The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 085 - Brian Shapiro

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And we are live, Mr. Gracey Show 85. What's going

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on? Hey, hey. Remember a few years back, this

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was racist. Why, though? I don't know. OK. The

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left deemed it racist, so. OK. Oh, maybe three

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case KKK. I don't know. No. Hey, now there is

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the OK symbol was racist for a little while.

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I think it's OK now to do it. Yes. The heart

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is now for for terrorists as they do. Yeah, as

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they do. You brought up something crazy before

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this, Chad, that I wanted to get back into. Yeah.

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So there's this Georgia couple, two gay men.

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And that's not really the point of the story,

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but they adopted two special needs young boys.

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I don't know exact ages, but definitely under

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11. And they ended up raping them and, and basically

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having their friends come over and rape them

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the fuck man. And I'm like, Yeah, she's so they

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just got sentenced to a hundred years in Georgia

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a hundred years hopefully in general Population

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where they can pick the part fucking limb by

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limb. What the fuck they're gonna have fun Six

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sons of bitches not that I want to like get into

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these disgusting Details, but like how old were

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these kids and how long have this been going

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on for? says in the article Jesus, man. And yeah,

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I mean, like you said, it just happened to be

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a fact that they were two gay men and not that

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it was any added to the story, any different,

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but just stating the facts here. Yes. You got

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to wonder, man, like that's so crazy. You know,

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you thought like the adoption process, you know,

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would would have a lot more checks and balances

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like to it. But again, if these people who adopted

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like don't have anything in their background

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or anything like that, how would you how would

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you know? I'm sure there's I'm sure this happened

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with hetero couples as well. For sure. No, 100

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percent. Do that, too. But anybody that fucking

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does is the children. I just disgust me to no

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end. So, yeah, I'm kids. I'm just saying, like,

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there's like and I guess they're trying to make

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it like because there's so many kids that want

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to be adopted and they're trying to make the

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process a little bit easier. But you should have

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to do like even if you have no criminal record,

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none of this, you should have to go through psyche

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valves like to see if you could adopt a kid.

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Yeah, I think the process is pretty stringent,

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generally, but it seems, you know, sometimes

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the sicko slips through the cracks or they can,

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or they can lie their way through it. Who knows?

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But it's just, you know, it's, I think it's in

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a lot of states, it's probably hard enough for

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a gay couple to adopt. And I'm sure there's lots

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of loving gay couples out there that want to

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have children, adopt children and treat them

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very well and give them great lives. But this

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just makes it harder. You know, it's sad. Yeah,

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it's ridiculous. Fucking sad, man. And not only

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were they doing it themselves, they were basically

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selling them to other people. It's poor, innocent

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children, dude. It's fucking insane. Do you know

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how they got, like, winded this and how they

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got caught? I'm not sure how they got caught.

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I'm not sure. Oh, man. It's like, hopefully fucking...

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I don't know. Maybe Bobby can pull up some articles

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on it. You would think. You would totally think.

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But let me I want to go to this because this

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is this is funny so to get off this crazy Little

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topic we have here. I want to play just a little

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bit of this because I just this was fun back

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in the day Where is he? Screen share there we

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go. All righty then This is hysterical Chad.

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Do you remember these these calls? Oh Mel Gibson

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He's nuts hey Women can do this to you. I was

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just gonna say that he's not nuts I'm sure he

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is but like women can fucking drive you off a

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fucking cliff 100 I've had conversations that

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if we're recorded I'd sound like a fucking complete

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piece of shit, too Like you just drove me nuts.

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I'm just like what the fuck is going on? Yes,

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and the beauty of this is is she's so Calculated

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dude because she says just enough and like the

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little word she says to fucking set him off Yes,

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and she's doing it sweetly, but now what do you

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mean? It's so fucking great Not that I condone

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that but it's you can see how it happens. Yes,

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I Don't condone you there, but funny But now,

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what do you mean? I'm just trying to love you.

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Yeah. Fuck you, you cunt motherfucker. I'll be

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right. She's probably the gold digging bitch

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sucking his money and like just using him for

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that. Yes. I don't know what her name. Anybody

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know her name? Oksana. Oh, yeah, she was like

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some Russian chick. Oh, yeah. This was definitely

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this was her M .O. I think she was with other

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celebrities before. I think the unfortunate part

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was as he had a daughter with her and it got

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this far before he realized. And that's when

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she was like, yes, payday daughter with him.

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Boom. Pregnant. Yep. Oh, yeah. And this went

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on for a fucking while. And then I don't know

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if it was before this or after this, but she

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was just adding on like, remember, he got caught

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with the DUI and he was like ranting about the

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Jews and fuck. God bless this guy. It's it's

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hip now to do that. Yeah, all the kids are doing

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it. I Just want to play one more part where he

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tells her to smile and blow him I don't know

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if we're gonna be able to get there. It's eight

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minutes, but hopefully it's something quick Because

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somebody who loves does not behave this way.

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I do not... Are you on a second? One second.

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One second, please. Can I please... No. No. I'm

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sorry. Oh, man, I feel so bad for him. He hates

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her and he's given her one more chance. He's

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like, it's like he knows what's going to happen,

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but he's trying to, like, get her under his control

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and back under his spell. And I think that's

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what fucked up his daughter's sake. Well, was

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it that or I don't know? I kind of see both edges

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here. It seems like I don't know. Either he wanted

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her back one last time to get her under the thumb

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show. He had the control. And he didn't get fucked

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over like he thinks he is in his mind. You know,

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narcissism there for sure. Yes. Yes. And it's

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fucking Mel Gibson. He's never had to deal with

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this before in his life. He's been, you know,

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at the upper hand in every relationship, probably

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since the beginning of time. Oh, yeah. Well,

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so it's a lot of our deal is no fucking Gibson.

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Exactly. Bobby says he has the article for the

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bring it up by a couple down there in Georgia.

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Those lovely people. Lovely, lovely. You doing

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that, Bobby? I got no share. There we go. And

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go. And go. Alrighty then. Couple charged. Let

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me get that. If I could just read that. Couple

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charged with molesting their adopted sons and

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pimping them out. My goodness. Those are hard

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words to read. So a local pedophile ring, dude.

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How many of these fucking rings are in our country,

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man? Oh, there's lots, unfortunately. Like how,

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bro? Like, I don't understand how these people

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aren't under a fucking rock. Like, I just don't

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understand how there could be so much of this

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going on. They've been renamed minor attractive

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persons, so, you know, it's all good. Yeah, but

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that seems to be out the fucking window now.

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Dude, look at this. A month's long investigation

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by Town Hall revealed. So these fucking poor

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officers had to like investigate this and see

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this horrible shit going on for a month before

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they could step in and do shit, bro. Yeah. Yes,

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exactly. Let it continue. And look who it is,

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Chad. A government worker and a banker are these

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two scumbags it's seen. Right. Mm hmm. A government

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worker. Restrictable people. Yeah. Yeah. What

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does he do for our government? Oh, 11 and nine

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years old they were. Jesus. God. I have 11 year

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old girls. I would fucking you would be in jail

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for murder. You are the red rums and motherfuckers,

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man. Yeah. I just wanted the rest of the article,

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not the. All right, nobody. Bobby, if you could

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just find out right in chat like how long these.

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guys had this they adopted them for and all that.

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I said execute their asses, but they will they'll

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be dealt with in prison. Yeah, that's the one

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place where pedophiles are dealt with for in

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the way they should be. Yeah. I I forget what

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I was watching. They might start to take they

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might be taking these child molesters and like

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putting them in like solitary confinement because

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they were getting so like beat up and shit and

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like killed and murdered and raped and stuff

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like that. I'm not 100 percent on that, but I

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believe I heard that because it was it was so

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violent what was happening to them as it should

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be. But I think jails are getting in trouble.

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I have zero more. I have zero zero problem with

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them being killed in the most heinous way in

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prison. Fuck them. Correct. And anybody who is

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like. Trying to get them like an easier life

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to fuck you too. I have no remorse for you either.

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Something's wrong with your fucking shitty head.

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Yeah, exactly. What do you got here? Bob a boys

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were sexually abused since 2019. My God, dude,

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that's fucking six years of disgusting this for

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fucking kids that were looking to have a family.

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I got busted last year, so hopefully it was only

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I mean, whatever. It's still bullshit, but still

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sucks. Still, whatever. Five years for a long

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time. Yeah. Years, years. After receiving a cyber

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tip from the U .S. National Center for Missing

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and Exploited Children about suspected homemade

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child sexual abuse material, they were making

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material, too. That's a brazen... Oh, they were

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selling that, too. Yeah. Lovely. Police used

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the IP address from the Google account. Upload

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to the local physical address. Good police work,

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man. Good fucking police work. Good job, but

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look at that dude if they weren't so brazen enough

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to record this and put it on the internet, dude

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They wouldn't have never been found out Like

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that's fuck. Well, yeah, and how many cases are

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out there right now where the people aren't doing

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that and they're fucking abusing Right, right

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Yeah Are we hearing anything with fucking Diddy

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or is this falling by the wayside is like Epstein

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to a question? I don't know. I haven't heard

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much lately It's amazing how the wheels of justice

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turn slowly, so you'll see. Yeah. The wheels

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of justice. I just hope that in the end, if they

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don't get it here on Earth, they get it fucking

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in the end. Jafiel, my mom just said, hang them

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in the square. So, yeah, baby, by their nutsack

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to fucking cog and balls. Bobby, before we bring

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up our guests, can you want to show that Lilies

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of David poster? Liz Lilies of David has a show

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coming up, I believe on the 26th of April. It

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is at the Celebrity Theater in Atlantic City.

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They are the headliners. There's some other bands,

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Smoother Nature, Alice and Stella, Aaron and

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Eve. But go check it out. They got an invite

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event, right? page link will post in the description,

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but I will be there square. Nice. Yeah, maybe

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that's be a fun night. What else? What else?

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We do have our next guest coming on who is a

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longtime live fan. He is also the host of Pushing

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the Limits radio show out of Las Vegas. Mr. Brian

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Shapiro. What up? What's up, Brian? Great to

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see you guys. What's up, Chad? It's nice to get

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away from politics and just to be able to say

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hello to one of my favorite drummers from my

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favorite band since I was a kid. So I appreciate

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you guys having me on. Absolutely. It's our pleasure

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and thank you for coming on. Yeah. Man, you guys

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are talking about some deep stuff, huh? Wow.

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We don't play. We get into the subject sometimes.

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Yeah, man. That's a terrible story. But, uh,

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well, how you guys doing, man? It's good to see

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you guys. Cold in New Jersey. I will say that

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man. It was decent last week and now it's dropping.

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So it's warm here in Vegas. Oh man. I don't want

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to make you jealous, Chad. It's like 70, it was

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like 75 degrees yesterday. I was hanging out

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by the pool, man. It's I'm not jealous. I'm in

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California. It's like 81 here. I'm trying to

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remember where I've seen you guys in Vegas. I

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saw you guys at the Palazzo when you guys were

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together. Uh, I, um, I saw you guys, God, where

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I saw you guys at the last time I saw you guys

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together was at the, I think when it was the

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hard rock. Now it's the Virgin. I saw you guys

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there. Yes. Yeah. The hard rock became the Virgin.

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Does anybody, uh, the hard cock became the Virgin.

