Episode 86 - Crisp Point Lighthouse

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Hi everyone, I'm Emily. And I'm Vince. And this

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is The Lighthouse Lowdown. Nice little, what

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was it, what is it called when you do that? I

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don't know, like jazz hands or something? Yeah,

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I was thinking like starburst or something. Could

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be, could be, is it a dancing term? Um, no. From

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the lightning dancers? That's what I'll call

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it. Don't talk about my past. No, we don't want

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to talk about that. All right, I used to be a

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dancer, a drill team, Texas football, and now

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we're here. And they were called the Lightning

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Dancers. Yeah, everyone was rude. So I changed

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to bowling, and now I'm just a nerd. Now she's

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mine. Nerd and with damaged hamstrings from all

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the splits that I couldn't do but did anyway.

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Really painful. Well, you made it, and that was

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probably helpful in bowling. What, having stiff

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hamstrings? Probably not, but I tried. I tried.

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Anyway. So I'll go into our history buoy. I have

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one. Yeah, let's go. Oh, wait. Hold on. We have

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Vince back on the sound effects. Back on the

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mic. Okay, excuse me. That went on far too long.

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The crowd was out of control. Imagine if we had

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a live audience. Oh, it'd be terrible. Well,

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we're going to. Vince and I have been accepted

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to do a presentation at the Osher Institute in

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the spring. Public speaking. Osher. O -S -H -E

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-R. Oh, did I say Osher? No, you said Osher.

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I'm just telling the fans. If you want to come

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see us talk live for the first time ever, it's

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through the Osher Institute. You have to be a

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part of it. I think it's related to Boise State

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University. I'm actually not sure. They're everywhere.

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Oh, really? Yeah. That's really great. So, but

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yeah, it'll be at Boise. I'm excited. I'm less

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than excited. We have to get lighthouse print

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suits to wear. Suits. Wow. Absolutely. Can you

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imagine? I wouldn't want to set that tone for

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our presentation. History Buoy is going to be

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about the light list. The light list. During

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our Whitefish Point episode, we were talking,

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like questioning how mariners knew. what kind

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of changes came up with navigational aids. How

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do they stay updated? And we promptly, the day

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of publication, promptly got a response from

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Ralph, who told us the answer to that question.

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Let's go, Ralph. That is The Light List. That's

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the name, The Light List. And it's been updated

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for centuries. So this has been going on since...

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Basically, since we've had navigational aids,

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nowadays it's officially the U .S. Coast Guard

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light list, which is in a digital format, and

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they update that daily, which I think is crazy.

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It has over 40 ,000 navigational aids, also called

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ATONS, A -T -O -N -S, in the Northeast alone.

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So they have it split up by region. And just

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in that one digital file, there's 40 ,000. I'm

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like, in this day and age? So 40 ,000... Buoys,

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lighthouses, foghorns. And this is a description

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of how the flash pattern is? I'll show an example.

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Why is this not working? The light list. So I'll

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show an example. But yeah, it's basically, it's

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like their location, what their light characteristic

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is, their signal patterns, which... This is not...

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how i want it there's no way to make this there

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we go that's how i like it i think your uh cable

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is unhooked on the side towards the boom see

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those the hook oh there's no string on it okay

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on the bottom oh it helps it to balance yeah

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why are they all off i'm not sure just pick some

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random this one's off too Some random ones here.

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Maybe it's because we treat them so poorly. Yeah,

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if anyone wants to sponsor us. So we can get

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better equipment. We can go for an update on

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our equipment. Specifically, Rode, Sennheiser,

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Bose. You know, the good stuff. Any Skullcandy,

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I don't care. Skullcandy, that's a blast from

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the past. Yeah, they're still out there. So,

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I've taken us off track. No, no, I did it with

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this. The list has... light characteristics,

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and signal patterns. So you can take a look at

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it and find out if the buoy you're approaching

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is a very specific one. Cool. That's awesome.

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And mariners use this list along with nautical

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charts and local notices to mariners, which is

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another thing that's updated regularly, also

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called LNMs. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, sorry.

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To find the way around. And that's that. So originally

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these notices would be published in newspapers

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and so that it would be like a blurb, just a

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little paragraph that's like, hey, this buoy

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is out because of a storm or this lighthouse

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is damaged or this foghorn's not working or they

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changed the light to this or they're painting

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this one, you know, just like weekly or daily.

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I don't think it's daily. Probably just in the

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newspaper. Yeah. It used to be daily. A lot of

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places. I think some smaller towns had less than

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daily. It was a big deal, like in the city, they

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had the daily news. Yeah, true. Yeah, so just,

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I guess whenever, and you just hope that you

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had the updated information. But I looked on

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the light list on the Coast Guard website. I

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guess where I found it is the Navigational Center.

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In the Coast Guard website, which is linked in

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our show notes. If anybody's interested in scrolling

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through hundreds of pages of navigational buoys.

