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Hi docs, Welcome to the EntreMD podcast, where it's all about helping amazing physicians just like you embrace entrepreneurship so you can have the freedom to live life and practice medicine on your terms.
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I'm your host, Dr Imna.
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We have a doctor in private practice who has a practice where her overhead is so high, her revenue is a lot less and she thinks that her private practice is at risk of failing.
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And so today, what we're going to do is take a look at this practice, come up with a diagnosis, fix the practice and give this doctor a strategy she can start working with and, right away, start seeing wins in her practice and, over time, bring it from a place where it goes from almost failing to completely thriving.
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Okay, so we're going to look at this private practice.
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This is going to be a lot of fun If we haven't met before.
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My name is Dr Una.
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I'm a pediatrician by training.
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I have been in private practice for the last 15 years and at this point I've technically exited my practice, if you will.
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My practice is team-led and it's been that way for the last five years.
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And then I'm the founder of EntreeMD.
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I help doctors build profitable businesses so they have the freedom to live life and practice medicine on their terms.
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I am a huge advocate for private practice.
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Private practice is not dead.
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The old playbooks are and, yes, we have a lot of systemic problems in the healthcare space.
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But until we have enough empowered physicians who can then stand up to the system, we are going nowhere.
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Okay, so I fully understand there's a lot of things to fix, but you know, when you get on a plane, they tell you, if the pressure goes low, oxygen masks are going to come down.
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You're going to put it on yourself first and then you're going to put it on others, okay, so this is us putting the oxygen mask on ourselves, okay, all right.
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So when this doctor told me this, I said okay, I want you to think about the top five things that are creating this financial pressure and financial challenge you have in your private practice.
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And she sent me these five things, so we're going to troubleshoot these five things, okay.
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So the first thing was you know my reimbursement right from the insurance company.
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So this is insurance-based.
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Private practice is low and slow.
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Okay, so it's low and slow.
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Money coming in, and we know money coming in.
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That's like the blood, if you will, of the private practice and all of those things.
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So this is something that we absolutely need to fix, okay.
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So she gave me some context.
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She said there's a large discrepancy between insurance carriers, and so you know.
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So some pay you know well and some pay very poorly.
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She said I've already stopped taking Medicaid.
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There are thousands of outstanding dollars after the first year with Medicaid, and then it's considered letting go of TRICARE.
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Okay, and again, because of low reimbursements and all of those things, and so this is something that absolutely needs to be fixed.
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When you think about the practice revenue, anything touching it is like something touching your aorta, like once you bleed from there you're bleeding out, right.
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So this is something very serious.
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We want to look into it and we want to fix it.
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So I came up with some recommendations for her.
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Okay, these are things that she can consider.
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These are things that she can do.
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Some of them will work fairly quickly.
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Some of them will work over time.
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I don't think that any of these strategies really that she shouldn't employ.
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Okay, so the first one I said is looking into joining a network that manages contracting.
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Okay, so, like an IPA, an independent physician association, or PHO, a physician hospital organization, you know, like one of these, and this is if she's not already a part of it.
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And why is that?
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Well, because these organizations have a pool of physicians within them.
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They're usually able to negotiate for better rates.
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Okay, so there's so many people who have had significant bumps in their revenue just because they went from contracting directly to contracting with an IPA right Now.
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So if she hasn't done this, this will be a really great thing to consider.
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Chances are that it's not going to bring an immediate turnaround, because it's going to be a process to go through them and all of those kinds of things, but it's something that, yes, it will bring a lot of transformation.
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Now I will say with this, because it has to do with your money and the entire revenue of your practice, you do want to choose carefully, right, everybody's going to sell you a good game.
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They're going to say, when you come on, we'll do this, we'll do that, blah, blah, blah.
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They'll make all the promises in the world and I'm going to challenge you to find three to five people who are using that IP or using that PHO and go find out from them what the real deal is.
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Right, so you want to get references.
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It doesn't have to be from the company.
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It can be from the company or the organization, or you can get them directly like who's part of this network, who's part of this network?
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And you go interview and have real conversations.
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Okay, do not take anything at face value.
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This is something that we do as physicians and something we want to walk away from doing.
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Okay, something we want to walk away from doing, which is, whatever they said, we just believe them, don't.
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You're an entrepreneur now.
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That's not what we do.
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Trust, but verify, right.
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Okay.
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So that's the first recommendation for reimbursement being low and slow.
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The second one is to audit the distribution of patients and insurance in the practice.
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Data is a very beautiful thing because data will show you like data preaches to you.
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You see, the data automatically becomes obvious what needs to happen, right.
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And so you want to think like what are the top three insurances my patients use?
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You want to know what that number is.
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You want to know what those insurance companies are.
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You want to have a feel for it.
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But, more importantly, you want to know, like, based on the fee scale, you want to organize them from best paying to lowest paying, right.
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And then you ask yourself a question for the lowest paying ones Am I even making money on them, or is every?
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Do I lose money with every visit Because we've had to drop some insurances because they would pay us lower?
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Or the exact amounts that the vaccines cost?