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Uh, yeah, that was when you guys toured with

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Bush, I want to say. Yeah, that's the last time

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we played. Yeah, man. That was Vegas. Yes. That's

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a funny story. I went backstage after the show

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and wanted to say hello to Ed. You guys were

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long gone. Maybe I shouldn't say this, but there

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was a woman sitting on his lap and he was the

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only one back. It wasn't his wife. He was the

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only one back there. And I went back there. He

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shoots right up and we were talking for like

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15 minutes, but I'm just so. Yeah. I'm just so

00:15:25.429 --> 00:15:27.509
disappointed. I wish you guys were back together,

00:15:27.610 --> 00:15:31.210
man. It just, um, you know, it sucks, but all

00:15:31.210 --> 00:15:33.909
I can say is from an outsider looking in 10 years

00:15:33.909 --> 00:15:36.029
ago, I read that Ed wanted that a hundred thousand

00:15:36.029 --> 00:15:39.470
dollar bonus. Um, I don't know if that's true

00:15:39.470 --> 00:15:42.330
or not. Yeah. And then I'm, and then I heard

00:15:42.330 --> 00:15:44.429
that he sold the rights to catalog. I don't know

00:15:44.429 --> 00:15:47.009
if that's true or not. Like to some of your music.

00:15:47.090 --> 00:15:50.070
Was that true? No, he didn't. No, no, no. Okay.

00:15:50.110 --> 00:15:52.950
Patrick and I did a publishing deal for our stuff.

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Yeah. So I hear that Chad 10 years ago and I'm

00:15:55.169 --> 00:15:57.269
like, man, Ed sounds like a douche bag, right?

00:15:57.570 --> 00:15:59.830
And all the times I've met him, he was always

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cool. And then I hear this stuff about Chad Taylor

00:16:01.970 --> 00:16:03.889
and I read the Rolling Stone article and I'm

00:16:03.889 --> 00:16:06.350
like, fuck, you seem like the only normal one

00:16:06.350 --> 00:16:10.049
in the band. Like it's like, I try to be. Yeah.

00:16:10.629 --> 00:16:12.889
Well, I mean, like, you know, it's, it's the

00:16:12.889 --> 00:16:16.090
classic lead singer, lead guitar rift that happens

00:16:16.090 --> 00:16:18.250
in a lot of bands, Rolling Stones. I mean, there's,

00:16:18.250 --> 00:16:21.460
there's, it's just, endless the what is it Guns

00:16:21.460 --> 00:16:24.840
N' Roses like you know those are the two guys

00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:27.919
that are usually have a lot of ego they're very

00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.659
generally very alpha it's just they're that that

00:16:30.659 --> 00:16:33.179
person is attracted to those positions in the

00:16:33.179 --> 00:16:36.779
band and so they're always fighting for the limelight

00:16:36.779 --> 00:16:39.000
and the spotlight and saying I wrote this and

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I wrote that and blah blah blah but uh it's it

00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.080
it's wild to look back on it and yeah it's it's

00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.519
seeming that it's been more Ed, through all this,

00:16:50.659 --> 00:16:53.200
then Chad, tell you the truth. Interesting. Okay.

00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.059
I didn't, that doesn't surprise me. Interesting.

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The more I uncover, the more I find out. And

00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:59.659
it's like, okay. That's too bad. That's, that's

00:16:59.659 --> 00:17:02.000
too bad. You know, who knows? Maybe, maybe one

00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.220
day you guys get back on stage together, but,

00:17:04.220 --> 00:17:07.440
um, Rock and roll hall of fame. Rock and roll

00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.589
hall of fame, baby. I saw Ed in California. I

00:17:10.589 --> 00:17:12.250
want to say maybe seven or eight months ago with

00:17:12.250 --> 00:17:14.109
his with his new bandmates. And look, he put

00:17:14.109 --> 00:17:16.950
on a good show. He always does. But the best

00:17:16.950 --> 00:17:18.569
show I ever saw was when you guys were on your

00:17:18.569 --> 00:17:20.289
throwing copper tour. I'll give you the quick

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one minute story. You know, first song I heard

00:17:21.930 --> 00:17:24.750
was selling the drama. I was probably 14 or 15

00:17:24.750 --> 00:17:26.890
years old. I immediately fell in love with that

00:17:26.890 --> 00:17:30.349
song. Um, saw you guys MTV unplugged, which was

00:17:30.349 --> 00:17:32.450
just incredible. And then I saw you guys in Hartford,

00:17:32.450 --> 00:17:34.470
Connecticut at the Meadows music theater. I'm

00:17:34.470 --> 00:17:36.529
a stupid 15, 16 year old kid. I hadn't been to

00:17:36.529 --> 00:17:38.630
many shows to this day. It's the best show I've

00:17:38.630 --> 00:17:40.730
ever seen. I've seen thousands of shows. Then

00:17:40.730 --> 00:17:42.670
I discovered mental jewelry. Then I discovered

00:17:42.670 --> 00:17:46.109
death of a dictionary, um, throwing copper is

00:17:46.109 --> 00:17:47.789
probably the only album I could listen to front

00:17:47.789 --> 00:17:50.730
to back just because I have horrible ADHD. So,

00:17:51.049 --> 00:17:53.470
but throwing copper. And then I'll always remember

00:17:53.470 --> 00:17:55.670
this Chad, because we're both kind of old, but

00:17:55.670 --> 00:17:58.430
I bought the cassette tape. of Secret Samadhi.

00:17:58.529 --> 00:18:01.069
I took the day off from school, the day that

00:18:01.069 --> 00:18:03.170
the album came out. Now it wasn't like today

00:18:03.170 --> 00:18:05.170
where you can hear every song on the album before

00:18:05.170 --> 00:18:07.529
an album comes out, right? So I took the day

00:18:07.529 --> 00:18:11.569
off. I had my Walkman, Chad, and with me, remember

00:18:11.569 --> 00:18:14.970
those? The yellow Walkmans, right? And Secret

00:18:14.970 --> 00:18:18.650
Samadhi. Yeah, exactly. Secret Samadhi had come

00:18:18.650 --> 00:18:20.150
out. I literally took the day off from school

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because I was so excited. And I remember Rattlesnake,

00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:25.980
loved the song right away. Uh, and Likini's juice

00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:28.640
is, I think you and I have this in common. I

00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:29.960
think, correct me if I'm wrong, the favorite

00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:32.160
songs that you like to play white discussion

00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.279
and Likini's juice. Are those two, two of your

00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.779
favorites or those are like two of my favorite

00:18:37.779 --> 00:18:40.559
songs. So we always had that in common, but to

00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.859
lick Likini's juice, I just, I missed the fact

00:18:42.859 --> 00:18:44.799
that when you guys started playing songs and

00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.099
they kind of built, you had a lot of those on

00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:50.200
copper, right? Dammit out or Creek. And was that

00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.200
intentional that you guys get away from that?

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Or was that like an ed thing? As we like for

00:18:57.970 --> 00:19:00.049
the first four records we what we would do is

00:19:00.049 --> 00:19:02.349
we get in a room and play and play together and

00:19:02.349 --> 00:19:05.210
figure out songs and jam them out and and mold

00:19:05.210 --> 00:19:08.130
them in the room together and We stopped doing

00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:12.630
that Mostly it was we did a little bit for distance

00:19:12.630 --> 00:19:15.509
to hear But then after that and then came to

00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:17.089
Chad and said he don't want to write with this

00:19:17.089 --> 00:19:21.670
with him anymore So I think a lot of Chad's guitar

00:19:21.670 --> 00:19:24.839
parts influenced how we would build into like

00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:29.240
big choruses and small, you know, lower verses,

00:19:29.380 --> 00:19:32.839
big choruses. I think that was more of a Chad

00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.019
thing. So, I mean, we did, you know, we did the

00:19:37.019 --> 00:19:39.079
Gracious Few. I don't know if you listened to

00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.400
that record, but we kind of went back to that

00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:43.559
a little bit because we were again allowed to

00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:45.740
get in a room and Kevin Martin was all about

00:19:45.740 --> 00:19:47.400
it. And we just got in a room and figured out

00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.779
songs. And that's just, I think, naturally the

00:19:49.779 --> 00:19:52.259
way the three of us, Patrick, Chad and I like

00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:55.349
to hear songs. I love songs like that that just

00:19:55.349 --> 00:19:59.890
start small, get big, maybe have a cool bridge

00:19:59.890 --> 00:20:06.549
in there. It's funny because the first record

00:20:06.549 --> 00:20:09.410
we made after Distance of Heroes called Five

00:20:09.410 --> 00:20:12.869
and Ed was living in LA and I was down there

00:20:12.869 --> 00:20:16.210
hanging out. We started recording that record

00:20:16.210 --> 00:20:18.410
kind of before Chad and Patrick came in, but

00:20:18.410 --> 00:20:20.069
it was all just songs that Ed would bring in

00:20:20.069 --> 00:20:22.170
and he'd just like, oh, play to this. It's all

00:20:22.170 --> 00:20:24.170
kind of already finished the arrangement, the

00:20:24.170 --> 00:20:28.009
structure. Yeah, it wasn't a huge. Yeah, it wasn't

00:20:28.009 --> 00:20:31.250
a huge five guy. The single you put out was OK,

00:20:31.349 --> 00:20:33.730
but it wasn't what distance to hear. I remember

00:20:33.730 --> 00:20:36.390
you guys played Woodstock and I had never heard

00:20:36.390 --> 00:20:38.390
where fishes go. And when you guys were opening

00:20:38.390 --> 00:20:40.349
with that song, I love that fucking song. You

00:20:40.349 --> 00:20:42.369
know, I always loved that song. I thought there

00:20:42.369 --> 00:20:44.509
were a lot of good songs on the distance to hear.

00:20:45.210 --> 00:20:47.250
Yeah, I was I was disappointed with five a little

00:20:47.250 --> 00:20:49.289
bit. Listen, I don't like Ed Solo stuff. I'm

00:20:49.289 --> 00:20:51.289
going to be completely honest with you. I don't

00:20:51.289 --> 00:20:54.430
I don't think it's very good. I think it's too

00:20:54.430 --> 00:20:56.970
poppy and it's not edgy. I mean, Secret Samadhi

00:20:56.970 --> 00:21:00.069
and Copper were just unbelievable albums from

00:21:00.069 --> 00:21:03.359
front to back. Every song and. I can tell right

00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.000
away when I resonate with something and listen,

00:21:05.180 --> 00:21:06.799
mental jewelry was great, too. I mean, there's

00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.539
so many great songs on that album, too. And they

00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:12.940
were produced albums that like they weren't overproduced

00:21:12.940 --> 00:21:15.400
albums. You could hear the musicianship going

00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.559
on in the room was all that was basically needed

00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.519
in those albums. And then, you know, Ed stuff

00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:24.299
and five and all that started to get like to

00:21:24.299 --> 00:21:26.960
overproduced and wacky. Yeah. Well, forever.

00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.740
You know, for the first four records, I was kind

00:21:29.740 --> 00:21:32.380
of the guy that would be like. I don't like that

00:21:32.380 --> 00:21:36.220
idea and I don't want to play it. Every song

00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:39.279
that's on all those records, every one of those

00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:43.039
songs, at some point gave me chills playing them.

00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:46.579
And I think that was for the collective too,

00:21:46.579 --> 00:21:49.319
for everybody. Because when there was a song

00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:50.740
that gave us all four chills, we were like, boom,

00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:53.799
that's a hit. That song goes on the record. But

00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.460
then I kind of like, because I was the only guy

00:21:57.460 --> 00:21:59.220
going, I don't want to play that song, I don't

00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:01.819
feel anything. that would piss off Ed and then

00:22:01.819 --> 00:22:03.559
everyone would get pissed at me because I'm fucking

00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.420
the vibe up and I'm just like, you know, I don't

00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:07.980
like it. What do you want me to do? Yeah. And

00:22:07.980 --> 00:22:10.420
so I stopped doing that. And just after this

00:22:10.420 --> 00:22:11.779
is here, I was like, I don't want to be the dick

00:22:11.779 --> 00:22:15.559
anymore. Yeah. So I felt like he was fighting

00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.299
the world in his own band, you know, for. Yeah,

00:22:18.819 --> 00:22:20.799
I like the fact that you did that. It's unfortunate.

