Evolution of Consciousness and the Course of Time -- Individual Yoga or Yoga of Divine Manifestation

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Welcome everyone, Welcome to the
Cultural Integration Fellowship.

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I'm very happy to have Santosh
back who's going to speak on

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matters concerning evolution and
how we can participate in this

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evolution which is which is
going on.

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I'm sure you're familiar with
this fact that integral yoga is

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a world transforming yoga.
Of course, individual liberation

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is extremely important.
The entire yoga is predicated on

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that.
But the journey does not end in

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liberation.
It does not end in moksha,

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there's still some travelling to
do.

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In fact it is after that that a
profound collaboration with the

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force of the mother begins to
happen.

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And it is from that perspective,
in its ultimate sense, that

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individual and world
transformations has to be

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undertook, taken.
But on that issue, it will be

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Santosh who will be shedding
more light.

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So let me just quickly introduce
him despite the fact that he

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does not need any introduction.
Santosh has been studying

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Shivarvindo Shivarvindo's
writing since 1971 and has a

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daily blog at
shivarvindostudies.worldpress.com

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and podcast located at anchor
dot FM forward slash Santosh Das

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Krinsky.
He is the author of 20 books and

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is the editor in chief at Lotus
Press.

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He is the president of the
Institute for Holistic

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Education, a nonprofit focused
on integrating spirituality into

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daily life.
Video presentations, interviews

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Forward slash at Santosh Krinsky

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8711 word Santosh Krinsky 871 So
before I hand over the screen to

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santosh, I want to read a poem
from Doctor Haidas Choudhury's

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collection The Rhythm of Truth
and the title of this poem is

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Creative action.
Truth is freedom and freedom is

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joy.
Life is joyful expression of

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truth and freedom.
Life is the rhythm of light

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breaking through darkness.
It is the dance of spirit in the

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heart of matter, the music of
silence beneath all surface

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turmoil, the drama of the unseen
visible in tears and laughter.

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When a glimpse is caught of the
formless light, when the message

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is heard from the soundless
word.

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When the path is cleared for the
gateless gate, the cup of life

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is filled to the brim with the
ecstasy of creative action.

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Let's meditate for a minute at
least, and then I will hand over

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the screen to Santosh.
Welcome back, Santosh,

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over to you.
Well, thank you.

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I'd like to first of all,
welcome everybody who's joined

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us here today.
And little housekeeping stuff

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looks like everybody's muted
your microphones, which is

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great.
But we do expect to have some

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time for what I find to be the
most interesting part of these

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talks is some conversation
between all of us after the end

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of the presentation.
So we'll leave some time for

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that.
We're going to do something a

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little bit unusual this time.
You know, we sort of have these

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formulae that we accept after
having studied Trioro Bindo for

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many years, that the evolution
of consciousness developed forms

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and basically there's this
evolution in process.

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But I don't know, until recently
I wasn't really much concerned

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about, well, OK, let's look at
the process and see what it

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looks like and see how it begins
to correspond with what the

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scientists have to say about how
these things happen.

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So actually the the title for
the discussion today that I sent

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in was the evolution of
Consciousness and the course of

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time, our spiritual destiny, and
it turned into spiritual or

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collective destiny, which is
fine because that's where it was

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going.
But we're going to spend some

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time going through a brief
history of time.

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With all due deference and
respect to Stephen Hawking,

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we're not going to go back to
The Big Bang or beyond that to

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whatever came before.
Let's start just with the age of

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the earth when we get there.
So as Kundan mentioned,

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historical yogic practice
focused on individual salvation

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or liberation, and it was all an
individual effort and it didn't

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really have an impact on anybody
or anything else specifically.

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It wasn't geared towards that.
The integral yoga focuses on the

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evolution of consciousness and
the transformations needed to

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establish what Shri Aurobindo
calls the next stage of that

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evolution, beyond the mental
level that we now experience and

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share with each other.
And he called that the supra

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mental beyond the mind.
So if we look back at the

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history, first, let's let's
think about for a moment whether

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all of this just happens
randomly, whether forms come up.

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And because the forms develop
somehow, consciousness is

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created by matter, which has
been a philosophical position

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taken by many, many people over
many years.

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In fact, there was a theory
called the infinite monkey

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theory that said if you give a
monkey infinite time and a

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typewriter, they're going to
recreate all of the works of

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Shakespeare.
OK.

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And that theory actually held
some prevalence because under

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the laws of random chance that
were held by this segment of

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humanity, of course that is
possible.

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And if there's infinite numbers
of universes and infinite

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possibilities, well, you could
say, OK, it could happen.

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Well, actually a few years ago
some scientists and

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mathematicians in Australia did
some research on that and they

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came out with a mathematical
model using the same underlying

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mathematics that said that a
monkey could theoretically do

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it, but it would take longer
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universe for that to happen and
therefore it was not a realistic

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scenario.
Then they said, well OK, what

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happens if we take all 200,000
monkeys that exist on the planet

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and put them to work sort of
serially in parallel to each

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other?
Could they do it faster?

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And that also didn't work.
So I think we can put the

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infinite monkey theory to bed
finally and understand that

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forms do not create
consciousness, but consciousness

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creates forms.
If we look at it, everything we

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see around us, we don't put up
these square boxes with plumbing

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and electricity and in
everything and then say, oh,

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well, maybe we can live in that.
It happens the other way.

