Jan. 21, 2026
K-Pop Demon Hunters (2025) The Courage To Be Real and The Impact of Shame on Identity | Film Deep Dive
What would actually change in your life if you believed you were allowed to be loved for who you are and not for who you are pretending to be?
Aaron and Brash unpack the hidden emotional power of K Pop Demon Hunters, a film that looks like flashy pop fantasy on the surface but is really a story about shame, masking, and the fear that if people saw the real you, they would leave.
They explore how the film frames demons as symbolic manifestations of insecurity and self loathing, and why the real battle is not external at all. It is the internal war between performance and authenticity. Through Rumi and Jinu’s arcs, the hosts break down how vulnerability reveals connection, why masking is exhausting and unhealthy, and how healing begins when you choose to be seen anyway.
Timestamps and Topics
00:00 Introduction to K-pop Demon Hunters
01:16 Synopsis and Themes of the Film
03:21 Cultural Impact and Audience Reception
09:29 Exploring Shame and Authenticity
17:15 Character Analysis: Rumi and Jinu
23:12 The Duality of Fame and Identity
30:18 Final Thoughts and Takeaways
Key Takeaways
- Shame convinces you that being seen will cost you love
- Masking might protect you short term but it damages connection long term
- Vulnerability is not weakness, it is the doorway to intimacy
- Your history explains you but it does not sentence you
- Healing begins when you tell the truth and trust others to stay
- Belonging is built through acceptance, not perfection
- Stories can help people reclaim what they love without apology
Quotes
“What would actually change in your life if you believed you were allowed to be loved for who you are and not for who you’re pretending to be?”
“I’m done hiding now, I’m shining like I’m born to be.”
“We can’t fix it if we don’t face it.”
“Between imposter and the monster, I’ve been lost inside my head.”
“Your history explains you. It doesn’t sentence you.”
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00:00 - Opening Question: Being Loved As You Are
01:06 - Podcast Welcome And Episode Focus
01:55 - Why This Film Surprised Everyone
03:35 - Plot And Themes: Dual Lives
05:48 - Community Voice: Why It Resonates
08:20 - Cultural Tropes And First Impressions
12:24 - Shame, Identity, And Friendship
16:18 - Records, Awards, And Rewatch Appeal
20:50 - The Anthem “Golden” And Its Meaning
25:40 - Confession, Fear, And Group Loyalty
30:40 - Negative Self-Talk And Healing
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What would actually change in your life if you believed you were allowed to be loved for who you are and not for who you're pretending to be?
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We will answer this question and more with the help of K Pop Demon Hunters.
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Welcome to the Phantom Portals Podcast, a podcast that proves that your favorite film has something to teach you.
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If you want more from the movies you watch, then you are in the right place.
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I'm Aaron, a teacher and film fan, and today I'm joined by Brash.
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Hello everyone.
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I am Brash.
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That he is, and this week we are looking at the harm that shame can do and the importance of authenticity in love and friendships as we dive deep into K-pop Demon Hunters.
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Through this movie and in this episode, we'll look into how vulnerability reveals connection, being loved for who you are and not who you pretend to be.
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And we'll also look at how your choices and not your history define you.
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There's chapter headings below for you to navigate through today's conversation, guys.
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But before we go any further, Brash, you're going to give us a brief synopsis of K-pop Demon Hunters.
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Guys, K-pop Demon Hunters is a vibrant genre of a blend that pairs glossy idol culture with the supernatural action, but beneath its neon colours and high-energy spectacles lies a surprisingly thoughtful meditation on identity, performance, and chosen family.
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At its core, the film follows a globally adored K-pop girl group who live double lives, flawless idols by day, secret demon hunters by night.
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This duality becomes the story's emotional engine.
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The constant switching between stage personas and true selves mirrors the pressures of idol life itself.
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Where perfection is demanded, vulnerability is hidden, and the authenticity is often sacrificed for survival.
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Fighting demons becomes more than a literal battle, it is a metaphor for confronting inner fears, self-doubt, and the expectations imposed by both fans and industry.