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I like that idea. And I pulled up just a screen

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grab of part of one page. So it just has various

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information. You can see the light characteristic

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that we're familiar with on there. And it's latitude,

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longitude, the name. And each one is assigned

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a number, obviously, from one to. 40 ,000 for

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Northeast. Yeah. So that's thousands of entries.

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Yeah. Thousands. I'm sure. Hundreds of thousands.

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Hundreds of thousands. I didn't look at all how

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many are in each region, but Northeast is a pretty

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popular. Right. Yeah. Navigational eras. Lots

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of lighthouses. Exactly. Lots of lighthouses,

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lots of buoys. Very cool. Thank you. So originally

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these were updated by local superintendents and

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then by the U .S. Lighthouse Board and now by

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the Coast Guard. So I thought I saw that it was

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updated weekly and then I saw that it said it

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was updated every 24 hours. And then they have

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an annual one that they publish every year. Lots

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of ways to stay informed. Do you know, is that

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publish meant like a book or is it online only?

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I think it's only digital now. Probably to stay

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up to date. Yeah, it used to not be. I mean,

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obviously, but like even in recent years, it

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used to not be just digital, but now I think

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it's only digital. Cool. It's a lot of paper.

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Yeah, thousands and thousands. Really cool. And

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we'll move on to our lighthouse today. After

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that little bit of information, little bits,

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we have a listener lighthouse lined up. So thank

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you for sending this one on, Travis. Travis.

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Thank you for sending this in. I mentioned how

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we talked about this in our whitefish episode,

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Whitefish Point. And so speaking of, we're heading

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back to the same area, Shipwreck Coast on Lake

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Superior. I'm actually not sure where Shipwreck

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Coast is at. We covered it in our Whitefish Point

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episode. So go back and have a listen for all

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the juicy deets. But I think long story short

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is that it's where most shipwrecks happen in

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Lake Superior. Sure. Well, it's funny. I remember

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the graveyard of the Pacific is the Outer Banks

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area. Or the Atlantic, excuse me. And the graveyard

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of the Pacific is near that big inlet. Cape Disappointment

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is over there. Yeah, Victoria's. That's up north.

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Oh. What's the big river? Well, yeah, that you

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covered in Cape Disappointment. Columbia River,

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the bar. So, anyways. I guess Terrible Tilly

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is over there, too. Oh, yeah, Terrible Tilly.

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So, yeah, I guess there's one for every body

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of water. So, we've got one for our Great Lakes

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over here. So, in 1876, four life -saving stations

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were built along this shipwreck coast. which

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is kind of crazy like four just along this all

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in one year sure they said it was like 70 miles

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which i guess is a lot but yeah all in one year

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it was vermilion crisps point two heart river

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and deer park life -saving stations and that's

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from east to west so crisps point Was originally

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called Station Number 10, which would have been

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easier for me to say, but was later named after

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the second keeper of the life -saving station,

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Christopher Crisp, who served from 1878 to 1890.

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So pretty big stint doing some life -saving duties.

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So then they renamed it to Crisp's Point. And

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then they, like, over time, it was like Crisp's,

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like, ownership. Yeah. Apostrophe. With a C?

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Yeah, like a crisp. Crisp, crisp. Something crispy.

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And then they removed the apostrophe. You know

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how over time stuff just loses its detail. Someone

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spells it wrong. Yeah, so it lost its apostrophe,

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and now it's lost the S on the end, so it's just

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crisp point. Which is also kind of hard to say.

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But a little bit easier than crisps point. It's

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like saying wasps. Yeah, wasps. Very good. But

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Christopher Crisp is a fun name. It is. I agree

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with that. And I think this may be one of the

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first lighthouses that we've covered, or that

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at least that I've known that they had a life

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-saving station before they had a lighthouse.

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In 1896, so that's 20 years after the life -saving

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stations were built, the lighthouse board first

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requested a lighthouse on this point saying,

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quote, this is a dangerous point for vessels

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bound down the lake in thick weather. These vessels

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all try to make Whitefish Point, but a slight

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variation in their course from the nearest point

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of departure will run them ashore near Crisp's

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Point. Several wrecks have occurred here, end

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quote. And they repeated this request until 1902

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when Congress appropriated $18 ,000 for a lighthouse

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and a fog signal. Six years. This is 16. Oh,

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here's the location. Oh, yeah. Can I take a second

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to look at it? Sure. And my little blown up image

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is just to show how, what's it called? Like secluded

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it is. There's nothing there. Wildlife reserve.

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Never built any like big cities or anything.

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I bet it's gorgeous in the summer. Yeah. Yeah.

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In the winter, it's probably pretty scary. So

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it's on the, uh, the South coast of, is this

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Lake Superior? I actually don't know. Yeah. Lake

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Superior is the, yeah. Very cool. So. It continues

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all the way down. Ultra green. But I had never

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seen the clipping set up to where you could see

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every year how they submit the exact same information.

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No, I've never seen that. Waiting for the lighthouse

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to be approved. And so each year they add, it

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says like, the following recommendation made

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in the board's annual report is renewed. And

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then the next one says, the following recommendation

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made in the board's last two annual reports is

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renewed. And it goes on the last three, the last

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four, the last five. Also, it grows in length,

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it looks like. Or is that just a first glance?

