Nov. 24, 2022
The Usefulness of Suffering
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Dr. Dean ornish held a webinar
on Sunday, November 20th, 2022
2
00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,200
with the vegan Society of
Honolulu Hawaii, in, which he
3
00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,800
succinctly explain the role of
suffering in the progress of
4
00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,600
humanity for those who do not
know about his work dr.
5
00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,300
Ornish has spent decades
studying the impact of diet and
6
00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:27,700
lifestyle on human wellness.
And is conducted peer-reviewed
7
00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:30,000
studies with literally thousands
of pages.
8
00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:33,500
Patients with various forms of
advanced heart disease,
9
00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:39,800
diabetes, cancer Etc is finding
showed that with a switch to a
10
00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,600
vegetarian or better.
Still a vegan diet focusing on
11
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,200
low fat and low, refined sugars
and carbohydrates combined with
12
00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,400
exercise stress reduction,
techniques, such as meditation
13
00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,300
and opening the heart through
relationships, intimacy, and
14
00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:02,200
positive Goodwill.
These disease is not only could
15
00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,000
be arrested from further
development, but could actually
16
00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,500
show substantial reversal.
He pointed out that getting
17
00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:14,400
compliance with a new routine is
generally quite difficult.
18
00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:19,300
But that his program has very
high compliance rates.
19
00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000
The reason was simple, people
who started the program, we're
20
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,500
suffering physically.
And we're in many cases looking
21
00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:32,800
at a painful death from a
terminal illness, their primary
22
00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,000
care.
Physicians held out, only drugs
23
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,500
and surgery as potential
options, both with serious
24
00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:44,000
potential for additional pain
suffering, side effects.
25
00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:49,800
And costs, once they started on
the ornish program, they started
26
00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,600
seeing positive results
virtually immediately within a
27
00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,800
few weeks, and this made it
clear to them that the future
28
00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,900
for them was held in these
Simple low-tech Solutions.
29
00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,500
The impetus to, they're making
these somewhat major changes in
30
00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,199
their lives.
In terms of switching from a
31
00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:14,800
meat-based high-fat, high-sugar
diet to in most cases a low fat
32
00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:19,400
That vegan diet and in
systematically adding exercise,
33
00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:24,800
stress reduction and building,
positive relationships was there
34
00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,300
suffering.
People do not make changes,
35
00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:32,500
particularly major changes in
the way they think and act in
36
00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:36,900
relate until they experienced
some form of suffering.
37
00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,800
It may be physical in the form
of injury or disease.
38
00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:45,300
It may be vital and emotional.
In terms of closed-off,
39
00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:50,600
feelings, loneliness anger
reactions and the resultant
40
00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,100
effects of hypertension high
blood pressure stroke and heart
41
00:02:55,100 --> 00:03:00,800
attacks where it may be mental
as they feel depressed, isolated
42
00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:06,600
and Confused The recognition of
the suffering, becomes the cause
43
00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,000
of reaching out for some way to
reduce and relieve that
44
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,200
suffering for many.
Of course, they try to cover up
45
00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,600
the Pain by self-medicating with
alcohol, or recreational drugs,
46
00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:22,800
or they create a false front of
artificial happiness.
47
00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,800
Through external though,
superficial relationships,
48
00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:30,600
entertainments died, versions,
Etc.
49
00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:35,200
Until they find that these
methods don't provide any real
50
00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,400
solutions.
Or in fact, May wind up
51
00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,200
increasing the suffering.
They remain locked in the old
52
00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,900
patterns, once they reach the
point where they see no way out
53
00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:51,500
in their normal approach to the
situation, they become open and
54
00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:56,500
receptive to changes that lead
to both personal growth and
55
00:03:56,500 --> 00:04:00,400
inner growth.
We can see that it has pain
56
00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:06,900
suffering difficulties and
obstacles that lead to progress
57
00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:10,100
as the being actively seeks for
solutions.
58
00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:14,300
That are not a priority when
things are going well and they
59
00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:18,300
are enjoying their lives.
SRI, aurobindo notes.
60
00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:22,000
In sabitri, a legend in a symbol
pain.
61
00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,700
Is the Hammer of the Gods to
break a dead resistance in The
62
00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:31,000
Mortals heart.
A disciple is what part has
63
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,500
sorrow played in the evolution
of humanity.
64
00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:43,600
The mother answers. quote sorrow
desire suffering ambition and
65
00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,100
every other similar reaction in
the feelings and Sensations have
66
00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:52,100
all contributed to make
Consciousness emerge from the in
67
00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:57,100
conscience and to awaken this
Consciousness to the will for
68
00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:03,600
progress, in quote, reference
SRI, aurobindo and the mother
69
00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,700
growing within the psychology of
inner development, chapter 1
70
00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:11,900
emergence, from unconsciousness
page,
71
00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:12,300
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00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,400
Dr. Dean ornish held a webinar
on Sunday, November 20th, 2022
2
00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,200
with the vegan Society of
Honolulu Hawaii, in, which he
3
00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,800
succinctly explain the role of
suffering in the progress of
4
00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,600
humanity for those who do not
know about his work dr.