00:22:21.950 --> 00:22:23.789
That it turned out the way it did. I always wanted

00:22:23.789 --> 00:22:25.549
to ask you this the end of lightning crashes

00:22:25.549 --> 00:22:27.529
when somebody's harmonizing with that I always

00:22:27.529 --> 00:22:29.349
wondered if that was your voice. No, I didn't

00:22:29.349 --> 00:22:34.950
think back Yeah So, oh interesting so that was

00:22:34.950 --> 00:22:38.630
his own voice. Okay, I didn't Yeah, that's the

00:22:38.630 --> 00:22:40.410
hidden track on throwing copper the high part.

00:22:40.410 --> 00:22:44.710
That's me Right saying oh cool. I sang I just

00:22:44.710 --> 00:22:46.650
sang on a lot of songs like especially on mental

00:22:46.650 --> 00:22:49.730
jewelry someone throwing copper and Mental jewelry

00:22:49.730 --> 00:22:52.240
I was doing both backups while I was playing

00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.799
and at some point during that I was like wow

00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:57.640
I don't want like I can't do this I'm I'm doing

00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:01.380
too much here I'm not gonna sing yeah no I don't

00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:03.839
blame you yeah I always wanted to know because

00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:05.579
I love the the harmonizing on the end of lightning

00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:07.299
crash you know it's interesting I talk to people

00:23:07.299 --> 00:23:10.420
you know I'm 44 years old even people my own

00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:12.039
age or people a little younger I say you know

00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.000
my favorite band growing up was live and then

00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.180
sometimes they'll look at me especially if they're

00:23:16.180 --> 00:23:18.569
younger Do I know that band? And then I'll start

00:23:18.569 --> 00:23:21.349
singing I Alone or Lightning Crashes. And they're

00:23:21.349 --> 00:23:23.289
like, oh, I know that song. Oh, I know that song.

00:23:23.349 --> 00:23:25.250
Like I always felt like you guys were that band

00:23:25.250 --> 00:23:27.589
that were so I mean, you guys sold a ton of albums,

00:23:27.609 --> 00:23:29.529
but I felt like you were underrated in the sense

00:23:29.529 --> 00:23:31.990
maybe the name live was a little confusing. I

00:23:31.990 --> 00:23:35.250
don't know. But you guys had so many songs on

00:23:35.250 --> 00:23:37.990
the radio that people remember. The name is hard,

00:23:38.009 --> 00:23:41.970
but also so we had the guy who was the president

00:23:41.970 --> 00:23:43.890
of our record company called Radioactive, which

00:23:43.890 --> 00:23:47.430
was a subsidiary of Universal. Was named Barry

00:23:47.430 --> 00:23:49.690
Kerf first and he was a legendary manager He's

00:23:49.690 --> 00:23:51.750
managed blondie and jane's addiction and the

00:23:51.750 --> 00:23:53.890
talking heads and the ramones and like all these

00:23:53.890 --> 00:23:56.849
bands, right? But he started record label and

00:23:56.849 --> 00:23:59.750
we were kind of one of his big first sign signing

00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:02.730
bands and he Kind of shepherded us through the

00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:06.329
whole process and was our mentor But what he

00:24:06.329 --> 00:24:08.529
didn't like is he didn't like the press. He fucking

00:24:08.529 --> 00:24:11.109
hated the press He was like they need you more

00:24:11.109 --> 00:24:13.430
than you need them you and as throwing copper

00:24:13.430 --> 00:24:17.000
was blowing up. We did a spin cover But we would

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.140
never do the cover of Rolling Stone because he

00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:21.700
didn't want us to until we were voted artist

00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:25.039
of the year, I think in 95, five became the 96.

00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:27.779
But but yeah. And then and then he was like,

00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:29.359
now you're doing it because you've been voted

00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:33.539
by the public. But we didn't do as much press,

00:24:33.539 --> 00:24:35.980
I think, as as our contemporaries. Like it just

00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:39.279
seemed like Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden,

00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:41.119
Nirvana. They would just do everything, you know.

00:24:42.460 --> 00:24:45.759
And not that they were doing it just just to

00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.339
do it, but like it was part of the process. So

00:24:48.339 --> 00:24:51.000
to me, that's kind of one of the reasons why

00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.400
we just don't have the name recognition as some

00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:56.660
of our contemporaries. Because I deal with the

00:24:56.660 --> 00:24:57.880
same thing in my private life. I'm like, yeah,

00:24:57.940 --> 00:25:00.079
I played drums in this band live. And people

00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:01.619
are like, I don't really know that. I'm like,

00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:03.559
oh, here, listen to this song. I'm like, oh,

00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.339
I know that one. Like, yeah, that's me. It's

00:25:07.339 --> 00:25:08.920
got to be a little annoying, right? It's got

00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.879
to be a little annoying. But I mean. Everybody

00:25:12.879 --> 00:25:15.140
within 20 years of us knows the song lightning

00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:17.839
crashes, like everybody. Like when you guys wrote,

00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:19.940
when Ed wrote that song and you used, you heard

00:25:19.940 --> 00:25:21.819
the melody for the first time, did you say to

00:25:21.819 --> 00:25:24.539
yourself, this is going to be a hit? Like what,

00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:26.079
what went through your mind when you heard that,

00:25:26.259 --> 00:25:29.019
like the guitar and the lyrics? Well, once it

00:25:29.019 --> 00:25:30.779
was assembled and we had all played through it

00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:33.200
a bunch of times, I kind of felt it would be

00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.359
a big song, but the beginning of the writing

00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:38.400
process was just that guitar riff. And then Ed

00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.799
went away and came back with the melody and.

00:25:40.750 --> 00:25:44.089
and eventually the lyrics. Because he would just

00:25:44.089 --> 00:25:46.589
scratch a melody while we were fucking around,

00:25:46.869 --> 00:25:49.549
figuring out the song. But once it was all put

00:25:49.549 --> 00:25:51.349
together, I was like, oh my god, this is big.

00:25:52.009 --> 00:25:56.049
And what's cool about that is we would start

00:25:56.049 --> 00:26:00.190
the song with drums. At some point in the pre

00:26:00.190 --> 00:26:01.990
-production process, I think it was Jerry Harrison

00:26:01.990 --> 00:26:05.349
was like, no, the drums will sit out. Don't start

00:26:05.349 --> 00:26:07.529
playing from the beginning. Oh, wow. That's huge

00:26:07.529 --> 00:26:09.970
because when the drums come in, it really like

00:26:09.970 --> 00:26:11.869
picks up the song and brings it to another level.

00:26:12.630 --> 00:26:14.349
So he kind of left it up to me where I would

00:26:14.349 --> 00:26:16.690
come in, but I was like, okay, well, let's well,

00:26:16.690 --> 00:26:19.289
he did say like, let the first first pass and

00:26:19.289 --> 00:26:23.369
go from there. So yeah, smart, smart grads. It's

00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:25.730
one of the because it's one it's my rest period.

00:26:26.630 --> 00:26:31.630
Yeah. I mean, that's that's got it's one of the

00:26:31.630 --> 00:26:33.829
biggest hits of the nineties period. I mean,

00:26:34.509 --> 00:26:37.099
hands down. And I remember Ed was talking about

00:26:37.099 --> 00:26:39.039
Likini's juice. Chad was just fucking around

00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.319
with his guitar and you guys were playing a show

00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:42.880
and you, I guess it was a rehearsal, right? And

00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.240
he just shouted out weird lyrics, but there's

00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.160
just something about that song that it just,

00:26:47.779 --> 00:26:50.099
it's probably my favorite song of all time. We

00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:53.859
wrote that song in Jamaica. We rented this house

00:26:53.859 --> 00:26:57.210
down there in Montego Bay. It was a big... Like

00:26:57.210 --> 00:26:59.509
giant mansion with like a staff and stuff. We're

00:26:59.509 --> 00:27:01.029
like, yeah fucking rock stars. Let's do this.

00:27:01.029 --> 00:27:04.630
Yeah, baby. So Chad was Chad brought that idea

00:27:04.630 --> 00:27:06.890
to to jamaica and that's where he started playing

00:27:06.890 --> 00:27:09.990
it the first time that I heard it and I remember

00:27:09.990 --> 00:27:12.369
hearing him we set up there was a master bedroom

00:27:12.369 --> 00:27:14.750
on the second floor and that's where we set up

00:27:14.750 --> 00:27:17.289
to write all the stuff and it was big enough

00:27:17.289 --> 00:27:20.349
to accommodate everybody and so I heard him playing

00:27:20.349 --> 00:27:23.130
that from downstairs Chad was up there fucking

00:27:23.130 --> 00:27:24.430
around he started playing that I was like what

00:27:24.430 --> 00:27:29.150
the fuck is that and But I don't I don't there's

00:27:29.150 --> 00:27:32.930
an interesting story about the lyrics more wine

00:27:32.930 --> 00:27:35.910
Apparently like I guess I was sitting out on

00:27:35.910 --> 00:27:38.109
the he had a microphone He was sitting out on

00:27:38.109 --> 00:27:40.750
the lounge chair on the on the the deck of that

00:27:40.750 --> 00:27:44.589
master bedroom. Oh, no, I'm to the butler Who

00:27:44.589 --> 00:27:46.789
was this guy named Trevor who had been the butler

00:27:46.789 --> 00:27:49.190
for like for like the Queen of England and stuff

00:27:49.190 --> 00:27:51.130
so he was he was always carrying around a tray

00:27:51.130 --> 00:27:53.150
of rum punch and shit, but he was yelling to

00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:56.640
The Trevor more wine. Because I got to have it.

00:27:56.660 --> 00:28:00.460
Come on. What's what's up with the more skin?

00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:02.839
Because I got to eat it. I don't know. Then he

00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:06.259
loses. Yeah. He was going to eat Chad Taylor.

00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.059
And then and then it's weird how he would like

00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:12.680
add lyrics in concerts like burn my eyes so I

00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.099
can see. I never really understood that when

00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:17.160
he when he like added certain weird lyrics on

00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.769
stick. I don't know either. His eyes were like

00:28:19.769 --> 00:28:22.950
a phoenix rising from the ashes. They burnt out

00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:25.549
and became new. I do this with lots of songs.

00:28:25.710 --> 00:28:27.390
I don't pay attention to lyrics. I listen to

00:28:27.390 --> 00:28:29.869
melody and especially live because that's what

00:28:29.869 --> 00:28:32.289
I would key off of. But yeah, go ahead. So you

00:28:32.289 --> 00:28:34.410
just you don't even talk to these guys anymore.

00:28:34.450 --> 00:28:36.250
You guys don't even talk to each other anymore.

00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:39.170
I'm having preliminary conversations with Chad

00:28:39.170 --> 00:28:43.130
about some things, but yeah. Well, that's good.

00:28:43.309 --> 00:28:45.369
I mean, that's a start, I guess. Right. But.

00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:50.240
Would you say Ed is an ego maniac? 100%. 100%.

00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:53.140
Was he always, Chad, or did it grow? No, he wasn't

00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:58.500
always, but it became worse and worse. When do

00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:00.519
you think that started, where you guys started

00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.160
to have some fric... I mean, I'm not talking

00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.059
about just a regular argument between friends,

00:29:04.059 --> 00:29:06.400
we all do that. I'm like, when did you start

00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.900
to realize, Chad, that, okay, this is a problem,

00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:11.799
it's affecting our relationship, and this could

00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.059
be a problem down the road? When did that start?

