April 11, 2023
What Are Spiritual Experiences?
This episode is also available as a blog post: https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2023/04/08/what-are-spiritual-experiences/
1
00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,400
In our normal human lives, we
live in an externally focused
2
00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,800
standpoint and we create a
distinction between objective
3
00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:15,200
reality and subjective reality
because we are so dependent on
4
00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,400
the body.
Life, mind complex and its
5
00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,400
relation to the outer World.
We tend to assign a greater
6
00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,200
truth and reality to the
external World.
7
00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:29,500
Western science has made the
ability to measure and reproduce
8
00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:34,500
results in the the external
world as the Touchstone of what
9
00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:40,400
is real subjective.
Experiences subjective views are
10
00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,700
treated as something less real
and thereby denigrated in our
11
00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:48,600
understanding As the Seeker
shifts.
12
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,900
However, to a more inward
Consciousness, it becomes clear
13
00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:56,800
that the normal judgements of
objective and subjective can no
14
00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,000
longer apply.
We also begin to recognize that
15
00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,800
the inner life and the outer
life are intimately tied to one
16
00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:11,200
another influence one another
and in fact depend on one
17
00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,500
another The wall we have set up
between objective and subjective
18
00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:20,800
begins to disappear.
We recognize the power of
19
00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,100
thought to create external
activities and events.
20
00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:28,600
We begin to understand the power
of emotions to drive our
21
00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,900
external life.
We also recognize that thoughts
22
00:01:32,900 --> 00:01:37,200
and emotions have power to
influence others and the
23
00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,700
environment around us.
At a certain point, we therefore
24
00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:47,200
need to recognize that the
spiritual awareness based in an
25
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:53,300
inward Consciousness is real
powerful and despite a lack of
26
00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:59,200
external validation needs to be
appreciated for what in truth is
27
00:01:59,900 --> 00:02:03,300
the manifestation of the
spiritual power that creates and
28
00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:07,200
drives Our Lives.
The subtle is seen to be more
29
00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,100
powerful, more effective and
more real than the gross
30
00:02:12,100 --> 00:02:16,800
physical world, which is seen as
the effect of this subtler
31
00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,500
action.
Not the cause this is just the
32
00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:24,000
reverse of the way.
Western science has historically
33
00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,000
looked at things yet.
How can we say that physical
34
00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,400
elements can manifest mind?
Music, art emotion etcetera.
35
00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,300
If these things were not
already, How involved in the
36
00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:41,500
physical reality.
This involvement is based on the
37
00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:46,200
subtle energies, the Unseen
powers of Consciousness, which
38
00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:52,600
create the infused Consciousness
into the most external forms of
39
00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,500
existence.
This provides for us, a basis
40
00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:59,900
for understanding, the need to
shift to an appreciation of how
41
00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:04,800
thoughts dreams, Visions, moods
emotions.
42
00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:11,300
Ins feelings and intimations
actually arise from whence, they
43
00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:15,100
come.
What their importance and impact
44
00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:20,100
is and how they create our
external reality for us.
45
00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:26,800
SRI aurobindo notes quote.
There is no law that a feeling
46
00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,300
cannot be an experience
experiences are of all kinds and
47
00:03:31,300 --> 00:03:33,600
take all forms in the
Consciousness.
48
00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:39,100
When the Consciousness undergoes
sees or feels anything spiritual
49
00:03:39,100 --> 00:03:45,200
or psychic or even a cult that
is an experience in the
50
00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,400
technical yogic sense for there
are, of course all sorts of
51
00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,400
experiences that are not of
that.
52
00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,700
The feeling's themselves are of
many kinds.
53
00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,000
The word feeling is often used
for an emotion and there can be
54
00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,800
psychic or spiritual emotions
which are numbered among yogic
55
00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,300
experiences such as a wave of
should have bhakti or the rising
56
00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:14,700
of Love towards the Divine.
A feeling also means a
57
00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:18,800
perception of something felt a
perception in the vital or
58
00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,100
psychic.
