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Karen.
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Yes, if you found out that your body has been
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quietly running a filing system this whole time.
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It would explain why I'm exhausted, you know what it would.
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But if this filing system was storing every unresolved experience
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in your life, every old wound, every relationship pattern you
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swore you were done with, would you want to know
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where that.
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Filing cabinet was.
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I think chucked the filing cabin I want to get
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rid of it, right, get rid of all together. Well,
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apparently that filing cabinet actually exists, and apparently most of
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us have been trying to clean out that office without
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even opening the drawers. This is the exact problem that
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today's episode is built to solve, and our guest is
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going to give us three very specific handles to grab onto. First,
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he explains why the breakthroughs aren't sticking. Your body is
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running older programming than your consciousness, and until those two
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are talking to each other, inside just floats. Second, he
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maps the different dimensions of consciousness where you unresolved material
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actually lives and shows you how to work with what's
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in there, not to observe it from.
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A safe distance. Mm hmm.
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Get ready, and three. He makes the case and you
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literally cannot do this alone. See, growth stabilizes through connection,
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and trying to integrate in isolation is the one move
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that's almost guaranteed to slow everything down.
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So if you've ever felt like you're spiritually.
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Fluent but personally stuck, this is the conversation that I
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explains exactly why and what to actually do about it. Karen,
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Welcome to the Skeptic Benepositions. My name is Will and
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I'm garous, and unlike moulderin Scully.
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Both want to believe.
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So we've embarked in a journey of discovery.
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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
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physical world.
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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
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joined a coven of witches.
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And wait, you joined a coven yep.
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All the interests of finding something, anything that will prove
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that there's something beyond this physical.
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Three dimensional world we all live.
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So that this is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Hey there on, Will,
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welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphosicians, the show where we
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explore the parts of you that exist beyond your personality,
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survive beyond your body and apparently still can't stop texting
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your ex.
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Here's what I love about today's guests. Most people who
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end up.
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In this space teaching consciousness, work, nervous system healing, spiritual
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development got here because life handed them something they could
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not ignore. Our guest is no different. See he hit
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a wall at twenty four, went into recovery, and instead
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of just getting better and moving on, he got curious,
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like genuinely annoyingly curious kind of curious that leads a
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person to spend years reverse engineering the gap between knowing
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something and actually living in and what came out of
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that isn't philosophy. It's a map, a practical embodied here
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is exactly where you're stuck. Map that we used to
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gather consciousness, nervous system science, trauma and degreation, and relational
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healing into one cohesive framework. He is someone who walked
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a hard road but got genuinely curious about why the
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usual answers weren't enough and built something useful out of
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the wreckage. Blaze. Kennedy, welcome to the show. Is great
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to have you here today.
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Thank you you're psyching me up.
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Well as long as as long as I'm not psyching
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you out, because that would be a whole other conversations.
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In the end. Psyching me. You're pulling me into the
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conversation here.
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Awesome, awesome, All right, well then let's just dive right
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into the conversation blaze. People are doing all these kinds
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of things to handle these spiritual awakenings. They are tapping
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into modern spirituality. They're doing all the meditations, and they're
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doing all the work, the shadow work stuff, they're doing
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all that stuff, and yet and yet they find themselves
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not getting anywhere.
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What is going on here?
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Well, first, it's so wonderful that people are doing so much,
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and I think I'm predicting that people will do more
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and more and more as every day passes. So again,
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the fact that people care describe my process being motivated, caring,
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being curious, feeling your suffering is the entry point. And
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so it's a great place to start that if you care,
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and so if my job is to take that care
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that you have and leverage it for you to be successful.
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So for me, seeking and wanting and caring and trying
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is not at all a problem. It's how we find
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the solution. And my job is to share my experience
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and my unique take on this, and to say as
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well that I think people are getting less stuck. At
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least that's what I see. So I know what I
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would call old timers, people that went to meditation retreats
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made decades and decades ago, and their teachers would say
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something like, you know, one percent of you or even
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going to understand what I'm talking about. The rest of
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you are sort of forsaken. It's the kind of model
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we had. A very few people broke through, and that
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might have been true at the time they were dealing
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with a reality that was a lot more dense. And
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I can say I sit with people with a variety
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of experience levels who break through every day, and I
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think that's just going to get easier and easier. So again,
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caring and suffering and participating is it's softening us all up,
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and it's just going to get easier and easier. Knees
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and I can share about what's unique to my teachings
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and path and how we can solve some of those
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problems in depth in this interview, and.
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I think that's a beautiful thing.
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I think the show is all about different paths and
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showing a different path that might be open to someone
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else is a great option.
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How do we get the map?
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How we get the map? Caring just cuts strike to
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the chase. Okay, b blah blah blah, give me the map.
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Well to say, when I started my journey, there are
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so many people have their awakening and their experience and
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you sort of look at them. Where do you start?
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It could become a you become a Buddhist, or I
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could do reyki, or I could you know, do breath
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work or think ayahuasca? Like what how do you begin
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to navigate that path? And the first thing that I
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would say is you have to learn how to do
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what feels right. When you start, or very various points
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through your journey, you're learning something new, you don't know
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about it. Therefore you don't really have an informed idea
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if it's going to work or not. So how do
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you know you're going to invest your time and your
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care and your energy and your tension and your money
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into something. Well, because it feels right and it feels
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interesting to you. So that's why I start. Everybody, and
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there's so many things you can do. I think you
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should do whatever it is that feels right and that's
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already you walking the path, learning how to feel what
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feels like.
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It's in alignment. Right, you're blazier, you are.
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You're hating in a point that I really want to
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make sure that I emphasize because I feel that's exactly
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what I have been feeling. We've been doing these interviews
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for four plus years. We've met a lot of really
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great teachers and spiritual leaders and different modalities, and I
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want to do them all and inevitably find that I
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might do one or two and then just kind of
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drop off, like one or two of their videos or
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their courses and I drop off for some reason, it
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just doesn't capture or keep my attention. I don't know.
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I think my feeling might be broken because because I
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feel like they all feel really good, I want to
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try this. I want to dive into this and then
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want wah, just kind of Peter's off. So what's going on?
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What's the different? What am I missing here?
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You know, first, in respect to you versus your audience,
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I'm not sure what you're missing. I mean, if I
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was working with you, the first thing I would do,
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instead of telling you, I would say, how do you
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feel about that? How does it feel to be in that.
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Really experience annoying, really frustrating, to be honest with you.
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And by the way, when you talk about me, you
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talk about my audience because we are all in the
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same place. I know we're all the same place. We're
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all no okay, maybe not just me, Okay, well.
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There's a mix you and anyone who else is there.
