Jan. 15, 2023
Faith In and Receptivity to the Guru
This episode is also available as a blog post: https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2023/01/13/faith-in-and-receptivity-to-the-guru/
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00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,800
In essays on the Gita SRI
aurobindo notes that every
2
00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,000
scripture has both a temporal
and an eternal aspect.
3
00:00:11,900 --> 00:00:15,900
The temporal aspect is
transitory changes from time to
4
00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:18,400
time.
And from culture to culture
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00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,700
based on the societal background
within which the scripture has
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00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:27,600
been produced the knowledge
gained from this aspect is
7
00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:33,200
subject to modification.
The Eternal aspect represents
8
00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:38,100
knowledge that transcends the
specific time and place within
9
00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:43,000
which it was produced and
remains valid, regardless of
10
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,500
cultural background or societal
norms.
11
00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,200
Similarly, the relationship to
the human Guru has several
12
00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,200
aspects.
The guru represents for the
13
00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,400
Seeker, the divine presence and
guides and AIDS, the secret
14
00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,300
focusing and tuning the
Consciousness to the Divine.
15
00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:09,800
At the same time, the guru is a
human being with the issues and
16
00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:15,500
limitations of human beings.
Physically vitally emotionally,
17
00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:19,900
and mentally.
The guru in the human aspect is
18
00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:22,100
dealing with these things within
himself.
19
00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:27,400
The human aspect of the guru is
not perfect, and the Seeker does
20
00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,400
not surrender to these
imperfections, but to the higher
21
00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,800
guidance and relationship to the
divine presence expressed
22
00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,700
through the guru, There are
various examples of human gurus
23
00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:44,700
who provide real benefit and
guidance to Seekers generally,
24
00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,000
but who are grappling with their
own issues of sexual desire
25
00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,900
Greed for money or power seeking
after Fame, Etc.
26
00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,000
Some may be purely charlatans
who manipulate using techniques
27
00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,600
of control and domination, but
do not actively or consciously
28
00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,800
channel, the higher divine
presence.
29
00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:14,000
Sing instead on using vital
Powers, but there are others who
30
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,300
are in fact, sincere in their
ability, to tune to the higher
31
00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:21,000
Consciousness and provide such
guidance or influence to the
32
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:27,000
Seeker distinguishing, these two
things, the human and the Divine
33
00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,400
aspect is less important.
If the guru is attempting to
34
00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,000
abuse the guru disciple,
relationship by preaching one
35
00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,800
thing, but exacting the
opposite.
36
00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,400
His own aggrandizement, then an
issue arises, and the Seeker
37
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,500
surrender should be to the
divine presence, not to the
38
00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:51,100
human gurus demands.
Much of the difficulties faced
39
00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:54,500
by seekers in the modern world.
When confronted with a guru, who
40
00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:58,900
demands, money wealth.
Or sex from The Seeker can be
41
00:02:58,900 --> 00:03:02,500
overcome through understanding
this distinction.
42
00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:07,700
Some gurus will manipulate the
concept of surrender by pointing
43
00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:09,700
out.
They are doing the Seeker of
44
00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:14,300
favor by breaking through their
ego personality and resistance.
45
00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,700
They cite, the example of marpa
and Miller Epi, it must be
46
00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:24,200
noted, however, that while marpa
exacted heavy physical labor
47
00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,400
from milarepa, as a way, to
expiate, his prior actions of
48
00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,300
black magic building and then
taking apart various structures.
49
00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:39,400
And then rebuilding them, he did
not demand sex or money nor
50
00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,800
self-aggrandizement for his own
personal satisfaction, or
51
00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,800
desires from Miller Epi as he
worked through the disciples
52
00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,100
issues, regardless of the
limitations of the guru, a
53
00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:57,400
sincere seeking trust in.
And receptivity to the divine
54
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,000
presence in the guru can help
the Sadiq obtain the needed
55
00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,500
guidance and support.