Or in the essential substance of
59
00:04:22,100 --> 00:04:26,500
the consciousness.
I find even often a mental
60
00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:30,700
perception when it is very Vivid
described as a Feeling.
61
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,300
If you, exclude all these
feelings and Kindred ones and
62
00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:38,100
say that they are feelings, not
experiences.
63
00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,200
Then there is very little room
left for experiences, at all,
64
00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:46,800
feeling and vision, are the main
forms of spiritual experience.
65
00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,200
One sees and feels the Brahmin
everywhere.
66
00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,400
One feels of for Center or go
out from one.
67
00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:57,800
One feels worse.
He's the presence of the divine
68
00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,400
within or around 11 feels or
sees.
69
00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:07,000
The Descent of light one feels
The Descent of Peace were on
70
00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,700
under kick out all that on the
ground that it is only a feeling
71
00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:15,500
and you make a clean sweep of
most of the things that we call
72
00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:19,800
experience again.
We feel a change in the
73
00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,000
substance of the Consciousness
or the State of Consciousness.
74
00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,400
We feel ourselves spreading in
wideness and the body has a
75
00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,900
small thing in the wideness.
This can be seen also, we feel
76
00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:37,000
the heart Consciousness being
wide instead of narrow soft,
77
00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,400
instead of hard illumined,
instead of obscured the head
78
00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,100
Consciousness, also, the vital,
even the physical.
79
00:05:45,700 --> 00:05:50,500
We feel thousands of things of
all kinds and why are we not to
80
00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:55,700
call them experiences?
Of course it is an inner sight
81
00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,600
in inner feeling, subtle,
feeling not Material.
82
00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:04,800
Like the feeling of a cold wind
or a stone or any other object,
83
00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,300
but as the inner Consciousness
deepens it is not less Vivid or
84
00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:17,200
concrete, it is even more.
So in quote reference SRI
85
00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,100
aurobindo and the mother growing
within the psychology of inner
86
00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:24,500
development.
Chapter 7, growth of
87
00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:28,900
Consciousness, inner experiences
Pages, 133 to
00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,400
In our normal human lives, we
live in an externally focused
2
00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,800
standpoint and we create a
distinction between objective
3
00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:15,200
reality and subjective reality
because we are so dependent on
4
00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,400
the body.
Life, mind complex and its
5
00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,400
relation to the outer World.
We tend to assign a greater
6
00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,200
truth and reality to the
external World.
7
00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:29,500
Western science has made the
ability to measure and reproduce
8
00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:34,500
results in the the external
world as the Touchstone of what
9
00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:40,400
is real subjective.
Experiences subjective views are
10
00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,700
treated as something less real
and thereby denigrated in our
11
00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:48,600
understanding As the Seeker
shifts.
12
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,900
However, to a more inward
Consciousness, it becomes clear
13
00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:56,800
that the normal judgements of
objective and subjective can no
14
00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,000
longer apply.
We also begin to recognize that
15
00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,800
the inner life and the outer
life are intimately tied to one
16
00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:11,200
another influence one another
and in fact depend on one
17
00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,500
another The wall we have set up
between objective and subjective
18
00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:20,800
begins to disappear.
We recognize the power of
19
00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,100
thought to create external
activities and events.
20
00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:28,600
We begin to understand the power
of emotions to drive our
21
00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,900
external life.
We also recognize that thoughts
22
00:01:32,900 --> 00:01:37,200
and emotions have power to
influence others and the
23
00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,700
environment around us.
At a certain point, we therefore
24
00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:47,200
need to recognize that the
spiritual awareness based in an
25
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:53,300
inward Consciousness is real
powerful and despite a lack of
26
00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:59,200
external validation needs to be
appreciated for what in truth is
27
00:01:59,900 --> 00:02:03,300
the manifestation of the
spiritual power that creates and
28
00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:07,200
drives Our Lives.
The subtle is seen to be more
29
00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,100
powerful, more effective and
more real than the gross
30
00:02:12,100 --> 00:02:16,800
physical world, which is seen as
the effect of this subtler
31
00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,500
action.