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What I would actually invite you to do is to
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fill your frustration more. Instead of trying to solve that problem,
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I would invite you to feel it more. And this
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is a universal principle of how I approach teaching. We
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actually want to nurture our energy to grow. So whether
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we have pain, emotional pain, or problems, it's going to
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move because we feel it more, not because we solve
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a problem. And so again, just as it is, as
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I've echoed over again, the fact that you care, you
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are very, very fortunate. There's somewhere there's some Buddhist slogan
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about you know, if you meet your teacher in your lifetime,
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you are so lucky if you meet an enlightened one
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in your life. But I would say, even more directly,
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if in your lifetime you care enough to be frustrated,
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you are fortunate, and instead of trying to solve that problem,
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feel it. We can talk about what energy does and
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how and how it moves and how problems get solved.
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Basic principle is energy. When we feel, it moves, and
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when it moves it changes state. It changes from a contracted, tight,
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unprocessed state to a rich, flowing, living state. It turns
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into presence, it turns into accumulated wisdom, it turns into growth.
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And so even though it's uncomfortable to have frustration, I
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would say again, you're lucky that you care, and I
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would encourage you and anyone else to feel that. Now.
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That doesn't mean that I don't want you to break through.
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It's not at all a sign that you would be
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perpetually frustrated. It's just an understanding of how emotions work. Emotions,
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and more broadly, energy, they move. That's their purpose. Their
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purpose is to be felt and expressed. And if you
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join my world related to which means me to feel
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share with someone and have them feel with us. This
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is how we really support energy to move. And most
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of the solutions of our problems come not because we've
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fixed them, but because we've supported a process which takes
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us to a different felt sense, gives us a different
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sort of experience of energy and of life, and allows
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us to grow. I have three young children. You've said
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you had children, I'll give you a really good example.
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I have a one year old who doesn't like to
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have his diaper changed, and he gets really frustrated. And
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my view on that is he is learning how to
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want things, and that's wonderful. His frustration is not at
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all a problem. He used to be a blob, and
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now he can move about his space. He doesn't want
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me to pick him up. He wants to keep playing,
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and so my job is actually to help him feel
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his frustration and include it, because that's his will. His
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will is actually in development. And the more he's able
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to feel what he wants and not have that shut down,
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but that be included in relationship, the more his energy
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body actually grows. That's how we grow. We don't just
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grow physically as physical beings. We grow emotionally and we
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grow energetically. Our whole presence, our whole consciousness, expands by feeling.
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We have the opportunity. There's so much of what I do.
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We have the opportunity give each other sort of yes
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cues to this. She means, like, when you feel frustrated,
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I say yes. When my child is frustrated, I say yes.
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We have the opportunity to be like green lights on
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the on the energetic pathway of the universe, to say
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your energy is welcome. And when we do that with
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each other, it moves in a really unrestricted way which
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allows just everything in the universe to work better. And
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we can be more direct about that. I'll let you
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ask a question.
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Now, yes, So how do you keep from getting mired
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in that frustration? Because we all know those people that
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are just constantly negative and you try to, you know,
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joke around and be happy, chem up or bring some
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light into the room, it just doesn't happen. Like, how
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do you help them get out of that? Or how
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if it's you, how do you get out of that?
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Well, it's a process. So the first thing that I
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do when I work with people is I sit them
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down and I teach them this basic mechanism or language
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you could describe, which is when we sit together, we're
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going to unify our thinking, our motions, and our body sensations.
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These are all streams of energy. They're flowing right now,
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your thoughts are moving, your emotions are moving, and your
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body sensations are moving. We want them to work in
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a unified way. They're actually part of one system, you
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call it your nervous system or your body, and we
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don't want them to work individually. So we learn. I
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sit here, I feel my sensation, I feel my emotions,
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and I feel my thoughts. I use my body as
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a whole. And in general, broadly speaking, what we are
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supporting is for our body to do something that's very natural,
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which is to process, which is to express energy. And
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it doesn't recycle the same material over and over again.
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Like waves. Energy passes through us and then it actually
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takes us somewhere else. And so when I sit with
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somebody and they say, you know, I'm angry, what happens
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is if we really feel that anger together, and especially
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if it's met relationally, it sort of serves its purpose.
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picked up as my child, it says, or you know,
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I'm frustrated about my path or whatever it else. And
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once it does its job, which is to inform life,
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it's finished. And this actually takes us to the next thing,
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and the next thing and the next thing. And so
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by allowing one thing to happen, people go deeper in themselves.
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We start a conversation that's not repetitive. Imagine that you
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sent a letter and nobody, nobody received it, and you
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just kept sending the same letter. You don't know if
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your message is getting through, and so you might send
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the same letter over and over again, or you might
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stop expressing all together. You might stop writing this letter
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because nobody is receiving. What I'm proposing is like a
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living conversation. When I have any experience, I feel it,
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I acknowledge it, express it. It's received, it's complete. The
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universe through us gives me a response says you know,
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I feel for you or I'm here with you, and
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that gives us a sense that we are actually part
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of life. We're being received, and it's actually weaving our
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energy into the fabric of our reality. My energy, your energy.
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in another dimension, a more subtle dimension, where it's actually
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designed to live in one unified pool. It's actually designed.
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wounds or emotional wounds are so painful for us. We're
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actually feeling kind of breaks in this essential fabric. And
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so my experience is is when you empower people to feel,
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they don't just stay there. They go somewhere else. And
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often there's a lot of energy and it needs to move.
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But there is a process that's non repetitive. It's fresh,
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it's new, it's alive, and it grows. And so I
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don't have the experience of people when they really feel
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and in sort of this grounded, integrated way and when
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they're received that there's much repetition at all and they're
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not stuck well.
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But I would assume that that has to be someone
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who is ready to tackle these things right, because give
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you a perfect example was younger five years ago. I
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was very angry, very very angry, and I sometimes allowed
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myself to feel these anger moments and I wasn't holding
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them back. I was feeling the emotions, and yet I
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didn't find myself with any kind of breakthrough by feeling
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these emotions of anger, and I could only assume it's
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because I wasn't ready to yet to process them. So
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I'm assuming that someone has to be ready to process
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them before that expression of emotion actually does something.
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Well, I hope you don't mind me bringing the focus
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back to you.
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This is what I do.
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I listened to people. So then what happened? He said,
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five years ago? Then what happened?
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I had a mental breakdown and I had to leave work.
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I almost lost my family, almost lost my job, a
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law almost lost everything because I went to a spiral
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that caused me to pause and start all over again,
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break myself completely down, and build myself from scratch. And
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now I'm a different person than I was back then
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because not because of feeling the anger, but rather because
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of a wall that I hit because I was not
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willing to look myself in the mirror. It was one
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of the things where I was forced to look and
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so by being forced, it wasn't a voluntary thing. It
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was an involuntary thing.
