June 17, 2024
The Question of Possession by Vital Entities
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, The Hidden Forces of Life, Ch. 5 Occult Forces, pp. 116-117 This episode is also available as a blog post at https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2024/06/13/the-question-of-possession-by-vital-entities/
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The question of possession by
vital beings has been
2
00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,280
sensationalized to such an
extent in modern society, with
3
00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,080
an entire genre of motion
pictures depicting such things
4
00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,040
in an extreme way, that it is
difficult to have a serious
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00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,560
discussion and review of
whatever reality underlies these
6
00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,280
sensational tales.
It is also true that in some
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00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,400
cases, people were accused of
being possessed not because of
8
00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:37,760
actual possession, but due to
desire, greed, fear, or other
9
00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,880
motives of individuals in a
position to press the claim.
10
00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,440
The Salem Witch Trials in Salem,
MA represent such a misguided
11
00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,600
approach to the subject.
The Holy Inquisition conducted
12
00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,120
by the Catholic Church also
distorted the question of
13
00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,120
possession based on motives of
power, greed, and control.
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00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,720
These things tend to undermine
the credibility of reports of
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00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,240
true possession as we confuse
the misguided and sensational
16
00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,880
reports and events with actual
underlying reality that can be
17
00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,080
seen or documented.
In this light, the Mother
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details experiences she had in
relation to cases of possession.
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It should be noted that not
everyone who acts in an
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unpredictable or even seemingly
irrational way can be described
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00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,640
as possessed.
There are numerous potential
22
00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,400
causes of extreme unorthodox
behavior that cannot be chalked
23
00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,800
up to this cause in modern
society.
24
00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,160
We have to add the widespread
use of psychotropic drugs as
25
00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,200
another potential cause of
uncontrolled behavioral
26
00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,520
manifestations.
The underlying causes and the
27
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question of possible possession
are not always mutually
28
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,800
exclusive.
Drugs, neurochemical imbalances,
29
00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,520
physical injury, or trauma of
various sorts, including
30
00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,760
psychological trauma, may
evidence similar behaviors as
31
00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,920
possession, but this does not
exclude the possibility of their
32
00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:22,920
masking a case of possession or
opening the door to it.
33
00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,560
Careful study and review must be
undertaken to do an accurate
34
00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,160
differential diagnosis with
potentially multiple layers of
35
00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,720
involvement to bring about the
manifested behavior suspected of
36
00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:43,320
being cases of possession.
The disciple asks, Are mentally
37
00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:49,640
deranged people possessed?
The mother answers Yes, unless
38
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there is a physical lesion, a
defect in the formation or an
39
00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,720
accident, a congestion, in all
other cases it is always a
40
00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,800
possession.
The proof of it is that if a
41
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,200
person is brought to you who is
altogether mentally deranged, if
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00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,040
he has a lesion he cannot be
cured, while if there is no
43
00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,360
physical lesion, if it is a
possession, then one can cure
44
00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,840
him.
Unfortunately, these things
45
00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,960
happen only to people who like
them.
46
00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,800
There must be in the being much
ambition, vanity, combined with
47
00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,360
much stupidity and a terrible
pride.
48
00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,640
It is on such things that those
beings play.
49
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I have known cases like that of
persons who were partially
50
00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,640
possessed, and I succeeded in
freeing them from the beings who
51
00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,400
possessed them.
Naturally they felt some relief,
52
00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,280
a kind of ease, for a time, but
it did not last long.
53
00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,800
Almost immediately it wore off,
and they thought, Now I have
54
00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,400
become quite an ordinary
creature, whereas before I was
55
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:03,240
an exceptional being.
They used to feel within them an
56
00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:09,360
exceptional power, even if it
was a power to do evil, and they
57
00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,880
were satisfied with it.
So what did they do?
58
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,959
They called back with all their
force the power they had lost.
59
00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,079
Of course, the being that had
been destroyed could not come
60
00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:26,120
back, but as these beings exist
in thousands, it was replaced by
61
00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,800
another.
I've seen this happen three
62
00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,720
times consecutively in a case.
So much so that in the end I had
63
00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,840
to tell the person I am tired,
get rid of it yourself, I am no
64
00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:46,200
longer interested.
End Quote Reference Sri
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00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,120
Aurobindo and the Mother, The
Hidden Forces of Life, Chapter
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00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,280
5, Occult Forces, pages 116 to
117.