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The film's demons are not just external monsters, but symbolic manifestations of insecurity, isolation, and the cost of fame.
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Each character's struggle reflects the difference response to pressure, repression, rebellion, or self-sacrifice, or quiet resilience.
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Ultimately, K-pop Demon Hunters is about reclaiming agency in a world that demands constant performance.
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It argues that strength does not come from being untouched, being untouchable, but from embracing imperfection and learning on others when the burden becomes too heavy.
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What could have been a purely flashy concept instead becomes a heartfelt story about self-acceptance, solidarity, and the courage to be real even when the world expects you to be fullers.
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I think that last line really sums this up because K-pop Demon Hunters to me could have been something that was a joke to watch.
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And I think it's said best by one of our community members through our Phantom Pulse, which we'll get into now, our community voice.
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Screen Hub Web says that K-pop Demon Hunters is so universally liked because it has a story that speaks to people from all walks of life.
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And the movie I expected that the least from was a movie titled K-pop Demon Hunters.
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So for me, I think it was it's just a really big surprise of 2025, and it's actually run rampant across all of the different kinds of award shows, including the Billboard Hottest 100, the single Golden has just been number one for 20 weeks in a row at time of recording.
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It's one of the first movies to have, you know, Korean K-pop movies to have four uh singles in the Hottest 200 in their album run, with it had uh Golden, Your Idol, Soda Pop, and also how it's done simultaneously in the top 10.
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It's like breaking all these records, and it's the most unexpected thing that I have ever seen in my life.
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Brash.
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My partner Kalia asked me to watch this one, and at first I was resistant, as we spoke about in one of the episodes before, about how I nominated this as one of my best movies of the year.
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But having watched it a second time, gosh, it pulled me in.
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Definitely, definitely pulled me in.
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What were your thoughts on this movie when you first watched it?
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Uh see, I'm a big fan of K-dramas and all the like, and I saw a lot of uh sort of a lot of K-drama-ish ness stuff, like when the Soldier Boys first rock up, and it's all slow-mo.
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They do that a lot in Korean K-pop where like the hot guy walks in or the the yeah, the hot guy or the main character female, and it's all slow motion and something happens.
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Usually a female falls over and does something clumsy or something like that.
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But in in you'll use in K-drama, it's the uh guy who quickly like in slow motion swoops in and grabs her, but in this case, being a demon, he just decides to let her fall and brush his shoulder off.
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No, I I love paypoint demonizers, I'm not afraid to say it.
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I think a lot of people do a lot of people who don't like won't like this movie.
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Well I think they're just wrong.
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They are wrong.
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Oh, they are wrong.
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But I think I think they might be a little maybe a little less insecure, like a little less secure with themselves.
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Because they I think they think watching this is gonna turn them, I don't know, into some gooey person that can't have respect or something.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I I think it I think um that this movie, and as our very insightful viewer stated, that this movie is for everyone.
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Like it can reach everyone no matter what, no matter who you are or what you're going through.
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The whole point of this movie is just to say that it's okay to be true to yourself in what you like, what you do, who you are, and that there's always going to be people that you can lean on for support in the areas where you feel you lack.
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Yeah.
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And areas where you feel are the ugliest for yourself is what I've got out of it as well.
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Because I think our two title characters in Genu and also Rumi, they're dealing with some pretty intense feelings of shame based on their past or based on who they are heritage-wise.
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And I think, you know, you can look at that and and look at it through one lens, but uh, as you said, and as our viewer said, as Screen Hub Webb said, you can actually look at this through multiple lenses.
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And I've seen it looked at and analysed through lots of different people's perspectives before, and it works on multiple levels as well, which is really tricky to do.
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So it's probably one of the reasons why this movie has been streamed on Netflix over 375 million times.
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It is the most streamed movie on Netflix of all time at the time of recording in 2025.
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It has won a Golden Globe for best animated picture.
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The Oscars hasn't happened yet, but it's strongly favoured it to win that as well.
