April 5, 2023
What’s the Use of Seeking to Have Spiritual Experiences?
This episode is also available as a blog post: https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2023/04/03/whats-the-use-of-seeking-to-have-spiritual-experiences/
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Putting aside the allurement
factor of having some kind of
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special unusual extraordinary
type of experience which is
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clearly a way to feed the ego
personality.
4
00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:18,400
We come to the actual benefits
of such experiences.
5
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There are cases where an
individual is leading, a
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perfectly ordinary life in the
world and something
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extraordinary happens to him
which changes the entire future
8
00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:35,400
Direction and focus of his life.
We can look at the experience of
9
00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,200
Saul on the road to Damascus.
Recounted in the Bible.
10
00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,900
We also see some individuals
have what is called a near-death
11
00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:48,800
experience, which transforms
their view of life and they come
12
00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,200
back with a new focus and
Mission such as the case of
13
00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,300
dannion Brinkley who are struck
by lightning and who returned to
14
00:00:57,300 --> 00:01:01,300
life to become the author of
Saved By the Light and
15
00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:05,300
subsequently founder of an
organization called compassion
16
00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:09,100
in action.
His prior life was radically
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different from what he
subsequently took up.
18
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In the book called to heal, one
of the chapters deals with an
19
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African healer who tried to
avoid taking up the role of
20
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shamanic healer and tried to
live an ordinary life.
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But continued experiences in
signs made it clear to her that
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she was intended for the healing
path.
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So eventually began to follow.
Thus an extraordinary experience
24
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can bring an individual to
consciously take up.
25
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Up the spiritual life.
It is, of course, not something
26
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that occurs without precedent
such as prior life development
27
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of the spiritual interest or
practice.
28
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As the Divine Force Works within
the framework of his own
29
00:01:57,500 --> 00:02:02,700
manifestation process.
Even if we cannot always see, or
30
00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:07,700
understand the background or the
links to past development, due,
31
00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:11,700
to our mental framework and
ignorance of the movement of the
32
00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:15,100
Soul through.
Then death and The evolutionary
33
00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:19,700
development through time.
Additionally spiritual
34
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experiences, may come while one
is treading the path perhaps to
35
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open up a new capacity to work
on the transformation of the
36
00:02:27,700 --> 00:02:31,100
nature.
Perhaps to encourage and support
37
00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:35,800
the faith of the individual to
help him endure and persevere.
38
00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,200
Sometimes these experiences May
provide an Insight that helps
39
00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,600
them work through particular
inner or outer limitations or
40
00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,600
obstacles.
They are facing A disciple
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inquires then what's the use of
having experiences?
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The mother writes quote.
It is not a question of use.
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Not everything in the world is
utilitarian.
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It's like that because it's like
that.
45
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Yes, you can say, what's the use
to someone, who is exclusively
46
00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:13,800
preoccupied with having
experiences, who has no inner
47
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intellectual and spiritual
preparation, and who threw some
48
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sort of fantasy would like to
have experiences.
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You could say to him?
Yes.
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What's the use?
It is not this that will lead
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you to the spiritual life.
It can help you.
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If you have taken up The Path
and if you have taken up The
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Path and all sincerity, well
they will come to the extent
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that they are useful for to seek
experience.
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For experiences.
Sake is altogether useless and
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you can tell people what's the
good.
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It's a fantasy, a fantasy on
another plane.
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It is another kind of Desire,
but it is a desire and quote.
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Reference SRI aurobindo and the
mother growing within the
60
00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000
psychology of inner development.
Chapter 7, growth of
61
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,400
Consciousness.
Inner experiences Pages, 127, 2
62
00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:04,500
1228, Reference SRI aurobindo
and the mother growing within
63
00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,000
the psychology of inner
development.
64
00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000
Chapter 7, growth of
Consciousness.
65
00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:14,500
Inner experiences Pages, 127, 2
1228,
00:00:01,700 --> 00:00:05,900
Putting aside the allurement
factor of having some kind of
2
00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:11,400
special unusual extraordinary
type of experience which is
3
00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,200
clearly a way to feed the ego
personality.
