Christ Consciousness: Train Your Mind for Awakening

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Hey there, I'm Will.

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And I'm Karen.

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And welcome to the skeptic manifestations where we question the mystical, test the intuitive

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and try to figure out whether that cosmic download was divine guidance or just low blood

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sugar.

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Today, we're diving into something that sounds big, maybe even lofty.

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We're talking channeling, Christ consciousness, coherent auras, but we're approaching it

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the way we always do.

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Not as blind believers, not as armchair skeptics, but as curious humans who want to know,

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can you actually train perception?

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Can you strengthen your energy the way you strengthen a muscle?

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And can you stay spiritually open without becoming energetically overwhelmed in a world?

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It's getting louder and louder by the minute.

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My name is Will and I'm Karen.

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And unlike Mulder and Scully, we've embarked on a journey of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a covenant with you.

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Wait, you joined a covenant?

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Yep, all in the interest of fighting something.

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Anything.

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That will prove that there's something beyond this physical, three-dimensional world we

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all live in.

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This is the skeptic metaphysicians.

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Hey there, before we get to the interview, we have a small ask.

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We depreciate it so much, not only will it help get the word out about us, but it also

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might just change someone's life for the better.

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Thanks for your help on this.

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Without further ado, let's get now into the interview.

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Today's guest is someone who's not interested in spiritual performance.

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She's interested in spiritual maturity.

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Gail Thomas has spent years working in expanded states of consciousness, but her work has

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evolved far beyond live channeling sessions in cosmic theatrics these days.

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She's focused on something much more demanding, helping people.

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And helping people develop the capacity to hold higher awareness without losing their

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footing in everyday life.

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That she's trained groups internationally, become faculty at a cosmic school in the South

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of France, and is now building structured trainings around energetic sovereignty, ESP

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development, and guiding adults to help the next generation stay connected without being

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swallowed by the noise of the modern world.

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In other words, this isn't about escaping reality.

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It's about strengthening your relationship to it.

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And that's why this conversation matters.

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Gail, thank you so much for being on the show today.

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Thank you.

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Wow.

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What an introduction.

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I'm very pleased to be here and to do our part two.

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Yes.

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You have to be back on the show.

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Yes, excited to have you back on the show.

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But first I have to ask you, when people say, wow, what an introduction.

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They could go either way.

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They could go like, wow, what an introduction.

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What is your smiling?

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Yeah, but she's very polite.

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It was like, wow.

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Really a good way.

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No, I meant in a good way.

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I was right.

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Thank you.

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I don't know how else we could introduce you, but in a good way.

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That's right.

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You are one of our absolute favorite guests.

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So thank you so much for coming on a green to be on the show again.

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There's been a lot of changes in your life in the last few years since we last spoke to

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you.

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It's still a thing with you and for those that don't know about tarp, we encourage you to

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go back into our archives and find her last interview because it's fascinating.

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But in a nutshell, you are a channel of interdimensional beings called tarp and you have learned

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a lot through these beings.

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But now you are taking it from that to a more practical way of moving forward.

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So tell us what have been going on with you.

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Well, thanks.

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It seems like you really get it actually.

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So I talk very much as being a foundation or a cornerstone of the work I do and the way

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I orientate my life and the things that I work with.

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But really, what it has been about is learning to expand that bandwidth of consciousness, let

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it flow through me enough for me to realise that I don't actually need to just be tarp all

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the time in a public persona, just be myself and teach people how to connect with their

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own guides because everyone can connect to a wider bandwidth or feel more connected to something

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higher or bigger than what they feel they are in normal day to day life.

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And it's just a case of relaxing into it and letting that coherence find itself in you

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rather than searching outside and seeking answers outside all the time.

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So there was always something that I felt about channeling type to big audiences that made

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me feel uncomfortable because I didn't want it to seem or come across that I was the one

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that had all the answers that didn't feel like it.

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It felt like I was just being naturally myself and in fact mirroring a field of consciousness

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that exists before we all do in a sense as physical, flesh and blood bodies, a kind of field

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of consciousness that exists before manifestation.

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So you can call it channeling as an easy way of understanding it but really it feels like

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something that is me before I manifest and I'm just mirroring it or tapping into it directly

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and giving people guidance that they are allowing themselves to hear that is coming from a place

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that is a pure and perfect place before they've got themselves into all these mental problems

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or struggles that they're feeling on that day or that week or that part of their life.

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So I've kind of just let that guidance in me just kind of sit there in the background.

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I still offer that as personal sessions for people when they do want that verbal guidance

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or they want their hands on healing and activation.