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That I had to face up to.
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And what I do with people, I'll do a little
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bit with you to try to answer your question in
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a kind of a living way.
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Okay, I'm afraid. I'm afraid of that because we have
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some listeners that really don't like it when we make
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it all about me. But let's make it all about me.
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Go ahead, No, we.
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Don't have to make it all about you, but we'll
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just use because you're producing your material, and because I
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think it's so instructive. What I invite people to do
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is just when you speak, you feel what you say,
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and we just make space for our emotions and our
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nervous system to catch up with the story we've told.
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What happens is it are stories about life into the
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present moment. So this happened five years ago, and whatever
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whatever was happening with your emotional and mental experience, then
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well there's some story that goes with it too.
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It was actually something that was a long term thing.
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I was like this for a very very long time,
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and it just build up to a head finally.
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Yeah, And when I sit with people and we bring
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this into the present moment, what happens is actually we
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get access to more information. And people will often say
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something like, yeah, I actually, now that I talk about
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my anger, actually I feel quite sad, or I feel
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very tender, or I notice I'm not really sitting in
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my base, my energy is actually quite up, or any
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number of things. Actually, I don't really want to be
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telling you this, and so this is the beginning of
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a conversation. It's not about the anger specifically, It's about
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the entire field of presence, as you described in It's
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about this entire filing cabinet. It's about it's about this
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whole life that we've lived and how we've come to
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be here. And so by being present, by slowing down
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and relating, we get access to a bigger picture. Many times,
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it's not the first thing that we talk about that
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really is what needs to move and be seen. There's
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so many things that lie under that that we discover
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through this door.
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Whatever.
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The first thing is the door, and we sink into that.
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So basically, what I'm hearing you say is that maybe
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the emotions that I was I needed to feel, I
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wasn't feeling because it was being masked by anger. But
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had I had I looked into it and find and
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found the actual emotion that I had to express, that
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might have led up the clears.
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That sounds right, yeah, And I don't I don't tell
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people like general rules about this. I say, let's see,
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let's start with what you know. This is what you
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know about yourself, this is what I'm aware of in
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the present moment. If we do this practice where we
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sink into our body, soften into the flow of energy,
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I guarantee you we're gonna know more. This is how
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you gain a broader access to your to your to
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the to consciousness, to your life, y life energy.
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Go ahead, Sorry, sorry to drop up. What do you
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mean by falling into your body?
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Okay, great, So there's this sort of vertical dimension of
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your body, just like gravity, that your presence can be.
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you can be feeling your heart, you can be feeling
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your belly, you can be feeling your pelvis, you can
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be feeling your legs. You can be feeling your feet.
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Do you feeling the earth below you? There's this whole
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sort of vertical dimension of being aware or being present
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that sort of spans the sort of vertical access of
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your body. And what I found, I'll use myself as
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an example. What I didn't know is I didn't have
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any access to that. I was completely ignorant. When I
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was tory four years old. I had access to from
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my neck up. That's what I knew about myself. And
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so I would start by having thoughts and feelings and
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over and over again like this. One man in particular
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actually asked me one time, that's really he said, that's
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really great, Blaze what you're saying, But how do you feel?
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What I realized is I actually had a huge absence
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of information about what was happening in my body. And
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this is very common, and I can describe why it's
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very common. So when we live in a sort of
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narrow window of ourselves, there is an opportunity to expand
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that window, to expand how much of myself I have
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access to. And we can do this in a number
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of ways. We can go through them all. One of
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them is that I sink. Just like gravity, I become
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more aware of my body. My presence actually sinks. I
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can feel my breathing and as I exhale, I can
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feel my belly. I can feel that I'm sitting in
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my chair, I can feel my feet on the ground,
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and we are by design. Our potential is to process
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and to be connected to all of that. At the
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same time as it was for me when I was
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a kid, It's very unnatural to be in your head,
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so at first I didn't know I was in my head,
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and then the second question is like why am I
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not in my body? You know, I didn't even nobody
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in my culture told me there's this thing called feeling
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your body or being connected to your body. I've learned
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it because I had to. And then I became very curious,
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like why am I not in my body? And what
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I learned in my case was because I left, I
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learned to leave my body. I was not connected to
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my body, and that is sort of a foundational consequence
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of trauma. So trauma is any experience that is overwhelming
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and or that doesn't have a place in the world,
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meaning I can't For example, if my little one year old,
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if I suddenly was not willing to receive his anger,
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I make it difficult for him to stay with his anger.
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So what our body does, our consciousness does that of
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its tremendous beauty and brilliance, is it actually stops the
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flow of energy. Our body contracts. When our body contracts,
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we don't feel anymore. We become numb, and when we
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are numb, we dissociate from our body. This is like
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leaving information that's extremely valuable. So this is where I
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began my journey, is I became aware I woke up
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to the fact that I was actually not connected to myself,
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and suddenly I realized, no wonder, I'm having so many problems.
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I'm not even living in I'm not even occupying my vehicle.
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I don't know anything about myself. How could I possibly
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be successful? So I'll pause and allow this to be
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back and forth. But I say the first what I
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mean by feeling my body is I learn over time
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to reconnect to what's happening in my chest and my
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solar plexus and in my belly, and in my hips
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and on my legs and feet, and I begin to
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process to reconnect to my body and feel everything from
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my life that has been stored. And you know this,
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I've spent a lot of time doing this.
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And I'll pause, Well, how do you how do you
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maintain that? How do you not just get back in
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your head?
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Lots of booze?
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right like the people want to get out of their head.
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So somebody, some person will say to you, for example,
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you know, when I go for a run and I'm
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in my body, it gives me this peace of mind.
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And I don't think but that doesn't necessarily last. What
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has to change for there to be sort of a
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groundedness is the entire container of your nervous system and
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subtle bodies has to open in a way that allows
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you to rest on in your bay. And this is progressive.
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It's not like turning on a light switch. Progressively, this
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becomes more true and it will forever be more true.
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There's really no end to how grounded you can be
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and how open your body and consciousness will be. But again,
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if the mechanism is basically I leave because there's things
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that I cannot feel when I feel them, there will
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not be this sort of bungee cord that pulls me
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out of my body. So instead of thinking about it
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like how do I stay, maybe a better way to
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describe it is how do I feel what's in my
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body so that I don't have to leave anymore?
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I want to take a step back and dive into
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what actually what your experience was, because we've touched on it,
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we kind of teased it a little bit. When you're
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twenty four years old, what brought you to this place today?
