Aug. 13, 2025
The Experience of the Witness Consciousness
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, Looking from Within, Chapter 5, Attitudes on the Path, pp. 148-149
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The standpoint of the witness
consciousness separated from the
2
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external being is not something
that is acquired through
3
00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,360
thinking or the exercise of
willpower based in the mind.
4
00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,040
Many people have developed
approaches or systems to not
5
00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:22,680
react to outer circumstances,
such as Stoicism, various forms
6
00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,240
of training, disciplines, or
attempts at acclimating oneself
7
00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,880
to particular forces and thereby
increasing 1's capacity to
8
00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,280
resist their influence.
These approaches may be useful
9
00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,880
in gaining some manner of
overview or control over the
10
00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,320
actions and reactions of the
external nature, but they do not
11
00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,160
actually provide the experience
itself.
12
00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,160
People who have had an out of
body experience report a sense
13
00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:55,800
that they can see the body.
They can see others responding
14
00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,120
to the body, but they feel
disassociated from the body and
15
00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,239
its activities.
They can observe but do not have
16
00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,360
the sense of wanting to
intervene in any way.
17
00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,840
This experience is akin to the
separation of the witness from
18
00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,320
the nature and provides us an
inkling about the experience
19
00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:22,160
itself.
An individual reported an event
20
00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,400
that occurred to him at the time
of the mothers Maha Samadhi in
21
00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,600
1973.
He was residing at the Shrioro
22
00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,320
Bindo Ashram.
He notified the mother secretary
23
00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:37,320
of his birthday and he received
the mother's birthday blessings
24
00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:43,960
on November 17th, 1973 in the
morning, in other words, earlier
25
00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,520
in the same day as her leaving
her body.
26
00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,840
The message he received said
live within, be not shaken by
27
00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,920
outward happenings.
He reported that he fell into a
28
00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,880
deep state of walking
meditation, feeling separated
29
00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,480
and abstracted from everything
occurring to him that day.
30
00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,600
That night as he slept, he had a
dream that he recalled upon
31
00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,640
waking that everything had
become intensely dark and
32
00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:18,920
foreboding, and then suddenly
there was a brilliant light and
33
00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:23,440
the darkness was dispelled.
He was working during that
34
00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,200
period in the fruit room,
helping to hand out fruits to
35
00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,000
the sawdocks each morning, and
this required him to reach the
36
00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,240
ashram building while it was
still dark early in the morning.
37
00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,240
When he reached the ashram, he
was surprised to see all the
38
00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,600
lights on and people milling
about everywhere.
39
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,840
Some people were grief stricken
and crying.
40
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,400
He learned that the mother had
left her body.
41
00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,120
He indicated that he was still
experiencing the almost trance
42
00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,240
like separation of his awareness
that had begun the prior day and
43
00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,600
he had no reaction other than
that this seemed like an outward
44
00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,640
happening and his dream
experience told him an entirely
45
00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:11,240
different tale.
Over the next several days, as
46
00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,960
people poured in from all around
the world, he continued to feel
47
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,920
the state of abstraction and
separation as he became an
48
00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:24,000
observer of the event, as the
mother's body was placed in the
49
00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,520
meditation hall for the darshan,
as he participated in all the
50
00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,000
activities, and as the samadhi
was prepared for the internment
51
00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,440
of the body.
His report, that was that he
52
00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,880
would could carry on all the
activities of his life, but felt
53
00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,880
totally separated, uninvolved
and unaffected by all of them.
54
00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,720
He became a pure observer.
This was not some mental idea,
55
00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,480
nor was it some discipline.
Rather, he indicated that it was
56
00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,600
to him a grace, a gift he had
been given by the mother, and he
57
00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,840
accepted it without question.
He surrendered to the experience
58
00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,400
and simply observed his own
internal responses and
59
00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,160
everything going on around him.
While eventually the intense
60
00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,360
experience receded and his
normal psychological standpoint
61
00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,840
reasserted itself, more or less,
he kept the remembrance of the
62
00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:33,600
experience and recounted it as a
modest extended period of a
63
00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,040
shift of standpoint to that of
the witness consciousness.
64
00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,160
He later indicated he had been
able to remain observant of his
65
00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:48,200
inner thoughts, feelings,
perceptions and reactions to
66
00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,280
some degree since that time.
