The Client Files: Kayli

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Note this is done in Descript, so it’s not accurate, but hopefully will be helpful.

Amy: we want to welcome today, Kaylee. Welcome. Client from the Dead Files. Welcome Kaylee. Hi. Thank you. Hi. And your episode was called Darkness Rises. Correct? Correct. Yes. Okay. And we, this is the episode that we covered in our season premiere. Episode 93, I believe it was.

And so it's been a bit since we've talked about it.

 Anyway, one of the things that, oh, I'm Amy. We have the other Amy AP here and then Megan and

Megan: nice to meet you.

Amy: So we want to, I guess we, I always want to preface everything by saying, anything that you're willing to talk about is cool by us. Anything you're not willing to talk about, absolutely cool by us too.

It's all up to you, whatever you are comfortable with. You're going to be kind of driving the interview, so you don't have to run everything. I just want you to know, but like

Megan: talking points, the talking points. Yeah. So if we ask you a question and you're not comfortable. Totally fine to say, you know, I really don't want to talk about that.

Yeah.

Amy: So. Tell us to ask something else. I can't think of anything I would ask you that would be, I don't know about these three, but, or these two, but, but the, I guess the most You don't know my mind. It's true, I do not. The thing that I want to make sure that we cover, is if there's anything that you would like people to know that, that like, like our, the last one we did said that her looks like a piece.

What's going on with me? I don't know. You're like some incense. My, you know what my I haven't

AP: touched it at all. It's my upper camera. I just switched over. Yeah, it did. And it, it, it flipped out. It freaked out. Like the green and red lights

Amy: were going. Now your voice just changed too. It did. It

AP: disconnected my microphone too.

Amy: Yeah, it did. You better light some incense. Sage

Megan: that shit. Sage that shit. Where's your candle? Yeah.

Amy: Where's your sage that shit candle?

 We have gremlins sometimes. Yeah, we do. I just want to make sure that if there's anything that. Happened in your episode, anything that. Maybe came out wrong or different or not what you, if you know, because the last person that we interviewed, it has not aired yet.

The first thing she said is they got everything wrong. They changed the story. They made up shit. They made me look bad. Okay, good. Because I'm not good, but. I want you to be able to talk about that and like clear the air

We had a lot of tech problems with this episode. The first thing is that AP's camera started glitching and then her mic just crapped out. And that's what happened here. That's what you just heard. Normally, I would just cut all of this out, but since there is a slight chance that it's paranormal, it is the only explanation, I left some of these in.

This happens at least two more times throughout the recording.

And scramblings. It's not, I'm sure it's nothing you did. There's just some weird shit. Right. So anyways, like we were saying, Kaylee, is there anything? That you want to let us know, let our listeners know about your episode before we kind of get into, you know, asking you questions and stuff.

Megan: It sounds like they got it all wrong for you too.

Amy: This

AP: is. A weird day

Amy: everyone. Oh my god. Is the moon void of course or something?

1. Welcome. Thanks for joining us again. This will be really fun to edit. We're so sorry. It's okay. We're so sorry. We're having a little technical issues here. Hopefully we can get this going in as soon as it Is

AP: your shirt a Buffalo Bills sweatshirt?

Kayli: Yeah, kind of. It says Buffalo Girl on it. So

Amy: yeah. Okay. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Cause you live in New York where it's near Buffalo? Yes. Nice. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So what we have established is that Kaylee has some tea. Yeah. I do. Okay. So what do you want our listeners to know about your episode and things that they wouldn't know just by watching it?

Megan: Or misconceptions that were presented via how the dead files showed your episode.

Kayli: Well, first I want to start by the crew. Very nice. They are very nice. Oh,

Megan: we've heard that. We've heard that from everybody we talked to, that the crew is really nice. Yeah. The

Kayli: crew, especially there's like three guys, Rob, Alex, and Wolf, the nicest guys you will ever meet.

Cool. And they were great with my daughter. So I will say that's

Megan: a positive. That's a huge

Amy: positive.

Kayli: Yeah, exactly. And especially because my daughter was recorded for the episode. It really helped with them being nice and helpful. But they definitely, misconstrued a lot of things. There was a when we watched the episode where they talk about the babysitter from, I believe, the late 1800s, they didn't even tell us that.

We had no idea that was a thing. What? Yeah, we didn't know that even, we didn't know until we watched the show. They left out a whole person that was I guess, like, haunting the home. Yeah. And they made it look like it was Verna when it was not her at all. She was nice. I've not even talked about

Megan: that before.

That's what Amy said too. Amy was like, I do not see the connection between these

Amy: two.

Kayli: There was no connection. And so the sketch artist. Drew a picture of Mary. We had a picture of her from the kids that were interviewed, Verna's kids. And the sketch artist to a tee drew her but they didn't show that because it didn't line up with like what they were saying.

