May 18, 2024
The Forces of Light and the Forces of Darkness Grapple for Supremacy in the World
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, The Hidden Forces of Life, Ch. 4 Cosmic and Universal Forces, pp.87-89 This episode is also available as a blog post at https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2024/05/14/the-forces-of-light-and-the-forces-of-darkness-grapple-for-supremacy-in-the-world/
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1
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In Paradise Lost, John Milton
describes at great length the
2
00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,720
intentions and motivations of
the fallen angels as described
3
00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,840
by the Christian tradition and
their attempt and need to
4
00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,760
influence and control the human
world, and thereby to defeat
5
00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,480
God's intention and plan for
humanity.
6
00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,800
This story is in fact, not
unique to the Christian
7
00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,440
tradition.
Each culture, each tradition,
8
00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,200
addresses the fight between
those forces that have a vested
9
00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,760
interest in maintaining and
perpetuating darkness,
10
00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,000
ignorance, and death, and
opposing the advent and growth
11
00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,400
of light, knowledge, and life.
These universal tales arise from
12
00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,160
actual experiences that occurred
to individuals who clothe these
13
00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:58,160
experiences in the symbols and
images of their own background.
14
00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,720
An example occurred in the mid
1970s, as privately reported and
15
00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,920
memorialized in writing
contemporaneously with the
16
00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,560
event.
An individual, a spiritual
17
00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,840
seeker dedicated to practice of
yoga and focused on the growth
18
00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,480
of consciousness in the light,
awoke from a vivid real dream
19
00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:28,120
experience in a cold sweat and
in a state of utter exhaustion.
20
00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,120
He recounted how he had been
confronted in what was more than
21
00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,760
a dream but a real experience by
a being who took the shape and
22
00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:42,120
form and image of Adolf Hitler.
The being apparently was not
23
00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,600
destroyed by Hitler's demise,
but simply abandoned Hitler and
24
00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,280
migrated into new forms and took
up its project in new places,
25
00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,800
primarily in the United States,
the victor in the Second World
26
00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,800
War.
They had a dispute and a long
27
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,760
battle ensued.
Eventually the battle was won
28
00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,960
and the formation was defeated.
That experience was so vivid
29
00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,480
that it stayed with the seeker
for decades afterwards, and he
30
00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,400
recognized that it was a
transcription of an ongoing
31
00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,960
battle that would take place in
his lifetime, and of which he
32
00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,560
would necessarily be a
participant to confront the
33
00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,480
force of darkness that was
appearing in that form.
34
00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,640
He in fact sees corresponding
elements in the Hitler force
35
00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,280
working still in today's world,
and feels like this battle is
36
00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,880
still ongoing.
Forces seeking domination, which
37
00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,440
use intimidation, bullying,
tactics, falsehood and
38
00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,880
propaganda to gain ascendancy,
are active in many parts of the
39
00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,520
world, seeking to undermine and
control the world's resources
40
00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,040
regardless of the impact on huge
numbers of people and the
41
00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,440
environment itself, and
revelling in the creation of
42
00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,600
suffering, fear and pain,
Shriorobindo notes quote.
43
00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,680
The theory of this traditional
knowledge is perfectly rational
44
00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,960
and verifiable by inner
experience, and it imposes
45
00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,080
itself if we admit the supra
physical and do not cabin
46
00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,680
ourselves in the acceptation of
material being as the only
47
00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,240
reality.
As there is a Cosmic Self and
48
00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,840
spirit pervading and upholding
the universe and its beings, so
49
00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:40,240
too there is a cosmic force that
moves all things, and on this
50
00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,800
original Cosmic force depend
enact many cosmic forces that
51
00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,360
are its powers or arise as forms
of its universal action.
52
00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,960
Whatever is formulated in the
universe, has a force or forces
53
00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,440
that support it, seek to fulfill
or further it, find their
54
00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,640
foundation in its functioning,
their account of success in its
55
00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,480
success and growth and
domination, their self
56
00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,800
fulfillment, or their
prolongation of being in its
57
00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,519
victory or survival.
As there are powers of knowledge
58
00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,720
or forces of the light, so there
are powers of ignorance and
59
00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,920
tenebrous forces of the darkness
whose work is to prolong the
60
00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,560
reign of ignorance.
And in conscience.
61
00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,920
As there are forces of truth, so
there are forces that live by
62
00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,600
the falsehood and support it and
work for its victory.
63
00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,840
As there are powers whose life
is intimately bound up with the
64
00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:47,640
existence, the idea, and the
impulse of good, so there are
65
00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,440
forces whose life is bound up
with the existence and the idea
66
00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,600
and the impulse of evil.