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I think it's, I think the first one was a little

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bit longer and then they just kept the important

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points. Sure. And then here is whenever it was

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approved. So it's just like a little blurb about

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how much money and everything. So that's so funny.

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I know I'd never seen it all put together like

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that. And we've read it a couple of times where

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they're like, Hey, they repeat this request every

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year. And then it gets. Oh, like they allow it.

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But I'm like, what does that actually look like?

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Are they, we actually, I think we even talked

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about it. Like every time you ask for it, do

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you just copy and paste the same thing you sent

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last year? And you do. Try to make a better argument.

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They're like, no. I don't know at this point.

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I already asked for this for Christmas. So yeah,

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so we got accepted 1902, $18 ,000. And the lighthouse

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was a 58 foot tall brick circular white tower.

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a classic that flares out to the octagonal black

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lantern room. So it's like, you know, a cone,

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but then it flares out again, which is kind of

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special. Sounds classy. It has a keeper's duplex

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for the principal and first assistant. And what

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I would describe as a standalone studio apartment

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for the second assistant, which by my calculations

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was only 168 square feet. One room. That is small.

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It was like 16 by, you know, whatever, 10 feet

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or something. Like some variation of that. I

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don't think you could do anything but sleep.

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Honestly. That's what I'm like. That's crazy.

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It's like a shed. Exactly. It looked like a little

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shed. So I pulled up a picture. They got a really

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nice duplex set up there. And there's a chance

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that this little house in the background is.

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This is a classy spread. Yeah. This is a classy

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spread here. I like this. First off, Lighthouse

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and I think the Oil House probably. The service

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room. Excuse me. The service room. Which was

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added later. It wasn't there at first. They're

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in the perfect shape of an L. Oh my gosh. Lighthouse

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Lowdown -esque. The Lighthouse Lowdown, which

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you may notice that's our symbol. And also the

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house is a classy bitch too. I don't know what

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it is. Just looking at it. It's got, what's it

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called? Chimneys? No, the thing over the window.

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I won't know. It's eluding me now, but there's

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a thing that's structural when you have brick.

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Like a big stone over the top. Sometimes you

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use a beam or a piece of iron in modern construction.

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And it carries the load of the bricks around

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the window opening. And these are made of what

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looks like limestone. Yeah. Really nice look

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contrasting the darker. And the outdoor porches

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are nice. It's very evenly, very symmetrical

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straight down the front. I like it. Is it for

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sales on Zillow? It's raised. Shoot. So anyway,

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58 foot tall, white, pretty nice. Very nice tower.

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Unless you're the second assistant and then it's

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maybe not so nice. You better be a single man.

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Put you under the stairs. When the first head

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keeper moved in in late April 1904, when they

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finished construction, the floors to the duplex

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were not in yet when he moved in. They didn't

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have the floors done. And he wrote in the logbook,

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quote, I took charge of the station today at

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1030 and found the station in good condition

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or as good as can be expected under the circumstances.

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As the floors of the dwelling are not finished,

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decided to live for the present in the workman's

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quarters. Captain Hunter of number 10 station

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has shown every kindness possible and gave a

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very cordial welcome. End quote. So the life

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-saving station and the keepers appear to be

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in good standing, which is nice. Yeah, even with

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no floors. You'd think the floor, what do you

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mean it's not done? Yeah, it's like. Can you

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see the structure below? Like unlivable. Are

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you missing floorboards? Right. Is it that you

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cannot go into the house? Because otherwise,

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why would you live in a service room? I open

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the door and there's no floor. Anyhow, that's

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interesting, living in the service room. And,

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well, I mean, like they finished it within the

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year. So it was just like when he moved there.

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The station is open from what I think is May

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to November. So the rest of the time it's so

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snowy that it doesn't matter. You know, like

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the lake's frozen. They just close the lighthouse.

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And so they tend to get there early before the

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light has to be turned on because there's so

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much to do before the station comes back on.

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So I think that's kind of what happened here

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is he showed up really early and was like, okay,

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well, they're not. Quite done. I've never thought

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about that before. Well, because they even said

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construction stopped in like December or something.

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They just couldn't do it anymore. And they were

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like, oh, we were so close, but the season's

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over. And so we have to just come back in a few

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months to finish adding floors. I'd be really,

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I mean, I know that's what we're doing now, but

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I'd be really interested to hear some more. history

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on like coming to the station, even let's say

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after it's built and a fully established a couple

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of years later for a seasonal deployment, you

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come out and you you're commissioning a lighthouse.

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So you have to get the light working, the mechanics

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going, repair things, um, all before starting.

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And then as the normal story that we know is

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that it's so much work to maintain a lighthouse

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and grounds. So I can imagine what kind of preparations

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involved. After it being like totally unattended,

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frozen for months. Interesting. Yeah, it's pretty

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cool. Never thought about that. After they got

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a confirmation from Whitefish Point, the solid

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red fourth order Fresnel lens was lit May 5th,

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1904. So it's kind of fun. They have to like

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communicate with other lighthouses. Like, am

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I good to turn on? I'm on. So cute and fresh.

