Dec. 28, 2022
The Nature of Faith
This episode is also available as a blog post: https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2022/12/26/the-nature-of-faith/
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00:00:01,700 --> 00:00:05,300
What is faith?
Faith has generally been
2
00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:09,000
associated with belief in a
religion and it's specific
3
00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,700
tenants, or articles of faith.
We are educated within our
4
00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:18,900
religion of choice about the
basic beliefs, that underlie,
5
00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:23,300
that religion, and we are asked
to accept them on faith.
6
00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:28,600
In some cases, these articles of
Faith are due to negotiated
7
00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,200
agreements among Church Elders,
at some point in the distant
8
00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,000
past.
And in some cases, these beliefs
9
00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,300
are fully contradicted by
knowledge that has subsequently
10
00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:43,600
come to light as Humanity grows
and advances in its
11
00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,000
understanding.
It is, for this reason,
12
00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:51,600
primarily that science has
rejected the common idea of
13
00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,900
faith faith.
However, is not the affirmation
14
00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:59,800
of beliefs, tenants or dogmas
associated.
15
00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,200
With a specific religious
background in its deepest and
16
00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,700
truest sense, Faith represents a
form of non mental, knowing that
17
00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:13,400
nevertheless is felt as true and
self-evident.
18
00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,500
For those who are immersed in
the mental Consciousness, the
19
00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:22,000
idea that there can be a form of
knowledge that is not directly
20
00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,300
available to the mind or that
relies on an instrument of
21
00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:29,400
knowing other than the mind is
inconceivable.
22
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,200
Yet, if we examine closely, we
can see that the range of mental
23
00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,800
understanding is limited within
a specific upper and lower
24
00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,000
field.
Below the mental level of
25
00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,400
understanding knowing takes the
form of a subconscious or even
26
00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,800
unconscious habit, which we call
Instinct.
27
00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,100
Instinct does not rely on the
mind and is evident throughout
28
00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:58,200
the Animal Kingdom in some
cases.
29
00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,100
This instinct is very precise
and detailed and it's working
30
00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:07,000
just as there is a form of
knowing below the mental field.
31
00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,400
There are also forms of knowing
above the I filled the evolution
32
00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,200
of Consciousness is not
completed and man, therefore is
33
00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:23,200
what funeral been do?
Calls a transitional being Faith
34
00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,300
them from this standpoint is not
a dogmatic belief in a system of
35
00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:31,300
ideas.
But rather the confirmation of a
36
00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:34,600
knowledge obtained through a
different instrument of knowing
37
00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,400
than the mind the rightness and
truth of the faith is something
38
00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:45,100
more akin to intuition and to
mental logic, Faith, gives the
39
00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:49,400
individual the courage to
continue even when faced with
40
00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,800
the contradictory view of the
mind, or the vital being SRI
41
00:02:54,800 --> 00:03:00,500
aurobindo writes, quote Faith
does not depend upon experience.
42
00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,200
It is something that is there
before experienced when one
43
00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,700
starts the yoga, it is not
usually on the strength of
44
00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:13,100
experience, but on the strength
of faith, it is.
45
00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:16,900
So not only in yoga and the
spiritual life, but in ordinary
46
00:03:16,900 --> 00:03:23,700
life, also, all men of action,
discoverers inventors, creators
47
00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:28,600
of Acknowledge proceed by faith
and until the proof is made, or
48
00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,000
the thing done, they go on.
In spite of disappointment,
49
00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,400
failure, disproof, denial,
because of something in them
50
00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,200
that tells them that this is the
truth.
51
00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,700
The thing that must be followed,
and done ramakrishna even went
52
00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:51,000
so far as to say when asked,
whether Blind Faith was not
53
00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,100
wrong.
The Blind Faith was the only
54
00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:57,800
kind to have for Faith as either
blind.
55
00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:01,300
Or it is not Faith, but
something else reasoned.
56
00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:06,200
Inference, proved conviction
where a certain knowledge.
57
00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:11,400
Faith is the souls witness to
something, not yet, manifested
58
00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,800
achieved or realized, but which
yet the nowhere within us even
59
00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,899
in the absence of all
indications feels to be true or
60
00:04:21,899 --> 00:04:27,100
sir pleat supremely worth
following or achieving. this
61
00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:31,000
thing within us can last even
when there is no fixed belief,
62
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,900
in the mind, even when the vital
struggles in Revolt and refuses,
63
00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:40,900
Who is there that practices the
yoga and has not his periods
64
00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,100
long periods of disappointment
and failure and disbelief and
65
00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:50,100
darkness.
But there is something that
66
00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:54,400
sustains him and even goes on in
spite of himself.
67
00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:59,900
Because it feels that what it
followed after was yet true and
68
00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:05,300
it more than feels, it knows.
The fundamental Faith In Yoga.
69
00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:10,200
Is this inherent in the soul
that the Divine exists?
70
00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:13,900
And the Divine is the one thing
to be followed after.
71
00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:18,700
Nothing else in life is worth
having in comparison with that.
72
00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,500
So long as a man has that Faith,
he is marked for the spiritual
73
00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:29,700
life and I will say that even if
his nature is full of obstacles
74
00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,300
and crammed, with denials and
difficulties, and even if he has
75
00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:39,400
many years of struggle, he is
marked out for success in the
76
00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,600
spiritual life.
And quote, reference SRI
77
00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,500
aurobindo, and the mother
growing within the psychology of
78
00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:51,600
inner development.
