Solving the Existential Crisis of Humanity By Evolution of Consciousness

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Welcome to the selfgrowth.com
show.

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My name is David Ricklin and I'm
the founder of selfgrowth.com.

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They will be discussing solving
humanity's existential crisis

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through the evolutionary
development of consciousness.

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I know that's a very challenging
concept.

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We're going to delve in deep is
a lot of problems going on in

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the world right now.
To help us understand these

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topics, I'm excited to interview
Santosh Krinsky.

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Make sure you have something to
write with.

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We're going to be sharing a lot
of information today.

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Before we get started, I want to
take a couple of minutes and

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share some information on
Santosh.

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Santosh Krinsky's been studying
3 Arabindos The Life Divine

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since 1971 and we'll be getting
to some detail about who he is

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and and why he's important.
He's lived in the USA, Europe

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and India and is Ben and remains
active in the natural products

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industry.
Since 1974.

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He's the editor at Lotus Press,
a publisher of books on

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spirituality and Wellness, with
a special focus on Ayurveda,

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Reiki and herbalism and the
writings of Sri Arbindo.

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He is himself the author of 13
books of readings focused on the

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works of Sri Arbindo, and he
publishes a daily blog post as

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he expands his study.
Santosh is president of a

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nonprofit institute for holistic
education, which is dedicated to

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the work of integrating
spirituality into daily life.

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He resides with his wife,
Karuna.

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Hope I get the pronunciation
right in Honolulu, HI.

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Santosh, welcome to today's
show.

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Well, thank you.
It's my pleasure to be here.

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All right, very excited.
A lot of deep topics I want to

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cover today and we're going to
delve in deeply.

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But the first thing I want to
start with, it's something I

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mentioned in terms of the our
broad topic, what is this, the

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existential crisis of humanity
today?

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So let's take a broad look.
What is that?

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Well, essentially we're looking
at a lot of changes that have

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taken place since the Industrial
revolution to the point where we

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are experiencing massive species
die off on the planet, climate

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change, the development of
weapons that can totally

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annihilate humanity.
But even more close to home, we

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have a very small percentage of
people on the planet who live

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like the greatest kings or
maharajas in history, while

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billions of people are barely
able to survive.

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We have a freshwater crisis
that's been across the world.

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We have a food crisis.
We have a lot of tensions

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because of these issues that's
leading to mass migrations and

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warfare and a lot of Saber
rattling going on around the

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world.
Now, clearly humanity has dozens

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of ways to destroy ourselves and
the planet right now that we

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didn't have two or 300 years
ago.

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And people are anxious, fearful
and confused about what to do

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about it because these are such
massive problems of someone

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mentioned to me just this
morning that even Warren Buffett

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with all his billions of dollars
says that he cannot solve these

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type of problems.
And it makes him confused,

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fearful and concerned.
Thank you for mentioning that to

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me this morning.
You're welcome.

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I it's interesting.
There's no, there's been no time

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in our history like this where
we have, as you mentioned, just

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so many means of self
destruction, self annihilation

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like never before.
It's amazing that we put

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ourselves in a position.
But with that, hopefully, and

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we'll be discussing today some
things that we can do that

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individuals can do and we can do
as a society and mankind to to

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offset some of these challenges
that we deal with.

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So I want, I want to take a
minute because I know one of the

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things you've done is you, you
focused on studying 3 hour

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Bendos life and his worked.
Why is he important?

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Why is he important in general?
And how does some of his

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teachings apply in what we're
going to be talking about today?

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OK, well basically I should say
I've studied a vast array of

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spiritual and religious
teachings from around the world,

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Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism,
Buddhism along the way, so I'm

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not essentially limited there.
What I found in the work of Sri

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Aurobindo was he integrated a
lot of disparate facts that we

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do not normally understand the
common thread, and showed that

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there is an evolution of
consciousness that has been

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taking place on our planet since
its inception as a a ball of

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fiery matter up to the point
that human beings came forward.

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And people have misunderstood
the idea of evolution.

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They think it's some kind of
situation where man descended

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from the apes or whatever.
And whether or not that's

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physically true about the
physical evolution.

