July 27, 2024
Just Because We Cannot Observe It Directly, Does Not Mean Spiritual Force Does Not Exist
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, The Hidden Forces of Life, Ch.7 Spiritual Forces of Help and Succour, pp.160-162 This episode is also available as a blog post at https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2024/07/22/just-because-we-cannot-observe-it-directly-does-not-mean-spiritual-force-does-not-exist/
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A devotee reported several
incidents that appeared to be
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the result of spiritual force.
The first occurred in early 1973
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in Los Angeles.
He attended a talk by Udar Pinto
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of the Sri Aurobindo Ashram and
afterwards joined his party for
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dinner, at which there was
extensive discussion.
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Udar told the devotee.
You should come to the ashram.
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The devotee replied that he had
no money and had no idea how he
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would be able to pay for the
plane flight or stay in
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Pondicherry, India.
Udar said Mother will provide
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afterwards.
That night when the devotee went
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back to his parents house where
he was staying, he was
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confronted by them.
They insisted he see a
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psychiatrist as they felt he had
abandoned his career and
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prospects by chasing crazy
ideas.
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He declined.
They then said that their only
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other option was to give him a
ticket to India and funds for a
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year's stay so that he could see
for himself and work it out of
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his system.
He saw the way the Mother had
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chosen to provide as a spiritual
event intervening in his life.
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Another incident occurred for
the devotee the same year.
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The Mother used to give darshan
from the balcony on specific
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days each year.
The August 15th, 1973 darshan
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was not expected to occur due to
her fragile state of health.
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The devotee was, however,
awakened early in the morning
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around 3:00 AM with a jolt of
powerful energy just about
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lifting him out of the bed, and
he reported feeling like he was
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almost walking on air.
And he knew at that moment that
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the darshan would take place,
despite the fact that everyone
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had indicated it would not
occur.
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When he went to the ashram
building later that morning, he
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saw the sign that announced the
darshan would occur in the
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evening.
People everywhere have
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inexplicable stories relating to
their inner spiritual
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experiences, their relations
with their guru, miracle cures
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that occur after praying to the
guru, etcetera.
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In his extraordinary book,
Autobiography of a Yogi,
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Paramount's Yogananda recounts
innumerable incidents of
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spiritual forces at work, many
of his own direct experience,
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numerous with witnesses and
recounts of trusted individuals
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in his life who provided similar
evidence of things that were
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inexplicable to the logical
mind, but which advanced the
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spiritual direction, guidance,
and growth of the individuals
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involved.
One incident involved his being
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healed from a dire case of
Asiatic cholera.
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Quote.
My life was despaired of.
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The doctors could do nothing.
At my bedside, Mother
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frantically motioned me to look
at Lahiri Mahosia's picture on
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the wall above my head.
Bow to him.
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Mentally, she knew I was too
feeble even to lift my hands.
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And in salutation, if you really
show your devotion and inwardly
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kneel before him, your life will
be spared.
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I gazed at his photograph and
saw there a blinding light
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enveloping my body and the
entire room.
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My nausea and other
uncontrollable symptoms
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disappeared.
I was well at once.
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I felt strong enough to bend
over and touch Mother's feet in
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appreciation of her immeasurable
faith in her, girl grew.
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O omnipresent Master, I thank
Thee that thy light hath healed
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my son.
I realized that she too had
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witnessed the luminous blaze
through which I had instantly
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recovered from a usually fatal
disease.
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End Quote.
Sri Aurobindo himself told of
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his experiences during his time
as an under trial detainee and
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also during his trial in the
Alapur bomb conspiracy case.
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He was eventually acquitted in
his tales of prison life and in
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the remarkable Uttar Para speech
he provided ample evidence and
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examples in his own life.
Of spiritual power at work, Sri
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Rabindo writes quote.
It is evident that if spiritual
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force exists, it must be able to
produce spiritual results.
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Therefore, there is no
irrationality in the claim of
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those Sadaks who say that they
feel the force of the Guru or
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the force of the Divine working
in them and leading towards
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spiritual fulfillment and
experience.
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Whether it is so or not in a
particular case is a personal
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question, but the statement
cannot be denounced as per SE
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and credible and manifestly
false because such things cannot
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be.
Further, if it be true that
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spiritual force is the original
one and the others are
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derivative from it, and there is
no irrationality, and supposing
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that spiritual force can produce
mental results, vital results,
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physical results, it may act
through mental, vital or or
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physical energies and through
the means which these energies
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use.
Or it may act directly on mine,
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life or matter as the field of
its own special and immediate
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action.
Either way, as prima facie if
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possible.
In a case of cure of illness,
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someone is ill for two days,
weak, suffering from pains and
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fever.
He takes no medicine, but
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finally asked for cure from his
guru.
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The next morning he rises well,
strong and energetic.