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A service building was built and connected to

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the tower by a short walkway, which we have seen

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on our screen here. It's very classic. Classy.

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It's just like, you know, Curituck and Body Island

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and all that. So I've always liked them. Especially

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in the early 1900s for a light to not have one

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in the first place and then add one, you know?

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Like, what was the, what was, was it easier?

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I think it makes it easier. To build the lighthouse

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and then build an add -on. Well, all these construction

00:19:08.430 --> 00:19:10.369
projects to build a lighthouse, they never go

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smooth. Yeah. What was the one, Absecon Light,

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where they had dewatering and they had to build

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train tracks just to get materials there? All

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that is to say, there's all these stories where

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it's enough to get the project going and the

00:19:26.390 --> 00:19:29.250
lighthouse running. And then I bet you they'd

00:19:29.250 --> 00:19:30.789
be like, well, it'd be nice if our oil storage

00:19:30.789 --> 00:19:33.920
was closer. to the lighthouse so we don't have

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to carry it as far so it's more accessible what

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about a storm so i think these are additions

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that are really useful and common but they're

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not always included in that first construction

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yeah also the cost get it up get it started and

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then you can start worrying about other stuff

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yeah maybe but the same time they added this

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they added 750 feet of cement walkway and a landing

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crib so just to make it easier to get around

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which I can understand that. Absolutely. Oh,

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yeah. So this is a little bit later on, but you

00:20:05.609 --> 00:20:08.849
can see they had some of those groins that I

00:20:08.849 --> 00:20:11.210
talked about in a past episode. Yeah, for erosion,

00:20:11.410 --> 00:20:14.529
right? Yeah. So they had a big problem with that,

00:20:14.549 --> 00:20:16.130
too, but it wasn't talked about too much. It

00:20:16.130 --> 00:20:18.549
was just like a keeper's wife that I'm going

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to talk about here in a second. She purchased.

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No, I don't know how many. I think it was like

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34 of. this coastline or like maybe 24 it was

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either 24 or 34 and by the time they retired

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it had been reduced to like 11 oh my gosh yeah

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because of erosion so there is a big problem

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all the way around so let's remind some listeners

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who weren't there for the first i think we talked

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about on martha's vineyard if i recall we talked

00:20:47.509 --> 00:20:50.549
about these growing right no martha's vineyard

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was a long time ago i thought i talked about

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them At Whitefish Point, which I guess would

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make sense. Oh, it might have been. Yeah, because

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it's the same area. So it's like a pier made

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of riprap? Yeah, they're like wooden piles, basically,

00:21:03.430 --> 00:21:06.809
that just go out into the ocean. Staked into

00:21:06.809 --> 00:21:10.650
the water, into the sediment. It's just supposed

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to break up, I think, the impact of the waves

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coming in so they don't suck out quite as much

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sand. And this photo we're looking at now shows

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kind of the aerial view with six of those I can

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see. It looks like six of those groins. And the

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space where the lighthouse and the site is constructed

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is kind of out away from the trees in the only

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beach that's visible. So I bet you that was the

00:21:40.660 --> 00:21:43.859
concern is, oh, this little elbow that we're

00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:46.200
on is going to be gone. Yeah, and they have some

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walls built up trying to stop all that. cool

00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.420
it's definitely a problem but it's still the

00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:56.599
lighthouse itself is still standing today but

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i i'm pretty sure if you look at photos it's

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like right on the edge shame but even with these

00:22:02.539 --> 00:22:04.799
updates like adding all the walkways and the

00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:06.420
landing crib and everything it was still really

00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:08.460
difficult to get to the station at all and you

00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:10.220
know you and i just looked at the picture um

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if anybody's watching our youtube channel it's

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like Even today, it is in the middle of nowhere.

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It's in a wildlife reserve. So there's absolutely

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no, there's like one road that goes to it. Since

00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:24.160
they relit in May, I think, they would have to

00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.319
come back in April. And even then, everything

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was still covered in snow. Cold, yeah. So in

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1933, a newspaper article posted that the first

00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.759
assistant keeper, quote, looks forward to an

00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:37.279
adventuresome trip to the station, which will

00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:39.599
be made by driving as far as Eckerman. Don't

00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.369
know where that is. Taking a stage from there

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north to Whitefish and then making a 20 mile

00:22:45.049 --> 00:22:47.509
snowshoe trip to the Chris Point Lighthouse.

