Aug. 1, 2024
How Do We Know That a Spiritual Force Is Working in Our Lives?
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, The Hidden Forces of Life, Ch.7 Spiritual Forces of Help and Succour, pp.166-167 This episode is also available as a blog post at https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2024/07/27/how-do-we-know-that-a-spiritual-force-is-working-in-our-lives/
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How can we know that the
spiritual force is actually
2
00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,920
working in us?
An actual experience of a force,
3
00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,720
or what is called a spiritual
experience, is a specific,
4
00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,040
generally short lived event that
enormous numbers of people have
5
00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,480
had.
Yet the experience recedes and
6
00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,760
the daily life goes on,
seemingly in its old habitual
7
00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,480
patterns, with little noticeable
change and with the old routines
8
00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,080
seemingly firmly entrenched.
Spiritual literature and
9
00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,240
scriptural texts from virtually
every tradition in the world
10
00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,400
provide ample evidence of the
overwhelming experience and then
11
00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,400
the let down effect when it
withdraws.
12
00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,600
The dark night of the soul is a
recognized phenomenon.
13
00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,800
Devotees suffer when the object
to their love is withdrawn or
14
00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,320
hidden from them.
People struggle with challenges
15
00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,599
to their faith and the absence
of visible signs always in front
16
00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,920
of them.
There are several ways we can
17
00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,320
know the action of a spiritual
force within us, even when it is
18
00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:13,640
not overtly felt or
acknowledged.
19
00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,960
It is clear that the instruments
of body, life, and mind are
20
00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:23,200
severely limited in their ranges
of perception, so it is no
21
00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,400
wonder that much of the action
of spiritual forces is not seen
22
00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,280
or acknowledged.
One way, of course, is the
23
00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,720
actual event or experience that
one does get a glimpse or
24
00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,200
perception about, and
potentially a repetition of some
25
00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:45,080
similar event from time to time.
Another way is to look back at
26
00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,640
the arc of one's life to see how
major radical changes have
27
00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:55,240
occurred over time in the way
one sees, feels, responds.
28
00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,160
Most people do not experience
this kind of major alteration in
29
00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,320
their views, reactions, or
perceptions about things.
30
00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,160
So for someone to have such
changes take place, it becomes
31
00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,560
clear that another force is at
work.
32
00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,800
Charles Dickens, in his tale A
Christmas Carol, actually
33
00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,080
illustrates this principle quite
clearly.
34
00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,600
A modern materialistic
businessman who cares for no one
35
00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:29,120
and nothing other than amassing
his wealth, has an experience
36
00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,240
where he is visited by the ghost
of his former partner and then
37
00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,880
has visitation from ghosts who
show him successively past,
38
00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,760
present and future.
He is shaken by the experience
39
00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,320
and when he awakens from the
dream state he was in during the
40
00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:52,240
experience, he is a changed man
who takes care to help and care
41
00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,680
about others.
Who could have imagined a more
42
00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,480
radical transformation inhabit
an action than what we see here?
43
00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,200
The visitation by ghosts is a
frequent theme in Western
44
00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,040
literature about how forces have
changed outcomes.
45
00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:12,480
It also occurs frequently in the
works of William Shakespeare,
46
00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,840
for instance, what the actual
forces at work are.
47
00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,320
Whether ghosts or simply a
transcription of some spiritual
48
00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,960
force in imagery that is common
in a particular cultural
49
00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:30,280
background cannot obviously be
immediately determined without
50
00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,320
more detailed understanding of
specific cases.
51
00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,560
However, the changes are radical
and transformative and provide
52
00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,760
the signs of a new spiritual
energy and insight at work in
53
00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,080
the being.
Many who have such a
54
00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,880
transformative experience do not
have such a radical overnight
55
00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,880
change, but tend to grow into it
over a period of time.
56
00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,000
Looking back at one's feelings,
thoughts, responses and
57
00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,920
reactions of the past and what
they are now can usually provide
58
00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,240
clear evidence of a force at
work to bring about a change of
59
00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,040
consciousness and put that
change of consciousness into
60
00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,079
action, Srioro Bindu observes.
Quote.
61
00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,480
The fact that you don't feel a
force does not prove that it is
62
00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,920
not there.
The steam engine does not feel a
63
00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,800
force moving it, but the force
is there.
64
00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:34,680
A man is not a steam engine.
He is very little better, for he
65
00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,880
is conscious only of some
bubbling on the surface which he
66
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:43,560
calls himself, and is absolutely
unconscious of all the
67
00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,360
subconscious, subliminal, super
conscient forces moving him.