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He has at least some
justification for thinking that
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a force has been used on him and
put into him, and that it was a
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spiritual power that acted.
But in another case medicines
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may be used, while at the same
time the invisible force may be
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called for to aid the material
means.
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For it is a known fact that
medicines may or may not
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succeed.
There is no certitude here for
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the reason of an outside
observer, one who is neither the
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user of the force nor the doctor
nor the patient.
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It remains uncertain whether the
patient was cured by the
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medicines only or by the
spiritual. 4th with the
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medicines as an instrument.
Either is possible, and it
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cannot be said that because
medicines were used, therefore,
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the working of a spiritual force
is per SE incredible and
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demonstrably false.
On the other hand, it is
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possible for the doctor to have
felt a force working in him and
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guiding him, or he may see the
patient improving with a
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rapidity which according to
medical science is incredible.
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The patient may feel the force
working in himself, bringing
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health, energy, rapid cure.
The user of the force may watch
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the results, see the symptoms he
works on, diminishing those he
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did not work upon, increasing
till he does work on them, and
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then immediately diminishing the
doctor, working according to his
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unspoken suggestions, etcetera,
etcetera, until the cure is
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done.
On the other hand, he may see
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forces working against the cure
and conclude that the spiritual
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force has to be contented with a
withdrawal or an imperfect
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success In all that the doctor,
the patient, or the user of
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force is justified in believing
that the cure is at least
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partially or even fundamentally
due to the spiritual force.
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Their experience is valid, of
course, for themselves only, not
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for the outside rationalizing
observer.
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But the latter is not logically
entitled to say that their
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experience is incredible and
must be false.
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Another point, it does not
follow that a spiritual force
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must either succeed in all cases
or if it does not, that proves
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its non existence.
Of no force.
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Can that be said?
The force of fire is to burn,
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but there are things it does not
burn under certain
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circumstances.
It does not burn even the feet
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of the man who walks barefoot on
red hot coals.
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That does not prove that fire
cannot burn or that there's no
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such thing as force of fire.
Agni Shakti, I have no time to
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write more.
It is not necessary either.
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My object was not to show that
spiritual force must be believed
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in, but the that the belief in
it is not necessarily a delusion
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and that this belief can be
rational as well as possible.
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End Quote Reference Srioro Bindu
and the Mother.
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The Hidden Forces of Life,
Chapter 7, Spiritual Forces of
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Help and Succor, pages 160 to
162.
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A devotee reported several
incidents that appeared to be
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the result of spiritual force.
The first occurred in early 1973
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in Los Angeles.
He attended a talk by Udar Pinto
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00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,360
of the Sri Aurobindo Ashram and
afterwards joined his party for
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dinner, at which there was
extensive discussion.
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Udar told the devotee.
You should come to the ashram.
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The devotee replied that he had
no money and had no idea how he
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would be able to pay for the
plane flight or stay in
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Pondicherry, India.
Udar said Mother will provide
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afterwards.
That night when the devotee went
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back to his parents house where
he was staying, he was
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confronted by them.
They insisted he see a
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psychiatrist as they felt he had
abandoned his career and
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prospects by chasing crazy
ideas.
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He declined.
They then said that their only
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other option was to give him a
ticket to India and funds for a
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year's stay so that he could see
for himself and work it out of
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his system.
He saw the way the Mother had
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chosen to provide as a spiritual
event intervening in his life.
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Another incident occurred for
the devotee the same year.
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The Mother used to give darshan
from the balcony on specific
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days each year.
The August 15th, 1973 darshan
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was not expected to occur due to
her fragile state of health.
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The devotee was, however,
awakened early in the morning
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around 3:00 AM with a jolt of
powerful energy just about
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lifting him out of the bed, and
he reported feeling like he was
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almost walking on air.
And he knew at that moment that
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the darshan would take place,
despite the fact that everyone
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had indicated it would not
occur.
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When he went to the ashram
building later that morning, he
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saw the sign that announced the
darshan would occur in the
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evening.
People everywhere have
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inexplicable stories relating to
their inner spiritual
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00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,200
experiences, their relations
with their guru, miracle cures
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00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,560
that occur after praying to the
guru, etcetera.
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In his extraordinary book,
Autobiography of a Yogi,
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00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,200
Paramount's Yogananda recounts
innumerable incidents of
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00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:38,440
spiritual forces at work, many
of his own direct experience,
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00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,400
numerous with witnesses and
recounts of trusted individuals
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in his life who provided similar
evidence of things that were
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inexplicable to the logical
mind, but which advanced the
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spiritual direction, guidance,
and growth of the individuals
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involved.
One incident involved his being
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00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,160
healed from a dire case of
Asiatic cholera.
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Quote.
My life was despaired of.
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The doctors could do nothing.
