How to Escape the Matrix Interview

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So we are actually one being, if
you will, that shares a common

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relationship by the very active
breathing.

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Can you explain what is the
Super mind and how is it

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qualitatively different from our
current state of rational

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rational mental consciousness?
We generally judge our

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relationships, our families by
physical and biological basis,

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OK?
In other words, we're born into

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a family, we're born into a
society, we're born into a

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culture, we're born into a
religion, and that's how we

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frame ourselves.
There's a project taking place

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in South India called Oroville,
which is a Township that's being

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developed eventually to be a
city of 50,000 people and

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integrate people from many
different cultures, languages,

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backgrounds, religions, et
cetera.

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In your experience, what's the
biggest resistance people have

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to doing this inner work and how
can they overcome it?

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I think the biggest resistance
is their fear of giving up what

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is known and secure to them and
that their peers and their

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friends circle and their
education and background and

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training have told them they
should do.

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Hello beautiful and amazing

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people.
Welcome to the Conscious Man 7

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podcast.
I am your host Todd Cave, and

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this podcast is the place where
awakening men and women come to

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unlock the deeper truths of
life, break free from the

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illusions of modern society, and
reconnect to their true power.

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In this episode, we're diving
into one of the most profound

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spiritual blueprints for
humanities, evolution with

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author, teacher, and
consciousness explorer Santosh

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Krinsky.
Santosh has spent decades

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immersed in the teachings of Sri
Arabindo, one of the most

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influential spiritual
philosophers of the modern era.

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Through his work at the
Institute for Holistic Education

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and his readings in Sri Arabindo
series, Santosh brings ancient

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spiritual wisdom into practical
focus, giving us tools to

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confront today's identity
crises, the addiction to

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consumerism, and one of the
deeper questions about our

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purpose.
This isn't just an intellectual

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conversation, it's a road map to
escape the Matrix.

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If you've ever wondered whether
there is more to life than the

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endless pursuit of money,
validation, and survival, this

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episode could be your turning
point.

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Stay tuned.
When truth is blurred by lies

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and misinformation, perception
becomes reality.

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What will you perceive your
reality to be?

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Liberate your fears and walk
with me.

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Sit down and meditate.
Connect with your soul.

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So it really goes really deep in
terms of words and etymology and

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what they mean.
So This is why like it is really

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hard to really crap the Matrix
because there's so many levels

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and layers to it, you know?
Santosh, welcome to the

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Conscious Man 7 podcasts.
How are you today mate?

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Thank you.
I'm fine and it's a pleasure to

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be with you today, Tom.
Yes, I'm really looking forward

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to this conversation because
prior to looking you up, I never

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heard about Sri Arabindo.
And from what I have seen, his

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work is pretty good, but it
seems to be pretty dense and

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most people seem to have
difficulty interpreting it.

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And you spent decades basically
studying this guy and I would

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guess you can say decrypting or
making the information and the

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understanding more accessible to
to to people to humanity.

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So I was, I'm very interested to
talk to you today so that even

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myself, I can learn a few
things, you know.

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So today I want to start off
because I have seen you talk

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talked about the existential
crisis that we have.

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So what is the existential
crisis of humanity today, and

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how does it manifest in our
daily lives across mental

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health, identity and meaning?
Well, that's a great question.

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Scientists have told us we are
in the midst of the 6th

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planetary die off.
The last planetary die off was

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when all the dinosaurs
disappeared a long time ago.

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This die off means that species
that lived on this planet are

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dying every single day of the
week.

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And it's happening because we
humanity, have made dramatic

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changes to the environment, if
you will, within which we live.

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We've changed the climate, we've
changed the chemical balance.

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We've what what we call
pollution everywhere.

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We've added microplastics and
all kinds of pharmaceutical

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drugs into the waterways,
fertilizers and pesticides.

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And herbicides and all of these
things together are creating

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that crisis.
But it goes even further because

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we've exploited certain
resources to such a great degree

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that.
Even humanity is having trouble

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keeping up with it.
And a couple of examples.

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There's a real freshwater
problem in the world today.

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The freshwater is disappearing.
It's being used.

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The aquifers are all being drawn
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melting, and they're melting
into this saline oceans.

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And so we're starting to see
water conflicts arising around

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the world.
Even in the United States, we

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have the concern about the use
of the Colorado River and which

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States and which First Nations
tribes and how much Mexico gets

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can all be basically a method of
creating conflict.

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But you have the same thing
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the same thing in South Asia and
Southeast Asia.

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In the recent war, more or less
between India and Pakistan,

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India said, well, we're going to
cut off a Pakistan's

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availability of water from the
Brahmaputra.

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The Chinese coming off the
Tibetan Plateau are already

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controlling some of the major
rivers in Southeast Asia and

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South Asia, and they're starting
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some of the other countries to
get them to do what they want.

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This is not against or for any
particular group of people.

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It's happening all over the
world because fresh water is

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disappearing and people are
fighting for this essential

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resource.
Another example, several billion

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people on the planet rely on
fish as their primary protein

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source.
Now, I'm a vegan.

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It doesn't affect me personally
directly, but the ocean

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fisheries have been so decimated
by overfishing that they're in

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the process of collapsing.
And when they collapse, you're

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going to have a billion people
who aren't going to have a major

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food source that they rely on
today, and that is going to

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create serious problems.
The other thing that's happening

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is climate change, even if some
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actually taking place.
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the oceans, making the plankton
that provide the first food

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source for the rest of the food
chain in the ocean and produce

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more oxygen than the trees do on
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They're dying off in vast areas
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And then you Add all the
plastics that are going into the

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oceans and how that's getting
into the stomachs of the larger

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fish and mammals in the ocean
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decimating that portion of the
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We've got a real serious problem
here and people don't

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necessarily recognize it.
We're poisoning ourselves.

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We have hormonal changes taking
place, reduction of sperm

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counts, reduction of fertility,
earlier fertility for young

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girls because of all the hormone
disrupting chemicals that we're

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putting into our own water
supply through the chemicals

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we're creating.
And we have pollution, we have

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lead, we have mercury.
We have all these things that

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affect our lives and affect the
planet.

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So I call this the 6th planetary
die off, which I didn't coin

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that term, but to me that's an
existential crisis, putting

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aside the fact that it creates.
All kinds of conflicts between

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people and fights over
resources, fights over access,

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fights over who's polluting and
who's getting victimized by it.

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And we wind up with a lot of
conflict, wars, threats of

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nuclear or biological
destruction and mass migrations,

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and then the attempts to control
these things after the fact.

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And to me, that looks like one
big can of worms, you could say,

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in terms of what we as humanity
are facing today.

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So what you describe sounds to
me like systematic breakdown,

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and it seems like a system
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So why have the traditional
quotation mark solutions,

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politics, religion, science and
economics failed to resolve the

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core spiritual vacuum?
Well, that's a.

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That's a good question.
A lot of that is based on where

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those different solutions come
from and their limitations.

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The mental capability of
humanity is very much linear.

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You could say it goes from point
A to point B, it extrapolates,

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it analyzes, it divided divides,
but it doesn't undertake what I

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would call a global or holistic
view of things.

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And so the solutions tend to
have unintended consequences,

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and people sitting in different
spots in the mental realm have

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different ways of looking at it
and different solutions.

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And then they all conflict with
each other and they haven't

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found a way to harmonize that.
So we wind up with what is

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called gridlock.
And we see that today in the

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governments around the world.
We see paralysis as they try to

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solve problems mentally with
political or economic or

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technological solutions.
And in terms of religion, that

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comes from a somewhat different
space in our being.

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But each religion has its own
agenda, if you will, and they

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haven't quite all come to the
conclusion that they need to

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stay nice with each other.
A religion has probably caused

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more wars and more depths than
any other thing in the in the

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history of humanity because they
all think that they're the ones

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and everyone else is wrong.
And in some cases it's have a

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crusade and kill the infidels.
You know, this has not been a

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pretty history that religion has
undergone, even though.

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The founders of religions in
many cases spoke of the unity

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and the oneness of humanity, the
unity of consciousness on the

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planet.
It didn't quite translate down

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to all of the disciples and then
the vested interest that latched

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on to that because they can
capture the supportive.

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People.
So it wound up with that.

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The religions for the most part
got Co opted by the vested

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interests.
We put it in Christian terms.

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Jesus turned down the control of
the government, the politics of

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the world when he was tempted
with that.

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But later the Roman Empire Co
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made it a state religion and
used it to conquer other people.

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So we have the difference
between a founder and the result

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later, hundreds of years,
possibly later, when it when it

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actually gets carried out in the
real world and people start

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fighting over money and prestige
and power and everything else.

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Yeah, it I totally agree with
you in the sense that religion

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is.
I say it's a terrible idea.

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I think it's the worst invention
ever given to man and I think it

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is created part of the crises
that we have.

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So with that being said, can you
share how Sri or Rabindo framed

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this crisis in his time and why
his diagnosis is more relevant

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than ever in 2025?
Yes, To do that I have to take

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us back a little bit to an
understanding of the evolution

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of consciousness, because
essentially Sri or Bindo looks

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at the development of
consciousness as the key to

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evolution on the planet.
Charles Darwin talks about the

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evolution of forms, and he
studied how different forms move

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from one formation to the next
formation to the next formation.

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And that didn't explain what the
causative factor is.

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And the causative factor from
Sri Aurobindo's viewpoint was

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the development of
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There's a consciousness, if you
will, in every rock and every

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mineral on the planet.
If you study them, you will see

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that there is an incredible
atomic structure that is

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mathematical in nature that's
highly controlled.

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And as Einstein and others
proved, matter is actually a

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solidified form of energy.
OK, it's it can be converted

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into energy, which led us to the
atomic bomb and nuclear energy.

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So the energy is locked away in
matter.

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It's there.
It's just not very active or

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visible to us in the material
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Out of those material forms,
over a period of many millennia,

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life forms evolved and life
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They add movement,
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etcetera.
They transform energy into new

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patterns and forms.
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and then we saw the development
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and can begin to eat and attack
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the development of the mental
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rudimentary form in animals, and
then secondarily as it begins to

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develop in a more expressive
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So we are the primary vehicle or
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consciousness on the planet
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It's not fully formed in every
individual it We still have a

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lot of our vital energetic
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that are forcing and directing
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great degree.
But we have capabilities at the

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mental level that we don't see
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evolution of consciousness.
Trio Robindo looks at this and

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says there is a movement and a
trajectory towards increasing

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consciousness, and it's pretty
clear that the mental

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consciousness is limited even
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the most developed human
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limitations because it's linear
and it's restricted and it's

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blinded by its own narrowness.
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there are future and other
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have yet to evolve.
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consciousness bring in powers of
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global in scope.
They bring in intuition in a

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really true sense, and they
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supra.
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beyond the mind.
And it basically is a holistic

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consciousness.
It can see things from all

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different angles and directions
and see the wholeness of it, not

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just the divisions of it which
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We're really good at dividing.
We're not real good at

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synthesizing, bringing things
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And that's a failure of
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It's one of the reasons we fight
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We see there's different
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races, there's different
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different religions, there's
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languages, and we treat those as
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Whereas a different
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consciousness, we'll see them
all as part of a vast picture of

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oneness, where each part is an
essential part of a bigger

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picture, and that they all need
each other and belong together

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and need to be working in
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And so that's Srioro Bindo's
direction is to say, let's

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encourage and support
consciously the evolution of

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consciousness to the next stage,
which nature is going to work

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out eventually.
But we're in an existential

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crisis, so we need to actually
have people who are ready to

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focus on this and do it and be
receptive to it to move it along

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a little faster so that we don't
destroy ourselves before that

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can happen.
Very, very interesting you said

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about what Sri said.
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before, let's delve into the
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So can you explain the stages of
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described by him, but and then
also from the inconsistent, the

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Super mind, which you kind of
touched on just now, just now?

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I'd be happy to do that.
So essentially there is a

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material consciousness, and
we're talking about on the

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planet here in, you know, on
Earth, and something that we can

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relate to because the
consciousness of the universe

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and what it's all about is
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Obviously, I don't think anybody
can say why and what the

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universe is about and where it's
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But starting with the
consciousness of the planet, the

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first thing we see is the
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forms.
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After that, we see a refinement
of those material forms and we

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start seeing things like
crystals and really highly

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organized material.
And if you ever looked at what a

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a crystal's form is under a
microscope, you'll see it

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dramatically varies from the
raw, like rock that you'll find

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on the on the ground somewhere.
It's very, very well organized

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and that's why crystals are
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For things like microphones and
radio transmission, because they

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have capacities that ordinary
rock does not have, there's

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another sort of slice of
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crystals.
People don't think about that.

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They just say, oh it's a
crystal, but it actually

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represents the next stage of
material form consciousness at a

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higher level than just plain
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After that we see the
development of single cell

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plants and they gain the power
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energy and biological energy in
particular, which material

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consciousness doesn't have.
OK, your rock isn't going to

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take the sunlight and turn it
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that.
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oxygen, which allows animal life
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Animal life then uses the oxygen
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symbiotic relationship with the
plants because the plants need

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the carbon dioxide and we exhale
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carbon dioxide and inhale
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We don't survive without the
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The plants don't survive without
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So we are actually one being, if
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relationship by the very active
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So animal consciousness adds
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ability to react and desire and
go after things, as opposed to

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plants which need things to come
to them, if you will, that they

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need to absorb.
And then we see the first stages

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of the mental development
starting to happen with various

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animals that are able to devise
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There's some birds and some and
certainly primates that are tool

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using beings at a very
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And then the next stage you come
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development where a lot of that
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Our tool making skills, our
speech skills improve over what

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animals have.
And at a certain point, as

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humanity develops, we gain what
we call the higher reason, which

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is a skill set for thinking
beyond the immediate situation

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and need planning, articulating
and looking back into the past,

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reflecting and eventually self
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Where we can actually look at
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our goal, what is our purpose,
what is our significance, what

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are we here to do?
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I mean, all these questions come
up as a result of the mental

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consciousness developing beyond
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and beyond the developed reason,
there are other powers of

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consciousness.
And we see in humanity certain

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individuals who begin to express
these additional powers

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rudimentary, They're not fully
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But you see things like people
who have the ability to read

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emotions from each other, who
are able to be empathetic, who

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have the ability of
communicating with others in

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other parts of the world, who
have distance vision, who can go

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into lucid dreaming, who can
have clairvoyance to some

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degree, who can predict the
relationship of things at a

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level that the rudimentary
animal or even the lower levels

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of human consciousness have not
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Now, some of these are very
rare, and some of them people

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fake for personal gain.
So people say, well, it's all

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fake.
Well, it's not all fake.

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There are real individuals who
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There are examples.
For example, a case that I read

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about was there was a soldier in
the First World War and his

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sister lived, you know,
thousands of miles away.

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And at a certain point in time,
she suddenly got a feeling that

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said that her brother had just
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And then she got the
confirmation from the Army later

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that he had died on this place
and this time and under these

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circumstances.
And it corresponded with that

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feeling she had.
Now, how does that happen?

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There is a power of
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Nikola Tesla talks about
wireless energy moving

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throughout the universe and
being able to harness it, which

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is why we now have cell phones.
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human beings are able to pick up
subtle vibrations and send out

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subtle vibrations across
distance when they have gotten

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to the point of developing these
other powers at the next level

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of consciousness.
Beyond that, we see further

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developments where people can
become conscious of the whole

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world.
I mean, they can really gain a

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consciousness of unity and
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And those individuals, in many
cases, we identify as great

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seers and sages and religious
founders, you know, people who

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really have an experience that
goes beyond the ordinary, who

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see things differently, great
artists in some cases.