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And I'm like, if you pay me the exact amount that the vaccines cost, I am losing money with each vaccine I give because I have to buy the vaccine, I have to store the vaccine, I have to pay staff to process the vaccine, I have to do all of these things and so, yeah, and we have vaccine wastage.
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I'm losing money on that.
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And so you are an insurance company that is too expensive for me to be in network with, like you're too expensive because you cost me money, right.
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And so you have to look like, am I losing money?
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Or I'm just not getting as much?
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Like, what is it right?
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If you know like, and then you want to consider dropping some.
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If you need to drop them, right, if you need to drop them because it's a business decision.
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But you want to look and then you find out that most of your patients are with a very poor paying insurance company, then the question then becomes do I close the panel and market really hard and change the distribution?
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Now, this doesn't mean change the philosophy of your practice.
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For instance, my private practice is 60%, is about 60% Medicaid, and at a point it was even higher.
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And I'm okay with it because that's what I wanted.
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I, you know, I wanted a practice where I could people who had really good insurance and people who had Medicaid they, you know, they could come, they get treated really well, they have a great experience.
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They have access to a doctor.
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We had same day appointments, we had like all kinds of fun stuff.
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I wanted them to have that.
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Now, what it means is I was also aware that I was playing a volume game.
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I, you know, like I didn't lie to myself.
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You can't say I want to take Medicaid and I want to see one patient an hour.
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Those two things cannot coexist.
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The business will die.
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It will die a sure death, right.
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And so I'm like okay, I want to do that.
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So the question then becomes how can I go through the volume and do it in such a way that it's still a very personalized experience where they felt like they were heard and all of that?
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Then I had to come up with the strategies for people to have a great experience, even though then I'm not sitting with them for an hour.
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Do you see what I'm saying Like?
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So it doesn't mean find the people, drop everybody.
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That's not what it means.
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But if you don't have the data, you don't know.
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So I have 10,000 patients, wonderful Top three insurance companies used by those 10,000 patients.
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You want to know what that is.
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Then you want to have the insurance companies top to bottom, from best paying to lowest paying and lowest paying is it lowest paying, like I'm making a little profit, or is it lowest pain, like I'm losing money?
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If you're losing money, you got to drop them.
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You got to drop them.
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Okay, all right.
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So that's the second thing we want to do, this audit of the distribution.
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The third thing for this person, because her specialty lends to it, is I'm like, but you want to consider some cash-based services and chances are, this doctor has either been thinking of it or maybe has some cash-based services, but they haven't necessarily been promoted and stuff like that.
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And the reason why I brought this up because, with what this practice is going through, it does seem like having an immediate cash injection would be really good for the practice, and so if they're cash-based verticals that already exist, we want to go hard on those.
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If they don't exist I mean for this person's specialty there are many that can just exist.
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They can start today because this person is equipped to do them.
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They're hot topics, all of those things, so they can do them.
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Why Immediate cash flow and higher margins?
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Right, because you don't need the bill or you don't need this.
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There are a lot of things that you don't need, so I would do that because and someone may say, oh, but this is so businessy, we're just going to bring these services because of the cash.
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No, we're going to bring the services because it'd be high value to her people and it will bring cash.
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And if you're in private practice, I don't want you to continue to be thrown off by the need to make money, because for your practice to stay open, you need to make money.
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We need to stop pretending, we need to stop acting like this is not an important thing.
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I am fully aware that one of the best ways I serve my patients is by staying profitable, because if I'm not profitable, I have to go away.
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Okay, okay, so that's that's.
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The third recommendation is to lean into some cash-based services.
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Okay, again, cash injection, because this practice, we need to get cash in.
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The fourth thing is I would prioritize services that increase the cashflow, and I'll explain what I mean by that.
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Okay, so let's say, for instance, in my private practice, if we say, oh, it looks like the next two weeks that we have open spots and stuff and we need to do something to fill our schedule, so we need to be proactive as opposed to reactive.
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Okay, and I have.
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Let's say, I have 300 patients who are overdue for well checks.
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Okay, now I know that I can't see all 300.
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So what are we going to do?
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We are going to call the people with the better paying insurance and we're going to get them in.
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What is that going to do?
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It's going to give me a better cash flow.
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Now, you might say, but what of all the other people?
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Well, in my practice, we happen to have a routine schedule for sending out reminders to make appointments.
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So they have all had reminders, every last one of them.
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Okay, we also do not let people leave the office without scheduling appointments.
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So for them not to have an appointment, it means that they canceled the appointment or they no-showed for an appointment and we have not been able to reach them.
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Okay, so are we reaching out to everybody?
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We are, but if I want to go hard and put staff time behind bringing people in, I am going to leverage what will be a bigger win-win situation for all of us.
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Okay, all right.
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So for this doctor, you have to be aware.
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You have to be aware.
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The services that I offer, top to bottom, from biggest revenue generator to least revenue generator, do you do all of them, sure, but in a situation like this, where we're like, oh, my goodness, something needs to give, you want to prioritize those.
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You're available for everything, but you prioritize those, okay, all right Again, if this makes you feel like, but it's about the patient, of course it's about the patient.
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That means you're treating people differently.
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No, no, no, no, we're not, we're not.
