Season 2 - Episode 11 -- She didn't know she was pregnant until she started to give birth! Katie Feaster talks about her surprise baby and what the experience has taught her

Hello, and welcome to The Storied Human. Today my guest is Katie Feaster. She works at a center that helps victims of domestic abuse. Her story is not common, but it does happen. She became pregnant and didn't know it until she started to give birth. She has a nine month old son who she adores and wanted to share her story to help raise awareness. So welcome, Katie. It's so nice to have you here. It's so nice to be here. Thank you for having me. And thank you for reaching out because I know we were in the same networking group. So we know each other in person, which is a really nice thing, you know, to already know somebody in person. And I kind of put out the request if anyone had a story and you came forward. So let's just start wherever you want to start, like this was an incredible story. And it's yours to tell you? Well, yes, I like to tell it, usually, because it's for the shock factor. Which is very good for it's definitely a conversation starter. My dentist shook my hand after he heard it, because he just couldn't believe it. And he had to say run that past me again. So we get a lot of those reactions. But I don't usually get to talk about what the experience actually taught me. And I definitely do want to share that because I feel like a lot of women don't realize just how strong they are until they're in crises, or they have something huge happened to them. But I'll rewind a little bit just because it does require some backstory. Um, so I didn't know I was pregnant, as you mentioned. And part of that was because I actually thought I was having maybe like, some PCOS symptoms, or maybe even like some gastrointestinal issues. Um, so I didn't really think anything of it because it wasn't severe enough to rise to the level of concern for the longest time. So at this point, I was putting myself through school, going for my bachelor in psychology of addictions. And I noticed that it was progressively getting a little bit worse. But again, like not anything too concerning. Wasn't really putting on weight. I was just maybe like, mildly bloated. My coworker likes to tell people looks like a half a cheeseburger. So yeah. So it wasn't noticeable. We did have a client that said, Oh, are you pregnant, too? And I took such great offense to that, because I was like, why would she think I was pregnant? Well, that's to say, though, that's not very polite. Yeah, of course. Yeah. At the time, you know, looking back on it, it's hilarious now, but I was like, wow, that was so rude. But she was right on the nose. The one day, yeah. I have PCOS. So I know that, you know, you can have all kinds of things like skipped periods and mean, and then swelling. Yeah, I get it like that. How you could maybe not know. Yes, yeah. And so women don't gain a lot of weight. When their parents and I wasn't having the common symptoms of pregnancy. I was actually speaking with a friend who has PCOS. And she said, you know, it really does sound similar. And I said, Okay, well, once I'm done paying my way through school, I'll be able to afford the co pays because I don't think it's anything that's too urgent right now. Little did I know. On the morning of March 14, I was getting ready for work. And I had had really bad stomach issues all night. And I said, Oh, my goodness, maybe? I don't know, do I have food poisoning from something I ate, but the pain got closer and closer. So it was more spaced out for a while. And now obviously, I know it was contractions, but at the time, I didn't know what to expect. So I called off work. I was getting ready still because I thought well, I might have to go to urgent care. And the cramping was so severe, so I ran a bath. And to tell you the truth, I blacked out. And the next thing I know I looked down and there was a tiny human in my tub. No way. Yes, yes. So you gave birth at home by yourself? I did. So luckily you're amazing. And that's it. I can't imagine it looking back now because I think that I probably blocked it out from shock. Luckily, my mom was home because I don't Yes, yes. I don't know how long I actually sat in the tub. It felt like hours. Could have been maybe five minutes, but I was just so stunned. I couldn't move If, and I don't know how I thought of, to wrap them up in a towel, and I went to the bottom of the hallway, and I don't remember, my mom had told me that I was screaming. I'm holding a baby mama. I'm holding a baby. So she rushes upstairs and I find out later her first thought was, okay, it. I don't know how far along the baby was, is it going to be alive? At that point, I didn't know if it was a boy or a girl. I was just shaking. And I was stunned. My mom gets to the top of the stairs. And she was she was cycling between. Oh my God, what do we do? Oh my god. He's so cute. Oh, my God. One of those crazy Oh my god moments. Yeah, it's so dang bad. Right? Yes. Fourth thing of the shock of that I had no idea that you had to go through this alone. Yeah. For your mom. I mean that you were literally in the tub. But that just makes it even harder for me to imagine. Yes, I have that shock of it doesn't know. And now you have a baby. You wake up and there's a baby in your tub. Yes. It does not feel real. Even looking back on it. But I'm even as my mom was on the phone with 911 which was probably a very hilarious call. I can imagine. She goes yeah, yeah. Idea. So the emergency squad guys get there. So to the police and the police man goes, I have to let you know my