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And those represent powers
beyond our ordinary cognition in

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our daily lives.
And it doesn't mean that people

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can't develop it.
It just means they haven't

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developed it yet.
And I'll get, I'll give you an

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example.
A child is born and its first

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efforts are gaining control of
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It learns how to crawl.
It learns how to pull itself up.

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It learns how to walk.
It learns how to develop

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coordination of the physical
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their brain.
Along the way, they start to

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develop their vital needs and
personality.

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And if anyone's had children,
they know about the terrible

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twos.
This is when the personality,

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the vital nature, begins to want
to see what its boundaries are

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and how it can assert itself in
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And then as they develop, they
begin to integrate those things

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more.
And at some point their mental

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development begins to take place
and some of them go on to

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careers in engineering or
technology or philosophy or

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humanities or writing or
whatever it might be

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communication as they develop
their mental powers.

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So it's not beyond comprehension
to believe that as humanity

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gets, as an individual gets
ready, as their stage of life

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develops, as their capacities
reach a certain point, they're

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able at that time to take on and
develop the next level of

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consciousness.
We see that within ourselves up

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to the level of mind, and we see
some individuals who can go

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beyond the rudimentary mind that
we now see because for whatever

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reason, they're receptive to it.
They've gotten their framework

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ready to receive and deal with
those powers, and they start to

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express them.
OK, so it sounds like you were

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talking about something called
the Super mind.

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So can you explain what is the
Super mind and how is it

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qualitatively different from our
current state of rationale

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rational mental consciousness?
So as Sri Robindo explains it,

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because obviously if you haven't
yourself necessarily experienced

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it, you have to take some of
this a little bit on the

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experience of others, OK.
And so as he explains it, and

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actually going back beyond that
to some of the ancient seers and

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sages, they talk about a
knowledge consciousness.

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In Sanskrit, it's vignana, which
is the term for the

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consciousness at the next level
behind mind or manas.

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And that consciousness is one
with the, you could say the

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universe, but at least with the
planetary existence, it can see

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and feel and experience things
in a wholeness, in a

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completeness that the mind
doesn't have.

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The mind works in straight lines
and it works with either or

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black and white, very limited
perception.

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It's more or less, and I use
this example recently for some

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other purpose, but there's a
famous story of five different

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people observing an automobile
accident from 5 different

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locations on the ground, and
they each come up with a

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different story about who caused
what and what the sequence was.

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They're each seeing it from
their mental awareness and

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consciousness.
But now if you put a super

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observer, if you will, above
them, say at a window above the

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street, he can see all five of
those observers.

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He can see the actual automobile
accident coming together.

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And he's the one who can
actually harmonize the five

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different viewpoints together
because he sees them all and he

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sees how they fit together with
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Super mind is basically the
Super observer if you will in

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that example.
OK, very, very interesting.

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So the Super mind, the way you
describe it, songs like how

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people say like infinite
consciousness or that field that

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where is nothing and everything
exists at the same time, it

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sounds a little bit like that.
What you're talking with that

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state where you have total
awareness is that.

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Does that make sense the way I'm
trying to describe it?

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I think it does make sense to a
certain degree, but there's so

460
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:00,160
much confusion about those
states that seem like they're

461
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,200
otherworldly and they take you
out of the world.

462
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,160
But the Super mental
consciousness should not

463
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,280
necessarily take you out of the
world.

464
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,400
It just gives you another
viewpoint so that you see both

465
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:20,320
the oneness, the unity of
everything and the diversity

466
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,480
that makes up that unity.
And that that's a much more

467
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,960
complex picture than going
shifting from you're involved in

468
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,200
the diversity and all the
different analysis that we do at

469
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,680
the mental level or you shift
over here and now you see

470
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,840
everything is a oneness.
Super mental consciousness is

471
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:50,880
able to integrate oneness with
diversity, unity with diversity,

472
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,760
and so they're both present
concurrently and not in conflict

473
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,240
with each other.
OK, that's interesting because

474
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,440
from my understanding we live in
kind of bit of a binary system

475
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,120
and I always thought it was the
binary which which is really the

476
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,120
separation from the infinite
consciousness.

477
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,160
But you're saying then that the
Super mind integrates both of

478
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,800
those together.
So it's like bringing the

479
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,600
separation in with the oneness
so that you can see both sides,

480
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,600
but still you can see on top at
the same time to get a holistic

481
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,000
view.
Does that sound a bit more like

482
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,520
what you're trying to explain?
Yes.

483
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:46,480
The whole idea of that binary is
really a mental way of looking

484
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,840
at things.
And the supra mental way of

485
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,880
looking at things would be to
recognize that there is a

486
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,160
oneness and a diversity that are
one thing.

487
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:05,320
And I'll give you an example.
You go to the ocean and you take

488
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,880
a glass and you fill it with
ocean water, OK.

489
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,520
When you fill it with ocean
water, the water is the same in

490
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,440
the ocean and in the glass, but
there's a separation.

491
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:27,200
It's an artificial separation.
And if you immerse that glass of

492
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,160
water into the ocean, the water
is flowing in and out of that

493
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,960
glass and it's still a full
glass of water, but it's also

494
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:44,320
part of that infinite ocean.
So it's it's a different way of

495
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,400
reflecting on things and, and
that's part of what helps us to

496
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:56,520
solve the existential crisis
eventually, because this linear

497
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:02,760
gridlocked view of things is
impossible for us to solve all

498
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,880
these crises we spoke about
earlier.

499
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,120
OK.
OK.

500
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,440
So in your view, how does our
transition to the next state,

501
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,720
the next phase of consciousness
related to modern movements like

502
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,640
transhumanism, AI or digital
immorality?

503
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,800
I think that every one of the
movements represents an attempt

504
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,280
by humanity to move beyond its
limitations.

505
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,800
And to that extent they are all
part of that aspiration for

506
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,760
something great or something
more harmonious, something

507
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,680
that's going to help us become
better human beings and relate

508
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,560
to one another more effectively
and solve some of the problems

509
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,880
that we've created with our
mental framework.

510
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:03,280
So I think there's a lot of
benefit from each of these

511
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,760
directions.
They don't any one of them

512
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,200
necessarily.
Solve the problem.

513
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,000
Because many of them are still
immersed in the mental

514
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,160
consciousness and certainly with
AI.

515
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,320
And it's interesting.
I recently did an interview with

516
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:27,200
ChatGPT and I actually posted a
lot of questions and had it

517
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,520
provide answers.
And I'm turning that into a

518
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,320
book, my dinner with ChatGPT,
because it's really fascinating

519
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,000
and it's pretty clear it's
limited by the mental framework

520
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,720
and it's not the solution to
this new consciousness.

521
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:49,840
It is simply an extension of the
mental consciousness, although

522
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:56,120
it has so much more information
available to it that it can make

523
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,600
connections that we find hard to
make on our own right now.

524
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:06,400
And it may help us to evolve as
we widen our understanding based

525
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:13,520
on what we can get from it.
You know, I I at first I was

526
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,120
started to, to, I once used the
word fear, but I was very

527
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,240
conscious of artificial
intelligence.

528
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,280
But I am now starting to think
that artificial intelligence is

529
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,200
pretty much like a gun.
A gun can be used to save

530
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,400
someone and a gun can be used to
kill someone, just like a knife,

531
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,960
any weapon, and I think it is
basically the user how you use

532
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,840
it.
So how I see artificial

533
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,280
intelligence is that if you
input the right information into

534
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,800
it, therefore you become like
the architect in like any

535
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,800
matrix.
You can actually create

536
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,040
revolutionary and magnificent
things because you are starting

537
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,320
to think on another level as
like a planner and the, and the

538
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,920
artificial intelligence can do
all the, the heavy lifting for

539
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,080
you, right?
Instead of you having to go and

540
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640
read hundreds and hundreds of
books, you can be.

541
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,000
And The thing is what you
realizable AI is you have to be

542
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,840
very specific because if you're
not very specific, it comes and

543
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,760
gives you information you're
like that, I don't want that.

544
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,640
So then it forces you now to
think on a higher level to say,

545
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,120
OK, I want is like you want to
create a play and you're writing

546
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,280
a script, but in your script
you'll be very detailed script.

547
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,760
And the more detailed you are,
the better information you can

548
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,320
get.
So I actually think that the we

549
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,920
can actually use AI to solve
many problems and create

550
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,600
revolutionary things that I
think will amaze us if we use a

551
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
higher level of mind to start a
program.

552
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,840
It because from playing with it,
I realized that the more stuff

553
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:04,000
you feed it better it actually
gets So it's almost like I guess

554
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,080
you can call it like a child
that you're raising where you,

555
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,960
you, you, you know, you try to
represent to be a good parent,

556
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,320
then you're trying to be a good
custodian then of it.

557
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,040
Then on the flip side, you can
use it for total nefarious

558
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,480
things where they're saying that
the straight that Ukraine data

559
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,720
or Russia, they used AI to help
with the precision of the

560
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,880
targeting.
So then that could be a way.

561
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,880
Now we're use it as a weapon to
to cause harm where you know,

562
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,600
you're feeding it specific
detail stuff to maim and to to

563
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:45,400
kill while not on the flip side,
you can use it to heal call like

564
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,920
look for illnesses, to find
complex calculations and stuff.

565
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:57,400
And even for astrophysics and
you know me all that, all that

566
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,040
kind of stuff, you know.
So I think I think it's it's a

567
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,760
great opportunity for us, but we
have to be rare with people that

568
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,840
are programming it, which is
what where I sit now on defence

569
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,880
regards to AI.
Well, I think you're in a very

570
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,720
good spot with its benefits and
its potential drawbacks.

571
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,960
In my interview with ChatGPT, we
explored very heavily.

572
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,960
There's a whole chapter in the
in the book that I'm putting

573
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:31,840
together on the inherent biases
that can impact the way ChatGPT

574
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,560
responds to things, things like
confirmation bias and input bias

575
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,200
and programming bias.
And I mean, there's a lot of

576
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,200
issues that that go into that.
I had an explorer what its

577
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:52,200
biases were and where it came
from and how it overcame those

578
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,760
biases and how its programming
helped it to overcome those

579
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,280
biases.
It was fascinating.

580
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,960
But you're, you're right, to the
extent that it's used for

581
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,880
weaponry, it's like everything
else in human life.

582
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,840
We either make the best of it or
we make the worst of it.

583
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,000
And I totally agree with what
you had to say about that.

584
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:22,840
OK, so how what does Sri
Aurobindo mean when he speaks

585
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,880
about a new species evolving not
biologically, but spiritually?

586
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:36,880
We generally judge our
relationships, our families, by

587
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,640
physical and biological basis,
OK?

588
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,480
In other words, we're born into
a family, we're born into a

589
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,400
society, we're born into a
culture, we're born into a

590
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,680
religion, and that's how we
frame ourselves, OK.

591
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,240
What we start to see happening
nowadays is people are starting

592
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:04,040
to identify with others, as you
could say, family, not based

593
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:09,560
strictly on their biological
roots, but more based on their

594
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,240
inclinations, their spiritual
and mental and emotional

595
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,520
development, their interests,
etcetera.

596
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,200
And we find this happening all
over the world.

597
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,000
I've got friends in many, many
countries around the world, and

598
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:34,560
we never physically meet, but on
a certain level, we meet all the

599
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:41,640
time with our discussions, our
understanding of things, how we

600
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,880
approach things, how we work to
solve issues that we're facing.

601
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:53,840
And they're more my family than
my physical parents and siblings

602
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,360
might be.
I have much more in common with

603
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:03,040
those individuals and I do with,
you know, the physical family.

604
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:11,120
In the same way, we can see that
the spiritual development is

605
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,560
going to eventually create a
group of individuals around the

606
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,880
planet who naturally have an
affinity for one another because

607
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,640
they can vibrate at the same
level, they can relate to the

608
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,840
same things.
They can see things that up

609
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,960
until now, a few people have
seen.

610
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:36,320
Eventually, as humanity matures,
more and more individuals in

611
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,120
humanity will have these
capabilities and begin to evolve

612
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,320
them.
And these forerunners will be

613
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:50,000
able to provide them inspiration
and guidance because they've

614
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,200
been there and they're doing it.
And so that's what we would call

615
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,960
a new species.
It's, you know, you've got Homo

616
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:04,680
sapiens, but it might be that
beyond Homo sapiens, we've got

617
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,400
Homo supermentalis or whatever
you want to call it that

618
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,080
evolves.
And it, the differences may or

619
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,440
may not be great on the physical
level, but they're certainly

620
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,840
great on the evolutionary powers
of consciousness level.

621
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,800
And at some point they may
incorporate things that we don't

622
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,960
even think about.
For instance, there are genes

623
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,000
that we have in our DNA, in our
system that are turned off right

624
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,920
now for doing certain things,
genetic capabilities.

625
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,880
For instance, I was reading
today that elephants have like

626
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,840
30 genes that when turned on
prevent them from getting

627
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,200
cancer.
And we have one.

628
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,680
Now, if we were to turn on those
other 15 or 20 or 29 genes,

629
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,800
however many it is that we
actually have latent within us,

630
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,520
maybe cancer is cured.
You see what I mean?

631
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:15,360
Similarly, we get our food
second hand right now because

632
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,280
the plants are the ones that
convert the solar energy into

633
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,040
biological energy.
And if you're a vegan, you're

634
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,800
going to wind up eating plants
to get that energy.

635
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:34,880
If you are a carnivore or an
omnivore, then you're going to

636
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,200
wind up eating an animal that
eats a plant that gets the

637
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,600
energy.
But what if, just for the

638
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,840
moment, we turned on the genetic
capability within ourselves to

639
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,160
simply absorb the solar energy
directly and convert it into

640
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,080
biological energy?
There is actually an animal that

641
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:01,200
does that OK, and it's a small
animal somewhere.

642
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,000
I forget what it is, but I was
reading about it a few months

643
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,160
ago.
It actually has the power

644
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,680
because it ate some algae or
something and was able to

645
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,640
incorporate those genes into
itself so that it can now spend

646
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,720
a year not having to eat
anything because it creates.

647
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,880
Solar energy into biological
energy.

648
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,520
So what if that gets turned on
as a result of this next

649
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,040
evolutionary stage and people
don't have to fight so much over

650
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,080
the food supply?
Those are going to be a

651
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,560
different species of people now,
who knows?

652
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,840
I mean, we're now speculating,
but we're speculating about

653
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,400
things that are there.
They're now looking at growing

654
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,800
teeth with people's own tissues
that they're actually the

655
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,800
ability to regrow teeth instead
of putting in artificial teeth.

656
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:03,600
Certain animals can heal
themselves far more than human

657
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,720
beings can.
They can regrow limbs.

658
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,800
What if people begin to be able
to regrow limbs?

659
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Would that help constitute a
different species?

660
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,800
If some of these powers begin to
manifest now, who knows what

661
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,720
form that's all going to take,
But those are some of the

662
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:29,280
options that could lead to a new
species designation by the green

663
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,440
eyeshade scientists out there
who want to classify us.

664
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,640
Well, my research has has
pointed me in the direction that

665
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,960
humanity seems to have been
genetically manipulated and

666
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:48,080
altered about 250,000 years ago
with the turning off of our

667
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,520
telomeres and the the Kappanova
and Kappanova telomeres, sorry

668
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,240
and the fusion of chromosome 2.
And there were some also other

669
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,520
genetic modifications that seem
to have taken place.