00:29:15.529 --> 00:29:18.109
Me seeing it as a problem probably sometime in

00:29:18.109 --> 00:29:22.569
like 99 2000 When when he came to Chad and said

00:29:22.569 --> 00:29:25.029
he wasn't gonna write to his ideas anymore. I'm

00:29:25.029 --> 00:29:28.390
like, that's probably not great And then just

00:29:28.390 --> 00:29:30.970
that whole time period from 2000 to 2009 when

00:29:30.970 --> 00:29:33.390
we broke up the first time there was really no

00:29:33.390 --> 00:29:37.490
communication between Ed and the three of us

00:29:37.490 --> 00:29:39.329
I mean we'd see each other hang out and talk

00:29:39.329 --> 00:29:42.529
and stuff but like talking about anything Significant

00:29:42.529 --> 00:29:45.670
or serious about the band And that killed the

00:29:45.670 --> 00:29:47.890
distance to here, too, because the Chad Taylor

00:29:47.890 --> 00:29:50.269
songs from their change, don't wait and all that

00:29:50.269 --> 00:29:53.450
were fucking amazing. They were heavy. You guys

00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:56.849
were rocking and, you know, not saying that the

00:29:56.849 --> 00:29:58.869
distance here wasn't great, but there was a alternate

00:29:58.869 --> 00:30:01.589
version that was fucking rocking. Oh, for sure.

00:30:01.690 --> 00:30:07.130
Yeah. And that was kind of became Ed's. He decided

00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:11.210
to not include those songs on this here. For

00:30:11.210 --> 00:30:14.250
good or bad. Do you think that? Do you think

00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:17.029
that there's any chance down the road you'll

00:30:17.029 --> 00:30:19.210
start talking to Ed again? And I don't know.

00:30:19.269 --> 00:30:21.109
I mean, there's, there's obviously a lot of money

00:30:21.109 --> 00:30:23.109
involved, but, but I mean, just for the sake

00:30:23.109 --> 00:30:24.809
of even friendship, forget about even getting

00:30:24.809 --> 00:30:27.269
on stage with them again. You know, I don't know

00:30:27.269 --> 00:30:28.730
if I want to be his friend again. I don't, I

00:30:28.730 --> 00:30:32.470
don't know if he was ever really my friend. Really?

00:30:33.630 --> 00:30:35.910
It's just, you don't feel the same way about

00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:39.269
Chad and Patrick that you do about Ed? Uh, no,

00:30:39.369 --> 00:30:43.009
I mean, Chad and Patrick are. They were they've

00:30:43.009 --> 00:30:45.289
they've been my friends forever. I mean, you

00:30:45.289 --> 00:30:47.269
know, there's some bright shit that went down.

00:30:47.450 --> 00:30:50.450
I think we'll figure that out eventually. But

00:30:50.450 --> 00:30:53.069
that thing is like at this point, it's just it's

00:30:53.069 --> 00:30:56.769
just wild to look back on. Like you feel used,

00:30:56.910 --> 00:30:59.250
Chad, like you feel used like the relationship

00:30:59.250 --> 00:31:03.630
was always kind of surface and not friends friendship,

00:31:03.630 --> 00:31:05.990
because like if you really get into it, like

00:31:05.990 --> 00:31:08.890
how does a friend fucking do this to another

00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:12.009
friend? in the grand scheme of things. Yeah,

00:31:12.049 --> 00:31:15.490
I mean, yes, I think it was very surface. I think

00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:18.069
it's very surface with most most people. Because

00:31:18.069 --> 00:31:20.309
wasn't the story that he kind of came into your

00:31:20.309 --> 00:31:23.109
audition for the band with like the ulterior

00:31:23.109 --> 00:31:25.609
motive of being the lead singer, but didn't come

00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:27.450
in there and say that to you guys like he came

00:31:27.450 --> 00:31:29.890
in there and I think to audition is like a guitarist

00:31:29.890 --> 00:31:31.769
or something. Yeah, he wanted to come to practice

00:31:31.769 --> 00:31:34.130
and play guitar. That's what he told Chad because

00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:36.089
Chad Chad and him knew each other from elementary

00:31:36.089 --> 00:31:39.759
school. I sort of knew Ed in middle school. So

00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:41.460
eighth grade, we did our talent show, the three

00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:43.680
of us, Patrick, Chad and I, and then I was in

00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.720
the audience and came to practice during that

00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.359
summer between middle school and high school.

00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:51.960
Yeah. With saying he wanted to play guitar and

00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:53.900
then we were like, Oh, let's sing a song. So

00:31:53.900 --> 00:31:55.980
we did a song and he sang and when he left, we

00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:58.180
were like, Oh, he's our singer. So we totally

00:31:58.180 --> 00:32:00.660
invited him in. Yeah. I think he's telling the

00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:04.559
story. Like he started the band now. Oh, Jesus.

00:32:04.700 --> 00:32:07.410
Okay, Chad. Chad, from a decent, from a decent

00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:09.289
human being perspective, this is the part that

00:32:09.289 --> 00:32:11.569
I just can't realm that, you know, you guys were,

00:32:11.670 --> 00:32:13.029
whether you were close with that or not, you

00:32:13.029 --> 00:32:14.690
guys were friends since middle school, right?

00:32:14.930 --> 00:32:16.829
And he gets on stage with these guys that he's

00:32:16.829 --> 00:32:19.210
known for maybe several years, making all this

00:32:19.210 --> 00:32:21.630
money, knowing that you guys are making a fraction.

00:32:22.269 --> 00:32:24.509
And it's like, even the differences that you

00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:26.190
guys have had, I don't know how he could look

00:32:26.190 --> 00:32:28.710
himself in the mirror and say, fuck those guys.

00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:30.849
I'm doing my own thing. And they, you know, I

00:32:30.849 --> 00:32:32.769
mean, that's really what he's doing. Fuck those

00:32:32.769 --> 00:32:35.210
guys. Instead of picking up the phone and saying,

00:32:35.589 --> 00:32:38.289
look, we may never get along, but let's get in

00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:40.490
a room and let's talk at a minimum. I would do

00:32:40.490 --> 00:32:43.150
that. Right. That's not how he works. He has

00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:45.950
people talk for him. He has his, he has his manager

00:32:45.950 --> 00:32:48.049
or his lawyer or whoever the fuck you want. He,

00:32:48.049 --> 00:32:49.990
he, he will not sit in a room with you and actually

00:32:49.990 --> 00:32:52.569
have a real conversation. Well, that's a coward.

00:32:52.809 --> 00:32:55.190
He's a coward. We came back together in 16. I

00:32:55.190 --> 00:32:57.750
was like, we need band therapy. I told this story

00:32:57.750 --> 00:32:59.750
many times. Like, yeah, we need band therapy

00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:03.279
and no one, no one wanted to do it. I mean, maybe

00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.400
Patrick would have done it if everyone else said,

00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.920
yeah, they were going to do it. But like Ed and

00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.940
Chad and management would not put put the even

00:33:10.940 --> 00:33:13.460
put any energy into like even thinking about

00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:15.019
it. And I was like, OK, this is going to end

00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:17.880
in tragedy. Yeah. And so that's and like you

00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.680
said, that's so unfortunate. If you can't get

00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.140
in a room and discuss something with with people

00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:25.500
that you've grown up with. Like, what the fuck?

00:33:25.940 --> 00:33:29.220
It's just insane. I mean, Chad, we don't really

00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:31.309
know each other, but. we were still able to have

00:33:31.309 --> 00:33:33.329
like a 30 minute political conversation, even

00:33:33.329 --> 00:33:34.869
though we're on opposite ends of the spectrum.

00:33:34.930 --> 00:33:37.990
So if we can do that, I'm pretty sure exactly,

00:33:38.369 --> 00:33:39.890
I would give them the benefit of the doubt. But

00:33:39.890 --> 00:33:42.789
like at this point, it's just he, I mean, when

00:33:42.789 --> 00:33:45.170
we, when we sued him the first time in 2009,

00:33:45.170 --> 00:33:47.509
we called him and we're like, Hey, we got a problem.

00:33:47.569 --> 00:33:50.690
Like, we want to talk about this. Ignore, not

00:33:50.690 --> 00:33:52.630
even, he wouldn't even think he wouldn't even

00:33:52.630 --> 00:33:54.569
acknowledge it. And we're like, okay, well, we're

00:33:54.569 --> 00:33:58.279
going to get going. because we feel strongly

00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.740
about this, still just ignored it. Like, OK,

00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.599
well, then we're suing you. And you know what

00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.380
it is, Brian, like Chad has Chad Gracie has no

00:34:06.380 --> 00:34:08.539
problem getting into the room because he's kind

00:34:08.539 --> 00:34:10.719
of been on the right side, like throughout this

00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.780
whole thing. Of course, bad decisions here and

00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:15.420
there. Right. But he's willing to get everything

00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:18.519
out. Talk about his portion of it. He's apologized

00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.300
for portions of his part in it and stuff like

00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:24.440
that. So he's been trying to be the bigger man

00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.389
throughout this entire situation. I would say

00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:31.769
there's two people in Original Live that don't

00:34:31.769 --> 00:34:34.869
want everybody talking together and getting to

00:34:34.869 --> 00:34:37.769
the bottom of things, because there was, I believe,

00:34:37.969 --> 00:34:42.269
two in that band that brought it down from whoever

00:34:42.269 --> 00:34:45.730
started it. Chad and Ed. Not this Chad, Chad

00:34:45.730 --> 00:34:47.730
Taylor and Ed. However it started, who threw

00:34:47.730 --> 00:34:50.429
the first punch, I don't know. But that's where

00:34:50.429 --> 00:34:53.630
the friction became. And those, I would think

00:34:53.630 --> 00:34:56.130
that's why conversations didn't happen, because

00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:58.940
Shit would have been a spotlight on individuals

00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:02.960
who cause shit and they didn't want that. I don't

00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.300
know. You know, listen, I can only go by, you

00:35:05.300 --> 00:35:07.880
know, meeting you guys, the band probably dozens

00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.480
of times since I was a kid. And I always thought

00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.079
Ed was aloof. He's just a weird cat. He's just

00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.119
different. He's just ego different. And then,

00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.059
you know, meeting you back in the day and even

00:35:17.059 --> 00:35:19.420
Chad Taylor, just down to earth. Nice to talk

00:35:19.420 --> 00:35:21.980
to Chad Taylor. He'll talk to any fan, at least

00:35:21.980 --> 00:35:24.639
from what I've seen. and the way he treated me

00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.480
just really cooled the fans and stuff. And Ed

00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.239
was just like, okay, here's an autograph. Here's

00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.500
a picture moving on. I mean, that's kind of what

00:35:30.500 --> 00:35:33.360
I saw from him until recently when I met him

00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.159
last year. But yeah, it just, it sucks when,

00:35:36.619 --> 00:35:38.579
you know, like I said, hands down, you guys are

00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:40.719
my favorite band since I was 14 years old, still

00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.619
to this day. And I'll still go and I'll, yeah,

00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:45.480
of course I'll still go and I'll see Ed because

00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.400
it's live and you know, on the throwing copper

00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.960
25 year anniversary, Ed with an acoustic guitar.

00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:52.139
That was cool. playing the album front to back.

00:35:52.579 --> 00:35:54.619
I actually saw you guys chat in Atlantic City

00:35:54.619 --> 00:35:58.960
with Chris Shin, right? Is that his name? I saw

00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.340
that show where he did, you guys did Copper front

00:36:01.340 --> 00:36:04.119
to back and I thought you guys were great. I

00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.300
was in that show in Atlantic City and I thought

00:36:07.300 --> 00:36:09.119
he did a good job. By the way, I thought that

00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:12.599
album was pretty good, by the way. Re -released

00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.719
that at some point, but yeah, I enjoyed that

00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.179
record. I really thought it was good with Chris.