Megan: With their agenda, their narrative.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Geez. Did the sketch artist see that picture of Mary before drawing it? No, not that I'm aware of. Okay. No. Okay. Okay.

Kayli: And also like the house was way worse. than what they portrayed it. Like, that was like a walk in the park. When I watched the episode, I was like, that's nothing what it was like.

Like, me, my daughter, and my parents were sleeping in my parents room because it was unsafe for me and my daughter to sleep in separate rooms. We had to sleep together. All together.

AP: They had only said that your daughter was

Amy: sleeping in there. Yeah. She

Megan: was sleeping in there. They had the pillow, the mattress on the floor.

Yep. Me

Kayli: and my daughter were sleeping on that mattress together because it was too unsafe

Amy: for me to sleep. Why?

Megan: I just don't understand why they're leaving all of this information out.

Amy: I know. That's pretty

AP: important. Well, apart from your brother, I can't recall his name at the moment. Kenan? Kenan. Yeah.

Thank you. I'm not great with names. I'm great with faces, not names. And, but he, he made comments of that, you know, he had been in the house for three hours or whatever. And he was like, I had to get out, get back out. But that he had, that was the room that you had been staying in. Yes. Yeah. And did I catch, was it only like a couple of months since from when they recorded to when you guys had moved in or did they just kind of shorten that?

Kayli: No, it was literally two months. So I had moved out. And with my daughter, me and my daughter had moved out and my mother's health was declining cause she had some health issues. And I'm a single mom, so my dad was helping me with like school, like pickups and what not too. So I decided to move back in to help my dad with my mom and then return, like, and then she was helping me.

Amy: Don't judge Megan here at all. No, we are

Megan: fully on board with people living with their parents. Oh

Amy: yeah. So

Kayli: We moved back in, in September. and they were there in November. That's how it was very quick. And

Amy: when did

Megan: you reach out to them initially? Oh,

Kayli: So my mom had reached out probably like two years prior and then again a year prior and then I reached out in like May of that year and then my mom actually messaged Steve in the summer and was like me and my daughter have been trying to reach out to you guys and like we've been emailing and whatnot and he was like actually I know your story I can't believe they haven't reached out yet and then

Amy: literally I

Oh my goodness. Now she's upside down. She's hanging off the ceiling. Oh my dear.

Megan: This is where Kaylee's vocals cut. We could hear her in real time, but the sound didn't make it onto the recording. Just like what happened with AP's earlier. Then a few moments later, Kaylee's video glitched and then it turned her upside down and it appeared that she was Upside down on the ceiling. So thanks a lot, SquadCast.

Amy: We tried using it again. We haven't used SquadCast in a long time, but we thought for a remote interview, it would be good and it was not. Sorry about that. Also, Megan had to dip out as she was not feeling well. So we paused this recording and restarted for take four. Oh, that's fine. Yeah. I'm glad I came down from the ceiling.

That was super bizarre. Okay. So when we were so rudely interrupted by technology, you were saying that that there was, there was an entity in the house that they never talked about. Yes. Correct. And then, they're so, and, and that the stuff that, I mean, if, if you want to go, if I'm jumping too far or whatever, and you want to go back to something, please tell me I want to know what.

What's going on in the house that they didn't show because you said it made it sound like it was not as a big of a deal and it was a very big deal.

AP: We talked a little bit about why you ended up back at the house and how the path to get there. It was that you guys actually reached out to Steve and he was kind of concerned that they had not.

Kayli: Yeah, and it's ironic because my biggest concern moving back into the home was the activity because the activity was ramping up when we were leaving and it just continued to ramp up. Yeah, so. What they didn't show actually one of the scariest moments, it was prior to, they were already planning on coming, but, me and my daughter were laying in the mattress on the floor that they showed, and, the bed was shaking our mattress was shaking, and my daughter had been sick, so in my mind, I thought she was having like a febrile seizure, and, but at the same time, something was touching my arm and I was so tired.

I couldn't wake up like, and I'm not that type, like if my child's sick, I'm up, I'm at, I'm at it. I couldn't open my eyes. I couldn't move nothing. And the bed was just. Shaking uncontrollably. And I was having nightmares at the same time. So that was probably one of the scarier moments.

Amy: How long did that go on for?

The shaking that night? It

Kayli: felt like forever, but at the same time I couldn't, it was probably only like a few minutes.

Amy: Still things

Kayli: would like push my daughter all the time. She was petrified. Quite honestly, I haven't watched the my episode since it aired because I just thought it just didn't do.

So you can correct me if I'm wrong, but in the, when we sat down to have the one on one with Amy and Steve, they showed the child, the little boy that was under her bed. Did they show that drawing in the actual episode? Okay. That's what I thought. Very creepy. Yes. They kind of downplayed that as well in the episode.

