Practical Applications for Solving the Existential Crisis of Humanity Through the Evolution of Consciousness

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Welcome to the selfgrowth.com
show.

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My name is David Ricklin and I'm
the founder of selfgrowth.com.

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Today we'll be discussing an
interesting topic, practical

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applications for solving the
existential crisis of humanity

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through the evolution of
consciousness.

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It's an interesting topic we'll
be getting into in quite a bit.

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To help us understand this
topic, I'm excited to interview

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Santosh Kinski, who's with me
today.

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Make sure to listen closely.
We're going to be sharing a lot

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of information today.
Before we get started, I just

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want to share some information
about his background and then

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we're going to jump in over
here.

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So Santosh has been studying 3
Arabindos writing since 1971,

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has a daily blog and a podcast,
is the author of 16 books, and

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he's the editor in chief at
Lotus Press.

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He's the president of the
Institute for Holistic

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Education, which is a nonprofit
focus on integrating

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spirituality into daily life.
He spent more than 48 years

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building and developing
infrastructure, publishing,

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distributing and educating about
the spiritual path of Sri

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Aravindo, as well as developing
and guiding companies at the

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forefront of publishing books
and distributing books and

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products to support the natural
market as well as the

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metaphysical market in North
America.

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Santosh, welcome to today's
show.

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Well, thank you.
I appreciate you inviting me.

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All right, let's jump right in.
So I mentioned a few things.

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I mentioned existential crisis
of humanity.

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Can you briefly describe, and I
think a lot of people are

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feeling it already, that
describe the existential crisis

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of humanity that you introduced
in an earlier interview we did

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through selfgrowth.com?
Sure.

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Basically, I mean, what people
are feeling today is this whole

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COVID pandemic thing combined
with all the Hurricanes and

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earthquakes and volcanoes and
all of that stuff that's

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actually symptoms, but not the
actual cause of what's taking

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place here.
Humanity has, through its own

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actions, changed the climate
model of the world, and that's

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having impacts that go far
beyond any of these day-to-day

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events that we feel so
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We react to the day-to-day
events, but we fail to respond

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to the longer term, slower, less
visible changes that take place.

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And it's like that story of, you
know, how to boil a frog.

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You know, you put a frog in cold
water and slowly increase the

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temperature, and it won't react
to that.

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Well, that's what we're doing to
ourselves.

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We're boiling ourselves like
that proverbial frog, and we're

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not paying attention to it.
We're not turning down the heat.

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We're looking at breaking down
the Gulf Stream in the ocean,

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and if we do, that climate will
go totally haywire all over the

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world because there are these
ocean currents that regulate the

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climate and everything else on
this planet.

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In addition to that, we're
polluting the world, we're

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poisoning the world.
We have what scientists are

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calling the 6th planetary
species die off.

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The fifth one for everyone's,
you know, information was when

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the meteor hit the planet and
killed off all the dinosaurs and

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a lot of other beings.
But we're going through a larger

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extinction process today at a
magnitude that is global.

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People have heard how we're
decimating the pollinators, the

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bees, and it's going to impact
the ability to even produce

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food.
So we've got all these different

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factors that combined with
climate, combined with the

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pollution, combined with
overfishing and destroying the

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the ocean habitat.
I mean, we're basically

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destroying the coral reefs,
which are the incubators for the

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food chain of the entire ocean.
Well, what will happen on this

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planet where so many people rely
on fish for their food, when we

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destroy the fisheries, you're
going to have billions of people

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who don't have a good food
source because they've relied on

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that.
Well, they're not going to sit

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there and take it.
You're looking at wars, you're

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looking at mass migrations,
you're looking at disease

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vectors happening.
And so this is what I talk about

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as an existential crisis.
It goes far beyond this, but

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that's a a brief intro to it.
What's amazing, I love the frog

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analogy because we're in a
situation where we're aware of

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it, Many people are aware of it.
We're aware we're in the pot,

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we're aware we're the frog and
and there's really two options

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for the frog to survive and
we'll get into it.