00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:21.380
and just doing the old school way, the way we

00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:24.280
did it. Like, you know, I get you this idea and

00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:26.019
this is fucking great. Let's put it together

00:36:26.019 --> 00:36:29.380
and get the arrangement going. And Chris is hashing

00:36:29.380 --> 00:36:31.760
out the melody and then he figures out the lyrics

00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:34.760
and we made that record the way we made old school

00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.599
live records. I guess I have you guys to blame

00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.619
because I saw you with Chris in Hollywood on

00:36:41.619 --> 00:36:43.980
Sunset Boulevard at House of Blues. And I met

00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:46.619
my ex -fiance at your show there. So I have you

00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:48.460
to blame for that. Yeah. I have you to blame

00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:51.059
for that. But that was, you know, Chris is a

00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:52.940
good dude and how that's all right. Chris is

00:36:52.940 --> 00:36:55.139
a good dude. And I thought that was a really

00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:57.099
underrated album. I thought he did a really good

00:36:57.099 --> 00:36:59.219
job under under those circumstances. That's not

00:36:59.219 --> 00:37:02.500
easy. You know, and I thought he did well. Stepping

00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:06.019
into that role is very hard. And And Chris is

00:37:06.019 --> 00:37:08.199
a great guy. He's a beautiful human being. I

00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.000
loved hanging out with him, laughing with him.

00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:14.960
He's very funny. And we just knew at some point,

00:37:15.860 --> 00:37:18.260
we knew at some point I was going to come back.

00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.280
So that's kind of what happened. And we talked

00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.920
to Chris about that eventuality. It's just, I

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.800
mean, I'm sad that he went in Rolling Stone and

00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.159
was just not happy about the way it ended, whatever.

00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:36.309
I mean, hey. What did he expect? I mean, yeah,

00:37:36.590 --> 00:37:38.710
it's, you know, it's unfortunate, but it happened.

00:37:38.889 --> 00:37:40.809
Whatever it's, you know, you gotta move on. I'd

00:37:40.809 --> 00:37:43.449
love to talk to him again. I haven't, I haven't

00:37:43.449 --> 00:37:48.909
seen him since 2014 or 15. His family has a lot

00:37:48.909 --> 00:37:51.630
of money. That's probably irrelevant to the conversation.

00:37:53.289 --> 00:37:56.829
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's great for

00:37:56.829 --> 00:37:59.150
him. I'm happy for him. George Shinn is an amazing,

00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:02.210
uh, talented guy. He's got some new music coming

00:38:02.210 --> 00:38:04.769
out. Definitely. I think about a year ago he

00:38:04.769 --> 00:38:07.309
was like putting stuff out saying a new album

00:38:07.309 --> 00:38:08.590
was coming soon. I don't know if it dropped.

00:38:08.889 --> 00:38:14.030
I didn't catch it. Patrick went down and played

00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:16.409
some shows with him for that record. What do

00:38:16.409 --> 00:38:18.469
you make of Chad Taylor doing a couple of those

00:38:18.469 --> 00:38:21.130
shows with Patrick and singing some of your songs

00:38:21.130 --> 00:38:23.989
in a different kind of way? I thought that was

00:38:23.989 --> 00:38:26.389
a little bizarre. Did you see any of those videos?

00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.400
No, I didn't watch any of them. I heard about

00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.280
it all, but it was strange. It was very strange.

00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:41.739
For all the faults of Chad, he is a great human

00:38:41.739 --> 00:38:45.179
being at his core, but there was just some bullshit

00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:47.559
that went down with one of our companies. I couldn't

00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:49.440
get financials and he refused to give them to

00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.539
me and just cut me off. But having said that,

00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.440
looking back on live, he's very key to a lot

00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.380
of like the cool shit that's on the records like

00:39:00.380 --> 00:39:05.019
the guitar parts and and and just the uh the

00:39:05.019 --> 00:39:07.800
texture of the records like that's that's a lot

00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.340
of chad his passion for the music chad might

00:39:10.340 --> 00:39:12.900
have been what fucked up some shit too like the

00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:14.980
the fact that he loved it so much and then he's

00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:17.460
taking credit for some of the songs that he wrote

00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:19.260
like that could have been a part of it too because

00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:22.239
you could definitely see his passion for live

00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.880
and i think that was him playing these chad taylor

00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.690
and friend shows like This music is such a big

00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:30.489
part of my life. I can't just let it go and not

00:39:30.489 --> 00:39:33.150
do anything with it. Like, I still love it. Like,

00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:35.590
I think he, yeah, I think he still, you know,

00:39:35.690 --> 00:39:37.250
had always had that love and passion. Oh, yeah.

00:39:37.309 --> 00:39:39.289
He's very proud of and he loves the music that

00:39:39.289 --> 00:39:41.389
he helped contribute to. He should. He should.

00:39:41.670 --> 00:39:45.289
He should. I remember interviewing. I remember

00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:48.769
Chad interviewing a five year throwing copper

00:39:48.769 --> 00:39:51.510
tour that he did with an R. And I asked him because

00:39:51.510 --> 00:39:53.510
the turn and I asked him, I said, what do you

00:39:53.510 --> 00:39:55.590
think of Chris? And did you listen to the turn?

00:39:55.690 --> 00:39:58.090
And his answer was, no, I didn't listen to it.

00:39:58.110 --> 00:40:00.590
I thought he was lying. There's no chance he

00:40:00.590 --> 00:40:02.449
didn't hear it. Right. I mean, I didn't want

00:40:02.449 --> 00:40:04.030
to say that on the air, but I'm like, dude, you're

00:40:04.030 --> 00:40:07.090
lying to me. Yeah. Right. Now, conversely, I

00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:10.670
never listened to any of his solar records. Chad,

00:40:10.789 --> 00:40:12.369
you're not missing anything. And it pains me

00:40:12.369 --> 00:40:15.389
to say that because, you know, but that's, that's

00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:18.279
what I'm thinking. I mean, it's just like, We

00:40:18.279 --> 00:40:20.519
jokingly call it song from songs from Ed's mountain.

00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:25.559
I mean, that's funny. It's the same stuff. It's

00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.739
got no edginess to it. In my opinion. You know,

00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:32.239
it's not it doesn't sound like live. It sounds

00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.900
like a guy that it's like pop music to me. It

00:40:34.900 --> 00:40:36.800
just it's not the same. It just doesn't sound.

00:40:37.179 --> 00:40:39.139
I just don't like it. It doesn't it doesn't resonate

00:40:39.139 --> 00:40:42.519
with me. That is that is that's that's Ed with

00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:44.519
no one around him telling him no. That's that's

00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.010
what it is. So you think if you guys weren't

00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:49.250
around him, that's what Ed would have sounded

00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:54.090
like 25, 30 years ago? I don't know if he would

00:40:54.090 --> 00:40:57.429
have sounded like that from the get, but I'm

00:40:57.429 --> 00:41:00.570
not sure how to answer that. I mean, we definitely

00:41:00.570 --> 00:41:05.590
all had say in what idea was being played to

00:41:05.590 --> 00:41:09.050
and the arrangement of the idea and figuring

00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:12.590
out what sounded cool, where, we were all involved

00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:16.800
in that process. I don't know if he would have

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.079
been, you know, quote unquote, cheesy then. That's

00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:22.960
what it sounds like. No, but you're right. It

00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.659
is cheesy. You're right. I don't like it. Even

00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:30.039
some live songs where he doesn't sing certain

00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:31.760
parts of certain songs and he kind of puts the

00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:33.380
mic out into the crowd. I hate that. I don't

00:41:33.380 --> 00:41:35.820
like that. But but I still think his voice is

00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:38.039
capable. I mean, I think when he when he has

00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.340
when he has an acoustic guitar, I mean, I just

00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:42.380
you can hear it. You know, he still sounds great.

00:41:43.299 --> 00:41:45.539
I will detract nothing from his talent. He's

00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:47.920
an amazing singer. He's an amazing performer,

00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:51.800
plays guitar pretty well. And, you know, obviously

00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.119
the lyrics and melody that he's written over

00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.719
the years have been astounding. Yeah. All that

00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.519
could be true and you could still be, you know,

00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.219
so it happens. Personal question. You don't have

00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:04.739
to answer it, but like, did you guys, any of

00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:06.659
you guys ever get into physical altercations

00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:08.179
when you guys weren't getting along? I'm just

00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:10.679
curious. Oh, Chad and Ed fought a couple of times,

00:42:10.940 --> 00:42:13.429
but this is back when we were younger. nothing

00:42:13.429 --> 00:42:15.750
like that one when we were older but like in

00:42:15.750 --> 00:42:18.869
high school and stuff in middle school yeah on

00:42:18.869 --> 00:42:21.550
a lighter note how the fuck did you grow up in

00:42:21.550 --> 00:42:23.570
york pennsylvania like there's nothing there

00:42:23.570 --> 00:42:26.809
dude like i live in vegas i know the song shit

00:42:26.809 --> 00:42:29.630
town is about but like okay so i grew up in a

00:42:29.630 --> 00:42:31.929
small town in connecticut but we were in between

00:42:31.929 --> 00:42:35.789
new york and boston so if i wanted some fun i

00:42:35.789 --> 00:42:38.519
could just drive a couple hours right like I

00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.860
would have lost my mind. I don't know. Well,

00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:43.139
it'd be fair. We were 45 minutes from Baltimore

00:42:43.139 --> 00:42:45.159
an hour and a half from Philly. So we did have

00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.199
access to those things, but I don't know. You

00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.480
know, I mean, we, you know, we did write a song

00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:51.619
about it called shit town, but you know, when

00:42:51.619 --> 00:42:54.440
you're, when you're a young kid, like you have

00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:57.599
what you have and you can figure out what to

00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.280
do in those small towns. But once we started

00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.760
traveling, we were like, Oh, okay. Yeah. The

00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:06.719
world's a lot different than fucking York. What

00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.130
was it? What was it like when you're the artist

00:43:09.130 --> 00:43:12.809
of the year? I would imagine the ladies are not

00:43:12.809 --> 00:43:15.150
difficult to come by without getting into detail.

00:43:15.369 --> 00:43:17.150
But like, what is that lifestyle like when you

00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:19.869
have chicks, when you're single and you have

00:43:19.869 --> 00:43:23.010
chicks waiting for you backstage? And I mean,

00:43:23.389 --> 00:43:25.550
there's a lot of people in life that never have

00:43:25.550 --> 00:43:27.949
those kinds of opportunities that you guys had.

00:43:28.010 --> 00:43:30.250
You're playing in front of 30, 40 ,000 people.

00:43:30.489 --> 00:43:32.349
There's beautiful women waiting for you guys,

00:43:32.429 --> 00:43:35.630
right? What was that like back then? Um, it was

00:43:35.630 --> 00:43:37.789
always very fucking cool. I mean, so the first

00:43:37.789 --> 00:43:39.610
show, the very first show we ever played was

00:43:39.610 --> 00:43:41.369
like that eighth grade talent show. And it was

00:43:41.369 --> 00:43:43.710
Chad Patrick and I, and we won the talent show.

00:43:43.769 --> 00:43:45.769
We had all these girls screaming at us, all the

00:43:45.769 --> 00:43:47.550
girls that we went to school with who wouldn't

00:43:47.550 --> 00:43:49.710
really look at us now screaming at us were like,

00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:51.769
okay, this is pretty fucking cool. I get this.

00:43:52.070 --> 00:43:56.550
I want to do this, you know? So, but as we, when

00:43:56.550 --> 00:43:59.860
we started becoming big, I was I had a girlfriend

00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:02.760
and I got married in like 90 when I got married

00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.840
96. You moron. I know. I had a girlfriend from

00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:12.699
like 93. And I was faithful to her. And a good

00:44:12.699 --> 00:44:15.360
guy married. That was my first wife until 99

00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.579
2000. And then I had two years of rock stardom

00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:23.199
being on the road and I had a pretty, pretty

00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.969
fun time. That was Yes, it makes picking up chicks

00:44:26.969 --> 00:44:29.789
a lot easier, that's for sure. It's some social,

00:44:29.789 --> 00:44:31.550
what do they call it? Social lubrication, for

00:44:31.550 --> 00:44:34.869
sure. Did you ever have any famous celebrities

00:44:34.869 --> 00:44:39.110
like women reach out to you during that time?