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And I think like it was the it was the movie that nobody saw coming to the point where, like, for me, my personal takeaway and the most valuable takeaway for me was that shame convinces us that we're unlovable as we are, but healing begins when we are allowed to show ourselves for who we are and choose to be seen anyway, which I think is is pretty common take from it from from looking at these two characters.
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I just want to touch on your point too, because you said it received 325 million uh views within its first 91 days.
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It's it makes it his most watched Netflix film.
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And what surprised me most is what film it's a past has the most viewed film on Netflix, which is Red One.
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Yeah.
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How?
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That was just my little tidbit I saw it.
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I was like, how is Red One the second most watched film?
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Well, we got the it's got a lot of I mean we talked about this before.
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It does have star power, huh?
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Yeah, and also it comes back around every year because people watch Christmas movies every year.
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That's why big stars do Christmas movies, because they're just like, man, I need a payday these holidays.
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Yeah, easy money.
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Bring them back in.
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Exactly.
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So, like, that's the thing that Red One would have that K-pop Demon Hunters doesn't, because it has that re-watchability in terms of a seasonal re-watchability.
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Every time Christmas comes around, people will watch Red One.
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Whereas K-pop Demon Hunters, you just gotta be in the vibe for some music.
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But you you can just, whenever you're feeling down, you can just watch K-pop Demon Hunters.
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Exactly.
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Whenever you're feeling like like self-loathing and like down on yourself, watch K K-pop Demon Hunters.
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Couldn't agree.
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Yeah.
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Sing Golden.
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All right.
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So let's touch on that MVT that we talked about here, jumping into our segment, because I think that shame plays a very big part in this movie brash in terms of its two biggest characters, to the point where the the title song Golden has a lot of informative lines, and I think it's released prior to the point where the characters actually realize themselves that they're needing some development in this area.
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I think when it's firstly released, it's very much aspirational to the characters that they they know that they're these people that are living two lives, and then know that they're trying to play both sides.
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And, you know, one of the key lines in the in the song is I'm done hiding now, I'm shining like I'm born to be.
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And I think that's the transition that Remy goes through in this movie, is that she wants to be seen for who she is, for everything that she is, and she even expresses that to Celine, her adoptive mother, in the scene where she's actually asking her why she never loved her.
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And Celine says to her, I did love you.
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And I think she does.
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I think she genuinely cared, but she's coming from a point and a position where she's going about it the very much wrong way.
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And Rumi actually says, No, all of me.
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I want you to love all of me.
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Yeah, and I think I'll but I also think that's partially because of the way that like even the past demon hunters were brought up.
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Because if you hear like how uh Mira and Zoe both talk, they're like anything with anything with the the marks dies.
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Yeah.
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Like it's steadfast, no gray area, black and white.
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And I think it's so ingrained in the demon hunter, the demon hunter sort of culture club culture that even as much as she may have like loved her and cared for her, there was always that sort of demon hunter culture in her that was like also she's a demon.
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Yeah, and she couldn't fully love what she was.
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She's loved what what she hopefully could be.
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I think that was what with Golden 2, her line where she's saying, like, I'm done hiding, because I think and how she lost her voice.
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And I don't think it was because the lines were encroaching on her or anything.
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I think it was because she was lying to herself in the song, because uh she was saying that she's done hiding, but it wasn't that she was done hiding.
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She was hoping that once this song came out and the everything was sweet and good, she would lose the lines and then she'd be fine, which I think was a lie that she lied, like a lie that she created for herself to try and help her get through or help her justify it.
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Absolutely.
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And I think that's mirrored by Ginu too, because he well, he's told by Rumi that, you know, once the Honmoon is established and you're on this side of the Honmoon, then you you don't have to go back, you know, all of the bad parts of you will be shared.
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And I think that's going back to what we said about how you can view this from from multiple lenses, like I think I'm not from any sort of culture that subscribes to this, but I know that some cultures have a lot of parental pressure to perform and achieve.
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So you could look at it through that lens and say that that's very hard for these characters to escape, or you could even look at it through like a homosexuality lens where you know it's very hard or it can be hard for people that experience that to show who they truly are in the culture that they've been raised in.