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One is turn the heat down.
The others at least jump out of

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the pot.
So it's, it's interesting and I

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want to get into kind of what
humanity can do and what you're

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and different groups are
actually working on on this and

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understand it's not like
everybody's completely ignoring

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it.
So that's a good thing.

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So what I want to jump into is
what's the difference between

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this?
We talked a little bit about a

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current state of consciousness
of humanity.

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So where we are right now and
then that kind of the next phase

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of evolutionary cycle.
So we want to figure out all

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right, there's these issues and
clearly major issues.

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It's it's, it's obvious to
anybody watching the news for

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more than 10 minutes.
Then right now there's world

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level issues that are going on
this existential crisis.

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So let's take a look at kind of
the start current state of

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consciousness of humanity and
why is that important?

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And then what's the next phase
of our evolutionary cycle?

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Let's jump in there.
Well, sure.

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Humanity has basically built its
civilization and its action on

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the planet based on what we
might call the consciousness of

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the mind and the mental
consciousness tends to be blink

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blinkered that it it is limited
within its viewpoint.

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It sees One Direction.
It sees things as black and

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white, either or and it doesn't
take into account the global

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impacts, the holistic impacts of
what we do.

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And so we say we're going to
cure this disease by doing a

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certain thing.
We don't understand that we've

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upset the biochemistry of the
whole body and we're creating a

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worse crisis down line.
This is the nature of the mind

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and this is what we've built our
entire life and civilization on.

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And so it it then goes to how do
we understand the world, how do

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we understand our relationship
to the world, and what level and

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type of consciousness needs to
come in to give us a different

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viewpoint.
A really good example is one

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that up until just a few 100
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felt like the Earth is at the
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And the sun rose in the east and
set in the West, and it

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obviously circled around us.
And so we were the center of

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everything.
And then scientists eventually

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discovered, and we've mostly now
accepted, maybe there's a few

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flat earthers who don't, but
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the idea that the Earth rotates
around the sun and it's on its

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own rotation.
So that that's what creates the

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illusion of being at the center
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The mind thinks it's at the
center of the universe.

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And we make all of our decisions
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we control.
And what we say goes, well, it

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doesn't work like that.
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consciousness needs to shift out
of the limited framework of the

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mind and move towards a new
vision that can see the

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interaction, the
interconnectedness and the

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oneness within which we live.
That these other forces of the

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universe, the galaxies, the
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actually control and develop
what's going on.

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And if we can shift our
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comprehensive and whole, we will
make better decisions.

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And just like the mind has
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point that we've created the
unintended consequence of this

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existential crisis, a holistic
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can help us heal that and move
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limitations.
There's a few things I want to

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mention relative to things you
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So one of the things that comes
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been historically very
individual centric.

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We're focused on are the world
we see and not only two things

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that you mentioned that really
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One is we're focused on what we
see right immediately around us,

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not the bigger impact.
And also in terms of timing,

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we're looking at stuff that's
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So as a general rule and, and
what's in what I find

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interesting is that has served
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technology and we're feeding a
larger percentage of people and

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it's helped in many ways, but
it, it's gotten to the point,

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the way I see it, it's gotten to
the point where it's starting to

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cause a lot of damage that this
kind of focus.

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I, I love this concept of almost
a, a new consciousness that we

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need to develop that will enable
us to see outside our, our kind

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of small circle that we're in.
But one of the questions that I

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have for you, so as we're
developing this new

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consciousness, this new
development of consciousness and

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new awareness of seeing the
world more as a completely

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interconnected, it's almost an
interconnected Organism, that's

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it's not just us, we're
connected to the whole planet.

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How does this new development
consciousness help solve this

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crisis that we're talking about?
So how do we go about doing?