670
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,520
And modern science has said that
it was an external modification

671
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:12,160
and not an evolutionary change.
So I do think that if those

672
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,240
genes are turned on, we would
most likely become a different

673
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,680
species.
Because even if you look at the

674
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,280
ages of humans in biblical
stories, you had Methuselah

675
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,320
living to 969 years, right?
Which is 9 times longer than

676
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,440
most humans will, at least nine
times longer than most humans

677
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,440
would live.
And then when you go back to the

678
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,120
Sumerian tablets, you saw the
1st immortal king Alulim, he

679
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:48,280
ruled for 28,800 years.
So it it it, it very much looks

680
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,400
to me like if we are the dumb
dumb version of what we used to

681
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,320
be.
And then reflecting on what you

682
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,680
said about not having to
necessarily eat well, I remember

683
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,960
years ago I was researching
breathetarians and they seem to

684
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:11,360
be very, very, very, very small
set of yogis that can literally

685
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:17,640
just absorb the sun and live.
And I saw this story, which is

686
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,760
fascinating, where they put this
guy in a room and they blocked

687
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,320
all access to food and water for
him.

688
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,240
I think it was for like a month
from memory.

689
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:34,640
And the guy lived and he didn't
lose any weight or anything like

690
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,360
that.
And he just stood there.

691
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:42,720
So I mean, who knows?
Like if all of us can actually

692
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,200
do that, then we would not need
food at all.

693
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:50,040
I mean, if we can grow in terms
of our consciousness like that,

694
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,600
I think a lot of the wars would
would, would go to pass because

695
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,720
wars are really for resources,
let's be honest.

696
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,320
And if you were able to just
absorb the sun's rays and to

697
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,880
live dead, you, you become
almost immortal, you know, So

698
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,760
that is quite fascinating when
you put it all together.

699
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,720
So let's transition to talk
about integral yoga.

700
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:21,840
And So what distinguishes
integral yoga from traditional

701
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,520
yogic paths or mindfulness
practices?

702
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,280
I think the main thing that
differentiates it is that it

703
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,000
doesn't have a fixed practice or
path.

704
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,000
It can incorporate at various
times and under various

705
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:46,880
circumstances, any of the other
paths for specific developmental

706
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,360
purpose of the practitioner.
So, for instance, there may be a

707
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,640
time to develop the physical
body and the energy centers and

708
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,360
you practice hatha yoga.
There may be a time when you

709
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,640
have to learn how to concentrate
the mind properly and remove a

710
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,480
lot of distractions.
So you practice mindfulness or

711
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,760
Zen or whatever it might be.
There are times when you might

712
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:17,080
need to do breathing practice to
gain control of the nervous

713
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,920
system and the and the flow of
the energy through the chakras.

714
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,280
Each one of those things in the
course of a spiritual

715
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:31,080
practitioner's development has
its time and its place and its

716
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,360
purpose and most paths.
They, you know, they'll tell you

717
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,440
just do this and you're going to
get there.

718
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Integral yoga doesn't say that.
What it says is become conscious

719
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,240
within yourself.
Observe as a witness, if you

720
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:56,960
will, of yourself the needs of
your development as they change

721
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:03,040
through time, and begin to apply
those practices and principles

722
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,560
at each stage so that you can
untie each knot that's tying you

723
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,840
down to the old nature and allow
you to move into a new form of

724
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,640
consciousness.
And so that that's really it.

725
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,680
It's really free form.
I mean, people go to the Sri

726
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,880
Aurobindo Ashram in Pondicherry
and say, well, where's the

727
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,800
teacher who's going to tell me
what to do?

728
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,160
And they find out there's nobody
there to tell them what to do.

729
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:36,400
They're going to tell you, well,
you need to become a witness of

730
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,280
yourself.
Understand the principles of the

731
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,640
development of consciousness,
the things that hold back the

732
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,200
consciousness in terms of vital
desires and aggressions and

733
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,480
fears and everything else, and
begin to systematically work

734
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,600
through them at your own pace,
in your own way, given your own

735
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:04,040
life situation, as opposed to.
A1 size fits all cookie cutter

736
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,360
approach that says just do this
practice and you're fine.

737
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,280
That's really interesting.
So it sounds a bit late.

738
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,120
You're taking all the branches
of yoga and putting them all

739
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,400
together and saying that
depending on where you are, pull

740
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,920
from this.
And then when that has helped

741
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,320
you with X challenge, then you
have another challenge pull from

742
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,440
there.
And then as you keep going on in

743
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,000
your journey, then you can maybe
come back to one that you used

744
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,560
before because it is applicable
to you at that specific time.

745
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:45,200
So you're not pigeon holed into
one practice or one way where at

746
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,120
that particular time it not may
not serve you well.

747
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,520
Does that sound right?
Up to a certain degree, I think

748
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,480
that's true.
It's like if you're a mechanic

749
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,000
and you're working on a piece of
machinery, you're going to have

750
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,240
a toolbox and you'll have a
screwdriver, you'll have a

751
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,800
pliers, you'll have a hammer,
you'll have a wrench.

752
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,680
You'll have all kinds of
different tools, and you're

753
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,680
going to pick the tool that
works for you to do what you

754
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,600
exactly need to do at that
moment.

755
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,360
And there may be multiple steps,
and you might need to put one

756
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,200
tool down, pick up the next one.
That's sort of the example

757
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,240
you've just given.
And to that extent, that's true.

758
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:33,720
But it's not a matter of just
creating a toolbox and using it.

759
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,520
It's a matter of taking a new
position of consciousness within

760
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,600
yourself so that you become the
observer or the witness of your

761
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,520
external nature.
And you can then begin to apply

762
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,160
those tools.
And whether they're in a formal

763
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,480
toolbox or not, whether they're
coming from some other

764
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,680
tradition, whether it's
something totally new that that

765
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:06,000
comes to you, some devotional
phase, some aspirational phase

766
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,320
that moves your emotional being
forward, whatever it might be,

767
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:17,680
you become that witness and you
move with that and then apply,

768
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,280
if necessary, whatever tools are
out there and available.

769
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:27,520
So it's it's sort of a meta
level of understanding beyond

770
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,960
the collection of tools.
Very interesting.

771
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,800
A I like your analogy of the
toolbox because I like to use

772
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,800
analogies as well.
So basically you're, you're

773
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,080
using the toolbox, but from an
observation point of view.

774
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,880
So you get again, you're going
back to the sprints of your tone

775
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,200
with the Super mind where you're
on top and you're seeing

776
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,760
everything but incorporating the
different points of views from

777
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,600
the five people that maybe saw
the accident.

778
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,240
OK, OK.
Oh, very, very interesting.

779
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:02,440
So for someone caught in modern
stress, addiction or depression.

780
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,640
Can Integral Yoga practically
help them?

781
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:14,200
It's very difficult for someone
who is immersed in their ego

782
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:20,840
personality, if you will, to
suddenly, magically get that

783
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,040
resolved.
As long as you're immersed in

784
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:29,240
the ego and responding to things
that way, you're going to have

785
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,520
your instances of depression,
You're going to have the

786
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:39,560
feelings of weakness or
limitation or fear, desire,

787
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,320
whatever it might be.
And to the extent that that's

788
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:49,760
working on you, you may wind up
with how do I get out of this?

789
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,920
And you wind up with alcohol or
drugs or addiction of some sort.

790
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,280
And it could be a non drug form
of addiction.

791
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,240
It could be, you know, food
addiction of some sort where you

792
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,600
just do what's called emotional
eating.

793
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,840
It could be a sex addiction of
addiction of some sort.

794
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:15,600
I mean, it could be an addiction
to essentially a work process

795
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,200
that you simply just immerse
yourself in and, and put

796
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,120
everyone else outside because
that's the only way you can deal

797
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,000
with it.
It can be an addiction to

798
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,760
withdrawal from life where
people just simply can't deal

799
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,320
with it and they walk away and
they, you know, they go and live

800
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,480
in a cabin in the woods
somewhere.

801
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:47,480
I mean, that's also a form of
addiction to basically moving

802
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:55,240
away from their, the inability
to address all the pressures and

803
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,240
conflicts that are coming.
At them, in their.

804
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,880
Lives, the griefs, the failures,
the limitations.

805
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,000
So.
The way Integral yoga.

806
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:12,200
Would look at this is to say,
start to separate yourself from

807
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,880
your external ego.
Observe it.

808
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:20,080
Just look at it.
Watch it when you feel down,

809
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,440
when you feel depressed, when
you feel angry, when you feel

810
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,920
sad.
Use that as an observational

811
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,200
point.
Don't get yourself so wrapped up

812
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:35,440
in it that it's driving your
action and you see what it's

813
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,600
doing to you, how it's making
you think, how it's making you

814
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,880
feel.
And once you're able to observe

815
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:48,240
it, then at a certain point
you're able to input a different

816
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,160
response.
And that different response may

817
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:58,880
be, well, OK, maybe I'm just
reacting to disappointment by

818
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,880
going out and eating or whatever
it is, or going out shopping.

819
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:09,000
And you say, well, let me
practice doing something

820
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,440
different this time.
Let me put something else in

821
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,520
there.
Let me do something

822
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,840
constructive.
Let me go out and help some

823
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,640
other people because that's
actually the best therapy for

824
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,080
people.
Go out there and just volunteer

825
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,440
and do something positive and
make people smile.

826
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:32,120
Give them, give them just that
moment of joy, and you will find

827
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:39,200
that your depression cannot
stand in front of being a

828
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,840
positive influence in other
people's lives.

829
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,560
That's a very simple way of
looking at it, but through

830
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,320
observation and understanding of
that, you can begin to

831
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:57,800
substitute positive outreach for
negative victimhood.

832
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,520
And that that can help over time
to bring people out of those

833
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,880
states of weakness and
depression.

834
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,520
You know, that is very similar
to like what I say to people.

835
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,880
I say to people that if you do
physical exercise, it is

836
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:20,920
impossible to be feeling sad and
depressed in the moment of doing

837
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,040
exercise.
You can't have those two

838
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,920
emotions or energies at the same
time while doing exercise.

839
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,840
It just doesn't happen.
And I like the way you you

840
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,400
analyzed it just now and I-1
started to realize is the

841
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,320
integral yoga.
It seems a lot from the

842
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,640
observation point of view and to
look at yourself from the

843
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,400
outside.
And I remember like when I was

844
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,880
going through one of the most
difficult points in my life.

845
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,600
The only way that I've actually
could get through it is if I've

846
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,960
started to practice observation
method because it became so

847
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,280
intense that I felt like I was
going to break.

848
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,240
And that was the only thing that
kind of like gave me a bitter

849
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:14,080
respite from how I was feeling.
So you know that that is very,

850
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,760
very interesting.
So with that being said, can you

851
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,320
share a story, your own or
someone else's, where integral

852
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,840
yoga pulls someone out of an
existential void?

853
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:34,080
Well, I can.
Basically, I was in college and

854
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,680
it was, it goes back a ways, but
it was during the time of the

855
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:44,240
Vietnam War, and some of us
didn't agree with the idea of

856
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:48,000
that war.
And so we went to Washington, DC

857
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,440
to protest what was called the
Mayday protests.

858
01:05:52,440 --> 01:06:00,200
And while we were there, for
various reasons, I was poisoned.

859
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:06,040
And I think it was biological
warfare, because by the next day

860
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,320
I had been sicker than I had
ever been sick in my life.

861
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:18,360
And so I went back to where I
was going to college and I got

862
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,840
poisoned again and people said
you need to go to a hospital.

863
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,920
Well, I was so paranoid at that
point, I didn't want to go

864
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,680
anywhere near a hospital.
So I said if I don't come out of

865
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,120
the room in the next three days,
just come in and collect the

866
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,600
body.
I mean, I was that out of it.

867
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:42,400
So totally disoriented about
where I was and what I was

868
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:48,760
doing.
And I basically had their, I

869
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,840
would call it a near death
experience.

870
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:59,600
Every bone in my body, every
muscle in my body seized up and

871
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,920
I couldn't breathe.
And then I heard somewhere

872
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,200
within the words, do yogic
breathing.

873
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,280
Now I had no idea what yogic
breathing was.

874
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,120
I had never had any relationship
to yoga.

875
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,160
It wasn't where I was coming
from.

876
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:21,520
I was on a career path.
I was on a college degree path.

877
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:26,880
I mean, it was not my life, OK?
And something started breathing

878
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,320
me.
Well, when I woke up, I saw the

879
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:38,800
sun shining and I knew that
there was a divine purpose in

880
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,640
the world and that my life had
changed.

881
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:50,200
And I became aware that the
economic, the political, the

882
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:55,480
technological, the mental
solutions that we all thought

883
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:03,280
we're going to somehow save the
world, we're totally useless and

884
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,480
something else needed to happen.
And at that point, I got a call

885
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,360
from a friend who said I can't
take this anymore, I'm going to

886
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,720
Europe.
I said great, give me two weeks

887
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:19,439
to finish my final exams and
I'll come with you.

888
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,399
And I knew he wasn't going to
stay and that he was there just

889
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:29,560
to move me to Europe.
So I packed up a few belongings

890
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,399
in a backpack and sold
everything I could to raise some

891
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:39,960
money and bought a couple of
yoga books, because who knew

892
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,800
anything about yoga?
But it had saved my life.

893
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:50,640
And so I bought Vivekananda's
Raja Yoga and I bought Tibetan

894
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,920
Yoga and Secret Practices by
Evans Wentz and took those two

895
01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:00,200
books with me to Europe and
started studying them and trying

896
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,200
to practice them on my own.
And while I was there, I was

897
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,040
living in an abandoned house
with other people next to the

898
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,640
university in Frankfurt.
And there was a philosopher in

899
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,200
another one of the rooms.
And we would have discussions

900
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:19,200
about Usspensky and Gorge Eve
and Rudolf Steiner.

901
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,840
And, you know, he educated me
about a lot of things.

902
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,840
And then one day he handed me
Srioro Bindo's book The Life

903
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,080
Divine and said I have an
American girlfriend.

904
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,319
I bought this for her.
I thought she'd be interested.

905
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,240
She's not interested at all.
I thought maybe you're

906
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:39,000
interested.
And I opened the book randomly

907
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,680
to the chapter the.
Aim of life the. 4 theories of

908
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,080
existence and I started reading
it and I realized.

909
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:53,080
But this represented for me
individually the solution that

910
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,880
wasn't going to happen through
technology, politics, religion,

911
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:03,920
economy or anything else.
And that's in 1971 I started

912
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:11,560
studying Trio Windows writings.
Wow, a near death experience and

913
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:16,760
just you'll get breathing.
That is his levels.

914
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:22,040
I I I tell you I've connected to
the divine in that respect as

915
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,080
well.
Where even this podcast I was

916
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:30,400
walking out of my sleep and I
was told and the the voice, as I

917
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,760
call it, said 2 words do
podcast.

918
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,080
That was it.
I said it loudly.

919
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:44,200
I was sleeping and I woke up.
Even when I woke up I heard it

920
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:51,280
again, do podcasts and basically
that is how the Conscious Man 7

921
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:56,160
was born.
So wow, what a story.

922
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:02,680
So how does how does integral
yoga view identity, especially

923
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:07,800
in a world obsessed with labels,
status and online personas?

924
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,680
I would say that the focus of
integral yoga is on the

925
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,760
evolution of the next level of
consciousness, and it's not

926
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:23,400
related to individual ego,
personality, status, income,

927
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,720
race, gender, any of those
things.

928
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:34,160
It's not based on how much you
own or how many toys you have or

929
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,600
how much enjoyment you get from
your outer life.

930
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:44,960
It's based on dedicating your
life to learning and growing and

931
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:52,840
evolving and becoming a better
human being and not using it to

932
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:58,520
control or convince or overpower
anybody or anything.

933
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,000
Everybody needs to grow at their
own level, at their own speed.

934
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,600
And that's one of the
understandings you get from this

935
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:11,480
practice, is that it's not a
matter of creating an army of a

936
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:17,400
religion of some sort.
It's more a matter of am I here

937
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:24,000
for becoming a billionaire?
And if I become a billionaire,

938
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:28,320
is that going to make me any
better, human being or not?