Chapter 3 growth of
79
00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,100
Consciousness basic requisites
Pages 41 to 42,
00:00:01,700 --> 00:00:05,300
What is faith?
Faith has generally been
2
00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:09,000
associated with belief in a
religion and it's specific
3
00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,700
tenants, or articles of faith.
We are educated within our
4
00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:18,900
religion of choice about the
basic beliefs, that underlie,
5
00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:23,300
that religion, and we are asked
to accept them on faith.
6
00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:28,600
In some cases, these articles of
Faith are due to negotiated
7
00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,200
agreements among Church Elders,
at some point in the distant
8
00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,000
past.
And in some cases, these beliefs
9
00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,300
are fully contradicted by
knowledge that has subsequently
10
00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:43,600
come to light as Humanity grows
and advances in its
11
00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,000
understanding.
It is, for this reason,
12
00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:51,600
primarily that science has
rejected the common idea of
13
00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,900
faith faith.
However, is not the affirmation
14
00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:59,800
of beliefs, tenants or dogmas
associated.
15
00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,200
With a specific religious
background in its deepest and
16
00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,700
truest sense, Faith represents a
form of non mental, knowing that
17
00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:13,400
nevertheless is felt as true and
self-evident.
18
00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,500
For those who are immersed in
the mental Consciousness, the
19
00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:22,000
idea that there can be a form of
knowledge that is not directly
20
00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,300
available to the mind or that
relies on an instrument of
21
00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:29,400
knowing other than the mind is
inconceivable.
22
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,200
Yet, if we examine closely, we
can see that the range of mental
23
00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,800
understanding is limited within
a specific upper and lower
24
00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,000
field.
Below the mental level of
25
00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,400
understanding knowing takes the
form of a subconscious or even
26
00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,800
unconscious habit, which we call
Instinct.
27
00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,100
Instinct does not rely on the
mind and is evident throughout
28
00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:58,200
the Animal Kingdom in some
cases.
29
00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,100
This instinct is very precise
and detailed and it's working
30
00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:07,000
just as there is a form of
knowing below the mental field.
31
00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,400
There are also forms of knowing
above the I filled the evolution
32
00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,200
of Consciousness is not
completed and man, therefore is
33
00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:23,200
what funeral been do?
Calls a transitional being Faith
34
00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,300
them from this standpoint is not
a dogmatic belief in a system of
35
00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:31,300
ideas.
But rather the confirmation of a
36
00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:34,600
knowledge obtained through a
different instrument of knowing
37
00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,400
than the mind the rightness and
truth of the faith is something
38
00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:45,100
more akin to intuition and to
mental logic, Faith, gives the
39
00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:49,400
individual the courage to
continue even when faced with
40
00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,800
the contradictory view of the
mind, or the vital being SRI
41
00:02:54,800 --> 00:03:00,500
aurobindo writes, quote Faith
does not depend upon experience.
42
00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,200
It is something that is there
before experienced when one
43
00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,700
starts the yoga, it is not
usually on the strength of
44
00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:13,100
experience, but on the strength
of faith, it is.
45
00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:16,900
So not only in yoga and the
spiritual life, but in ordinary
46
00:03:16,900 --> 00:03:23,700
life, also, all men of action,
discoverers inventors, creators
47
00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:28,600
of Acknowledge proceed by faith
and until the proof is made, or
48
00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,000
the thing done, they go on.
In spite of disappointment,
49
00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,400
failure, disproof, denial,
because of something in them
50
00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,200
that tells them that this is the
truth.
51
00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,700
The thing that must be followed,
and done ramakrishna even went
52
00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:51,000
so far as to say when asked,
whether Blind Faith was not
53
00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,100
wrong.
The Blind Faith was the only
54
00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:57,800
kind to have for Faith as either
blind.
55
00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:01,300
Or it is not Faith, but
something else reasoned.
56
00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:06,200
Inference, proved conviction
where a certain knowledge.
57
00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:11,400
Faith is the souls witness to
something, not yet, manifested
58
00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,800
achieved or realized, but which
yet the nowhere within us even
59
00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,899
in the absence of all
indications feels to be true or
60
00:04:21,899 --> 00:04:27,100
sir pleat supremely worth
following or achieving. this
61
00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:31,000
thing within us can last even
when there is no fixed belief,
62
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,900
in the mind, even when the vital
struggles in Revolt and refuses,
63
00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:40,900
Who is there that practices the
yoga and has not his periods
64
00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,100
long periods of disappointment
and failure and disbelief and
65
00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:50,100
darkness.
But there is something that
66
00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:54,400
sustains him and even goes on in
spite of himself.
67
00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:59,900
Because it feels that what it
followed after was yet true and
68
00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:05,300
it more than feels, it knows.
The fundamental Faith In Yoga.
69
00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:10,200
Is this inherent in the soul
that the Divine exists?
70
00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:13,900
And the Divine is the one thing
to be followed after.
71
00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:18,700
Nothing else in life is worth
having in comparison with that.
72
00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,500
So long as a man has that Faith,
he is marked for the spiritual
73
00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:29,700
life and I will say that even if
his nature is full of obstacles
74
00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,300
and crammed, with denials and
difficulties, and even if he has
75
00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:39,400
many years of struggle, he is
marked out for success in the
76
00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,600
spiritual life.
And quote, reference SRI
77
00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,500
aurobindo, and the mother
growing within the psychology of
78
00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:51,600
inner development.
Chapter 3 growth of
79
00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,100
Consciousness basic requisites
Pages 41 to 42,
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