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What are the kind of some
practical steps associated with

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this?
Well, I think the the first

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thing is when we begin to
realize that what we

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individually want, what we as a
society want from our normal

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limited mental viewpoint can be
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And, and I'll give you an
example, OK, We think that we

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can cut down all the trees on
the planet for our own purpose,

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to expand agriculture, to use
wood, whatever it is we want to

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do, to create toilet paper,
whatever we want to do with it,

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we want to cut down trees.
Well, the reality is that

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without trees, we don't exist.
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trees create the oxygen and
breathe out the oxygen that we

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need to live, and similarly we
breathe out the carbon dioxide

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that they need to live.
So we're either symbiotic, 2

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separate organisms that are
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integrally, or we're one being
in two different organs, you

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could say.
And either way, if we shift to

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that viewpoint, we take a whole
different view of how we react

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and deal with nature, how we
react and deal with each other,

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how we react and deal with the
resources of the planet.

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We suddenly take the view that
we can't keep spewing poison

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into the atmosphere and into the
ground and kill off food chain

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species of of an enormous
magnitude and still exist.

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And so that change of
consciousness changes the very

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essence of who we think we are
and how we relate to the world

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around us.
And and that's the basis upon

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which we then can begin to
develop balanced, harmonious and

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forward-looking ways of living
on the planet sustainably.

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I want to delve a little bit
deeper into some ways to can

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practically apply this, this
kind of new consciousness.

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So and, and we'll get into a few
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I want to get into a few things
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One is there, there are clearly
people that I know that I'm

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aware of and, and I'm part of
this group broadly that

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understands this global
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So there's a this, there are
people, not everybody and

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clearly not everybody.
So relative to this kind of

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consciousness and awareness, I
think we're getting where more

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and more people are gaining this
level of consciousness.

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So what I want to spend some
time talking to you about is a

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few things.
One, what are some of the

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practical examples of how this
new consciousness as it's

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growing can help solve this
crisis we're talking about,

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which really an existential
crisis because we're, we're

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destroying our habitat.
We're, we're just, we're

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destroying ourselves slowly.
Well, and then we need to really

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do something about it.
So let's take a look at some

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practical applications.
Sure.

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And, and you know, you're
absolutely right, there are

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many, many thousands of people,
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thousands of people who are in
their own way, understanding and

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acting and working on ways to
solve these issues.

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Both in low tech ways and in
high tech ways around the world.

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I absolutely am very encouraged
by that.

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Although in in relation to 8
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that, it's, you know, it's hard
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the speed that's needed.
One of the issues that comes up

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is that particularly here in the
West, we're very enamored of

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high tech.
And so we think that we can

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solve everything with high tech.
And we've done things like drop

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water and power generating
projects into Africa at the cost

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of many billions of dollars only
to find out that a few years

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later they're basically defunct
and falling apart because the

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people there, we're not in a
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infrastructure in those areas
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high tech approach.
And so while it's great that

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people are working on high tech
solutions that may help at least

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the West do a better job of
being more sustainable, the bulk

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of people on the planet and the
resources that we rely on come

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from the developing world.
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working on solutions that
actually can work in the

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developing world that are
sustainable, that are

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reproducible and that are
scalable so that people in

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Africa and Asia and South
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places where they don't have
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begin to meet their own
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lifestyle.
I mean, let let's look at it

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this way.
We live a lifestyle that is

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unsustainable here in America or
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We act as if there's three or
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one.
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had the same aspiration and said
we're all equal, why can't we

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all have that level of
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Well, you now wind up with
either you're going to have a

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permanent aristocratic
controlling class dominating and

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destroying the people who don't
have that in order to maintain

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that aggressive lifestyle that
we have, or you need to find new

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ways to allow people who don't
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healthcare, et cetera, at the
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We need to find ways for them to
have their basic needs met, or

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we're gonna have global chaos.
We're already starting to have

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global chaos.
The mass migrations, the wars,

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everything comes from these
disputes coming up where people

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want to have the lifestyle, but
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the resources, nor are those
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the planet.
So we need to make some

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adjustments here, but the rest
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ability to increase its access
to these resources in a

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sustainable way.
And the type of projects that I