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More importantly, he speaks
about an evolution of

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consciousness, the consciousness
in matter, then the

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consciousness in the vital force
of plants and then animals, and

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eventually the development of
the human being and the mental

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consciousness.
And all of these things

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systematically came forward and
developed the forms that were

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able to hold that level of
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And at this point, we find that
the evolutionary crisis is that

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we are applying to problems we
created with our mental

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consciousness to manage the
material world and the vital

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world around us.
But with the limitations of the

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mental consciousness, we've
created a hole for ourselves

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that we've dug ourselves into.
And Triora Bindo points out that

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the evolution of consciousness
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at times when nature creates a
crisis of existential

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proportions, that the next level
of consciousness must appear and

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must begin to act upon the world
or we wind up destroying

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ourselves.
And so I think that's the

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important aspect that trioral
Bindo focused on.

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That really is something
revolutionary Albert Einstein

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said.
We cannot solve our problems

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with the same thinking we used
when we created them.

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And that's why we're all
confused and fearful nowadays,

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because we keep trying to apply
mental ideas and solutions to

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that now are far beyond what any
mental solution can provide.

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Which is why we have everyone
shouting at each other and why

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we have gridlock in our society.
Because we're all seeing 1

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little piece of the puzzle and
saying this is the solution.

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And in fact, all of them have
limitations and weaknesses based

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on the limits of the mental
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All right.
Let me delve in a little deeper

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into a few things that you've
said so far.

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So one of the challenges you
mentioned in terms of trying to

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find a solution to this
existential crisis is we really

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haven't evolved.
Our level of consciousness

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hasn't evolved yet.
Is that the main reason that

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past solutions, past things that
we've tried have failed?

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Or are there other there are
other aspects to it?

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Well, some of it is just we have
used the mental power primarily

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to try to aggrandize ourselves
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We use it to fulfill our
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We don't even apply the mental
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uplifts us.
It basically we try to find ways

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to have more technology, have
creation, have more enjoyment

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and how to game the system if
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understanding why it is we are
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meant to do with our lives on
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If we think that the entire
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universe is to eat, drink and be
merry, well, frankly, we

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probably have too limited a
viewpoint about things.

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All right, so in essence, it
sounds like you're saying that

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this massive brain power and
development we've really been

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focusing on, you know, almost
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It's the kind of the the the
physical pleasures in in most

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cases, instead of understanding
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the spiritual world and our
conscious level of being that

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all this energy, but we have
this brain power, but it's just

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using in one very specific focus
and instead of using it broadly

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kind of fix things for for now
in the future.

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Is that is that an accurate
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That's one side of the picture
and it's it's a good start, but

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we're not limited to the brain
power of the mental

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consciousness.
The evolution continues and new

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manifestations of consciousness
will evolve beyond the mental

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level.
And so there's two aspects to

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it.
One is we're not using our minds

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to their optimum potential.
Secondly, we're not opening

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ourselves and becoming receptive
to the pressure of the next

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level of consciousness that's
trying to manifest in the world,

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and we are capable of achieving
that level through our

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development.
Maybe we should go quickly into

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the evolution of consciousness
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that we're sort of stuck.
Here.

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OK, let's focus on that.
OK, so if somebody were looking

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at the planet Earth billions of
years ago, they would have seen

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a ball of matter, They would
have not seen any forms of life

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whatsoever.
You Fast forward several billion

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years and suddenly you see plant
life evolving and coming forward

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out of matter.
And if you keep fast forwarding,

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you see animal life coming and
eventually you see human life

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coming.
With each level you see a new

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power of consciousness for the
material level, which is very

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much mechanical in nature.
It's atoms and molecules and

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forces of gravity and
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thing.
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you begin to see a vital
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attraction and repulsion and
desires and various needs.

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At the mental level, you begin
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human beings begin to think
about, well, why am I here?

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What is the universe about?
How do things work?

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The reality is it's like a seed
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If you see the seed of a tree,
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Nobody knows that encoded inside
that seed is a big tree.

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Plant it and give it the right
conditions, the tree comes out

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of it.
The world is pretty much the

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seed of development of the
consciousness of the universe,

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you could say.
And so we see first with the

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tree, some roots appear, a
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then you get, then you get
branches and you get eventually

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the flowers and the fruits and
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The same thing happens with the
planet and that evolution of

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consciousness.
So we've seen the vital level

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come out, we've seen the lower
mental level come out, we've

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seen flashes of a higher level
of mentality come out.

