June 18, 2024
The Forces and Beings Active in Places of Worship
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, The Hidden Forces of Life, Ch. 5 Occult Forces, pp. 117-118
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00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,560
We tend to attract those
energies, beings and forces to
2
00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:09,760
us that respond to the vibratory
pattern of our thoughts,
3
00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,760
emotions, feelings, desires, and
physical state.
4
00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,080
Keeping this in mind, we can
review our relationship to
5
00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:25,120
places of worship, whether a
temple, mosque, church, or
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00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,080
other.
Some individuals and on some
7
00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,960
occasions bring true devotion to
the place of worship.
8
00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,440
Yet we also see many other
drives, desires and motives
9
00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,800
operating as people visit their
local shrine.
10
00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,600
A major motive is desire.
We pray to God to give us
11
00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,840
something we want, whether it is
money, family, children, a
12
00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,480
better job, a better
relationship with someone, et
13
00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,480
cetera.
In some cases, we attend out of
14
00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,600
a sense of fear that we will not
achieve heaven after our death
15
00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,000
or will endure suffering for
sins we have committed.
16
00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,000
In some cases, we come under the
influence or control of a
17
00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,680
charismatic leader and
subordinate ourselves to that
18
00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,960
individuals dictates.
Whatever the motive that brings
19
00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:26,000
us to the place of worship, we
create thereby an opening to and
20
00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,920
action of corresponding beings
and forces that represent the
21
00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560
vibrational patterns of our own
energies.
22
00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,800
Thus, to the extent we bring our
desires, fears and wishes into
23
00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,960
the place of worship, we attract
those beings and entities that
24
00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:48,720
act on the vital plane.
They may take a brilliant form
25
00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,960
that can mislead us into
believing they are divine beings
26
00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,760
answering our prayers.
In reality, they are harvesting
27
00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,680
and feeding off of our energies
and do what they need to do to
28
00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,520
elicit more of those energies
from us.
29
00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,640
For those who come with a
sincere sense of devotion,
30
00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:13,120
without desire, without fear,
without any personal demands,
31
00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:18,440
but with a sense of consecration
and dedication, they of course
32
00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,920
attract those forces that aid
their devotional feelings.
33
00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,320
And in such cases, they are not
misled by vital forces residing
34
00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,600
in the place of worship due to
the collective force of the
35
00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,360
people who come with desire or
fear.
36
00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:41,280
Sometimes the simplest, humblest
and least ostentatious shrine is
37
00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,960
the one that holds the deepest
and truest devotional energies.
38
00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,520
The Mother observes.
Quote in all religious
39
00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,280
monuments, in monuments
considered the most well as
40
00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,120
belonging to the highest
religion, whether in France or
41
00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,760
any other country or Japan, it
was never the same temples or
42
00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,080
churches, nor the same gods.
And yet my experience was
43
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,400
everywhere almost the same, with
very small differences.
44
00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,000
I saw that whatever concentrated
force there was in the Church
45
00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,880
depended exclusively upon the
faithful, the faith of the
46
00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,640
devotees, and there was still a
difference between the force as
47
00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:27,920
it really was and the force as
they felt it.
48
00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,600
For instance, I saw in one of
the most beautiful cathedrals of
49
00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,480
France, which from the artistic
point of view is one of the most
50
00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,760
magnificent monuments
imaginable.
51
00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,200
In the most sacred spot I saw an
enormous black vital spider
52
00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,400
which had made its web and
spread it over the whole place
53
00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,240
and was catching in it and then
absorbing all the forces
54
00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,760
emanating from people's
devotion, their prayers and all
55
00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,520
that.
It was not a very cheering
56
00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,240
sight.
The people who were there and
57
00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,880
were praying felt a divine
touch.
58
00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,840
They received all kinds of boons
from their prayers, and yet what
59
00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,560
was there was this, this thing?
But they had their faith which
60
00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,560
could change that evil thing
into something good in them.
61
00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:24,320
They had their faith.
So truly, if I had gone and told
62
00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,120
them, do you think you are
praying to God?
63
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,960
It is an enormous vital spider
that's feeding upon all your
64
00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,240
forces.
That would really not have been
65
00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,160
very charitable.
And that's how it is most of the
66
00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,080
time, almost everywhere.
It is a vital force which is
67
00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,080
there, for these vital entities
feed upon the vibration of human
68
00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,280
emotions.
And very few people, very few,
69
00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,920
an insignificant number, go to
church or temple with a true
70
00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,960
religious feeling.
That is not to pray and beg for
71
00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,840
something from God, but to offer
themselves, give thanks, aspire,
72
00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,200
give themselves.
There is hardly one in a million
73
00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,640
who does that.
So they do not have the power of
74
00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,240
changing the atmosphere.
Perhaps when they are there they
75
00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,200
manage to get across
breakthrough and go somewhere
76
00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,480
and touch something divine.
But the large majority of people
77
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,040
who go only because of
superstition, egoism and
78
00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,560
self-interest create an
atmosphere of this kind.
79
00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,120
And that is what you breathe in
when you go to a church or
80
00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,600
temple.
Only as you go there with a very
81
00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:46,160
good feeling, you tell yourself,
oh, what a quiet place for
82
00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:52,000
meditation.
Reference Sri Aurovindo and the
83
00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,640
Mother, The Hidden Forces of
Life, Chapter 5, Occult Forces,
84
00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,440
pages 117 to 118.
