April 28, 2024
Thought-Forms
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When we examine the
question of thought forms,
2
00:00:04,180 --> 00:00:07,860
we recognize that people
usually want to imply that
3
00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:10,660
a thought is able to turn
into some kind of physical
4
00:00:10,660 --> 00:00:15,200
reality, purely through the
power of thought. This
5
00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,700
however is one element of
the question, but not the
6
00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:22,200
only element. Thought
forms have a variety of
7
00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,100
mechanisms for being created
and effectuated. Whenever
8
00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:31,800
we conceive of an idea, a
plan, an invention, a
9
00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,460
creative direction, we are
creating thought forms at
10
00:00:35,460 --> 00:00:38,580
the mental level, on the
mental plane if you will.
11
00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:41,600
These
forms, in order to be
12
00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,180
effectuated in the world,
can act either purely on
13
00:00:45,180 --> 00:00:48,500
the mental level, can
influence and create a
14
00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:52,100
force on the vital level,
or can directly work on
15
00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:55,000
creating a physical form.
How
16
00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,740
this happens is really the
ultimate question. Most
17
00:00:59,740 --> 00:01:02,440
people have a constant
array of thoughts, flitting
18
00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,099
in and out of their mind.
They
19
00:01:05,099 --> 00:01:08,120
generally have very little
focus or power, and tend
20
00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,920
not to go very far in
terms of effectuation or
21
00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,160
any detailed manifestation.
Those
22
00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,980
who focus on an effort of
some sort, such as a
23
00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:23,020
scientific, creative,
artistic, emotional, vital
24
00:01:23,020 --> 00:01:26,500
or physical activity,
channel and concentrate
25
00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:31,600
specific thought forms to
carry out that effort. The
26
00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,940
action may be developed
through a process of
27
00:01:33,940 --> 00:01:37,200
externalization, a
communication process,
28
00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,660
whether oral, written, or
communicated through some
29
00:01:41,660 --> 00:01:48,240
form of visual, tactile, or
olfactory, etc. Converting
30
00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,500
a thought form into any
form of actual communication
31
00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:55,460
in the external world is
one means of effectuating
32
00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:58,460
it. The
great writers, composers,
33
00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,980
artists of the world,
functioned in this manner.
34
00:02:03,020 --> 00:02:04,760
We
can actually trace the
35
00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,180
influence of particular
thought forms through
36
00:02:07,180 --> 00:02:11,160
history, when we work to
identify, for instance, the
37
00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,500
influence of Plato, the
influence of the Vedic
38
00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:18,860
Rishis, the influence of
Confucius, the influence of
39
00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:22,260
Shakespeare, and the
influence of Leonardo Da
40
00:02:22,260 --> 00:02:27,740
Vinci, Nicola Tesla, Albert
Einstein, Shri Orobindo, or
41
00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:31,480
any other individual whose
work has clearly influenced
42
00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,480
the development of humanity
in a meaningful way.
43
00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,620
Another
method does not involve
44
00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:41,300
external action, but rather
the focus of the will
45
00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:44,500
power, or the innate power
of the mind to create
46
00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:47,920
vibrations and disseminate
them. The
47
00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:51,200
action of the silent will
is one that many people
48
00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200
have experienced through
history, and people
49
00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,260
sometimes remark about the
intensity of a certain
50
00:02:57,260 --> 00:03:01,720
person or atmosphere as
that person is concentrating
51
00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,480
his force. Certain
spiritual traditions, such
52
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,040
as Tibetan Buddhism, put a
strong emphasis on the
53
00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,860
training and development of
powers of mind, such as
54
00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:16,160
through extensive and
detailed visualization
55
00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,180
processes as part of their
practice. It
56
00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:23,360
is reported that some
advanced practitioners are
57
00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,500
able to create an actual,
physically visible or
58
00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:30,280
palpable formation in this
way. Tibet's
59
00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,060
great yogi, Milarepa, was
reported to have appeared
60
00:03:34,060 --> 00:03:37,040
in a physical form and
provided a last teaching
61
00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,460
prior to his death to
various disciples in diverse
62
00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:46,380
locales, all at the same
time appearing in his
63
00:03:46,380 --> 00:03:50,500
rainbow body. The
use of mantras has been
64
00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:53,320
known to create intense
thought forms, even when
65
00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,800
not verbalized, that can
influence events in the
66
00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,380
world simply through the
power of the concentrated
67
00:04:01,380 --> 00:04:05,220
thought. The
entire issue of the power
68
00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:09,520
of a curse, or a blessing,
on an individual revolves
69
00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,380
around the power of
thought. There
70
00:04:12,380 --> 00:04:15,480
are instances recounted in
the great scriptural texts
71
00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,339
of how formations were
consciously created to harm
72
00:04:19,339 --> 00:04:23,680
another individual. If
that individual was able to
73
00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,580
reject that force, it would
rebound upon the center, as
74
00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:31,920
it had a power of
effectuation that could not
75
00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,020
be denied. It
should be noted that
76
00:04:37,020 --> 00:04:40,200
harnessing brain waves for
an external result is now
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an accepted part of Western
medical science, as there
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are advances that harness
