May 28, 2025
Overcoming the Obstruction of Universal Adverse Forces
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, Looking from Within , Chapter 4, Ordeals and Difficulties, pp.90-91
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Most people are skeptical about
the concept of conscious
2
00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,200
universal forces.
Even if they profess a belief in
3
00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:15,320
God, angels, demons, and other
unseen powerful beings, they
4
00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,280
tend to reject the idea when it
comes down to actual influence
5
00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,080
in their own actions, reactions
and responses.
6
00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,320
There is an inherent belief in
the freedom and independence of
7
00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,800
their decision process.
People do not like to admit that
8
00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,080
forces outside themselves,
particularly conscious forces,
9
00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,840
are controlling in any way how
they think, feel and respond.
10
00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,160
People acknowledge the reality
of universal forces on the
11
00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,520
material plane.
They experience the effects of
12
00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:54,000
gravity, electricity and other
forces operated in the material
13
00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,720
world.
They also tacitly acknowledge
14
00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,880
some larger universal forces at
the vital level when they look
15
00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,200
at instinctive behaviour in
animals.
16
00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,200
Anyone observing the coordinated
movements of a flock of birds or
17
00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,600
a school of fish can see that
these actions are not the result
18
00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:18,480
of a large number of individual
decisions by each bird or each
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00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,440
fish.
Rather, they are all responding
20
00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,280
together to some force that
transcends their individual
21
00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,440
decision making power.
We have thus a basis for
22
00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,000
acknowledging that universal
forces are at work in life, and
23
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,120
we can, if we explore our own
human lives, find similar
24
00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,440
instinctive or coordinated
behavioral responses that
25
00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,040
certainly impact our own
individual reactions, thoughts,
26
00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,640
and development.
What we have not yet arrived at
27
00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,600
in this analysis is the sense
that these forces are conscious
28
00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,040
and are acting from their own
unique needs, desires,
29
00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,760
viewpoints and ideas and
utilizing their powers to
30
00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,480
influence what we do.
When we see vast numbers of
31
00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,280
people suddenly responding to a
situation in a similar way, we
32
00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,360
can accept that some universal
forces are at play.
33
00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,760
The mind, with its limited
access to information and its
34
00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,280
limited range of perception and
understanding is not the proper
35
00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,360
instrument to appreciate the
existence of forces and
36
00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,160
conscious beings that operate
outside the minds range of
37
00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,520
perception.
The lack of specific
38
00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,240
acknowledgement by the mind does
not prove these forces do not
39
00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,520
exist.
Rather, they simply amplify our
40
00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,360
sense of limitation in our
current understanding.
41
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Using techniques developed by
sages, seers and Mystics
42
00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:03,400
throughout the ages and in many
different cultures and
43
00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,120
societies, new powers of
understanding have been
44
00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,960
deployed.
People have experienced and
45
00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,200
report the existence of
conscious entities and interact
46
00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,000
with humanity on the subliminal
or supreliminal levels.
47
00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,880
In the Titania Upanishad 1
chapter actually sets forth the
48
00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,120
hierarchy of conscious beings
who exist beyond the normal
49
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:34,000
human level of experience.
Scientists, as they continue to
50
00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,760
probe the basis of existence,
have concluded that matter is a
51
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concentrated form of energy and
that energy is a concentrated
52
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form of consciousness, and that
the entire existence is 1.
53
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Consciousness is universal.
As we get used to this way of
54
00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,360
seeing the universe, it becomes
obvious that all that exists is
55
00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,960
organized, developed, planned,
and executed by a conscious
56
00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,240
awareness far beyond the human
mental capability.
57
00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,720
It is also obvious that just as
there are beings below the human
58
00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:19,000
level perception, there are
beings above the human level of
59
00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,840
perception.
Biologists have recently
60
00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:27,920
determined that the intestinal
flora, essentially bacteria
61
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colonies that live in the human
digestive system and which help
62
00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,760
us effectively digest food, are
themselves able to send signals
63
00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,080
to the brain ostensibly to
request food.
64
00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,120
The question of whose hunger is
it when we experience cravings
65
00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,040
of hunger is now being answered.
It is not solely our own
66
00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,200
individual experience of the
need for sustenance, but in many
67
00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,880
cases it seems to be the
bacteria who are commandeering
68
00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,480
use of our nervous systems to
communicate with the brain and
69
00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:09,120
trigger a hunger response.
This brings us to the topic at
70
00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,800
hand, namely the existence of
forces that are conscious,
71
00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,400
universal, and have their own
agenda with respect to human
72
00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,200
beings.
They try to influence us, and in
73
00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,720
many cases they feed off of the
energies and emotions we throw
74
00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,560
off when confronted by
situations raised by these
75
00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,400
forces.