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look at are the ones that are
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developing world using resources
widely available there that are

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sustainable and scalable and
reproducible, and thereby can

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begin to address the the larger
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And at the same time, perhaps
provide some examples for the

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West to shift away from its high
tech is the only solution

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mindset and begin to adopt some
of these methods for themselves

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to accomplish things that are
done high tech but are

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counterproductive.
An example of that is when it

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gets hot and it's getting hot
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We all rely on air conditioning.
But there are projects, for

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instance, in the the community
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which is a pretty hot place,
they don't rely on air

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conditioning.
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design and materials in their
building that help keep a

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temperate climate within the
buildings without the use of the

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air conditioning.
If we adopted that here in the

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West, enormous amounts of energy
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People would still be
comfortable, and we wouldn't be

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putting the chlorofluorocarbons
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So, I mean, there's a lot of
win, win options here if some of

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these projects succeed.
Let's spend some time talking

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about Oroville.
So you mentioned Oroville and I

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want to tie it back to what you
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So there's clearly people are
identifying some practical

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applications of things that we
can do even globally in terms of

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making an impact.
And we clearly need to start

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implementing these.
One of the things that really

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struck me that you're talking
about is the fact that, you

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know, imagine of the seven, 8
billion people on the planet all

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try to live at the same
lifestyle and carbon footprint

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that Americans live.
You know, it, it would, it would

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bring about a, a global
devastation very, very quickly.

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We, we can't sustain the, the
lifestyle that we're living in

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America can't be sustained for 8
billion people on this planet

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right now.
It's just, it's, it's not

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possible.
So Oroville, I am going to ask

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you to spend some time talking a
little bit more about it is

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what's considered an intentional
community and it's designed to

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really help kind of bring about
and identify different projects

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and things that are are working
and then have applications.

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So can you that can help kind of
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Can you tell us a little bit
more about Oroville kind of take

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some background in it and what
the kind of global purpose and

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and some of the projects?
And, and one of the things I

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want to point out, I want folks
to really pay attention to this

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because the town of Oroville,
this community is doing some

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substantial things that can be
taken, that the concepts and

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ideas that they're doing can be
spread globally and have a big

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impact.
And they're, they're almost

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testing, the way I see it, you
can correct me if you feel

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differently.
They're kind of testing out

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different methodologies and
systems that could be used on a

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more widespread basis to have a,
a global impact.

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So with that said, can you take
us through Oroville, the

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community?
What's it about and what and

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what are they trying to do?
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Well, first, let me preface by
saying they're not the only

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people or community around the
world working on different forms

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of solution.
But the uniqueness that I found

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in looking at the Oroville
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ambitious.
I mean, they want to have a city

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of 50,000 eventually.
They've got about 3200 or 3300

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residents there right now so
that they can show the viability

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of a sustainable urban
environment, which is how the

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world lives to a great degree.
And that's where the crux of the

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problem is.
Urbanization has accentuated a

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lot of the problems we're
talking about, and so they need

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to find a sustainable urban
solution.

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Oroville was founded in 1968 and
basically the idea was to create

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a place that would belong to
humanity as a whole, would not

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be owned by anyone, group or
country.

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Although it's located in India
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India, but it's got its own
little carved out position

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there.
You could say they've got people

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from over 70 countries living
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languages, different cultures,
different backgrounds, different

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education, different
expectations and different

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aspirations.
And so it's it's sort of a mini

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experiment for human unity.
And of course, you know, you

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wind up with all the normal
human egoistic reactions and

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then you wind up with how they
go about trying to work past

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that.
And through that, because we

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need to learn how to live
together despite and sort of

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even in favor of our
differences.

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So we don't make everybody
uniform, but we learn how to

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live peacefully together and
find solutions together.

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And then what also has happened
is they're bringing together

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people who have each their own
unique skill set, interests and

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ideas about creating projects to
try to solve some of the major

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issues that we as humanity face
on a sustainable level.