Not the cause this is just the
32
00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:24,000
reverse of the way.
Western science has historically
33
00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,000
looked at things yet.
How can we say that physical
34
00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,400
elements can manifest mind?
Music, art emotion etcetera.
35
00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,300
If these things were not
already, How involved in the
36
00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:41,500
physical reality.
This involvement is based on the
37
00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:46,200
subtle energies, the Unseen
powers of Consciousness, which
38
00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:52,600
create the infused Consciousness
into the most external forms of
39
00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,500
existence.
This provides for us, a basis
40
00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:59,900
for understanding, the need to
shift to an appreciation of how
41
00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:04,800
thoughts dreams, Visions, moods
emotions.
42
00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:11,300
Ins feelings and intimations
actually arise from whence, they
43
00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:15,100
come.
What their importance and impact
44
00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:20,100
is and how they create our
external reality for us.
45
00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:26,800
SRI aurobindo notes quote.
There is no law that a feeling
46
00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,300
cannot be an experience
experiences are of all kinds and
47
00:03:31,300 --> 00:03:33,600
take all forms in the
Consciousness.
48
00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:39,100
When the Consciousness undergoes
sees or feels anything spiritual
49
00:03:39,100 --> 00:03:45,200
or psychic or even a cult that
is an experience in the
50
00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,400
technical yogic sense for there
are, of course all sorts of
51
00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,400
experiences that are not of
that.
52
00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,700
The feeling's themselves are of
many kinds.
53
00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,000
The word feeling is often used
for an emotion and there can be
54
00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,800
psychic or spiritual emotions
which are numbered among yogic
55
00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,300
experiences such as a wave of
should have bhakti or the rising
56
00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:14,700
of Love towards the Divine.
A feeling also means a
57
00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:18,800
perception of something felt a
perception in the vital or
58
00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,100
psychic.
Or in the essential substance of
59
00:04:22,100 --> 00:04:26,500
the consciousness.
I find even often a mental
60
00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:30,700
perception when it is very Vivid
described as a Feeling.
61
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,300
If you, exclude all these
feelings and Kindred ones and
62
00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:38,100
say that they are feelings, not
experiences.
63
00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,200
Then there is very little room
left for experiences, at all,
64
00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:46,800
feeling and vision, are the main
forms of spiritual experience.
65
00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,200
One sees and feels the Brahmin
everywhere.
66
00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,400
One feels of for Center or go
out from one.
67
00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:57,800
One feels worse.
He's the presence of the divine
68
00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,400
within or around 11 feels or
sees.
69
00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:07,000
The Descent of light one feels
The Descent of Peace were on
70
00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,700
under kick out all that on the
ground that it is only a feeling
71
00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:15,500
and you make a clean sweep of
most of the things that we call
72
00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:19,800
experience again.
We feel a change in the
73
00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,000
substance of the Consciousness
or the State of Consciousness.
74
00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,400
We feel ourselves spreading in
wideness and the body has a
75
00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,900
small thing in the wideness.
This can be seen also, we feel
76
00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:37,000
the heart Consciousness being
wide instead of narrow soft,
77
00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,400
instead of hard illumined,
instead of obscured the head
78
00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,100
Consciousness, also, the vital,
even the physical.
79
00:05:45,700 --> 00:05:50,500
We feel thousands of things of
all kinds and why are we not to
80
00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:55,700
call them experiences?
Of course it is an inner sight
81
00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,600
in inner feeling, subtle,
feeling not Material.
82
00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:04,800
Like the feeling of a cold wind
or a stone or any other object,
83
00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,300
but as the inner Consciousness
deepens it is not less Vivid or
84
00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:17,200
concrete, it is even more.
So in quote reference SRI
85
00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,100
aurobindo and the mother growing
within the psychology of inner
86
00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:24,500
development.
Chapter 7, growth of
87
00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:28,900
Consciousness, inner experiences
Pages, 133 to
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