00:44:40.349 --> 00:44:42.969
I reached out to a couple and interacted with

00:44:42.969 --> 00:44:46.969
a few, but I never had anyone reach out to me

00:44:46.969 --> 00:44:50.159
just directly, no. Yeah, I remember the days

00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.840
when Dennis Rodman used to hang out with you

00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.059
guys Right, and that was he's quite the character,

00:44:55.059 --> 00:44:58.360
but that's pretty cool Remember remember Chad

00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.500
when he was doing that MTV show and I remember

00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:03.860
one of the episodes he was wearing a live shirt

00:45:03.860 --> 00:45:05.420
I thought that I thought that was pretty cool.

00:45:05.659 --> 00:45:09.400
Yeah, he Dennis is awesome. He's a Dennis is

00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.139
a great guy He just he when he drinks he becomes

00:45:12.139 --> 00:45:14.159
a fucking asshole, but he's amazing guy when

00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.380
he's sober uh very emotional and like very like

00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:19.579
he's like very great one -on -one with you when

00:45:19.579 --> 00:45:22.219
he's sober but he start drinking and lose it

00:45:22.219 --> 00:45:24.460
but yeah he come to the shows and like he just

00:45:24.460 --> 00:45:26.679
walk on stage who the fuck's gonna stop him so

00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.099
you just get out there and just start singing

00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:31.699
it's tough and we're like okay why not yeah i

00:45:31.699 --> 00:45:35.900
remember i remember us for a while that's funny

00:45:35.900 --> 00:45:37.739
i remember uh when you guys played a show in

00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:39.719
new york i want to say it was the distance to

00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.539
hear tora i don't remember a basketball player

00:45:42.539 --> 00:45:44.380
by the name of Jason Williams who I think at

00:45:44.380 --> 00:45:46.179
the time played for the New Jersey Nets was at

00:45:46.179 --> 00:45:48.780
your show and he loved you guys and I was talking

00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:53.639
to him for a little bit. I wanted to ask you

00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.699
guys this question because I know you guys talked

00:45:55.699 --> 00:45:58.599
about REM and U2, the bands that influenced you

00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.519
guys. A lot of alternative rock bands that I

00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.360
talked to say they were influenced by a band

00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.079
called Failure. I don't know if you know who

00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:10.030
Ken Andrews is. He's a record producer. No, that

00:46:10.030 --> 00:46:12.489
doesn't ring a bell. Okay. But you guys were

00:46:12.489 --> 00:46:15.730
R .E .M. and U2 were like your biggest for you.

00:46:16.769 --> 00:46:19.909
Yeah. I mean, we covered all that stuff when

00:46:19.909 --> 00:46:21.409
we were in middle school and high school. We

00:46:21.409 --> 00:46:26.269
covered U2, R .E .M., Smiths, InXS. I mean, but

00:46:26.269 --> 00:46:29.869
U2 and R .E .M. were definitely for me anyway.

00:46:30.369 --> 00:46:33.489
I think the biggest influences. Yeah, that's

00:46:33.489 --> 00:46:37.139
cool. It's so nice to be able to talk music because

00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:39.539
I have to talk politics every day and I get so

00:46:39.539 --> 00:46:42.260
burnt out. You have no idea. I do 10 hours. I

00:46:42.260 --> 00:46:44.920
did the Pierce Morgan show last week and that's

00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:46.800
it. You know, I, I think I asked you, I saw you

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.860
on there. I was like, yeah, that was me. That's

00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:52.559
me. I did it. I was Pierce, Brian. Um, you know,

00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.820
I'm going to Chad, I had asked you, do you ever

00:46:54.820 --> 00:46:57.599
get nervous on stage? I never get nervous doing

00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.880
radio, but I was hyperventilating Chad before

00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:01.739
going on Pierce. Cause that's, that's a big deal

00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:04.000
for me. Right? So the first time I, I went on

00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.019
twice last month. The first time I was literally

00:47:06.019 --> 00:47:09.300
hyperventilating. But once I started talking,

00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:10.920
it's kind of like what you said, get into that

00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.780
first song, you're fine. For me, it was once

00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:17.059
I started talking, I was okay. But man, I was

00:47:17.059 --> 00:47:20.059
pretty nervous before going on that show, because

00:47:20.059 --> 00:47:21.500
there's a lot of people watching. There's a lot

00:47:21.500 --> 00:47:24.460
of people watching. I had the most problem doing

00:47:24.460 --> 00:47:27.119
live TV, like Saturday Night Live or like playing

00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.920
on David Letterman or any of those talk shows.

00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.380
Right. because I didn't want to think about the

00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:36.099
millions of people watching. And I remember that

00:47:36.099 --> 00:47:38.780
was when Chevy Chase hosted, right? That was

00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:40.260
one of the times you did it. We did it twice.

00:47:40.420 --> 00:47:42.519
Yeah, we did it with David Hyde Pierce the first

00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:44.280
time, and then Chevy Chase the second time. Yeah.

00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.820
That Lachini's used live performance when Chevy

00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:51.460
Chase hosted was so awesome. I still remember

00:47:51.460 --> 00:47:54.579
that. And I remember Patrick's leopard pants.

00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.840
For whatever reason, I still remember that. What

00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.659
was the deal when you guys were with Chris and

00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:02.519
and and it seemed like Chad and Patrick like

00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.380
put like dirt on their shirts and stuff What

00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:07.099
was up with that? I came up with that. We were

00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:09.659
all doing we were putting like like powder on

00:48:09.659 --> 00:48:12.699
us We wear black and put powder on us. I don't

00:48:12.699 --> 00:48:15.639
know Sometimes we thought it would be a cool

00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.780
static stuff Yeah, what is that like doing Saturday

00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:21.699
Night Live man, that's unbelievable. How many

00:48:21.699 --> 00:48:23.619
bands can say they've done Saturday Night Live?

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.260
I mean, that's amazing. Yeah, the first time

00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:28.150
we got it that was Probably the most nervous

00:48:28.150 --> 00:48:30.550
I was to to do that the first time like Saturday

00:48:30.550 --> 00:48:34.150
Night Live like oh my god here we are and uh,

00:48:34.230 --> 00:48:35.650
That's when you know, you've made it right? That's

00:48:35.650 --> 00:48:39.030
when you know, you're great too. That was uh,

00:48:39.469 --> 00:48:42.650
What was uh guy's name chris farley? Yeah, we

00:48:42.650 --> 00:48:45.269
love him And if you look at the end if you watch

00:48:45.269 --> 00:48:48.349
that show to the end There's a point where patrick

00:48:48.349 --> 00:48:50.250
chad and I surround chris farley and we start

00:48:50.250 --> 00:48:52.329
hugging him and jumping up and down And he's

00:48:52.329 --> 00:48:55.989
just kind of like what the fuck That's so cool

00:48:56.139 --> 00:48:58.880
You know, it reminded me of you guys, I just

00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.440
saw the band Fuel. And I think you guys toured

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:02.780
with them back in the day. Great band, right?

00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:04.679
But Brett Scallions is no longer the lead singer.

00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.420
Him and their guitar player, Carl Bell, have

00:49:07.420 --> 00:49:09.559
gotten into it. And I talked to Carl after the

00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.639
show, right? And I said, Carl, he's done my show

00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.139
before. I said, Carl, do you still talk to Brett?

00:49:14.659 --> 00:49:16.639
And he went from smiley face, hey, how you doing,

00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:19.639
Brian, to like, you could see the anger in his

00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.619
face, right? And I'm like, man, it's just, it's

00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:24.710
brutal. You know, you guys make magic together

00:49:24.710 --> 00:49:27.170
and now it's so bad that, you know, you hear

00:49:27.170 --> 00:49:29.090
somebody's name and it just changes your mood,

00:49:29.090 --> 00:49:31.469
man. I mean, I mean, he, I think his relationship

00:49:31.469 --> 00:49:34.230
with Brett is probably even worse than your relationship

00:49:34.230 --> 00:49:37.909
with Ed. I mean, that seemed to me, but they've

00:49:37.909 --> 00:49:40.769
historically been really bad because we're very

00:49:40.769 --> 00:49:42.849
familiar with fuel because they had the same

00:49:42.849 --> 00:49:44.789
manager as us for a while. They actually moved.

00:49:46.010 --> 00:49:49.130
Excuse me. They moved to Pennsylvania to get

00:49:49.130 --> 00:49:51.750
our management, which was David Sestak at media

00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:54.920
five. um at the time right so we're very familiar

00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.760
with them we yeah watched them do come up all

00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.780
their shows coming up and stuff and then they

00:49:59.780 --> 00:50:02.260
exploded and did really well and then you found

00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:05.920
out that carl and uh and brett hated each other

00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:10.360
yeah sucks so so chad i got into radio because

00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.320
of howard stern and i still remember you made

00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.000
one appearance on that show is that we were on

00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.280
twice you do more we were on in the 90s oh i

00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.860
didn't know that 2000s yeah okay What the show

00:50:20.860 --> 00:50:23.300
where it was a very attractive female manager

00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:25.699
you guys had at the time was like dancing with

00:50:25.699 --> 00:50:27.360
Howard Do you remember that was that the show

00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:32.179
in the 90s? I think she was one record company

00:50:32.179 --> 00:50:36.179
ladies What was that like doing Howard well,

00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:39.460
it's amazing I was a big fan of Howard and he

00:50:39.460 --> 00:50:42.980
it was just I mean a great honor to do that because

00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:46.949
I loved listening to show yeah, and I would imagine

00:50:46.949 --> 00:50:49.590
you don't like his politics these days. Yeah,

00:50:49.730 --> 00:50:51.989
kind of. Yeah. I mean, whatever. It's the COVID

00:50:51.989 --> 00:50:56.130
really fucked him up, but whatever. Well, he's

00:50:56.130 --> 00:50:58.150
always been a likes Trump. He just doesn't like

00:50:58.150 --> 00:51:00.550
the people who voted for him. So he's coming

00:51:00.550 --> 00:51:04.710
around. Yeah. He has been pretty consistent with

00:51:04.710 --> 00:51:06.829
that, but he's a germaphobe. You know, he's like

00:51:06.829 --> 00:51:10.469
major, major OCD. You know what I mean? So that

00:51:10.469 --> 00:51:13.039
yeah. He's it's very strange because off the

00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.039
air he's I've met him off. He's very different.

00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.159
He's very quiet He's very reserved stays in his

00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.619
home, but you get that guy in front of a microphone

00:51:20.619 --> 00:51:22.659
Like i'm always an asshole, you know i'm an asshole

00:51:22.659 --> 00:51:25.880
on and off the air. Yeah, but But you know, you

00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.579
know what? I mean, like some people have a persona

00:51:27.579 --> 00:51:29.980
on the air and off the air But I I listened to

00:51:29.980 --> 00:51:32.500
his his show back in the early 90s and I said

00:51:32.500 --> 00:51:34.739
man, I want to do that Unfortunately now there's

00:51:34.739 --> 00:51:36.960
more male nudity than female nudity. I can't

00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:41.630
say i'm a big fan of that But you know, Chad,

00:51:42.010 --> 00:51:44.710
regardless of his political views, I think he's

00:51:44.710 --> 00:51:46.409
the best ever at interviewing people. By far.