939
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,520
Am I going to be able to take it
with me into my next lifetime or

940
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,800
not?
You know, is there any rationale

941
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:43,240
for putting the energy there as
opposed to trying to understand

942
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:47,120
why it is we're on this planet
and what we can do to make it

943
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,840
better, make it a better place
to live for everybody, for the

944
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:55,880
entire planet, including the
animals and the plants and all

945
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:02,920
the other beings who are
miniature existences of

946
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,000
consciousness in their own forms
for their own reason.

947
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:14,200
And so it's really walking away
from stepping back from the ego

948
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:21,560
personality and it's trappings
of power, wealth, sex, control,

949
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:27,280
etcetera, fame, vanity.
Those things have very, very

950
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:32,200
little meaning and none of it
goes with you.

951
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,960
When you die, you're not taking
any of that with you.

952
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:41,760
So you might as well realize
that it's all transitory at that

953
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,720
point.
That's what the some of the

954
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:50,240
paths call Illusion or Maya,
where you know, it's not, it's

955
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,600
not real.
It's just like a video game that

956
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,240
we're living in.
And some people say, oh, we must

957
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:01,520
be living in a simulation now,
because this is all just like a

958
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,920
video game.
When you go out there, let's see

959
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,360
how many counters we can
acquire, how many enemies we can

960
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,880
kill, how much wealth we can
get, how much enjoyment we can

961
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:17,400
have, how many girlfriends or
boyfriends we can acquire in

962
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:17,960
our.
Lives.

963
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,240
I mean, that's all just
ridiculous stuff.

964
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,280
It has no relevance to anything
real.

965
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:29,320
Yeah, I was literally saying to
a friend of mine yesterday that,

966
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,520
you know, nothing really here is
real.

967
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:38,320
And it, it, we get bogged down
and caught up with all of the

968
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:43,520
materialism and consumerism and
status and how many followers

969
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,240
you have on social media, how
many likes and shares you got.

970
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,360
And it's like it, it really
doesn't mean anything in the

971
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,160
grand scheme of things, right.
And I like how you broke it

972
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,040
down.
So I'm definitely going to have

973
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,520
to check out more your your
integral yoke because like I

974
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,920
said, I was, I'm very, I was
very intrigued when I phoned

975
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,760
you.
And what I phoned on you is

976
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,920
like, I definitely want to talk
to to you to learn more for

977
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,600
myself as well.
So we can take a very, very

978
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,640
small break here and say, guys,
if you're finding value in this

979
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,240
conversation and it's helping
you see life through a different

980
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:24,400
lens, take a moment right now,
like, comment and share this

981
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,320
podcast.
Whether you're watching on

982
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,520
YouTube or Rumble or listening
on speaker or Spotify, this

983
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,760
message sends spreads only
through people like you.

984
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,840
So help us expand the conscious
revolution.

985
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,760
OK, so we can shift gears now
and we're going to talk a little

986
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,560
bit about the readings of Sri
Arbindo.

987
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:50,680
So what inspired you to write
the readings in in Sri Arbindo's

988
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,840
series and how has the public
responded?

989
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,920
As I mentioned, in 1971, I
started reading The Life Divine,

990
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,360
and that's Sri Aurobindo's major
metaphysical work.

991
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,520
You could say it's like 1000
pages.

992
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,640
And of course you start reading
that and you're into it.

993
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,640
So you read and read and read.
And then that wasn't enough.

994
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:20,760
So the bookstore that was nearby
in in Germany where I was living

995
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,120
was called Middle Earth.
And I had no money.

996
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,640
OK.
I was, you know, I was living in

997
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,720
an abandoned house without
money.

998
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:34,280
So I found the bookstore and
they had a whole series of

999
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,200
Shriya Ogundo's books.
And I thought I need to read

1000
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,680
these books.
So I would go there virtually

1001
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,720
every day and I would sit down
on a futon in the store and I

1002
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:50,160
would read and they sort of
adopted me and would feed me

1003
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:54,200
herb tea and, you know, just
sort of humor me because, I

1004
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,080
mean, who, who in their
bookstore ever sat there and

1005
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,720
read?
It was like an advertisement for

1006
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,520
people to read books.
OK, So I was sort of their human

1007
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,800
statue.
And I read these books.

1008
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,280
And then over the years, I read
them again.

1009
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,800
And I said, you know, I got so
much more out of it now than I

1010
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,600
did them.
And then I thought, this is all

1011
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,040
crazy.
I just read everything too fast.

1012
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:29,000
I'm missing so much.
So in 2009, I made a different

1013
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,400
decision and that was I was
going to read these books one

1014
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:40,040
page per day and not just read
the page, but reflect on it,

1015
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:43,800
internalize it and try to
communicate something of the

1016
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:50,200
essence of that page, which
started my blog, Shrioro Bindo

1017
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,680
Studies.
OK And I started with the Life

1018
01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:02,560
Divine and it was like 3 years
and I found things in there that

1019
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,160
I never would have found.
I mean everything.

1020
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,680
What is dream consciousness?
What are the different levels of

1021
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,320
ignorance?
What are the different types of

1022
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,760
now?
I mean it was insane how much I

1023
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,240
had missed with reading it for
years.

1024
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:23,200
And so the blog developed and
then about three years in I

1025
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:27,120
finished The Life Divine and I
suddenly woke up one day and

1026
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,600
said I run a publishing house,
let's publish these books.

1027
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:38,440
So I took the blog posts, turned
them into books and published

1028
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:42,440
the first 3 readings in Trior
Bindo Books on the Life Divine,

1029
01:18:42,440 --> 01:18:45,840
volumes 1-2 and three.
I then moved to the next book

1030
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,000
and started doing the same
thing.

1031
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:53,480
Went through all the major
works, and since 2009, one per

1032
01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:58,600
day, one page per day.
Basically, I take an excerpt

1033
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:04,480
from that page, a quotation.
I internalize it, I reflect on

1034
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:08,520
it, I comment on it, either with
something a little bit different

1035
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,040
that puts a new angle on it or
relates to the life we're living

1036
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,440
here.
And I put it out there and when

1037
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:21,720
I'm done with that day's post, I
move it into a Word document so

1038
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,400
that I have a sequential next
book already in preparation.

1039
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,360
And when it's done, I send it to
the publishing company and they

1040
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,560
publish it.
So I've now got 21 books and I'm

1041
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:37,200
working on the 22nd.
And I find it extremely useful

1042
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,600
to me.
I don't care really if it's

1043
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,640
useful to anybody else, but
other people have said it's

1044
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:49,920
useful to them and they read it
every day and it helps open up

1045
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,800
Sri Aurobindo to them, which as
you mentioned at the beginning,

1046
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,960
can be a little daunting,
somewhat dense for people who

1047
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,400
are not used to that intensity
of focus.

1048
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:07,040
What I found was that by reading
Sri Aurobindo quietly and

1049
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,920
consciously and trying to
understand a deeper sense of it,

1050
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:15,280
not fighting with it, but
reflecting on it.

1051
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,440
My understanding of things has
dramatically changed over the

1052
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,840
years, and I think that's
reflected in the type of

1053
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:29,400
conversation we're having today,
with some insights maybe and

1054
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,480
some directions that I wouldn't
have been able to express 20

1055
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:37,440
years ago.
So I find it valuable and I

1056
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,520
think other people are finding
it valuable.

1057
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,560
I don't really care about
numbers of people.

1058
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:48,080
I'd rather have one person who's
sincere get a value out of it

1059
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:53,120
then 10,000 people who just say,
oh it's great, you know it, you

1060
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,400
know what I mean?
It doesn't.

1061
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,440
It doesn't have any value if
they're not using it for their

1062
01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:03,360
growth.
That is impressive, where

1063
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,160
basically you read one page a
day and internalize it.

1064
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,320
And you know, it just goes to
show you because I remember when

1065
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,480
I was a university student and I
was doing research and you would

1066
01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:15,920
read swaths and swaths of
information.

1067
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:22,800
And I think at at least a good
98% of it would just pass

1068
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,640
through one ear and go through
the next.

1069
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:29,440
And it's only from reading and
rereading and rereading again

1070
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:33,080
that you start to say, ah, OK,
this is starting to make sense.

1071
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,440
Then you take out your highlight
and your highlight and stuff.

1072
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,480
And it sounds basically this is
what you've done to make it

1073
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:44,760
accessible to people.
And I guess 1000 pages will no

1074
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,320
wonder you could, you could get
several books, right?

1075
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,480
Because like, I mean, the only
book that I have read that is

1076
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:54,240
equivalent to that why I listen
to the audio book is life and

1077
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,040
teaching of the master, the
Faris.

1078
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,680
And that's a trilogy.
That book.

1079
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,760
I reckon it's probably about
1000 pages because the audio

1080
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:07,440
book is 24 hours.
And that is a lot of

1081
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:09,960
information.
And I would, I'm, I'm going to

1082
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:14,080
have to re listen to that now
listening, talking to you

1083
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:19,160
because that book was next level
and one of the most, like I

1084
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,320
would say, mind blowing books
I've ever, ever read.

1085
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:26,560
And I'm going to have to do like
what I was doing at university

1086
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:27,960
where I had to reread and
reread.

1087
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,040
So I'm going to have to re
listen and re listen because

1088
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:31,960
it's true.
You do miss a lot of

1089
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:36,560
information, you know.
So of all of the works you've

1090
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,920
explored, which text do you feel
contains the deepest key to

1091
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,960
humanity's next leap?
And where do you think it's

1092
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:50,280
often overlooked?
Well, I think the deepest I

1093
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,840
would have to say is the Life
Divine by Sri Aurobindo.

1094
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:59,040
And and that's because it's, it
starts out from the human

1095
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:03,680
aspiration, what it is that
humanity actually is seeking

1096
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:09,320
outside of all the external
enjoyments and accoutrements

1097
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:13,480
that we try to acquire.
But he says it's God, light,

1098
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:16,600
freedom, immortality are the
bases.

1099
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,560
And then he goes on to say that
all problems of existence are

1100
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,360
problems of harmony.
OK, We just haven't figured out

1101
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,960
how to understand the oneness
and the harmony of everything.

1102
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:34,040
And then he goes on to explain
in the next couple of chapters

1103
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:41,040
the different ways humanity has
tried to solve this, sort of in

1104
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,440
the extremes.
There's what he calls the

1105
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:48,440
materialist denial, which means
the materialist says it's all

1106
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:53,440
just here, we need to just
acquire and do and enjoy, and

1107
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,040
there's no other life.
There's no other purpose

1108
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,120
whatever.
In the extreme.

1109
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:02,160
I mean, there's middle grounds.
And then the other one is the

1110
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:07,760
acetic denial.
OK, where someone says that's

1111
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:11,560
all an illusion and I just have
to escape it all and become

1112
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:15,880
liberated.
And his response in the 4th

1113
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,840
chapter sets the tone of where
it's going.

1114
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,560
And it's called reality
omnipresent.

1115
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:30,280
And so the escape is not an
escape and the materialist

1116
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:35,520
illusion is not real.
They're both part of the greater

1117
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,080
oneness of consciousness.
And then he begins to explore

1118
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:41,840
the evolution of consciousness.
The.

1119
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,480
Type of ignorance that we live
under, the types of knowledge

1120
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,920
that we can explore and develop
and gets into.

1121
01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:55,240
I mean an ever expanding and
deepening understanding until he

1122
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,160
comes to.
The idea of the evolution of a

1123
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:05,200
Gnostic being, a being that
lives in this holistic

1124
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,960
consciousness and the
development of a collectivity of

1125
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:14,440
humanity, of Gnostic beings,
which he calls the divine life.

1126
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:20,600
And it's 1000 pages.
Everything is in there.

1127
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,360
And that's why I did it a page
at a time, because I found

1128
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,400
things that I never found just
reading it.

1129
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,680
And just reading it is not easy
for most people.

1130
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:36,360
I mean, you wind up needing a
grounding in Greek philosophy

1131
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:40,840
and Vedic studies and
Christianity and Buddhism.

1132
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:46,560
I mean, you gain these
understandings the more you read

1133
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,720
and reflect on it.
But it's not something that most

1134
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,040
people bring with them to that
book.

1135
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,000
It's something they gain if they
take a serious interest.

1136
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:03,360
The way you describe this book,
I am, I'm very surprised that

1137
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,840
more people never heard of Shree
or Bindu because I'll be honest,

1138
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,320
I have never heard of him before
prior to talking to you and

1139
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,480
doing the research on him and
you.

1140
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,160
And I'm wondering if it's
because he's from the East and

1141
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:23,240
because we're in the West, then
it is more of a disconnect.

1142
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:29,520
And maybe in the East, he's very
well known in that sort of level

1143
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,000
of mind and consciousness
because because they think

1144
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,560
differently from us for the most
part.

1145
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,400
So is that is, is that a fair
assessment?

1146
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,320
That is because we are
Westerners and he's from the

1147
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,080
East End.
That is literally no connection

1148
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,400
between us knowing about him and
stuff like that.

1149
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,560
I'm not sure that's actually
what's going on.

1150
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:54,280
You know, there are Nobel
laureates who have sighted him

1151
01:26:54,760 --> 01:27:01,520
with great positive reviews,
Harvard Nobel laureates, for

1152
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,720
instance, and others from
Europe.

1153
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,640
I think it's more that Sri
Rabindo never tried to create a

1154
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:16,200
movement, a religion or any kind
of proselytizing work.

1155
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:21,760
And so you basically have to
stumble across what he's doing

1156
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,600
in order to find it.
And that's sort of a self

1157
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:29,280
selection mechanism for people
who are reaching a stage where

1158
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:34,280
they can actually benefit from
it as opposed to just, you know,

1159
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:39,200
having that on their arms as a
shoulder patch that, you know,

1160
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,520
you know what I mean it, it has
nothing to do with that.

1161
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:48,520
It's really not quantity, but
it's when an individual reaches

1162
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,680
that point.
I mean, I was plucked out of

1163
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:55,000
college literally by being
poisoned and waking up to a

1164
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,280
realization that there was a
different purpose to life and

1165
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,920
shipped halfway across the world
in order to come in contact with

1166
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:08,280
Shrioro Bindo.
I mean, it's not like everyone's

1167
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,360
going to hear about him and he's
in everyone's tongues.

1168
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:17,000
It's not like that.
It's really people need to

1169
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,880
really be on a serious search
and then the right things get

1170
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,840
attracted to them or they get
attracted to it.

1171
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:31,440
Either way, there's this sort of
secret process that takes place.

1172
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:33,240
They call it the law of
attraction.

1173
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,720
And they've sort of
misinterpreted what that's all

1174
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,760
about.
But the law of attraction really

1175
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,280
does work.
When you are ready to hear

1176
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,920
something and you're sincere,
you'll hear it, and not until

1177
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,360
then.
And it may not influence your

1178
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:57,360
current mode or level of life or
your action, but it means that

1179
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:01,880
somehow you're moving into a new
evolutionary cycle in your own

1180
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,880
life.
And someday it'll be of use to

1181
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,000
you.
And you'll say, Oh yeah, that's

1182
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,760
that's really what I need to do
right now.

1183
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,600
I conquer 100% with what you
said because I'll be honest with

1184
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,800
you.
I the stuff that I talk about

1185
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,520
when I'm interviewed and also
when I'm interviewing people.

1186
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:27,040
I remember when I first started
the process and my flatmate in

1187
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,560
England, he said to me used to
call me Toddy.

1188
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,160
He said toddy man.
He says, what are you going to

1189
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:37,160
do with all this information?
I said mate, I right now I just

1190
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,120
tried to figure figure stuff out
and like right now I'm, I'm

1191
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,640
lost, I'm confused and I'm just
reading.

1192
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,720
I'm reading, I'm reading books
and listening to books like it

1193
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,560
was food and my life depended on
it.