body cameras on. And I was like, honestly, I don't care at this point. He goes, Do you know anything about babies? And I said, No. And he laughed at me. But sincerely. I had worked with kids in the past. I didn't know anything about babies. How would we right at that age, right? Like you just who? Unless you had a little sibling or cousin. Right. Right. You don't tend to know much. Yeah, absolutely. So they were making fun of me. But I just remember them wheeling me out. And I mean, the cord was still attached. They didn't want to do anything about that. And luckily, my son was breathing. And he was moving. So we knew he was okay. But that hospital ride, that ambulance ride was such a shock. I just remember the paramedic asking me What are you going to name them? Are you going to keep them? And I was like I? I don't know. I don't know. I was pregnant until like a minute ago. So give me a minute. Take a little bit to process it. Yeah. So by the time we got there, we were this talk of the nurse's station for those three days. So a nurse came in and she was like, Oh, you're one of those weird people we hear about on the news? I guess I Oh, yeah. But so I mean, needless to say it was it was a shock for the entire family. I just remember my parents came later with clothes. And my sister was actually working that day. And her the salon where she works is right across the street from the hospital where I was. And they had said, Megan, your sister gave birth to a boy this morning, she nearly fainted at work, because she had seen me the day before everyone in my family had and that that was the last thing they would have thought would happen. So this really is unbelievably shocking. Like, I don't know, how you adjusted or how or what you did with? Well, I think part of it is I have had crisis and trauma informed training. So I think that kind of helps. But it was your right? Yeah, in a weird way. But I think, you know, there was I'm not gonna lie. It was it was difficult. There was a lot of adjusting. And the three days that I was in the hospital, I would say I learned a lot in a very short span of time. So the first thing that I learned how to change a diaper, and the nurses I remember it was funny, they would speak to me as though I was someone who had been expecting to be expecting for not Yeah. Right the regular way, right. Yeah, so I almost had to remind them Hey, like, I was not ready for any of this. There. And I think maybe collectively I got like three hours of sleep. My entire hospital. So stay very delirious. Very delirious. Yeah. You know what, when I was in the hospital, I was really, I mean, there was a lot to think about. My son wasn't named until the second day because I had all these boy names planned out because I years ago, I didn't know if I wanted a child. I really didn't think that I was equipped to be a mom. And so, you know, one of my fears was, well, am I really? Am I going to be able to provide for this little boy the way he needs it. And so I wound up with the name Noah. Because when I was pregnant, it was a song that I listened to all the time, called Noah. And it was just this. It's the sweet, like happy little song that always put me in a good mood when I heard it, and it just seemed to fit in. But of course, now, people make the joke. Oh, well, is it because he was born in the bathtub? You know, that was quite a flow. It's funny now. No. Yeah. But so, you know, there's a lot that I learned while I was in the hospital, I just remember the first night looking at him and realizing that I really needed to change a lot in my life if I was going to be with this little boy needed. So the first thing being when it came to people, I chose to have close to me, a lot of times, it would be people who I thought I could help in some way. And because especially for relationships, I didn't think that I deserved that level of relationship. So I said, well, at least I can leave them better than I found them. So it wasn't always necessarily people that I liked as people, if that makes sense. It doesn't make sense. Yeah. So kind of a codependent thing, you know? Yes, absolutely. Really? Yeah, I've been there. And I still so like, slip into that with people. It's a really strong like, trait in some of us. Yes, absolutely. And, you know, it took a lot to come to that level. But looking at my son, I realized, you know, I can't I can't do that anymore. I need to surround myself with people who are good, not only for me, but especially for him. So that was the biggest realization I had. And but you know, it wasn't all at once. But I started realizing that I needed to ask for help, which is something that I was terrible at doing before I had my son, because I was very much the kind of independent person where I'd say, I'll do it myself. It's fine. I've got it, I can handle it. And I was afraid to ask for help. So I think on some level, this was the universe telling me you can't do that anymore. Yeah. I'm so struck, that you've realized that so soon, and that you thought about, things have to change, and I can't surround myself with just anybody anymore, because it's not just me. So I'm curious about did you feel like you bonded with him during those three days? Because that's, you know, you didn't even know you were going to have him? Right. You know, like, that's, it's complicated anyway, like with the normal birth, where you're planning, it's just such a shock anyway, to have a baby. And people talk about not bonding right away. Yeah. You started to bond with him? Or did that take a little while? Um, it took until about when I got into the hospital when I