68
00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,480
This is a fact which is being
more and more established by
69
00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,000
modern psychology, though it has
got hold only of the lower force
70
00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,520
and not the higher, so you must
not turn up your rational nose
71
00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,320
at it.
He twitters intellectually
72
00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,040
foolishly, about the surface
results and attributes them all
73
00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,800
to his noble self, ignoring the
fact that his noble self is
74
00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,800
hidden far away from his own
view, behind the veil of his
75
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,240
dimly sparkling intellect and
the reeking fog of his vital
76
00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,640
feelings, emotions, impulses,
sensations and impressions.
77
00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,000
So your argument is utterly
absurd and futile.
78
00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,480
Our aim is to bring the secret
forces out and unwalled into the
79
00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,560
open, so that instead of getting
some shadows or lightnings of
80
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,400
themselves out through the veil,
or being wholly obstructed, they
81
00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,840
may pour down and flow in
rivers.
82
00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,560
But to expect that all at once
is a presumptuous demand which
83
00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,680
shows an impatient ignorance and
inexperience.
84
00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,040
If they begin to trickle at
first, that is enough to justify
85
00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,680
the faith in a future downpour.
You admit that you once or twice
86
00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,000
felt a force coming down.
It proves that the force was and
87
00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,800
is there and at work, and it is
only your sweating herculean
88
00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,720
labor that prevents you feeling
it.
89
00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,080
Also, it is the trickle that
gives the assurance of the
90
00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,520
possibility of the downpour.
One has only to go on and by
91
00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,760
one's patience deserve the
downpour or else without
92
00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,880
deserving, slide on until 1 gets
it.
93
00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:40,440
In yoga, the experience itself
is a promise and foretaste.
94
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,480
But get shut off till the nature
is ready for the fulfillment.
95
00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,240
This is a phenomenon familiar to
every Yogi when he looks back on
96
00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,440
his past experience.
Such were the brief visitations
97
00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,040
of Ananda you had sometimes
before.
98
00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:00,680
It does not matter if you have
not a Leech like tenacity.
99
00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,120
Leeches are not the only type of
yogi's.
100
00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,680
If you can stick anyhow or get
stuck, that is sufficient.
101
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End Quote.
Reference Trior, Bindu and the
102
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,560
Mother.
The Hidden Forces of Life,
103
00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:22,840
Chapter 7, Spiritual Forces of
Help and Succor, pages 166 to
104
00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,000
167.
00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,000
How can we know that the
spiritual force is actually
2
00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,920
working in us?
An actual experience of a force,
3
00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,720
or what is called a spiritual
experience, is a specific,
4
00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,040
generally short lived event that
enormous numbers of people have
5
00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,480
had.
Yet the experience recedes and
6
00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,760
the daily life goes on,
seemingly in its old habitual
7
00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,480
patterns, with little noticeable
change and with the old routines
8
00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,080
seemingly firmly entrenched.
Spiritual literature and
9
00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,240
scriptural texts from virtually
every tradition in the world
10
00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,400
provide ample evidence of the
overwhelming experience and then
11
00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,400
the let down effect when it
withdraws.
12
00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,600
The dark night of the soul is a
recognized phenomenon.
13
00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,800
Devotees suffer when the object
to their love is withdrawn or
14
00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,320
hidden from them.
People struggle with challenges
15
00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,599
to their faith and the absence
of visible signs always in front
16
00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,920
of them.
There are several ways we can
17
00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,320
know the action of a spiritual
force within us, even when it is
18
00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:13,640
not overtly felt or
acknowledged.
19
00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,960
It is clear that the instruments
of body, life, and mind are
20
00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:23,200
severely limited in their ranges
of perception, so it is no
21
00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,400
wonder that much of the action
of spiritual forces is not seen
22
00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,280
or acknowledged.
One way, of course, is the
23
00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,720
actual event or experience that
one does get a glimpse or
24
00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,200
perception about, and
potentially a repetition of some
25
00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:45,080
similar event from time to time.
Another way is to look back at
26
00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,640
the arc of one's life to see how
major radical changes have
27
00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:55,240
occurred over time in the way
one sees, feels, responds.
28
00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,160
Most people do not experience
this kind of major alteration in
29
00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,320
their views, reactions, or
perceptions about things.
30
00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,160
So for someone to have such
changes take place, it becomes
31
00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,560
clear that another force is at
work.
32
00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,800
Charles Dickens, in his tale A
Christmas Carol, actually
33
00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,080
illustrates this principle quite
clearly.