1194
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:53,600
Never would I have guessed in a
million years that when I

1195
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:58,920
started that process 8 1/2 years
ago, I would have a show called

1196
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,960
the Conscious Man 7 podcast
talking about the things that I

1197
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,440
was learning.
And every book I found came to

1198
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:10,600
me either from listening to a
previous podcast or at the time

1199
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,480
when YouTube was still good and
the algorithm was unbroken.

1200
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,520
I would get recommendations for
books and I would just like

1201
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,320
listening to these audio books.
And I'd be wow, that's levels.

1202
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,040
And then another would appear.
And every time I was going

1203
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,520
through something in my life,
another book would appear or

1204
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,600
somebody would tell me about a
book or just pass me, but

1205
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,800
randomly.
It was insane.

1206
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:37,880
So I totally agree with you.
I don't know if subconsciously I

1207
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,520
was projecting to the universe
to attract these things or it

1208
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,840
was just my path, or it could be
a combination of both.

1209
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,680
But I completely agree with what
you said.

1210
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,280
Just know that when you're on a
particular path and you're

1211
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:57,280
searching, you end up finding
and you know you started when

1212
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,160
you were poisoned.
My journey started 20 years ago

1213
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,200
when they had an accident and I
brought my foot when I fell off

1214
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,560
my motorcycle.
So, you know, you never know how

1215
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:12,240
things are going to wear a coat
and you never know why things

1216
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,880
happen to at particular times.
And you got poisoned and got

1217
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,920
went, went to Europe.
I fell off my motorcycle.

1218
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,920
And then I had to have
reconstructed surgery on my foot

1219
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,800
8 1/2 years ago, which led me
down the path to eating books

1220
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:27,960
and consuming books like my life
depended on it.

1221
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:33,120
So let's transition and talk
about the Institute of Holistic

1222
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:37,480
for Holistic Education.
So what is the mission behind

1223
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:39,440
the Institute for Holistic
Education?

1224
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,200
We founded the institute with
the idea that it would help

1225
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,400
integrate spirituality into
daily life.

1226
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:55,720
And the idea here is that this
isn't, you know, a lot of

1227
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,960
people, when they practice
religion, they go to church or

1228
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:03,120
temple or synagogue or a mosque,
whatever it is they're doing.

1229
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,000
And they're there and they do
their prayers.

1230
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:11,000
And then when they walk away
from that, they become different

1231
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,800
people, OK?
It's like it's really hard to

1232
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:21,560
find Christ in a lot of
Christians outside of Sunday

1233
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,120
when they're in the church
listening to the sermon, you

1234
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:28,640
know, it's like that.
And so the idea of integrating

1235
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:34,000
spiritual spirituality into
daily life is that we carry it

1236
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:40,960
around with us all the time.
We don't just do it on Sundays

1237
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:45,360
or Saturdays or Fridays,
whatever your day is to do that.

1238
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,760
And we don't just do it during
times of prayer.

1239
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,240
You know, some people pray every
morning at 3:00 in the morning

1240
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,120
or six in the morning.
Some people pray five times a

1241
01:32:55,120 --> 01:33:01,000
day, whatever it is.
But what are they living when

1242
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:07,160
they leave that prayer behind
for the day or for the few

1243
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:11,040
hours, whatever it is?
What are they living when they

1244
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,800
walk out of the church or the
temple or the mosque?

1245
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,960
Are they actually living that
principle?

1246
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:24,480
Are they living that love each
other as brethren, which all the

1247
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:30,440
religions at some point say,
take care of the immigrant, feed

1248
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:35,320
the hungry, heal the sick?
These are these are core

1249
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,200
principles of how to care for
others.

1250
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:45,280
And I didn't see that happening
in most places.

1251
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:49,640
And this is a generalization.
It's not universal.

1252
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,480
I mean, there are definitely
people and groups and

1253
01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:58,520
organizations that really try to
do this, but we wanted to speak

1254
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:03,280
to people who are not affiliated
necessarily with a particular

1255
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:08,880
religion.
They can be, we don't care, but

1256
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,840
basically who want to explore
the development of

1257
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:18,440
consciousness, want to explore
how to turn your life into that

1258
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:26,960
and how to become that next
evolved level over time, whether

1259
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:31,400
in this life or the next.
A lot of what we do as the

1260
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:38,000
institute is actually the daily
blog and podcast that I do where

1261
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:42,760
we're exploring these concepts.
Like I think yesterday or the

1262
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:47,600
day before it was on how to deal
with anxiety and worry.

1263
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,160
OK.
There have been recent ones on

1264
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:56,240
dealing with depression.
There have been other ones

1265
01:34:56,240 --> 01:35:02,360
dealing with larger issues of
the human scale, not the

1266
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:09,160
individual scale, and so it's a
broad range of things that the

1267
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:15,720
institute tries to bring forward
and hope that people will find

1268
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,560
benefit in and reflect on.
OK.

1269
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:23,760
So can you describe a specific
transformation or impact story

1270
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,000
you've seen through the
Institute's work?

1271
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:31,520
Mostly I see it within myself
and my wife, actually.

1272
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:37,960
We are different people than we
were 15 or 20 or 30 years ago,

1273
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:43,000
dramatically different in the
way we see things, the way we

1274
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:47,600
relate to things, the way we try
to interface with people and

1275
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:52,720
deal with the world.
At the same time.

1276
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:59,080
We have some friends who we've
made here in Hawaii, and one of

1277
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:07,000
them is a PhD candidate and
teacher, and he comes here

1278
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,720
Friday evenings for a meditation
session.

1279
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:17,640
And he mentioned that he was
listening to the podcast on his

1280
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:21,920
way to the university here on a
regular basis.

1281
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:26,440
And it was like the day of the
podcast was exactly what he

1282
01:36:26,440 --> 01:36:29,800
needed to hear to deal with his
situations that day.

1283
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,880
It was like it was being written
for him.

1284
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:39,840
And so that's an outside example
where somebody outside felt

1285
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:44,200
like, yes, this is today's thing
that I need to hear and deal

1286
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:45,800
with.
And one of them, he said he

1287
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:50,840
played like dozens of times
because it was so relevant to

1288
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:55,080
his struggle at the moment
because he was really struggling

1289
01:36:55,080 --> 01:37:00,040
on certain things.
And so I don't know, you know,

1290
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:05,520
we don't have a lot of direct
relationship with people out

1291
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:09,320
there in the cyberspace.
We don't do advertising and we

1292
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:14,920
don't do a lot of interactions.
We get comments from people, but

1293
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:21,040
that's about it.
We get a lot of friend requests,

1294
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,640
people who have found it and
wanted to be part of it.

1295
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,440
That's great.
I don't know what they do with

1296
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:28,800
it.
I don't know how it's changed

1297
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:33,760
their lives, if at all.
So I I do it because it changes

1298
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:39,240
my life and that's all I can be
really responsible for.

1299
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,800
I'm not trying to change anybody
else's life.

1300
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,760
If it happens and they're doing
it themselves and this can help

1301
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:50,840
them, that's great.
If they have a different way to

1302
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,160
do that and it works for them,
that's also great.

1303
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,720
But I'm not here trying to count
save souls or anything like

1304
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,360
that.
It's I'll be happy if I can save

1305
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:07,640
my own soul.
You know, there's something that

1306
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:11,000
my mother said to me and she
said to me that you never know

1307
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:15,920
how you actually impact people's
lives because because I've been

1308
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,920
doing podcasting for a few years
and I have had messages from

1309
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:25,800
people in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran.
These are non-english speaking

1310
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,640
countries.
And they've said to me, Todd,

1311
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:32,480
like stuff you talked about that
you talk about has helped me

1312
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,080
tremendously.
You've made me look at things in

1313
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,720
a different way.
And funnily, they're all Muslim

1314
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:40,960
countries as well.
Not to think about it, but I

1315
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:44,440
digress.
And they said to me, Todd, I

1316
01:38:44,440 --> 01:38:48,320
just want to let you know that
you have, because of you have

1317
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:52,920
actually started to do XY and Z.
And a lot of them said, well, I

1318
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,320
started to realize that I need
to get the body moving, do

1319
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,200
physical exercise, read books,
look at the food that I eat and

1320
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:02,480
stuff like that.
And I've showed my mother some

1321
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:05,280
messages sometimes, as you said,
you see, son, This is why I keep

1322
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:08,680
telling you, even though you may
feel like you're not having an

1323
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:10,920
impact in the world, you
actually are.

1324
01:39:11,480 --> 01:39:15,240
People may just not necessarily
tell you, but all you need to do

1325
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,920
is keep showing up, keep
representing, keep doing the

1326
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,960
things that you know are right
and you should do.

1327
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:26,120
And the universe will just take
care of everything else.

1328
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,120
And you know, it just is, is
like the ripple effect.

1329
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:33,200
You throw the Pebble in the,
the, the water, the pond, you

1330
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:38,000
don't see how far it goes
because it would just be there,

1331
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,800
but the vibration, the energy
goes and then it goes to the

1332
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,520
bank and then comes back.
So you may not see a combat for

1333
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,800
years and years, but she said,
son, it will always come back.

1334
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:52,720
So keep doing what you're doing.
So I am certain from this

1335
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:56,280
conversation, things you've
spoken about that people's lives

1336
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:59,440
are definitely impacted.
And I'm sure that people

1337
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:05,000
listening to this in my audience
will look at things differently

1338
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,520
because you've made me see
things in a different way just

1339
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,760
from the.
The analogy you gave with the

1340
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:12,840
accident and the Super minor
stuff like that.

1341
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:17,800
So let's go to one level as and
because I want to know how does

1342
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:22,480
the institute implement 3 or
Windows principles in real world

1343
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:27,040
education or healing systems?
As I said, the main work is the

1344
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,520
blog and the podcast, which we
do every single day of the week.

1345
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:38,000
So it's seven days a week.
And by the way, the books that

1346
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:43,160
I've written are all available
free of charge as individual

1347
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:49,480
blog posts on the daily blog
organized by the book that we're

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analyzing in date order and in
sequential order.

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And people can search by any
subject.

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I mean, you want to look up
rebirth, or you want to look up

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hallucination, or you want to
look up consciousness.

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It'll show you all the
references out of several

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01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:12,640
thousand blog posts where it
shows up and it's all free.

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I mean, we don't charge anything
for that.

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And that's really the main work
that we do.

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We're not a charitable
organization in the sense of

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we're not out beating people and
we're not out healing the sick

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or doing any of that stuff.
We're trying to have an impact

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at the level of consciousness,
so.

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That.
Those who are in a position to

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feed people, those who are in a
position to heal, people are

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motivated and focused on doing
those things.

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So it's sort of a a meta level
of activity as opposed to on the

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ground doing it.
Now we do support projects like

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there's a project taking place
in South India called Oroville,

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which is a Township that's.
Being developed eventually to be

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a city of 50,000 people and
integrate people from many

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different cultures, languages,
backgrounds, religions,

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etcetera, to build a community
that's sustainable, that is a

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laboratory for new ways of doing
things.

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And we're very big supporters of
that project because we feel

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like it's an extremely valuable
way to explore what human beings

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can do when they come together.
Now, as with anything, you know,

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the mental and emotional and
vital disruptions come.

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01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:49,200
And it's not simple.
I mean, no one has solved the

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problems of human governance
yet, but they're trying.

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And that's the interesting
thing.

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They have things like dream
Weavers and heart weavers

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circles where they bring people
together to explore all the

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different angles of particular
things that are getting in their

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way and find solutions that
work.

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So they're not perfect, but it's
it's a great experiment.

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We support that.
And the other thing we do is I'm

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involved with some companies
that publish books that

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distribute natural products to
to the natural product stores

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around the country in the United
States.

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And we try to bring people
products that promote

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consciousness and that give them
different ways of looking at

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sustainability and making a
difference in terms of how we

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deal with the environment, how
we deal with each other.

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Very interesting because we're
going to talk a little bit more

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about the project in South
India, but let's transition to

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modern day challenges.
So in what ways can the

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evolution of consciousness
directly address materialism,

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consumerism, and identity laws
in modern society?

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01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:15,720
It's a good question.
The consumerism and materialism

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side of things is actually the
easier part in as much as once

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you begin to undertake what
Trior Robindo calls the

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adventure of consciousness and
joy, where you're really focused

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on that and you become
captivated by that adventure.

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All these outer material things
take on a much smaller

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importance in your life.
And another example for you,

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when you're a little child and
you're playing with your toys

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01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:57,400
and your dolls and your toy cars
and your various games, when you

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01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:01,400
get to a next stage of your
growth and development, they

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suddenly fall off from you and
you're involved with something

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else.
You're involved with

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01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:08,880
relationship, you're involved
with hobbies, you're involved

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with interests.
And then when you get through

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that stage, then suddenly you
may be starting a family and

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you're involved with raising
children and building

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relationships and, and having a
career of some sort.

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At each stage, the prior stuff,
your material stuff has fallen

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away from you and you don't miss
it because you've focused your

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attention elsewhere.
And so when you take up this

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adventure of consciousness, you
suddenly become less enamored of

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and less concerned about
material well-being, or let's

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say, not well-being because you
should have well-being.

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But material consumerism that is
just there for exploitation of

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resources or vanity or pride or
for some feeling of that's who I

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am as opposed to who you really
are inside.

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Because that's why people
collect things.

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You know, someone's got 20 Rolls
Royces in their garage.

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It's not because they feel
satisfied with who they are and

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themselves they.
Feel like they have to make a

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01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:24,200
show of who they are by having
all this collection of material

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01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:27,680
goods.
OK, you have a gold toilet.

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01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:31,760
Well, OK, but that means you
have very little self worth

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internally.
You see what I mean?

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And so as you take up this
adventure, those things fall off

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automatically.
Now you come to the loss of self

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worth that you spoke up, and
that's a little more complex.

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And the reason it's a little
more complex is that people are

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so tied up in the education and
training and expectations of

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their friends, their family,
their society, their culture,

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01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:06,400
their religion, their political
philosophy, that they don't know

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01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:10,120
how to have a self worth.
They're told that their self

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worth comes from being this
particular profession or doing

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01:47:15,480 --> 01:47:18,920
this particular thing or having
this particular relationship.

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They don't have a self worth.
To get a self worth, you have to

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be able to walk away internally,
separate yourself from those

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01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:36,560
things and say I am not the
career, I'm not the engineer,

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01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:38,920
I'm not the politician, I'm not
the.

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01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:44,240
Person working in the restaurant
I am.

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A conscious being and myself
worth comes from that

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01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:53,480
consciousness.
And I'm not a particular race,

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01:47:53,480 --> 01:47:58,760
I'm not a particular gender, I'm
not a particular career, I'm not

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a particular religious acolyte.
I'm someone who is a living

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being with a unique conscious
expression.

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01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:16,200
And that begins to develop as
they grow internally and they

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realize how illusory all those
other things can be.

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01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:27,120
I completely agree with that
because as I started this

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01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:33,960
journey, the things like
consumerism and material stuff

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01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,120
became less and less important
to me.

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01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,920
Well, one of the reasons because
they were all taken away from me

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01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:44,200
in the process, because no one
goes through, as I call it, the

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01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:47,720
refinement period without having
massive losses.

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01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:54,720
When you've had massive losses
it, it really forces you to, to,

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01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:58,520
to analyse if those things are
important or not.

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And from the removal of those
things, you start to realise

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they're very illusory, as you
said.

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And then for me now, obviously I
still like good clothes and good

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01:49:09,480 --> 01:49:13,880
shoes and stuff, but I, I don't
like, I am not like how I used

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to be where I would want to go
and get that thing and get that

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01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,720
thing.
As long as I'm well shaved, I'm

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01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:24,800
in great shape, clothes fit me
nice and the colours match, I'm

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01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:29,280
good to go for the worst part.
So let's build a little bit on

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what you were talking about and
how can spiritual development

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01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,920
become a viable alternative to
escapism?