held him for the first time. And I have read where with a lot of cryptic pregnancies there's this disconnect between the mother and child, it would make sense to me. Yeah, that would make and cryptic Is that what it's called? A cryptic pregnancy? Yes. Yes. The school's name? Yeah, I think it sounds very cool. I like using that term as much as I can. But I, my biggest fear was looking at my son and not seeing myself but seeing someone who someone who I hadn't liked as a person and him being very tough. Very tough. Yes. But I looked at him and instantly just fell in love. He's just Yeah, little Noah. Yeah, yes, his own person. And from day one, it had that personality and I just knew I was like, you know, I'm, I know it's going to be difficult, but I gotta keep this boy. I gotta end. Yeah, you were all Yeah. Terrified, but I couldn't not because he's just the sweetest boy even then. Just so happy all the time. Yeah. So wonderful. Yeah, they don't always come out that way. No, no, no. But he didn't cry until I got to the hospital and he's very much that way. So he's, you know, he's the best surprise baby I could have asked for. I will say that he is the surprise that keeps on giving me call him because he is just doesn't cry hasn't needed a pacifier since he was a few months old. sleeps through the night eats, sleeps, does everything he needs to do and he doesn't make a fuss about it. So yeah, it's very, very lucky in many ways. And especially considering after I got out of the hospital, we got test results, which basically confirmed we are not only lucky to get out of the experience healthy but without Have any kind of defects and with both of us alive, so amazing to me. I know I think about how tragically this could have gone. Yeah. I mean that Yeah, it's so wonderful that you were both healthy and that he was healthy. It I consider us lucky every single day. And so what do you like now nine months is so fun. I really do love babies, but especially love like, you know, seven to 10 months. That's like, I think my favorite because they don't run away from you yet. So that's, that's harder. But they're really aware and they're so fun. Yes, he you know, he is incredibly interactive. People usually think he's older than he is because he makes eye contact and he chatters away. He's such a happy little boy so he'll he can say mama. He can say Papa, which is my dad, Uma, which is my mom. And he tries to say his aunt's name, which is Megan. He gets nickname or nickname which is close enough. Curly Yeah, yes. Was the early art and Charmin does sounds very hot. Yes. He's very charming. His new thing however, is he growls at everyone. His grandpa taught him that so I think he thinks when he's that's just how people express their happiness. So so now we weren't people who are meeting know it, you know, if he coughs or growls at you, you have to do it that you just have to do it. Just have to, it's the way they communicate. So I'm thinking about how nice that is that you do have your family. I'm sure it makes a big difference. And it's so bad for him, you know, to be raised with his relatives, and not just not there's anything wrong with you. But it's so nice to have a family of people doting on you, you know, it's just so sweet. Yeah. And, you know, for the longest time I suffered from that mom guilt of, you know, I should really be the one who's taking care of him. I don't want to burden my family with that. But I, I realized, like I mentioned before, that it's okay to ask for help. And they love him as much as I do. So they're willing to do anything for that little boy. So it's just nice knowing that he has that support, regardless of what is that happening during my day. I know that he's there with one of my family members. So impressed with your family, because they feel to me like they just saw him as a wonderful surprise. You know, and they just said, this is our gift. Right? Yeah, he's good. Yeah. To all of you. And I love that you see it that way that you see that he changed you? Oh, for the better, definitely. And it really, I feel like put things into perspective, in terms of what matters most in my life. And it really, it really changed the way I view my day to day life as well. Because everything I do, I feel like is for that little boy. And I just, you know, I miss him during the day, but I go home and I'm like, I just can't wait to smash him. Because he's just such a sweet guy. And I yeah, I just really couldn't have asked for a better surprise baby. So thank goodness, it worked out. I'm really happy to hear that. And I wish I could swish him myself because he sounds adorable. And it is amazing how a baby just like snaps your priorities into place. Yes. I mean, if you let them I mean I, I was way older than you. And so for me having a baby was like, shocking like that my life was so different, because my life had been without a baby for so long. And I remember just saying to my husband, like, I think I want to go back to the way things were definitely got a low point, because our daughter had colic for three months, every night, and we would have to walk her up and down the stairs and pounder on the back. And I just remember feeling like I'm not up to this, you know, luckily, I had my husband and he developed this method of like almost stomping up the stairs, because he had read about the guests falling up the stairs and pat on the back almost so hard that I was afraid. But it worked. It worked. And she got better after a couple of months. And, and I you know, definitely adjusted but it can be hard, it can be hard. And I'm amazed that you were able to do it