an individual's brainwaves
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to operate artificial limbs
or operate a computer. As
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this science develops, it
is certain to show that
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brainwaves, in and of
themselves, are powers
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unseen yet real and
effective in the world. A
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disciple asks, quote, how
can human thought create
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forms, end quote. The
mother notes, quote, in the
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mental world, human thought
is constantly creating
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forms. Human
thought is very creative in
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the mental world. All
the time when you are
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thinking, you are creating
forms, and you send them
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out in the atmosphere and
they go and do their work.
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Constantly,
you are surrounded by a
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heap of small formations.
Naturally,
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there are people who can't
even think clearly, so they
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form nothing at all except
faint eddies. But
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people who think clearly
are surrounded by a heap
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of little forms, which
sometimes go out to do
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some work in others, and
when one thinks of them
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again, they return. And
we have instances of people
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who are troubled by their
own formations, which return
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constantly as though to
take possession of them, in
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which they can't get rid
of because they don't know
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how to undo the formations
they have made. There
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are more cases of this
kind than one would think.
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When
they have made a
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particularly strong formation
for themselves, you see
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relatively, this formation
is always tied up with the
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one who makes it and
returns to knock at the
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brain to receive forces and
ends up by truly acting as
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a necessity. It
is a whole world to know
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when truly lives in
ignorance. One
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has powers one doesn't know
about, so naturally one
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uses them very badly. One
uses them somewhat
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unconsciously and very
badly. I
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don't know if you've ever
heard of Madame David Neal,
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who went to Tibet and has
written books on Tibet, and
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who was a Buddhist, and
Buddhists, Buddhists of the
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strictest tradition, do not
believe in the divine, do
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not believe in his
eternity, and do not
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believe in gods who are
truly divine, but they know
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admirably how to use the
mental domain. And
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Buddhist discipline makes
you a good master of the
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mental instrument and mental
domain. We
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used to discuss many things
and once she told me,
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listen, I made an
experiment. She
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had studied a bit of
theosophy also. She
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said, I formed a Mahatma.
With
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my thought, I formed a
Mahatma. And
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she knew this has been
proved that at a given
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moment mental formations
acquire a personal life
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independent of the
fashioner, though they are
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linked with him, but
independent in the sense
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that they can have their
own will. And
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so she said to me, just
imagine, I had made my
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Mahatma so well that he
became a personality
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independent of me and
constantly came to trouble
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me. He
used to come, scold me for
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one thing, give me advice
for another, and he wanted
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to direct my life. And
I could not succeed in
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getting rid of him. It
was extremely difficult. And
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I didn't know what to do.
So
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I asked her how she tried.
She
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told me how she said he
troubles me a lot. My
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Mahatma is very troublesome.
He
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does not leave me in
peace. He
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disturbs my meditations. He
hinders me from working.
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And
yet I know quite well that
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it is I who created him
and I can't get rid of
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him. Then
I said, that's because you
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don't have the trick.
Mother
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laughs. And
I explained to her what
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she should do. And
the next day, I used to
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see her almost every day
in those days, you see,
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the next day she came and
told me, ah, I am freed
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from my Mahatma. Laughter.
She had not cut the
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connection because that's of
no use. One
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must know how to reabsorb
one's creation. That
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is the only way to swallow
up again one's formations.
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End
quote. Reference,
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Sri Aurobindo and the
Mother, the Hidden Forces
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of Life, Chapter 3, Hidden
Forces Around, Pages 67 to
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00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:27,960
69.