00:51:46.570 --> 00:51:48.449
He gets stuff out of people. I've said that many,

00:51:48.489 --> 00:51:50.670
many times. He gets, especially now he's moving

00:51:50.670 --> 00:51:52.469
into more like the interviewing thing instead

00:51:52.469 --> 00:51:56.389
of the, like all the gags and shit. Yeah, he

00:51:56.389 --> 00:51:58.590
gets stuff out of people that no other interviewer

00:51:58.590 --> 00:52:00.429
would get them to talk about. He treats it like

00:52:00.429 --> 00:52:03.840
a therapy session. You know what? Right. You

00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:05.980
know, you know who I get got to get Chad to debate

00:52:05.980 --> 00:52:08.179
a friend of mine the lead singer of filter Richard

00:52:08.179 --> 00:52:11.239
Patrick He's a huge liberal. Yeah, but he's a

00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.619
great guy Yeah, he's a good dude. He did a lot

00:52:14.619 --> 00:52:17.420
of drugs back in the day. But boy, can you imagine

00:52:17.420 --> 00:52:19.079
if you and him got into a debate? Oh my god,

00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.519
you guys are like completely different debate

00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.000
He doesn't even yeah, he doesn't even he rarely

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.840
talks to his brother anymore You know the the

00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.280
actor Robert Patrick, you know from the Terminator

00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:33.860
movies because Robert is far to the right and

00:52:33.860 --> 00:52:35.739
he's far to the left. How funny, same house,

00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.559
all different views. How did you like Marv visiting

00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:41.820
Trump in the White House? Were you for that?

00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.079
Because I was all for that because I think it's

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.559
great to bridge the gap. Yeah, that's a good

00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.679
question. So I've met Bill a few times. So here's

00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.679
my feeling on that. It's my same feeling with

00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.219
Gavin Newsom interviewing Charlie Kirk and Steve

00:52:57.219 --> 00:53:00.260
Bannon. I don't mind them doing those interviews

00:53:00.260 --> 00:53:01.679
because I interview people like that all the

00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.550
time. but I want to see some pushback. So if

00:53:04.550 --> 00:53:06.449
Bill Maher just goes there with just the intention

00:53:06.449 --> 00:53:08.670
of being nicey -goosey after all the things he

00:53:08.670 --> 00:53:11.409
said about him, I think that's disingenuous.

00:53:11.550 --> 00:53:13.289
I'm not saying you have to go in there and call

00:53:13.289 --> 00:53:16.090
him names. I'm saying, why not challenge him

00:53:16.090 --> 00:53:18.610
a little bit? Hey, Mr. President, when I called

00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:20.730
you the orange orangutan, why did you file a

00:53:20.730 --> 00:53:24.730
lawsuit against me? Something like that. I don't

00:53:24.730 --> 00:53:26.489
know how that conversation went. I know that

00:53:26.489 --> 00:53:29.280
Kid Rock, they're mutual friends, right? and

00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.159
Kid Rock is the one who made that happen. Okay,

00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:33.199
fine. I didn't like the Kid Rock interview on

00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:34.900
Bill Maher's show because I want to see some

00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:36.320
pushback. I want to see that with everybody,

00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.900
right? I don't like puffer interviews. And I

00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:41.719
understand Bill Maher's friends with Kid Rock.

00:53:42.139 --> 00:53:43.760
Challenge people. There's a way to do it and

00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.440
do it respectfully. So I don't know what happened

00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.000
there. So you're saying to challenge because

00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.159
it's natural, right? Like they should be challenging

00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.260
because it's natural. What they're doing by not

00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:54.099
challenging is the unnatural. They're almost

00:53:54.099 --> 00:53:57.219
like acting like they like each other. Well,

00:53:57.219 --> 00:53:59.860
I can only put myself in the position of if Donald

00:53:59.860 --> 00:54:01.760
Trump, which he never would, but if I was invited

00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:04.260
to the White House, I wouldn't call names. I

00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:07.300
would be respectful. I would go. Even though

00:54:07.300 --> 00:54:09.820
I can't stand the man, but or if I played a round

00:54:09.820 --> 00:54:12.980
of golf with him, right? I would a couple of

00:54:12.980 --> 00:54:15.420
my friends who are left leaning were offered

00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:17.019
to play golf with Trump. They're professional

00:54:17.019 --> 00:54:19.099
poker players and they didn't do it. And I said,

00:54:19.219 --> 00:54:21.360
man, you should have done it. You know, play

00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.659
around to golf with them. See what he is like

00:54:23.659 --> 00:54:25.980
away from the camera and maybe throw in a few

00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:28.300
questions. I would take that opportunity. So,

00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:29.920
so Chad, to answer your question, I know I'm

00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:31.780
rambling here, but I don't have a problem with

00:54:31.780 --> 00:54:34.340
him going, but it sounds to me like he didn't

00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:36.360
challenge him at all. And it was all joking and

00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.539
having fun. Look at the nasty stuff that you

00:54:38.539 --> 00:54:40.840
guys have said to one another. Why not challenge

00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:42.980
him a little bit? That's that's, I feel like

00:54:42.980 --> 00:54:44.960
bill doesn't do that as much as he used to that.

00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.119
That's my problem with bill these days. Fair

00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.639
enough. Yeah. I mean, it was, I don't know if

00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.039
this is fact or not, but I heard that he. he

00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.079
brought a whole list of the things that he's

00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:56.199
called Trump. Right. And then Trump signed it.

00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.519
And Trump signed it. He endorsed it. It's like,

00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:01.039
yeah, okay, you call me. See, I think that's

00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.280
funny. I think that's funny. Right. I think I

00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:05.860
don't have a problem with that at all. But, you

00:55:05.860 --> 00:55:07.619
know, maybe throw a few questions in there. You

00:55:07.619 --> 00:55:09.900
know, I mean, I, I don't know that that's that's

00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:13.280
what I would have done. But Bill is, you know,

00:55:13.340 --> 00:55:15.159
I think that there are some people that are phony.

00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:17.380
I think there's a side of Bill that's phony.

00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:19.780
He's a very intelligent guy, but I look at Joe

00:55:19.780 --> 00:55:22.059
Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, right? They

00:55:22.059 --> 00:55:24.559
bash Trump 24 -7, and then all of a sudden they

00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.380
go to Mar -a -Lago to make good with him. Now,

00:55:27.380 --> 00:55:28.960
why are they doing that? Not because they want

00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.460
to be Donald Trump's friend, because they want

00:55:30.460 --> 00:55:32.059
him on the show, and they know it's good for

00:55:32.059 --> 00:55:34.460
their ratings. I think that's bullshit. I think

00:55:34.460 --> 00:55:36.579
you should trade, whether you agree with them

00:55:36.579 --> 00:55:38.519
or not, I think people should stay true to who

00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:41.360
they are. There's a way to do it respectfully.

00:55:42.750 --> 00:55:44.610
You know, I mean, I have people on my show all

00:55:44.610 --> 00:55:47.630
the time. You know, I mean, you know, Roger Stone

00:55:47.630 --> 00:55:50.309
did my show and Vivek Ramaswamy and Robert F.

00:55:50.349 --> 00:55:52.829
Kennedy, Jr. I don't call them. I treat people

00:55:52.829 --> 00:55:55.469
the way they treat me. Right. And I had Enrique

00:55:55.469 --> 00:55:58.050
Tario on Chad about a week after you did the

00:55:58.050 --> 00:56:00.510
show. He did a 45 minute interview with me. Now,

00:56:00.510 --> 00:56:02.929
I think he's a bad guy. I think, you know, he's

00:56:02.929 --> 00:56:05.349
a he's a really bad dude. And I think he's only

00:56:05.349 --> 00:56:07.670
in it for himself. But people were very angry

00:56:07.670 --> 00:56:11.139
at me, my listeners, because I treated him. with

00:56:11.139 --> 00:56:14.059
respect and I so what good is it going to be

00:56:14.059 --> 00:56:16.679
if I call him a traitor then he hangs up the

00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.300
phone and we don't have an interview and that's

00:56:18.300 --> 00:56:20.360
right I don't want I don't want to do that things

00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.599
that just sucks about today is that you can't

00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.019
be like you can't have someone like that on and

00:56:25.019 --> 00:56:27.159
then your fans are like why like they're pissed

00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:29.440
at you it's like right trying to like it's good

00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.500
to hear everyone's perspectives about things

00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:35.320
and and understand the other side for how they

00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:38.280
believe what they believe and not have to bash

00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.320
each other constantly or then be pissed off that

00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.659
like Bill Maher went to see Trump or Bill Maher

00:56:43.659 --> 00:56:46.000
did this or, or you have someone on that they

00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:47.440
don't like. It's like, that's just the point.

00:56:48.179 --> 00:56:51.619
There has to be a bridge between the two sides.

00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.219
Right. Like what don't you want spoken about

00:56:54.219 --> 00:56:56.000
because these guys are getting together? Like

00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:57.980
what, what is that? Like what could possibly

00:56:57.980 --> 00:57:01.239
happen? Yeah. Chad, that's my problem with the

00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:03.719
media today. I used to watch Crossfire with Tucker

00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:06.059
Carlson. If you remember, I thought it was a

00:57:06.059 --> 00:57:08.639
great show. Hannity and Combs. Hannity and Combs

00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.039
was a really good show because you got to hear

00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.760
both sides. If you listen to right -wing radio,

00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.699
rarely do they ever interview people they disagree

00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:19.960
with. Clay Travis doesn't do it. Mark Levin doesn't

00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.820
do it. Sean Hannity, very rare. I can't listen

00:57:22.820 --> 00:57:25.880
to that. And I would rather interview somebody

00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:29.250
that I disagree with. Then do a puffer interview

00:57:29.250 --> 00:57:30.730
with somebody that I agree with on everything.

00:57:30.789 --> 00:57:32.690
Listen, I'll interview people that I agree with

00:57:32.690 --> 00:57:34.650
on a lie. Jasmine Crockett on a few weeks ago,

00:57:34.929 --> 00:57:37.929
but I would rather interview somebody that I

00:57:37.929 --> 00:57:39.690
disagree with. And I would think as a listener,

00:57:40.150 --> 00:57:42.250
you would want to hear that good spirited debate

00:57:42.250 --> 00:57:45.170
instead of people just agreeing with one another

00:57:45.170 --> 00:57:47.230
all the time. I can't stand that. It's just like,

00:57:47.409 --> 00:57:48.670
okay, if you're a Republican, you're going to

00:57:48.670 --> 00:57:50.449
listen to Fox news. Okay. If you're a Democrat,

00:57:50.530 --> 00:57:52.409
you're going to listen to MSNBC. I just think

00:57:52.409 --> 00:57:57.380
it's. Yeah, I just don't like it, man. I don't

00:57:57.380 --> 00:58:00.039
like it. I think CNN, obviously CNN leads to

00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.039
the left, but at least they have more Republicans

00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.480
on panels, at least. Very few. I know Fox News

00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:07.579
has a few, but I just think the media today,

00:58:07.699 --> 00:58:09.980
it's just on both sides. I think it's extremely

00:58:09.980 --> 00:58:14.260
biased, and it's frustrating for me. Yeah, I

00:58:14.260 --> 00:58:16.460
agree with you. It doesn't seem like there's

00:58:16.460 --> 00:58:21.300
real journalism anymore. There's no real journalists

00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:24.500
digging into things and going, Despite what the

00:58:24.500 --> 00:58:26.820
political ramifications of it are, it's like,

00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.599
no, this is fucked up. Like I'm going to go into

00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.219
the story and figure out what's going on with

00:58:30.219 --> 00:58:32.840
this. Right. Yeah. You know why Chad though?

00:58:33.019 --> 00:58:35.739
Look at, look at X for example. Okay. There are

00:58:35.739 --> 00:58:38.539
so -called journalists on X, uh, like after the,

00:58:38.539 --> 00:58:41.280
uh, terrorist attack in New Orleans, right? Everybody

00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:44.420
was saying it's an illegal immigrant. It's open

00:58:44.420 --> 00:58:47.599
border policy and they don't wait an hour or

00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.030
two before getting the news correct. Now. they

00:58:50.030 --> 00:58:51.550
make more money by doing that though. If they

00:58:51.550 --> 00:58:53.590
wait an hour or two and they get a story correct,

00:58:54.130 --> 00:58:56.150
they're not going to make as much money as if

00:58:56.150 --> 00:58:58.730
a Laura Loomer tweets something out saying, oh,

00:58:58.730 --> 00:59:00.510
it was an illegal or whatever the case may be.