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But seeing patients is the responsible thing for a doctor to do, and keeping the practice profitable is a responsible thing for a doctor to do.
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They're both responsible things.
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So we're doing both.
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Okay, all right.
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The fifth recommendation there I have is maximize daily productivity.
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Now, this is so, so, so, so important.
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Okay, I will give an example.
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I was talking to a doctor, someone that I really have a lot of respect for, and all of that stuff.
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She's running a practice, she built it from scratch, she's doing an amazing job.
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And then, while we were talking, she says you know, I don't want to get burned out.
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I want to see a certain number of patients every day, you know, because that's what I want to see.
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Okay, and then I said so.
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And then she went on and I said wait, wait, what is that number?
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How many patients do you want to see and I asked this question because I know she's an insurance based model and so she says I want to see 14 patients a day.
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No, your reimbursement is probably not more than $150 per visit.
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So I'm like, okay, we're going to do some math here.
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Okay, so 150, I didn't use 150, I used 100 on that day because the math was easier.
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But let's do the real math.
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Okay, 150 times 14 is 2100.
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So I mean that your cap with you as the doc there, your cap is 2100 a day.
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Okay, and you multiply that by 260, you're at $546,000.
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Now when I did the math with 100, it was $364,000,.
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Okay, so you're at $546,000 before overhead.
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That's the cap.
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If your practice is like 60% overhead, which is not unusual, your 60% overhead puts you at 327,600.
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So the question is then becomes what's left?
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Right, what's left?
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So this is what we need to look at.
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You have to know what the numbers say.
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You have to know what the numbers say.
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So when I did it with her and did the math at a hundred, I said you're at $364,000.
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That's the cap.
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That's the most your practice can bring in before overhead.
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Before paying you before any profit, you have to be sure that you're okay with that number.
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You see what I'm saying.
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So for this doctor, I would actually have her look like look back on the last two weeks on the last month.
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How many patients are you seeing every day?
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Look back on the last two weeks on the last month.
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How many patients are you seeing every day?
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What is the maximum amount of revenue you can create with that?
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Are you having more no-shows than you thought?
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Are you seeing less volume than you thought?
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With the volume that you are seeing, what is the max per day?
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Because if that max per day is a number that you don't want, something needs to give.
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Do you see what I'm saying?
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If we don't do the math, bad things happen, okay.
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So this is part of the reason why we use in my private practice, we use Practice Pilot, okay.
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So Practice Pilot is a financial tracking software for private practices and when you create, when you go in there, one of the things you would do is it will have you put your average reimbursement per patient, okay, and then you create, when you go in there, one of the things it would do is it will have you put your average reimbursement per patient, okay, and then you will set what your goal is.
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So if you say my revenue goal for this year is I want to bring in 2 million, now, based on your average reimbursement per patient, it will tell you how many patients you need to see.
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And if you say, no, I don't want to see that number, I want to see this number, it will show you how much revenue you can generate.
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And once you see those, there's just something about seeing the data that lets you know like, wait, I don't like that number.
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And then, if you don't like the number, the average reimbursement needs to change or the volume of patients needs to something, something needs to give.
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Okay, so I would have this doctor do the math with the way you're functioning, what is the potential amount of revenue your practice can bring in every day?
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This is a number you want to know.
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Okay, all right.
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So that was the first thing.
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That was the first thing.
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My reimbursements were low and slow, okay.
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Second thing my AR is out of control.
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Okay, my AR is out of control.
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So when we looked at this, okay, this was the number, this is the number that she gave me.
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Okay, she said over over 90 days.
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So from from over 60 days was almost 80% of her revenue.
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90 to 120 days was 38% of her revenue.
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She has a lot of revenue sitting in her AR, a lot of it and for older practices you may have that because maybe you have bad debt from years and years and years.
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So you're over 120 is bloated.
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She's in her second year.
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She's in her second year of practice, right, and so to have that number, I would definitely make the assumption that my biller is not doing a good job.
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You can even make the assumption that maybe your fund desk people are not doing a good job, maybe the insurance eligibility, I don't know.
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But there are things that you're going to.
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Okay, we need to look here Now.
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So these are the recommendations I have based on that.
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First of all, I'm like you have to treat this as a matter of urgency and I would think of it like somebody's bleeding out.
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You're a surgeon, you have somebody on the operating table and this person is bleeding out.
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Nobody's like calm and collected and whatever.
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Like we have something to fix.
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Okay, so we're not frazzled, but there's urgency.
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Okay.
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When you have AR like this this early in the game, there's urgency.
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This needs to be fixed.
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It means the practice is bleeding out.
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What that means is you know we have this thing of if we're seeing a lot of patients, that means you know if we're really busy, it means the practice is working.
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No, no, no.
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The evidence of the practice working is in the bank account, because the fact that you saw a patient doesn't mean you got paid for seeing the patient.
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It doesn't mean that at all.
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After seeing the patient, there are processes that need to happen before you get paid.
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So this is what I have for her Treat this as a matter of urgency.
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Treat it like there's somebody in the OR on the table bleeding out.
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If you know the level of urgency you have with that, you're still calm because you have the strategy.