00:22:47.710 --> 00:22:52.369
Oh my gosh. 20 miles. Like to go through all

00:22:52.369 --> 00:22:54.109
this traveling that it's like you drive, you

00:22:54.109 --> 00:22:56.849
take a, what a stage, like a stage coach. I assume

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a horse drawn carriage. Yeah. And then snowshoe

00:23:00.390 --> 00:23:05.329
30 miles, 20, 20 miles. Is that silly to say

00:23:05.329 --> 00:23:07.789
that they were driving a horse carriage in the

00:23:07.789 --> 00:23:11.200
1930s? Well, they. I mean, in rural parts, maybe

00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.039
cars. Well, yeah, they had cars, but they weren't

00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:17.839
that common. No, they weren't very tough. My

00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:20.299
grandparents, I want to get sidetracked, but

00:23:20.299 --> 00:23:22.259
just a quick comment. There are stories to be

00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:25.880
told about early cars. Um, and my grandparents'

00:23:26.059 --> 00:23:27.960
family, really interesting in the state of Washington.

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But, uh, well, let's go back to 20 miles on snowshoe.

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Like, are you stopping in the middle or no? I

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don't know. I don't know. How much can a healthy

00:23:40.819 --> 00:23:44.960
human cover? I think if you were an athlete,

00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:47.240
like if you were someone who ran marathons, that

00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:50.180
type of, like you trained regularly, you could

00:23:50.180 --> 00:23:53.960
do it in a day. But it would be a long day because

00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.079
an average walking speed is about three miles

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per hour. And that's not snowshoeing. That's

00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:04.220
walking on clean pavement. So it would be a full

00:24:04.220 --> 00:24:07.819
day of endurance if you did it in one. I've only

00:24:07.819 --> 00:24:11.079
snowshoed one time. Have you ever done it? No.

00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:14.339
Well, you're not much of a hiker. I was going

00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:17.640
to say you might like it. No, I feel like I've

00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:20.119
snowshoed before. Because we used to visit my

00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:23.900
aunt and uncle in Monument, Colorado all the

00:24:23.900 --> 00:24:26.200
time. Yeah, nice. And when we were kids. And

00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.500
I feel like we've snowshoed. At least one time.

00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:31.960
Yeah. I've had some experience with it because

00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:33.880
it's actually kind of hard. It is. You have to

00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.640
spread your legs. Yes. You're walking with these

00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.920
giant feet and then like your legs get really

00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:40.720
tight, your hips and stuff. You have to extend

00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.599
like you're walking like a cowboy. Cowboy. Cowboy.

00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:45.880
Extra cowboy. Ready to pull on those revolvers.

00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:48.680
But anyways, that's kind of crazy. Quite the

00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:50.599
journey. Especially if you had like a wife and

00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:53.200
kids, like are they, are they with you? You don't

00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:55.000
have a wife and kids. I mean, but they do. Not

00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.319
snowshoeing 20 miles. Well, I can tell you. They

00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.380
come out when the weather's nicer, I bet. I can

00:24:59.380 --> 00:25:01.839
tell you, oh, you're so right. They would come

00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:05.019
a little later. Okay. Yeah, I can see that. But

00:25:05.019 --> 00:25:07.599
I was going to talk about Joseph N. Singleton,

00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:13.779
who served from 1923 to 1939. So that's a solid,

00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:17.559
like, over 15 years. He and his wife, Martha,

00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:19.380
lived at the lighthouse with their four sons,

00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.039
usually referred to as the lighthouse kids, like

00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.819
in town and stuff. And the family were well -known

00:25:24.819 --> 00:25:27.880
trappers, hunters, and... fisherman and Martha

00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.500
was noted as winning a fishing contest six miles

00:25:30.500 --> 00:25:34.019
off the lighthouse in 1939 with a 31 pound trout.

00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:38.440
I'm like, hell yeah. That's awesome. She's like,

00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:40.799
and I cooked it too. One year, a government,

00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:42.960
I just have like some stories from because they

00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.319
stayed there the longest and you know, the lighthouse

00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.299
kids. Yeah. Anytime there are lighthouse kids,

00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:49.880
there ends up being a ton of stories told because

00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.859
it's like a huge part of how they grew up and

00:25:53.859 --> 00:25:55.720
now we're really interested in what that was

00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.460
like. So yeah, we get to hear a lot about it

00:25:58.460 --> 00:26:01.700
from lighthouse kids. But one of the years, a

00:26:01.700 --> 00:26:03.779
government construction crew working at Chris

00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:06.660
point helped 17 year old Tom, who was the second

00:26:06.660 --> 00:26:10.240
oldest of the lighthouse kids to build a 24 foot

00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:13.839
fish tug that he named laughs dream. And often

00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:18.240
Tom had to beach the tug. to avoid, like, all

00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.220
the sudden changes that happened in Lake Superior.