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And some people over time have
had experiences, spiritual

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experiences, what they may call
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experiences, that show them that
there is another further reality

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beyond what we can do with
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And that is the first indication
that another level of

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consciousness is out there
waiting and striving to evolve

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and develop on the planet.
And it is a level that totally

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transforms the way we
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to the issues of life.
All right, that's interesting.

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I'm just kind of thinking
through the steps and where we

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are right now.
So at this point, a smaller,

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much smaller percentage of the
population and, and I would

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argue that probably only last
few 1000 years of mankind have

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developed to this next level or
are just beginning to develop

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this next level of, of
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And from what you're saying is
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they'll be even more levels of
consciousness that man will

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create and strive to.
So we're, we're still at a point

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where perhaps we don't even know
what our limits in terms of

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developing this consciousness
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Is that would that be an
accurate view?

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Absolutely.
That is, what we're seeing here

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is that even in humanity we have
people who manifest some of the

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higher powers of the mind and we
have some who don't, who are

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living more or less a purely
vital life.

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Right.
Maybe for reasons of opportunity

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or educational background or the
stresses of just trying to

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survive in a harsh world.
Because we found that people all

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over the world, when given
opportunities, have the capacity

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to develop their mental powers.
So it's not a matter of one

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group or person is better than
another, but a lot of it is

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where they are, what they have
to deal with.

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And.
How they're given evolutionary

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opportunities, but then we see
at the same time, not just these

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levels within mentality, but we
see some people following a

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spiritual path, following a
deeper religious path as they

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are called to find out more, to
understand why they're here,

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what their life is about, and
how they can participate in that

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higher purpose.
OK, So I get it.

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Would you, would you say that
people that are striving for

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those types of things have a
better understanding of why

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we're here of a, a kind of a
bigger world view are geared

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more towards or moving more
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levels of consciousness?
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say that all of us who try to
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life or for higher things have
different levels of where we are

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in that realization.
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understanding, some have less.
Some, like me, have to spend 40

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years studying one book to try
and figure out what my book is

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about.
You know, it's really, it's

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really something that is never
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We have stages of our growth and
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And I can say that I feel like
I've learned a lot in 40 years

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to the point where I can say
that I really don't know very

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much.
So there's a lot more to go.

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Yeah, there's.
An old saying that the more you

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know, the more you know that you
don't know.

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Well, I would agree with that.
The more you're more learning

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about the stuff you don't know.
So one of the things we want to

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focus on today was this concept
is an existential crisis.

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What can we do about it?
You know, we haven't had the

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tools and haven't haven't been
able to kind of fix things.

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The problems are still there and
they're worsening.

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Can be argued that they're
worsening.

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What can humanity what, what can
humanity do to seek a solution

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for the kind of this this crisis
of survival almost.

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And so 22 broad questions.
What can humanity do?

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And then what could we or should
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And it and we'll start with
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Let's start with that, OK?
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impressed by a particular
statement of Shriora Bindos,

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which I'll share with you, and
that is to hope for a true

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change of human life without a
change of human nature is an

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irrational and unspiritual
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And if we think about that for a
moment, OK, we want to put a

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Band-Aid over all these problems
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We have plastic in the ocean.
The solution as well?

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Let's just clean up the plastic,
or maybe stop using straws or

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something that isn't solving the
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We're still seeing the world as
individual fragments interacting

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with and fighting over the
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of the planet, and we see
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actors on a stage in a hostile
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Basically, that viewpoint is
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viewpoint.
A change of consciousness leads

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to a change of human nature, and
the essential change of

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consciousness can be illustrated
by back a few thousand years

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ago, virtually all of humanity
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around the Earth.
The Earth was the center of the

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universe.
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Everything was there for the
Earth's benefit, and then along

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came certain individuals in
science and they studied it and

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they said, well, actually the
Earth revolves around the sun

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and it turns, and that's what
creates the phenomenon that we

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see differently.
So if we apply that same logic

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to how we live in the world and
the consciousness we use, we say

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that the individual human being,
you and I, are not the center of

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the universe.
It's all not here just for our

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vital and physical satisfaction.
So when we see the image from

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the space station of planet
Earth, and we see that it's one

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unified whole and not a bunch of
different countries fighting

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with each other over resources,
we begin to see the shift in

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consciousness that is both
coming and necessary for us to

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change the way we relate to the
problems we're facing.