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to a treatment center for drug addiction, and at the time,
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I thought I had wasted my whole life. And I
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got to a treatment center. I remember there are people
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there in their sixties, and I remember thinking to myself,
486
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actually have it backwards. I'm at the very beginning of
487
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:11.839
my life. I haven't wasted my life, and I have
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this golden opportunity, and I went from avoiding pain to
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really embracing it. I use this reference. I don't know
490
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if people like it, but it always amuses me. There
491
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was a Seinfeld episode where George said it was proposed him,
492
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what if he just did the opposite of every instinct
493
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you had? Everything you do is wrong, So what if
494
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:36.640
you do what if he did to the opposite? And
495
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you remember in the episode it worked out great for it.
496
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I literally looked at I had this. When I went
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to treatment. They basically said, you're afraid of pain and
498
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feeling and you avoid your life and that's why you're
499
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drug addict. And I said, yes, that's right. That's been
500
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:54.720
my strategy my whole life. Maximize pleasure, avoid pain. And
501
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what it means is you have to retreat from your body.
502
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.759
That's really what it means. And you can't be honest.
503
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You end up with less and less of yourself because
504
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.440
you keep having experiences that you don't want to feel,
505
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.079
so you have to leave. What if you just did
506
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:10.839
the opposite of that. What if you embraced the things
507
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.799
that you don't really want to deal with with life,
508
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so you get to actually have yourself? And I thought
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that makes a lot of sense, and I thought. I
510
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started to do it, and I started to feel really,
511
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really alive, and I realized, I mean, this is my problem.51200:27:28.880 --> 00:27:30.559
My problem isn't that I have a diction or that51300:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.000
I don't focus. My problem is that I'm not really here,51400:27:34.839 --> 00:27:37.160
and I apparently have all this content that I didn't51500:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.480
know about. When I was twelve years old, my father51600:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.759
died unexpectedly and it was a huge trauma in my life.51700:27:45.920 --> 00:27:47.839
That word didn't exist when I was thirteen, so I51800:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.880
wouldn't have thought about it in those terms. If you'd51900:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.680
asked me up until the time I was twenty four,52000:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.519
I would have said, I got over that. You know,52100:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.400
no big deal, right, And that was in the past,52200:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.119
and now I'm here. What I realized is when I52300:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.960
started to feel my body, my body told a totally52400:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.519
different story. It was not over it. It actually stored52500:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.319
grief because I was not able to feel it. And52600:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.440
I was shocked. I was shocked at the intensity of feeling.52700:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.079
And I was shocked to feel like a child like emotionally,52800:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.519
I felt like a child, and I thought, how is52900:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.359
this possible? How could I not know this about myself?53000:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.240
How did I go for twelve years in my life53100:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.759
like a zombie? And I thought, I'm never going to53200:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.480
live like that again. And you know that's part of53300:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.079
the story. We're really emphasizing sort of embodiment and healing here.53400:28:41.400 --> 00:28:44.440
Around the same time, I also realized, you know, there's53500:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.519
this thing called spirituality, and you know, if I'm not53600:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.240
going to get high all the time, God, life better53700:28:51.279 --> 00:28:54.640
feel pretty good. There'd better be a way to feel alive.53800:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.079
And you know, I've read I read this book by53900:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.359
man named Gabriel Cousins, and the things you were talking54000:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.720
about was like so out there.54100:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.160
I was like, that's it.54200:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.400
You know, that's going to be like my sober, drabic experience.54300:29:07.400 --> 00:29:09.200
I'm not going to sit around the rooms of AA54400:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.559
drinking coffee with the old timers. I'm going to have54500:29:13.640 --> 00:29:16.759
this radical experience of life. And I just felt so54600:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.759
motivated to do that, and then a few years later54700:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.559
I met some teachers who, as you talked about it,54800:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.960
gave me a really good map that matched with my experience.54900:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.240
And just as I described to you that, I deeply55000:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.200
admired these people and felt a lot of residence and55100:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.680
I did what they said, and everything that they said55200:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.759
happened to me. And it was this marriage between sort55300:29:36.759 --> 00:29:41.680
of external support, deep motivation and curiosity and a lot55400:29:41.680 --> 00:29:43.839
of a lot of time and attention.55500:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.519
I got to know what was the name of the book.55600:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.640
The book by Gabriel Cousins was called I don't remember.55700:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.079
I read it all the time. It's got the Caduceis55800:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.039
of Hermes on it. The name is something about it's55900:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.319
about nutrition. Gabriel Cousins was a yogi. Is a yogi56000:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.720
who was on a raw food. So half the book56100:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.200
was on rough food, which I tried for a long time,56200:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.519
and the other half was on sort of traditional Kundalini56300:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.920
yoga chakra systems. And he was talking about light and56400:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.000
I was talking about the chakra systems, and I was like,56500:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.559
this is so far out, Like this is what this56600:30:16.599 --> 00:30:19.440
guy feels A map and a picture of the body.56700:30:19.440 --> 00:30:23.519
It was like this guy feels like I couldn't you56800:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.839
couldn't find it was so far away from what I56900:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.920
felt like, but I was like, that's what I'm gonna do.57000:30:29.119 --> 00:30:29.920
I want to feel like that.57100:30:30.000 --> 00:30:30.200
Right.57200:30:31.680 --> 00:30:37.480
This sounds like the missing piece of therapy. An example,57300:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.920
after my existential crisis, my first step was to go57400:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.119
into therapy and we dove into some of these things57500:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.960
in my past that caused me to be angry and57600:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.480
all that kind of stuff, and it really helped tremendously.57700:30:51.400 --> 00:30:55.519
But you're right, I have felt more times than not57800:30:55.519 --> 00:31:00.160
not in my body. I have felt myself not you're57900:31:00.359 --> 00:31:05.640
seeing the moment, and as you're talking, I don't know58000:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.240
what part of it actually connected the dots for me,58100:31:09.319 --> 00:31:13.000
but my thought was, well, I experienced part of that emotion,58200:31:13.519 --> 00:31:15.480
but I haven't been able to close it all out yet,58300:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.000
which is why I'm still going through some of these things,58400:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.400