This thing was like basically terrorizing her, and everybody else. But Mary, who they didn't talk about, she was also one of the worst things ever. She

Amy: hated us. So who is, who is Mary in history? Do we know that was the one that they didn't tell us? Yep. She was one

Kayli: of the wives. She was the third

Amy: wife.

Okay.

Kayli: And she was awful. Like if the kids Verna's kids, they didn't get along with her. She was just not a good woman. She was nasty. She was mean. She was

Amy: awful. She was brutal.

AP: Yeah. I do feel like, and Megan called it out and I We've had a few episodes where it's like, I think they're trying too hard to peg this spirit with these things going on.

And I feel like we did talk about this one because Verna from her family. Didn't seem like that kind of person in life and it's very difficult. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. Oh, no, no, no. I, I was gonna, you drive, but you know, to me, it seems like it would be really difficult for someone to be a peaceful, loving, however she was as a human, we all have our bad days, right?

But it would be really hard to take that. And the way her kids talked about her too, like. They've been missing her for at that point almost 20 years. Yeah, like it just didn't fit

Kayli: It was really sad to see how they portrayed her Her kids called my mother crying and was like, how could they portray her like that?

Because like she was interactive with us but like if me and my mom were having a conversation, you would hear a woman try to join our conversation. If we were baking in the kitchen, she would try to converse with us, like, or you would like smell baking when you weren't baking. So like she was very much, yeah, she was nice.

We liked her. We were like, we don't have to get rid of her. We'll keep her, but like get rid of everything else.

AP: Her, their story. So the, what caught me a little bit was, her son said something about, cause the dad passed away in 97 and she passed away in 98. So about, I think it was 11 month difference she passed in January, but she called him and said something about how it was so difficult.

How do you go on without the love of your life? Yeah, but recently had that with my grandparents, so I can see that with my grandpa.

I think she froze again. Oops,

Amy: you froze again?

This is where we had enough with Squadcast. It would only record for six minutes at a time and then it would crap out. So we closed this and then continued on Zoom where everything was calm

AP: none of it makes sense. Make it make sense, Amy. Make it make sense.

I think it is kind of disheartening to hear, though, that we're uncovering a lot of stories that aren't being told properly. I mean, we knew that there were some, you know, like, ways for that, but, I mean, connecting to the fact that they're, they're trying to push the spirits into being different people.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm not terribly surprised.

 I'm surprised more that we haven't heard this before. Mm hmm. That Tracy, Annie, Brandy, Lance, and Jennifer, that none of them had a problem or had these problems. Or if they did, they didn't tell us about it. Mm hmm. Could be.

Kayli: Okay. Can you guys hear me?

Amy: Yes. Oh,

AP: my goodness. I love your pillow behind you, by the way. Oh,

Amy: thank you. All right. I think, I think we're, we'll, we'll just try not to interrupt you while you're talking so that it doesn't cut out your voice.

Okay. So where did we, we left off? Mary,

Kayli: Mary, Mary. I was, yep.

AP: I was just connected. Verna was the nice one. Yep. I connected my grandparents to the story that Verna's son had

Amy: shared about Yeah, about having to live without her. Yes,

AP: about having to live without her husband.

Kayli: Yes. Also, I don't know why it says my name says where, but

Amy: Yeah, I was like, I don't think that's her name, but

Kayli: I'm not sure what's going on.

You are now!

Amy: It doesn't say that, like, it won't show on the, on the video or anything.

Kayli: Okay. Okay, yeah. So, Verna was the nice one. Mary was nasty. I'm trying to think of what else. I just felt like they just did not do it justice, whatsoever. And they also, which they didn't talk about this in the show, but she told us at the one on one there was something in the neighborhood, that was like ancient, ancient, that was really attracted to our house.

However, she couldn't get a good read on it because it kept staying. Away from the house because it could like tell like that. She was there. Oh Yeah this is Amy, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. It was Amy. Thank you. And then so my daughter Who's adorable by the way?

Amy: Thank you.

Kayli: So, she's very, I'm gonna say intuitive, but that's not what it is.

She's a medium, per what Amy said. I was

AP: gonna ask if she still had that going on. It's

Kayli: not as bad as it was. Again, they downplayed that. A lot too. But Bella, so we didn't tell Bella, obviously, that these people were coming. Because she was three at the time, so she had no idea what was going on. But Janelle, the one producer, was there two nights before Amy came to do her walkthrough.

And Bella said to Janelle, she was like, Oh, your friends are coming. My friends told me. And Janelle was like, wait, what? And she was like, I thought you guys didn't tell her. And I said, we didn't tell her. She was like, no, my friend's on the porch. She was like, they won't come in because your friends are coming.

Oh my

AP: God. Why did they not share that? Like that? Oh my God. Yeah, that would have been good

Amy: TV. Why did they leave that shit out?