In terms of negative or hostile
76
00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,480
forces, these energies may be
embodiments of fear, lust,
77
00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:44,440
anger, hatred, strong emotions
that vibrate strongly and cost
78
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,880
us energy.
In terms of positive or helpful
79
00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,320
forces, they tend to help us
grow, to understand and to
80
00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,760
appreciate and support the
oneness of the creation, and
81
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help us to create harmony in our
lives and for the world within
82
00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:06,520
which we move and act,
Triorbindo notes quote.
83
00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,000
The prolongation of the
difficulty and its acuteness
84
00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,800
come from the fact that there
are forces in nature, not
85
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personal or individual, but
universal, which live upon these
86
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movements and through them they
have long controlled the
87
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individual nature.
These do not want to lose their
88
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rule, and so when these
movements are thrown out, they
89
00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,480
throw them back on the Saddak in
strong waves or with great
90
00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,440
violence, Or they create in the
vital a Great Depression,
91
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discouragement, despair.
That is their favorite weapon,
92
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because it is losing its former
field of desires and has not yet
93
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in any certainty something that
would replace it.
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The assured continuance, psychic
or spiritual condition or
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experience.
To prevent that is the whole
96
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effort of these forces.
So they create these upheavals,
97
00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,960
and the vital admits them
because of its own habit of
98
00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:13,360
response to the lower forces.
At the same time they put in
99
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,200
suggestions to the mind so as to
make it also accept the
100
00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,400
disturbance, discouragement, and
depression.
101
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That is what I meant by saying
that these are attacks from
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outside and must be rejected if
they cannot be rejected
103
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altogether.
Yet one must try to keep a part
104
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of the mind conscious which will
refuse to admit the suggestions
105
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or share in the depression and
the trouble which will save
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firmly.
I know what this is, and I know
107
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that it will pass and I can
resume my way to the goal, which
108
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nothing can prevent me from
reaching, since my soul's will
109
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is and will always be.
For that you have to reach the
110
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point where you can do that
always.
111
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Then the power of the forces to
disturb will begin to diminish
112
00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,680
and fall away.
End Quote Reference Sri
113
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Aurobindo and the Mother Looking
from Within, Chapter 4, Ordeals
114
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and Difficulties, pages 90 to
91.
00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,640
Most people are skeptical about
the concept of conscious
2
00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,200
universal forces.
Even if they profess a belief in
3
00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:15,320
God, angels, demons, and other
unseen powerful beings, they
4
00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,280
tend to reject the idea when it
comes down to actual influence
5
00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,080
in their own actions, reactions
and responses.
6
00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,320
There is an inherent belief in
the freedom and independence of
7
00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,800
their decision process.
People do not like to admit that
8
00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,080
forces outside themselves,
particularly conscious forces,
9
00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,840
are controlling in any way how
they think, feel and respond.
10
00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,160
People acknowledge the reality
of universal forces on the
11
00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,520
material plane.
They experience the effects of
12
00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:54,000
gravity, electricity and other
forces operated in the material
13
00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,720
world.
They also tacitly acknowledge
14
00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,880
some larger universal forces at
the vital level when they look
15
00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,200
at instinctive behaviour in
animals.
16
00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,200
Anyone observing the coordinated
movements of a flock of birds or
17
00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,600
a school of fish can see that
these actions are not the result
18
00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:18,480
of a large number of individual
decisions by each bird or each
19
00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,440
fish.
Rather, they are all responding
20
00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,280
together to some force that
transcends their individual
21
00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,440
decision making power.
We have thus a basis for
22
00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,000
acknowledging that universal
forces are at work in life, and
23
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,120
we can, if we explore our own
human lives, find similar
24
00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,440
instinctive or coordinated
behavioral responses that
25
00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,040
certainly impact our own
individual reactions, thoughts,
26
00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,640
and development.
What we have not yet arrived at
27
00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,600
in this analysis is the sense
that these forces are conscious
28
00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,040
and are acting from their own
unique needs, desires,
29
00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,760
viewpoints and ideas and
utilizing their powers to
30
00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,480
influence what we do.
When we see vast numbers of
31
00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,280
people suddenly responding to a
situation in a similar way, we
32
00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,360
can accept that some universal
forces are at play.
33
00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,760
The mind, with its limited
access to information and its
34
00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,280
limited range of perception and
understanding is not the proper
35
00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,360
instrument to appreciate the
existence of forces and
36
00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,160
conscious beings that operate
outside the minds range of
37
00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,520
perception.
The lack of specific
38
00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,240
acknowledgement by the mind does
not prove these forces do not
39
00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,520
exist.
Rather, they simply amplify our
40
00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,360
sense of limitation in our
current understanding.