and this embodiment might be what I need to finally58500:31:21.519 --> 00:31:24.839
get rid of all that crap that happened to me58600:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.000
when I was six, seven, eight years old that I've58700:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.240
not that I've said to myself I'm over, but I'm58800:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.400
obviously not, because every time I look at a certain person,58900:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.599
I still get really angry at them for but you59000:31:35.640 --> 00:31:40.079
know this is interesting, Yeah, say at least I know.59100:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.160
I know we're not making about you, but I mean,59200:31:42.400 --> 00:31:43.640
this is what I did. I listen to people. I59300:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.839
feel very tender when I hear you speak about this,59400:31:46.599 --> 00:31:51.200
and this is touching, touching me and to you, to59500:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.559
your listeners and to the broader conversation. I would say59600:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.839
therapy is on a collision course with you could call59700:31:58.920 --> 00:32:03.200
mindfulness or meditation. So there's this whole arc starting at59800:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.519
whatever you want to start will start on Sigmund for59900:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.880
its coach, where people didn't even look at each other60000:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.000
and they would just kind of go off and think. Basically,60100:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.160
they would think their way into some story about you know,60200:32:14.200 --> 00:32:18.200
whatever it is. And that's one track that's been developing.60300:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.839
On the other hand, there's this collision with meditation. You60400:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.640
take vipasta, for example, which is essentially body scanning. You60500:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.519
were to take Sigmund for it to end Vipastma, and60600:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.960
you were to collide them into each other. Eventually you're60700:32:31.000 --> 00:32:32.920
going to end up at something that I'm talking about.60800:32:33.240 --> 00:32:36.920
And I think the real breakthroughs came broadly in culture60900:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.200
as an intersection of what's the presence in the East61000:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.079
and the therapeutic traditions in the West, and today that61100:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.640
intersection looks like somatic therapy and trauma healing and these61200:32:49.680 --> 00:32:55.160
interrelated attachment based practices that are really accessing a dimension61300:32:55.240 --> 00:32:59.359
of consciousness that did not that our forefathers did not61400:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.680
have access to, like the people that came before me,61500:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.839
did not have the opportunity to heal from this. So61600:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.559
you said, you know, maybe I wasn't ready, and I61700:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.839
would say that's a part of it. Our personal readiness61800:33:10.920 --> 00:33:12.680
is a part of it. But the other part is61900:33:13.240 --> 00:33:17.319
there is a broad collective awakening that's happening that's actually62000:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.160
changing what we have access to. And so it's not62100:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.519
just about a person being ready. That's very important, but62200:33:23.559 --> 00:33:28.720
it's also about the conditions culturally, culture being the actual62300:33:28.799 --> 00:33:32.000
field that we live in that's making healing much more62400:33:32.240 --> 00:33:33.599
available and direct, right.62500:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.160
But it's also we have to think about the fact62600:33:36.160 --> 00:33:40.160
that modern medicine, or what medicine we know of now,62700:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.039
or psychiatry psychology that we know now, is all about62800:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.400
the mind, right, the thinking part of it. We are62900:33:47.599 --> 00:33:54.640
a three bodied being right, mind, spirit, and body, and63000:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.279
so we have been tackling the mind and the spirit63100:33:57.319 --> 00:33:59.920
to all this time. Maybe the body is the missing piece.63200:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.119
We're not incorporating all three of our aspects, and I63300:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.519
think embodiment might be that missing piece that brings it63400:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.079
all together. It's important to think about all three, not63500:34:09.320 --> 00:34:10.239
just one or two.63600:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.800
I think that's part of one of the problems we63700:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.800
have in our particular culture, is that we tend to63800:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.880
treat the symptoms instead of looking for the root causes.63900:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.079
And it is it is all three, but you might64000:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.840
just treat the one and the other two are still64100:34:23.920 --> 00:34:25.719
kind of hanging there, right.64200:34:26.079 --> 00:34:29.239
So then that brings me to the question in your64300:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.199
thought process. And as I was researching you, you talk64400:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.800
a lot about the importance of not going through this alone.64500:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.599
Why is it so important to have someone that will64600:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.480
help you guide to guide you through this process?64700:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.679
Well, okay, So there's so many things that you said64800:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.880
that I hope that we get to, okay, And I'm64900:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.760
going to speak a little bit about my journey. When65000:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.400
I started, I was certainly not by myself. I was65100:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.760
in a I've always been surrounded by people who in65200:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.519
the middieu of recovery and healing the sick messages. You65300:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.239
cannot do this by yourself, so like that was my65400:35:04.360 --> 00:35:08.519
introduction and I feel extremely grateful for that. And at65500:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.960
the beginning, I thought what that meant for me was65600:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.280
that I'm going to use connection as a way to65700:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.599
help me. Of course, and I later found teachers who65800:35:19.760 --> 00:35:25.239
really emphasized connection into relatedness, specifically Thomas Hubell, and I thought, again,65900:35:26.039 --> 00:35:28.239
this is going to be a way to help me.66000:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.559
And to take a long story short, it helped me66100:35:32.719 --> 00:35:38.639
so much that the picture that emerged of what I am,66200:35:39.159 --> 00:35:42.719
what my emotional body is, the reason I have pain66300:35:43.760 --> 00:35:48.840
became a picture of the entirety of human history. Like66400:35:49.119 --> 00:35:55.119
when I feel sadness or anger, it's not isolated to me.66500:35:55.519 --> 00:35:59.360
That's how I experience it when I've been traumatized. When66600:35:59.400 --> 00:36:03.639
I have trauma, I feel separate from life. I hold pain.66700:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.719
It's my pain, it's my anger. But that's not really66800:36:06.760 --> 00:36:11.920
the truth. As I my as more and more energy66900:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.920
started to happen in me, move through me, get activated67000:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.519
in me, my body became increasingly connected to this fifth67100:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.239
dimensional reality, which is essentially a giant field like an67200:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.719
internet of energy. All the energy of human history is67300:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.280
in this field, and progressively I started to realize, like67400:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.559
everything that's ever happened to me is a product of67500:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.159
the health of this field. There's no such thing as67600:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.599
my wellbeing or your well being. There is no individual67700:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.440
that is well. That's that's there's no such thing as67800:36:46.480 --> 00:36:52.360
a healthy individual. But there are our our beings that67900:36:52.519 --> 00:36:59.000
develop in a field, and their development affects their health.68000:36:59.559 --> 00:37:03.480
Were all we are all a product of an interaction68100:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.840
between our you could call it personal development and this68200:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.880
relational field. That's how nature works. Like when I look68300:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.639
outside my window, there's no individual tree right there, there's68400:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.480
nature and every tree it's health and well being is68500:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.960
governed by the health of the nature, like it's an68600:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.559