5
00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,300
Ornish has spent decades
studying the impact of diet and
6
00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:27,700
lifestyle on human wellness.
And is conducted peer-reviewed
7
00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:30,000
studies with literally thousands
of pages.
8
00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:33,500
Patients with various forms of
advanced heart disease,
9
00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:39,800
diabetes, cancer Etc is finding
showed that with a switch to a
10
00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,600
vegetarian or better.
Still a vegan diet focusing on
11
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,200
low fat and low, refined sugars
and carbohydrates combined with
12
00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,400
exercise stress reduction,
techniques, such as meditation
13
00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,300
and opening the heart through
relationships, intimacy, and
14
00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:02,200
positive Goodwill.
These disease is not only could
15
00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,000
be arrested from further
development, but could actually
16
00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,500
show substantial reversal.
He pointed out that getting
17
00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:14,400
compliance with a new routine is
generally quite difficult.
18
00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:19,300
But that his program has very
high compliance rates.
19
00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000
The reason was simple, people
who started the program, we're
20
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,500
suffering physically.
And we're in many cases looking
21
00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:32,800
at a painful death from a
terminal illness, their primary
22
00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,000
care.
Physicians held out, only drugs
23
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,500
and surgery as potential
options, both with serious
24
00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:44,000
potential for additional pain
suffering, side effects.
25
00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:49,800
And costs, once they started on
the ornish program, they started
26
00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,600
seeing positive results
virtually immediately within a
27
00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,800
few weeks, and this made it
clear to them that the future
28
00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,900
for them was held in these
Simple low-tech Solutions.
29
00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,500
The impetus to, they're making
these somewhat major changes in
30
00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,199
their lives.
In terms of switching from a
31
00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:14,800
meat-based high-fat, high-sugar
diet to in most cases a low fat
32
00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:19,400
That vegan diet and in
systematically adding exercise,
33
00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:24,800
stress reduction and building,
positive relationships was there
34
00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,300
suffering.
People do not make changes,
35
00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:32,500
particularly major changes in
the way they think and act in
36
00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:36,900
relate until they experienced
some form of suffering.
37
00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,800
It may be physical in the form
of injury or disease.
38
00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:45,300
It may be vital and emotional.
In terms of closed-off,
39
00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:50,600
feelings, loneliness anger
reactions and the resultant
40
00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,100
effects of hypertension high
blood pressure stroke and heart
41
00:02:55,100 --> 00:03:00,800
attacks where it may be mental
as they feel depressed, isolated
42
00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:06,600
and Confused The recognition of
the suffering, becomes the cause
43
00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,000
of reaching out for some way to
reduce and relieve that
44
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,200
suffering for many.
Of course, they try to cover up
45
00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,600
the Pain by self-medicating with
alcohol, or recreational drugs,
46
00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:22,800
or they create a false front of
artificial happiness.
47
00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,800
Through external though,
superficial relationships,
48
00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:30,600
entertainments died, versions,
Etc.
49
00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:35,200
Until they find that these
methods don't provide any real
50
00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,400
solutions.
Or in fact, May wind up
51
00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,200
increasing the suffering.
They remain locked in the old
52
00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,900
patterns, once they reach the
point where they see no way out
53
00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:51,500
in their normal approach to the
situation, they become open and
54
00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:56,500
receptive to changes that lead
to both personal growth and
55
00:03:56,500 --> 00:04:00,400
inner growth.
We can see that it has pain
56
00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:06,900
suffering difficulties and
obstacles that lead to progress
57
00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:10,100
as the being actively seeks for
solutions.
58
00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:14,300
That are not a priority when
things are going well and they
59
00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:18,300
are enjoying their lives.
SRI, aurobindo notes.
60
00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:22,000
In sabitri, a legend in a symbol
pain.
61
00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,700
Is the Hammer of the Gods to
break a dead resistance in The
62
00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:31,000
Mortals heart.
A disciple is what part has
63
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,500
sorrow played in the evolution
of humanity.
64
00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:43,600
The mother answers. quote sorrow
desire suffering ambition and
65
00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,100
every other similar reaction in
the feelings and Sensations have
66
00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:52,100
all contributed to make
Consciousness emerge from the in
67
00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:57,100
conscience and to awaken this
Consciousness to the will for
68
00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:03,600
progress, in quote, reference
SRI, aurobindo and the mother
69
00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,700
growing within the psychology of
inner development, chapter 1
70
00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:11,900
emergence, from unconsciousness
page,
71
00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:12,300
9