She's also an accomplished blues singer. After experiencing the stillbirth of her first child in 1994. She had a profound healing experience through blues music. She then went on to practice chiropractic and energy healing. Dr. English with her husband, Edie started the Tanya English band in 2012, and witnessed more healing with her audience and her with her clients online. And internationally. She knows that the darkest tragedy can hold an endless well of blessings. That is an amazing bunch of stuff you've been doing. Well, good to have you here. Thank you. It's good to be here. It's a long journey. And you You've done so much with your time and so much with your loss. And now you're helping others. That's my favorite kind of thing is turning around what you went through and reaching out to help others and you've gone the extra mile. I mean, goodness, you've had three careers for career. People just stick with one at least. Well, I did. I still I still do chiropractic, I still have chiropractic patients that come into the office here. And you do both right. Yeah. So I do I do three things. Right now I do performance with the band, I do energy healing, and I do chiropractic. And this equals your happy place. I can tell by when you talk about it, you know, you just kind of light up your happy place. And it's I think that's a wonderful thing to share with people. That kind of energy that you can have when you find your calling when you're in your happy space. Absolutely. I mean, I went, I have my undergraduate degree in theater production. I was in theater since the time I was, Oh, 15. I was doing theater work and behind the scenes on stage the whole thing. And then thought, well, I don't really want to, I don't think I want that career that people have. I don't think that's for me, I had a couple of really bad experiences. Right before I graduated from Boston University Theatre School. And right after I got out, I had two very negative experiences. And I thought I'll just take a break. And I went to massage school during that break. And I was like, Oh, this, this is, this is what I want to do. And then as I was doing massage therapy, I thought, you know, there's got to be more that I can do. So I worked in all different kinds of places, hotels, health, spas, all kinds of places, but my favorite was the chiropractic office. So I thought, Well, why don't I just go be a chiropractor? Why? Journey? So I said, Okay, let me do something completely different. What's holding me back? Nothing. I don't have any reason not to do it. So that seems like the next logical progression. So I went and studied chiropractic came to Iowa after living on the East Coast my whole life. And there's a culture shock, right? Yeah, it was quite different. When you're watching the evening news, and they're showing high school football, you're like, I'm in Iowa. That sounds wonderful. How many professional teams here so so they're showing high school football on and, you know, two semesters what? chiropractic colleges, trimesters, so you do three trimesters a year and so I was in my second trimester of school, when I met my husband, and that kind of was like, oh, okay, let's, let's see how this all works out. And then he had two daughters from his previous marriage. So he was being a single dad and the kids were away when we met, so convenient that later on, they came to live with us. So I have blended family experience to that. Yeah. I love how that unfolded. And what I really love is that you said, you know, I like being in this chiropractic office the most. So why don't I just become a doctor of chiropractic? Not everybody will go to that conclusion, but I do think that's cool. and it feels meant to be, you found your way you, you wanted to same as the same station for all things. Interference and the body heals, remove interference and the mind heals, see yourself in a different way. With the interference free move same for theater, if you can show somebody something from a different point of view, and have them feel that emotion, then they can heal whatever that is in themselves. So as always the same motivation still is. It's all connected. Yeah. Yeah. Remove the interference and healing happens. Because we're meant to heal. We're, we're that's how we're beat yourself to do that. Yeah. And somehow we got away from that. And it's not good. Right? Well, the reason why we got away from it is because people believe that food is not anything, but we do for pleasure. And then you have to look outside yourself for healing. Yeah. doesn't charge and it's probably an old white man. Well, that's what makes money right? It doesn't make money if you're healing yourself, right? We're fair cells. Aska. Anybody that's doing heavy metal? Anybody that's doing shock, kind of, yeah, ask Alice Cooper. He saw the people lined up for JAWS and went, oh, people love to be afraid. Look at that. I'm going to do things with that. And it does sell. And so, you know, working kind of against that, because you're in a cell. But Love heals. You have to make a choice. Yeah. Are you walking in fear, you're walking in love. So I get real specific about that with my clients and my patients about what does and the people that come to see me perform? What does healing really have to do with anything, except that when you make a choice to walk in love, you're making a choice for healing. They're connected. Yeah, because when you go into fight or flight response, fear, response, fight or flight, it's a subconscious reaction to your emotion. You don't have there's a couple of things that happen, actually in fight or flight. So your body memorizes your body mind, spirit will just say body for sure. But your body mind, spirit memorizes things that are negative to your survival. If you see a stick on the ground, that looks like a snake, you will jump back from it before you realize it's a snake. I mean, it's a stick, you'll think your brain will see the pattern of a snake. And then it will instinctively jump back. Because snakes could be dangerous. For some people. I'm just using this as an example. So your body has this, this memory of that's dangerous. I'm going to jump back and then you look a little Oh, it's not really a snake. It's a stick. I don't have to be afraid. But your body's still in fight or flight because it takes hours to come out of fight or flight response if you don't do anything active. So what if the fight or flight response is something that's chronic? What if it's triggered? That's a big word right now, what if it's triggered by the sound of your abusers footsteps coming up the stairs? And that sound? Is the trigger that