While this is a first hand
67
00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,720
recounting of an experience,
there are many such a similar
68
00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,800
experiences recounted in the
spiritual literature.
69
00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:05,360
Individuals who have such an
intense experience frequently
70
00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,400
find that some constant sense of
separation and observation stays
71
00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,440
with them while the intensity
recedes and the experience
72
00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:22,640
becomes normalized.
Srioro Bindu observes quote the
73
00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,080
attitude of the witness
consciousness within.
74
00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,840
I do not think it necessarily
involves an external seclusion,
75
00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:34,200
though one may do.
That also is a very necessary
76
00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,160
stage in the progress.
It helps the liberation from the
77
00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,600
lower procrity, not getting
involved in the ordinary nature
78
00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,960
movements.
It helps the establishment of a
79
00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,400
perfect calm and peace within,
for there is one part of the
80
00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,680
being which remains detached and
sees without being disturbed the
81
00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,560
perturbations of the surface.
It helps also the ascent into
82
00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,200
the higher consciousness and the
descent of the higher
83
00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,560
consciousness, for it is through
this calm, detached and
84
00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,240
liberated inner being that the
ascent and descent can easily be
85
00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,800
done.
Also to have the same witness
86
00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,680
look on the movements of
procrity in others, seeing,
87
00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,000
understanding but not perturbed
by them in any way, is a very
88
00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,200
great help towards both the
liberation and the
89
00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:35,560
universalization of the being.
As for the surrender, it is not
90
00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,840
inconsistent with the witness
attitude.
91
00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,560
On the contrary, by liberating
from the ordinary procrity, it
92
00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,360
makes easier to surrender to the
higher or divine power.
93
00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:52,400
Very often, when this witness
attitude has not been taken, but
94
00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,000
there is a successful calling in
of the force to act in one, one
95
00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,080
of the first things the forces
does is to establish the witness
96
00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,840
attitude so as to be able to act
with less interference or in
97
00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:10,360
mixture from the movements of
the lower property.
98
00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,480
End Quote Reference Shrioro
Bindu and the Mother Looking
99
00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,200
from Within, Chapter 5.
Attitudes on the Path, pages
100
00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,520
1:48 to 1:49.
00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,640
The standpoint of the witness
consciousness separated from the
2
00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,440
external being is not something
that is acquired through
3
00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,360
thinking or the exercise of
willpower based in the mind.
4
00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,040
Many people have developed
approaches or systems to not
5
00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:22,680
react to outer circumstances,
such as Stoicism, various forms
6
00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,240
of training, disciplines, or
attempts at acclimating oneself
7
00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,880
to particular forces and thereby
increasing 1's capacity to
8
00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,280
resist their influence.
These approaches may be useful
9
00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,880
in gaining some manner of
overview or control over the
10
00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,320
actions and reactions of the
external nature, but they do not
11
00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,160
actually provide the experience
itself.
12
00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,160
People who have had an out of
body experience report a sense
13
00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:55,800
that they can see the body.
They can see others responding
14
00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,120
to the body, but they feel
disassociated from the body and
15
00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,239
its activities.
They can observe but do not have
16
00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,360
the sense of wanting to
intervene in any way.
17
00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,840
This experience is akin to the
separation of the witness from
18
00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,320
the nature and provides us an
inkling about the experience
19
00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:22,160
itself.
An individual reported an event
20
00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,400
that occurred to him at the time
of the mothers Maha Samadhi in
21
00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,600
1973.
He was residing at the Shrioro
22
00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,320
Bindo Ashram.
He notified the mother secretary
23
00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:37,320
of his birthday and he received
the mother's birthday blessings
24
00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:43,960
on November 17th, 1973 in the
morning, in other words, earlier
25
00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,520
in the same day as her leaving
her body.
26
00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,840
The message he received said
live within, be not shaken by
27
00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,920
outward happenings.
He reported that he fell into a
28
00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,880
deep state of walking
meditation, feeling separated
29
00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,480
and abstracted from everything
occurring to him that day.
30
00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,600
That night as he slept, he had a
dream that he recalled upon
31
00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,640
waking that everything had
become intensely dark and
32
00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:18,920
foreboding, and then suddenly
there was a brilliant light and
33
00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:23,440
the darkness was dispelled.