Kayli: Yep. They all

AP: definitely see her terror when they were filming in the room in the closet and obviously we know that shoulder and obviously they had a camera over there because she looked almost directly into it.

But the look on her face and I think we talked about this the first time around is pure terror. Get me out of here. I don't want to be in there. And it almost sounded like she said. Yeah, he's in the closet. Like, he's there

Amy: now. Yeah, it sounded like she meant he was right there. Yeah, and

Kayli: it's funny because, so the crew is skeptic.

They're all skeptics. They'll tell you all of it. However, one, our house was one of the most activities that the crew has ever experienced. Wow. Per their, per their words. And Wolf was actually in the closet. And when my daughter said, He's in the closet. He was like, Oh, you mean me? And she was like, No.

He's in the closet. And Wolf was like, Okay, cool. Like, great. Like, I'm not in here

AP: alone. See you guys later. Yeah.

Kayli: He's like, Can we hurry this up, please? So I can get out of the closet. I

AP: think we need five more takes.

Amy: Yeah.

Kayli: So yeah, there was that. They didn't talk about that. They, she also called her a beacon.

So yeah, so she called her a beacon.

AP: Asking for people, people want to are drawn to her for help. Right. Yeah.

Kayli: And when I was pregnant with her, I was like activity was really rampant around me. And I was getting like scratched and pushed and like all that. And they, and Amy had said that she doesn't know how I survived my pregnancy between what was happening to me and the, like what my daughter's abilities were.

Oh, wow. Because her, like she was such a beacon. She was like emanating. Yeah. They also didn't talk about, so Amy said that, so at first it was going to sound, I don't know, but so me and my brother kind of switched in and out of the room on and off. And when Amy kind of was talking to us, she started talking about how someone was bipolar.

And she kept saying that, oh, like I'm getting a lot of like ups and down and emotions and cold and this and that. And my brother and I are very opposite ends of the spectrum. He's very like emotional, will cry if the wind blows the wrong way, very in tune. Me, I'm more like I rarely cry. I don't show emotion.

It's not my thing. And I remember panicking, thinking that she was going to tell me I had a mental illness that I didn't know about. I remember, like, internally panicking. And then we were like, Oh, well, I was like me and my brother switch on and off and she's like, oh, that's what I'm picking up. I'm picking up two different, I was like, oh, two different

AP: personalities and everything.

Yeah.

Kayli: Yeah. So that's kind of like what, she was talking about and they didn't touch on, she said that she went in the basement. So my room was in. is in the finished part of the basement. When she went down there, she said it was wall to wall dead people. She compared it to a concert. Oh my God. Fun.

Yeah. I also don't know why my camera, can you guys see my camera going in and out? Yeah, it's zooming in and out. Okay. I don't know what's going on with that. Okay. Who

AP: else is joining

Kayli: us

Amy: today? I mean, sometimes we think my dad joins us, but I don't think he'd be messing with your camera. He'd be doing it with mine.

Kayli: Yeah. So she said it was like, she compared it to a concert where you'd be shoulder to shoulder. Because they were trying to get to me because I'm a medium, but I'm more closed off. I'm not really open. So she said that that's what they were doing. They were like lining up to talk to me. Oh my God.

Knock on other doors. Hey, Kaylee. Kaylee, can you help us? Kaylee!

Amy: Hello! Oh man. So are you, are you still closed off or have you explored that at all?

Kayli: No, I mean, I can see things like randomly, but I don't open myself because you can't get the good without the bad and I don't want to entertain the bad.

Yeah.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah.

Kayli: So yeah, I'm pretty close off. So

AP: yeah. Yeah. That is completely understandable. Yeah. Yeah. You've had a lot of the questions that I had started putting down to ask, but I know that there is, curious or is any of the family still at that

Kayli: house? Yes. So since the show, my dad has sadly passed.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you. He passed away at the end of 2021. My mom has since moved to South Carolina. I have recently moved out. I moved out in September. However, my brother and his wife and child, well now going to be two children are currently staying there. Okay. And

Amy: is it quiet or are they having any

Kayli: issues?

Not really. I mean, there's some residual stuff, but, not like it was. It's

AP: like a walk in the park compared to

Kayli: what you used to have. Yeah.

Amy: Sure.

Kayli: Definitely.

AP: Wow. And does Bella remember any of the stuff that happened when she was younger, when she was that age?

Kayli: No, she doesn't

Amy: talk about it. It's probably best.

Kayli: Yeah. But, funny because Amy had went out and found somebody to Like take care of this bad stuff in the house. It was good for like a week and then It ramped up. So basically the part is it what it hid And then it just got pissed off. Sorry for, I don't know if I can swear a little bit. You can swear.

We swear all the time. We swear a lot.

