Aug. 15, 2025
Liberation From and Mastery of the External Nature of Man
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, Looking from Within, Chapter 5, Attitudes on the Path, pp. 150-151
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Many religious and spiritual
traditions focus on the idea of
2
00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,320
liberation, from bondage to the
illusion of the external world
3
00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,120
and its enticements and
attractions.
4
00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,520
In some cases this takes the
form of a vow of austerity and a
5
00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,440
focus on achieving redemption
and access to heaven after one
6
00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,080
dies.
In other cases it involves the
7
00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:29,160
one pointed focus on liberation
with the abandonment of the
8
00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,960
active life in the world, a
reduction of 1's needs down to a
9
00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,800
bare minimum, and in some cases
using a begging bowl to obtain
10
00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,640
food and accepting whatever, if
anything, comes to 1.
11
00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,680
Some practice austere
meditations or practices of
12
00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,480
concentration while residing in
the desert, in mountain caves,
13
00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,640
etcetera.
There is a tradition that
14
00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,160
indicates that a liberated soul
can be fully engaged in the
15
00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,880
external life, but without
attachment to the fruits of that
16
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,319
life.
The legend of King Janaka, for
17
00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,040
instance, incorporates such a
sense.
18
00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,120
The goal remains liberation, but
the active life is not set up in
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00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,160
opposition to it.
Rather, the seeker needs to act
20
00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,280
in the world without attachment,
act based on principles of
21
00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,680
righteousness, fairness and
balance, and carry out one's
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00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,960
Dharma in an upright and proper
manner.
23
00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,760
To a great degree, there has
been a divergent view between
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00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,800
those who seek liberation from
the world and those who want to
25
00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,640
bring about progress and
development in the world.
26
00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,240
In The Life Divine, Sri Robindo
sets forth the opposing views in
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00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,840
chapters 2 and 3.
The materialist Denial and the
28
00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,840
refusal of the ascetic.
He reconciles these two
29
00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,440
standpoints in Chapter 4.
Reality, omnipresent liberation,
30
00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,600
and progressive development of
the external nature are not
31
00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,960
opposites but complementary
aspects of one reality, and thus
32
00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,720
both have their underlying
validity.
33
00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,200
In the Bhagwad Gita, Sri Krishna
explains to Arjuna that the
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00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,720
liberated individual is not to
be identified by any particular
35
00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,000
outer activity or manner of
action, but according to his
36
00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,440
inner state of spiritual
realization.
37
00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,280
In chapter 13, verse 23,
however, the Gita goes even
38
00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,280
further as translated by Sri
Aurobindo.
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Quote Witness source of the
consent, upholder of the work of
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00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:47,360
nature, Her enjoyer, Almighty
Lord and Supreme Self is the
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Supreme Soul seated in this
body.
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End Quote.
The significant point here is
43
00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,800
that the Gita goes beyond the
description of the Mundaka
44
00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,960
Upanishad that treats the
Supreme Soul as the witness.
45
00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,480
While the soul of man is
actively participating in the
46
00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,080
actions of nature, the Supreme
Soul is seated in the body and
47
00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,280
is not simply a witness of
nature for the Gita, but also
48
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,120
source of the consent, upholder
of the work of nature, her
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00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,360
enjoyer, Almighty Lord and
Supreme Self.
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00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,320
This implies the possibility
that Triorobindu expands upon
51
00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,440
when he describes the difference
between assuming the role of the
52
00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,080
witness of nature and the
potential for transformation and
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mastery of nature, or in the
interim, refusing or withholding
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00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,640
of consent for certain responses
of nature.
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Srioro Bindo writes Quote.
You can certainly go on
56
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developing the consciousness of
the witness Purusha above, but
57
00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,920
if it is only a witness and the
lower Procriti is allowed to
58
00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,080
have its own way, there would be
no reason why those conditions
59
00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,640
should ever stop.
Many take that attitude that the
60
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,800
Perusha has to liberate itself
by standing apart and the
61
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,600
procrity can be allowed to go on
till the end of the life doing
62
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,680
its own business.
It is prarabdha karma.
63
00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,880
When the body falls away, the
procrity will drop also, and the
64
00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,560
Perusha go off into the
featureless Brahman.
65
00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,000
This is a comfortable theory,
but of more than doubtful truth.
66
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,680
I don't think liberation is so
simple and facile a matter as
67
00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,240
that.
In any case, the transformation
68
00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,400
which is the object of our Yoga
would not take place.
69
00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,880
The Pirusha above is not only a
witness.
70
00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,600
He is the giver or withholder of
the sanction.
71
00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,120
If he persistently refuses the
sanction to a movement of
72
00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,680
procriti, keeping himself
detached, then even if it goes
73
00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,000
on for a time by its own
momentum, it usually loses its
74
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:16,400
hold after a time, becomes more
feeble, less persistent, less
75
00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,400
concrete, and in the end fades
away.
76
00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,720
If you take the Purusha
consciousness, it should be not
77
00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:29,400
only as the witness, but as the
Anumanta, refusing sanction to
78
00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,320
the disturbing movements,
sanctioning only peace, calm,
79
00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,560
purity and whatever else is part
of the divine nature.
80
00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,000
This refusal of sanction need
not mean a struggle with the
81
00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,040
lower property.
It should be a quiet,
82
00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,880
persistent, detached refusal,
leaving unsupported, unassented
83
00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,360
to, without meaning or
justification, the contrary
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action of the nature.
End Quote Reference Srioro Bindu
85
00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,760
and the Mother Looking from
Within, Chapter 5.
86
00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,560
Attitudes on the Path, pages
1:50 to 1:51.
