May 20, 2023
Spiritual Experience Comes and Goes Until the Nature Becomes Ready for a Total Shift of Standpoint
This episode is also available as a blog post:
https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2023/05/18/spiritual-experience-comes-and-goes-until-the-nature-becomes-ready-for-a-total-shift-of-standpoint/
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, Growing Within: The Psychology of Inner Development, Chapter IX Reversal of Consciousness: The New Birth, pp. 167-169
1
00:00:01,900 --> 00:00:05,100
Most people who take up
spiritual practices, are deeply
2
00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:09,700
involved in some kind of regular
practice and as with everything
3
00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:13,900
else in the normal life, they
look for signs and signals that
4
00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:17,000
show they are making progress in
their chosen path of
5
00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,500
development.
And experience comes some new
6
00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:26,200
revelatory insight takes hold of
them and they rejoice in the
7
00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,300
obvious signs of progress.
Only these experiences and
8
00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:37,000
insights with their intensity
and authenticity, tend to recede
9
00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,600
fade and become a thing of
memory, rather than a living
10
00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,900
constant experience.
This can bring disappointment
11
00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:48,600
concern.
And even depression to the
12
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,200
Seeker, this phenomenon is known
to spiritual and religious
13
00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,200
aspirants throughout history.
The famous Christian work of
14
00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,000
Pilgrim's Progress, describes
the difficulty, the Seeker
15
00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,500
experiences in the slough of
despond where seemingly, all the
16
00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:11,700
spiritual illumination has
disappeared and the individual
17
00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,500
is struggling with the pressures
of life and Human Nature.
18
00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:21,000
In actuality, it is important to
consider the complexity of the
19
00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,900
changes being sought, the
multiple layers of the human
20
00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:29,100
instrument and the need to
appreciate the time Dimension,
21
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,000
SRI aurobindo describes a
process of assent and
22
00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,200
integration where the Seeker
opens up to a higher force or
23
00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,500
level of Consciousness is
touched by that.
24
00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:47,200
And then there is needed a
period of time to A simile, and
25
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,200
adjust the rest of the nature to
the new seeing and way of acting
26
00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:57,000
until the nature is fully ready
to switch it standpoint.
27
00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,600
And basis entirely, it will
naturally modulate back and
28
00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,600
forth between the two states, an
integral transformation of the
29
00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,699
external being and nature
actually requires this kind of
30
00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:15,000
process-oriented cannot be any
cutting of the not of human
31
00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,100
nature.
To escape into some form of
32
00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:21,500
Nirvana or permanently Blissful
experience.
33
00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,000
While disregarding downplaying
or simply abandoning the
34
00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:33,000
external nature and the life and
the world, the mother writes
35
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,000
quote, there is one phenomenon,
which obviously seems
36
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,600
indispensable.
If one wants to realization to
37
00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,600
become stable experiences, come
touch the Consciousness.
38
00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,900
Sometimes bring Great
illuminations then get blurred
39
00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,200
Retreat into the background and
outwardly in your ordinary
40
00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,100
Consciousness.
You don't feel that there is a
41
00:02:57,100 --> 00:03:01,600
great change, a great difference
and this phenomenon may occur,
42
00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,900
very often may repeat itself for
many years, suddenly you get a
43
00:03:06,908 --> 00:03:10,700
sort of Revelation like an
illumination, you were in the
44
00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:14,800
true Consciousness and have the
feeling of having got hold of
45
00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,700
the real thing.
And then slowly or suddenly, it
46
00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:25,300
seems to recede behind you and
you seek, but do not find that
47
00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:27,100
there is any great change in
you.
48
00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:32,100
These things seem to come as
Harold's or as promises see, it
49
00:03:32,100 --> 00:03:35,400
will happen or to tell you,
well, have faith.
50
00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,600
It will be like that.
And this may recur, very often
51
00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,000
there is progress obviously, but
it is very slow and hardly a
52
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,100
parent.