Amy: Pissed

Kayli: off is light. Yeah. That's very light. So it got really pissed off. And started ramping up. And then we actually had to call in, Oh my God, I can't think of their name. But she was actually on the show. Her name is Holly. She was on the show, but she was part of like this group.

Something maybe. Something Matrix maybe.

Amy: Is it Spirit Mechanics? Yes. That's Amy's group. Yeah, or Amy's friends with that

Kayli: group. Yes. Okay. They had to come in. Because it was so bad, like, it was like the worst it had ever been. Like I had people like, well, spirits attacking me in my sleep. I was having these crazy dreams.

I had people, some of them can like astral project and, Like some of the group members and the one guy was like, yeah, I asked her. Now they would always let us know when they were doing it. And he was like, you had like a line of people in your bedroom. And when I asked them why they were there, they were like, oh, she can help us.

And he was like, no, she can't. Like, she doesn't want to do this. Like leave her alone. And some of them are nice, I guess. And some were like, oh, I'm so sorry. And like left. And then other spirits were like pissed off that I wouldn't help them. Entitled spirits, huh? Sorry, guys. And yeah, so they were, yeah, so they had to come in and they helped us.

They did a great job. They got rid of almost everything. That was bad there. Yeah, there were some crazy things, crazy things there that they that sometimes you think about and you're just like, You never thought that you would hear that stuff, like some kind of like lizard dragon thing from like another realm.

And I'm like, it sounds like something out of supernatural. I don't know if you've ever watched that show, but I do. So it literally sounded like something out of that show. And I was like, okay, I'll leave you guys. Yeah. Like something just. Crazy, but no, yeah, it was, it was bad and it kept like attaching itself to Bella.

Like Bella was its main focus.

Amy: Yeah. I'm sure. It's a tiny supernova.

Kayli: Innocent. Yeah.

Amy: Mm hmm. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I think that one of the other clients we talked to, I think Randy mentioned Holly. Also, I think that she came back to his place after the dead files left and worked with him on cleaning up some of it.

That name is ringing a bell. I think it was Randy. But yeah, so. She must be, and, and I just recently met somebody in the Dead Files group chat on Facebook named Holly. And she, she just mentioned that she was friends with Amy and stuff. And I told her to tell Amy that we want her on the show. But then now that I'm putting all that together, I'm wondering if that's the same Holly.

Kayli: Probably her. Yeah, she was at that time. I don't know if they're still friends, but at the time that we met her, they were friends and all of that. And she's, we still keep in contact with her to this day. Like she's actually become a family friend. Oh, no, that's awesome. Yeah. So she's, she's great.

Amy: All right.

Yeah. Sweet. All right. Is there I don't know if there's any tea like this you want to spill, but since since the show is basically canceled and it's probably not coming back and certainly Amy and Steve will not be able to ever working together again. Did you get any kind of a vibe between. them, there was not happiness there between them, that they didn't get along?

Because we've had other clients say that, that, that they noticed that. No

Kayli: I didn't get that vibe, but the only time you ever saw them together was when you're sitting across from them. Yeah. But he, I will say this, he's very straightforward, but he is a very nice man. He's very honest about being a skeptic.

Like that's not a front for the show, that he's very adamant about that. And he, I mean, he talks at least for my episode, he talked highly of Amy. Like he explained everything and how it works and whatnot. Like I didn't get a bad vibe. Yeah.

AP: So then the pre COVID stuff, I think it's COVID that really pushed that or drove that apart.

Kayli: Probably.

Amy: Yeah, that could be. Yeah. So do you remember the, the sequence of events from did Amy come in first and then go about her way or did Steve come in and just talk with you and then Amy came in later to do her walk? Because it seems like what we've been hearing from other clients is that it's opposite of what they show on the show.

Kayli: So I believe, if I remember correctly, Steve came first, and then they sent us to a hotel for the night, like in the middle of the week, and Amy came and did her walkthrough. And then it was like a few, like a couple days later, we did the one on one. Like it wasn't very much like boom, boom, boom. Like it was like, okay, let's say Steve, like Steve came on like a Saturday.

Like it was an all day thing, or a Sunday, like one of the two. And then Amy came, let's say, on like a Tuesday or Wednesday. And then like, it was like a few days later, we did the one on one.

Amy: Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah. That's pretty much what we've been hearing too. And it's weird that the show flips it. It shows Amy in the beginning.

Saying, Oh, I don't like this. And then they go 19 hours earlier and they show Steve talking to people. And I'm like, why, why do they flip it? It actually seems more credible to leave it the way it actually happened. Yeah. I don't know why they would flip it, but I don't know why they do a lot of things on that show.

We also have been hearing that the reveal, obviously we know the reveal is longer than the 10, 15 minutes it's on the show. How long was yours? Cause we've heard some like very, very lengthy ones. Yeah.