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And I think that it really speaks to multiple people on multiple levels, where it talks about that that fear, that universal fear, where it says that if people knew who you really were, then they'd leave, which is what Rumi's fear is, especially in terms of her her friends, in terms of Zoe and in terms of of Mira.
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Because on the surface, they look like really supportive friends that have been through so much together.
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But as you said, the dialogue that goes through them, they're very culturally ingrained to hate demons.
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And if if Rumi is actually one of those demons, then obviously that message would subscribe onto her too.
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However, I think through the whole movie, and I think you can agree as well, if a lot of the time I was just begging Rumi herself to just tell them because I thought that they loved her more than they hated demons, which I think was the message that Rumi eventually discovered in the end as well when she finally came clean.
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Because I think for me, watching the scene where it was revealed, I feel like Mira and Zoe weren't hurt at the fact that she was a demon.
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They were hurt at the fact that she concealed it and lied to them about it.
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And yeah, that's exactly my take from it, because I think Rumi believes that her mistakes disqualify her from love or that her heritage disqualifies her from love.
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But what she doesn't take into consideration is the choices of her friends in that in that moment.
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Yeah, I I I do like 100% agree that I think it was more also the lie that tipped him over, but you could also see like sort of like the fear, like as soon as like when she yelled and like it sent out the shockwave, uh, you could see sort of the fear, and then that's when sort of Mira pulled out her weapon, and then Zoe also hesitantly pulled out her weapons as well and pointed at her like she was just another monster that they had to fight.
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So then that's also I think the ingrained culture that they've been being saturated with their entire pretty much young life.
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So I think it's a bit of a two-way situation.
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At first it was like the fact that she lied, but then because she is a demon and they meant to, well, she's half demon, they don't know if she was full or half, but uh at the time, but yeah, the fact that they pulled their weapons on her is that ingrained demon hunter culture in action.
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And I think the only reason why they didn't probably attack her is the fact that they are family, and they had that history as well.
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But I think I think you hit the nail on the head there when you talked about fear because in in this is part of the movie as well, and and throughout the the entire space of the movie, fear plays a very big part, and fear and shame are very closely connected.
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So, for example, Rumi Rumi thinks that that fear says well everybody thinks that fear says something bad might happen.
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Whereas for Rumi, the shame is that that bad thing is actually you.
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So she believes that she is the bad thing that's going to happen, and the fear of that bad thing coming to be is what her friends sort of react to.
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But that message is solidified in her through her self-talk.
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Like she's always thought of herself and these parts of her as being not worthy to show to anybody.
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And when her friends sort of hold weapons up to her and point their violence towards her in that way, it sort of reinforces that negative self-talk that she's been having.
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And especially afterwards, where Guima actually says, you know, you've come here like this, you think you can fix the world and you can't even fix yourself.
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And then everyone can finally see what you truly are, and he's trying to sort of goad her in that way.
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And that's what the what Ginu says as well, in terms of the demons, you know, all we have is our shame, all we do is feel and remember our shame and remember the past mistakes that we are, and we ruminate on that.
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And I think that's like a very dark space for people to be in mentally, but more so, I think that that represents this negative self-talk that a lot of people go through as well, because it goes back to that idea where you make all these mistakes and you see yourself through this lens of not being worthy or not being lovable because of the things that you've done.
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But I think acceptance comes from that vulnerability, and it's extremely hard to do because most of the time people are ashamed of things that they never, never really want to share.
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But part of that sort of accountability comes from voicing that that shame and then also living through that and trusting those that you love to stick around with you.
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Because for me at least, if I saw somebody who'd made a few mistakes and they were actively trying to work on it, I'd want to be around that person more than I would want to be around the person who I find out is hiding the secret and continuing to live the double life or the lie.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, 100%.
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Can end up being a very dark place to live in, which I think it really emphas is really emphasizing this movie, is like especially with the demons, and as you said, how they are just um are constant constantly reminded of their failures and of their fears and are stuck in this void.
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And I feel a lot of people have been in that same situation where they felt so weighed down with just life that they can't see a way to get through it.