something terrible is going to happen? Right? Yeah. So you have this pattern that happens. And so when I teach people to do first thing is how to get out of fight or flight response. And quickly. So we do that through for count breathing, and also emotional freedom technique. stops it right away. EMT workers, emergency workers have a 10 year shorter life expectancy, fight or flight shortens your life. Yeah, I'll see you can't make good decisions. Now. There's people that are trained to be in those situations, right? They have training for that. They don't always have training to come out of that. So what happens, they get kind of hours and hours and hours to come out. When you get training on how to bring yourself out of fight or flight, and then it can shorten it by a lot. So it's very simple to do when for time breathing, or you can hear people talk about it as box breathing, it's foreign for hold for out four holes, you just count to 411 1002 1003 1004. So you hold it in, you breathe in for four, you hold it in for four, you exhale before you hold it out for four. When you're doing that what you're doing is you're resetting your system. And here's the thing that's interesting that people don't realize when you go into fight or flight, your digestion shuts off. Your immune system shuts off if you stay in that way Do you think there's people with stomach problems, digestive problems? Right breathing problems. They, they keep getting sick, they're stuck in fight or flight. Yeah. And they can't get out of it. Because you don't need to digest your sandwich if you're running away from danger, right? Do that. Plus all the blood in your body goes to your large muscle groups, your legs and your arms, they can run away. It's not in your digestion, where it goes when you're in rest, digest and heal, where nutrients are being put where they need to be, and waste products are being taken out. So balancing that is really super important. It sounds like you could really benefit a lot of EMT programs by, you know, helping with training them and getting that they don't realize that also, what occurs to me is that a lot of us are probably living there because we just expose ourselves to fear filled media. And yeah, exactly. Yeah, like a lot of us are there. What's the what's the rule of news? If it bleeds, it leads? That's so true. So you're getting this emergency emergency emergency? That's why people who are watching certain news programs for hours on end? Yes, really don't need that much news, you really don't need like 15 minutes to know what's really going on. And that's about it. And then it's very good point it is. So I tell a lot of my clients and my patients go on a news fast for the next week. Don't worry, if something's going on, you'll find out. Yeah, well, that is so good. And I remember my stepmother, who, you know, with my father used to have a certain news channel on like, 24/7, just like a habit, right. And their view of the world was literally skewed. And I used to be so afraid to talk to her because she was seeing things that she would say like, oh, the college campuses, it's insane. And there's so many protests, and they're so right, you know, woke and things are terrible. And my and my mother in law, God rest her soul. Same thing. She used to say, Oh, it's so bad out there. And I even today, I look on social media, I see some wonderful example of some soul helping someone else. There's always someone in the comments saying, oh my gosh, at least there's some good people in the world. And now. But yeah, every single time I answer them, and I say, Yeah, but this is how we really are. Like, you're just saying that because you don't see this in the media. This is who know, they want they want to control by fear. And that is the way of having people become less empowered. And it also stops critical thinking. So you don't, you're not getting you're not getting what the truth is now listen, this, this is also part of how people deal with past wounds. So what happens if you're a child and you're coping with this situation? What a children do to cope with dangerous situations? They hide? Yeah, they clam up, they get that 1000 Yard Stare. They, they have these childhood coping mechanisms that do not work when you're a grown up. They just don't work anymore. Yeah. Because you know, not talking to somebody because you're mad at them doesn't work. It keeps you isolated work. Right? It keeps you isolated. So what we want to do is we want to update people's coping mechanisms so that they're doing healthy things with this. So that's why I say news fast for at least a week. And what you'll find is that you're a lot happier. Because you're not constantly be hearing about terrible things. Terrible people doing terrible things. Oh, but they'll give you a couple of nuggets of good stuff to just keep going and going. Yeah, like you'll notice this on this on the morning news things. They usually end with something good. Yeah. Because then you can walk away feeling happy. But here's what they've done for the two hours before. Oh, and by the way, this is a special thing that you can only have if you do it now. So that urgency that fear of missing out. All of that stuff happens. And it's all marketing. It's all it is. Isn't it? Kind of terrifying. Yeah. And it works has nothing to do with healing. It has nothing to do with being a healthy person. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's like advertising on steroids. Like, you know, you have to worry about how you smell and whether you look good and whether you're skating about when people shouldn't see Oh, anything is just the xOP? Or how bad can it be? I mean, I know that there's people that have a terrible problem with body odor. But I mean, there's so much out there that helps people from stopping to smell, like dryer sheets and everything else. Yeah, everything else that you have to do to, you know, make sure that you don't smell too many things to worry about. Yeah, it's crazy. It's really good to become conscious of those things. And you help people do that. Yeah, because what a lot of times people like, the people that I work with, are generally ready to do something that they know is a deeper issue. Like, they know that there's something energetically that's happening to them, that they don't it's like mysterious kind of behavior. Like, I don't even know why I do this. I don't even know what this is about. I don't know why I say these things. I don't know why I do these things. And it's a lot of self sabotage. Knowing that you want a certain thing, and then you stop it from happening for some reason. So what happens when