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But it's been very satisfying for me and fulfilling for me to put this kind of down into courses

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and training so people can feel more empowered.

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I feel it's more of a modern day approach to just moving into life and where it calls us

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to be and takes us right now with our consciousness because I feel that at the end of the day we

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are trying to develop our consciousness.

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We are trying to develop the non-physical part ourselves because I guess this is the thing

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that is most precious right now and in an era that is going to be bombarded and flooded

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with AI.

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We have to keep the things that are unique and precious and divine or you could say God given,

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wholesome and connected within us because that will never get taken away by AI.

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Our fiends of connection which is a non-physical feeling.

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It's not just a hug and our feelings of bliss, that's non-physical.

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They are distinctly human traits and that's really what we need to stay sovereign.

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So do you think, if you're teaching people how to tap in, do you think that everyone is

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connected in that gut feeling that you get or that weird "oh I shouldn't go into that

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room" or whatever is that?

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Actually channeling but people aren't really listening to it as much as they should.

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Yeah, I think that's a version of feeling connected and listening to the wider, more wholesome

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version of yourself that goes beyond your thinking, mind, your chattering mind.

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That is exactly you or something bigger than you speaking to you and that is your really

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or anchor that is the most truthful and the most authentic for your life rather than

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the mind which gets pulled in different directions with the daily discussions of the vicissitudes

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of things happening around you.

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And it's so interesting because we're sort of taught to not listen to your gut feeling,

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especially as women.

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I see the things on social media say, "Trust your gut when you have the feeling don't

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go into that elevator, don't worry about being polite, but we're taught to be polite."

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So I think listen to our outer ego and the social lessons more than what that connection

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is telling us don't go into that elevator.

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Yeah, very interesting.

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You've raised a couple of points there.

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Yes, that kind of is kind of encouraged out of us sometimes and I think it's very interesting,

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especially as women we get a lot of these hunches and gut feelings and you know I'm of the

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age of parimenopause and it's very interesting.

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I see a lot of stuff on social media about this is the time when we're coming into more

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of that intuition and wisdom and we have a lot to offer there and yet it is something

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that is frowned upon or not spoken about or the symptoms that we go through.

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And I feel that as some kind of in way of negating that wisdom that tends to come through with

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women our age and I'll share another thing that I realised recently and I have to credit

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my friend Alexa in Bali for this because I've been giving talks recently on how to keep

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that bliss feeling or the feeling of connection in our young people because that's a group especially

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that is kind of bound to their screens and losing that sense of connection with a fuller

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sense of self and losing the ability to feel bliss just the normal everyday regular feeling

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of bliss.

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And you know you talking about women are taught to kind of ignore that gut feeling.

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This was pointed out to me quite often when we have kids if you're a parent you might

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relate to this and I've done it too when someone speaks to a child you say look that person

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in the eye but the child may naturally not want to sometimes kids look down when they see

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a new person or a stranger and they look down.

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Now we're kind of negating their instinct there as well so it's looking at you know I'm

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sure this there's an example with many different groups of people but my friend pointed out to

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me she said you know gale eyes are like portal and you should trust children when they meet

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strangers they don't necessarily want to lock their energy in with someone else if they

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feel vulnerable then naturally look down guess some adults us as adults we do that too and

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let them don't force them don't force them to look people in the eyes and it's interesting

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because I think there's on the one hand with young people you want to encourage them to

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look people in the eye to make connection so they don't feel isolated and alone but then

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to respect that instinct if they are meeting people for the first time or they just don't

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feel that they're trusting that person to be able to look down and not lock in with

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that energy so there are many access points to our gut feelings and our intuitions that

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are reflected somatically in our body and there are many instances where we try to negate

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it and I think sometimes it's just a case of becoming aware of it.

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Well you have now activated thousands of devices across the world by using your friend's

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name Alexa out there so thank you for that now we have thousands of devices playing

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the skeptic manifestations on it yes but I bring it up only because Alexa in these devices

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have been tools that we have been bringing into the human consciousness and it's really

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kind of taking over our processes in every way and disconnecting us in a lot of ways we

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just had we were talking yesterday about a study that came out that our attention spans

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are getting shorter and shorter because the videos are being served are shorter and shorter

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to cater to that kind of thing and AI is doing the same thing it's helping us to not do

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things that use our minds as much so it's disconnecting us in a lot of ways from humanity.

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Now what you are teaching is almost a complete opposite it is not relying on tools like

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channeling and things like that but rather discover the Christ consciousness within yourself

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and others around you in order to connect am I do I have that right?