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Um the best thing they can do, um and a lot of people don't do and should do is lean on others and help them out.
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It's not a bad thing to ask for help.
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I know it's always thrown around a lot and sort of made it be a sort of bit of a joke, but uh if you're ever in sort of that sort of trouble, like reaching out is the best thing you can possibly do.
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I couldn't agree more because you know, vulnerability reveals connection in a lot of times.
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And also the moment in this movie that Rumi drops that mask when Ginu is around is the moment that it stops being like a fantasy and becomes a real sort of love story for me.
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Especially during the song called Free, where Rumi is talking about the fact that they can just be who they are around each other, and it's so easy to talk to you because Ginu knows Rumi's Rumi's secret that she's part demon.
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And the funny thing about this is I feel like Rumi is embodying a really honest portrayal of that vulnerability and owning that shame and trying to be loved for exactly who she is in an honest way.
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Whereas Ginu is he's almost telling half truths, or not really telling half truths, but he's telling a portion of the truth and leaving that little grain of secret or shame that he refuses to tell.
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Of course, I'm talking about the fact that he tells Rumi that his family was left behind and he got to live in the palace and was treated like a king, where in fact he made the choice to leave them behind and was treated like a king himself.
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So Jeannie's showing these, like he wants the benefits of this confession that you can go through, but he's withholding the most important part about his healing.
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Like the film repeatedly shows that the shame through what the characters don't say.
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So in the scene where they're actually talking about it for the first time, the animators do a brilliant job of showing Genie's face telling those half-truths because you can see him like halt on his words, or you can see the character like look to the left or or look down when he's mentioning particular things, which obviously indicates that he's withholding some some information here.
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But for me, between those two, I feel like Rumi's vulnerability allows her to be seen through that genuine authenticity, whereas Gino takes that little bit longer, and obviously he's been within that culture of oppression through the demon world for for longer than Rumi has.
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And he obviously has that self-loathing embedded into his person.
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And you can also see him revert back to that in times of crisis too, and he says some things that he doesn't really like that he's regretful of and remorseful of afterwards.
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But yeah, I think Rumi does a much better job of showing that vulnerability than Ginu does, at least initially.
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Yeah, and so that and back to my point too with them between the two her being open and then like finding Ginu to lean on and talk about things, it it does free her up, she gets her voice back.
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Where Gino, on the other hand, he doesn't fully commit and still falls and like still falls into that pit and is pulled back in.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And that uh so that emphasizes the fact that you need to, when you do ask for help, you need to be honest and you need to become out, otherwise it's not gonna work.
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Yeah, and I think Gino is halfway there because in that song three, he does mention those lyrics where he says, Between imposter and the monster, I've been lost inside my head.
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There ain't no choices where these voices keep on pointing to no end.
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And he talks about how and in the chorus it says, We can't fix it if we don't face it.
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And I think, as you said, Rumi jumps into that facing it part as she's confronting her friend.
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And telling her honest truth, whereas Gino's a little bit more uh reserved with the way that he sort of holds it back until the end, where he sort of allows people to see his soul, and then he gives that soul as a symbolic gesture.
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I feel like he like Rumi knows him completely, so he gives his soul to her as he is being like torn apart or whatever happens at the end there.
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But yeah, I think he's Rumi and Gino's scenes work because Rumi is emotionally honest and there's no heroics in that moment because there is that issue of the the sort of double life that is seen here, especially through Rumi's side as the pop star, but then through Ginu's side, it's the it's the pop star and the demon because they have those alternate sort of modes as well.
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But you even see in this like throughout the whole movie, when the Sojo Boys come around, they don't hide from the crowds ring, they get in amongst it, where you just see whenever any of the Hunters go out, whenever they're out, they're always hooded up, masked on, like hiding from everyone else.
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And then you see at the end when they're like a soft-hour break, and then they're like, Oh, break's over, and then they just walk out and start interacting with all the people without without all the glitz and glamour and without hide trying to hide themselves, and they're like they're fully sort of they're fully accepting themselves and allowing everyone to see them.