00:00:00,980 --> 00:00:03,740
When we examine the
question of thought forms,
2
00:00:04,180 --> 00:00:07,860
we recognize that people
usually want to imply that
3
00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:10,660
a thought is able to turn
into some kind of physical
4
00:00:10,660 --> 00:00:15,200
reality, purely through the
power of thought. This
5
00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,700
however is one element of
the question, but not the
6
00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:22,200
only element. Thought
forms have a variety of
7
00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,100
mechanisms for being created
and effectuated. Whenever
8
00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:31,800
we conceive of an idea, a
plan, an invention, a
9
00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,460
creative direction, we are
creating thought forms at
10
00:00:35,460 --> 00:00:38,580
the mental level, on the
mental plane if you will.
11
00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:41,600
These
forms, in order to be
12
00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,180
effectuated in the world,
can act either purely on
13
00:00:45,180 --> 00:00:48,500
the mental level, can
influence and create a
14
00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:52,100
force on the vital level,
or can directly work on
15
00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:55,000
creating a physical form.
How
16
00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,740
this happens is really the
ultimate question. Most
17
00:00:59,740 --> 00:01:02,440
people have a constant
array of thoughts, flitting
18
00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,099
in and out of their mind.
They
19
00:01:05,099 --> 00:01:08,120
generally have very little
focus or power, and tend
20
00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,920
not to go very far in
terms of effectuation or
21
00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,160
any detailed manifestation.
Those
22
00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,980
who focus on an effort of
some sort, such as a
23
00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:23,020
scientific, creative,
artistic, emotional, vital
24
00:01:23,020 --> 00:01:26,500
or physical activity,
channel and concentrate
25
00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:31,600
specific thought forms to
carry out that effort. The
26
00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,940
action may be developed
through a process of
27
00:01:33,940 --> 00:01:37,200
externalization, a
communication process,
28
00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,660
whether oral, written, or
communicated through some
29
00:01:41,660 --> 00:01:48,240
form of visual, tactile, or
olfactory, etc. Converting
30
00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,500
a thought form into any
form of actual communication
31
00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:55,460
in the external world is
one means of effectuating
32
00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:58,460
it. The
great writers, composers,
33
00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,980
artists of the world,
functioned in this manner.
34
00:02:03,020 --> 00:02:04,760
We
can actually trace the
35
00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,180
influence of particular
thought forms through
36
00:02:07,180 --> 00:02:11,160
history, when we work to
identify, for instance, the
37
00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,500
influence of Plato, the
influence of the Vedic
38
00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:18,860
Rishis, the influence of
Confucius, the influence of
39
00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:22,260
Shakespeare, and the
influence of Leonardo Da
40
00:02:22,260 --> 00:02:27,740
Vinci, Nicola Tesla, Albert
Einstein, Shri Orobindo, or
41
00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:31,480
any other individual whose
work has clearly influenced
42
00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,480
the development of humanity
in a meaningful way.
43
00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,620
Another
method does not involve
44
00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:41,300
external action, but rather
the focus of the will
45
00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:44,500
power, or the innate power
of the mind to create
46
00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:47,920
vibrations and disseminate
them. The
47
00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:51,200
action of the silent will
is one that many people
48
00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200
have experienced through
history, and people
49
00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,260
sometimes remark about the
intensity of a certain
50
00:02:57,260 --> 00:03:01,720
person or atmosphere as
that person is concentrating
51
00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,480
his force. Certain
spiritual traditions, such
52
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,040
as Tibetan Buddhism, put a
strong emphasis on the
53
00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,860
training and development of
powers of mind, such as
54
00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:16,160
through extensive and
detailed visualization
55
00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,180
processes as part of their
practice. It
56
00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:23,360
is reported that some
advanced practitioners are
57
00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,500
able to create an actual,
physically visible or
58
00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:30,280
palpable formation in this
way. Tibet's
59
00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,060
great yogi, Milarepa, was
reported to have appeared
60
00:03:34,060 --> 00:03:37,040
in a physical form and
provided a last teaching
61
00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,460
prior to his death to
various disciples in diverse
62
00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:46,380
locales, all at the same
time appearing in his
63
00:03:46,380 --> 00:03:50,500
rainbow body. The
use of mantras has been
64
00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:53,320
known to create intense
thought forms, even when
65
00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,800
not verbalized, that can
influence events in the
66
00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,380
world simply through the
power of the concentrated
67
00:04:01,380 --> 00:04:05,220
thought. The
entire issue of the power
68
00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:09,520
of a curse, or a blessing,
on an individual revolves
69
00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,380
around the power of
thought. There
70
00:04:12,380 --> 00:04:15,480
are instances recounted in
the great scriptural texts
71
00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,339
of how formations were
consciously created to harm
72
00:04:19,339 --> 00:04:23,680
another individual. If
that individual was able to
73
00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,580
reject that force, it would
rebound upon the center, as
74
00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:31,920
it had a power of
effectuation that could not
75
00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,020
be denied. It
should be noted that
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harnessing brain waves for
an external result is now
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an accepted part of Western
medical science, as there
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are advances that harness
