April 26, 2023
Spiritual Progress Requires Non-Attachment to Specific Spiritual Experiences
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The external being wants to have
a stable basis by which it can
2
00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:11,400
understand and act in the world.
The tools that support the
3
00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,900
stable basis include habit.
Fix Tendencies, instincts,
4
00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:22,300
education, memory.
And even the way the mental
5
00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:27,900
processes work, comparing new
impulses of the senses to past
6
00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:32,700
memory to create pattern,
recognition and fixed lines of
7
00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:36,100
action.
Psychologists have even
8
00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:40,100
concluded that neural pathways
are built that through
9
00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:44,000
repetition lead, the
understanding down well-worn
10
00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,700
ways of understanding and acting
and which tend to solidify the
11
00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:55,900
life into predictable responses.
These things provide stability,
12
00:00:56,700 --> 00:01:01,100
and are one of the conservative
mechanisms that ensure that
13
00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:04,500
there is an orderly progression
in the life that has a basis.
14
00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:11,300
That is solid steady and sure
the energy required to overcome
15
00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:15,500
this inertia of the external
being is quite considerable.
16
00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:21,600
Yet progress can only occur when
an individual is able to pass
17
00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,300
beyond the limits of the past
ways of knowing and acting.
18
00:01:27,900 --> 00:01:30,500
The same thing happens with
respect to spiritual
19
00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:35,300
experiences, the individual
wants to continually repeat the
20
00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:40,300
experiences once they have made
an impression on him and then
21
00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:44,900
goes about classifying
organizing and remembering those
22
00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:51,000
experiences and uses this mental
framework to try to recapture
23
00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,100
the magic of that past event.
In a certain way, this may help
24
00:01:56,100 --> 00:02:00,800
during a period of consolidation
and fixing the experience into
25
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,900
the external workings of the
Mind, life and body.
26
00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:08,900
But to the extent, it remains
fixed their, the individual
27
00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:13,400
cannot progress to the next new
level of understanding and
28
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:19,400
experience.
A devotee inquires quote mother,
29
00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,000
why is it that the same
contemplation does not always
30
00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,400
produce the same sensation in
oneself?
31
00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,800
That is for example, when one
looks at the sea or the stars
32
00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,500
and thinks of ones in
significance.
33
00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:37,400
Then there is a particular
sensation which is produced
34
00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,700
within.
And then at another time when
35
00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:45,900
one wants to have the same
experience, even if one thinks
36
00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:54,000
about It, why doesn't it recur?
And quote, the mother notes.
37
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Quote one can never have the
same experience twice because
38
00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,400
one is never the same person
twice between the first
39
00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,800
experience on the second.
Even if one hour has passed, you
40
00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,100
are no longer the same man and
you can never reproduce
41
00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:17,300
identically the same thing.
If you take care to become more
42
00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:23,400
conscious, more sincere, more
concentrated, the experience you
43
00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,200
have will be different, but it
may be deeper and more.
44
00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,000
Clear, but if you cling to
something, you have had and want
45
00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,900
to reproduce the same thing, you
will have nothing at all because
46
00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:40,800
you can't have the same thing
and you are in a state in which
47
00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,000
you refuse to have a new
experience for you are at
48
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Attached to the past one.
And usually when one has had an
49
00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,500
experience which was a
revelation, something
50
00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:57,500
altogether, important one
doesn't want to leave it.
51
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One is afraid of not having it
any longer.
52
00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:04,900
And so, in this movement of
clinging onto something when
53
00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:08,800
prevents oneself from
progressing and puts oneself in
54
00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:15,100
conditions in which one can't
have the next experience, Well,
55
00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,899
this has to be understood
because it is an absolute Fact.
56
00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:23,100
One can never have the same
experience twice.
57
00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,600
There may be similar
experiences, very close and
58
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:34,100
particularly some which appear
similar, but these experiences,
59
00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,700
if one is absolutely sincere
impartial and like a blank page.
60
00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,000
You will perceive that there is
a difference, sometimes an
61
00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,300
essential one.
Between the two though in
62
00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:53,700
appearance, they seem very close
but the more ready you are to
63
00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:58,300
leave behind all that you have
experienced in order to be able
64
00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:00,800
to go towards something better
and higher.
65
00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,700
The faster you will go.
The more you drag the heavy
66
00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:09,500
weight of all the past which you
don't want to get rid of the
67
00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:11,700
slower.
Is your Vance.
68
00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:16,800
All the past, should always be
simply like a stepping stone or
69
00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,700
a ladder, something to lead you
farther, it should not have any
70
00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:26,600
other use except to push you
forward and if you can feel this
71
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,800
and always turn your back on
what is past and look at what
72
00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,600
you want to do.
Then you go much faster, you
73
00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,300
don't waste time on the way.
What makes you lose time, as
74
00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:46,100
always this clinging, to what
has been to, what is, what
75
00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:49,800
seemed to you beautiful and good
in.
76
00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,700
What is past.
This must only help you.
77
00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:58,100
You must not reject it, but it
must help you to go forward.
78
00:05:58,700 --> 00:06:02,800
It must simply be something on
which you lean to take a step
79
00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:08,000
forward.
And quote, reference SRI
80
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aurobindo, and the mother
growing within the psychology of
81
00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:15,300
inner development.
Chapter 7, growth of
82
00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:20,100
Consciousness.