41
00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,920
Using techniques developed by
sages, seers and Mystics
42
00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:03,400
throughout the ages and in many
different cultures and
43
00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,120
societies, new powers of
understanding have been
44
00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,960
deployed.
People have experienced and
45
00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,200
report the existence of
conscious entities and interact
46
00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,000
with humanity on the subliminal
or supreliminal levels.
47
00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,880
In the Titania Upanishad 1
chapter actually sets forth the
48
00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,120
hierarchy of conscious beings
who exist beyond the normal
49
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:34,000
human level of experience.
Scientists, as they continue to
50
00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,760
probe the basis of existence,
have concluded that matter is a
51
00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:44,120
concentrated form of energy and
that energy is a concentrated
52
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:49,080
form of consciousness, and that
the entire existence is 1.
53
00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,640
Consciousness is universal.
As we get used to this way of
54
00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,360
seeing the universe, it becomes
obvious that all that exists is
55
00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,960
organized, developed, planned,
and executed by a conscious
56
00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,240
awareness far beyond the human
mental capability.
57
00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,720
It is also obvious that just as
there are beings below the human
58
00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:19,000
level perception, there are
beings above the human level of
59
00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,840
perception.
Biologists have recently
60
00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:27,920
determined that the intestinal
flora, essentially bacteria
61
00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,120
colonies that live in the human
digestive system and which help
62
00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,760
us effectively digest food, are
themselves able to send signals
63
00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,080
to the brain ostensibly to
request food.
64
00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,120
The question of whose hunger is
it when we experience cravings
65
00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,040
of hunger is now being answered.
It is not solely our own
66
00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,200
individual experience of the
need for sustenance, but in many
67
00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,880
cases it seems to be the
bacteria who are commandeering
68
00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,480
use of our nervous systems to
communicate with the brain and
69
00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:09,120
trigger a hunger response.
This brings us to the topic at
70
00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,800
hand, namely the existence of
forces that are conscious,
71
00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,400
universal, and have their own
agenda with respect to human
72
00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,200
beings.
They try to influence us, and in
73
00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,720
many cases they feed off of the
energies and emotions we throw
74
00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,560
off when confronted by
situations raised by these
75
00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,400
forces.
In terms of negative or hostile
76
00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,480
forces, these energies may be
embodiments of fear, lust,
77
00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:44,440
anger, hatred, strong emotions
that vibrate strongly and cost
78
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,880
us energy.
In terms of positive or helpful
79
00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,320
forces, they tend to help us
grow, to understand and to
80
00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,760
appreciate and support the
oneness of the creation, and
81
00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,280
help us to create harmony in our
lives and for the world within
82
00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:06,520
which we move and act,
Triorbindo notes quote.
83
00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,000
The prolongation of the
difficulty and its acuteness
84
00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,800
come from the fact that there
are forces in nature, not
85
00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,640
personal or individual, but
universal, which live upon these
86
00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,960
movements and through them they
have long controlled the
87
00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,760
individual nature.
These do not want to lose their
88
00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,880
rule, and so when these
movements are thrown out, they
89
00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,480
throw them back on the Saddak in
strong waves or with great
90
00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,440
violence, Or they create in the
vital a Great Depression,
91
00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,960
discouragement, despair.
That is their favorite weapon,
92
00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,880
because it is losing its former
field of desires and has not yet
93
00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,000
in any certainty something that
would replace it.
94
00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,920
The assured continuance, psychic
or spiritual condition or
95
00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,120
experience.
To prevent that is the whole
96
00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,680
effort of these forces.
So they create these upheavals,
97
00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,960
and the vital admits them
because of its own habit of
98
00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:13,360
response to the lower forces.
At the same time they put in
99
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,200
suggestions to the mind so as to
make it also accept the
100
00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,400
disturbance, discouragement, and
depression.
101
00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,080
That is what I meant by saying
that these are attacks from
102
00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,520
outside and must be rejected if
they cannot be rejected
103
00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,760
altogether.
Yet one must try to keep a part
104
00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,960
of the mind conscious which will
refuse to admit the suggestions
105
00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,800
or share in the depression and
the trouble which will save
106
00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,440
firmly.
I know what this is, and I know
107
00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,400
that it will pass and I can
resume my way to the goal, which
108
00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,240
nothing can prevent me from
reaching, since my soul's will
109
00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,240
is and will always be.
For that you have to reach the
110
00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,400
point where you can do that
always.
111
00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,720
Then the power of the forces to
disturb will begin to diminish
112
00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,680
and fall away.
End Quote Reference Sri
113
00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,600
Aurobindo and the Mother Looking
from Within, Chapter 4, Ordeals
114
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