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We begin to see that we are part
of a unity that has a larger

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purpose in the universe.
Our Earth is part of a solar

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system.
The solar system is part of the

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Milky Way Galaxy.
The Galaxy is one of many

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galaxies, and these many
galaxies are part of the

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universe.
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will tell you there are multiple
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Is that all there so that we can
enjoy our pina coladas on the

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beach in the evening?
I don't think so.

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You see what I mean?
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So the essential change of
consciousness is to shift from

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an understanding of
fragmentation and division to a

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vision and an actual experience
of unity of all humanity and all

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the beings on the planet.
You know, we could not survive

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without the trees on this
planet, even though we're

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cutting them down and burning as
fast as we can because we are

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symbiotic to them.
Think about that for a moment.

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We don't think about that.
We think of trees as a resource

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to be used, to be cut down, to
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room for something else.
But they create the oxygen that

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we need by breathing in the
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So we and the trees are one
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And trees means all the plant
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Essentially, we can't live
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They can't live without us.
So why don't we recognize that?

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Why can't we live in that
understanding of unity when that

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starts to happen?
Because I'm now going to answer

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your question.
When that starts to happen, both

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on the global level and on the
individual level, it changes our

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entire relationship to each
other and to the way we look

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upon the planet.
And suddenly we realized that

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the other people on the planet
are not our enemies.

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The planet is there to be shared
among all the people and all the

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beings and animals that are on
the planet, and to be honored

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and nourished and nurtured as
our home, as part of our being

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from which we come.
And at that point, we're not

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fighting over how I can grab
more, but we're understanding

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how we can better apply the
resources and not be wasteful

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and not be harmful planet to
other people.

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And our whole vision of how to
create international relations,

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how to deal with our world, how
to apply science and technology,

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all of that changes.
So then we come to the question.

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The second part of your question
was, well, what can I do as an

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individual?
And there are several things.

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These type of changes of
awareness don't happen

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overnight, generally or
magically.

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You know.
Back in the 60s people thought

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they could take a pill and
achieve cosmic consciousness.

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Well, OK, they got an experience
of something that said they were

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not stole, fragmented
individuals, but eventually they

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come down and they have to now
deal with the fact that they

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still have to relate to their
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So part of it is to undertake
the mental and vital development

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that we said was not fully
developed earlier so that we

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become more understanding and
appreciative.

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We begin to look for the unity
and consciously relate to that

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unity wherever we can.
Start to look at our opinions,

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look at our desires, look at our
needs, and try to make some

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adjustments to that while
recognizing that that is not

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enough.
It is eventually necessary for

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us to allow the next level of
consciousness through intuition

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or through whatever spiritual
practices 1 undertakes to begin

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to manifest within us, and that
is a long lifetime process.

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The the Sages, the Rishi's, the
spiritual and religious leaders

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have all said that know thyself,
be true to thyself, understand

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the oneness of humanity.
Those are words until we begin

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to actually practice them and
you start where you are.

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You know, they say that one
little ripple can change the

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universe.
The butterfly effect.

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Well, what if 1000 people start
trying to see the world from

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this different viewpoint, become
receptive to it, undertake their

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own spiritual practices and, and
let me say this, it has nothing

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to do with a specific religion,
specific philosophy or a

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specific practice.
Whatever people are doing to

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evolve and develop themselves is
a positive pursuit and they

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should follow it and carry it
out.

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We're not in opposition with
each other as to whether we are

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believers in Buddha or Christ or
Muhammad or Krishna or whomever,

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or philosophers such as Plato or
Descartes.

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It doesn't matter.
What matters is that we actually

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try to live that and be
receptive to new thoughts, new

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feelings and new inspirations as
they come and what we see when

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that happens.
The spiritual experiences

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described by the leaders of the
world over centuries who have

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had these experiences, they tell
you you begin to experience a

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force within you descending from
above your mind into your body

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and changing the way you react
to things.

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Because it's not that we
separate fragmented individuals

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have to do this.
We that's still the old mental

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viewpoint.
We need to allow the evolution

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that manifested matter, life and
mind to manifest the next level

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within the framework of who we
are as human beings.

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And so we have to become
receptive and we have to begin

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to trust the inspiration that
comes from that perception of

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unity.
So let me just mention a few

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things that I'm hearing and I
just want to kind of reaffirm.