an individual's brainwaves
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to operate artificial limbs
or operate a computer. As
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this science develops, it
is certain to show that
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brainwaves, in and of
themselves, are powers
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unseen yet real and
effective in the world. A
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disciple asks, quote, how
can human thought create
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forms, end quote. The
mother notes, quote, in the
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mental world, human thought
is constantly creating
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forms. Human
thought is very creative in
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the mental world. All
the time when you are
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thinking, you are creating
forms, and you send them
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out in the atmosphere and
they go and do their work.
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Constantly,
you are surrounded by a
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heap of small formations.
Naturally,
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there are people who can't
even think clearly, so they
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form nothing at all except
faint eddies. But
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people who think clearly
are surrounded by a heap
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of little forms, which
sometimes go out to do
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some work in others, and
when one thinks of them
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again, they return. And
we have instances of people
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who are troubled by their
own formations, which return
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constantly as though to
take possession of them, in
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which they can't get rid
of because they don't know
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how to undo the formations
they have made. There
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are more cases of this
kind than one would think.
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When
they have made a
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particularly strong formation
for themselves, you see
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relatively, this formation
is always tied up with the
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one who makes it and
returns to knock at the
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brain to receive forces and
ends up by truly acting as
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a necessity. It
is a whole world to know
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when truly lives in
ignorance. One
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has powers one doesn't know
about, so naturally one
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uses them very badly. One
uses them somewhat
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unconsciously and very
badly. I
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don't know if you've ever
heard of Madame David Neal,
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who went to Tibet and has
written books on Tibet, and
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who was a Buddhist, and
Buddhists, Buddhists of the
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strictest tradition, do not
believe in the divine, do
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not believe in his
eternity, and do not
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believe in gods who are
truly divine, but they know
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admirably how to use the
mental domain. And
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Buddhist discipline makes
you a good master of the
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mental instrument and mental
domain. We
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used to discuss many things
and once she told me,
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listen, I made an
experiment. She
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had studied a bit of
theosophy also. She
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said, I formed a Mahatma.
With
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my thought, I formed a
Mahatma. And
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she knew this has been
proved that at a given
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moment mental formations
acquire a personal life
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independent of the
fashioner, though they are
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linked with him, but
independent in the sense
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that they can have their
own will. And
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so she said to me, just
imagine, I had made my
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Mahatma so well that he
became a personality
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independent of me and
constantly came to trouble
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me. He
used to come, scold me for
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one thing, give me advice
for another, and he wanted
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to direct my life. And
I could not succeed in
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getting rid of him. It
was extremely difficult. And
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I didn't know what to do.
So
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I asked her how she tried.
She
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told me how she said he
troubles me a lot. My
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Mahatma is very troublesome.
He
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does not leave me in
peace. He
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disturbs my meditations. He
hinders me from working.
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And
yet I know quite well that
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it is I who created him
and I can't get rid of
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him. Then
I said, that's because you
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don't have the trick.
Mother
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laughs. And
I explained to her what
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she should do. And
the next day, I used to
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see her almost every day
in those days, you see,
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the next day she came and
told me, ah, I am freed
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from my Mahatma. Laughter.
She had not cut the
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connection because that's of
no use. One
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must know how to reabsorb
one's creation. That
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is the only way to swallow
up again one's formations.
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End
quote. Reference,
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Sri Aurobindo and the
Mother, the Hidden Forces
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of Life, Chapter 3, Hidden
Forces Around, Pages 67 to
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69.