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And they've got something like
somewhere over 55 projects going

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right now.
It's amazing the diversity of

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focus that these different
subgroups of residents there

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have taken up everything from
reclamation of badly eroded land

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to reforestation, to creating
sustainable buildings and

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architecture, which I mentioned
earlier.

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The idea of tackling food, clean
water, creating protein sources

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that are sustainable and not
reliant on the world's

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fisheries, I mean it, it's, it's
amazing all the things they're

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doing and all of the various
directions that they're taking.

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And, and that's what I found
interesting.

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I don't know of any other place
where this type of intensive,

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multi dimensional, multi
directional focus is taking

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place.
And all of it starting from what

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is sustainable within the
environment and not relying on

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some kind of magical high tech
solution.

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So they may use wind energy, but
they're creating wind turbines

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and generation, for instance,
that can be done anywhere in the

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world.
They're they're reproducible.

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There's a few things I want to
mention that came to mind as you

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were talking.
One is it sounds incorrect if

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I'm wrong that the people of
Oroville are looking to develop

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kind of SIM in some cases, what
I describe as more practical

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solutions that everybody can
implement.

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So I, I think about what other
folks and I've listened to, for

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example, Bill Gates talk about
how there's some high tech

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solutions and, and kind of his
vision and he's on board with

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the concept that we absolutely
need to, to do something that

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we're using up resources.
He's on board with it, but he's

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coming from a high tech
approach.

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And what's interesting about
Oroville is people are coming

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from a practical community,
almost a lifestyle approach of,

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of what kind of lifestyle is
sustainable first on a small

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scale and then on much larger
scale for for humanity.

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So they're almost testing out
what can be used.

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And I like the concept that you
said they're they're looking to

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test it out in an urban level as
they're growing the size of

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Oroville.
And the reason being most people

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right now, we've moved into
cities, we're very, very much

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urban life focused.
So I want you to delve a little

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bit more deeply.
You started talking about it is

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that, yeah, how the projects of
Oroville differ.

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So we're kind of contrasting
them to these high tech and in

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many cases high cost approaches.
What what's kind of the main

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difference?
How do you differentiate what

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they're doing with these people
that are looking to solve it

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literally with technology?
Well, that that's a a really

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good question actually.
What, what I look at there is

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that when you look at high tech,
OK, you're looking at needing

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rare earth resources, OK, these
minerals that are very, very

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scarce basically, and are being
controlled by, in some cases,

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specific countries for their own
political and economic

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domination games.
So there's a, a limit to that.

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But then they create poisons
that that pollute the planet.

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I mean, you can't dispose of
batteries or cell phones or

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things in a normal waste dump
because they tell you they're

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toxic.
They're going to, they're going

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to pollute things.
They need special handling.

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And we're building up this trash
and nobody thinks about it.

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OK, what are we going to do when
we're buried under mountains of

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toxic trash?
We're already getting there.

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How many people have a dozen
pieces of technology in their

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own homes that they don't know
how to get rid of and can't get

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rid of?
And if they get rid of it, what

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happens to it?
It used to be that some of that

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got recycled, but that got
overwhelmed and they've had

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barges with filled with toxic
technology running around the

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oceans with nowhere to land.
It can't go on.

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That approach has reached its
limits.

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That's the mental approach of we
can solve it with what we've

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done in the past with high tech
and industrialization on the

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other side.
I'll give you the example that

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that I think is is most salient
in Oroville.

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And that's their reforestation
program.

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When they got to the place where
the community started in 1968,

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it was bare, eroded, badly
destroyed landscape.

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I mean, it looked like a
moonscape, OK.

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And actually I was there in the
1970s and 1973 and I almost got

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heat stroke.
Actually, I did get heat stroke

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walking around out there.
There were no trees.

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There was a beating sun.
It was in the mid 90s.

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And I mean, it was terrible,
terrible environment.

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So they started doing things
like controlling the monsoon

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rain run offs and changing the
way water flowed.

