April 3, 2023
Spiritual Realisations and Experiences
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There's an interesting Tale in
the Mahabharata.
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When the preceptor drona was
teaching, the sons of
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dhritarashtra and pandu, the
Royal princes of the Kingdom,
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the lesson of the day, which was
not to become angry, he asked
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each of the printers.
If they had learned the lesson
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and each one dutifully
responded.
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Yes, not to become angry.
Until he reached the eldest, the
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Crown Prince and heir to the
throne yudhisthira who indicated
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that he had.
Not learned the lesson the next
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00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,500
day and that following the same
lesson was repeated with the
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same responses.
Dronacharya was not used to such
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stubbornness and in a fit of
temper.
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He struck yudhishthira this was
in the rules that governed at
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that time, a capital offense.
Yudhisthira responded.
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However, I now have learned the
lesson instead of becoming angry
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with this affront.
He internalized the lesson and
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recognized that he had the inner
power and control to not become
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angry.
When provoked, the importance of
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this tale is that a mental
recognition of something is not
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actually the same as the
realization of it in the being
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In the west, the well-known
illustration is that one can
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read all the books about
swimming, but until one gets in
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the water and Masters, the
principles one has read about
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one does not know how to swim.
Many who take up a spiritual
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discipline.
Initially confuse mental
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conceptualization with
realization.
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They read a text or scripture
that says that there is one
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universal World Consciousness or
some other principle and because
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they can repeat the words, they
believe they know something
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about it.
Eventually as they mature in
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their practice and
understanding, they understand
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that there is a vast difference
between mental knowledge and
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spiritual realization.
This comes about when they first
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begin to have experiences and
eventually solid persistent
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realizations that are not mental
constructs but arise from a holy
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other order of experience, And
are known in a different manner
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than just.
With the mind they may feel a
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Descent of a vast peace that
Embraces and fills the being.
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They may see and feel the
Oneness and unity of all
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existence, they may in some
instances have an out-of-body
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experience and traveled through
what are known as astral planes.
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Or any number of other
experiences, which do not fit
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the neat framework of their
mental understanding.
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SRI aurobindo notes, quote.
There are two classes of things
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that happen in yoga realizations
and experiences.
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Realizations are the reception
in the Consciousness and the
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establishment, they're of the
fundamental truths of the Divine
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of the higher, or divine nature
of the world Consciousness, and
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the play of its forces of One's
Own Self and real nature.
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And the inner nature of things,
the power of these things
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growing in one till they are a
part of one's inner.
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A life and existence.
As for instance, the realization
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of the divine presence, the
dissent and settling of the
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higher peace, light Force Ananda
in the Consciousness, their
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workings, there, the realization
of the Divine or spiritual love
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the perception of One's Own
psychic.
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Be the discovery of One's Own
True mental, being true, vital
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being true.
Physical being the The overmind
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or the super mental
Consciousness, the clear
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perception of the relation of
all these things to our present
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inferior nature and their action
on it, to change their lower
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nature.
The list, of course, might be
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infinitely longer.
These things also are often
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called experiences when they
only come in flashes, snatches
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or rare visitations, they are
spoken out as full realizations
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only when they become very
positive or frequent or
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continuous or normal,
Experiences and defense are very
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good for Preparation but change
of Consciousness is the thing
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wanted?
It is the proof that the
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experiences and descents have
had an effect and quote
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reference SRI aurobindo in the
mother growing within the
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psychology of inner development.
Chapter 7 growth of
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Consciousness inner experiences
page 126.
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Yes.
Yes.
00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,100
There's an interesting Tale in
the Mahabharata.
2
00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:08,300
When the preceptor drona was
teaching, the sons of
3
00:00:08,300 --> 00:00:12,400
dhritarashtra and pandu, the
Royal princes of the Kingdom,
4
00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,500
the lesson of the day, which was
not to become angry, he asked
5
00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:20,800
each of the printers.
If they had learned the lesson
6
00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,300
and each one dutifully
responded.
7
00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:30,100
Yes, not to become angry.
Until he reached the eldest, the
8
00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:35,800
Crown Prince and heir to the
throne yudhisthira who indicated
9
00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:40,200
that he had.