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01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:40,160
So like drugs, social media and
work workaholism.

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01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:47,360
I think that's again, a matter
of the natural interest growing,

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not out of any sense of
obligation, but out of a sense

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01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:58,720
of joyful interest.
You know, there are people out

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01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:06,720
there who they love running, OK?
And they just go out and run and

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01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,040
they get this, what they call
runner's high.

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And some of them, you know, go
out there and they run in races

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01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:15,880
and they do really well in
races.

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And then pretty soon people are
telling them, oh, well, you

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01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,880
should compete and you should do
this and you should do that.

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01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:25,760
And then it turns into really a
drag for them.

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01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:27,600
Some of them really suffer under
that.

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01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:31,800
They pushed themselves way
beyond their level of interest

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01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:36,200
and and things start to break
down and they suffer mentally.

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We had an an instance in the
Olympic Games a few years ago

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01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:46,280
where one of the top gymnasts
didn't compete in some of the

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01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:53,600
final events because she said
that I lost my mental balance to

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01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,480
be able to do this and I was
just going to injure myself.

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01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:02,200
And that took a lot of courage
because she walked away at that

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01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:10,440
moment from the top position in
the world of gymnastics and said

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my mental framework is more
important than this achievement.

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01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:22,280
And then a few years later, she
came back with a whole new

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01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,960
energy and attitude.
And of course, she became

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01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:29,120
predominant in her field again
because she was always a great

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01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:33,520
gymnast.
But we see this happening that

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01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,920
as as long as you're doing it
out of joy and out of natural

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01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:42,200
inclination, it will change your
life.

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01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:49,120
The minute you turn it into an
obligation or a discipline that

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01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:56,560
you're doing out of some fear or
sense of duty or into some form

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01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:02,760
of materialistic approach where
you're going to get some outer

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benefit out of it, you've lost a
lot of that spark and it doesn't

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01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:13,200
help you as much.
So I usually tell people who

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01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:19,400
ask, I can't speak for your
life, but my life, I love

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01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:22,920
getting up in the morning.
I get up at 3:00 in the morning

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01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:28,080
and I come down and I work on my
blog post and my podcast and

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01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:34,120
then I take up whatever my
business career is and I enjoy

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01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:36,200
my life.
Every bit of it.

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01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:40,400
And I don't drive around in
Porsches and Mercedes.

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01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:43,280
They have no relevance to me at.
All.

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01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:52,760
I just don't care about that.
And what I do care about is, am

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01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:56,480
I becoming a better human being
today than I was yesterday?

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01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:58,440
Am I learning?
Am I growing?

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01:52:58,440 --> 01:53:01,760
Am am I experiencing something
new?

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01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:07,960
I observe my dreams, I observe
my relationships, I observe what

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01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:11,960
I do.
And if it's not going to bring

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01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:16,840
joy, if it's not going to bring
conscious growth, I try to find

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01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:22,400
a way out of it.
You know, I completely agree

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01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:28,960
because, like I I am a fitness
coach and I also do the podcast

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01:53:29,480 --> 01:53:34,280
and I absolutely love doing both
of them to the point where I get

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01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:37,080
to a stage sometimes because I
work so much that I have to

1520
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:41,520
remind myself I need to go to
sleep because I have done

1521
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:44,960
literal all nighters.
Sometimes I end up going to bed

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01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:49,560
at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning
and I just what would happen to

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01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,000
his body would shut down at that
level.

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01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:55,440
But because I like it so much is
like a like that that runners.

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01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:58,720
How you talking about?
Like when I got it this morning,

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01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:02,600
I was like, OK, great, I'm going
to do weighted muscle UPS this

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01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:05,920
morning and then I'm going to do
some finalize these questions to

1528
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:10,560
talk to you today.
And I was like proper excited.

1529
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:15,480
I I didn't have that like I need
to talk to Santosh today.

1530
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:20,080
It was like, Nah, mate, I got up
345, meditated, went to the gym.

1531
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:23,360
I was on time, left on time was
like, boom, let's go have

1532
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,960
breakfast and then work on
finalizing these questions to

1533
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:30,880
talk to you and me.
I just love what I do to the

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01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,720
point where like, like I said, I
have to remind myself, OK, Todd,

1535
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:36,880
it's getting a little bit late.
We need to go to sleep because

1536
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,160
we have to do the other stuff
tomorrow, you know?

1537
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:45,200
So what are the practical daily
steps someone can take to align

1538
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:48,320
with this consciousness shift
that you were talking about?

1539
01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:56,680
I would say the first thing is
to get in touch with the inner

1540
01:54:56,680 --> 01:55:00,400
aspiration.
What is it that you really feel

1541
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:04,800
important in your life?
Aspiration Is that flame in your

1542
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:07,400
heart?
What is it that really gives you

1543
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:11,560
joy?
What is it that if you didn't

1544
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:16,760
have to go to work at some job
somewhere, if you didn't have to

1545
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:20,760
do this thing or that thing,
what is it that really sparks

1546
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:24,480
you?
And try to understand why it

1547
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:26,640
sparks you and how it sparks
you.

1548
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:33,080
And then try to incorporate that
into what you do during the day,

1549
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,280
even if it's only for a very
short time.

1550
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:41,240
And that is the first step and
all the rest of the steps follow

1551
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,800
from that.
You know, when we started, you'd

1552
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:47,760
ask, well, what, what are, you
know, how does integral yoga

1553
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,440
different than any other?
And I said, well, it's, it

1554
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:54,240
doesn't have a fixed path.
And that's what I'm saying here.

1555
01:55:54,240 --> 01:56:00,360
Now, every individual has their
own path and it starts with who

1556
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:03,520
you are.
And what is that flame in your

1557
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:08,600
heart that's going to drive you
to do something, to learn

1558
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:13,480
something, to grow in some way
in your life, to be better in

1559
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:17,640
what you do, what you think,
what you feel, what you express,

1560
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,640
how you relate.
And as you do that, it doesn't

1561
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:23,920
need a label.
It doesn't need to be called

1562
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,040
integral yoga.
It doesn't need to be called

1563
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:30,280
spirituality.
That itself is the path.

1564
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:35,800
And as far as I can tell, that's
the most advice anyone can give

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01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:42,080
anyone else.
Great advice because in my case,

1566
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:45,360
this is what I, I say this now
openly.

1567
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:48,880
I found my purpose in life.
My purpose in life is to get

1568
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:53,400
people in shape and to do this
podcast to help with the

1569
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:54,960
evolution of human
consciousness.

1570
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,560
And I used to be a civil
engineer.

1571
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:01,520
I used to I the last, I, the
last major project I worked on

1572
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:05,480
in London was for the Crossrail
project worth ��16 billion.

1573
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,400
Great job and I loved it.
I never saw myself doing

1574
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:14,160
anything else but engineering.
And while I did love it, no, on

1575
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:16,960
reflection, it wasn't my actual
passion.

1576
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:20,320
It I used to get up and like I
said, I used to love going and

1577
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:23,600
billing stuff when we have
massive concrete pours and stuff

1578
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:28,600
like that.
But now I get up with this like

1579
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:36,040
Joy, like I am going to do a
podcast today and I never feel

1580
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:39,920
like it's a drag.
Even when I'm going back and

1581
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:43,680
forth with my editor to, to, to
finalize the production.

1582
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:47,120
It is like, it's just like, I
just want to get it right.

1583
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:48,840
You know, like tweet this, tweet
that.

1584
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:52,000
So it does.
Yeah, it is work, but it doesn't

1585
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:55,000
feel like work for me, you know,
to the point where my mom says

1586
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:58,920
like Todd, remember, you need to
rest, right?

1587
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:01,680
She says, I know you like what
you're doing, but Please

1588
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:04,480
remember to rest right, because
you train really hard.

1589
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:10,080
So I'm like, OK, OK, my OK boy.
So it'll be, I do agree The key

1590
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:15,360
right now I I've realizing in
our evolution right now is to

1591
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:18,520
find your purpose in life.
And when you find your purpose

1592
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:23,360
or as a Japanese from philosophy
called the Ikigai, you find that

1593
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:25,640
it is a game changer in your
life.

1594
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:30,480
You know?
So how can communities or

1595
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:34,480
spiritual collectives accelerate
this evolution, and how?

1596
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:42,920
A spiritual collectivity is no
greater at its essence than the

1597
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:47,040
collection of individuals and
their spiritual focus.

1598
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:49,680
There.
They may not all be doing the

1599
01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:55,400
same thing in the same way, but
if they have an affinity and

1600
01:58:55,400 --> 01:59:02,880
they join forces, they create a
dynamic that supports each

1601
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:07,840
other's growth.
And so it can become the, the

1602
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:10,720
sum becomes greater than the
parts, as they say.

1603
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:15,400
And to the extent that such
communities rise up around the

1604
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:19,520
world and begin to create
affinities with one another, the

1605
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:23,200
sum of those communities is
greater than the whole and it

1606
01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:26,600
has a greater impact.
And, and I'll, I'll give you an

1607
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:31,560
example here.
Some years ago there was a

1608
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:36,880
organization called TM
Transcendental Meditation and

1609
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:42,720
they decided that they would
train a lot of meditators and

1610
01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:47,360
the meditators would go to would
collect as a big group and go to

1611
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:51,640
a particular city or country and
practice meditation there for a

1612
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:55,080
while and see if they could
lower the average crime.

1613
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:59,000
Rate in that community and they
actually showed some interesting

1614
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:02,520
results from that.
It was, you know a few 100 or a

1615
02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:06,960
few 1000 people doing this, but
without telling anybody.

1616
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:10,640
The crime rate actually did go
down in some of these places.

1617
02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:15,000
I mean, it was.
Very clearly now, it wasn't a

1618
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,520
double-blind one of those
studies that.

1619
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:19,360
The.
Scientists are going to say is

1620
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:23,520
great, but they did enough of
these with enough corresponding

1621
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,720
statistical results that you
could say, well, there's

1622
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:31,880
something there probably.
OK, being a scientists, you

1623
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:34,240
know, you're going to say, well,
who knows?

1624
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:38,080
You know?
But when you understand how

1625
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:41,800
consciousness works, and then
you see these consistent results

1626
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:46,160
across a pattern of different
places and times and cities and

1627
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:52,040
the statistical analysis that's
done by third parties, by

1628
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:55,120
governments.
You say, well, OK, maybe there's

1629
02:00:55,120 --> 02:01:00,840
something there.
So spiritual communities, people

1630
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:08,080
working together, pulling
together and pushing a movement

1631
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:14,280
of consciousness forward within
themselves and thereby creating

1632
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:18,240
an atmosphere in their
community, whether it's a small

1633
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:21,360
community or not, can be a
tremendous value.

1634
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:29,480
And for how humanity evolves and
the crises we're facing, I

1635
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:32,840
support more and more of these
type of communities coming up

1636
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:37,040
and whether they're physically
contiguous to one another, where

1637
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:40,920
the people are living together,
or whether they form communities

1638
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:43,840
across the world.
As I spoke about earlier about

1639
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:48,360
just people with a similar
affinity, That vibration of

1640
02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:52,000
consciousness is rotating
through the world and having its

1641
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:55,400
impact, like what you might call
the 100th monkey thing.

1642
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,200
When I always ask people, I
said, whether you believe in the

1643
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:01,120
100th monkey thing or not, we
know that vibrations are

1644
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:03,800
communicable, just like diseases
are communicable.

1645
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:08,840
And who knows where the tipping
point of humanity is, where

1646
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:12,760
enough people are doing this
throughout the world, under

1647
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:16,440
whatever name or guise or path
or whatever they want to call

1648
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:19,600
it.
To create that phenomenon where

1649
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:25,560
all of humanity suddenly can see
it differently and do something

1650
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:29,000
differently without anyone
proselytizing, teaching or

1651
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:34,240
converting them.
Yes, You know, that is similar

1652
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:37,680
to instead of looking at our
differences, look at our

1653
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:41,160
similarities.
And that allows us to work

1654
02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:44,560
together.
Because I find that today in our

1655
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:47,280
society, there's a lot of
polarization.

1656
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:53,600
And because of the systems like
government, religion, gender,

1657
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:58,680
XYZ, you name it, we don't
actually realize that we have a

1658
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:02,320
common enemy and the enemy is
the system and the system is

1659
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:06,040
rigged against us.
So instead of we're like, I

1660
02:03:06,040 --> 02:03:11,440
guess, going to to to task of
each other, or you're a Jew, I'm

1661
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:14,480
a Christian now you're a Muslim,
XYZ black, white, Indian,

1662
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:16,760
Chinese.
Let's just come together and

1663
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:19,280
realize, well, we're all being
oppressed here.

1664
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:22,320
Can we not just come together
and say we're together and

1665
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:25,640
create independent systems so we
can be self-sufficient, right.

1666
02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:28,560
So what you're talking about is
exactly what I talk about where

1667
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:32,440
you don't have to agree with
everything someone says, but the

1668
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:35,560
things that you do agree with
you level upon those, right.

1669
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:40,760
But I do agree is definitely a
consciousness shift that needs

1670
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:45,320
to occur so that you can
actually instead of looking at

1671
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:49,560
the spec in your brother's eye,
you look at the log in yours 1st

1672
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:52,080
and then realise that he is you
and you or him.

1673
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:54,920
And you say you know what mate?
Well, I don't agree with you on

1674
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:58,080
that, but I agree on this.
So let's work on that and let's

1675
02:03:58,640 --> 02:04:00,800
create a better world and a
better system and a better

1676
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:04,280
society.
So let's talk a little bit about

1677
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:06,280
how you see the future of
humanity.

1678
02:04:06,440 --> 02:04:10,440
So what is your vision for
humanity's future as

1679
02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:14,040
consciousness continues to
evolve, individually and

1680
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:20,360
collective and collectively?
I guess from my viewpoint, the

1681
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:26,080
evolutionary process towards
what we might call the Gnostic

1682
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:29,440
being and Gnostic communities,
which we spoke about earlier,

1683
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:38,080
it's a multi 100 year process.
And that's not a long time only

1684
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:43,080
because if you look at how long
nature takes to evolve the next

1685
02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:47,320
level of consciousness from
matter to life and from life to

1686
02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:51,800
mind, and now from mind to super
mind, while each stage comes

1687
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:57,280
faster than the one before it,
you're talking millions of years

1688
02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:02,720
for the first stages and
hundreds of thousands of years

1689
02:05:02,720 --> 02:05:06,080
for some of the later stages to
get to a next level.

1690
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:11,800
The fact that we're now talking
about maybe 3 or 400 years for

1691
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:18,040
this to spread widely and really
take hold of humanity is not a

1692
02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:21,800
long time in any individual
human life.

1693
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:26,600
It's like, Oh my God, it's never
going to happen in my lifetime.

1694
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:33,960
But there are interim steps, and
there are appearances and

1695
02:05:34,280 --> 02:05:39,800
outcroppings of these new ways
of seeing things that occur all

1696
02:05:39,800 --> 02:05:43,920
along the way.
It's just that the tipping point

1697
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:48,880
for humanity is still way out in
the future, where we don't need

1698
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:54,560
to have all this fighting and
competition and arguing and

1699
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,840
power struggles.
That's going to take a while

1700
02:06:00,040 --> 02:06:02,880
because you've got an embedded
structure there and anyone who

1701
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:05,680
tells you that.
Magically, it's all going to

1702
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:10,840
change in five or ten years.
It's probably delusional, OK?

1703
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:14,320
It isn't going to.
Happen, but we can work towards

1704
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:19,320
it and we'll see signs of it and
people with like affinities who

1705
02:06:19,320 --> 02:06:24,280
are evolving in that direction
can find support with one

1706
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:28,840
another as it happens.
So really the question is, how

1707
02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:34,760
do we, does humanity survive
that transitional period with

1708
02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:39,720
all the crises we're facing?
And that becomes the Seminole

1709
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:43,280
question.
And some people are optimists

1710
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:47,000
and some are pessimists.
I'm on the optimistic side.