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Yeah and it does sound weird because it sounds like things are getting more complicated

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just to get more simple and I guess there's a metaphor not really a metaphor but the example

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I like to use is with Picasso he had to learn how to paint like a master before I could let

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it go and just be free and uninhibited and paint like a child at the end very innocently

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and purely from that really just let it flow through him but he had to go through some training

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about what it is and what it isn't first and in a sense it's been my own journey with

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my connecting with tarp and connecting with Christ consciousness and in a sense that's

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also one I'm trying to get across to people that Christ consciousness is a feeling of coherence

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and alignment and it's a mirroring of an energy and a consciousness that is there before

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you came into the body it's not necessarily reaching outside of yourself to grasp onto

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an entity in fact it's quite a tricky time to know what is what in this day and age but

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there is a way to tap back into that kind of universal truth or that universal feeling and that

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feeling which I'm referring to as Christ consciousness is a sense of being fully embodied

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and being able to bring that sense of bliss and expansion down into the human self in a

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bodily level while on earth so it's that sense of coming down onto earth and bringing that

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energy into your body and anchoring it into your physical life and you don't have to say

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the word channeling and it doesn't have to be an ET or it doesn't have to be you know XYZ

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and it is a feeling yeah it's a feeling of coherence it's a feeling of unconditional love and

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we're talking about AI and how you know possible ideas and fears around it I think it's just

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a really important time to use all the benefits of AI so we're freed up potentially with

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more time on our hands to cultivate the things that really are uniquely us for being human

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that that consciousness that Christ consciousness that feeling of coherence feeling more what

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energy feels like beyond the body because I think we are I mean I'm not talking about the

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near future I'm talking about across this age we're moving in a direction of interiorizing

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our physical bodies and it exteriorizing the higher consciousness or the pure a Christ

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consciousness into out so there's kind of a reverse I feel that we're in an age of that

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where it's going to reverse and we're going to bring out this consciousness but only if

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we are not cutting ourselves off only if we are trying to learn these skills like learning

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how to feel love and connection with each other learning how to feel and embrace bliss

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not negate it you know I've seen a few people over the years that have asked if I can help

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them feel connected or that sense of oneness and first time I heard it I felt surprised there

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are people out there that don't feel connection and they don't feel they don't they've

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never felt that sense of oneness or never felt a feeling of bliss I would say that's the

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majority of the people here yeah I would agree I think that there is a disconnection and

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I think maybe it's because we are so caught up in the day to day that we don't take the

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time to actually sit and notice the connection you know we're too distracted but you know

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it was interesting listening to you describe the feeling of Christ consciousness I don't

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know if you heard if it made it to the news over where you are but we recently had a group

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of monks that yeah been following them okay so we actually went out and saw them and gave

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them flowers and it was amazing amazing but I think that was the in Buddhism or that was

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their way of kind of saying the same thing you know they're saying we're not saying bring

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peace to everyone bring peace to yourself because once you build that inner peace and that

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sense of balance and that sense of love you'll radiate that and that will you know create

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those connections is just a different way of doing the same thing and I love that so much

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yeah peace start from within absolutely but I just like that there's so many different languages

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of it so it can it can reach in effect so many different people with that same feeling

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and that same message is so necessary yeah yeah I've loved following them and it's a different

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path different pathway in and yeah but I do see in a lot of young people it's quite concerning

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actually and I don't know if this is because they've grown up on social media should I point

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the finger at Gen Z I mean it's quite general but I do see a lot of Gen Z that have kind of

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sociopathic tendencies or narcissistic tendencies and I wonder where they're going to get their

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real sets of bliss you know there are a lot of addictions that come from doom scrolling and

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the way they they value human connection and the ways they interact it doesn't seem very

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healthy and wholesome now they may grow through that but it's troubling to see so and with

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social media they're taught that what's important aren't the actual human connections but the

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likes you know and the likes are their main source of validation you got a hundred like

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on the post yeah yeah I can't help but think that everyone everything is perfect Gen Z has to go

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through these things we are meant to go through it so that we can learn when to go get on the other

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side of it just like we talked before we started recording about my broken ankle in the first my second

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day of vacation because the second care and it was the second half of the day does count but I

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needed that because I was running a thousand miles a minute and the universe said well if you're not

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gonna listen to me I'm gonna make it so that you have to so I can imagine Gen Z getting to a point

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where they unfortunately have to experience a complete breakdown very similar to how the show

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was created before they suddenly go oh crap I got to let go of all this ego stuff and look inside

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and find out who I am and how I'm connected and that's why I'm grateful for folks like you who are

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here sorry to pick up the pieces because that's exactly what's gonna happen right you're gonna turn to