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So it seems to me that in order
to take on some of these bigger

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existential challenges that
we're talking about, that not

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only does humanity as a whole
need to develop this kind of a,

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the next level of consciousness,
but all individuals should focus

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in their own way, in their kind
of their own, their own world

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and developing themselves
spiritually and to work in

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developing their, their own
personal level of consciousness

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or, or greater level of
consciousness independently of

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where they are now.
So whatever, whatever level

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we're on now, people should look
to kind of expand their

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awareness.
And by expanding their

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awareness, it, it sounds like a
big part of this is

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understanding kind of the unity
of the whole world of how

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everything fits together.
And I, I think you're, you're

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right.
And one of the things that you

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said is we, we tend to think in
our own little space and our,

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you know, we're doing our own
little piece and we can just get

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our piece of the world and let's
take what we can.

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But based on the interactions
you're you're talking about,

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there's just too many factors at
play and we're all working

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together.
It's kind of an interlocked

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system.
So whether you might think that

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you're sitting there in an
isolated position and you're

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just doing your own piece of the
world, but in essence, we're all

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locked together.
Is that is that an accurate

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assessment of of some of your
views?

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To a great degree, I would only
say that I don't expect that

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every individual on the planet
will get to the same place at

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the same time.
That's not that's not a

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necessary factor.
You know, there's a concept in

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logging called the key log.
When they're cutting down trees

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and come into a river to move
them somewhere, they get

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blocked.
And an expert in logging can go

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and find the one log that, when
it's moved, allows the entire

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flow to take place.
And so we have a key log that we

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need to understand in our lives
that will allow this new

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consciousness to pour forth.
And so most of that is related

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to simply our preconceived
habits and notions about what

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our life is that we've been
indoctrinated to believe that we

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get bombarded with every day in
the media.

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And it's really hard for any
individual to get bombarded with

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that and still keep some sense
of a larger purpose.

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So, you know, people like, for
instance, His Holiness the Dalai

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Lama will say whatever the
teachings are, my teaching is

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love and compassion.
And others will say, well, it's

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having gratitude.
These are emotions and feelings

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that open the being and make us
more human, give us more

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relationship to one another,
more understanding, more

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appreciation.
And really, at this stage,

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that's the key log we need to
move people away from material

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gratification as their purpose
to appreciating the wonder, the

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beauty and the harmony of the
world through compassion, love,

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gratitude, and reaching out to
others and building bridges

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rather than setting up walls and
putting us behind the walls with

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a weaponry to fight off
everybody else.

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What you just said, it was very
powerful in that for me, it

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summed up a lot of what you're
saying and a lot of what we need

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to do as a people.
Where you started out by saying

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we need to move away from this
occupation with materialism and

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consumerism and we need to make
AI guess a conscious effort to

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moving away from that.
And that's it.

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That's a big change 'cause I I
think of how the world runs and

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it's driven and part of the
challenge you're talking about

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commercials and advertising and
the messages we're getting.

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It's driven by this materialism
consumerism.

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So it's, it's almost looking at
it and saying, all right, we got

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to stop, at least for us as
individuals and we need to open

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ourselves up to these, these
other ways of thinking.

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Yes, you know, Sri Aravinda at
one point said that we are

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satiated but not satisfied with
the material benefits that we in

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the world.
People are not happy.

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They are alienated, cynical,
frustrated and angry at the same

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time.
They've got all these material

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things and all these recreations
and all these enticements and

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excitements.
The reality is we feel less our

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humanity and our common humanity
and less goodwill the more we

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isolate ourselves into this
satiation.

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Yes.
So we really need to understand

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that our fulfillment and
benefiting the world through a

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more human response to it go
together.

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All right.
On a practical level, and you've

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covered some of these, but maybe
you can reinforce them, what can

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we do to kind of participate in
this change?

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So on a on a practical level, so
you mentioned learning and

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following a spiritual path,
whether it be teachings of Dalai

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Lama or you mentioned different
religious teaching or spiritual

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teaching.
What else can we do to kind of

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participate as individuals and
bring about this change both in

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ourselves and in humanity?
Well, I think that just by

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starting the thought process and
then trying to implement it in

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daily life, people will begin to
notice a lot of different things

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of I'll give you an example.
There are many people who are

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deathly afraid of bees, OK?
And they see a bee and the first

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thing they want to do is kill
it.

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And they're not thinking about
the fact that bees are essential

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to providing the food that they
eat.

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And they don't need to be
fearful of bees.