1711
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:52,600
I think that no challenge is put
in front of us that isn't

1712
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:57,920
intended to have a solution.
And that's because I think that

1713
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:03,240
the universe, as it's evolving,
as it's evolving with and

1714
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:06,920
through us and through our
planet, isn't here simply to

1715
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:09,840
bring a dead end of total
destruction on things.

1716
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:15,320
And it may not be in.
Our lifetime.

1717
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:20,320
It may be that humanity gets
itself blown up and there has to

1718
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:25,280
come a new cycle of
civilization, but I'm hopeful

1719
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:30,560
that we see signs that a new
consciousness is starting to

1720
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:33,080
emerge.
We see people concerned about

1721
02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:36,280
the environment.
We have see people concerned

1722
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:41,360
about developing consciousness.
We see people taking up the the

1723
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:47,000
gender disputes, the racial
disputes, the power structures

1724
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:51,040
that have unequally brought.
A.

1725
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:55,400
Lot of the resources of the
planet into a few what I would

1726
02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:58,960
call greedy hands.
Rather than sharing it among

1727
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:02,160
humanity.
But we have people working on

1728
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:04,320
this, we have people talking
about it.

1729
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:10,560
You see people talking about
Ubuntu, which is from Africa,

1730
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:14,240
the idea that we all succeed or
fail together.

1731
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:20,400
And they actually did an
experiment once where they told

1732
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:24,280
some young children in Africa,
well, whoever gets there first

1733
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:28,360
gets all the fruits or the
chocolate, whatever it was, that

1734
02:08:28,360 --> 02:08:33,640
was the the gift there.
And the none of the children

1735
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:35,920
started running.
They all held hands and went

1736
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:40,560
together.
And to me, that was extremely

1737
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:44,200
illuminating because it
represents an advance of

1738
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:49,320
consciousness that the West has
never understood, but that

1739
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:53,680
people in the West are starting
to look at, which is something

1740
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:55,880
totally new.
The West has always taken the

1741
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:59,040
position that we know better
than everybody else and they're

1742
02:08:59,040 --> 02:09:01,520
going to do what we want to do
because we've got better

1743
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:04,440
weaponry and we've got better
control of resources.

1744
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:08,800
That's all illusion.
And when you look at something

1745
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:12,880
like the First Nations people
who say we should be thinking of

1746
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:24,280
how we treat our heirs down to 7
generations into the future, and

1747
02:09:24,280 --> 02:09:29,040
you look at Ubuntu, where we all
do this together and we all

1748
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:32,840
succeed together, We all share
the fruits together.

1749
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:37,800
These are stages of
consciousness that have already

1750
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:39,960
developed in different parts of
the world.

1751
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:45,240
And the West is finally starting
to look at these things and say

1752
02:09:45,240 --> 02:09:49,880
maybe there's a way to survive
with some of these practices.

1753
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:54,560
And that's what gives me hope
that we're going to survive to

1754
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:58,560
the next evolutionary stage 3 or
400 years from now.

1755
02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:03,480
Yes, you know, I, I am, I'm an
optimist as well.

1756
02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:05,800
I've got a mate who is a bit of
a black pill.

1757
02:10:05,800 --> 02:10:10,400
He thinks we're all doomed.
And he's he's more focused that

1758
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:13,520
we need to wake people up.
But I keep telling him that we

1759
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:16,440
need to wake ourselves up first.
I mean like individually,

1760
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:21,320
because then you wake yourself
up and you become the light, you

1761
02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:25,200
become very attractive.
So the morph always runs to the

1762
02:10:25,200 --> 02:10:27,880
light or surrounds itself to the
light.

1763
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:31,160
So when you become the light of
the world, you actually touch,

1764
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:33,800
move and inspire people to
actually do the same thing that

1765
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:36,280
you were doing.
So there's why I say to him, I'm

1766
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:40,400
a lot more optimistic because
the things that I can control is

1767
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:45,560
my own development.
And when I focus on that, then I

1768
02:10:45,560 --> 02:10:48,640
know that I will attract people
in my life and the opportunities

1769
02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:53,600
that I want because I am at that
frequency of vibration, because

1770
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:57,920
the law of attraction is real.
But he is more because he's a

1771
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:02,080
scientist, he tends to more look
at the hard data and saying,

1772
02:11:02,080 --> 02:11:03,880
well, the numbers are just not
on our side.

1773
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:09,240
So we're all doomed, you know?
So in your experience, what's

1774
02:11:09,240 --> 02:11:13,400
the biggest resistance people
have to this inner work and how

1775
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:19,440
can they overcome it?
Well, first let me address that

1776
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:27,880
point about the numbers aren't
with us because the mental

1777
02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:32,520
rearranging of life on the
planet didn't occur because

1778
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:36,880
everybody did that.
It occurred because a very small

1779
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:41,240
number of people had a new way
of looking at and dealing with

1780
02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:44,320
things, rightly or wrongly.
It was just that was the stage

1781
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:48,040
of evolution.
It didn't take large numbers of

1782
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:52,560
people, it took people who had
evolved to that next mental

1783
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:54,800
level to be able to implement
that.

1784
02:11:55,120 --> 02:11:59,880
Not everybody is an engineer.
Some people have to just move

1785
02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:04,920
the cement, OK?
And you don't need a large

1786
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:10,560
number of engineers to organize
a project that moves a lot of

1787
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:16,320
cement.
OK, so it's not numbers, it's

1788
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:22,640
consciousness.
As more evolutionary development

1789
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:26,440
takes place, each level of
consciousness has not only more

1790
02:12:26,440 --> 02:12:29,200
knowledge, but also more power.
Of.

1791
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:33,280
Action, more power of influence.
As you're talking about.

1792
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:37,000
You become the light of the
world and people are attracted.

1793
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:42,480
You say that's true.
And I really do understand and

1794
02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:46,960
appreciate that, that as I grow,
as you grow, as someone else

1795
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:53,160
grows, we start to vibrate at a
certain level and even secretly

1796
02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:57,360
it starts to.
Change how the world responds

1797
02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:00,920
because we are part of that
world and we help.

1798
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:03,960
Create the collective.
Vibration of the world.

1799
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:10,160
And so it's not about large
numbers of people, it's about

1800
02:13:11,640 --> 02:13:16,120
the right people doing what they
can do within their lives and

1801
02:13:16,360 --> 02:13:27,080
radiating that out in a joyful,
sincere, non judgmental way.

1802
02:13:28,240 --> 02:13:33,120
So it's not a matter of changing
someone else's opinion.

1803
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:35,440
We don't have to change
anybody's opinion.

1804
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:39,800
If they're immersed in
materialism, they're not going

1805
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:42,840
to change because you come and
tell them, oh, materialism's

1806
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:47,280
bad, it's not going to work.
They're going to say, well, I

1807
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:50,840
want that fast car.
I that that's what I want to do.

1808
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:55,760
OK, well, that's fine.
You can't change people from who

1809
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:58,280
they are.
They have to grow out of the

1810
02:13:58,280 --> 02:14:03,440
toys into the next level and the
examples of people who are

1811
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:09,800
living that next level, who are
satisfactorily living it and who

1812
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:15,080
are happy and joyful and have
good lives and try to really be

1813
02:14:15,080 --> 02:14:20,000
positive people in the world.
Eventually when they hit that

1814
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:23,920
roadblock in their lives and
they say, you know, maybe I'm

1815
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:28,880
not as fulfilled as I would like
to be, Maybe there's more to my

1816
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,880
life.
Maybe this midlife crisis means

1817
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:35,240
that I need to do something
different.

1818
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:39,000
I have to get away from the rat
race, as they call it.

1819
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:43,080
Maybe at that point they'll just
remember well, I met these

1820
02:14:43,080 --> 02:14:48,200
people and they were really so
upbeat and positive about their

1821
02:14:48,200 --> 02:14:50,800
own lives, and they weren't
messing with my head.

1822
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:52,680
They were just being who they
are.

1823
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:56,600
And maybe that has some
influence on them.

1824
02:14:57,240 --> 02:15:00,280
Who knows?
But I don't think that we can

1825
02:15:00,280 --> 02:15:06,320
change people's opinions now.
You know, I was a vegetarian

1826
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:09,040
from, I don't know, I was a
teenager.

1827
02:15:10,040 --> 02:15:13,560
I became a vegetarian when I
moved out of my parents house.

1828
02:15:16,200 --> 02:15:21,880
And then I was sort of what you
would call a Hindu vegetarian

1829
02:15:21,880 --> 02:15:27,240
means dairy was part of it, you
know, cheese and milk and yogurt

1830
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:30,680
and things like that.
And then about 5 or 6 years ago,

1831
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:36,880
I don't know exactly why, my
wife and I just decided we're

1832
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:40,000
almost vegan, let's just be
vegan.

1833
02:15:41,160 --> 02:15:44,640
And so we gave up dairy and we
became vegan.

1834
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:48,520
No one pushed us to it, no one
argued with us.

1835
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:54,680
It was just something we evolved
into, and later we realized that

1836
02:15:55,080 --> 02:15:59,280
we became conscious of the
suffering of the animals in the

1837
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:03,440
dairy industry and all of the
negative health impacts of

1838
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:07,440
dairy.
And it was like those things

1839
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:12,120
just suddenly woke up in us and
we said, OK, we're vegans now.

1840
02:16:12,120 --> 02:16:14,440
I don't go out and tell anybody
what to eat.

1841
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:17,680
OK?
They want to eat meat or they

1842
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:20,920
want to eat dairy.
As long as they don't force it

1843
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:24,840
on me, I'm happy that they're
doing what they're called to do

1844
02:16:24,840 --> 02:16:29,880
right now.
But someday they may wake up and

1845
02:16:29,880 --> 02:16:33,440
say I want to be a vegetarian,
and another day they may wake up

1846
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:37,719
and say I want to be a vegan for
their own internal reasons.

1847
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:40,280
And when they're ready, then
they'll do it.

1848
02:16:40,280 --> 02:16:44,280
And they'll do it with joy and
they'll do it with conscious

1849
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:47,200
awareness.
And that's more important than

1850
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:51,400
telling somebody this is your
discipline and you need to do

1851
02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:53,600
it.
Because that's always

1852
02:16:53,600 --> 02:16:56,240
transitory.
And I've met a lot of people who

1853
02:16:56,240 --> 02:17:00,160
said, well, I was vegan for five
years and then I couldn't deal

1854
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:04,160
with that.
It's like, OK, whatever, you

1855
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:07,719
know?
So it's evolutionary, not

1856
02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:11,360
disciplinary.
In your experience, what's the

1857
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:15,959
biggest resistance people have
to doing this inner work and how

1858
02:17:15,959 --> 02:17:19,320
can they overcome it?
I think the biggest resistance

1859
02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:25,400
is their fear of giving up what
is known and secure to them and

1860
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:28,160
that their peers and their
friends circle and their

1861
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:32,120
education and background and
training have told them they

1862
02:17:32,120 --> 02:17:36,559
should do.
The question of what I should do

1863
02:17:37,520 --> 02:17:43,559
to fit in to my circle is the
biggest obstacle.

1864
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:49,040
Once you stop worrying about
what you should do, and you

1865
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:56,200
start reflecting on what
inwardly is your inner

1866
02:17:56,200 --> 02:18:01,240
aspiration or spark, the change
can come very quickly.

1867
02:18:01,240 --> 02:18:06,639
But until that point, you know,
it's like your parents tell you,

1868
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:09,840
oh, you should get a career.
And someone else tells you, oh,

1869
02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:12,120
you should do this and you
should do that.

1870
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:15,440
And your society tells you you
need to fit in and you need a

1871
02:18:15,440 --> 02:18:17,600
job and you need this and you
need that.

1872
02:18:19,879 --> 02:18:22,840
It's very hard.
People become really fearful

1873
02:18:22,840 --> 02:18:25,160
about breaking away from that
and changing.

1874
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:35,600
And so at some point, the need,
the inner need has to exceed the

1875
02:18:35,600 --> 02:18:39,120
inner fear.
And when you reach that tipping

1876
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:45,320
point, then you say, I just have
to do this, and you make that

1877
02:18:45,320 --> 02:18:50,600
change.
OK, so it basically it's, it's

1878
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:55,600
really the inner calling.
And I, I've realized that most

1879
02:18:55,600 --> 02:19:00,320
people, including myself, we, we
ignore the inner calling because

1880
02:19:00,320 --> 02:19:02,320
of all the programming that we
receive.

1881
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:05,200
So yeah, I totally agree with
what you were saying.

1882
02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:10,040
So if you had one message to
offer the world before a major

1883
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:12,680
global awakening, what would it
be?

1884
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:22,080
Be real and be real to yourself.
Don't worry so much about what

1885
02:19:22,440 --> 02:19:25,040
others expect.
Be who you are.

1886
02:19:26,760 --> 02:19:31,559
You know, there are many people
who, you know, have a situation

1887
02:19:31,559 --> 02:19:37,480
where they're called to the arts
and their parents are saying, Oh

1888
02:19:37,480 --> 02:19:39,320
my God, there's no career in
that.

1889
02:19:39,360 --> 02:19:43,160
You know, you can't do that.
Just become a lawyer, a

1890
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:49,920
scientist or something.
Be real, follow your heart,

1891
02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:55,240
follow your inner guidance.
That's the only thing that can

1892
02:19:55,240 --> 02:19:57,760
save humanity from its current
crisis.

1893
02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:01,720
I think, you know, there's an
example of what we've been

1894
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:04,360
talking about.
There's a book out called called

1895
02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:08,520
to Heal, and it's about an
African shamanic healer.

1896
02:20:09,480 --> 02:20:16,280
And she had a a strict
education, you know, she grew up

1897
02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:20,160
and.
She came from a family of

1898
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:23,080
shamanic healers, but she didn't
want to do that.

1899
02:20:23,440 --> 02:20:25,600
And so she went out and she got
an education.

1900
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:28,120
She tried to follow a career in
different paths.

1901
02:20:28,120 --> 02:20:30,840
And everything wound up blowing
up on her.

1902
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:33,520
And she started having serious
health problems.

1903
02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:37,560
I mean, serious.
Like she was incapacitated in

1904
02:20:37,560 --> 02:20:44,640
various ways.
And one of her associates was a

1905
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:48,400
shamanic healer.
And she said you will continue

1906
02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:52,160
to have these obstacles in your
path and you will continue to

1907
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:57,240
have health problems until you
realize what your true destiny

1908
02:20:57,240 --> 02:21:00,400
is.
And when you take up being a

1909
02:21:00,400 --> 02:21:04,560
spiritual healer, all of that
will disappear and you will find

1910
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:08,640
yourself fulfilled.
And eventually she did that.

1911
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:13,920
And her story is in that book.
So it was really heartening to

1912
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:20,840
me to to see that even people
who try to avoid their inner

1913
02:21:20,840 --> 02:21:25,920
calling because of expectations
of the outer world and society

1914
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:32,680
and what they think they want.
Eventually, if that inner

1915
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:38,680
aspiration is true, they will
find a way.

1916
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:43,000
And that is, you know my
message.

1917
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:47,040
Find who you are.
And be who you are.

1918
02:21:47,240 --> 02:21:52,080
Just live it and live it with
that inner joy that comes from

1919
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:57,600
knowing you are authentic.
Not superficial.

1920
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:04,160
OK, so if this conversation is
resonated with someone, what

1921
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:06,680
should where should someone
start?

1922
02:22:07,800 --> 02:22:11,000
You know if something has
awakened deep inside of them and

1923
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:13,680
what would be the first steps
that they should do?