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you for people who already have to ask you how can I be connected so Gale how can we be connected

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to that Christ consciousness with it and stay connected and stay yes I think it's well it depends

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where you are where you need to get to from there and I think for and by the way I'm not the only one

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picking up pieces oh no no thank you so many of us yeah picking up the pieces and more more you know

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yeah that's what's so encouraging because I don't feel alone and you don't feel alone and

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sometimes I feel that we're on such a big momentum journey that it's in it's really infectious

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so where do we start with the bliss experience well we can talk about us as adults and we can

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talk about our young but I think with our young we can start off by learning to feel the body first of

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all bring the awareness into the whole of the body I mean adults too but a lot of our young

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are in their head because they're on social media and they're just really just trying to get

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through the day they've got their short and attention spans they're for a single answer for our young

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people there is one system that has many branches to it that is kind of a complete offering for young

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people and that is yoga you have the Pratyahara exercises which are exercises which train people

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to withdraw their senses and their exercises such as you know covering the eyes or covering the

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ears and humming or you know bringing your awareness to the breath they bring the awareness in

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and that teaches young people and adults if you happen to have a concentration problem

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how to stay in the moment how to hold in emotion how to stay with it until it washes through you

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it lengthens their time that they can go without seeking that instant gratification so this delayed

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response because that's a generation that is used to just responding stimulus response stimulus

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response all the time and allowing that to happen not just Pratyahara practices but breath practices

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mindfulness practices even movement practices any kind of eastern or martial arts technique or yoga

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or movement that brings the awareness in the whole of the body that's a start coming out the head

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and into the whole wholeness of your being that's one thing and then as a complete system for young

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people going through those various practices helps you find yourself within your body helps you feel

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that connection to something greater that connection to something greater or to more of yourself only

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happens when you're in the present moment by the way it can't happen in any other moment and when

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you're in the present moment it can become very elongated and very abundant and spacious

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that's where you find all your intuition all your bliss all your connection all your

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higher selfness it's only in the present moment so there are a hundred and

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thousand people out there that are teaching presence whether it be whim-hoff through the breath or

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whether it be you know she gone techniques or anything but these practices that bring you into

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the present moment when you open that door of the present moment there you'll find bliss there you'll

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find connection there you'll find intuition I can give you much more specific things but in terms of

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simplicity yeah that's it really oh I love it in Eckhart totally talks about it all the time the power

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of now all that kind of thing and we talked about on the show the importance of putting the damn phone

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down and actually being in the moment with your family so now I just want to either find a programmer

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create a program that's for kids for teenagers you know like a retreat where they learn all of these

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things because that's the darlons that are getting sucked in like like our daughter's age she just

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started high school and that's when it all just won't yeah but the key is that you have to actually

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make time for it yeah but what I'm saying is like we haven't we know we hear and we get fed

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information for adults you know there's this retreat there's this going on there's a summit there

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you know but I haven't seen anything geared towards kids right at that age where I think it would be

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so effective is that something that you have at the do you have something for for young kids at the

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oh see that's what we are that's perfect well you know what Karen it's not exactly for kids it's

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for teaching adults how to facilitate these sessions with kids so okay so a long time ago I used to

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work with kids with yoga as a yoga therapist now what I'm offering is training for adults to work

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with kids to facilitate bliss and connection in them and in that training there is a range of things covered

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there are teachings of how to come back into body teachings of how to feel present through the voice

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through the body through meditation through the breath through all kinds of movement and then there's

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training for adults to facilitate kids out in nature to show this kind of as above so below

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principle of creation of cosmos so the fractality so the same little spirals and patterns that you

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see in the galaxy are in a shell are in a cauliflower are in the cells of the body you know to

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recognize that there is this repeating fractality that happens across all of creation that we're all

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part of the same thing is all a holographic reality and showing children or teens or young adults this

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makes you feel much more connected to the world around that is natural that you are a natural being in

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a natural world and it all comes from the same creation the same building blocks and the same

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oneness or consciousness so the courses that we're going to be rolling out and they start this year

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they start in the summer and they'll probably continue we'll be training adults to become

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facilitated go out into the real world and be able to lead classes of course they have to get

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their own police checks and things like that to work with kids but we're giving them the framework

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that they can then go into schools and institutions and nurture children to feel that sense of bliss

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and oneness and connection without having to try too hard it's just a case of providing that

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opportunity for young people and it's a very pleasurable experience to go through all of that

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and even just opening their mind to the possibilities because so many of us at least are

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generation which is what Gen X we had we didn't even know about I mean you knew a little bit some

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bobs here and there but it wasn't really until the kind of we got older and you start searching