When this occurs, the eighth is
56
00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:10,900
not limited to the capacities of
the guru as the connection is
57
00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:15,100
made and the psychic being
within the Seeker opens itself
58
00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,399
to the unlimited force of the
Divine.
59
00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,100
The mother observes quote, if
you have faith and confidence,
60
00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:29,000
it is not the human form of the
guru that you worship.
61
00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:33,200
But the Supreme Lord, who
manifest through him, give
62
00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,300
yourself unreservedly to the
Supreme Lord, through whatever
63
00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:44,300
Channel helps you in quote, SRI,
aurobindo adds quote, The guru
64
00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,800
is the channel or the
representative or the
65
00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,900
manifestation of the Divine,
according to the measure of his
66
00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:56,500
personality, or his attainment.
But whatever he is, it is to the
67
00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:59,200
Divine that one opens in opening
to him.
68
00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:03,200
And if something is determined
by the power of the channel,
69
00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:07,600
more is determined by the
inherent and intrinsic attitude
70
00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,100
of the receiving consciousness.
An element that comes out in the
71
00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:16,600
surface mind as simple trust
were direct unconditional
72
00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,900
self-giving.
And once that is there, the
73
00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:24,400
essential things can be gained
even from one who seems to
74
00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,700
others than the disciple and
inferior spiritual source, and
75
00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:32,700
the rest will grow up in the
Sadiq of itself.
76
00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,700
By the grace of the Divine.
Even if the human being in the
77
00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:44,500
guru cannot give it in quote,
reference SRI aurobindo and the
78
00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:48,700
mother growing within the
psychology of inner development.
79
00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000
Chapter 3 growth of
Consciousness, basic requisites
80
00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:35,200
Pages, 55 to 56, By the grace of
the Divine.
81
00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,000
Even if the human being in the
guru cannot give it in quote,
82
00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:46,600
reference SRI aurobindo and the
mother growing within the
83
00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,800
psychology of inner development.
Chapter 3 growth of
84
00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,700
Consciousness, basic requisites
Pages, 55 to 56,
00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,800
In essays on the Gita SRI
aurobindo notes that every
2
00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,000
scripture has both a temporal
and an eternal aspect.
3
00:00:11,900 --> 00:00:15,900
The temporal aspect is
transitory changes from time to
4
00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:18,400
time.
And from culture to culture
5
00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,700
based on the societal background
within which the scripture has
6
00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:27,600
been produced the knowledge
gained from this aspect is
7
00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:33,200
subject to modification.
The Eternal aspect represents
8
00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:38,100
knowledge that transcends the
specific time and place within
9
00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:43,000
which it was produced and
remains valid, regardless of
10
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,500
cultural background or societal
norms.
11
00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,200
Similarly, the relationship to
the human Guru has several
12
00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,200
aspects.
The guru represents for the
13
00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,400
Seeker, the divine presence and
guides and AIDS, the secret
14
00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,300
focusing and tuning the
Consciousness to the Divine.
15
00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:09,800
At the same time, the guru is a
human being with the issues and
16
00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:15,500
limitations of human beings.
Physically vitally emotionally,
17
00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:19,900
and mentally.
The guru in the human aspect is
18
00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:22,100
dealing with these things within
himself.
19
00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:27,400
The human aspect of the guru is
not perfect, and the Seeker does
20
00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,400
not surrender to these
imperfections, but to the higher
21
00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,800
guidance and relationship to the
divine presence expressed
22
00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,700
through the guru, There are
various examples of human gurus
23
00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:44,700
who provide real benefit and
guidance to Seekers generally,
24
00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,000
but who are grappling with their
own issues of sexual desire
25
00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,900
Greed for money or power seeking
after Fame, Etc.
26
00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,000
Some may be purely charlatans
who manipulate using techniques
27
00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,600
of control and domination, but
do not actively or consciously
28
00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,800
channel, the higher divine
presence.