00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,560
We tend to attract those
energies, beings and forces to
2
00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:09,760
us that respond to the vibratory
pattern of our thoughts,
3
00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,760
emotions, feelings, desires, and
physical state.
4
00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,080
Keeping this in mind, we can
review our relationship to
5
00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:25,120
places of worship, whether a
temple, mosque, church, or
6
00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,080
other.
Some individuals and on some
7
00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,960
occasions bring true devotion to
the place of worship.
8
00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,440
Yet we also see many other
drives, desires and motives
9
00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,800
operating as people visit their
local shrine.
10
00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,600
A major motive is desire.
We pray to God to give us
11
00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,840
something we want, whether it is
money, family, children, a
12
00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,480
better job, a better
relationship with someone, et
13
00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,480
cetera.
In some cases, we attend out of
14
00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,600
a sense of fear that we will not
achieve heaven after our death
15
00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,000
or will endure suffering for
sins we have committed.
16
00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,000
In some cases, we come under the
influence or control of a
17
00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,680
charismatic leader and
subordinate ourselves to that
18
00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,960
individuals dictates.
Whatever the motive that brings
19
00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:26,000
us to the place of worship, we
create thereby an opening to and
20
00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,920
action of corresponding beings
and forces that represent the
21
00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560
vibrational patterns of our own
energies.
22
00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,800
Thus, to the extent we bring our
desires, fears and wishes into
23
00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,960
the place of worship, we attract
those beings and entities that
24
00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:48,720
act on the vital plane.
They may take a brilliant form
25
00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,960
that can mislead us into
believing they are divine beings
26
00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,760
answering our prayers.
In reality, they are harvesting
27
00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,680
and feeding off of our energies
and do what they need to do to
28
00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,520
elicit more of those energies
from us.
29
00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,640
For those who come with a
sincere sense of devotion,
30
00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:13,120
without desire, without fear,
without any personal demands,
31
00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:18,440
but with a sense of consecration
and dedication, they of course
32
00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,920
attract those forces that aid
their devotional feelings.
33
00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,320
And in such cases, they are not
misled by vital forces residing
34
00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,600
in the place of worship due to
the collective force of the
35
00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,360
people who come with desire or
fear.
36
00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:41,280
Sometimes the simplest, humblest
and least ostentatious shrine is
37
00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,960
the one that holds the deepest
and truest devotional energies.
38
00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,520
The Mother observes.
Quote in all religious
39
00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,280
monuments, in monuments
considered the most well as
40
00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,120
belonging to the highest
religion, whether in France or
41
00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,760
any other country or Japan, it
was never the same temples or
42
00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,080
churches, nor the same gods.
And yet my experience was
43
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,400
everywhere almost the same, with
very small differences.
44
00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,000
I saw that whatever concentrated
force there was in the Church
45
00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,880
depended exclusively upon the
faithful, the faith of the
46
00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,640
devotees, and there was still a
difference between the force as
47
00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:27,920
it really was and the force as
they felt it.
48
00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,600
For instance, I saw in one of
the most beautiful cathedrals of
49
00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,480
France, which from the artistic
point of view is one of the most
50
00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,760
magnificent monuments
imaginable.
51
00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,200
In the most sacred spot I saw an
enormous black vital spider
52
00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,400
which had made its web and
spread it over the whole place
53
00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,240
and was catching in it and then
absorbing all the forces
54
00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,760
emanating from people's
devotion, their prayers and all
55
00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,520
that.
It was not a very cheering
56
00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,240
sight.
The people who were there and
57
00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,880
were praying felt a divine
touch.
58
00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,840
They received all kinds of boons
from their prayers, and yet what
59
00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,560
was there was this, this thing?
But they had their faith which
60
00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,560
could change that evil thing
into something good in them.
61
00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:24,320
They had their faith.
So truly, if I had gone and told
62
00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,120
them, do you think you are
praying to God?
63
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,960
It is an enormous vital spider
that's feeding upon all your
64
00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,240
forces.
That would really not have been
65
00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,160
very charitable.
And that's how it is most of the
66
00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,080
time, almost everywhere.
It is a vital force which is
67
00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,080
there, for these vital entities
feed upon the vibration of human
68
00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,280
emotions.
And very few people, very few,
69
00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,920
an insignificant number, go to
church or temple with a true
70
00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,960
religious feeling.
That is not to pray and beg for
71
00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,840
something from God, but to offer
themselves, give thanks, aspire,
72
00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,200
give themselves.
There is hardly one in a million
73
00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,640
who does that.
So they do not have the power of
74
00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,240
changing the atmosphere.
Perhaps when they are there they
75
00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,200
manage to get across
breakthrough and go somewhere
76
00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,480
and touch something divine.
But the large majority of people
77
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,040
who go only because of
superstition, egoism and
78
00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,560
self-interest create an
atmosphere of this kind.
79
00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,120
And that is what you breathe in
when you go to a church or
80
00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,600
temple.
Only as you go there with a very
81
00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:46,160
good feeling, you tell yourself,
oh, what a quiet place for
82
00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:52,000
meditation.
Reference Sri Aurovindo and the
83
00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,640
Mother, The Hidden Forces of
Life, Chapter 5, Occult Forces,
84
00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,440
pages 117 to 118.
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