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you know you have that search you've got the career you've got the family now what

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and then you have to look and you have to find something but if we would have started out just

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knowing that all this stuff is out there and it would have been so much easier and I think so

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many people would not have that sense of isolation and loneliness that I think is really causing so many

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of the problems that we have in the world today so that's wonderful thank you for doing that because

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that is that's tremendous and I think it's going to be incredibly incredibly helpful in unifying

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yeah thanks Karen you know I think you know we talk about Gen X yeah we were the 70s kids and

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I mean the traits parents famously left us on our own the federal and divisive generation

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completely that's our generation we knew how to be bored we'd make something up out nothing or

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but yeah things could have been easy for us we did learn a lot of things the hard way but I think our

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young now I can't I can't fathom I can't fathom how it must be for them you know from everything to

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you know body image and shaming and bully I just there are so many layers to it that I think there's

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a way to cut through all of that and it we I mean down to Gen X again because I say that because

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we sort of had to carry a lot of the burden that our baby boom a pair and yeah down to Gen X again

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we are the ones that can help the older use nurture the younger use we are the ones that can do it

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yeah we are resourceful as a generation yes yes absolutely well some of you

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then there's us I just come to sit back and watch you guys do your work because

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oh you were pretty resourceful back in the day well back in the day but I think now

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not fallen to the AI job so I remember building in the living room like a little fire because I

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wanted to cook beans you built a fire in your living yes in a shag carpet and it was in like a coffee can

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and I put a bunch of sticks in there and I like I balanced something over and I had this little

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tiny fire going inside it was terrible I could have you know burnt the house down yeah but I didn't

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we can go down a huge rabbit hole for all the ways that we should have been dead right now but

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so I love that you brought up yoga because immediately people like me I'm I will blame myself because

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exactly what my where my mind went first and foremost you say yoga and you think exercise is

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yeah I think the proposals so been there so done that everybody talks about yoga yes but yoga is

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such there's such a breadth of experiences in yoga that people don't realize because it's a lot

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more than just poses and meditation there's a lot more to yoga in the somatic sense a lot of ways it

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helps you to connect but it'll also after you connect somatically then there's a step beyond that

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right and that is your energetic body your aura and you also help with getting in contact with that

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right how does that work we need to take a quick pause but we'll be right back right after these messages

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and now back to the show if you have a moment we'd love for you to contribute to the show by

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supports them. Karen and I love hearing from those that are moved to message us it truly does fuel

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our passion you are the reason we do this show and knowing what you like and don't like well that

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is going to help us craft the very best show we can so that we can help raise the vibration of the

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planet together okay I've kept you from the interview long enough so let's get to it thanks for

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listening after you connect somatically then there's a step beyond that right and that is your

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energetic body your aura and you also help with getting in contact with that right how does that work

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yeah that's yeah that's another part to it when we're talking about our energy and where we are

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in our life in in this era this modern day and we've we've now lived through the pandemic where we

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had this huge morphic field of fear and we're talking about our youth being you know having their

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attention pulled this way in their attention pulled that way in it really is kind of a battle of

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attention and energy where does your energy energy get taken and really when you think about it our

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energy is our greatest asset there is nothing greater than that energy without energy we are

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kaput and our energy is very much focused and contained when we bring awareness to it so we

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are speaking about yoga and other systems like yoga but part of where I feel that we're at now is

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it is really about time that we learn to master our energy 101 and start to think about what is

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our energy body okay let's go beyond chakras maybe let's even go beyond meridians people know

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about acupuncture and Chinese medicine and they even probably have heard of Chi Chi or Prana with

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various practices that are out there but learning to think about the fact that we all have our energy

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field we have a powerful heart that emits a very big frequency a very big vibration in fact all

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our chakras do but we all have an energy field and if our attention is focused and our breath is

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coherent then we have a coherent energy field around us if we're pulled out of place for some reason

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maybe we've been scared by watching the news or we've had a disagreement with something

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our energy can get pulled off to one side we can get holes in our aura or a week aura and then

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this kind of energy can leak out or we can have invested too much time and energy into something

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that's not serving us and that pulls out the balance of our chakras they can get skewed they move

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away from the center and when things aren't coherent or centripetal like running on a central axis

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then we have certain parts of our energy pulled left, right, and center and our focus is not so

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contained and it does have an effect on our immune system it has an effect on our moods

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the way we come across to people and this is very important so I thought that it's about time

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really we start to think about that whole thing the energy 101 of why we can be coherent, how we can

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be coherent and what makes us sovereign, independent, uninfluenced by things that we don't want to be

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influenced by able to make up our own mind without being scared or without feeling pressured without