00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:22.839
So, like, he'd go out fishing or whatever with

00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:24.259
his brothers, and then all of a sudden it would

00:26:24.259 --> 00:26:27.779
be stormy, and he'd have to just beach it. Tom

00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:29.539
and Jack, who was usually with him, I think it

00:26:29.539 --> 00:26:32.339
was the older, but I don't know that for sure,

00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.740
I guess, the oldest son. Yeah. They would make

00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:38.559
for Two Hearts Lifesaving Station, which was

00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:45.730
a little bit, I think, east. Let me check. A

00:26:45.730 --> 00:26:47.990
little bit west from Crisp Point. So the closest

00:26:47.990 --> 00:26:50.470
life -saving station that wasn't where they came

00:26:50.470 --> 00:26:53.650
from. They would aim the tug for that because

00:26:53.650 --> 00:26:55.869
it's safer to beach where you're going to be

00:26:55.869 --> 00:26:58.950
rescued. So at least there was a pardon to do

00:26:58.950 --> 00:27:01.670
that. But they would wait until the boat hit

00:27:01.670 --> 00:27:04.349
bottom before jumping off, holding onto an oar

00:27:04.349 --> 00:27:06.609
to stay afloat. And then the crew at the life

00:27:06.609 --> 00:27:08.650
-saving station would come and get them from

00:27:08.650 --> 00:27:11.769
the water. And on one instance, the keeper of

00:27:11.769 --> 00:27:13.710
the Two Heart Station called the boy's father

00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:15.869
and said, quote, I wish them damn boys of yours

00:27:15.869 --> 00:27:17.789
would drown and get it over with. We're tired

00:27:17.789 --> 00:27:22.390
of pulling them out of the lake. I'm like, I

00:27:22.390 --> 00:27:24.869
bet at the time that was acceptable. Why is he

00:27:24.869 --> 00:27:28.309
quoted? Dad is like, I'm going to write this

00:27:28.309 --> 00:27:32.470
down. Just in case, you know. It's like the bad

00:27:32.470 --> 00:27:34.869
guys in all of the Scooby -Doo. Those meddling

00:27:34.869 --> 00:27:38.849
kids. Goddamn lighthouse kids. Like, think about.

00:27:40.099 --> 00:27:42.799
How dramatic these rescues were when we talk

00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.240
about them in life -saving stations. And they

00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.220
have to get in the water. It's probably cold.

00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.619
They're using all this equipment. But it's basically

00:27:50.619 --> 00:27:53.960
like doing drills over again. It would be, though,

00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.660
annoying if you're saving the same kids. The

00:27:56.660 --> 00:27:59.019
same kids. Come on. Why do you keep doing this?

00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:00.539
And they're like, oh, we'll always be saved.

00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:03.460
You're going to help us every time. So he's just

00:28:03.460 --> 00:28:07.220
like, I wish they would drown. I wish your kids

00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:12.099
would die. Rough. Those are just some fun stories

00:28:12.099 --> 00:28:14.640
told by Tom himself. You know what year that

00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.200
was, that last one? It didn't say. It didn't

00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.160
say. Sometime in their 15 years there somewhere.

00:28:21.259 --> 00:28:26.579
Before the Coast Guard took over. 1939 is when

00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:29.980
they were done. But speaking of, Chris Point

00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:34.460
was electrified and automated in 1941. And so

00:28:34.460 --> 00:28:36.859
I do think that there was a Coast Guard keeper

00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:39.539
there for just those two years. And then it was

00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:44.019
automated. 1965, the Coast Guard raised all the

00:28:44.019 --> 00:28:46.299
buildings on the station aside from the lighthouse

00:28:46.299 --> 00:28:49.140
and its attached service room. So unfortunately,

00:28:49.299 --> 00:28:53.500
our duplex is no more. Which I'm glad we have

00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:56.359
a picture of it because it's pretty nice. It's

00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.980
like slightly gothic. Yeah. You know? It also

00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:01.500
makes sense, like 30 years unattended to. Mm

00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:03.400
-hmm. Because the Coast Guard. It doesn't serve

00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:06.700
any navigational purpose, so. Yeah, once the

00:29:06.700 --> 00:29:10.180
story goes, right, once the Coast Guard automates

00:29:10.180 --> 00:29:13.200
a lighthouse, they don't maintain anything except

00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:16.299
for the light itself, right? Right. And even

00:29:16.299 --> 00:29:18.880
then, like, usually they're not doing work on

00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.980
the tower. It's just the actual light itself.

00:29:21.259 --> 00:29:24.009
Yeah, the beacon or the. Yeah. And if the light

00:29:24.009 --> 00:29:26.650
becomes too dangerous to access, then they just

00:29:26.650 --> 00:29:29.589
put a light off the coast. And that's usually

00:29:29.589 --> 00:29:34.109
the end of the lighthouse. Ohio couple Dawn and

00:29:34.109 --> 00:29:36.450
Nellie Ross saw the abandoned lighthouse traveling

00:29:36.450 --> 00:29:40.549
in 1988 and were immediately taken with it. And

00:29:40.549 --> 00:29:44.369
they immediately moved to the Upper Peninsula

00:29:44.369 --> 00:29:46.950
and started the Chris Point Light Historical

00:29:46.950 --> 00:29:50.069
Society. So it was love at first sight. And we've

00:29:50.069 --> 00:29:53.549
got some... Serious action taken immediately,

00:29:53.869 --> 00:29:55.910
which we love those kind of people. Yeah. We

00:29:55.910 --> 00:29:58.609
need those people for our lighthouses. The Coast

00:29:58.609 --> 00:30:01.049
Guard decommissioned the light in 1992, which

00:30:01.049 --> 00:30:03.809
made it really easy for the society to get a

00:30:03.809 --> 00:30:08.150
lease in 1994. Looks good. Here's a close to

00:30:08.150 --> 00:30:12.549
current photo. The service room has been rebuilt

00:30:12.549 --> 00:30:15.569
by this point and it's got a red roof. So I don't

00:30:15.569 --> 00:30:17.109
know if this was like before they had finished

00:30:17.109 --> 00:30:19.250
or something, because in this picture it's black.