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Yeah, and allowing fans to see them for who they are and hoping they'll like them for who they are, which they obviously do.
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But I also think there's a subtext there that you could dive well deeper into about how these three girls, the Hunter X pop stars, you never see them take a rest, and it's almost comically so where they're talking about the bathhouse, and you know, Zoe's always saying, Don't let this ruin your opinion of the bathhouse roomy because we have to come here and relax sometime, but they're never off the clock.
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So it's almost like there's that sort of subtext that you could look into as well, where that life that they're having is extremely stressful to the point where they have no no time to do that inner work on themselves until they actually make it intentional.
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So I also think that was like another way that you could look at this film, but yeah, like like instead of like instead of working and then taking a break to try and recharge, their break is for them to just go out and be themselves.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well that's that's very true as well.
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I didn't even think about it that way.
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Because I think that them being true to-cause also also having to hide themselves to try and be sneakier and all the time that'd be uh take its toll as well, on top of all all the performing and they have to do and all the interviews and everything else and red carpets and like they make it a funny scene, but I think it's also a prominent scene too when they talk about how Mira went to the red carpet or whatever what it was in the sleeping bag.
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But the thing is she was completely covered up, except for a title hole she could see through.
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Yeah.
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Like even when they're going out, they're still hiding themselves from like they're hiding their all like they're hiding parts of themselves from the audience the whole time, no matter what, which emphasizes that duality of their lifestyle of being a hunter and being a pop star.
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But then that's not the only duality, it's really a triangle.
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So they've got their hunt hunter side, they've got the pop star side, and then they've just got girls wanting to just be girls, big girls, and they're like I think so.
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I I think at the end that part was missing the whole time, and it's just either hunters k pop stars, hunters, k-pop stars, there's no time for themselves.
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And then at the end of it, they're like, we just need to be ourselves and have time for ourselves.
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That's when they're like, Oh, break time's over because now we get to get to be us, and then they walk out into the street and just interact.
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Yeah.
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And going back to that point we made about that duality of fame and talking about Gino as well, you know, he gives up everything for for fame because he's obviously a musician on the street who then gets noticed, and then he trades all that in.
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He loses his grounding in his family, and he exists in this space of shame and regret immediately afterwards, where he can't really look at that anymore without feeling that that vile sort of repulsion towards the decisions that he's made.
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And it kind of sets up that moral idea that your your choices after you make a mistake matter more than your choices that you made when you made the mistake.
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So moving on from that, if we're looking at Ginu's actions after that, and you know, I've always sort of compared that to the to the to the point of who you are now and the choices that you make and your intentions behind that that growth and development, is it reminds us that like sometimes self-identifying as these these people that are really vulnerable, it takes some courage and reducing that armor and stripping it away is also like a really authentic act.
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And I think Ginu doesn't fully get there in the end, but I feel like he does end up bearing his soul, like literally, to to Rumi in the end, because he he even says, you know, you you gave me my soul back, and now I give it to you.
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So he's he's also got that duality of that sort of pop star.
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Yeah, except uh unfortunately for him it was sort of ended ended the opposite way of how they did.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, but that's the thing as well, like he's not redeemed, I think, in this story by by fixing his past.
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Like he doesn't go back and fix what he did with his his mother and his sister, but he is healed because he faces his past.
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And the resolution doesn't erase Genu's mistakes in any way, and it doesn't erase Rumi's fear of being exposed as being part demon either, but it reframes their identity as you're not defined by your worst choice, and you're not defined by what you choose to do after that choice, and you're also not defined by what your fears are.
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And I think that's the important thing that you can you can talk to in this as well, is that I really think that Hunter wins not because they were destined to, but because they chose each other in that moment.
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And a lot of the performances and the songs that they do, cinematography-wise, you can see at the end when they're starting to reveal themselves to one another and they're walking along that stage towards the middle, and they just pull out weapons and start fighting all these demons.
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You can see them like obviously fighting their own battles, literally fighting their demons to connect with one another in the middle, and then they're surrounded by this luminous light, which represents obviously the warmth of connection when they end up hugging and embracing each other once more and becoming authentic with one another.