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being led down divisive paths that wind us up or make us angry or even to pleat us make us feel tired

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and a lot of people suffer with fatigue a lot of people suffer with all kinds of health ailments but

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you know even when you're sick you have an energy body that is exacerbated depleted in some way

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it could be you know your chakras pulling off and your energy field pulling outwards

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there are a number of things that can happen but another way into health and coherence and that

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feeling of connection is via the energy body and it's not difficult to bring yourself into a

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centered place and when you do bring yourself into a centered place you can bring your aura into

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coherence you know the ideal situation is to have a strong aura with strong boundaries meaning that

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when you walk into a party or when you walk into a room you come across very well to other people

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you have healthy boundaries you don't look like you're weak or fatigued or you don't know who you are

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or you don't have clarity about yourself you know who you are you're standing present in your body

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that comes across that means you have a strong aura now people quite often

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empaths and definitely I fell into this category I had a large spongy aura which means I was very

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much wanting to connect out into the world and be friendly and friends with everybody but it often

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meant as a young person I would give too much of myself away and I'd feel tired or I'd say yes

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when I actually needed to say no I didn't have those strong boundaries I never knew how to charge

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enough money for my services people might take advantage of me or you know all kinds of things

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even in personal relationships so that often happens with empaths and I do often see that with

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people that want to get guidance and clarity on their future or how they can feel more successful or

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abundant and one of those things is about getting your energy back in getting a let's start with

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symmetrical coherent aura but then eventually work your way up to having a large strong aura

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because someone like the dallai llama for example let's give you that example has got a large

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strong aura he's no pushover he does have boundaries he has compassion but he's never brought

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down to someone's misery he's able to stay in his place where he can help with his compassion so he

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has he has that strength in his aura so there's a that's a great example of as an inspirational figure

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but having and cultivating a large strong aura not a leaky aura or a spongy aura where you take

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on other people's bad feelings and you worry about it or you get hurt very easy it could be in the workplace

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it could be in the home setting with your family you know we just have to leave the room

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these are surprisingly commonplace things and this is time that we learnt this because it's a very

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easy way to manage yourself life so do you think that all protein comes back to the christ consciousness

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by being in touch with that it should strengthen your aura or is that a different practice

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christ consciousness is a feeling and an experience and a consciousness that you can

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bring in or you can mirror into the world but it you have to be in a place of coherence first

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to raise your vibration to access that so it's it's a process and a journey so in my personal

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journey let's say I you know went through a healing journey with with cancer my intention was to

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heal myself by bringing awareness to the imbalance of my body and I wanted to work on my body my

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biology sell by cell and alchemise it turn it around thank it love it forgive it ask it to change

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things mantra repetition and prayer now on this one particular day I must have been always during

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the meditation sessions in very coherent states and then I guess a high vibratory state for me and I

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did the asking Jesus if you're there will you heal me and then this is when I had this profound

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Jesus or Christ conscious experience now I'm not sure that would have come to me in my

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scared stressed running around every day lighter I'd had before then it took for me to get sick to

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actually say right stop back to the drawing board I'm in a stew now what am I going to do I've got to

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turn this around I've got to pull something out the hat and because I had that fear I had that

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motivation to really really try and work hard on myself look at the shadows look at the ugly bits

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look at it all sit with myself actually sit down because I hadn't done that before

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really for a long time maybe not even as an adult and that coherence from that consistent conscious

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practice every day led me to the pure profound loving experience of Christ now it is a very

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high and intense feeling of love that I felt on that day now I'm not suggesting we all walk around

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with that extremely high elevated place of rapture that I experienced on that day but

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even though that moment washed over me and it washed away it left me in a more open place

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certain things embedded down in me certain things anchored down in me I lost my fear of dying

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and a lot of other things lightened up but now even though I don't walk around in that

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constant place of rapture the way I first experienced it with him I can tap into it now I can refer

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back to it and I know what that felt like and I know that is there and I know that it is

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it's not just a person and a man called Jesus walking around it is much bigger than that

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it is a place that is in existence before we all came into body it is a place in a state of being

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which is a however you want to refer to it as a state of godliness coming home or a state of

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the divine which in essence really is what we humans are about you know we're not robots we're not

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AI you know we are something special I just want to let that sit for a second that's profound that is

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who we are and yet so seldom do we truly understand that

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and so if you get one thing from this episode I want it to be that that we are so much more than

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what we are positioning ourselves as right now and Gail thank you for helping us to frame that in

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such a perfect way well if you haven't listened to Gail's previous episodes on our show I would urge

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you strongly to do that we are going to leave a direct link in our show notes that it's easy for