without nine months of thinking about it, you know? Well, I will say you know, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. There were many times where I just found myself so down on myself and just to the point where I could have I could have burst into tears because I just there was so much that was changing in my life. Yeah. And you know, not only having a surprise child but having my first full time job and learning to balance the two. Because really feeling that pressure that I need to support this boy Anyway, I can. But it has leveled out because I am beginning to surround myself with those people that I realized I need to surround myself with when I was in the hospital. So it definitely has leveled out significantly since when I first heard him. I mean, it's only been nine months, and I feel like you really adjusted, and you really figured it out. And you so is there anything you could tell other women that you looking back, you realize might have been a sign? Or is there any advice that you could give someone? I would say if you're able to be in a position where you can get a doctor's appointment as just just do it, even if it's a small change in your health, which i i realized now I should have done earlier, but I was so stressed the school that I wasn't really putting my health first to good point. A lot of us do that. And I think when you have something like PCOS, you just kind of take it in stride. It's like, oh, yeah, this, you know, you're almost used to the symptoms, I can understand how you would talk yourself out of, Oh, it's nothing serious, you know? Absolutely. Yeah. And it was just really good advice. Yeah, definitely. I think we should all take that advice. Because I Yeah, and I not only just for this, but with anything really because I think especially in the world that we're living in now, there's this emphasis on romanticizing overworking ourselves, and placing our self care and our, our health last, which I think a lot of people tend to get backwards. And I think health is one of the most important things that we can have when we have our health. We have more than we realize. We don't want to let it get to the point where you regret not getting help sooner. You know, I know. And I wound up being very lucky in this scenario, but it could have gone a lot worse. Yeah. So I would just say, you know, even if it's a small change, it's it's better to make sure it's better to be safe than sorry. Well, I'm just so tickled that you shared your story with me. I think it's very powerful. I admire your strength. I think it really does speak to how strong women can be when they need to be. And I'm impressed with how your whole family rallied around that little sweetie, that little surprise. Is there anything else you'd like to share with us? Is there anything else that you wanted to say? I would just like to say that sometimes, sometimes huge experiences or unexpected experiences can really show you that you're capable of more than you think you can handle. Because I really defied the expectations I had of myself and the things that I thought I was capable of handling. And it was incredibly worth it for this little boy, but I think everyone kind of doubts their own abilities. Yeah. And do you see yourself differently now? Like you feel more capable? Like you feel like you could handle something else big? Um, depending on what it is another surprise maybe anytime soon? I'm going to say maybe not. But yes, but I think yes, I definitely see myself as being capable of more than I gave myself credit for. I think that's wonderful. I think the lessons you got from this are wonderful. And I know that someone's going to hear this. And they're going to be able to either learn from it, or share at some other point, if maybe one of their friends says, Oh, I don't feel right. Maybe they're not pregnant, but they'll get them to the doctor a little sooner because they heard this story. And that's a wonderful thing. Well, I'm glad if it can help anyone at any capacity. And it is kind of fascinating to hear it from somebody that actually happened to we all know it does happen. And I don't think we understood how easy it is to have it happen. Actually, if you already have a syndrome, right? That makes you feel not so good. I can understand how you would just chalk it up to that. Because I have the same thing. And I know, there are times when I still feel pregnant. You know, it's like, now that I've been pregnant. I know. You'll probably notice that now from now forward, you'll be like, this kind of feels like I can see why I was confused because PCOS feels like being pregnant. Oh my gosh. Oh, and talking about the people asking if you're pregnant. Somebody asked at a New Year's Eve party when I was 49 years old. I was 48. And I was turning 49 and four months. And I did have a belly and she asked she just said something like, oh, Aren't you lucky? You're gonna have a new baby soon. And she was older. So I I just said it's okay, you know? Yeah, I pretended like it was a compliment. I said, Oh, well. I'm so flattered that you think I'm young enough to have a baby. I'm going to be 49 couple of months. She's like, I don't know what she was more shocked with. I wasn't pregnant or that I looked young, but it was pretty funny. People should just keep their mouth shut, right? Yes, absolutely. I never say anything. I remember I was sitting with a woman at work. And she was like out to here. And I knew she was probably pregnant, didn't say a word. I waited for her to say, like, I will never, ever say that to anybody. No. I mean, like I said, looking back on it