Kayli: Yeah, it was probably about, oof, four hours.

Amy: Okay.

Kayli: And then, which I mean, it doesn't matter now because like you said, the show's being canceled and she's no longer on it. Right. They give you time to talk to her and like ask the questions. Nice. Oh, nice. Good. However, I feel like it should be the next day because your mind is so, have time to Yeah.

Yeah. You, yeah. You don't have time to process. You don't have time to think of questions. You don't have time to like think. And then it's kinda like, okay. Yeah. And she's like, do you have any questions? And it's kind of like.

Amy: I probably will have a million by tomorrow.

AP: The end of a job interview where they're like, well, do you have any questions for us?

And you're like, yes, give me a minute.

Kayli: Yeah. Yeah. So it's very much like. Okay. Like this is just, it's a lot thrown at you. It's just like, boom, like thrown at you. So, but that's what, I mean, again, the show is being, I'm not surprised the show is being canceled, especially because more people are talking about their, I've noticed more people are talking about their experiences.

And it's just, I understand that the TV show, but they definitely made it more Hollywood than.

Amy: It should have been. Sure. Well, and, and what we're finding is like, and in this was in your case too, there's stuff that would have made really good TV. Why would they cut that out? I understand they have to cut stuff because there's a lot of stuff that's in there and they got to narrow it down.

I don't know why they would cut stuff. That makes, it makes it more of an interesting story, makes it a more scary story. Or,

AP: or in the way that we had with Laura is they made her family out to be extremely racist and they were not. Not. at all. And the way that they cut it is it like we came in and we're like, Oh, we got to let her talk first.

Cause we just don't, you know, like it was her ex husband at this point. And we're like, and she's like, so first things first,

Amy: they got everything

AP: wrong. Yup. And I mean, that one's Yeah. Yeah. That's messing with people's like, it's

Amy: not who they are. I know. Cause then their fat, their, their coworkers and stuff are going to watch the show.

And she said, you know, she's a, she's a hairstylist. And she said she gets clients coming in and going, are you the one that was on the dead files? And then she'll be like, so they, they form these opinions of her and her family where absolutely. In fact, the opposite of what the show portrayed and that's dangerous.

I mean, I don't, that's not like that. That's not okay. No, but in your case, I feel like they would have been better off talking about the stuff that you're telling us because it sounds way scarier than the stuff they showed on the show. Oh

Kayli: yeah, it was. I mean, when I did my interview with Steve. It was funny because he's at, he kept cutting, like I kept talking, and he kept going, okay, we gotta cut because you're going off script.

And I'm like, off script? I'm like, this is my story, like, I can't go off script. What are you talking about? And he brought up something like It's something like it was so minor like let's say like the water being left running or something like somebody turning on the water like we know we like I'm using that as an example but something so minor and I'm like okay but bigger things are happening I said and so Janelle was one of the two producers on my episode and I was like well she told me I could say like this this and this I said And he was like, well, I have it written this way.

And I'm like, take it up with your producer, like, cause I don't know if this is my story. But yeah, that's so weird. Why not just

Amy: let, let you say whatever you need to say and they can cut it later. I mean, that's their job. They're going to do it anyway. They're going to edit it however they want to do it anyway.

Yeah. That's bizarre. Yeah, there's, yeah, the more we learn about this, the more I'm not surprised. Which

AP: is such a bummer, because I really, I've watched it since it first aired, because when it was first airing, I was living on my own down in Midwest. Central Kansas area, long way from any, like, people I knew.

Civilization. I'm trying to be very nice. It was not a good time for me there. But I, I watched that and, Mr. Baggy Pants on that show a lot. And that was a little bit more when

Amy: he was We can't say his real name because he, he, like, he's another paranormal investigator who's very, sort of very popular.

Kayli: Huh. Yeah. Okay. I know exactly

Amy: what you're saying. We can't say his name because he'll sue us. Yep. Oh.

 But yeah. Anyway,

AP: but back then I felt like he did a little bit more history of the sh like on the show and like a little bit more was not always just like, come

Amy: here demon, let me talk to you.

Kayli: Mm-Hmm.

AP: and that exact voice. Yeah. Yes. But yeah, that's when I started watching this and it's like, Oh, it's really kind of cool, really like Amy and blah, blah, blah, blah. And now the more that we're uncovering it, it's like going and looking at something from your childhood and you're like, what the hell was that?

Kayli: Yeah. It kind of ruined the show for me doing the show. It kind of ruined the show because I'm like, I get you guys have a TV show to make, and I get this is how you make your living, but like, this is my life that I'm living and you're. Switching the narrative to fit your narrative.

AP: Yeah. Yeah. And Laura said the same thing.

Yeah. And

Amy: hasn't watched it since. She said she used to love the show and didn't, hadn't watched it since. And her episode was season four. That was a long time ago. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah.