00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,720
Many religious and spiritual
traditions focus on the idea of
2
00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,320
liberation, from bondage to the
illusion of the external world
3
00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,120
and its enticements and
attractions.
4
00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,520
In some cases this takes the
form of a vow of austerity and a
5
00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,440
focus on achieving redemption
and access to heaven after one
6
00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,080
dies.
In other cases it involves the
7
00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:29,160
one pointed focus on liberation
with the abandonment of the
8
00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,960
active life in the world, a
reduction of 1's needs down to a
9
00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,800
bare minimum, and in some cases
using a begging bowl to obtain
10
00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,640
food and accepting whatever, if
anything, comes to 1.
11
00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,680
Some practice austere
meditations or practices of
12
00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,480
concentration while residing in
the desert, in mountain caves,
13
00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,640
etcetera.
There is a tradition that
14
00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,160
indicates that a liberated soul
can be fully engaged in the
15
00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,880
external life, but without
attachment to the fruits of that
16
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,319
life.
The legend of King Janaka, for
17
00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,040
instance, incorporates such a
sense.
18
00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,120
The goal remains liberation, but
the active life is not set up in
19
00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,160
opposition to it.
Rather, the seeker needs to act
20
00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,280
in the world without attachment,
act based on principles of
21
00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,680
righteousness, fairness and
balance, and carry out one's
22
00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,960
Dharma in an upright and proper
manner.
23
00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,760
To a great degree, there has
been a divergent view between
24
00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,800
those who seek liberation from
the world and those who want to
25
00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,640
bring about progress and
development in the world.
26
00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,240
In The Life Divine, Sri Robindo
sets forth the opposing views in
27
00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,840
chapters 2 and 3.
The materialist Denial and the
28
00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,840
refusal of the ascetic.
He reconciles these two
29
00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,440
standpoints in Chapter 4.
Reality, omnipresent liberation,
30
00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,600
and progressive development of
the external nature are not
31
00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,960
opposites but complementary
aspects of one reality, and thus
32
00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,720
both have their underlying
validity.
33
00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,200
In the Bhagwad Gita, Sri Krishna
explains to Arjuna that the
34
00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,720
liberated individual is not to
be identified by any particular
35
00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,000
outer activity or manner of
action, but according to his
36
00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,440
inner state of spiritual
realization.
37
00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,280
In chapter 13, verse 23,
however, the Gita goes even
38
00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,280
further as translated by Sri
Aurobindo.
39
00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:41,520
Quote Witness source of the
consent, upholder of the work of
40
00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:47,360
nature, Her enjoyer, Almighty
Lord and Supreme Self is the
41
00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,760
Supreme Soul seated in this
body.
42
00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,400
End Quote.
The significant point here is
43
00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,800
that the Gita goes beyond the
description of the Mundaka
44
00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,960
Upanishad that treats the
Supreme Soul as the witness.
45
00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,480
While the soul of man is
actively participating in the
46
00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,080
actions of nature, the Supreme
Soul is seated in the body and
47
00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,280
is not simply a witness of
nature for the Gita, but also
48
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,120
source of the consent, upholder
of the work of nature, her
49
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,360
enjoyer, Almighty Lord and
Supreme Self.
50
00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,320
This implies the possibility
that Triorobindu expands upon
51
00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,440
when he describes the difference
between assuming the role of the
52
00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,080
witness of nature and the
potential for transformation and
53
00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,640
mastery of nature, or in the
interim, refusing or withholding
54
00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,640
of consent for certain responses
of nature.
55
00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,200
Srioro Bindo writes Quote.
You can certainly go on
56
00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,640
developing the consciousness of
the witness Purusha above, but
57
00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,920
if it is only a witness and the
lower Procriti is allowed to
58
00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,080
have its own way, there would be
no reason why those conditions
59
00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,640
should ever stop.
Many take that attitude that the
60
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,800
Perusha has to liberate itself
by standing apart and the
61
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,600
procrity can be allowed to go on
till the end of the life doing
62
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,680
its own business.
It is prarabdha karma.
63
00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,880
When the body falls away, the
procrity will drop also, and the
64
00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,560
Perusha go off into the
featureless Brahman.
65
00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,000
This is a comfortable theory,
but of more than doubtful truth.
66
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,680
I don't think liberation is so
simple and facile a matter as
67
00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,240
that.
In any case, the transformation
68
00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,400
which is the object of our Yoga
would not take place.
69
00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,880
The Pirusha above is not only a
witness.
70
00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,600
He is the giver or withholder of
the sanction.
71
00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,120
If he persistently refuses the
sanction to a movement of
72
00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,680
procriti, keeping himself
detached, then even if it goes
73
00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,000
on for a time by its own
momentum, it usually loses its
74
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:16,400
hold after a time, becomes more
feeble, less persistent, less
75
00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,400
concrete, and in the end fades
away.
76
00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,720
If you take the Purusha
consciousness, it should be not
77
00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:29,400
only as the witness, but as the
Anumanta, refusing sanction to
78
00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,320
the disturbing movements,
sanctioning only peace, calm,
79
00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,560
purity and whatever else is part
of the divine nature.
80
00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,000
This refusal of sanction need
not mean a struggle with the
81
00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,040
lower property.
It should be a quiet,
82
00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,880
persistent, detached refusal,
leaving unsupported, unassented
83
00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,360
to, without meaning or
justification, the contrary
84
00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:02,200
action of the nature.
End Quote Reference Srioro Bindu
85
00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,760
and the Mother Looking from
Within, Chapter 5.
86
00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,560
Attitudes on the Path, pages
1:50 to 1:51.
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