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you to identify and listen to it because you touched on your experience with Jesus in the Christ

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and having a deeper dive into how that all happened that's in our previous episode so we really

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encourage you to go back and listen to that because it's a remarkable story yes and an emotional one

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that really you can see when you speak about it it really touches you when it touches us so I'm sure

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that anyone who listens to it will be touched as well so yeah it really was a turning point in my life

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and I do often get tearful when I'm asked to explain what happened to me it's quite difficult to put

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into words a feeling that is bigger than you've ever had before yeah but having remember if remembering

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the story you can see where all of your focus on going back to that Christ consciousness has become

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so important to you because it is a it was a life-changing experience that helped you get through

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an awful diagnosis a cancer diagnosis that that we dive into on the other episode so yeah there's

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so many of us experience yes and more and more these days unfortunately so now when you tap because

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now you can tap in I guess not easily but maybe it's easy to the Christ consciousness is the feeling

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how does it compare to that original feeling is it as strong or is it no more familiar or

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we need to take a quick pause but we'll be right back right after these messages

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and now back to the show how does it compare to that original feeling is it as strong or is it

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more familiar or yeah so okay so it has happened to me well I'd say twice in a very strong way and a

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third time in a kind of more miles way but what I'm tapping into is the knowing the memory of that

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experience and the knowing the knowing which is just kind of installed in me now it's kind of just

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a field of consciousness that I'd say is in the background of me so of course I'm getting preoccupied

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in my day to day life and you know getting on with my normal everyday stuff but it's something

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that I can refer back to not the heights of the original first feeling but it's something that I

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have felt and I can refer to and I can remember I know it's there I know it exists and I know that

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that is what I'll be experiencing a lot more of when I transition from the body

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so it's like there's a bouquet of flowers and it has this incredibly strong beautiful scent

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and you remove that bouquet but you can still have that lingering scent kind of like coming back

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to that maybe I love the way you put things into it it's very poetic but that's true and it's like

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getting a going somewhere and getting the essence of that scent and it taking you all the way back

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to that original special feeling very much so and now you are helping others to connect to these

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kinds of this this feeling so if someone wanted to take just the first baby step into doing that

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I know we talked about yoga but let's say that they're within their own confines what's the first step

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that someone should do in order to get connected to that grace consciousness I think yoga sounds

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like a big daunting word especially because it represents so much I think I think there is the

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asking side of it and giving yourself permission to be able to experience that for yourself

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I think it's more than just wanting to find presence presence is the doorway of course in which all

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of that can happen but the Christ consciousness experience itself it depends who you are and where

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you are in your life and from where you're asking so if you are asking from a place of coherence

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and you have had a very strong way of being coherent and balanced and centered for most of your life

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then this is just the case of changing your perspective and making yourself willing and open

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for the highest intention and the highest good of yourself there are other people that would be coming

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from this from a place of addiction or from a place of trauma in which case they've got some

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journey to go through first and that's a journey of finding coherence first and foremost a journey

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of finding the presence within yourself a journey of moving from your head into your heart that

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journey of coming into the whole body but learning to think with the heart so most of us again

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something that we've had trained out of us we're often thinking with the head or we're thinking

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with our instincts even we talk about we spoke about current you know feeling things with the gut

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but really the thinking should be done with the heart so learning to be and relate to people in

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their everyday life we spoke about kindness before in our previous chat with each other but

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there's a place there's a place to start learning to think and feel from the heart learning to be

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heart oriented in your life rather than you know we need our senses we need our our mental faculties to

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you know write emails and cross a road and drive a car but then the decisions and the way we come

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across the people and the way we respond to people if we just stop ourselves in all the moment and

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try to learn to re-habituate ourselves into responding from the heart rather responding from the head

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often that takes a second or two to just close out your eyes and so I'm going to take my time here

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and find it before I speak rather than experiencing reacting experiencing reacting so there's

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a start of Christ consciousness being heart-led heart centered which incidentally is something very

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much fundamental in my teaching coherence with the energy body to people and teaching adults to

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work with kids to work with them in a heart-centered heart-led way but there is your access but remember

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people can't at their self-development or their spiritual progress from different places and

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some of us I mean we all go through that journey that dark night of the soul and we all have

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things that we need to face up to or traumas that we're doing our best to work through and so we

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all find ourselves in different places along that line of life and the life arc so you know first

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and foremost find that coherence you find coherence by being in the presence coherence can happen

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from a number of ways but essentially you're bringing your awareness in and you're working on

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that balance in your energy body on a practical level on a day-to-day level it's learning to operate