we do that is we can't attain our goals. And then we get gold trauma from maybe trying and putting our heart into it. And, you know, giving it all we've got, and it doesn't work out. And so now we know, we know in our no or that this isn't going to work. It's never going to work. This doesn't for me. I've heard people say this has always, I've never all of those things are all about self sabotage. And so then people get into this whole blame thing. And here's what I want to say that's really important. There's no need to blame. There is no need to blame or shame yourself. Now, that doesn't mean that everybody does everything perfectly. What it means is, you can't hold yourself hostage and keep punishing yourself for things that there's no fault for. We're human beings, we hang on to stuff, saying stuff instead of the other word. We hang on to stuff that we don't need to hang on to. But how do you let that go? When you're told over and over again, money doesn't grow on trees, you know. And there's no good men out there. And I'll never find my perfect somewhat. This is the stuff that we say to ourselves, so that we have the self sabotage. So so let me back up to the story that I have about having a stillbirth. While I'm in chiropractic college. I'm supposed to be learning to be a better healer. And my baby dies inside me. That can really give you pause. What What am I even doing? What am I even doing here? So for me, because I'm a different kind of person, I guess. Yeah, I am. I thought, as I'm lying there in the hospital bed, this is a big deal. This is the two by four of harsh reality hitting me in the head. I better pay attention to what is going on here. What's happening in me? What's happening in my world? I was not interested in blaming or shaming anybody. And neither was my husband. Because there were a lot of people are like, well, it was those midwives and no, it was this, you know, it was that. And what I want to say is like, people die. Oh, we're all going to do it. Some people die when they're old. Some people die when they're young. We had a five and a six year old that were waiting for this new baby brother to be born. We had to explain it to them. And this is what we said. It's not a bad thing to die. Is it sad? Yeah. Because we were looking forward to it. But here's the thing. Can we make it so that it actually is okay, that that happened? Not great. But can we make it okay? So that we can move forward with our life and find some blessings that are in here. My favorite verse in the Bible is counted all joy. Easy to remember. James one to count it all joy. Because here's what happens when you count it all joy. You have to look for the joy. You have to find where is their joy in this situation because this sucks. Yeah, this is really bad. For me, it was really bad. It could engulf somebody. Yes, it did. I saw people get engulfed by this in in, you know, support groups. Let me support you in being in more grief. Oh my god. Yes. We so so. There was no blame and shame about this. We actually had The doctor went to the hospital when things were obviously not progressing correctly. And the doctor said, wanted to blame our midwives, who had never lost a baby in hundreds of birth things that they'd done never. And I said to the doctor, are you blaming these people for what's happening? And, you know, you have to be willing to accept some mystery in life. Oh, yeah, I don't know how to make a baby. My thoughts can't make a baby. What's making the baby is my subconscious and the innate ability that I have to create inside me. Because I'm female, and I have all the things. But I don't know how to do that. How to make it was up to me, I would have made blood and forget to make blood vessels beforehand. Right. So it's not to me, there's a mystery. In chiropractic. We call that innate intelligence. Each cell has an intelligence about it, that knows what to do with itself. Now you can call that whatever you want. In chiropractic. We call it innate intelligence. You're born with it. You don't have to do anything about it. This is a fingernail, so it's not a liver cell. Yeah. And it knows what to do. And if you get away, it'll all work in harmony. Exactly. But But what happened with me was something that is called a tragedy. Right. That's called a tragedy. And I call a tragedy, something that changes very quickly. Yes, tragedy is something where change happens so quickly. You can't quite wrap your head around it. It takes some time to do that. Now, the other thing that I said, I'm like, Okay, if everything happens to the highest good, because I've been saying that for a while. Do I really believe that? Yeah, it really just is this to the highest good, really? Because I held that baby. We named that baby, we baptized that baby. Eddie, that was his name, Edward Oliver. And what happened? I got to hold him. And then he was gone. And then I got a little box with his ashes in it. That's what happened. That's the reality. Now there's time that's happening there. So I'm, you know, able to wrap my head around it a bit. And things happen that were kind of supernatural to that made me remember, God's got this. I can rely on that. I have faith. How do people get through that? They don't have any faith? I don't know. At all. They don't have that. That's one of the things that I help people do is like, discover, Where is your faith at? Where is it? I'm not talking about religion at all. I knew. I understand. People get lost. I think people get lost. Should they keep saying I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't want that. And then they'll have anything. Yeah. And they forget that you can have that direct relationship with Source energy. That's why I call it source energy. It's a little less triggering for people. Yeah, right. So I say okay, if everything happens, that is good. Show me the good. Show me what's going on here. And I look to my left, and there's my husband, steadfast and true. Loving me, supporting me, nurture me going through the same thing, by the way, just lost his first son. He's dealing with it. And he's loving and nurturing and supportive. And caring. Hello, there's some highest good right there. Right, so you don't really usually have to look that far to find it. And then just keep ask keep looking for that. Keep looking for that because I'm one of those people that was not wired to think everything's always happy. That's not me. I'm always looking for how can I make this even better? Yeah, maybe this is okay. But I'd like it better so I can teach my husband Oh, did you find a way to make it better? Just not good enough visit? No, I'm like, it is good