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And then they said, OK, let's
look at reforestation.

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Now in the West, reforestation
means that you go in there and

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you dump, you know, you get
maybe in an airplane and dump a

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million seedlings of trees into
an area and you're lucky if you

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get 15 or 20% of them to take.
And that's considered the

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successful reforestation.
They followed a different

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approach.
First of all, they looked at

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what the natural flora and fauna
of that area of South India that

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climate was.
They went to parks and other

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areas where those species were
growing and saw how they grew

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and how they interrelated.
And they planted trees and

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bushes and plants that would
actually fit that environment.

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And then they started bringing
in sort of companion plants that

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00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,000
also came from that environment.
So they would create a complete

455
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,680
eco structure, if you will, in
that local area.

456
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:40,880
Over time, that all took root
and became a full forest, if you

457
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,400
will.
I mean, if you look at Oroville

458
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,800
today from above, it's green.
I mean, you don't see the

459
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,960
denuded landscape that you saw
50 years ago.

460
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,960
It's incredible.
And they saw that the native

461
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,040
insects, the native animal
species all migrated there.

462
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,200
Well, how did they do that?
They not only used intelligence

463
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:13,080
to bring in the right mix of
appropriate plants and trees,

464
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,280
they also cared for them.
They planted them individually.

465
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,480
They learned how to because
water was scarce, how to use a

466
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,240
drop irrigation that they
provided directly to the roots

467
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,360
of these seedlings and nurtured
them for years.

468
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,760
Now wood is a very valuable
resource and they're living

469
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:41,280
amidst local communities,
villages.

470
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,920
And so they had to bring in the
local villagers and explain to

471
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,520
them why it was they wanted to
do this and make sure that they

472
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,600
appreciated, cooperated and
supported it and got benefit

473
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,160
from it.
And so they actually created a,

474
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,040
a symbiotic relationship with
the local villages that are

475
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,880
interspersed throughout
Oroville.

476
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,600
And everyone was supporting the
reforestation program.

477
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,760
And there weren't people coming
in and saying, Oh my God, I want

478
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,080
to survive.
And they cut down the, the

479
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:20,000
saplings, you know, so, so a lot
of that took place.

480
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,960
What they then did, one of the
projects actually went out and

481
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,840
reproduced itself in the country
of Kenya.

482
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,880
There's a project there and they
brought in local people from

483
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:41,280
that area and educated them on
their insight, understanding and

484
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,960
methodology.
They went back and did similar

485
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,360
research and have a successful
reforestation there.

486
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,040
They then went to Haiti and
Haiti is a great example because

487
00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:00,960
there were both high tech
solutions of reforestation after

488
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,880
the big hurricanes destroyed
everything.

489
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:10,960
And there was this small project
and while the 15 or 20% was

490
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,760
considered successful in the
high tech approach, they had

491
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:21,520
something like 80% survival rate
of their trees with that

492
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,480
approach.
It was unprecedented as to the

493
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,199
type of results they get using
this method versus the normal

494
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:35,159
Western approach to this.
They've also been reproducing it

495
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:41,320
in certain parts of India.
So they're now sort of exporting

496
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:48,719
the insight, the understanding
of this new sort of oneness

497
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,239
consciousness we were talking
about in the way they develop

498
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,040
the reforestation programs.
Now this is 1 little example

499
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:03,080
because you know, the world is
destroying forests faster than

500
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,720
it's replanting them and it's
destroying the oceans where we

501
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:11,280
get more oxygen than we get from
trees.

502
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,320
We all think it's the trees and
the plants on the ground that

503
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,000
create the most oxygen, but over
50% comes out of the oceans and

504
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,640
we're destroying the ocean food
chain.

505
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:28,400
So what they're now working on
in other projects is OK, how do

506
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:35,600
we develop like an algae based,
reproducible, sustainable food

507
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:41,960
source?
How do we create options so that

508
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,200
people don't have to destroy the
oceans in order to survive?