AP: And they asked her for, to do one of the re, like the revisits. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And she said

Kayli: no. No. If that, like, ever came about, I, we would probably say no too, just because, no.

Yeah. I haven't watched it since my episode. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

AP: Wow. Now, did you, cause we've heard this from a couple of the clients too, did you guys have anything, we've heard maybe not the most careful when they were covering pictures or taking things off walls, things. In one episode, they left a lot of stuff behind or opened closets to make it look messier or more disheveled than the house was when they walked in.

Kayli: Well, my mom is a neat freak, so the house was spotless when they came like it, like, but we did find like black duct tape for months and months. They put it in like the weirdest spots. You were like, for what? No, the only issue we did have, which they lied to us about, but again we knew Amy got sick.

during her walkthrough. She threw up. And they used the wrong cleaner on the hardwood floor. So it like streaked and the, the PAs, when we got back. And it takes the varnish off. Yeah. So like the two, like PAs on the crew were like, Oh, like all the mud. And we're like, all the mud, you guys cover the floors.

What are you talking about? Like from their shoes. Cause they came in like a cold. November. So it's like muddy and like whatnot. And, and my mom was like, no, not, it's not mud. Like, no. And then she overheard Amy talking to her assistant when she was at the house for the reveal, talking about throwing up in our house and my mom, and we were like, okay, we knew you threw up.

Cause we could tell by the floor. But that was like the only like. issue. But no, like they didn't like, the only thing that was annoying was my, again, my daughter is, she's very girly and she's whatnot. So her whole room was Disney thing. And because of like Disney, you can't have that. Her whole room looked bare.

Like, I just remember being like, okay, people are going to think like, okay, you have your kid with a mattress and four walls and I was like, Oh my God. Yeah. So yeah. And also like, they make you take down all like the pictures and I'm like, for what? This isn't like accurate. But they said it has to do with like people who are in the pictures who maybe don't want their face on camera.

And I'm like, blur them, blur them. Like you have that ability. That's true. I

AP: know that they. You know, we've, so like Laura talked about that she had several picture frames that were broken because like they go in and show Matt covering some of the stuff, but he only does it for the shot. And then they have a crew go in and move things, cover things, do whatever they need to do.

And I'm curious now if some of that then started going towards the family having to do that because now we see in the last, at least the last, the last season, they weren't covering anything. Like,

Kayli: Mhm. Yeah they just made us take out, like photos that had other people, like we could leave our photos because they would take them down.

Our photos, anything Disney. Anything with like a label, like if we had like, you know, like Coke products, Pepsi products, like anything like that, we either had to like cover with tape or just get it out of the way. But no, we watched like painting. Me and my mom had some paintings and all that, like we had all of that, but they did actually forget to take down a picture of my daughter.

Cause they put it back up after Amy did a walkthrough after Amy did her walkthrough and it was a picture of my daughter's newborn pictures on a Buffalo Bills Jim Kelly football. And, they left it up for the reveal. And when she walked into the house, she was like, Oh my God, look at the baby.

And she's not supposed to see what any of us look like until we're sitting in front of her. So it was like a big. The producers were like, how could you forget to take down that? It was like a big canvas that we have in our living room. So it was like noticeable, obviously, when you walk through the door.

And that was like the only like big issue thing with pictures, but that was on them. They forgot to take

Amy: that down. Yeah.

Kayli: I know we didn't have anything broken that I remember. That's good.

Amy: That's good. Yeah. Just your floors mashed. Yeah. Just the floor. Yeah. Somebody was just asking in the dead fast group, but they wondered if Amy had ever thrown up on a, on a walkthrough before, because she will get real sick sometimes, you know, and she'll say, I feel like I'm going to throw up, but of course they're not going to show

Kayli: that, but yeah, well, now you can say, yes, yes, well,

Amy: and you're probably not

AP: the only one, you know, because I know that there's, I think at least in one of the revisited ones that came up, like Amy had gone into the hospital after the walkthrough.

So she's had some that were very, very. detrimental to her that she had to go to the hospital for afterwards and then it delayed doing the reveal because of her having to recover.

Amy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why she ended up leaving. Well, it's one of the reasons. Oh yeah,

Kayli: for sure. I

AP: think there's a few

Amy: reasons in there.

There's a few, but that's a big one. She's just healing. She did a, a live on TikTok last week, maybe? Yeah, it was last week. And her friend drank wine and dished and it was, it was

AP: pretty. I saw her, a post that she put on Instagram on Saturday that said, Was it like note to self, don't drink the juice while talking.

Amy: She's calling it grape juice. She's like, I don't care how nervous I am. I'm not going to drink grape juice at my lives anymore. And I wrote back and I was like, I'm all for the grape, grape juice. I thought it was

AP: hilarious. Well, she said, said something about it. Like that was the first day she was feeling fine again.