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They need to understand the role
the bees play.

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Take that very simple example
and say you have a fearful

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individual and that individual
begins to reflect upon the

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oneness of everything and says,
well, OK, I'm I just had a

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fearful reaction to a bee.
Why am I reacting that way?

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And, you know, how can I deal
with that in a different way?

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Begin to reflect on all the
positive things the bees do.

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And then they begin to observe
them and see that they're really

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interested in the flowers.
They're not interested in coming

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out and attacking people.
And.

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Over time, that fear reaction
begins to subside and they've

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created a new relationship to
another being on the planet.

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Well, multiply that by every
interaction we have, you see

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massive amounts of opportunity
for change.

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That's why Sri Aurobindo calls
what we're talking about here

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the adventure of consciousness.
We've explored outer space,

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we've explored under the sea,
we've explored the tops and

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mountains.
And Sri Aurobindo says it's time

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to explore inner space and have
the adventure of consciousness.

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And it is an adventure because
you have to face up to every

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issue.
Someone cuts you off on the road

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00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,760
and you're angry with them.
You're not understanding.

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They're trying to get a sick
person to the hospital and

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they're doing what they need to
do and you're expressing anger.

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Well examine that and find out
why is it I'm reacting and how

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can I look at it differently.
But I can have compassion

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towards that being and not let
them live rent free in my head.

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As someone has said, yes.
Heard that before.

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Exactly.
I like.

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This concept, the adventure of
consciousness.

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So there's a couple things you
said.

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I like that a lot.
I also like the fact that we're

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kind of fighting to be satiated,
but most people aren't

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satisfied.
That's an.

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Interesting.
It's an interesting concept and

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one of the things I hear a lot
about especially in the business

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00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,280
world, but it's all over that
people are are not engaged,

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00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,400
they're kind of disengaged in
their world and we need to

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reengage and these are some of
the ways is talking about to

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00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,440
kind of reengage yourself.
So I want to take a minute over

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here.
Obviously, you talked a lot

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00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,920
about Sarah Benda.
Can you just share website?

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00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,520
What's the best way to find
resources, more learning or more

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00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,800
tools with where do people go?
Sure.

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Well, we have a a page called
orobindo.net on the net and that

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00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,960
landing page will give some
introductions.

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We'll introduce people to some
of the books that he's written

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00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,040
or some of the introductions
about Triorrobindo and his work.

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00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,400
I think that's a pretty good
place to start.

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00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,560
I should mention Shrioro Bindo
was not interested in starting a

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00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,560
new cult, religion, following,
or anything else.

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His stated purpose was to
support the evolution of

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consciousness on the planet, and
each individual needs to find

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00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,440
their way through there.
His writings are meant to assist

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00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,280
you in whatever your path is.
He's not looking for someone

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00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,400
flying the Orobindo flag and
going to war with somebody else.

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On the contrary, you know, if
you're a Christian or a Buddhist

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or a Hindu or a Jain or an
atheist, whatever, you can

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00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,240
participate in this evolution of
consciousness.

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And his insights may be useful
to that process.

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00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,680
All right, and I'm going to.
Spell that out for folks who

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didn't aren't looking at a link.
It's arrobindo.net.

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It's a UROBINDO arrobindo.net.
All right, I just want to take a

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couple of minutes right now to
give you a chance to kind of sum

549
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,760
up any final message for our
listeners today.

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Things you haven't covered or
any final message what what

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00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,440
people should do at this point
Well.

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I'll I'll give you another
citation from Sri Aurobindo here

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that I think is salient.
The most vital issue of the age

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is whether the future progress
of humanity is to be governed by

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00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,880
the modern economic and
materialistic mind of the West,

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00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:15,560
or by a nobler pragmatism
guided, uplifted and enlightened

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00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,040
by spiritual culture and
knowledge.

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And I think that sums it up all
right.

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Thank you very much for joining
us today.

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I appreciate you shared a lot of
wisdoms, your own wisdom and

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wisdom from Sri Arbundi.
I really thank you for joining

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us.
And I want to thank everybody

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00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,320
for listening today.
And I want to implore folks live

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00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,840
a great, successful life.
Thanks for being part of

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00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,400
selfgrowth.com.
Thanks for being part and

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00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,280
joining us today.
We'll talk to everybody soon.

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Thanks, Steven.
You're welcome.