4
00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:18,400
We come to the actual benefits
of such experiences.
5
00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,100
There are cases where an
individual is leading, a
6
00:00:22,100 --> 00:00:25,800
perfectly ordinary life in the
world and something
7
00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,700
extraordinary happens to him
which changes the entire future
8
00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:35,400
Direction and focus of his life.
We can look at the experience of
9
00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,200
Saul on the road to Damascus.
Recounted in the Bible.
10
00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,900
We also see some individuals
have what is called a near-death
11
00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:48,800
experience, which transforms
their view of life and they come
12
00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,200
back with a new focus and
Mission such as the case of
13
00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,300
dannion Brinkley who are struck
by lightning and who returned to
14
00:00:57,300 --> 00:01:01,300
life to become the author of
Saved By the Light and
15
00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:05,300
subsequently founder of an
organization called compassion
16
00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:09,100
in action.
His prior life was radically
17
00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:11,600
different from what he
subsequently took up.
18
00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:17,200
In the book called to heal, one
of the chapters deals with an
19
00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:21,100
African healer who tried to
avoid taking up the role of
20
00:01:21,100 --> 00:01:24,700
shamanic healer and tried to
live an ordinary life.
21
00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,900
But continued experiences in
signs made it clear to her that
22
00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:32,200
she was intended for the healing
path.
23
00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:39,300
So eventually began to follow.
Thus an extraordinary experience
24
00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:42,400
can bring an individual to
consciously take up.
25
00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:46,900
Up the spiritual life.
It is, of course, not something
26
00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:50,500
that occurs without precedent
such as prior life development
27
00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:53,200
of the spiritual interest or
practice.
28
00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,500
As the Divine Force Works within
the framework of his own
29
00:01:57,500 --> 00:02:02,700
manifestation process.
Even if we cannot always see, or
30
00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:07,700
understand the background or the
links to past development, due,
31
00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:11,700
to our mental framework and
ignorance of the movement of the
32
00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:15,100
Soul through.
Then death and The evolutionary
33
00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:19,700
development through time.
Additionally spiritual
34
00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:24,100
experiences, may come while one
is treading the path perhaps to
35
00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:27,700
open up a new capacity to work
on the transformation of the
36
00:02:27,700 --> 00:02:31,100
nature.
Perhaps to encourage and support
37
00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:35,800
the faith of the individual to
help him endure and persevere.
38
00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,200
Sometimes these experiences May
provide an Insight that helps
39
00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,600
them work through particular
inner or outer limitations or
40
00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,600
obstacles.
They are facing A disciple
41
00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,100
inquires then what's the use of
having experiences?
42
00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:59,800
The mother writes quote.
It is not a question of use.
43
00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,200
Not everything in the world is
utilitarian.
44
00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:05,900
It's like that because it's like
that.
45
00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:09,500
Yes, you can say, what's the use
to someone, who is exclusively
46
00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:13,800
preoccupied with having
experiences, who has no inner
47
00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,200
intellectual and spiritual
preparation, and who threw some
48
00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,100
sort of fantasy would like to
have experiences.
49
00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:23,800
You could say to him?
Yes.
50
00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,300
What's the use?
It is not this that will lead
51
00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:30,200
you to the spiritual life.
It can help you.
52
00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,200
If you have taken up The Path
and if you have taken up The
53
00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,200
Path and all sincerity, well
they will come to the extent
54
00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400
that they are useful for to seek
experience.
55
00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,700
For experiences.
Sake is altogether useless and
56
00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:49,200
you can tell people what's the
good.
57
00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,100
It's a fantasy, a fantasy on
another plane.
58
00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:59,500
It is another kind of Desire,
but it is a desire and quote.
59
00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,000
Reference SRI aurobindo and the
mother growing within the
60
00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000
psychology of inner development.
Chapter 7, growth of
61
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,400
Consciousness.
Inner experiences Pages, 127, 2
62
00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:04,500
1228, Reference SRI aurobindo
and the mother growing within
63
00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,000
the psychology of inner
development.
64
00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000
Chapter 7, growth of
Consciousness.
65
00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:14,500
Inner experiences Pages, 127, 2
1228,
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