April 24, 2023
The Spiritual Experience Gets Watered-Down or Lost As It is Transcribed into the Mental Framework
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Human beings are essentially
dependent on their mental
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perception.
In order to function in the
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world.
This mental perception frames,
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what we see how we experience
it, and our interpretation.
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We'd us try to transcribe
anything provided to us by our
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senses or provided directly to
the mind without Reliance on the
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senses into a mental framework.
It is similar to the idea that
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we try to translate one language
into another, where the one
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00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:40,100
language has heavy inflection
inference and subtle meanings
10
00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:44,600
that are not truly captured in
the language into which it has
11
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,300
been translated.
Something is lost in the
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translation.
Similarly, there is a Divergence
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between the mental framework of
The Logical, sequential,
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analytical intelligence and the
creative comprehensive and
15
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combining intelligence thus, it
is virtually impossible for The
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Logical intellect to understand
and pick up all.
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That is being communicated,
through a work of art.
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Or a piece of music, for
instance.
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This provides a background for
understanding.
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The difficulty, the mind has in
perceiving understanding
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interpreting and communicating
the truth and essence of
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spiritual experiences which
require a different type or form
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of understanding, then that
provided by the mind.
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For this reason, many people
have deep spiritual experiences,
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wind up, having them in a state
of deep inward Focus.
26
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A trance state of samadhi or
else.
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They may describe what they can
as a type of dream state.
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In these cases, there are simply
no bridge between the spiritual
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00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:07,100
experience and the mental
framework, which provides the
30
00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:09,400
everyday, understanding of the
individual.
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And thus, the experience cannot
be explained or held by the
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00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:17,900
mind.
Additionally, the attempt to
33
00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:22,500
transcribe the experience into a
mental framework, winds up
34
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Shifting, the focus from the
spiritual where the experience
35
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actually occurs to the mental,
where it is, simplified and
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stored, as memory without the
power of the original
37
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,400
experience.
The mother writes quote, for
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most people, an experience
exists, only when they can
39
00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:48,700
explain it to themselves.
The experience in itself,
40
00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:54,000
contact with a certain force, a
widening of Consciousness
41
00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:58,700
communion with an aspect of the
Divine, no matter what
42
00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:02,800
experience.
And opening of the being the
43
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,400
breaking down of an obstacle
crossing over a stage opening,
44
00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,500
new doors, all these
experiences, if people cannot
45
00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:17,400
explain them to themselves in so
many words and materialize them
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and precise thoughts.
It is as though these did not
47
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exist, And it is just this need
for expression.
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This need for translation, which
causes the greater part of the
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experience to lose its power of
action on the individual
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consciousness.
How is it that you have a
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decisive definitive experience
that for instance, you have
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opened the door of your psychic
being you have been in communion
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with it, you know what this
means and then it does not stay
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it is because it does not have a
sufficiently tangible power,
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unless you can express it to
yourself.
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The Experience Begins for, you
only when you are able to
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describe it.
Well, when you are able to
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describe it, the greater part of
its intensity and its capacity
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of action for the inner and
outer transformation has already
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evaporated there, it may be said
that expression.
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Explanation is always a coming
down.
62
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The experience itself is on a
much higher plane.
63
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,400
And quote, reference SRI
aurobindo, and the mother
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growing within the psychology of
inner development.
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Chapter 7 growth of
Consciousness, inner experiences
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page 142.
00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,500
Human beings are essentially
dependent on their mental
2
00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:07,000
perception.
In order to function in the
3
00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,300
world.
This mental perception frames,
4
00:00:10,300 --> 00:00:15,400
what we see how we experience
it, and our interpretation.
5
00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,400
We'd us try to transcribe
anything provided to us by our
6
00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,400
senses or provided directly to
the mind without Reliance on the
7
00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:31,300
senses into a mental framework.
It is similar to the idea that
8
00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:35,300
we try to translate one language
into another, where the one
9
00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:40,100
language has heavy inflection
inference and subtle meanings
10
00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:44,600
that are not truly captured in
the language into which it has
11
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,300
been translated.
Something is lost in the
12
00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:53,500
translation.
Similarly, there is a Divergence
13
00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:57,400
between the mental framework of
The Logical, sequential,
14
00:00:57,700 --> 00:01:02,400
analytical intelligence and the
creative comprehensive and
15
00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:08,000
combining intelligence thus, it
is virtually impossible for The
16
00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,400
Logical intellect to understand
and pick up all.
17
00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,300
That is being communicated,
through a work of art.
18
00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,300
Or a piece of music, for
instance.
19
00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:22,700
This provides a background for
understanding.
20
00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:27,100
The difficulty, the mind has in
perceiving understanding
21
00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:32,100
interpreting and communicating
the truth and essence of
22
00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:36,800
spiritual experiences which
require a different type or form
23
00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,600
of understanding, then that
provided by the mind.
24
00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:45,900
For this reason, many people
have deep spiritual experiences,
25
00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:49,100
wind up, having them in a state
of deep inward Focus.
26
00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:53,000
A trance state of samadhi or
else.
27
00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,500
They may describe what they can
as a type of dream state.
28
00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,100
In these cases, there are simply
no bridge between the spiritual
29
00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:07,100
experience and the mental
framework, which provides the
30
00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:09,400
everyday, understanding of the
individual.
31
00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,300
And thus, the experience cannot
be explained or held by the
32
00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:17,900
mind.
Additionally, the attempt to
33
00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:22,500
transcribe the experience into a
mental framework, winds up
34
00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:26,600
Shifting, the focus from the
spiritual where the experience
35
00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,800
actually occurs to the mental,
where it is, simplified and
36
00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,000
stored, as memory without the
power of the original
37
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,400
experience.
The mother writes quote, for
38
00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,300
most people, an experience
exists, only when they can
39
00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:48,700
explain it to themselves.
The experience in itself,
40
00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:54,000
contact with a certain force, a
widening of Consciousness
41
00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:58,700
communion with an aspect of the
Divine, no matter what
42
00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:02,800
experience.
And opening of the being the
43
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,400
breaking down of an obstacle
crossing over a stage opening,
44
00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,500
new doors, all these
experiences, if people cannot
45
00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:17,400
explain them to themselves in so
many words and materialize them
46
00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,400
and precise thoughts.
It is as though these did not
47
00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,700
exist, And it is just this need
for expression.
48
00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:30,800
This need for translation, which
causes the greater part of the
49
00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,400
experience to lose its power of
action on the individual
50
00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,600
consciousness.
How is it that you have a
51
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:43,200
decisive definitive experience
that for instance, you have
52
00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,500
opened the door of your psychic
being you have been in communion
53
00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:52,800
with it, you know what this
means and then it does not stay
54
00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,200
it is because it does not have a
sufficiently tangible power,
55
00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,500
unless you can express it to
yourself.
56
00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,800
The Experience Begins for, you
only when you are able to
57
00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,600
describe it.
Well, when you are able to
58
00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,600
describe it, the greater part of
its intensity and its capacity
59
00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,800
of action for the inner and
outer transformation has already
60
00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,100
evaporated there, it may be said
that expression.
61
00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,000
Explanation is always a coming
down.
62
00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:30,700
The experience itself is on a
much higher plane.
63
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,400
And quote, reference SRI
aurobindo, and the mother
64
00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:40,400
growing within the psychology of
inner development.
65
00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:45,700
Chapter 7 growth of
Consciousness, inner experiences
66
00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:47,500
page 142.
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