Not learned the lesson the next
10
00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,500
day and that following the same
lesson was repeated with the
11
00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:49,100
same responses.
Dronacharya was not used to such
12
00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:51,800
stubbornness and in a fit of
temper.
13
00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,300
He struck yudhishthira this was
in the rules that governed at
14
00:00:56,300 --> 00:01:01,300
that time, a capital offense.
Yudhisthira responded.
15
00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:07,100
However, I now have learned the
lesson instead of becoming angry
16
00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:10,600
with this affront.
He internalized the lesson and
17
00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:16,000
recognized that he had the inner
power and control to not become
18
00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,100
angry.
When provoked, the importance of
19
00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:23,200
this tale is that a mental
recognition of something is not
20
00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,800
actually the same as the
realization of it in the being
21
00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,300
In the west, the well-known
illustration is that one can
22
00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:35,200
read all the books about
swimming, but until one gets in
23
00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,600
the water and Masters, the
principles one has read about
24
00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:45,400
one does not know how to swim.
Many who take up a spiritual
25
00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,500
discipline.
Initially confuse mental
26
00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:50,000
conceptualization with
realization.
27
00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000
They read a text or scripture
that says that there is one
28
00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,400
universal World Consciousness or
some other principle and because
29
00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,100
they can repeat the words, they
believe they know something
30
00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:07,100
about it.
Eventually as they mature in
31
00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:10,800
their practice and
understanding, they understand
32
00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,600
that there is a vast difference
between mental knowledge and
33
00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,200
spiritual realization.
This comes about when they first
34
00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,200
begin to have experiences and
eventually solid persistent
35
00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:30,100
realizations that are not mental
constructs but arise from a holy
36
00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:34,600
other order of experience, And
are known in a different manner
37
00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,400
than just.
With the mind they may feel a
38
00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,800
Descent of a vast peace that
Embraces and fills the being.
39
00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:47,000
They may see and feel the
Oneness and unity of all
40
00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,500
existence, they may in some
instances have an out-of-body
41
00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:55,400
experience and traveled through
what are known as astral planes.
42
00:02:56,300 --> 00:03:00,800
Or any number of other
experiences, which do not fit
43
00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,700
the neat framework of their
mental understanding.
44
00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,100
SRI aurobindo notes, quote.
There are two classes of things
45
00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:13,700
that happen in yoga realizations
and experiences.
46
00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,200
Realizations are the reception
in the Consciousness and the
47
00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,900
establishment, they're of the
fundamental truths of the Divine
48
00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:26,700
of the higher, or divine nature
of the world Consciousness, and
49
00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:31,100
the play of its forces of One's
Own Self and real nature.
50
00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,000
And the inner nature of things,
the power of these things
51
00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,300
growing in one till they are a
part of one's inner.
52
00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,400
A life and existence.
As for instance, the realization
53
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,200
of the divine presence, the
dissent and settling of the
54
00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:53,800
higher peace, light Force Ananda
in the Consciousness, their
55
00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,800
workings, there, the realization
of the Divine or spiritual love
56
00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,600
the perception of One's Own
psychic.
57
00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,500
Be the discovery of One's Own
True mental, being true, vital
58
00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:11,700
being true.
Physical being the The overmind
59
00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:15,300
or the super mental
Consciousness, the clear
60
00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:18,600
perception of the relation of
all these things to our present
61
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,700
inferior nature and their action
on it, to change their lower
62
00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:25,600
nature.
The list, of course, might be
63
00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,800
infinitely longer.
These things also are often
64
00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,600
called experiences when they
only come in flashes, snatches
65
00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,800
or rare visitations, they are
spoken out as full realizations
66
00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,700
only when they become very
positive or frequent or
67
00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:49,600
continuous or normal,
Experiences and defense are very
68
00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,100
good for Preparation but change
of Consciousness is the thing
69
00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:57,000
wanted?
It is the proof that the
70
00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:03,000
experiences and descents have
had an effect and quote
71
00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:08,400
reference SRI aurobindo in the
mother growing within the
72
00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,400
psychology of inner development.
Chapter 7 growth of
73
00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,800
Consciousness inner experiences
page 126.
74
00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:17,100
Yes.
Yes.
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