June 12, 2024
Interpreting Actions in the World Based on Our Preconceived Ideas and Notions
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, The Hidden Forces of Life, Ch. 5 Occult Forces, pp. 111-112 This episode is also available as a blog post at https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2024/06/08/interpreting-actions-in-the-world-based-on-our-preconceived-ideas-and-notions/
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In the Mahabharata, a story is
related that illustrates the
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inability of anyone to judge an
action by the outer form it
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takes or the result that
eventuates.
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The birth of Bishma is related.
In the Adiparva, Prince Shantanu
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fell in love with a beautiful
woman he met and asked her to
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marry him.
She agreed on the condition that
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he never questioned any of her
acts.
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She gave birth successively to a
number of sons and immediately
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took them to the river Ganga and
drowned them one after another.
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This went on for a number of
times.
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00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,000
Finally, Chantanu could no
longer stand it that his
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presumptive heirs were being
killed by his wife and he broke
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a promise and asked her what she
was doing.
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She then replied that he had
broken his promise and thus she
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would have to depart, but she
would keep the last and final
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sun alive.
This sun became Bishma, the
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renowned elder and warrior in
the Mahabharata War.
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She indicated that she was
actually an incarnation of the
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river Ganga and had taken birth
expressly at the request of
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certain celestial beings, the
Vasus, who had been cursed to
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take a human birth in their
former lifetime.
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She had agreed to release them
from the curse by giving birth
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and then immediately ending
their lives.
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Thus she was carrying out an
action related to another
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domain, another plane, another
realm of experience played out
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in the material world of human
life.
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Who among us could have
understood such a line of cause
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and effect that departs so
widely from our normal human
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conceptions about the
significance of life on Earth?
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00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,160
Many things which happen in the
world defy direct interpretation
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00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,360
from our mental preconceptions.
Different cultures hold
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00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,560
different values.
People grow with vastly
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00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,000
different viewpoints and
expectations.
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Our religious beliefs, our
educational background, our
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political and social framework,
our familiar circumstances all
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go to shape how we see and
interpret things.
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And based on these factors, we
seem to have a very narrow view
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and understanding, which
sometimes gets things right but
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00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:51,520
many times does not.
A disciple inquires, Are there
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not accidents which are almost
inevitable?
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I just read of a case cited by
an American who had the gift of
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clairvoyance.
A child was playing on a railway
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00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,480
track.
It was in danger.
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00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,560
Suddenly the witness saw an
apparition beside the child, and
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00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,960
he breathed a sigh of relief,
thinking the child will be
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saved.
But to his great astonishment,
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the apparition put its hand over
the eyes of the child and threw
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it in some way under the train.
This man was much troubled.
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He could not understand why a
being whom he had taken for a
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higher being would push a child
to its death.
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The mother responds.
Quote.
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Certainly this may be true, but
without having the vision
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oneself, 1 can't explain it.
It may be a question of two
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00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,440
absolutely different things.
Perhaps, indeed, it was its
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destiny in the sense that it was
the end of the life necessary
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for its psychic being.
It was a death which had been
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00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,280
predestined for some reason,
because that can happen.
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00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,520
Or perhaps it could be an
adverse force which he took to
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00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,200
be an Angel of light.
For generally people make this
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mistake when they see an
apparition.
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They always think it is
something heavenly.
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It is heavenly if you like, but
it depends on what heaven it
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comes from.
It is a strange thing because
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yes, the moment of
unconsciousness, the slackening
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of consciousness may be
translated by this someone
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putting the hand over the eyes.
End Quote.
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Reference Sri Aurobindo and the
Mother, The Hidden Forces of
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00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,400
Life, Chapter 5, Occult Forces,
pages 111 to 112.
00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,560
In the Mahabharata, a story is
related that illustrates the
2
00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:09,880
inability of anyone to judge an
action by the outer form it
3
00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,120
takes or the result that
eventuates.
4
00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,800
The birth of Bishma is related.