At my bedside, Mother
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00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,360
frantically motioned me to look
at Lahiri Mahosia's picture on
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00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,160
the wall above my head.
Bow to him.
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Mentally, she knew I was too
feeble even to lift my hands.
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And in salutation, if you really
show your devotion and inwardly
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kneel before him, your life will
be spared.
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I gazed at his photograph and
saw there a blinding light
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enveloping my body and the
entire room.
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My nausea and other
uncontrollable symptoms
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00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,080
disappeared.
I was well at once.
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00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,640
I felt strong enough to bend
over and touch Mother's feet in
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appreciation of her immeasurable
faith in her, girl grew.
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O omnipresent Master, I thank
Thee that thy light hath healed
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my son.
I realized that she too had
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witnessed the luminous blaze
through which I had instantly
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recovered from a usually fatal
disease.
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End Quote.
Sri Aurobindo himself told of
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his experiences during his time
as an under trial detainee and
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00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,360
also during his trial in the
Alapur bomb conspiracy case.
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00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,680
He was eventually acquitted in
his tales of prison life and in
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00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,760
the remarkable Uttar Para speech
he provided ample evidence and
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00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:46,440
examples in his own life.
Of spiritual power at work, Sri
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00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,040
Rabindo writes quote.
It is evident that if spiritual
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00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,840
force exists, it must be able to
produce spiritual results.
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00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,080
Therefore, there is no
irrationality in the claim of
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00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,720
those Sadaks who say that they
feel the force of the Guru or
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00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,400
the force of the Divine working
in them and leading towards
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00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,960
spiritual fulfillment and
experience.
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00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,360
Whether it is so or not in a
particular case is a personal
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00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,640
question, but the statement
cannot be denounced as per SE
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00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,240
and credible and manifestly
false because such things cannot
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00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,080
be.
Further, if it be true that
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00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,760
spiritual force is the original
one and the others are
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00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,160
derivative from it, and there is
no irrationality, and supposing
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that spiritual force can produce
mental results, vital results,
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00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:45,440
physical results, it may act
through mental, vital or or
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physical energies and through
the means which these energies
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use.
Or it may act directly on mine,
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life or matter as the field of
its own special and immediate
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action.
Either way, as prima facie if
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possible.
In a case of cure of illness,
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someone is ill for two days,
weak, suffering from pains and
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fever.
He takes no medicine, but
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finally asked for cure from his
guru.
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The next morning he rises well,
strong and energetic.
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He has at least some
justification for thinking that
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a force has been used on him and
put into him, and that it was a
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spiritual power that acted.
But in another case medicines
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may be used, while at the same
time the invisible force may be
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called for to aid the material
means.
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For it is a known fact that
medicines may or may not
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succeed.
There is no certitude here for
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the reason of an outside
observer, one who is neither the
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user of the force nor the doctor
nor the patient.
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It remains uncertain whether the
patient was cured by the
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medicines only or by the
spiritual. 4th with the
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medicines as an instrument.
Either is possible, and it
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cannot be said that because
medicines were used, therefore,
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the working of a spiritual force
is per SE incredible and
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demonstrably false.
On the other hand, it is
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possible for the doctor to have
felt a force working in him and
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guiding him, or he may see the
patient improving with a
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rapidity which according to
medical science is incredible.
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The patient may feel the force
working in himself, bringing
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health, energy, rapid cure.
The user of the force may watch
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the results, see the symptoms he
works on, diminishing those he
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did not work upon, increasing
till he does work on them, and
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then immediately diminishing the
doctor, working according to his
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unspoken suggestions, etcetera,
etcetera, until the cure is
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done.
On the other hand, he may see
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forces working against the cure
and conclude that the spiritual
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force has to be contented with a
withdrawal or an imperfect
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success In all that the doctor,
the patient, or the user of
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force is justified in believing
that the cure is at least
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partially or even fundamentally
due to the spiritual force.
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Their experience is valid, of
course, for themselves only, not
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for the outside rationalizing
observer.
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But the latter is not logically
entitled to say that their
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experience is incredible and
must be false.
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Another point, it does not
follow that a spiritual force
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must either succeed in all cases
or if it does not, that proves
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its non existence.
Of no force.
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Can that be said?
The force of fire is to burn,
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but there are things it does not
burn under certain
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circumstances.
It does not burn even the feet
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of the man who walks barefoot on
red hot coals.
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That does not prove that fire
cannot burn or that there's no
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such thing as force of fire.
Agni Shakti, I have no time to
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write more.
It is not necessary either.
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My object was not to show that
spiritual force must be believed
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in, but the that the belief in
it is not necessarily a delusion
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and that this belief can be
rational as well as possible.
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End Quote Reference Srioro Bindu
and the Mother.
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The Hidden Forces of Life,
Chapter 7, Spiritual Forces of
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Help and Succor, pages 160 to
162.
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