ecosystem that it's completely interdependent. And this isn't an idea.68700:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.559
This is something that you actually sort of melt into68800:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.599
when you feel your personal body becomes very fluid, like68900:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.599
you feel like you're made of energy as this anger69000:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.960
and sadness and joy and shame and whatever else, it69100:37:43.079 --> 00:37:48.000
liquefies your body. When you feel fluid, what you experience69200:37:48.159 --> 00:37:52.280
is your reality around you moves from I'm only in69300:37:52.320 --> 00:37:56.800
a physical reality to there's this like other radio station,69400:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.280
there's other sort of level of perception where and a69500:38:00.320 --> 00:38:05.679
fluid reality, and you realize the boundary between you and69600:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.599
the rest of this fluid reality is much more like69700:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.920
an ocean or like the nature that I describe. And69800:38:13.000 --> 00:38:17.320
so I went from I use relationship as a way69900:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.239
to help me to feeling like I am a part70000:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.199
of And I'll give you my favorite way to imagine70100:38:24.239 --> 00:38:26.599
this is, you know, we live in the world that70200:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.280
we live in, and there's bombings and there's wars, and70300:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.000
there's terrible things that happen all around the planet that70400:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.159
we don't necessarily feel that we might not want to feel.70500:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.519
In the movie Avatar, like at the beginning of the movie,70600:38:38.519 --> 00:38:42.360
there's such deep sensitivity and connectedness to life that when70700:38:42.360 --> 00:38:45.519
the planet starts to get damaged, the beings on the70800:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.360
planet actually feel that physically is pain. That's what the70900:38:50.480 --> 00:38:54.159
Earth could feel. That's the blueprint of the Earth. The71000:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.360
blueprint of the Earth is there's actually one body. There's71100:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.400
one global body with great, great intricacy, not to suggest71200:39:01.440 --> 00:39:06.519
it's a uniform blob with great intricacy. The fact that71300:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.480
we don't live in that world is because we live71400:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.880
in a traumatized world. That's something that we are all71500:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.239
a product of. Every one of our lives, the lives71600:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.119
of our parents, our children, our neighbors, everyone is a71700:39:18.119 --> 00:39:22.280
product of that. So there's really no my best interest.71800:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.400
There's this planetary best interest, there's this You can even71900:39:26.440 --> 00:39:28.320
move it beyond that when you're ready. Is there's a72000:39:28.360 --> 00:39:32.480
cosmic best interest that we become a participant int And72100:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.119
that's something I feel. And so when I sit with people,72200:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.480
what I basically help them to do is I help72300:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.079
them to weave their personal experience back into that fabric72400:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.320
of life, both at a sort of earthly level and72500:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.880
beyond that at a cosmic level through the practice of relating.72600:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.480
So I anybody, anyone who relates, is a doorway for72700:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.039
your personal experience to be woven back into life. It72800:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.519
takes a pausitim wae because I'm saying so much, but72900:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.679
it actually takes a tremendous amount of energy to keep73000:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.639
us separate. We don't necessarily feel this. That energy is contraction,73100:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.199
so over and over again, we're releasing an effort of73200:40:13.320 --> 00:40:17.960
holding ourselves separate. That frees us up to really breathe73300:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.119
and feel and relate in a much much effortless way73400:40:21.440 --> 00:40:25.639
and allows higher amounts of flow. And that again, that flow,73500:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.280
this is something that you could say I personally have achieved,73600:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.159
but it's completely dependent upon or it's completely connected to73700:40:33.360 --> 00:40:37.000
everything else that is happening, And so that is a73800:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.639
very strange thing. At first, you want to wake up73900:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.360
for you, and as that happens, you realize the you74000:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.599
that you were trying to help is much less separate74100:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.880
than you'd imagine. And now you want to wake up74200:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.159
for like we, you could say, or us or this,74300:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.039
and that's something that is tangible, like it's how your74400:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.239
body feels, how my body feels.74500:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.800
It's kind of like I'm bad do the same thing74600:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.519
for being a father, but being a mother, Yes, I74700:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.639
wake up for her so many times I get it74800:41:09.719 --> 00:41:13.639
for her, and it just makes a lot of stuff better.74900:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.760
It's everything better. So now I just have to like75000:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.760
reverse that and go a different.75100:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.239
Direction because now she's older.75200:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.039
Now she's older, she doesn't need me as much.75300:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.159
Yeah, she's always didn't need you.75400:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.239
If I can use that example to touch into something75500:41:29.280 --> 00:41:34.360
that's essential to human life, what makes you do that? Love? Yes,75600:41:36.519 --> 00:41:40.480
that's our planetary guiding principle, that's our that's it, that's75700:41:40.519 --> 00:41:44.719
the glue that holds this entire thing together. It's the75800:41:45.079 --> 00:41:48.159
it's the it's the union, it's the force that unifies.75900:41:48.559 --> 00:41:52.119
And if parents don't have that for their children, physically,76000:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.920
our children suffer. But also our children feel that gap.76100:41:56.239 --> 00:42:00.239
Our children grow up in that gap. So you're your76200:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.880
service is well, that's that's what we all have in76300:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.280
common to our children and eventually to the planet itself.76400:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.039
So our relationship with our children is like a microcosm76500:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.559
of the universal energies relationship with us.76600:42:15.119 --> 00:42:15.880
M hm sort of.76700:42:16.599 --> 00:42:18.400
Yeah, No, that's like we're the children.76800:42:18.480 --> 00:42:18.960
I like that.76900:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.639
It's it's the same, Absolutely, it's the same. It's the77000:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.519
same process. And that's why it's so valuable in my opinion,77100:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.440
to work through the family model, because the family model77200:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.880
is a developmental model. It says essentially that the child77300:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.639
is at the center and everything is in service of77400:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.000
their development. And I think in a healthy world that77500:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.480
isn't that principle is extended universally to everyone. So, yes,77600:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.920
we have that for a child, but that's really the77700:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.000
imperative for every single human being. If that guiding force77800:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.760
that you feel that gets you up every day was77900:42:56.760 --> 00:43:01.320
extended to everything on the earth, that's abundance, that is it.78000:43:01.400 --> 00:43:03.760
That is a unified world and we all have the78100:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.679
raw materials for that. Like, that's our that is our blueprint.78200:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.719
It's about it's about supporting that blueprint to actually manifest78300:43:11.239 --> 00:43:14.840
as a world that cares for itself and that allows78400:43:15.199 --> 00:43:19.400
things like your anger to really be woven back into life.78500:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.320
It seems like it should be so easy, you know,78600:43:23.480 --> 00:43:27.800
just seems it seems like it. Oh yet I would say,78700:43:27.880 --> 00:43:28.599
apparently it's not.78800:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.679