enough. But I'm always gonna, just my nature to do that. And I agree with that. For the most part. I'm looking for the just let me remind you seeking you'll find so what are you seeking? So I was seeking where's the joy? Where's the love? What can I do to help myself here? I had a buckwheat help pillow. You know, those are kind of I carried that around when I was at home. I just carry that pillow because it had weight to it and it moved a little bit when you move it it moves and so that helped me feel less alone. I needed to have that comfort, I needed to hold that baby. And then, you know, to be keeping, looking for that one. Remember one day we were we were swimming in a pool. And my husband said, let's think of something that we celebrate every day of the month. What can we celebrate on the first I said, Well, my sister was born on the first. He's like, great, we can celebrate your sister. What about the second? So we went through all the days of the month, up to 31. And we found something that we could celebrate for every day. I love Are you seeking? Are you looking? Because if you're stuck in your stuff, you can't look and that's part of what happens to people is they? The people that I work with know I'm stuck in my stuff. I can't even see this. I know it's out there. I've been told it's out there. I trust that people are telling me the truth, but I can't find I can't see, what's hitting me is that you have to go up higher and look at that bigger picture that there's so much more involved, often that we don't get. And we have to allow ourselves to try to see it from a higher that bigger picture. Yes, you have to look. This is why I work with chakras. Because the third eye that chakra that sixth chakra is your 50,000 foot view. Yeah, but what am I seeing in that? What What am I? What can I picture? I mean, you can do it any time just close your eyes, take a deep breath, relax and say show me the 50,000 foot view. Oh, that's so nice seeing here. I'm going to try that. Later what I'm doing Yeah, when I'm doing an intuitive energy scan, I'm doing that for the person that I'm working with. So I go through each chakra and say, Okay, this is we're connected energetically. And we do it through zoom. And I record it for the person, I'm going to connect with you energetically. I'm going to look at each one of these energy centers. I'm going to see what's there for you. You've told me about what your pain is what your joy is, what what you want to get out of this. What would it feel like to have this pain removed or stopped? So you've got some idea? Maybe you don't know, maybe your answer to that question is I don't even know what that would feel like. So then I'm going through to find where's this stuff stuck? What's been going on here with the soul? Is it lifetimes? Is it generations? Is it this life? What's going on with them. And then I use lots of different techniques to help clear that stuff up. So people can go, Oh, now I can see myself doing this. And now, oh, when those puzzle pieces start to click into place, and you get this epiphany, epiphany, epiphany. It's just kind of amazing. Because you start to see like, oh, that's why that happened so that I could learn this. So the motto here is always be learning, not ABC, not always be closing, always be learning. Because everything is happening for us. Everything is happening for us, not to us. For it things are hurting you you go into victim mode. You're happening for you, you start to look for oh, what's here for me? Seeking you'll find a totally different way to look. Yeah. I love this. Yeah, it's a very optimistic way. This is why I need it because I'm not the most optimistic person. Mind you. Yeah. Keep reminding myself now. Wait a minute. You believe this? Right? Yeah, I go. Yeah, I believe this is me talking to myself. And it happens to everybody Higher Self says, You know what the right answer is right. You know, it's like love. And I go, yep. And then the mean girl on the back goes, but you know, that you don't get that. Look at yourself compared to that other person. Their website so much better than yours? Yes. Right. So then you have to learn how to quiet that mean, girl down. I have a friend that calls that the shitty committee that's in the back of your head telling you all the crap that you that you see yourself, right. You don't wear that? Sometimes it sounds like your mother, by the way. Where what do you what are you wearing? Which skin you know, like that's what mine says that you should cover up? Yeah, because they grew up in a different time. And yeah, definitely. Times Exactly. When that's really true. You know, it's gonna get cold out. You should probably take a sweater with you. Thank you, mom. I'm gonna do that. I didn't realize mom's right about something. But it was Yeah. Yeah. But that's the that's the thing that's so interesting, too, is that that committee that's telling you negative things is comparing you to others. I was just doing this with a friend of mine this morning. She's like, are you good? paring your smoke like I was. What we want to do is enlist that part of ourselves to do a different job. Because really what it's trying to do is protect you. Yes, always about protection, overdoing it maybe or, or there's old, I always talk about old messages from older times that you need to take out of the vault, look at it and decide whether it serves you anymore. And that's unconscious on your own. That's why it's good to work with another person like me is looking at that for you, who's there to hold space for you to be able to do that, because let's just face it being inside the bottle, you can't read the label on the outside. It's very annoying sight. So you want to be able to allow yourself to have another set of eyes. In theater, we would call the third eye, which is not the people on stage. But the director is saying, Oh, I don't see the enough emotion here. How about if you try this as if you're this kind of animal, and boom, everything shows up? So you have to have somebody that's showing you the way? Yes, basically, I'm doing the same thing I always did it showing you the way to look at it differently so that you can get the result that you need. Yeah, because since you're saying, and I've had people say this, well, I'm going to thanks for that. I'm going to work on this on my own. And I'm like, well, good luck with that. Good luck with that. It's really hard to do this on your own. And if you really invest in yourself, the dividends are amazing. The dividends that you have, are not just your number of clients, and you know how much money you make. That's not that's all the worldly