It is this truth of the cosmic
67
00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,200
invisible that was symbolized by
the ancient belief of a struggle
68
00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,680
between the powers of light and
darkness, good and evil, for the
69
00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,960
possession of the world and the
government of the life of man.
70
00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,000
This was the significance of the
contest between the Vedic gods
71
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,320
and their opponents.
Sons of darkness and division
72
00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:23,080
figured in a later tradition as
Titan and Jayan and demon Asura
73
00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,240
Rakshasa Pisacha.
The same tradition is found in
74
00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,320
the Zoroastrian double principle
and the later Semitic opposition
75
00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,960
of God and his angels on the one
side and Satan and his hosts on
76
00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,560
the other.
Invisible personalities and
77
00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,080
powers that draw man to the
divine light and truth and good,
78
00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,200
or lure him into subjection to
the undivined principle of
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00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,600
darkness and falsehood and evil.
Modern thought is aware of no
80
00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,200
invisible forces other than
those revealed or constructed by
81
00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,240
science.
It does not believe that nature
82
00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,040
is capable of creating any other
beings than those around us in
83
00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,920
the physical world, men, beasts,
birds, reptiles, fishes,
84
00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:16,520
insects, germs, and animalculi.
But if there are invisible
85
00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,000
cosmic forces physical in their
nature, that act upon the body
86
00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,080
of inanimate objects, there is
no valid reason why there should
87
00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,880
not be invisible cosmic forces,
mental and vital in their
88
00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,720
nature, that act upon his mind
and his life force.
89
00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:40,880
And if mind and life impersonal
forces form conscious beings, or
90
00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,760
use persons to embody them in
physical forms and in a physical
91
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world, and can act upon matter
and through matter, it is not
92
00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,080
impossible that on their own
planes they should form
93
00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:00,520
conscious beings whose subtler
substance is invisible to us, or
94
00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,000
that they should be able to act
from those planes on beings in
95
00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,960
physical nature, whatever
reality or mythical unreality we
96
00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,480
may attach to the traditional
figures of past human belief or
97
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,640
experience, they would then be
representations of things that
98
00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,960
are true in principle.
In that case the first source of
99
00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,880
good and evil would be not in
terrestrial life or in the
100
00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,920
evolution from the inconscience,
but in life itself.
101
00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,000
Their source would be supra
physical, and they would be
102
00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,200
reflected here from a large
supra physical nature.
103
00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,360
End Quote Reference Sri
Aurobindo and the Mother, The
104
00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,200
Hidden Forces of Life, Chapter
4, Cosmic and Universal Forces,
105
00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,240
pages 87 to 89.
00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:06,360
In Paradise Lost, John Milton
describes at great length the
2
00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,720
intentions and motivations of
the fallen angels as described
3
00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,840
by the Christian tradition and
their attempt and need to
4
00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,760
influence and control the human
world, and thereby to defeat
5
00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,480
God's intention and plan for
humanity.
6
00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,800
This story is in fact, not
unique to the Christian
7
00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,440
tradition.
Each culture, each tradition,
8
00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,200
addresses the fight between
those forces that have a vested
9
00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,760
interest in maintaining and
perpetuating darkness,
10
00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,000
ignorance, and death, and
opposing the advent and growth
11
00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,400
of light, knowledge, and life.
These universal tales arise from
12
00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,160
actual experiences that occurred
to individuals who clothe these
13
00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:58,160
experiences in the symbols and
images of their own background.
14
00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,720
An example occurred in the mid
1970s, as privately reported and
15
00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,920
memorialized in writing
contemporaneously with the
16
00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,560
event.
An individual, a spiritual
17
00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,840
seeker dedicated to practice of
yoga and focused on the growth
18
00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,480
of consciousness in the light,
awoke from a vivid real dream
19
00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:28,120
experience in a cold sweat and
in a state of utter exhaustion.
20
00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,120
He recounted how he had been
confronted in what was more than
21
00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,760
a dream but a real experience by
a being who took the shape and
22
00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:42,120
form and image of Adolf Hitler.
The being apparently was not
23
00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,600
destroyed by Hitler's demise,
but simply abandoned Hitler and
24
00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,280
migrated into new forms and took
up its project in new places,
25
00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,800
primarily in the United States,
the victor in the Second World
26
00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,800
War.
They had a dispute and a long
27
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,760
battle ensued.
Eventually the battle was won
28
00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,960
and the formation was defeated.
That experience was so vivid
29
00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,480
that it stayed with the seeker
for decades afterwards, and he
30
00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,400
recognized that it was a
transcription of an ongoing
31
00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,960
battle that would take place in
his lifetime, and of which he
32
00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,560
would necessarily be a
participant to confront the
33
00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,480
force of darkness that was
appearing in that form.