I would say that it is easy. But we've been78900:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.840
programmed out of the ease of.79000:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.239
It, maybe or programs to have specific ideas of what79100:43:36.320 --> 00:43:37.920
exactly love is and what it should look like.79200:43:38.280 --> 00:43:39.119
Yeah, programming.79300:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.360
So in this day and age where people are talking79400:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.480
about the importance of being able to find your own79500:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.159
path by yourself, right, everyone talks about the way out79600:43:50.559 --> 00:43:56.599
is in, we are talking about something that is adjacent79700:43:56.679 --> 00:43:58.920
to that. Correct me if I'm wrong. But we're not79800:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.800
talking about eliminating a solitary path. We're talking about getting79900:44:03.800 --> 00:44:08.519
support and helping you grow in your solitary path with80000:44:08.599 --> 00:44:09.519
the help of others.80100:44:09.920 --> 00:44:10.119
Right.80200:44:11.159 --> 00:44:14.159
I love greatness, I love motivation. I love people who80300:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.679
do great things and apply themselves. And there are people80400:44:17.800 --> 00:44:22.239
who obstensibly it looks like they do it by themselves.80500:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.440
You know, great examples. Ramana Maharishi, you know, has an experience,80600:44:26.519 --> 00:44:30.280
goes off into a cave, lives there in solitude. Everybody goes, wow,80700:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.800
that's so amazing. First off, if you were to ask him,80800:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.159
I doubt he would say he did it by himself80900:44:37.239 --> 00:44:39.719
in the way that we think of doing them by themselves.81000:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.960
And second, what happened to him was so intense and81100:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.719
extreme that he sat a cave for forty years. If81200:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.400
that happens to you, like you don't need to listen81300:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.639
to me. The rest of us are in the world81400:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.000
and we are running into things, and we have some81500:44:57.199 --> 00:44:59.800
amount of awakening, and we have some amount of limitation,81600:45:00.960 --> 00:45:02.440
and we're not going to go into a cave. We're81700:45:02.440 --> 00:45:04.199
going to raise our children, we're gonna start a business,81800:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.440
we're gonna do whatever. And I think the path is81900:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.760
actually different if you're not insultics. This is one of82000:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.679
the problems, in my opinion, most many of the Eastern82100:45:13.760 --> 00:45:18.400
paths are brought over here without the cultural context and82200:45:18.519 --> 00:45:23.000
without understanding that they are monastic, often monastic in context,82300:45:23.360 --> 00:45:25.800
and so we have a kind of a weird interface82400:45:25.880 --> 00:45:32.559
between Western individualism and these often meditative paths practices I82500:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.400
think is a real misrepresentation of them. So there are82600:45:35.599 --> 00:45:39.400
solitary meditation paths. But if you look at Buddhism, buddhim82700:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.800
is basically a giant organism. It's a giant consciousness machine82800:45:44.199 --> 00:45:48.400
that produces greatness. So Buddhism is a great example of that.82900:45:48.440 --> 00:45:51.119
You know what else is? The great example is every83000:45:51.480 --> 00:45:55.679
the Olympics. Were just on every Olympic program highly motivated people.83100:45:56.119 --> 00:45:58.519
You don't just say, go out and figure out how83200:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.880
to ski on your own because you're so great and motivated.83300:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.480
You pair them with the greatest coaches. What happens if83400:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.639
you take excellence and you pair it with highly motivated people,83500:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.320
it gets multiplied. It's a sort of a force multiplier.83600:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.880
I very motivated at a very big breakthrough that I83700:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.559
was absolutely sure was going to work its way through83800:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.880
no matter what I found over and over again, when83900:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.920
I was with people who cared about me, everything got better, right, Like,84000:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.159
why would you bet against that? Why would you choose84100:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.559
isolation when help feeds you. It's not about being dependent84200:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.239
or being weak or something like that. It's about recognizing84300:46:40.039 --> 00:46:45.239
that actually working together is a force multiplayer. I don't84400:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.559
have no better word for that. You know this is84500:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.800
true in every human domain. There's no human domain that's84600:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.559
not like that. And I expect that only to continue.84700:46:53.599 --> 00:46:56.440
Another metaphor for that is, I don't know if this84800:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.679
is my romantic vision, but science in like the seventeen84900:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.719
hundred with some kooky guy who got a grant from85000:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.079
AD can he be off in some you know, some85100:47:07.199 --> 00:47:12.800
place doing experiments by himself? This individual greatness in science85200:47:13.280 --> 00:47:17.800
in the modern world that is obsolete. Their universities that85300:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.480
are in league with each other, that work together on85400:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.400
really sophisticated problems. And the reason is the further you85500:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.159
go in science, the harder is for one person to85600:47:28.159 --> 00:47:32.400
make a significant difference because the field is so advanced.85700:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.960
That's what's going to happen to our world and our consciousness.85800:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.320
For me, the breakthroughs that individuals make are nothing compared85900:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.280
to what's possible when we work together and create a86000:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.559
sort of fields of wisdom and interrelatedness. Ultimately, what we're86100:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.639
going towards is not one body of light like one86200:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.320
person who is illuminated, but a world that is full86300:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.440
a network internet, a living internet at a presence that's86400:47:58.440 --> 00:48:02.880
potential is so far beyond an individual's potential is to86500:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.320
not have me even consider that as being a significant86600:48:07.000 --> 00:48:11.679
The collective is so much more powerful and fundamentally mutually86700:48:11.719 --> 00:48:14.480
supportive than what an individual could do. I just can't,86800:48:14.840 --> 00:48:19.199
given my life experiences, I can't orient that way anymore.86900:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.920
I just can't orient towards what an individual can do.87000:48:24.400 --> 00:48:29.119
So you have actually created a program that helps people87100:48:29.719 --> 00:48:33.039
to handle this kind of stuff. Talk to us about87200:48:33.079 --> 00:48:34.559
what it is. How do you help folks?87300:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.920
Yeah, So the first thing that I do is I87400:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.960
teach people a language. I don't. I'm not a central87500:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.039
point to I guess I am. I'm a teacher. I'm87600:48:44.079 --> 00:48:47.239
here talking to you. But I create fields. I create87700:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.719
groups of people that learn together. So the first thing87800:48:49.760 --> 00:48:51.360
that I do is I create a language that we87900:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.199
all can speak. And that language is the language of88000:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.320
the fifth dimension, and the way that we access it88100:48:57.400 --> 00:49:02.480
is by unifying our thinking, feeling, our sensations. What you88200:49:02.559 --> 00:49:05.239
find is that no matter where people are from, no88300:49:05.280 --> 00:49:09.000
matter what their experience is, everyone speaks that language of connection.88400:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.000
Everyone can feel with you, even if they haven't had88500:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.840
your experience. You know, if you start talking about being88600:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.559
a mother, or you start talking about when you were five.88700:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.800
If you teach people how to be present and receptive,88800:49:21.920 --> 00:49:26.400
that touches everybody. It affects everybody. That human language, the88900:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.639
language of caring and feeling and pain and joy and love,89000:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.800
is actually a universal language that on this planet we89100:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.039