stuff. The other part of it is you have a rich spiritual life and spiritual practice that holds you up. When things are not great when things are challenging when you have a health challenge when you have a financial challenge. And you remember, like this is just the ebb and flow of life. That's all it is. That's such a gift. I had breast cancer four years ago, and it wasn't that hard to get through it. I mean, I was lucky, it wasn't that bad. You know, they caught it really early. But I thought of other times in my life when I would not have handled it. I was just so aware of where I had gotten myself spiritually. And for you. It was like a reminder that you've done a lot of work on yourself. It was a lovely feeling. And I said, Boy, this, this really depends where you're at how you handle these things. And for me, I was able to help other people, I would say, my sister in law got sick a couple years later, I said, Look, I got scared, too. I got overwhelmed. I thought of the worst possible outcome. Oh, you can't do that. Take it, take it. Take a deep breath. And so the way I handled it was and it sounds so simple, but it was really helpful. I just said, No, we're not going to worry about that. We're going to worry about the very next doctor appointment. And we're going to get through that. Yeah, we're going to worry about the very next surgery, and we're going to get through that other people are handling this for you. And you're just going to do each step. And it worked. It was great. And we're going to have a divine assistance in everything that we do. divine assistance is there. Now, let me make clear. divine assistance is innate intelligence. Its source energy. It's the glue that holds everything together. It's, it's everything in between every molecule, every atom all the space in between source energy. Think about it like this, too. You want to get down to the nitty gritty on this. It's subatomic. That's why my practice my chiropractic is quantum healing International. Oh, I love that. Because we're working on the quantum heal. What's a quantum shift? It's a very tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny shift, and it changes everything. When an atom moves from one area of probability to another area of probability, it changes the makeup of the molecule. That's intense. So if we're the macrocosm of that microcosm, then our shift in reality changes everything. So that's why people have instant healings. That's why they go Oh, I feel lighter already. That's why I had this client who I was working with who is in her 90s. And she was really suffering from the loss of her daughter in law who died and she was really missing her and it was disturbing her that how much she was not being able to move through it. Yes. And the first session, she's like, Well, that was the See that? I feel so much better already. I thought this was going to take weeks. And I said, Well, we did something because you haven't had any of this work done before is going to feel like that it's going to feel like a big shift. And now we can, you know, really work on you staying in that level, because you want to practice doing that. And that's what makes a difference, that consistency makes the difference. So if you're consistent with it, and you're consistent with your spiritual practice, or you're consistent with checking in with yourself to seeing, you know, where am I at with this today, and you go out today, it's not that great. Like, you know what to do. While I was talking with a friend about how you, you get better, you do the work, you get better. And actually two friends, they both agreed, but you still, you still, you know, go into that stink and thinking it's just that you catch it faster. That's what I find. That's it faster. And also you know what to do about it? Yes. And also, people say, Well, why is this still coming up again? I'm like, because there's another level of it ready to heal. You're like a spiral. It's a spiral, like you're in the same place, but you're actually doing better with it, because now you're catching it faster. I do love that. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. spirals are lovely, aren't they? Yeah, spiral. I love that. There were, they were saying on some weird website that time is really a spiral that's much more accurate. That you're, you know, you're closer to the past as you move up certain parts of the past because this is very, you know, there's spirals not a line, you can also do the spiral of shame. Oh, this sucks. And here's the reason why. And I'm right about that. And when we're doing Emotional Freedom Technique and tapping on those things, it releases it releases, it releases it over and over again. Because what the tapping does is it takes you from fight or flight interest digest to heal every single time. Every time that is so cool, really simple. Connection. Yeah. That, you know, reminded me of, they talk about junk DNA, quote, unquote, junk DNA. And more and more people are saying, Why did they call it junk? I mean, there's so much that happens and so much DNA, so much a portion of your DNA. And that's really your transmitter that you're connecting, connecting? Well, here's the thing. It's like, they also say that you only use 10% of your brain. That's not true. Yeah, they say that, yeah, because they can measure that. But if you don't have great if you don't have an instrument to measure something, if you still think the sun revolves around the Earth, because you don't have a way to see that, then you're gonna see that you can't expand your mind, then they'll kill you. That's what happened to Galileo, I know, you're ready your Sony kill you. If you're a doctor at Harvard, and you discover that there's actually a bacteria that causes ulcers, they will fire you, because that's not what causes ulcers. But here's the facts. So science and religion are very, very similar. If you go against the grain, on anything that's an established, which makes no sense to me. Science is all about discovering the next thing, being flexible and changing as you as you learn new things, right? That's what we learned in school will get entrenched, they do. They get totally entrenched. And if somebody says something different as Bruce Lipton about that, yes, somebody says something different than they, you're done. Yeah, you're out of here. Well, they did that to all the junk science. Yeah, in the beginning of Lyme disease, these doctors were brave, and they treated people and they talked about long term Lyme, and they were denied insurance approval, they were made fun of they were run out of the town on a rail, I had Lyme disease. It was