00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,640
The question of possession by
vital beings has been
2
00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,280
sensationalized to such an
extent in modern society, with
3
00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,080
an entire genre of motion
pictures depicting such things
4
00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,040
in an extreme way, that it is
difficult to have a serious
5
00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,560
discussion and review of
whatever reality underlies these
6
00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,280
sensational tales.
It is also true that in some
7
00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,400
cases, people were accused of
being possessed not because of
8
00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:37,760
actual possession, but due to
desire, greed, fear, or other
9
00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,880
motives of individuals in a
position to press the claim.
10
00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,440
The Salem Witch Trials in Salem,
MA represent such a misguided
11
00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,600
approach to the subject.
The Holy Inquisition conducted
12
00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,120
by the Catholic Church also
distorted the question of
13
00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,120
possession based on motives of
power, greed, and control.
14
00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,720
These things tend to undermine
the credibility of reports of
15
00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,240
true possession as we confuse
the misguided and sensational
16
00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,880
reports and events with actual
underlying reality that can be
17
00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,080
seen or documented.
In this light, the Mother
18
00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,760
details experiences she had in
relation to cases of possession.
19
00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,440
It should be noted that not
everyone who acts in an
20
00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,600
unpredictable or even seemingly
irrational way can be described
21
00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,640
as possessed.
There are numerous potential
22
00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,400
causes of extreme unorthodox
behavior that cannot be chalked
23
00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,800
up to this cause in modern
society.
24
00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,160
We have to add the widespread
use of psychotropic drugs as
25
00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,200
another potential cause of
uncontrolled behavioral
26
00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,520
manifestations.
The underlying causes and the
27
00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,000
question of possible possession
are not always mutually
28
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,800
exclusive.
Drugs, neurochemical imbalances,
29
00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,520
physical injury, or trauma of
various sorts, including
30
00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,760
psychological trauma, may
evidence similar behaviors as
31
00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,920
possession, but this does not
exclude the possibility of their
32
00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:22,920
masking a case of possession or
opening the door to it.
33
00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,560
Careful study and review must be
undertaken to do an accurate
34
00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,160
differential diagnosis with
potentially multiple layers of
35
00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,720
involvement to bring about the
manifested behavior suspected of
36
00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:43,320
being cases of possession.
The disciple asks, Are mentally
37
00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:49,640
deranged people possessed?
The mother answers Yes, unless
38
00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:54,360
there is a physical lesion, a
defect in the formation or an
39
00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,720
accident, a congestion, in all
other cases it is always a
40
00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,800
possession.
The proof of it is that if a
41
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,200
person is brought to you who is
altogether mentally deranged, if
42
00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,040
he has a lesion he cannot be
cured, while if there is no
43
00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,360
physical lesion, if it is a
possession, then one can cure
44
00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,840
him.
Unfortunately, these things
45
00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,960
happen only to people who like
them.
46
00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,800
There must be in the being much
ambition, vanity, combined with
47
00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,360
much stupidity and a terrible
pride.
48
00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,640
It is on such things that those
beings play.
49
00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,800
I have known cases like that of
persons who were partially
50
00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,640
possessed, and I succeeded in
freeing them from the beings who
51
00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,400
possessed them.
Naturally they felt some relief,
52
00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,280
a kind of ease, for a time, but
it did not last long.
53
00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,800
Almost immediately it wore off,
and they thought, Now I have
54
00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,400
become quite an ordinary
creature, whereas before I was
55
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:03,240
an exceptional being.
They used to feel within them an
56
00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:09,360
exceptional power, even if it
was a power to do evil, and they
57
00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,880
were satisfied with it.
So what did they do?
58
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,959
They called back with all their
force the power they had lost.
59
00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,079
Of course, the being that had
been destroyed could not come
60
00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:26,120
back, but as these beings exist
in thousands, it was replaced by
61
00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,800
another.
I've seen this happen three
62
00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,720
times consecutively in a case.
So much so that in the end I had
63
00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,840
to tell the person I am tired,
get rid of it yourself, I am no
64
00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:46,200
longer interested.
End Quote Reference Sri
65
00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,120
Aurobindo and the Mother, The
Hidden Forces of Life, Chapter
66
00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,280
5, Occult Forces, pages 116 to
117.
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