509
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,440
And hopefully you know some of
these solutions begin to get

510
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,240
some traction real soon.
I love a lot of the concepts and

511
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,240
one of the things I want to
explore with you just a little

512
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,960
bit.
We've been focusing and talking

513
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,440
about Oroville.
So for folks who want to check

514
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:12,040
it out, it's a URO Ville Ville
Oroville and Santosh.

515
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,280
Can you step us through a little
bit of information?

516
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,880
How can people find out more
about Oroville?

517
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,920
What's the best place to go?
And one of the things I want to

518
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,120
point out in terms of what
you're saying is this, this

519
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,200
community is doing a lot of
things to really set up

520
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,760
potential avenues, not only for
them, but for the whole world to

521
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,400
implement new systems out that
will help the whole community,

522
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,240
not only their local community,
but a broader their country, the

523
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,800
world that and really provide,
and I love the concept something

524
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,840
sustainable and reproducible.
The, the real goal is to create

525
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,720
something that's sustainable and
reproducible to help humanity.

526
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,120
Oroville seems like that's their
clear mission.

527
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,720
So tell us a little bit, where
can they find out more

528
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:59,000
information about Oroville?
And for folks who like this

529
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,600
mission, how can they support
this mission and what could they

530
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,040
do locally?
So let's let's spend a couple

531
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,120
minutes talking about that.
Sure.

532
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,280
Well, first of all, I would say
they can find out more

533
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:19,040
immediately from a a website
calledaviusa.com or sorry.org.

534
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:27,560
And there's a back slash
flourish, FLOURISH that outlines

535
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,520
some of these 55 or more
projects that we're talking

536
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,400
about.
There's videos there, there's

537
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,280
interviews there.
I mean, there's a lot of

538
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,440
information so people can see
what's going on and they can

539
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,720
find out more generally about
Oroville by going to a VIU

540
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:50,760
sa.org/orovilleso.
I mean, that's, that certainly

541
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,640
is one place where they can go
get more informed about what's

542
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,120
going on and what the projects
are and how they're developing

543
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,160
and where they're trying to go
and, and even ways they can

544
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,640
support it.
I mean, people think that

545
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,320
they're helpless or distant
somehow.

546
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,680
But, and, and in some cases they
say, well, I don't have a lot of

547
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,280
money.
I can't just donate a lot of

548
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,360
money.
Well, if you've got money and

549
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,120
you can put it in, that's great.
It can be always used.

550
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,160
But the reality is that there's
a lot of things that can be

551
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,280
done.
They want to have, for instance,

552
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,520
an Oroville TV station that is
able to put this information out

553
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,600
for the whole world using social
media, whatever, to get the word

554
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,200
out.
Well, if you've got skill sets

555
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:50,760
in that area, contribute them.
If you've got your own ideas and

556
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,600
projects about how to build
sustainable, scalable and

557
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,400
reproducible things, and you
can't do it with Oroville, well,

558
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:04,080
do it wherever you are.
I mean, all of us have both an

559
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,840
opportunity and a responsibility
as citizens of the planet to do

560
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,880
what we can wherever we are.
And you know, I mean, if you can

561
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,120
live more sustainably where you
are, even here in the West,

562
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,080
well, try to do it.
We just moved into a new house

563
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,720
and we're looking at, well, how
do we go solar 'cause they, it

564
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:33,120
wasn't a solar house.
Well, every little bit helps in

565
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,000
that regard.
And solar energy, wind energy,

566
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:44,040
ocean wave therapy, you know,
whatever you can do, these are

567
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,880
areas where energy can be
generated and and then

568
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,760
contribute ideas even to the
high tech solutions.

569
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,960
If that's where you are.
You know, there are places that

570
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:04,880
are putting sort of generating
ribbons into roads so that

571
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,760
electric cars can recharge
themselves while they're

572
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,840
driving.
I mean.

573
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,600
We need to get away from the
internal combustion model,

574
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,320
obviously, and all the
hydrocarbons that we develop and

575
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,320
the gas stations and all that
stuff.