a nightmare trying to find somebody to treat it because I had it back before people were hip to it ran. Yep, I felt like when people talked about it, before I had it, I felt like they sounded a little crazy, to be honest. Because the symptoms are so all over the place, you know, thank goodness for lyme patients, because somebody who had Lyme, told me, you know, your your weirdo symptoms add up to something and I found a good place to be tested and treated. But yeah, you're so right, that there's a real rejection. There's a real upholding of, you know, what we know? And this is what we know, my place in society. I know about this, you need to, you know, like that. I saw this recently, some meme that was like, so you're the only one who has the point of view? That's correct. How interesting. That is some graffiti that besotted said, well, well, well, if it isn't the emotions I was trying to avoid all along. You know, somebody made my head explode like 10 years ago when they said, we were running. I was helping my friends run a big gun. A Expo. And he said, Well, how do you want to do this? You know, there's a lot of right ways to do this. And I was like, what? What's, there's a lot of right ways. And I just honestly had never said it that way. And I thought about it. And he's like, he's so right. He's so exactly right. There's so many ways that would work. Why do we get so attached to one way we get attached, because we want to have all the answers and control earlier, if you don't have room for mystery in your life, room for unanswered questions in your life. If you have to get it all figured out, that's a really good indicator that there's something that's going on in you that really doesn't need to be going on. That's such a good connection. I really think it has to do with how much bacteria how much viruses, how much yeast is in your body? Because they all have their own way of wanting to stay surviving to Yeah, yeah. And it can change your thinking, you can have brain fog, because of those things. Yeah, you really want to get clear about what you're receiving from source. Because that's gonna help you guide you through life. Like what I say, and you've probably seen this in other places, if God is your co pilots, which seats you want to be, I love that. God drive, whatever you know, and one of the things, one of the ways that you can do that is you learn how to get yourself Quiet, quiet down all the busyness and list making an off the stuff that you're telling, and that committee back there that mean girl, quiet it all down. So that you can receive that information. Because healing happens above, down inside out. Above down inside out. It doesn't happen for me going to that doctor unless I've been sent to that person through source. Right. Right, unless you have the experience of knowing something just like I don't know how I know this, but I know this. This is what a lot of my clients tell me, I don't know how I found you. But I know I'm supposed to work with you. Yeah, that happens. And it happens a lot. And the thing that I tell people is, there's no coincidence here. Right? That's not a thing. That's what people make up when they don't want to say that there's anything else that has to do with it. But you know, I don't work with a lot of atheists, by the way. That's so interesting. They've got it all figured out. They're happy with that. And that's fine. They don't have to, you know, what's funny, they some of the some atheists, I know, they worship the rational. It's a very religious thing. It's just not God centered, they worship the rational. So that's why they need to control everything and explain anything and analyze everything and be logical, because they worship that and you can't puncture it. Not all atheists are like that, to actually have room for mystery. And I don't know. And that's okay, then that's that you can work with, I don't know. But here like, feel this, what does this feel like to you? So I do a lot of work on subconscious emotional memories that are overriding present time. So you have a subconscious emotional memory. That means it's a memory that you have that has intense emotion attached to it. And you can't consciously remember it, you didn't even know, consciously so it's running your body. It's doing it right now. And right now, and right now and right now right now and it happens to everybody. That's how human beings are wired. We haven't evolved past that yet. But we're, we're working on it. Yeah. And the whole idea is that every emotion that you have that goes unexpressed, that goes on, acknowledged, that is not honored, gets subverted down, basically into second chakra, into the bowl of your pelvis, and it sits there and it will come out another way. If you don't deal with it, it doesn't go as Yeah, because the here's remember what I said it's an intense emotional feeling. Every emotion has its own physiology. What do you think those feelings are? Do you think their love know their regret their fear their resentment? Every negative feelings is basically fear. Every positive feeling is basically love. They're just all different shades of those feelings. So if you're feeling angry, what are you I'm afraid of, right. There's always fear behind it. The bottom belief is what? And why is that bad? Oh, I'm so angry. This person, you know, ripped me off. And I should go Adam and get my money back. And, you know, people that are always sewing somebody? Yeah. Yeah, it's like a habit. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go after them, and I'm going to show them, you know that they're wrong. And like, that doesn't work all the time. Doesn't work a lot of the time. Sony does something criminal, you shouldn't, you know, get justice. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, working on that. Inside. No, put it outside, get a lawyer. Have somebody do that. Right. Right. Don't do it inside yourself and suppress it and suppress it and suppress it. This is why I work with a lot of people who have had childhood sexual abuse. Because he was talking about that. Well, Oprah is not talking about that so much anymore, because she's the number talk show. But there are a lot of people, four out of five women who have had some kind of sexual abuse happened to them as children, four out of five children, I should say, Oh, my God, four out of five, four out of five. It's a lot. It's huge. And here's what happens. It gets suppressed, don't tell anybody. I'll kill your family. If you tell anybody. They get threatened. So now that goes down there too. And it all goes down into this experience. And what happens to women when they grow up and they've had that happen to them, miscarriage, stillbirth can't get pregnant, can't fulfill what they feel is their purpose on life on the Earth. But there's a whole complex children web of emotion. And so when it's not addressed, we have bad. And this country, in our country, the US, we have the highest infant mortality rate of any industrialized country. And there are about 40 countries that are bringing down faster than we are. That's crazy. We have the highest incidence of heart disease in women. It's way far away more women die of heart disease than they do have cancer. My infant, but what are we doing to help people protect their heart? What do we do? We punish them. We punish them over and over and over again. We don't hold them and say yes, we need those, those women groups to come together to be together, we need that support with each other. That's why I have a group online healing with the blues. It's a group that we have on Facebook, where people can come and I do a healing session every Tuesday morning and just did one this morning, every Tuesday morning at 930. You can watch it live 930 Central. Sounds amazing. And you can watch it anytime just join the group. And what happens in that is you get a healing session. But then there's also other ways to interact with people who have been through something similar. And I do classes and, you know, carry on with the classes and all kinds of things. And then we do performing with the band to you're intrigued by that that's part of this. So about 13 years ago, I want to say I started singing with my husband's band every once in a while I'd get up and sing a couple songs at one particular place where they would have this kind of jam every six weeks or so. And I go and and then it started to be when I walked in the door, people would say oh, you're gonna sing. Oh, and I was like, they like it. They want they want me to sing. And I was doing it for me. Because I'm like, I'm in my 50s I don't care anymore what people think, you know, late 40s, early 50s. And I was like, I don't care. So now you know how old I am. But you don't look at. But see, I'm happy to look at because I'm here. Yay. Yeah, I mean, we're alive. We made it. I don't want to repeat any of that stuff over again. There was a couple couple years that were really great. I left there are a few things I ended up feeding. Yeah. But the problem is like, you know, when people start wanting you to do it, then you're like, oh, okay, so now they want me to do it. And a couple friends of ours who are also musicians. My husband's a bass player has been playing bass for a long time. And they said, Why aren't you guys doing something together? And I looked at him and I said, Well, do you want to? And he's like, Yeah, sure, he goes, but if we put a band together you're gonna have to get gigs because they don't just want to rehearse with you know, was like, Oh, yeah. Can we get gigs? And he's like, Yeah, we get gigs. So at this point, we've played some pretty big festivals and lots of wonderful places, and we're getting ready to do the healing with the blues program. It's this edutainment infotainment, to help people understand the connection between blues and healing, so that they so that we're also keeping the blues alive, because it's important to keep that art form alive. And to help them understand why is this a healing experience? Because classical music can heal, too. Yeah. Yeah, classic classical music is a healer. That I feel that way. In fact, they did some dinner, do studies that say it helps organize your brain or make or make your brain sort of feel balanced? Yeah, I mean, the fact is, is like if you listen to Mozart, when you're studying, you'll retain more information. I love that. And I also, frankly, have always loved the blues. And I had no idea why I just always did. And if you go to my YouTube channel, I'm doing well, which is, okay, I'll put all this in the show notes. Then you'll see I've done interviews with lots of blues musicians, why what is Blues as a healer mean to you? And they're pretty much saying, because somebody's speaking my feelings, because somebody's had this happen to them. And then I'm experiencing it with them. And now I can release it. So again, talking about releasing negative feelings, but not just negative feelings, but acknowledging, owning and honoring your feelings. Yeah. How about that, and knowing you're not alone, sharing, knowing it, and music, which is pure vibration? Why not? So when I say hold on that, and now it's a thing, so nobody, I don't think anybody else is doing it. That's been an actual doctor of healing, I think so. So that's why I want to get this message out to the world, I want people to understand that this is a real thing. And they can have that experience of healing. Intentionally. Yeah, not just oh, I happen to be there. And boy, it was great. But you can seek it out, you can seek it out. And you can actually create it for yourself and with self, if you really want to dive into it, then you can work with me. And I'm not teaching you how to sing the blues, you can do that. I'm teaching you the feelings that are behind that and how you can acknowledge own and honor your feelings. And how you can acknowledge own and honor the generations of information that's landed on you, and how you can release it. So it's, it's really powerful. And I've spent, you know, over 30 years studying this, practicing it, living it. And it's very rewarding in that way. Because people have instant healings, they have healings, and then they want more. And that's the thing that's really cool about this is like once you have that healing experience, and you're like, that's what it feels like. And what I can describe it as is like a breeze goes through the room, and yet there is no air moving. That's what it feels like. It feels like you catch that wave at just the right point. And it takes you all the way into the beach. And you just land on the sand. That's what it sounds wonderful. To me. It's a good feeling. You're making me want to do this. It's kind of addictive, actually. How can I do this by myself? Okay, so I'll show you how to do it. That's why we practice using the tools so that you can bring because this is not something that is rocket science, you can actually do this, anybody can do this. We actually want people to be able to experience and I say we like most healers, all healers that are doing this for the reason of that they want love and, and healing and peace in the world is because you can do this, but you don't you haven't been taught how to do it. Right? You have the power to heal within you. But you've been