Inner experiences Pages, 144 to
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146,
00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:06,300
The external being wants to have
a stable basis by which it can
2
00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:11,400
understand and act in the world.
The tools that support the
3
00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,900
stable basis include habit.
Fix Tendencies, instincts,
4
00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:22,300
education, memory.
And even the way the mental
5
00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:27,900
processes work, comparing new
impulses of the senses to past
6
00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:32,700
memory to create pattern,
recognition and fixed lines of
7
00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:36,100
action.
Psychologists have even
8
00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:40,100
concluded that neural pathways
are built that through
9
00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:44,000
repetition lead, the
understanding down well-worn
10
00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,700
ways of understanding and acting
and which tend to solidify the
11
00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:55,900
life into predictable responses.
These things provide stability,
12
00:00:56,700 --> 00:01:01,100
and are one of the conservative
mechanisms that ensure that
13
00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:04,500
there is an orderly progression
in the life that has a basis.
14
00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:11,300
That is solid steady and sure
the energy required to overcome
15
00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:15,500
this inertia of the external
being is quite considerable.
16
00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:21,600
Yet progress can only occur when
an individual is able to pass
17
00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,300
beyond the limits of the past
ways of knowing and acting.
18
00:01:27,900 --> 00:01:30,500
The same thing happens with
respect to spiritual
19
00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:35,300
experiences, the individual
wants to continually repeat the
20
00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:40,300
experiences once they have made
an impression on him and then
21
00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:44,900
goes about classifying
organizing and remembering those
22
00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:51,000
experiences and uses this mental
framework to try to recapture
23
00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,100
the magic of that past event.
In a certain way, this may help
24
00:01:56,100 --> 00:02:00,800
during a period of consolidation
and fixing the experience into
25
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,900
the external workings of the
Mind, life and body.
26
00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:08,900
But to the extent, it remains
fixed their, the individual
27
00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:13,400
cannot progress to the next new
level of understanding and
28
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:19,400
experience.
A devotee inquires quote mother,
29
00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,000
why is it that the same
contemplation does not always
30
00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,400
produce the same sensation in
oneself?
31
00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,800
That is for example, when one
looks at the sea or the stars
32
00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,500
and thinks of ones in
significance.
33
00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:37,400
Then there is a particular
sensation which is produced
34
00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,700
within.
And then at another time when
35
00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:45,900
one wants to have the same
experience, even if one thinks
36
00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:54,000
about It, why doesn't it recur?
And quote, the mother notes.
37
00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,000
Quote one can never have the
same experience twice because
38
00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,400
one is never the same person
twice between the first
39
00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,800
experience on the second.
Even if one hour has passed, you
40
00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,100
are no longer the same man and
you can never reproduce
41
00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:17,300
identically the same thing.
If you take care to become more
42
00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:23,400
conscious, more sincere, more
concentrated, the experience you
43
00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,200
have will be different, but it
may be deeper and more.
44
00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,000
Clear, but if you cling to
something, you have had and want
45
00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,900
to reproduce the same thing, you
will have nothing at all because
46
00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:40,800
you can't have the same thing
and you are in a state in which
47
00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,000
you refuse to have a new
experience for you are at
48
00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,200
Attached to the past one.
And usually when one has had an
49
00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,500
experience which was a
revelation, something
50
00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:57,500
altogether, important one
doesn't want to leave it.
51
00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:00,200
One is afraid of not having it
any longer.
52
00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:04,900
And so, in this movement of
clinging onto something when
53
00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:08,800
prevents oneself from
progressing and puts oneself in
54
00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:15,100
conditions in which one can't
have the next experience, Well,
55
00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,899
this has to be understood
because it is an absolute Fact.
56
00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:23,100
One can never have the same
experience twice.
57
00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,600
There may be similar
experiences, very close and
58
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:34,100
particularly some which appear
similar, but these experiences,
59
00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,700
if one is absolutely sincere
impartial and like a blank page.
60
00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,000
You will perceive that there is
a difference, sometimes an
61
00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,300
essential one.
Between the two though in
62
00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:53,700
appearance, they seem very close
but the more ready you are to
63
00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:58,300
leave behind all that you have
experienced in order to be able
64
00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:00,800
to go towards something better
and higher.
65
00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,700
The faster you will go.
The more you drag the heavy
66
00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:09,500
weight of all the past which you
don't want to get rid of the
67
00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:11,700
slower.
Is your Vance.
68
00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:16,800
All the past, should always be
simply like a stepping stone or
69
00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,700
a ladder, something to lead you
farther, it should not have any
70
00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:26,600
other use except to push you
forward and if you can feel this
71
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,800
and always turn your back on
what is past and look at what
72
00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,600
you want to do.
Then you go much faster, you
73
00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,300
don't waste time on the way.
What makes you lose time, as
74
00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:46,100
always this clinging, to what
has been to, what is, what
75
00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:49,800
seemed to you beautiful and good
in.
76
00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,700
What is past.
This must only help you.
77
00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:58,100
You must not reject it, but it
must help you to go forward.
78
00:05:58,700 --> 00:06:02,800
It must simply be something on
which you lean to take a step
79
00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:08,000
forward.
And quote, reference SRI
80
00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,300
aurobindo, and the mother
growing within the psychology of
81
00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:15,300
inner development.
Chapter 7, growth of
82
00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:20,100
Consciousness.
Inner experiences Pages, 144 to
83
00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:21,300
146,
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