00:59:00.750 --> 00:59:03.110
These are the times we're living in today. It's

00:59:03.110 --> 00:59:05.369
not about getting it right. It's about getting

00:59:05.369 --> 00:59:09.829
clicks. That's what's so dangerous and it's frustrating.

00:59:09.929 --> 00:59:12.989
I was a reporter for 10 years and then I decided

00:59:12.989 --> 00:59:16.900
to be a talk show host. I like to be opinionated,

00:59:16.940 --> 00:59:18.960
but I think there's also ways of being opinionated

00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.800
while being responsible, and not just throwing

00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.099
stuff at a wall and hoping that it sticks. It's

00:59:25.099 --> 00:59:29.219
important to get stuff right. The one and only

00:59:29.219 --> 00:59:30.920
Brian Shapiro. So the way we do this, Brian,

00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:33.659
is we always leave the audience wanting more

00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:36.119
from the guest. And I know you have your show

00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.440
coming up relatively soon. Tell the audience

00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.659
where they could find your radio show and all

00:59:40.659 --> 00:59:43.849
that jazz, and where they could find you. If

00:59:43.849 --> 00:59:45.710
only my dating life was like that, they would

00:59:45.710 --> 00:59:47.070
want more for me as well. But that's another

00:59:47.070 --> 00:59:50.590
story for another show. So thank you, guys. First

00:59:50.590 --> 00:59:52.210
of all, let me just say thank you, guys. Chad,

00:59:52.449 --> 00:59:54.429
I've been a huge fan of yours for such a long

00:59:54.429 --> 00:59:56.570
time. So this was a lot of fun. I really appreciate

00:59:56.570 --> 00:59:58.650
you. And thank you for having me on, both of

00:59:58.650 --> 01:00:00.909
you guys. I really appreciate it so much. This

01:00:00.909 --> 01:00:04.170
was fun. So the show is called Pushing the Limits.

01:00:04.710 --> 01:00:09.130
The website is pushingthelimits .live. uh and

01:00:09.130 --> 01:00:11.630
uh yeah i'm on in about an hour i do 12 to 2

01:00:11.630 --> 01:00:13.570
monday through friday my youtube page is probably

01:00:13.570 --> 01:00:16.570
the best place to watch the show uh the chat

01:00:16.570 --> 01:00:21.429
is crazy it's fun uh at ptl radio show uh at

01:00:21.429 --> 01:00:24.449
ptl radio show is uh the best place to watch

01:00:24.449 --> 01:00:27.530
me on youtube and on tiktok and uh thanks again

01:00:27.530 --> 01:00:30.309
gentlemen this has been um it's a nice getaway

01:00:30.309 --> 01:00:33.110
from uh what i have to talk about every day so

01:00:33.110 --> 01:00:35.420
um I appreciate you guys and you guys are welcome

01:00:35.420 --> 01:00:37.260
to come on my show again anytime. It's been a

01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:39.460
lot of fun and I appreciate it. Thank you so

01:00:39.460 --> 01:00:41.239
much. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate it as well.

01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:43.579
My pleasure. Thank you. Brian Shapiro. Seriously,

01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.760
go check out his show, folks. He's he's on there

01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:48.800
from 12 to two Vegas time. And he really does

01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:50.960
put on a good show. He's a cool dude, has some

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.139
cool discussions and mixes it up with the guests.

01:00:55.619 --> 01:00:58.559
Always, always cool to talk to Brian. And I could

01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:02.900
sit back and let that dude go. He's awesome.

01:01:03.730 --> 01:01:05.130
Troy put in the comments. He's like, I thought

01:01:05.130 --> 01:01:07.329
Brian didn't want to talk politics. And then

01:01:07.329 --> 01:01:10.690
I mean, we were skimming the surface talking

01:01:10.690 --> 01:01:13.409
about the trying to trying to bridge the gap

01:01:13.409 --> 01:01:17.070
here, man. Yeah. All this fucking ridiculousness

01:01:17.070 --> 01:01:19.369
of you're there for this side and you're for

01:01:19.369 --> 01:01:21.090
this side and you can't talk to one another.

01:01:21.210 --> 01:01:22.969
It's just ridiculous at this point. That's why

01:01:22.969 --> 01:01:24.789
that's why I brought the Bill Maher thing. It's

01:01:24.789 --> 01:01:27.050
like, I thought that was a great step. Yeah.

01:01:27.070 --> 01:01:30.519
Omar to go to Trump. Now, I mean, We, I don't

01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.780
think anybody's been privy to the actual conversation.

01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:34.920
So we don't know what happened in that, in that

01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.099
meeting. Did, did Bill Maher push back on Trump

01:01:37.099 --> 01:01:40.460
a little bit? I don't know. Maybe. Right. I did.

01:01:40.460 --> 01:01:42.260
Bill Maher do it like an after report on that,

01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:44.519
like on his show or on his podcast. I haven't

01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.760
seen it. I don't know. I just heard like the

01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.679
headline that they spoke. I didn't, and they

01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.179
talked and I didn't hear, I didn't see anything

01:01:51.179 --> 01:01:53.760
from it. I mean the reports where it went well,

01:01:54.019 --> 01:01:56.360
whatever that means. Yeah. Well, yeah, I agree

01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:57.920
with Brian. Like he should have like, why'd you

01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:02.659
call me this? And I think with Bill Maher, with

01:02:02.659 --> 01:02:06.239
Trump, it was a lot of like, either miscommunication

01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.940
or jealousy, I think from Bill towards Trump,

01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.260
to be honest, I think Bill was a little jealous

01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:15.440
of Trump and the power he wielded and some of

01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.260
the stuff he was doing, because as like from

01:02:18.260 --> 01:02:22.469
2020 to 2024, Bill Maher's like was still labeled

01:02:22.469 --> 01:02:25.050
as a left, but everything he was saying was starting

01:02:25.050 --> 01:02:29.210
to lean right. And like his I don't know what's

01:02:29.210 --> 01:02:31.010
lean right. It's just like lean back towards

01:02:31.010 --> 01:02:34.250
the middle. Common sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

01:02:34.289 --> 01:02:35.690
that's what I mean. Unfortunately, that's right

01:02:35.690 --> 01:02:38.250
nowadays, even though it technically isn't right.

01:02:38.269 --> 01:02:39.949
The common sense is that's what I'm trying to

01:02:39.949 --> 01:02:41.530
point out. It's like, yes, it's called right

01:02:41.530 --> 01:02:43.469
wing now, but it's just basically the center.

01:02:44.050 --> 01:02:47.889
Right. I completely fucked up, gentlemen. I was

01:02:47.889 --> 01:02:51.369
I had every idea to go pee before the show started

01:02:51.369 --> 01:02:55.050
and then 159 hit and I didn't go. So I'm like,

01:02:55.050 --> 01:02:56.809
I've been pinching this bad boy for a little

01:02:56.809 --> 01:03:00.070
bit. So let's get about three, four or five minutes

01:03:00.070 --> 01:03:02.690
left. And then I got like when I get up, it's

01:03:02.690 --> 01:03:04.769
going to like drip out a little bit. So what

01:03:04.769 --> 01:03:07.510
about Bobby? Where depends. I'm going to get

01:03:07.510 --> 01:03:11.190
those rock death diapers that you can wear to

01:03:11.190 --> 01:03:19.809
concerts. That's a thing, dude. They make those

01:03:19.809 --> 01:03:23.230
for rock concerts? Yeah. I mean, I knew we had

01:03:23.230 --> 01:03:26.610
fans that would stand in the fucking front from

01:03:26.610 --> 01:03:29.929
the doors open until the fucking hotel and they

01:03:29.929 --> 01:03:32.630
would wear the pens. Do they make a specific

01:03:32.630 --> 01:03:36.190
diaper now for rock fans? Yeah, it's like a leather

01:03:36.190 --> 01:03:39.289
outside and then you can replace the inside with

01:03:39.289 --> 01:03:43.559
the thing. Yeah, didn't we didn't we show those

01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:47.940
on the show? There's a market for that is fucking

01:03:47.940 --> 01:03:50.300
hilarious the fact that people would stand in

01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:53.659
the front row of Their favorite brand that yeah

01:03:53.659 --> 01:03:59.300
that they need to wear diapers is insane You

01:03:59.300 --> 01:04:01.820
couldn't you couldn't fucking pay me to do that

01:04:01.820 --> 01:04:04.679
Okay, who was Nirvana came back and fucking Kurt

01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:07.400
came Kurt Cobain came back from the dead Right

01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:09.820
not stand in the front row and piss in my diaper

01:04:09.820 --> 01:04:13.659
to fucking watch him Like like if you put the

01:04:13.659 --> 01:04:16.280
diaper on because it was general admission and

01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.000
you were worried about like wake making your

01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.239
way through, like maybe I'm starting to see because

01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:23.480
it could take fucking 10 minutes to get through.

01:04:23.980 --> 01:04:26.260
But if you're just there and fucking in the front

01:04:26.260 --> 01:04:29.380
row pissing just so you don't have to leave and

01:04:29.380 --> 01:04:31.019
not miss a show. Something's wrong with you,

01:04:31.539 --> 01:04:34.019
dude. Something's wrong. I might get one for

01:04:34.019 --> 01:04:37.519
the for this show, actually. Yeah, do that. And

01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:39.300
then I don't have to worry. Maybe they'll sponsor

01:04:39.300 --> 01:04:42.019
the show. I'll wear one, too. Fuck it. Oh, that's

01:04:42.019 --> 01:04:43.880
a good idea. Let's get them that work. Actually,

01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:46.460
we should come up with somebody to invent something

01:04:46.460 --> 01:04:49.099
for like a I guess they already have a catheter.

01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:50.980
I was going to say a tube I can hook up to my

01:04:50.980 --> 01:04:53.179
dick. Fuck that. I don't have a catheter. I'm

01:04:53.179 --> 01:04:54.860
literally. I'll take the diaper over the catheter.

01:04:55.300 --> 01:04:59.139
I'm good. Ditto, ditto. Yeah, catheter hurts.

01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.320
Bobby, anything real quick, because I'm not joking.

01:05:01.460 --> 01:05:04.030
I'm literally exploding here. If we have stuff

01:05:04.030 --> 01:05:05.929
I can put on a five minute bathroom break and

01:05:05.929 --> 01:05:07.690
come back. It'll only take me three minutes.

01:05:08.170 --> 01:05:11.710
I really I really don't have much. I want to

01:05:11.710 --> 01:05:14.469
show about the social media urging black people

01:05:14.469 --> 01:05:19.130
to stay home. Oh, for the hands off. Yeah. Yeah,

01:05:19.530 --> 01:05:23.429
this is the urging for the hands off protest.

01:05:23.510 --> 01:05:26.329
There was a whole slew of liberal social media

01:05:26.329 --> 01:05:29.110
telling black people to stay home. Like what

01:05:29.110 --> 01:05:34.000
is going on? Yeah. They say black folks on social

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.420
media are warning black Americans not to participate

01:05:37.420 --> 01:05:40.119
in an upcoming global protest against the Trump

01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.400
administration and Elon Musk. April 5th, thousands

01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:46.099
of people in the U .S. and around the world are

01:05:46.099 --> 01:05:49.480
preparing to protest. So that already happened.

01:05:49.579 --> 01:05:52.400
That already came and went. Yeah, it happened

01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:55.539
on Sunday or Saturday or whatever. Yeah. Right.

01:05:55.739 --> 01:05:58.199
Yeah. All right, boys. All right. Time for John.

01:05:59.960 --> 01:06:02.480
Chad, I'll text you after this to game plan shit.

01:06:02.860 --> 01:06:05.440
All right. Sounds good. Later, people. We love

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you guys. Thank you, everyone.