34
00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,640
He in fact sees corresponding
elements in the Hitler force
35
00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,280
working still in today's world,
and feels like this battle is
36
00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,880
still ongoing.
Forces seeking domination, which
37
00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,440
use intimidation, bullying,
tactics, falsehood and
38
00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,880
propaganda to gain ascendancy,
are active in many parts of the
39
00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,520
world, seeking to undermine and
control the world's resources
40
00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,040
regardless of the impact on huge
numbers of people and the
41
00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,440
environment itself, and
revelling in the creation of
42
00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,600
suffering, fear and pain,
Shriorobindo notes quote.
43
00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,680
The theory of this traditional
knowledge is perfectly rational
44
00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,960
and verifiable by inner
experience, and it imposes
45
00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,080
itself if we admit the supra
physical and do not cabin
46
00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,680
ourselves in the acceptation of
material being as the only
47
00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,240
reality.
As there is a Cosmic Self and
48
00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,840
spirit pervading and upholding
the universe and its beings, so
49
00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:40,240
too there is a cosmic force that
moves all things, and on this
50
00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,800
original Cosmic force depend
enact many cosmic forces that
51
00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,360
are its powers or arise as forms
of its universal action.
52
00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,960
Whatever is formulated in the
universe, has a force or forces
53
00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,440
that support it, seek to fulfill
or further it, find their
54
00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,640
foundation in its functioning,
their account of success in its
55
00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,480
success and growth and
domination, their self
56
00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,800
fulfillment, or their
prolongation of being in its
57
00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,519
victory or survival.
As there are powers of knowledge
58
00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,720
or forces of the light, so there
are powers of ignorance and
59
00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,920
tenebrous forces of the darkness
whose work is to prolong the
60
00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,560
reign of ignorance.
And in conscience.
61
00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,920
As there are forces of truth, so
there are forces that live by
62
00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,600
the falsehood and support it and
work for its victory.
63
00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,840
As there are powers whose life
is intimately bound up with the
64
00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:47,640
existence, the idea, and the
impulse of good, so there are
65
00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,440
forces whose life is bound up
with the existence and the idea
66
00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,600
and the impulse of evil.
It is this truth of the cosmic
67
00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,200
invisible that was symbolized by
the ancient belief of a struggle
68
00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,680
between the powers of light and
darkness, good and evil, for the
69
00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,960
possession of the world and the
government of the life of man.
70
00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,000
This was the significance of the
contest between the Vedic gods
71
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,320
and their opponents.
Sons of darkness and division
72
00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:23,080
figured in a later tradition as
Titan and Jayan and demon Asura
73
00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,240
Rakshasa Pisacha.
The same tradition is found in
74
00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,320
the Zoroastrian double principle
and the later Semitic opposition
75
00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,960
of God and his angels on the one
side and Satan and his hosts on
76
00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,560
the other.
Invisible personalities and
77
00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,080
powers that draw man to the
divine light and truth and good,
78
00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,200
or lure him into subjection to
the undivined principle of
79
00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,600
darkness and falsehood and evil.
Modern thought is aware of no
80
00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,200
invisible forces other than
those revealed or constructed by
81
00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,240
science.
It does not believe that nature
82
00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,040
is capable of creating any other
beings than those around us in
83
00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,920
the physical world, men, beasts,
birds, reptiles, fishes,
84
00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:16,520
insects, germs, and animalculi.
But if there are invisible
85
00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,000
cosmic forces physical in their
nature, that act upon the body
86
00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,080
of inanimate objects, there is
no valid reason why there should
87
00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,880
not be invisible cosmic forces,
mental and vital in their
88
00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,720
nature, that act upon his mind
and his life force.
89
00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:40,880
And if mind and life impersonal
forces form conscious beings, or
90
00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,760
use persons to embody them in
physical forms and in a physical
91
00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:51,160
world, and can act upon matter
and through matter, it is not
92
00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,080
impossible that on their own
planes they should form
93
00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:00,520
conscious beings whose subtler
substance is invisible to us, or
94
00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,000
that they should be able to act
from those planes on beings in
95
00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,960
physical nature, whatever
reality or mythical unreality we
96
00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,480
may attach to the traditional
figures of past human belief or
97
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,640
experience, they would then be
representations of things that
98
00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,960
are true in principle.
In that case the first source of
99
00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,880
good and evil would be not in
terrestrial life or in the
100
00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,920
evolution from the inconscience,
but in life itself.
101
00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,000
Their source would be supra
physical, and they would be
102
00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,200
reflected here from a large
supra physical nature.
103
00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,360
End Quote Reference Sri
Aurobindo and the Mother, The
104
00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,200
Hidden Forces of Life, Chapter
4, Cosmic and Universal Forces,
105
00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,240
pages 87 to 89.
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