In the Adiparva, Prince Shantanu
5
00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,680
fell in love with a beautiful
woman he met and asked her to
6
00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,960
marry him.
She agreed on the condition that
7
00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,440
he never questioned any of her
acts.
8
00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,840
She gave birth successively to a
number of sons and immediately
9
00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,560
took them to the river Ganga and
drowned them one after another.
10
00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:41,400
This went on for a number of
times.
11
00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,000
Finally, Chantanu could no
longer stand it that his
12
00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,400
presumptive heirs were being
killed by his wife and he broke
13
00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,640
a promise and asked her what she
was doing.
14
00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,480
She then replied that he had
broken his promise and thus she
15
00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,640
would have to depart, but she
would keep the last and final
16
00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,000
sun alive.
This sun became Bishma, the
17
00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,840
renowned elder and warrior in
the Mahabharata War.
18
00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,120
She indicated that she was
actually an incarnation of the
19
00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,840
river Ganga and had taken birth
expressly at the request of
20
00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,120
certain celestial beings, the
Vasus, who had been cursed to
21
00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,680
take a human birth in their
former lifetime.
22
00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,200
She had agreed to release them
from the curse by giving birth
23
00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,000
and then immediately ending
their lives.
24
00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,360
Thus she was carrying out an
action related to another
25
00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:46,880
domain, another plane, another
realm of experience played out
26
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,520
in the material world of human
life.
27
00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,920
Who among us could have
understood such a line of cause
28
00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,800
and effect that departs so
widely from our normal human
29
00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,800
conceptions about the
significance of life on Earth?
30
00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,160
Many things which happen in the
world defy direct interpretation
31
00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,360
from our mental preconceptions.
Different cultures hold
32
00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,560
different values.
People grow with vastly
33
00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,000
different viewpoints and
expectations.
34
00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,680
Our religious beliefs, our
educational background, our
35
00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:29,320
political and social framework,
our familiar circumstances all
36
00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,960
go to shape how we see and
interpret things.
37
00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:39,360
And based on these factors, we
seem to have a very narrow view
38
00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,640
and understanding, which
sometimes gets things right but
39
00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:51,520
many times does not.
A disciple inquires, Are there
40
00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,880
not accidents which are almost
inevitable?
41
00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,760
I just read of a case cited by
an American who had the gift of
42
00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,280
clairvoyance.
A child was playing on a railway
43
00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,480
track.
It was in danger.
44
00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,560
Suddenly the witness saw an
apparition beside the child, and
45
00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,960
he breathed a sigh of relief,
thinking the child will be
46
00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,000
saved.
But to his great astonishment,
47
00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,120
the apparition put its hand over
the eyes of the child and threw
48
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,800
it in some way under the train.
This man was much troubled.
49
00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,400
He could not understand why a
being whom he had taken for a
50
00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,600
higher being would push a child
to its death.
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00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,280
The mother responds.
Quote.
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00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,080
Certainly this may be true, but
without having the vision
53
00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,840
oneself, 1 can't explain it.
It may be a question of two
54
00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,440
absolutely different things.
Perhaps, indeed, it was its
55
00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,000
destiny in the sense that it was
the end of the life necessary
56
00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,480
for its psychic being.
It was a death which had been
57
00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,280
predestined for some reason,
because that can happen.
58
00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,520
Or perhaps it could be an
adverse force which he took to
59
00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,200
be an Angel of light.
For generally people make this
60
00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,040
mistake when they see an
apparition.
61
00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,680
They always think it is
something heavenly.
62
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,720
It is heavenly if you like, but
it depends on what heaven it
63
00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,520
comes from.
It is a strange thing because
64
00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,880
yes, the moment of
unconsciousness, the slackening
65
00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,920
of consciousness may be
translated by this someone
66
00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,400
putting the hand over the eyes.
End Quote.
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00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,920
Reference Sri Aurobindo and the
Mother, The Hidden Forces of
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00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,400
Life, Chapter 5, Occult Forces,
pages 111 to 112.
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