29
00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:14,000
Sing instead on using vital
Powers, but there are others who
30
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,300
are in fact, sincere in their
ability, to tune to the higher
31
00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:21,000
Consciousness and provide such
guidance or influence to the
32
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:27,000
Seeker distinguishing, these two
things, the human and the Divine
33
00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,400
aspect is less important.
If the guru is attempting to
34
00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,000
abuse the guru disciple,
relationship by preaching one
35
00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,800
thing, but exacting the
opposite.
36
00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,400
His own aggrandizement, then an
issue arises, and the Seeker
37
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,500
surrender should be to the
divine presence, not to the
38
00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:51,100
human gurus demands.
Much of the difficulties faced
39
00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:54,500
by seekers in the modern world.
When confronted with a guru, who
40
00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:58,900
demands, money wealth.
Or sex from The Seeker can be
41
00:02:58,900 --> 00:03:02,500
overcome through understanding
this distinction.
42
00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:07,700
Some gurus will manipulate the
concept of surrender by pointing
43
00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:09,700
out.
They are doing the Seeker of
44
00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:14,300
favor by breaking through their
ego personality and resistance.
45
00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,700
They cite, the example of marpa
and Miller Epi, it must be
46
00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:24,200
noted, however, that while marpa
exacted heavy physical labor
47
00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,400
from milarepa, as a way, to
expiate, his prior actions of
48
00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,300
black magic building and then
taking apart various structures.
49
00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:39,400
And then rebuilding them, he did
not demand sex or money nor
50
00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,800
self-aggrandizement for his own
personal satisfaction, or
51
00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,800
desires from Miller Epi as he
worked through the disciples
52
00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,100
issues, regardless of the
limitations of the guru, a
53
00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:57,400
sincere seeking trust in.
And receptivity to the divine
54
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,000
presence in the guru can help
the Sadiq obtain the needed
55
00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,500
guidance and support.
When this occurs, the eighth is
56
00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:10,900
not limited to the capacities of
the guru as the connection is
57
00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:15,100
made and the psychic being
within the Seeker opens itself
58
00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,399
to the unlimited force of the
Divine.
59
00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,100
The mother observes quote, if
you have faith and confidence,
60
00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:29,000
it is not the human form of the
guru that you worship.
61
00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:33,200
But the Supreme Lord, who
manifest through him, give
62
00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,300
yourself unreservedly to the
Supreme Lord, through whatever
63
00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:44,300
Channel helps you in quote, SRI,
aurobindo adds quote, The guru
64
00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,800
is the channel or the
representative or the
65
00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,900
manifestation of the Divine,
according to the measure of his
66
00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:56,500
personality, or his attainment.
But whatever he is, it is to the
67
00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:59,200
Divine that one opens in opening
to him.
68
00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:03,200
And if something is determined
by the power of the channel,
69
00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:07,600
more is determined by the
inherent and intrinsic attitude
70
00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,100
of the receiving consciousness.
An element that comes out in the
71
00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:16,600
surface mind as simple trust
were direct unconditional
72
00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,900
self-giving.
And once that is there, the
73
00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:24,400
essential things can be gained
even from one who seems to
74
00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,700
others than the disciple and
inferior spiritual source, and
75
00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:32,700
the rest will grow up in the
Sadiq of itself.
76
00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,700
By the grace of the Divine.
Even if the human being in the
77
00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:44,500
guru cannot give it in quote,
reference SRI aurobindo and the
78
00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:48,700
mother growing within the
psychology of inner development.
79
00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000
Chapter 3 growth of
Consciousness, basic requisites
80
00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:35,200
Pages, 55 to 56, By the grace of
the Divine.
81
00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,000
Even if the human being in the
guru cannot give it in quote,
82
00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:46,600
reference SRI aurobindo and the
mother growing within the
83
00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,800
psychology of inner development.
Chapter 3 growth of
84
00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,700
Consciousness, basic requisites
Pages, 55 to 56,
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