1924
02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:23,560
Following the principle of
integral yoga, I would say they

1925
02:22:23,560 --> 02:22:29,920
should start where they are and
it's not a matter of picking up

1926
02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:33,080
a particular path, religion,
book, or anything else.

1927
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:39,400
Once you awaken to that need,
find out what is being attracted

1928
02:22:39,400 --> 02:22:43,600
to you and what you're being
attracted to along that path and

1929
02:22:44,400 --> 02:22:46,320
follow it as long as it's
guiding you.

1930
02:22:48,840 --> 02:22:51,120
Someone called this the pathless
path.

1931
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:57,960
And it's really true that, you
know, everyone wants you to say,

1932
02:22:58,320 --> 02:23:00,680
OK, you woke up, now you do
these things.

1933
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:03,600
But my approach to that is
totally different.

1934
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:07,560
And it's like you woke up now
find out within yourself what

1935
02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:11,320
you've awakened to and then do
that, whatever it is.

1936
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:15,880
OK.
So I think that's great advice

1937
02:23:15,880 --> 02:23:19,320
actually.
So you mentioned before Orville

1938
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:24,680
the international community, so
how does it reflect with Sri

1939
02:23:24,760 --> 02:23:32,840
Arubindo's ideals?
Orville was actually not

1940
02:23:32,840 --> 02:23:35,520
conceived by Sri Orobindo
himself.

1941
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:39,440
It was conceived by his Co
worker who is affectionately

1942
02:23:39,440 --> 02:23:43,800
called the mother Mira Alfasa.
She was a French woman who

1943
02:23:46,520 --> 02:23:51,640
basically was receiving a
teaching through her entire

1944
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:56,640
young life and childhood through
dreams and when she went with

1945
02:23:56,640 --> 02:24:00,640
her husband to India, she
recognized Shri Ravindo as the

1946
02:24:01,160 --> 02:24:03,440
teacher who was teaching her all
these things.

1947
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:07,880
She became his Co worker and she
developed what's called the Sri

1948
02:24:07,880 --> 02:24:13,040
Aurobindo Ashram and became the
caretaker of several 1000 people

1949
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:16,640
who decided to live and work
there.

1950
02:24:17,160 --> 02:24:20,800
And during the Second World War,
she invited in their families

1951
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:23,640
and started a school, the
International Center of

1952
02:24:23,640 --> 02:24:26,640
Education.
And eventually, she said, you

1953
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:30,080
know, there should be a place on
the planet where money doesn't

1954
02:24:30,080 --> 02:24:34,760
rule, where it's a laboratory
exploring new ways of life that

1955
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:38,920
brings people of different
cultures together and begins to

1956
02:24:38,920 --> 02:24:43,840
work out what trio Robindo
called the ideal of human unity,

1957
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:46,560
which is the name of one of his
books.

1958
02:24:48,480 --> 02:24:54,240
And so she founded the idea of
Oroville and worked with some

1959
02:24:54,280 --> 02:24:58,160
architects and engineers and
developed a plan for it.

1960
02:24:58,160 --> 02:25:04,240
Got some people busy purchasing
the land on sort of it was a

1961
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:12,280
desert eroded plateau nearby and
turning it into what is today a

1962
02:25:12,280 --> 02:25:15,440
green paradise.
I mean, they've got millions of

1963
02:25:15,440 --> 02:25:19,200
trees there and they've got
water and they've got a

1964
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:22,160
beautiful environment and
they've built structures and

1965
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:25,080
they've built community and
they've built projects and

1966
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:27,760
there's like 600 projects going
on there.

1967
02:25:28,120 --> 02:25:31,000
Because every individual comes
with their own view of what it

1968
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:35,720
is they want to work on.
It's sort of almost a divine

1969
02:25:35,720 --> 02:25:39,120
anarchy you could say, because
someone comes there and says,

1970
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:41,880
well, I want to work with
Spirulina and someone else says,

1971
02:25:41,880 --> 02:25:45,320
well, I want to work with
recycling and someone else comes

1972
02:25:45,320 --> 02:25:49,960
and says I want to work with,
you know, water conservation,

1973
02:25:50,320 --> 02:25:54,800
whatever or energy.
They're they've set up a solar

1974
02:25:54,800 --> 02:26:00,120
mini grid in the community.
Now it's like all these projects

1975
02:26:00,120 --> 02:26:05,120
are at work and somehow,
although they don't work with

1976
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:10,720
each other, they work together
and around and supportive to one

1977
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:14,760
another in terms of the big
picture that that gets created.

1978
02:26:15,680 --> 02:26:23,120
So I'd say it's the corollary to
what Trio Robindo spoke about.

1979
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:27,320
But it was the mother's
implementation of an experiment

1980
02:26:27,320 --> 02:26:32,800
in human unity, rather than a
more.

1981
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:35,400
Philosophical, broader brush
approach.

1982
02:26:35,400 --> 02:26:37,840
It was well, let's just try
something.

1983
02:26:40,320 --> 02:26:42,480
OK.
So you alluded to a few things

1984
02:26:42,480 --> 02:26:44,640
that I want to ask me next
question.

1985
02:26:44,640 --> 02:26:48,720
So can you elaborate on that in
terms of how do Orville's

1986
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:52,720
projects differ from the high
tech, high cost approaches in

1987
02:26:52,720 --> 02:26:56,760
the developed world?
The main thing is that Orville

1988
02:26:56,760 --> 02:27:01,840
starts at what I would call the
basic ground roots level.

1989
02:27:02,520 --> 02:27:07,840
And the idea is the solutions
they work on should be able to

1990
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:14,320
be implemented with local
modification almost anywhere in

1991
02:27:14,320 --> 02:27:17,880
the developing world.
When you look at the projects

1992
02:27:17,880 --> 02:27:22,800
that the World Bank for instance
has dropped into Asia and Africa

1993
02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:27,360
and South America, these are big
high money, high tech projects

1994
02:27:27,360 --> 02:27:31,560
and they spend 10s or hundreds
of millions of dollars and they

1995
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:36,240
put some project in place.
But then they after some time,

1996
02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:39,320
they can't be maintained.
They cost too much to maintain.

1997
02:27:39,320 --> 02:27:43,560
The people don't have the
necessary skill set to maintain

1998
02:27:43,560 --> 02:27:49,120
that level of tech.
And it becomes difficult.

1999
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:54,240
And in many cases, it becomes a
way that local leaders use it to

2000
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:57,120
enrich themselves at the expense
of their people.

2001
02:27:57,120 --> 02:28:01,680
In other words, it's just almost
like graft that's taking place,

2002
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:07,280
corruption.
So at Oroville, they start with

2003
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:11,960
small things and say, OK, well,
they did a reforestation project

2004
02:28:11,960 --> 02:28:16,360
and that's a good example.
It was a totally denuded, eroded

2005
02:28:16,440 --> 02:28:20,000
plateau.
And they looked at, well, what

2006
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:25,200
is it going to take to turn this
into a living biosphere?

2007
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:29,800
And then they looked at what are
the native plants and trees that

2008
02:28:29,800 --> 02:28:34,000
would normally grow in this area
so that they didn't introduce

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foreign plants into the
environment, but plants that

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were going to grow and thrive in
that area.

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And they carefully tended trees
and plants where they would

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water each one individually with
drops of water on a daily basis.

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To start with, because there was
no water, they started building

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cannabs or you know, ways to
block the water, capture the

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monsoon flow, utilize it
effectively.

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They put in some bore wells to
tap the water that was under

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there and they conserved it.
They organized it and they

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created a thriving biosphere
that not only had these trees

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that they planted, but
eventually they attracted the

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02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:31,560
native understory brush that
would grow there in the native

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animals and insects and
everything else, and they

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created a holistic regional
forest.

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Out of something that was
totally just bare eroded.

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Land.
Now the lesson of that is it was

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all done at the grass roots.
Now you've had things like in

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Haiti, they had the hurricane
that destroyed a lot of their

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trees.
And so the world organizations

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have a project and what they do
is they take little tree

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02:30:08,200 --> 02:30:11,920
seedlings and they drop them
from airplanes and they get

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02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:18,160
maybe a 20 or 25% rate of the
trees actually taking and

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02:30:18,160 --> 02:30:22,680
growing.
Well, the Oroville Group went to

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Haiti and a couple of other
places with their program and

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02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:32,640
taught people how to do this and
look at the native growth in

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that area.
Not transplanting what grew in

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02:30:35,400 --> 02:30:39,480
India, but what grows in Haiti
or what grows in Africa or what

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02:30:39,480 --> 02:30:46,160
grows in Rajasthan and said this
is the methodology for you to

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redevelop the native forestry
here.

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They had like an 80 to 90%
success rate versus the 20 or

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02:30:57,240 --> 02:31:02,560
25% success rate that high tech
was doing with their dropping

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seedlings from airplanes.
These are noted examples that

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have been documented, and
they've gotten some grants from

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different places to do those
things and help those areas

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rebuild their forests in a
holistic way.

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High tech has its value.
Oroville has some high tech

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02:31:26,400 --> 02:31:28,560
industries.
They've got a solar mini grid.

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02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:34,200
They've got technology that
they're using to build various

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02:31:34,200 --> 02:31:38,440
things in the community, but
they're not wedded to it at the

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expense of understanding what it
takes to develop for the world

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that isn't high tech, which is
most of the world.

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And the needs of people at the
ground level.

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Well, it sounds very much like
something that I talk about in a

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02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:07,360
sense where I think that the one
of the main issues with

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government is that it is run
from a central tower, a central

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02:32:11,240 --> 02:32:14,200
tower.
And if it was more like how it

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02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:18,400
was many, many, many thousands
of years ago, more, it was more

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02:32:18,400 --> 02:32:21,840
like villages where each village
sort of takes care of themself,

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02:32:22,400 --> 02:32:25,280
you would get a lot more
transparency.

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02:32:25,440 --> 02:32:30,200
You get a lot more efficiency
because you know, the local

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02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:32,840
mayor, because he lives next
door to you, you know, the, the

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02:32:32,840 --> 02:32:37,600
local shaman, you know that he's
not doing dodgy stuff because he

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02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:39,400
lives just two streets down the
road, you know.

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So I think that the model that
you're talking about is

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definitely one of the solutions
that should be looked at in the

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02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:51,040
future.
Santosh, this has been an

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02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:55,600
awesome, awesome conversation.
I knew from the when we first

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02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:58,360
spoke or before we started
recording, I says I have a

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02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:00,320
feeling this is going to be a
really good conversation.

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02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:04,800
And it turned out because this
is way like I normally do 2

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02:33:04,800 --> 02:33:07,040
hours.
But because it was such a great

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02:33:07,040 --> 02:33:11,680
conversation, I just let it flow
because you have your wealth of

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02:33:11,680 --> 02:33:15,160
knowledge.
And with that being said, please

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02:33:15,160 --> 02:33:17,600
tell the lovely people at The
Conscious Man 7 where they can

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02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:20,360
find you.
Tell us about anything that you

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02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:23,960
want to plug or any projects
you're involved in and all of

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02:33:23,960 --> 02:33:27,160
that good stuff.
Well, thank you.

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02:33:27,160 --> 02:33:33,000
I have to say I was extremely
pleased by our interaction and

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02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:37,080
conversation.
I know you worked on preparing

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02:33:37,080 --> 02:33:39,440
certain questions.
I didn't do anything.

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02:33:39,440 --> 02:33:43,800
I just said, I'm just going to
see what happens and respond.

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02:33:43,960 --> 02:33:51,080
You know, as the questions come.
I was very, very pleased by how

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02:33:51,080 --> 02:33:55,280
much you bring to this
conversation and how much you've

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02:33:55,760 --> 02:34:01,640
helped me evoke what I might be
able to share with others.

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02:34:01,640 --> 02:34:05,280
So thank you.
And in terms of, you know,

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02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:09,560
anyone who's interested in what
we do, probably the easiest

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02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:14,480
place to go is Sri Aurobindo
Studies.

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02:34:14,480 --> 02:34:22,960
That's SRIAUROBIND
o.wordpress.com.

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02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:28,920
And that's my main blog that
I've been running since 2009.

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02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:34,560
And I believe there are links
there to the podcast, which is

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02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:39,960
actually the blog post turned
into verbal 2 days later.

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02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:47,360
OK, so if you want to hear it,
you go there, but I think I've

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02:34:47,360 --> 02:34:51,760
got a link there and otherwise
they can e-mail me at

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02:34:53,840 --> 02:35:04,320
santoshksantoshk@msn.com and I
respond to emails so.

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02:35:04,760 --> 02:35:08,640
Well, firstly, thanks for your
kind words and I try my best to

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02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:15,760
bring as much as I can to the
conversation and to do enough

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02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:20,120
research to, to, to, to make it
interesting for people and stuff

2096
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:25,600
like and as, as, as guys, you
know, I am an online fitness

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02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:27,560
trainer.
I help spiritually incline

2098
02:35:27,560 --> 02:35:29,040
people burn fat and build
muscle.

2099
02:35:29,440 --> 02:35:32,760
So summer is going to be here in
a few days.

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02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:36,040
So if you would like to get into
the best shape of your life,

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02:35:36,120 --> 02:35:39,320
it's not too, too late, but you
need to act now.

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02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:41,800
So if you're interested in
getting into the best shape of

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02:35:41,800 --> 02:35:46,080
your life and growing mentally,
spiritually and also physically,

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02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:50,640
hit me up on my Instagram at
Adriano under score 246 or my

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02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:58,080
name Todd Cave.
And if you also would like to

2106
02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:01,680
remove some fears and traumas, I
can also help you do that.

2107
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:04,160
I can help you to to get some
magic mushrooms.

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02:36:04,600 --> 02:36:09,000
So hit me up on my socials again
at Adriana under score 246 on my

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02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:12,320
name Todd gave and I will help
you to get some magic mushrooms

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02:36:12,320 --> 02:36:17,080
because we have a lot of
deprogramming to do as Sri so

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02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:20,640
pointedly explained today.
And if you would like to support

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02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:24,000
this podcast, you can do that by
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02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:28,040
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02:36:28,320 --> 02:36:30,840
And as you can see, I have all
one of those shirts today.

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02:36:30,840 --> 02:36:36,480
We have hoodies, tank tops and
sweats and as you can see, I

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02:36:36,480 --> 02:36:38,400
have on the conscious man shirt
today.

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02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:45,640
So if you would like to support
this podcast because it really

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02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:48,240
does help us with things like
video editing and stuff like

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02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:52,000
that, link will be to the Amazon
store in the description of this

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02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:54,320
podcast.
And you can help us to grow,

2121
02:36:54,480 --> 02:36:58,400
help us to do some more research
and get some more amazing guests

2122
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:03,880
like Santosh on the platform,
you know, and if this episode

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02:37:03,880 --> 02:37:08,200
sparked something in you, share
it, send it to a friend, Tiger

2124
02:37:08,200 --> 02:37:11,440
Saw social media and subscribe
for more episodes like this.

2125
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:15,720
Dive deeper into Santosh
Krinsky's work through his

2126
02:37:15,720 --> 02:37:19,080
YouTube channel, his books, and
the Institute for Holistic

2127
02:37:19,080 --> 02:37:22,360
Education.
Remember, transformation spreads

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02:37:22,360 --> 02:37:25,040
when you take action.
Thanks for listening to the

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02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:28,520
Conscious Man 7 podcast.
See you in the next one I

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02:37:28,520 --> 02:37:31,520
remember.
Keep smiling, keep shining, and

2131
02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:33,160
keep being the change you want
to see.

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02:37:33,440 --> 02:37:36,720
Speak to you soon, my fellow
brothers and sisters.

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02:37:37,000 --> 02:37:39,280
Cheers and namaste.