now, it's funny. But at the time, I was so offended. Yeah, it is offensive. I just don't think anyone should go there. So in your work, have you found that you understand just a little bit more when you're dealing with moms? Yes, and especially, especially when it's single moms or, and especially when it's a very, very young child, um, but really a child of any age. It's just that need to want to protect your kids and do what you can for them. It I can understand now, why things are always more emotional when there are kids involved. And I have to say, even just having a kid made me even more sensitive to those things. So I mean, internally, I want to cry right with them. But I can't externally, but I do empathize on a different level. Before I had a son, it does deepen your understanding. I remember feeling like that, because I was always pretty empathetic and sensitive. And I always love children. And I had a nephew and a niece and I loved being around them. But once I had my own, I was like, Whoa, you know, like, this is both the good and the bad. Like, this is what women go through. This is not easy, you know, being up all night, or just worrying or Oh, my God, you know, like somebody said, it's like taking your heart out of your chest and having it walk around. You know, that's how you feel sometimes. Yes, that wow, I hadn't heard that before. I just got chills. But that is that is so accurate. That hit me so hard. I was like, Yeah, and I think if you're, I think we don't talk about this all the time. But if you're sensitive anyway, which I sense that you and I both are. And if you're empathetic, anyway, motherhood is harder, because you're so sensitive, you know, like, you just, you have to be like, I know, for me, I constantly have to check whether I'm being smothering or over protective. Because I'm just so connected to my kids, and especially as they got older, I had to literally pull myself back. You know, so I think for some people, it's harder. Motherhood can be. Really, I think it's hard for all kinds of reasons. But I found it hard, because I'm just so emotional. You know, I would definitely agree with that. And I think as Noah gets older, I'll start facing more challenges that I didn't know that I was going to face, especially in terms of being sensitive and just just wanting what's best for him. But I think there will be that point where I have to kind of say, okay, he needs some space. But you can still give him what he needs from a distance for us to practice that. I know. It's just always been an issue for me. for Mother's Day, one time my family gave me a card it was a mama duck, with three little baby ducks, and they were in the water and they all had life preservers on. And ducks don't need life preservers. And I was like, you get me. Just had to laugh. I mean, they just nailed it. They nailed it. And as long as I'm aware of it, I'll be alright, I guess. But yes. You know, I was a little clingy there as a mom. Yeah. Because I just noticed sometimes with other moms, I would just say something like, Oh, I missed when they were a baby. And they're like, Yeah, but now you know, you can explore and you can, they're, they're moving along, and they're getting older, and I'm lucky, I'm happy for them. I love that they're doing well in school, but I missed when they were babies like it's, it's like that, it's like that you miss each thing. And I don't know if everyone misses it in the same way. Maybe it was hard for them, you know, when they're kind of glad that their child has moved on. But for me, you know, it's a series of losses, you know, it's like you love that they're at this new stage, but you've lost that other stage. And I think basically change is just hard for me. Yeah, well, I'm right there with you. And even just when when people tell me, Oh, you're gonna miss this stage. I told myself, I know I am and it's going to be incredibly hard to watch him grow. So you know, yeah, so you're Yeah. I was like, in the middle of college. I was like, I'm not going to miss this. I do miss it. I miss when she was tiny and she needed us so much. And I missed those first few days. You know, like just I miss giving her a bath when she could fit In a tiny little tub that no she couldn't even fit in the tub, she was kind of little. So I put her in the, they give you that thing that you can sit on if you're sore. It's like so tiny. It's like, it's maybe a foot long in diameter. And I put her in there because I felt like she would fit better. I know I missed that, ya know what? Oh, no, it was also a peanut. I could have held him with one hand, he was five pounds, 14 ounces, really teeny. Yeah. And I just remember, when I got room service in the hospital, one of the kids that brought my food left hand side to the other, did you see how tiny that baby's head was. So just, you know, seeing him from that moment, when he barely fit into the tub to now he's graduating to the Big Boy tub. It's just, it's incredible. I just lose your mind how fast it goes. And it's so fun. But again, it's so sad. Like, it's sad and happy. It's there's like what's called bittersweet, I just finished reading it for a book club. And it it's such a good book, and so well researched. And she talks a lot about how melancholy is part of fully enjoying life. And we pretend in our society that we're all happy and positive. And you know, I've grieved my relative for a year, and now I'm over it. And you know, like, all these things that we have in our culture, that deny the existence of that melancholy that brings depth. And that brings, you know, the, just the experience of fully being