But then suddenly perhaps
53
00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:54,300
because when is sufficiently
prepared, perhaps simply because
54
00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:56,200
the time has come and it has
been.
55
00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:02,500
So decreed suddenly when such an
experience occurs, its result in
56
00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:05,700
the part of the being where it
takes place is a complete
57
00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,400
reversal of Consciousness.
It is a very clear, very
58
00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,800
concrete phenomenon, the best
way of describing it as this a
59
00:04:14,808 --> 00:04:19,500
complete reversal.
And then, the relation of the
60
00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:23,200
Consciousness, with the other
parts of the being and with the
61
00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:29,300
outer world is, as if complete
changed, absolutely, like an
62
00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:33,900
overturning and that reversal,
no longer comes back to the same
63
00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:38,200
old place, the Consciousness.
No longer returns to its former
64
00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,800
position.
SRI aurobindo would say status
65
00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:46,400
Once this has happened in any
part of the being this part of
66
00:04:46,408 --> 00:04:51,800
the being is stabilized.
And until that happens, it comes
67
00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,700
and goes comes and goes one
advances, and then has the
68
00:04:56,700 --> 00:05:00,800
impression of marking time.
And when advances again, and
69
00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,900
then marks time again, and
sometimes one feels as though,
70
00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:10,100
one were going backwards and it
is interminable and indeed, it
71
00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:15,300
is interminable it.
May last for years and years and
72
00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:19,900
years. but when this reversal of
Consciousness takes place
73
00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:24,800
whether in the mind or a part of
the Mind, whether in the vital
74
00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:29,000
or a part of the vital or even
in the physical Consciousness
75
00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,200
itself, And in the body
Consciousness.
76
00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,500
Once this is established, it is
over you.
77
00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:41,500
No longer go back, you don't do
not ever return to what you were
78
00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:45,100
before.
And this is the true indication
79
00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:48,900
that you have taken a step
forward to finit of lie.
80
00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:56,400
And before this, there are only
preparations and quote reference
81
00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,200
SRI aurobindo in the mother
growing within the G of inner
82
00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,500
development, chapter 9 reversal
of Consciousness.
83
00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:10,500
The new birth Pages 167 to 169.
00:00:01,900 --> 00:00:05,100
Most people who take up
spiritual practices, are deeply
2
00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:09,700
involved in some kind of regular
practice and as with everything
3
00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:13,900
else in the normal life, they
look for signs and signals that
4
00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:17,000
show they are making progress in
their chosen path of
5
00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,500
development.
And experience comes some new
6
00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:26,200
revelatory insight takes hold of
them and they rejoice in the
7
00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,300
obvious signs of progress.
Only these experiences and
8
00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:37,000
insights with their intensity
and authenticity, tend to recede
9
00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,600
fade and become a thing of
memory, rather than a living
10
00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,900
constant experience.
This can bring disappointment
11
00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:48,600
concern.
And even depression to the
12
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,200
Seeker, this phenomenon is known
to spiritual and religious
13
00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,200
aspirants throughout history.
The famous Christian work of
14
00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,000
Pilgrim's Progress, describes
the difficulty, the Seeker
15
00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,500
experiences in the slough of
despond where seemingly, all the
16
00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:11,700
spiritual illumination has
disappeared and the individual
17
00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,500
is struggling with the pressures
of life and Human Nature.
18
00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:21,000
In actuality, it is important to
consider the complexity of the
19
00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,900
changes being sought, the
multiple layers of the human
20
00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:29,100
instrument and the need to
appreciate the time Dimension,
21
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,000
SRI aurobindo describes a
process of assent and
22
00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,200
integration where the Seeker
opens up to a higher force or
23
00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,500
level of Consciousness is
touched by that.
24
00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:47,200
And then there is needed a
period of time to A simile, and
25
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,200
adjust the rest of the nature to
the new seeing and way of acting
26
00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:57,000
until the nature is fully ready
to switch it standpoint.