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from the heart so as a teacher and a coach and a mentor how do you

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help somebody who is doing all the things and they're you know doing the event they're doing the

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meditating and they're reaching out from the heart and they're trying and they're not connecting

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and they're seeing other people that it's working for and it's not working for them how do you help

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them stay in that path on that path you're asking for a friend right yeah

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most of you are out of friends yeah and that's a really good question because

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sometimes when I go back to that Picasso analogy we can try so hard there's almost like an arc to it

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when the time is right the time is right and you kind of have to learn to do

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the motions before you can learn to let it all go and sometimes there's a paradox and you know

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when you want something so badly you get this off them with people wanting to learn how to channel

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or anything wanting to find true love you try so hard that the angst actually is the

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resistance is the block and sometimes it's just a case of letting go so there are

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for those who have a lot of resistance to practices that are working on the subtle finer

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arts of connection and perception there are the wonderful practices that you would put in the

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more gross category that have more physical or allowed things for you to hold onto that allow you

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to structure mind while you experience a letting go behind the scene so things such as you know

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the very loud and vigorous breathing of whimhoff or any breathing exercise it has a noise and it

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has a gusto and it has an effort you are trying very hard cold therapies really good for that

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things that are so big and so pronounced that you can't possibly hold onto the idea that you want

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to feel that bliss or that Christ conscious is so much because you're thinking about the cold or

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you're thinking about the numbers that you're counting in your head or you're thinking about the

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breathing exercises or the chart you're doing or the dance you're doing it's it's what happens to you

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when you are distracted then there is a letting go that happens behind the scenes and in that letting

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go of the nervous system there is a resting place there is that coherence that you can find behind

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it so people trying too hard perhaps are stuck too much in the mind and therefore they need

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practices that are more physical or more audible to distract the mind so the body can understand

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behind the scenes on a whole level because the body is speaking a certain language of vibration

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and it knows its origin state this Christ conscious state it knows the language of the cosmos

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the mind does it the mind and the body of this big different languages so sometimes you just have

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to give the mind something to get on with so your body can do what it finds natural without the

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brain or the mind being resistant to it well in these are the kinds of things that you help

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people with in fact we be remiss we didn't mention the coherent aura mastery courses the

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your training which we already talked about training adults to help a young bliss connection

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but you also teach channeling as well if someone wants to reach out to you and learn from you

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or just connect with you in some way what's the best way for someone to do that well i think you can

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go to my youtube channel that's a good way to see a lot of what i talk about and there are practices

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and there are lessons and theory there or you can go to my website where you are welcome i welcome

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you to book a discovery core i'd love to actually chat to you if you have some questions there and you

547
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:49,920
can tell me where you are and where you'd like to get to and there's also a free gift on my website

548
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so you can go there there is a very accessible masterclass there called christ stars and the top

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code which is a kind of energetic experience a very short one hour experience very accessible

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00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,400
where i lead people through the journey of my christ and tarp experience and what christ consciousness is

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beyond that if you want to know a bit more about tarp there is the book of tarp which is a kind of

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profound wisdom teaching about life and how to feel that happiness and connection and living in

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this kind of heart loving action place and if i would have been a producer i would have thought

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ahead and hand because i have the book and i should have had it ready to show but it's right here behind me

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oh yeah i've got it there you go failing that i'm going to be in sedona in march and you can come

556
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and see me there in person just to say hi if you want if you happen to be in the area or any one

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of these big events happening i'll be there for the sedona ascension retreat and i'll be doing a talk

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on christ stars and the top code and i'll be doing a coherent aura aetheric energy hygiene workshop

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there and i'll also be doing a tarp hands on healing and activation out in the red rocks and of course

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you can yeah you can come and see me or you can book to see me online for some personal tarp guidance

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or healing and activation well i think this conversation has activated my psychic senses because i

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get i'm getting a feeling we're going to be in sedona in march i hope you're right oh i love that

563
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i'd love that gale of always unbelievable conversation it's such a pleasure having you on the show

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again we're going to add those direct links to our show notes so if you missed that or if you didn't

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have a pen in that particular point in time just go to scepticmaneposition.com with or her episode page

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and you'll see the link to her website and to her youtube page directly in there as well as a link to

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her pasta episode so you can hear that as well because it's really important gale i can't thank you

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enough for coming on the show again is pleasure connecting with you caron and will thank you so much i

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love our chat so always really heartfelt i genuinely love spending my time with you i wish we could

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hang out more we've got the pond between us but that's just that way together and ether

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may mark the pond we'll be there oh great great i look forward to seeing you

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yeah well pleasure seeing you again take care thanks

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