there. So nothing is all happy, right? But we like to as Americans pretend like it is, just makes it so much harder for everybody. I love the book, I highly recommended it. I wish I could remember her name over there in my pile of books, but I'm gonna Google it. So it's just got such depth to it. And she researched it for so long. And it's it's got so much to say, and you can take a melancholy quiz, I scored pretty high. Because it's not a bad thing. It just means you're sensitive, that you feel the sadness in things at the same time as the happiness. And to me. That's normal. Right? Yeah. And yeah, it just means that you feel everything, maybe more intensely than others. But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I think it was, I think it was Bob Ross that said, you can't have the light without the darkness. It's darkness and light. So I really, that really stuck with me, because it's so true. I think it's just that yin and yang, that balance of the two, it's not you can't have one without the other. Dark makes the light sweeter. And the sadness makes the happiness sweeter. And we all kind of know that. But we don't always acknowledge that other side. You know, she talks about toxic positivity, and about how people are just like, so happy and positive no matter what. And that's not helpful. That's not healthy. To your point, I think a lot of people don't acknowledge the fact that getting through something is different than getting over something. And kind of stress, you just have to get through it. And you have to kind of stuffed down these feelings. And it also does teach your kids you know, that's how we handle emotions, and especially for boys. One thing I'm becoming super aware of now that I have one is that boys especially are taught, you know, you're not allowed to have those feelings here. You're not allowed to cry. And that's just simply not the case. No, but you know, I've seen in roads, I've seen good things. I do see a difference in young men. I would agree with that. Yeah, I think they're different. And I love it. Yeah, yeah. My son and his friends. They're cool. You know, they, they respect women. I'm not saying all young men are like that. But I think there's been a change. There's been a shift. Yes, definitely. I think they will raise different sons and they will raise different daughters. So yeah, for that. Yeah. I'm excited for the future in that regard. But no, still nervous. Oh, yeah. Well, you're going to be great. And no, it's going to be so cool. Because he, he just has that feeling of like a spiritual gift, like the way like, here I am. Not conventionally, but here I am. Ready to go and Bora of you know that day, I forgot to mention it when we were leaving the hospital. My dad was in line at Starbucks because I was like, I just really need coffee. Mom comment. Yeah, yeah. So my mom and I were walking to the pharmacy to get some medicine for me. And he realizes that there's a priest in line. So he goes, I'll let you cut in front of me in line, but can you give my new grandson a blessing? So no one was blessed that day in the hospital. And probably one of the favorite moment my most favorite compliments that I've ever received was that the priests called me a long haul trucker. And then He said, he said, you know, this little boy is going to grow up. And he's going to stand up for what he believes in. And he's not going to be afraid to tell everyone where he comes from. And that just really stuck with me. What a lovely way to start. And yeah, that has a magical feeling to it. Well, I could talk to you all night, young lady, but I will let you go. Likewise. Thank you so much for coming on the story human and sharing your story. And is there is there any, like if someone has questions or something, is there a personal email you'd like to like me to put in the show notes? Or is there any I'm sure. Yeah. So it's the letters K T. Because my dad thought it was being he was being funny because it's K T dot F E A S T. er@att.net. Okay. So if people want to talk further or ask you on their podcast, they can send you email at K T dot disturbed that at&t dot net are done. Or? Yes. Okay. That's great. Thank you so much. Have a good night. Thank you. You as well take great, probably. You will. Bye. Bye by what a great interview with Katie, thank you so much to Katie Feaster for sharing the unusual story of her baby's birth with us. It is amazing what we can do more than we think we can when we have to. So I really appreciate her sharing. And I wanted to mention that the book I mentioned is called bittersweet. How sorrow and longing make us whole. by Susan Cain see ai n. I highly recommend it. It's a great book. And that was the one that we talked about a little bit. And Katie if you want to talk to her, or ask her any questions or get in touch with her, her private email is K T dot Feaster F e a s t er@att.net so many things to her. I wanted to remind you that if you have a story you'd like to share with me, feel free to send it to the story human@gmail.com You can also DM me on Instagram at LT underscore five seven Sorry, l Thompson underscore 574. And keep in touch with me if you'd like to join the Facebook group I have a public face group Facebook group called The Story human. I'd love to hear from you. I'd love to share your story if you feel you have one or you would you have a story you would like me to read. We've started a fairy tale. Fairy Tale Fridays I think it'll be or a fairy tale end of the month. We're not sure but we've done too and really enjoyed it. So keep in touch. 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