27
00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,600
And basis entirely, it will
naturally modulate back and
28
00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,600
forth between the two states, an
integral transformation of the
29
00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,699
external being and nature
actually requires this kind of
30
00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:15,000
process-oriented cannot be any
cutting of the not of human
31
00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,100
nature.
To escape into some form of
32
00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:21,500
Nirvana or permanently Blissful
experience.
33
00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,000
While disregarding downplaying
or simply abandoning the
34
00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:33,000
external nature and the life and
the world, the mother writes
35
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,000
quote, there is one phenomenon,
which obviously seems
36
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,600
indispensable.
If one wants to realization to
37
00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,600
become stable experiences, come
touch the Consciousness.
38
00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,900
Sometimes bring Great
illuminations then get blurred
39
00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,200
Retreat into the background and
outwardly in your ordinary
40
00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,100
Consciousness.
You don't feel that there is a
41
00:02:57,100 --> 00:03:01,600
great change, a great difference
and this phenomenon may occur,
42
00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,900
very often may repeat itself for
many years, suddenly you get a
43
00:03:06,908 --> 00:03:10,700
sort of Revelation like an
illumination, you were in the
44
00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:14,800
true Consciousness and have the
feeling of having got hold of
45
00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,700
the real thing.
And then slowly or suddenly, it
46
00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:25,300
seems to recede behind you and
you seek, but do not find that
47
00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:27,100
there is any great change in
you.
48
00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:32,100
These things seem to come as
Harold's or as promises see, it
49
00:03:32,100 --> 00:03:35,400
will happen or to tell you,
well, have faith.
50
00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,600
It will be like that.
And this may recur, very often
51
00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,000
there is progress obviously, but
it is very slow and hardly a
52
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,100
parent.
But then suddenly perhaps
53
00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:54,300
because when is sufficiently
prepared, perhaps simply because
54
00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:56,200
the time has come and it has
been.
55
00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:02,500
So decreed suddenly when such an
experience occurs, its result in
56
00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:05,700
the part of the being where it
takes place is a complete
57
00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,400
reversal of Consciousness.
It is a very clear, very
58
00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,800
concrete phenomenon, the best
way of describing it as this a
59
00:04:14,808 --> 00:04:19,500
complete reversal.
And then, the relation of the
60
00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:23,200
Consciousness, with the other
parts of the being and with the
61
00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:29,300
outer world is, as if complete
changed, absolutely, like an
62
00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:33,900
overturning and that reversal,
no longer comes back to the same
63
00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:38,200
old place, the Consciousness.
No longer returns to its former
64
00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,800
position.
SRI aurobindo would say status
65
00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:46,400
Once this has happened in any
part of the being this part of
66
00:04:46,408 --> 00:04:51,800
the being is stabilized.
And until that happens, it comes
67
00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,700
and goes comes and goes one
advances, and then has the
68
00:04:56,700 --> 00:05:00,800
impression of marking time.
And when advances again, and
69
00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,900
then marks time again, and
sometimes one feels as though,
70
00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:10,100
one were going backwards and it
is interminable and indeed, it
71
00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:15,300
is interminable it.
May last for years and years and
72
00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:19,900
years. but when this reversal of
Consciousness takes place
73
00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:24,800
whether in the mind or a part of
the Mind, whether in the vital
74
00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:29,000
or a part of the vital or even
in the physical Consciousness
75
00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,200
itself, And in the body
Consciousness.
76
00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,500
Once this is established, it is
over you.
77
00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:41,500
No longer go back, you don't do
not ever return to what you were
78
00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:45,100
before.
And this is the true indication
79
00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:48,900
that you have taken a step
forward to finit of lie.
80
00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:56,400
And before this, there are only
preparations and quote reference
81
00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,200
SRI aurobindo in the mother
growing within the G of inner
82
00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,500
development, chapter 9 reversal
of Consciousness.
83
00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:10,500
The new birth Pages 167 to 169.
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