00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.319
Since then, society rebuilt the service room

00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.019
and the Foghorn building and reestablished the

00:30:25.019 --> 00:30:27.740
light as a private guide to navigation. So I'm

00:30:27.740 --> 00:30:29.279
pretty sure that means the Coast Guard no longer

00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.319
has anything to do with it. Unofficial. Yeah.

00:30:32.059 --> 00:30:34.079
And what drew me into this lighthouse in the

00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.579
first place was its red cupola, even though the

00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:39.220
rest of the lantern room is black. Yeah. And

00:30:39.220 --> 00:30:42.200
I can't find if it's always been red or if it

00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.019
was added later because I was looking at some

00:30:45.019 --> 00:30:48.000
pictures of it when it was. really decrepit like

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.339
before they formed the society and everything

00:30:50.339 --> 00:30:54.559
the 80s maybe yeah and it i was like oh the cupola

00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.200
is black but then i zoomed in and i'm like kind

00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.740
of got a red tint to it so it was never mentioned

00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:05.039
before this and i so there's no tracking of when

00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.539
this got a red cupola it might have been from

00:31:07.539 --> 00:31:10.619
the beginning but it's i don't i don't think

00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:13.579
we've seen anything like that so no red cupola

00:31:13.579 --> 00:31:18.039
black lantern body lantern room And rails. And

00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.619
then we've seen this a couple times, but I really

00:31:20.619 --> 00:31:23.660
like the flared. Yeah, the flared top. Actual

00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:28.359
tower. Pretty cool. It's nice that they've taken

00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:30.500
care of it. Someone's taken care of it this whole

00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:34.740
time. And it's a classic lighthouse. It's not

00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:37.220
like, oh, yeah, the lantern's on the ground over

00:31:37.220 --> 00:31:40.980
here. That's the tower. That happens. This is

00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:42.880
really nice. Right. So you said they painted

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.980
the roof red on the rebuilt. Oh, there you go.

00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.779
Pulled up another photo. Image. That's a little

00:31:49.779 --> 00:31:52.779
bit more current. But yeah, they painted the

00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:56.359
roof to match the cupola. It's just hard to tell

00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.980
with colors because the history goes back so

00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:03.599
far. And then when it gets close enough for good

00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.859
documentation, it's old. And so you're like,

00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.180
what did it look like in its heyday when everything

00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:13.369
was in black and white or sepia? Yeah. Yeah,

00:32:13.430 --> 00:32:15.950
you can't always, especially color photos. The

00:32:15.950 --> 00:32:19.029
erosion plan has changed. Looks like they do

00:32:19.029 --> 00:32:21.789
some riprap. Yeah, but see how close it is? Yeah,

00:32:21.829 --> 00:32:24.710
there's not much land left. Before we had this

00:32:24.710 --> 00:32:27.230
little outcropping, and sure enough, it's...

00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:29.630
You don't think it's been moved, right? That

00:32:29.630 --> 00:32:31.529
wasn't in the history? No, it hasn't. That's

00:32:31.529 --> 00:32:33.630
a big deal. I would love to hear from someone

00:32:33.630 --> 00:32:38.410
in the area about that nature preserve. Oh, wildlife

00:32:38.410 --> 00:32:40.309
preserve. Wildlife preserve. Because those are

00:32:40.309 --> 00:32:44.160
different than... I listen to a podcast, National

00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:49.240
Forests and Wilderness. Like what the terminology

00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.220
is for all of that. But up here, I bet you there's

00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:56.440
some really wild stuff because not only is it

00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.640
a preserve that appears large, but it's north

00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.299
and on the lake. Yeah. So it can support different

00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:06.720
wildlife. Yeah. And on top of that, people don't

00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.839
stick around in the winter. So things probably

00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.849
take over a lot easily there. Really cool. So

00:33:12.849 --> 00:33:14.950
beautiful. Really nice. I wondered, uh, there

00:33:14.950 --> 00:33:16.869
must be a road out there today. Yeah. There's

00:33:16.869 --> 00:33:19.410
one road, which they put on their website, the

00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:22.630
Chris point, um, historical society. They have

00:33:22.630 --> 00:33:25.349
on their website that it's like you, you can

00:33:25.349 --> 00:33:28.369
drive, but then in the winter, this is a snowmobile

00:33:28.369 --> 00:33:31.390
route. Number eight and no driving when there's

00:33:31.390 --> 00:33:33.890
snow. So just a whole nother world that we're

00:33:33.890 --> 00:33:36.049
part of. I was going to say it'd be a fantastic

00:33:36.049 --> 00:33:38.829
motorcycle ride. I bet. Oh yeah. On a, on an

00:33:38.829 --> 00:33:41.150
altering lots of trees and not a Harley, but.