And that was a Saturday after a Monday night.

Amy: Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. Yeah. I hope she's, I hope she's feeling better. I mean, not just from the. Yeah. The wine, I mean, in general. So

AP: I do have one other question that I was curious about, and I know you mentioned earlier that your mom had gotten a phone call from Verna's children, but have you guys had any interactions with them over the years or anything?

Kayli: Like here and there we would talk to them. I know when we, when my parents first bought the house there was a lot more contact again, they were younger, there was more contact. Things started to like act up a little bit when we first moved in. Granted, I was like five or almost six and my brother was like four.

So we don't remember, but my mom would like ask them. Like, Hey, did you guys ever experience anything weird? And they would, but they always like attributed it to like one of the other kids doing something like, say they heard walking around, they'd be like, Oh, that was like, that's like, so and so just like out of his bed.

And he shouldn't be out of his bed or like things like that. Like they always attributed it to their other sibling doing things that they shouldn't be doing. But then like when we started talking about the activity, they were like, you know, that makes a lot of

AP: sense. Yeah. I feel like that was kind of like the, that era though, too.

Like that you just, none of this stuff was talked about. You don't talk about it. Like it's a cult. It's, it's something like that. You just don't want to

Amy: bring any of that

Kayli: about. 100%.

Amy: I'm glad that people are feeling more comfortable talking about that stuff now because it's, it's affecting a lot of people who either have had to shut it down or pretend like it doesn't exist or think that they're going nuts or whatever.

It's good to talk about it. Definitely. Yeah. All right. Is there anything else you want us to know or want our listeners to know about your episode, about your family, about how's Bella doing? By the way, she. She's good.

Kayli: She's going to be nine in April. Yeah. She's doing good. She loves gymnastics. She's very strong.

She's very strong willed. She gives me a run for my money, but she still is a sweetheart though. She is as sweet as can be, but very independent, very headstrong.

AP: Yeah. That's awesome. Well, happy birthday in April to her. I was, as you're saying that I'm like, My

Kayli: dog will be nine in April, too, by Talon.

Amy: She's

Kayli: a little

AP: bit different.

She's also challenging at times, but she doesn't talk back.

Amy: I have a dog that talks back, but Yes, you do. You have a few of them. Yes.

Kayli: But yeah. Okay. I'm trying to think if there's anything about the episode. No, just Like everybody said, it's not what most people say. It's not what they portrayed. Yeah. I'm trying to think if there's any, like, more tea.

Well,

AP: I mean, there's always an opportunity to come back and share more tea or, you know, other things too, if you want.

Amy: Yeah, definitely. Let us know. All right.

 So this is the question where this is a new thing.

You're the first one. You're the guinea pig here. We're trying this. So we're, we have a bunch of questions that I have found a friend of mine on Facebook, post these questions, question of the day, and then it sparks some really fun answers. But so I grabbed a bunch of those and I thought, well, I'll just like rotate through them and give them to people to.

To answer and the one I gave to Kaylee today is if you had to do one leisure activity daily, every day for the rest of your life, what activity would you choose?

Kayli: I would choose, I would honestly probably choose swimming. I I always say like I was like a siren in a past life or like a mermaid or something in a past life.

I love the water. So I would definitely say swimming.

Amy: All right. That's a great answer. That's a

Kayli: fantastic

AP: answer. Yeah. I'm sitting here wondering what I would do. Yeah.

Kayli: It took me a while to think about what I wanted to say.

Amy: Cuddle my dogs, watch TV, drink wine. That's it. Well, thank you so much for joining us.

I'm sorry about all the technical snafus. I didn't light my incense. It's probably my fault because I didn't light the incense, but we'll see. But thank you. We enjoyed talking to you. It was a lot of fun. Glad we could hear more of your story and clear up some stuff that people might not know or wouldn't know from just watching your episode.

So that was super helpful. Super cool. Yeah, we really enjoyed it. We appreciate you. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Yeah. Okay.

AP: Yes. Thanks Kaylee. Thank you for joining us and yeah, we'll stay warm over there. Cause I'm sure you guys have a bit of snow.

Kayli: Actually, no, there's no snow right now. We had our winter storm, we had our winter storm a couple of weeks ago, like everywhere was shut down.

We were all snowed in for a few days and yeah, no, we're good,

Amy: we're good now. Isn't it crazy this winter's been just nuts. It was like 50 some degrees today. It's 830 and it's 44 degrees right now in the middle of Minnesota. I can't even. Yeah. Yeah.

Kayli: It's like high 30s here, but the sun's been out. So yeah, it's been nice here.

Yeah. Yeah.

Amy: All right. Well, thank you. Thank you. We will keep in touch.

Kayli: Okay. All right. Thank you. Bye.