speak very very infrequently with each other. So when I89200:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.239
ground people in that, what you do is you create89300:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.960
a way and everything that's in me is welcome here,89400:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.079
and you start to have you start to create a field,89500:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.559
and you start to create safety, and you start to89600:49:48.599 --> 00:49:51.199
create the ability for people to be really met and seen.89700:49:51.679 --> 00:49:57.159
That's the basic building block with that language. I teach89800:49:57.519 --> 00:50:03.719
people how to how to explore three separate processes. And89900:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.400
the first is the process of development, or this movement90000:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.400
through you call it the chakra system and the nervous90100:50:08.400 --> 00:50:12.280
system that happens through our childhood and into our adulthood.90200:50:12.320 --> 00:50:16.159
Most specifically, I teach the process of incarnation, which is90300:50:16.199 --> 00:50:21.199
the movement of light ultimately from source light through the90400:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.239
higher light based dimensions into this world, through the subtle90500:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.400
dimensions of this world, and into your body. It's incarnation.90600:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.880
And the third one is the creation of the universe itself.90700:50:30.920 --> 00:50:34.679
The universe and our relationship to it has its own90800:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.119
process in life cycle, and this is the way of90900:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.199
liberation or the realization of the source of nature of reality.91000:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.280
And so through this basic building block, I guide people. Now,91100:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.559
I'll give you, I'll tell you what's really really important91200:50:48.599 --> 00:50:50.960
to me. And I started teaching about six years ago,91300:50:51.320 --> 00:50:52.679
and I did a lot of I didn't know how91400:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.000
to teach. Just because I have an awakening experience is91500:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.559
not make your teacher. And I had to do a91600:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.599
lot of listening, and I sort of five years into it,91700:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.159
I progressively and it will be improving for the rest91800:51:05.159 --> 00:51:06.679
of my life. I sort of figured out what my91900:51:06.880 --> 00:51:12.519
role is, and my role is to take people room92000:51:12.559 --> 00:51:17.239
by room through every part of this house that we share.92100:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.199
My job is to guide people through all of the92200:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.920
things that can be experienced here. So what does that mean?92300:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.400
So let's take your example. You had some feelings and92400:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.039
you had to work backwards into why they were happening92500:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.639
to you. Often looks like starting with I have anger now, oh,92600:51:35.679 --> 00:51:39.800
and then realizing something earlier in my life happened. I92700:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.440
had the same journey. So when I had an awakening,92800:51:42.519 --> 00:51:47.440
it was a very big insight that mainly affected the92900:51:47.559 --> 00:51:50.639
higher centers of my body and my head and gave93000:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.480
me access to certain parts of consciousness. And then over93100:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.960
ten I don't know, we'll call ten years. Just to93200:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.800
be square, I had to work my way back down93300:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.000
through my body. This is a very common awakening path93400:52:04.079 --> 00:52:08.039
that's taught. You start by realizing something fundamental like that93500:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.119
you are awareness, and then you redirect your attention back93600:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.000
down your body, come back down into your body, and93700:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.840
this is how we deal with things. We generally start93800:52:18.920 --> 00:52:22.440
with the super the surface problems, and then we work93900:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.280
backwards to their source. I had to head to do94000:52:25.360 --> 00:52:28.920
this over and over and over again, and it works.94100:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.320
You can do it if you go on a meditation retreat.94200:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.360
What they're going to basically say is just sit there94300:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.239
and wait for things to come up. Don't go after them,94400:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.920
don't get attached to them, just wait for them to94500:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.880
come up, and in a sequence, the whole thing will94600:52:42.920 --> 00:52:46.400
just unwind itself. And I don't think that's the best94700:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.079
way to do it in my experience. What I think94800:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.119
is that our development is actually supposed to start at94900:52:52.119 --> 00:52:56.360
the bottom and work its way to the top. Similarly,95000:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.679
the process of awakening often takes you from the dimension95100:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.400
you're in back more subtly to the more subtle dimensions.95200:53:04.400 --> 00:53:08.079
You just sort of stumble your way back towards the95300:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.679
most subtle realities. I don't think it's supposed to work95400:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.800
like that either. I think we actually start in the95500:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.639
subtlety and we move into form. I think we actually95600:53:17.719 --> 00:53:21.800
start at the most basic human quality of presence and being,95700:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.480
and we actually grow into will and love and the95800:53:25.559 --> 00:53:27.719
higher centers. And so I like to start people at95900:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.079
the beginning. And so instead of what happened to me,96000:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.280
where I have people stumble their way through that and backtrack,96100:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.840
I like to walk people through what the way I96200:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.360
see it's actually supposed to work, what our design is,96300:53:41.320 --> 00:53:44.039
and so I can elaborate on that. But this is96400:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.360
my job. My job is to walk you through the96500:53:47.400 --> 00:53:53.119
process of your life, to represence your entire life, represence96600:53:53.320 --> 00:53:57.599
your soul, your soul history, and learn to navigate actively96700:53:57.679 --> 00:54:01.920
from that sort of body of light and to recognize96800:54:01.920 --> 00:54:06.679
the nature reality. So I guide people towards things rather96900:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.760
than say, you know, sit here and we'll see what.97000:54:09.719 --> 00:54:10.400
Happens to you.97100:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.880
That's profound blaze and sounds like a lot of work.97200:54:17.159 --> 00:54:17.559
Good work.97300:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.800
Yeah, yeah, Well, if someone wanted to work with you,97400:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.320
what's the best way for someone to reach out to you?97500:54:24.360 --> 00:54:26.320
Clink click the link in the show note.97600:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.800
Oh it's almost like you read my mind.97700:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.079
It's also like I've prepared for this.97800:54:32.840 --> 00:54:34.960
Yeah, we will, well, definitely will add a link to97900:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.119
your website on our show notes. So if you are98000:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.400
interested in connecting with Blaze, all you need to do98100:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.280
is go to Skeptic Medeposition dot com, go to the98200:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.920
episode page and you'll find the link laid in the98300:54:44.079 --> 00:54:45.599
directly into the show notes, so it's easy for you98400:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.360
to find Blaze. I have a feeling this is not98500:54:48.400 --> 00:54:49.320
our last conversation.98600:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.800
Oh I hope that's true. That's a great venue and98700:54:52.840 --> 00:54:53.800
I really enjoy being here.98800:54:53.880 --> 00:54:57.079
Yeah it was. It was a blast having you so interesting. Yeah. Absolutely.98900:54:57.559 --> 00:55:03.519
And if you ever find yourself needing to connect yourself99000:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.280
with another human being, I can't imagine anyone better than Blaze.99100:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.719
So hey, thanks so much for bringing your wisdom to99200:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.159
the show. Well that does it for this episode of99300:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.480
the Skeptic Menephysicians. Thank you for taking the time to listen.99400:55:15.639 --> 00:55:17.639
We know that you have many choices and it is99500:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.639
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