00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:44.559
I bet you come by lots of bears. Or moose. I

00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:50.619
bet so. Meese. Moose. Moose is plural and singular,

00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.440
right? I think so, yeah. It's like deer. Yeah.

00:33:53.859 --> 00:33:58.359
Catch any deers? Yeah. This is really pretty.

00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.220
Yeah. Nowadays, you can visit the lighthouse

00:34:00.220 --> 00:34:02.940
between 10 a .m. and 6 p .m. any time of year

00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:06.279
besides the winter, obviously. Right now, they're

00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.440
doing an internal restoration. So they're closed

00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.920
Monday through Thursdays, but still open on the

00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.119
weekends. Nice. Come give it a look. There must

00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.239
be a town not far away. Maybe several, you know.

00:34:20.500 --> 00:34:23.079
Yeah. It must be more accessible if people are

00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:24.739
volunteering out there and keeping it running.

00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:27.559
That's true. That's awesome. Good for them. Some

00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.539
access. I saw they sent out a newsletter. I don't

00:34:31.539 --> 00:34:34.099
know how often it is, but. the lighthouse sent

00:34:34.099 --> 00:34:36.480
out a newsletter that had like stuff that happened.

00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:39.079
So it must be like annual or something, but it

00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.260
was the one that I saw was 2023 and it was called

00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:43.719
the crispy beacon. And then it said underneath,

00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:50.800
I like my beacon crispy. Chris point died laughing.

00:34:50.900 --> 00:34:53.300
I was like the crispy beacon. I like my beacon.

00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.119
I mean, I would play into it too. Christopher

00:34:56.119 --> 00:35:00.679
crisp. So Chris cakes. Yeah. Crispy beacons.

00:35:02.030 --> 00:35:03.889
It's a cute name for a lighthouse. Really cool.

00:35:04.050 --> 00:35:06.170
I don't know that we've ever had that description

00:35:06.170 --> 00:35:10.710
either of a private aid to navigation. I think

00:35:10.710 --> 00:35:12.949
that's cool. We talked about it. We talked about

00:35:12.949 --> 00:35:15.809
that briefly at the very beginning of our podcast

00:35:15.809 --> 00:35:17.130
where I was like, what's the difference between

00:35:17.130 --> 00:35:20.969
a private and a public aid to navigation? And

00:35:20.969 --> 00:35:22.429
now we know. But at the time, I didn't know.

00:35:22.530 --> 00:35:24.730
We needed somebody like Ralph in our emails telling

00:35:24.730 --> 00:35:28.789
us the answers to all of our brain fart questions.

00:35:29.429 --> 00:35:32.599
Is it Krugler? Yeah. Thank you, Ralph Krugler.

00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.199
For always being our spout of information, which

00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:37.679
is nice because there's a lot of times that I

00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.059
research history buoys and I'm like, by the time

00:35:41.059 --> 00:35:44.300
we have to record, I won't be able to find who

00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:47.719
I need to ask to like really clarify. I'm like,

00:35:47.780 --> 00:35:49.440
I want to know everything. So it's hard because

00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.519
I'm like, who's the expert on this that I could

00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.380
hunt down that's like, tell me everything there

00:35:53.380 --> 00:35:55.340
is to know about the light list or, you know,

00:35:55.340 --> 00:35:57.940
whatever. It's nice to have people listening

00:35:57.940 --> 00:36:00.699
that are also knowledgeable on the subject and

00:36:00.699 --> 00:36:02.760
can point us in the right direction sometimes.

00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.940
Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's Chris Point

00:36:06.940 --> 00:36:10.320
Lighthouse. It's Vince's 30th birthday tomorrow,

00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.360
everybody. You better hit the little clapping.

00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:21.300
The end of your 20s. This is your last day in

00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:24.820
the 20s, which I've heard the 30s are the best

00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:28.820
decade. Will be the best decade yet. I am looking

00:36:28.820 --> 00:36:33.019
forward to my 30s. Okay. It's funny thinking

00:36:33.019 --> 00:36:37.199
about my 20s. Like 20 was so long ago. And then

00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.599
thinking, you know, that period of time. And

00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.360
the one before that was 10 to 20. Yeah. Which

00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.019
that is what concerns me. Because like 10 to

00:36:47.019 --> 00:36:50.480
20. What can change in these 10 years? Way longer.

00:36:50.579 --> 00:36:56.559
Way longer than 20 to 30 would be. I am hopeful

00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:58.940
that life will bring a lot of fun things, 30

00:36:58.940 --> 00:37:03.380
to 40. I'll keep you on your toes. Lighthouse

00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:07.219
hose. You know, I heard a, no, don't go too far.

00:37:07.300 --> 00:37:09.420
This, I don't want to keep, this is supposed

00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:12.199
to be short. Well, I'll just keep it to myself

00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.920
then. We all, we appreciate you. And I'll let

00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.280
Emily close us down. Everybody check out our

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