He was working during that
34
00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,200
period in the fruit room,
helping to hand out fruits to
35
00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,000
the sawdocks each morning, and
this required him to reach the
36
00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,240
ashram building while it was
still dark early in the morning.
37
00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,240
When he reached the ashram, he
was surprised to see all the
38
00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,600
lights on and people milling
about everywhere.
39
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,840
Some people were grief stricken
and crying.
40
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,400
He learned that the mother had
left her body.
41
00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,120
He indicated that he was still
experiencing the almost trance
42
00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,240
like separation of his awareness
that had begun the prior day and
43
00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,600
he had no reaction other than
that this seemed like an outward
44
00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,640
happening and his dream
experience told him an entirely
45
00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:11,240
different tale.
Over the next several days, as
46
00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,960
people poured in from all around
the world, he continued to feel
47
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,920
the state of abstraction and
separation as he became an
48
00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:24,000
observer of the event, as the
mother's body was placed in the
49
00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,520
meditation hall for the darshan,
as he participated in all the
50
00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,000
activities, and as the samadhi
was prepared for the internment
51
00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,440
of the body.
His report, that was that he
52
00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,880
would could carry on all the
activities of his life, but felt
53
00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,880
totally separated, uninvolved
and unaffected by all of them.
54
00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,720
He became a pure observer.
This was not some mental idea,
55
00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,480
nor was it some discipline.
Rather, he indicated that it was
56
00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,600
to him a grace, a gift he had
been given by the mother, and he
57
00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,840
accepted it without question.
He surrendered to the experience
58
00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,400
and simply observed his own
internal responses and
59
00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,160
everything going on around him.
While eventually the intense
60
00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,360
experience receded and his
normal psychological standpoint
61
00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,840
reasserted itself, more or less,
he kept the remembrance of the
62
00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:33,600
experience and recounted it as a
modest extended period of a
63
00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,040
shift of standpoint to that of
the witness consciousness.
64
00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,160
He later indicated he had been
able to remain observant of his
65
00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:48,200
inner thoughts, feelings,
perceptions and reactions to
66
00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,280
some degree since that time.
While this is a first hand
67
00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,720
recounting of an experience,
there are many such a similar
68
00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,800
experiences recounted in the
spiritual literature.
69
00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:05,360
Individuals who have such an
intense experience frequently
70
00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,400
find that some constant sense of
separation and observation stays
71
00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,440
with them while the intensity
recedes and the experience
72
00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:22,640
becomes normalized.
Srioro Bindu observes quote the
73
00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,080
attitude of the witness
consciousness within.
74
00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,840
I do not think it necessarily
involves an external seclusion,
75
00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:34,200
though one may do.
That also is a very necessary
76
00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,160
stage in the progress.
It helps the liberation from the
77
00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,600
lower procrity, not getting
involved in the ordinary nature
78
00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,960
movements.
It helps the establishment of a
79
00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,400
perfect calm and peace within,
for there is one part of the
80
00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,680
being which remains detached and
sees without being disturbed the
81
00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,560
perturbations of the surface.
It helps also the ascent into
82
00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,200
the higher consciousness and the
descent of the higher
83
00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,560
consciousness, for it is through
this calm, detached and
84
00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,240
liberated inner being that the
ascent and descent can easily be
85
00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,800
done.
Also to have the same witness
86
00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,680
look on the movements of
procrity in others, seeing,
87
00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,000
understanding but not perturbed
by them in any way, is a very
88
00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,200
great help towards both the
liberation and the
89
00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:35,560
universalization of the being.
As for the surrender, it is not
90
00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,840
inconsistent with the witness
attitude.
91
00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,560
On the contrary, by liberating
from the ordinary procrity, it
92
00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,360
makes easier to surrender to the
higher or divine power.
93
00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:52,400
Very often, when this witness
attitude has not been taken, but
94
00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,000
there is a successful calling in
of the force to act in one, one
95
00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,080
of the first things the forces
does is to establish the witness
96
00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,840
attitude so as to be able to act
with less interference or in
97
00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:10,360
mixture from the movements of
the lower property.
98
00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,480
End Quote Reference Shrioro
Bindu and the Mother Looking
99
00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,200
from Within, Chapter 5.
Attitudes on the Path, pages
100
00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,520
1:48 to 1:49.
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