taught you don't have any power. You've been taught some other person has the power. Well, I read something about how could there be a placebo effect if we don't, you know, have the power to heal ourselves. And I am embarrassed to say I never really thought of that until recently. I was like well, of course. And I have a very strong, you know, quote unquote placebo effect. In fact, I've stopped recommending like supplements to people because I realized they work for me because, you know, I believe they will. Yeah, it's it's one of those things where if you If you feel any tug or pull after hearing this, and it starts to like, you think that there's something, there's something in here for me, then I'm going to encourage you to follow that leading. And so we call it it's like a tap that you're getting from source listen up. Like I said, don't wait for it to be the two by four have harsh reality. Don't wait. Don't wait for that. If you feel that tug, in, you're like, you just said, Boy, you're making me want to do this. It's not me that's making you want to do it, hearing the truth and saying, I want more truth more, knowing that this power is within me, I want to get in touch with that power that's within me, I want to know that it's my friend, I want it to be there with me all the time, I want to sit in the passenger seat and say, You know what I'd really like to do, I'd really like to go here. If you have that in your life, if you want that in your life, then get in touch with me, because it's so important for you to know that there is a way for you to do that. You don't have to be out there in the weeds in the swamp looking for it. This right here. And divine assistance is always available. So if you feel like you're hearing this, and it's it's actually you're getting tapped on the shoulder saying, this is for you. Listen, yeah, take an action. Don't just stuff it again. Don't stuff it again. You know, we've all heard the story about the guy who died in the flood. It goes to heaven says Why didn't you save me? And God says, I sent you two boats in a helicopter. What else do you want? That that's a good one. It makes sense. Because people will and I understand there's a time for you to take action. There's a time for you to not do anything and wait. But listen there. You'll know the difference. When you're listening to this. You'll know what the difference is. You'll you'll feel it. And you'll also feel that mean committee that mean girl? Yeah. Say That's not for you. That's what I want you to watch out for? Yes. But she'll say oh, look out for her. Yeah, she'll say, you can do this on your own. You don't need anybody. Yeah, that's the way she'll say it, too. Oh, yeah. She said that to me a lot. You need to do things alone a lot. Yeah. And that's one thing, I think I finally learned that you really don't need to do everything by yourself. And especially if you're female, especially if you're female, because females need each other women need each other. They do. And that doesn't mean that men don't and trans don't. Of course, they do need each other. We all do. We all need connection. And I It does make me sad, because I see people less connected to nature and to each other. Like for me, nature's a real lifesaver. I've stayed in touch and I Well, it's another podcast, but I you know, I started to be aware of the mother, I started to be aware of Mother Earth, I started to literally have her, you know, intrude in a nice way, in my thoughts. And I was like, Wow, what a connection. Have you ever been aware of the spirit that's in the earth, this plants and have them communicate with you? Because I have the Divas. Right. Yeah. I remember years ago, and this is like I had to carefully but you may make me think of but I was coming out of work. I had worked really hard and long. And it was the end of the day was almost sundown. And I was coming out of this giant building one of the AT and T buildings. And I was walking down this huge wide sidewalk. And there were little trees like not full grown trees at all on on either side. And they were I learned later they were pin oaks, my husband identified them. And they were sort of stretching up. And I just said, why do they Oh, why do I like these so much? Because you come out and you're kind of like overtired. And so you're maybe more receptive. And I just said why do I like these so much? And an answer came and it said because they're reaching and they're striving and you love that feeling? And I was like okay, so long ago, but I never forgot that feeling of that communication. Yeah. And when you allow yourself to, you can really be grounded in that energy and it can help you even things out. So one of the things that I talk about with my clients is grounding themselves going out and standing on the ground in their bare feet or their socks. I do that I started doing that. It's wonderful. Oh my gosh, it's it's very fast. It doesn't take any time at all. And you'll go ah, when you do it almost every time my blood pressure's very low. Yeah, it really changes things got being in fight or flight is up is really not helping people. Yeah, it's a survival instinct. And here's what I want to remind people. When you're in fight or flight, your blood pressure goes up, your heart rate goes up, your immune system shuts down, your digestion shuts down. And it could be from hearing a plastic bag blowing down the street behind you and thinking that it's somebody following you write the trigger. It's your mind that does it. And it's not mine that does it. And how can you be healthy? If all those things shut down? It's a very good point. And what do you do to bring yourself out of it? So just do for camp breathing really quickly? It's really that simple. The teach day one reveals to do it. I just saw it in a movie recently. And I was like, Oh, good. And people are starting to catch on getting it. Yeah, this is, this is something that you can do that will help you think clearer, have more ideas, better opportunities, be more creative, walk in love, all of those good things. Well, you are a beacon for us. I tell you, you really are and I've just loved talking to you today. Is there anything you'd like to leave us with? I mean, you said so many good things, but I like to give people a chance. At the end. I really think that the most important thing is to know that you have the power within you to heal. And when you have someone teach you how to use it. You have the superpower of choice, and you're not a victim anymore. You're not a victim. I love that. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you so much land. I appreciate you. You're the best