34
00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,600
A modern materialistic
businessman who cares for no one
35
00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:29,120
and nothing other than amassing
his wealth, has an experience
36
00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,240
where he is visited by the ghost
of his former partner and then
37
00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,880
has visitation from ghosts who
show him successively past,
38
00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,760
present and future.
He is shaken by the experience
39
00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,320
and when he awakens from the
dream state he was in during the
40
00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:52,240
experience, he is a changed man
who takes care to help and care
41
00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,680
about others.
Who could have imagined a more
42
00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,480
radical transformation inhabit
an action than what we see here?
43
00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,200
The visitation by ghosts is a
frequent theme in Western
44
00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,040
literature about how forces have
changed outcomes.
45
00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:12,480
It also occurs frequently in the
works of William Shakespeare,
46
00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,840
for instance, what the actual
forces at work are.
47
00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,320
Whether ghosts or simply a
transcription of some spiritual
48
00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,960
force in imagery that is common
in a particular cultural
49
00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:30,280
background cannot obviously be
immediately determined without
50
00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,320
more detailed understanding of
specific cases.
51
00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,560
However, the changes are radical
and transformative and provide
52
00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,760
the signs of a new spiritual
energy and insight at work in
53
00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,080
the being.
Many who have such a
54
00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,880
transformative experience do not
have such a radical overnight
55
00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,880
change, but tend to grow into it
over a period of time.
56
00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,000
Looking back at one's feelings,
thoughts, responses and
57
00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,920
reactions of the past and what
they are now can usually provide
58
00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,240
clear evidence of a force at
work to bring about a change of
59
00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,040
consciousness and put that
change of consciousness into
60
00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,079
action, Srioro Bindu observes.
Quote.
61
00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,480
The fact that you don't feel a
force does not prove that it is
62
00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,920
not there.
The steam engine does not feel a
63
00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,800
force moving it, but the force
is there.
64
00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:34,680
A man is not a steam engine.
He is very little better, for he
65
00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,880
is conscious only of some
bubbling on the surface which he
66
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:43,560
calls himself, and is absolutely
unconscious of all the
67
00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,360
subconscious, subliminal, super
conscient forces moving him.
68
00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,480
This is a fact which is being
more and more established by
69
00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,000
modern psychology, though it has
got hold only of the lower force
70
00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,520
and not the higher, so you must
not turn up your rational nose
71
00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,320
at it.
He twitters intellectually
72
00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,040
foolishly, about the surface
results and attributes them all
73
00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,800
to his noble self, ignoring the
fact that his noble self is
74
00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,800
hidden far away from his own
view, behind the veil of his
75
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,240
dimly sparkling intellect and
the reeking fog of his vital
76
00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,640
feelings, emotions, impulses,
sensations and impressions.
77
00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,000
So your argument is utterly
absurd and futile.
78
00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,480
Our aim is to bring the secret
forces out and unwalled into the
79
00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,560
open, so that instead of getting
some shadows or lightnings of
80
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,400
themselves out through the veil,
or being wholly obstructed, they
81
00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,840
may pour down and flow in
rivers.
82
00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,560
But to expect that all at once
is a presumptuous demand which
83
00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,680
shows an impatient ignorance and
inexperience.
84
00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,040
If they begin to trickle at
first, that is enough to justify
85
00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,680
the faith in a future downpour.
You admit that you once or twice
86
00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,000
felt a force coming down.
It proves that the force was and
87
00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,800
is there and at work, and it is
only your sweating herculean
88
00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,720
labor that prevents you feeling
it.
89
00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,080
Also, it is the trickle that
gives the assurance of the
90
00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,520
possibility of the downpour.
One has only to go on and by
91
00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,760
one's patience deserve the
downpour or else without
92
00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,880
deserving, slide on until 1 gets
it.
93
00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:40,440
In yoga, the experience itself
is a promise and foretaste.
94
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,480
But get shut off till the nature
is ready for the fulfillment.
95
00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,240
This is a phenomenon familiar to
every Yogi when he looks back on
96
00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,440
his past experience.
Such were the brief visitations
97
00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,040
of Ananda you had sometimes
before.
98
00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:00,680
It does not matter if you have
not a Leech like tenacity.
99
00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,120
Leeches are not the only type of
yogi's.
100
00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,680
If you can stick anyhow or get
stuck, that is sufficient.
101
00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,480
End Quote.
Reference Trior, Bindu and the
102
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,560
Mother.
The Hidden Forces of Life,
103
00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:22,840
Chapter 7, Spiritual Forces of
Help and Succor, pages 166 to
104
00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,000
167.
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