576
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,000
It's going to change our lives,
but we need to also do it

577
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000
intelligently.
If we just use electricity and

578
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,440
use coal and natural gas to
generate it, we're still

579
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,480
hydrocarbon reliant.
So, you know, finding ways to

580
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,560
generate energy from friction
across the road or through solar

581
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:50,520
collectors or through wind
energy, whatever it might be, if

582
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,440
that's where you are in your
life and you can't go to

583
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,280
Oroville and and do it at that
level, do it some other way.

584
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,320
I like the concept.
I'm going to give out the

585
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:07,000
website one more time.
It's Avi for I guess, Oroville

586
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,600
International.
AVIU sa.org.

587
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,600
So make sure you jot that down.
Check out what they're doing.

588
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,200
It's a very powerful group.
They're making an impact.

589
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,800
And AVIU sa.org/flourish to get
some of the details in the

590
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,920
program.
And one of the things I just

591
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,880
want to spend a couple minutes
at before we wrap up is you

592
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,800
mentioned earlier and I
mentioned in my intro that

593
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,720
you've been following the work
of Sri Arbindo, who was inspired

594
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,280
also the the founding of this
project.

595
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,360
How could folks find out more
information about Sri Aurobindo

596
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,440
and, and what's the what's the
overall tie in?

597
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Sure.
Well, Sri Aurobindo basically

598
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,080
understood that the world is
going through an evolutionary

599
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:58,120
development of consciousness.
And Darwin, you know, only saw

600
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,480
the physical development, but
didn't understand basically the

601
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,400
the connecting thread that it
was this evolution of

602
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,320
consciousness that led to the
evolution of species.

603
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,920
And after the physical material
consciousness, the next level

604
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,760
was the vital consciousness that
came through in the plants and

605
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,720
then animals enhanced upon that
and began to manifest the mental

606
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:27,080
consciousness.
Humanity has those earlier

607
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,720
levels plus the mental
capacities, and Trioro Bindo

608
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:37,360
said evolution is not finished.
And so the next level he called

609
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,280
supra mental, which means beyond
the mind.

610
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,720
And he worked on finding ways
through what he calls the

611
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:53,120
integral yoga to begin to
develop the receptivity in

612
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,800
humanity to this next level of
evolutionary development of

613
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,240
consciousness that led to the
development of Oroville and the

614
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,520
kinds of things we've spoken
about here.

615
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:11,720
And basically, I guess the
easiest place to go and, and get

616
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:15,680
connected to information would
be to go to orobindo.net, a

617
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,080
UROBIND o.net.
And there are links there.

618
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:26,440
I do a daily blog that I post
out there and, and there's a

619
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:32,320
link to that blog and I do a
daily podcast and in fact I try

620
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,480
to post daily to selfgrowth.com
so that people visiting

621
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,400
selfgrowth.com can can find a
lot of this material as well

622
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,440
all.
Right, sounds good.

623
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,120
Well, I want to thank you very
much for sharing all this

624
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,400
information today.
We really need to pull together

625
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,000
and there are people that are
making a big impact.

626
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,800
Check out Oroville and exactly
all the things they're doing.

627
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,680
Santosh, thank you for your
time.

628
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,000
Any final words before you
finish up?

629
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,680
Well, I think we've really
covered a lot of ground here,

630
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,520
David, and I very much
appreciate your efforts and and

631
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,000
the support and efforts of all
those people who are connected

632
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,600
with us through what you're
doing.

633
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,280
And I want to thank everybody
for, you know, spending some

634
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,000
time with us today.
All right.

635
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,160
Thanks again, Santosh.
Thanks for joining us.

636
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,800
I want to thank everybody for
listening.

637
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,640
And I think we need to really
pull together to to make

638
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,240
changes, to make real change in
the world.

639
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,160
Thanks again.
We'll see everybody soon.

640
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,720
OK, thank you.
Bye.

641
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,720
Bye now.
Bye bye.