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And it happens similarly when um Ginu and Rumi do the song free once again, when they sort of lift off of that platform and go into this spectral universe of bubble and light and beautiful colours, and you can see the panoramic shot of them like twirling around each other as they're coming closer and closer together, becoming more and more vulnerable.
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But then as that song ends, it sort of reframes back into the the real life, the everyday, and all the tones and the colours get a lot darker because we know that Gino is still sort of withholding that element of himself.
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And you know, the thing about this movie is we look at Rumi's transition into being a more authentic version of herself and being vulnerable, is like the end goal statically, but it isn't it is for real life purposes, it is like an ongoing thing that you have to really work at because a lot of these patterns, and obviously in Rumi's case as well, it was indoctrinated since she was a child.
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Like she was taught to mask since she was a child, with Celine pulling her sleeves down and asking her not to show her marks, and Rumi obviously asking all these questions as well about her heritage.
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I think that it's it's a really tough thing to do because it can be ingrained so deeply into your person that you do believe it's who you are instead of believing it's just that part of you.
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Yeah, which I think she accepts at the end.
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And I as you said like in her thing, she came, she pretty much she showed everyone who she was, and in that story, case closed, everything was all good and happy.
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Whereas like I think in reality, more so it's a constant thing you have to work on.
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And something that has you can't like you can't just say, tell someone that tell someone your issue and then oh everything's fixed.
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It's something that like will still need to be worked on and looked at.
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But I think this is a it's a good first step, like like a good push into the first step you need to take watching this movie, because you you sort of see it and you're like, Okay, so the first thing I need to do is this to start healing.
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Yeah, yeah, is open up.
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But like you could say it in this corny way, you could say, like, K-pop demon hunters isn't just about slaying demons, it's about slaying the fear that you have to be perfect to be loved, because obviously everybody's made mistakes, and the film becomes a voice for people that sort of crave that authenticity, and it's all about the fact that growth isn't shedding your past, but owning the choices and letting people love you and being motivated by that growth and seeing it not as a weakness, but seeing it as making you who you are.
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Like strength isn't hiding your flaws, it's loving yourself anyway through that.
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So very powerful.
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It'd almost be almost be saying slaying the demons inside.
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Yeah.
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And you know what?
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I can see this a lot around me in the world, just like even on social media and even in our friendship group, because you can see fundamentally a rise in like nerd culture all around.
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Whereas I don't know what your high school experience was or or what any sort of people listening to high school experience was, but liking the things that we're literally talking about on this podcast now sometimes wasn't the popular thing.
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And it could get you in a lot of like social strife, social suicide, as some people say, because I and I think the fact that that nerd culture is is rising in popularity is a lot of people in the world are saying, you know, stuff what everybody else thinks.
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I love this, and my voice is going to be heard, just like Rumi's voice is is heard at the end of the movie.
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And I think that's a really proud place for us to be.
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I know that lots of people have lots of places to go in terms of their own personal journey, but even that small little thing where people are like reclaiming the things that they love and sharing them openly is a really big step in doing this and improving how you feel about your yourself as well.
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Yeah, and I'll I I think 2000 it's as as bad as like I'm gonna say, as bad as the world has been lately, especially last year and even into this year, like some of the best things that come out of like that have come out lately have been like last year.
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Like you look at K4 Hunters and its message, Superman, the new Superman and its message.
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Yeah.
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Like so many inspiring and just thoughtful movies have been coming out lately.
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You know, I think that more people need to like make sure that they see and look and take in the messages and sort of transfer those messages into their own daily lives.
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Because at the moment, I think um the world's a bit hurt and needs a bit of healing.
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Yeah, and I think as we've said before on this podcast, culturally movies fill that space where people need something universally, whether it be an escape or an answer or something to look up to or something to look forward to.
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And I think you're right, 2025 delivered a lot of movies in that vein, especially like this one, K-pop Demon Hunters, does a lot for shrinking shame and showing safe connection with friends and trusted uh trusted connection.
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