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We say we need a place to live,
so let's plan for how to create

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a space that works for us, for
our bodies and our vital

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energies and our needs.
And we build, we design, and

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then we build houses.
So form follows function,

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planning leads to structure, and
consciousness creates the

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material forms.
With that background, we follow

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what trioral window basically
said in in Savitri, and I'll

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read a very brief passage here.
This is the sailor on the flow

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of time.
This is world matters slow

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discoverer who launched into
this small corporeal birth, has

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learned his craft in tiny bays
of self, but dares at last

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unplumbed infinitudes, a Voyager
upon eternity's seas.

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And so let's voyage with Sri
Aurobindo and this sailor

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through time.
So going back to the age of the

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earth, you could say using
carbon dating and various other

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techniques, scientists say that
that's about 4.5 billion years

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ago.
And if we look at the first

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evidence of life emerging, it
took 220 million years for the

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first signs of life to come out
at 4.28 billion.

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Now please excuse me if you
know, I'm taking information

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from scientists and there's a
rounding error here of 20 or 30

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million years.
That's sort of inconsequential

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in these timelines, so don't
hold me to it.

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That exactly at 4.28 billion
years ago, the first signs of

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life emerged.
The first signs of

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photosynthesis were 3.4 billion
years ago, but it was without

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oxygen and the first evidence of
life on land was 3.2 billion

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years ago.
An important step happened 2

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billion years ago.
That's 2 1/2 billion years after

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the Earth was formed.
There was the development or

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what are called eukaryotic
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Eukaryotic cells are cells with
membranes and a complex internal

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structure.
And that's important because

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that becomes the basis of all of
the beings that we later see

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emerge.
Plants, fungi, animals,

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everything need this kind of
complex cellular structure to

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create within each cell energy
activity and various

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functionality.
So the eukaryotic cells have

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this internal development and
that includes things like

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mitochondria, which are the
energy producing organelles,

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chloroplasts which in plants are
the cells which convert sun

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energy into their material
energy and their ability to

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create plant forms and also the
basis for sexual reproduction

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eventually.
So eukaryotic cells are

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extremely important back about a
billion and a half years ago,

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that's 500 million years after
eukaryotic cells develop, they

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split into three different forms
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modern plants, animals and
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The first recognizable animals
890,000,000 years ago for the

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power of impulsion, because we
always say, well, animals have

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the power of impulsion, OK, They
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565,000,000 years ago or
335,000,000 years after the

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first recognizable animals.
So plants came on land about

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515,000,000 years ago, animals
500 million years ago and those

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famous dinosaurs 250 million
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Warm blooded proto mammals
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The dinosaurs died off
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Now they were coexistent with
these original mammals, but they

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died off entirely with the
asteroid.

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And what was the 5th planetary
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And I didn't mention the earlier
planetary die offs because these

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were basically still changes
taking place in the earth

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structure that led to one or
another catastrophic changes in

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the way life evolved.
The early primates developed

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about 55,000,000 years ago, the
higher primates 40 million years

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ago, and the great ape
diversification 15 to 17,000,000

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years ago.
And out of that line of

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development of the great apes
between 2 and 2.8 million years

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ago, the first appearance of the
human genus, the Homo genus

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appeared, and that was not
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Modern man, Homo sapiens, I use
that term advisedly, appeared

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about 300,000 years ago, or
about two million years after

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the first human species
appeared, and we still share

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98.4% of the genes with the
chimpanzee.

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After millions and millions of
years, about 11,000 years ago,

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humans came to totally dominate
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And right now we're living
through the 6th mass extinction

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event, human induced.
And that becomes important

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because it provides an impetus
for what needs to happen next,

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for the next stage of evolution
to occur and for humanity to

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participate in that.
Because we're now in a race

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between what you might call love
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Love in the form of the next
evolutionary stage, harmonizing

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all of the disharmonies that we
face, and death in the form of

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the six planetary extinction
that can take us with it.

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So essentially, we're looking at
huge spans of time, and Trioro,

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Bindo and the mother talk about
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People tend to disregard that.
They say, oh, the Super mental

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has been fixed into the
consciousness of the Earth.

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And I've heard people talking
about how they're on the way to

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being super mentalized
personally.

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And I think that's marvelous if
they can do it, But it's not

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according to what Trioro Bindo
and the mother have said about

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that.
OK.

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Each major transition that we've
discussed led to changes in

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consciousness that could
manifest.

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The consciousness needed a new
form in order to hold and

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express that next level of
energy, that next level of

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awareness and so.
We see that progression with the

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timelines, that the times are
enormous and we have to keep

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that in mind.
But the line of development is

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pretty constant.
And the way these forms

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developed, one is through what
you might call mutation, where a

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former form is simply changed.
And our friend Charles Darwin

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tells us that the evolution of
forms happens through survival

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of the fittest and reproduction
among those who were the fittest

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at that level, etcetera.
But another way that it happens

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is through various lines of
development, conscious

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development that join forces at
various level and become

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symbiotic to one another.
Now human beings have become

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symbiotic to plants.
We expel carbon dioxide which

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they need to breathe and the
plants expel oxygen which we

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need to survive.
So we are symbiotes, you could

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say one being with the plants.
But it goes even deeper.

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We talked about eukaryotic cells
earlier.

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Well, one of the interesting
things that happened is, and I

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don't know how deep into
science, everybody is gone, but

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this is what I've spent my last
couple of weeks doing.

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So you'll have to bear with me a
little bit on this stuff.

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The mitochondria, the energy
cells within our cells that

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convert nutrients into ATP,
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energy that powers every cell in
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They do not have human DNA, they
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They are not human cells or cell
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They're called.
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that at some point the line of
development of beings of

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bacteria that could convert
nutrients into chemical energy,

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which we call mitochondria, were
absorbed into the multicellular

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Organism, the eukaryotic cells
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And instead of dissolving them,
digesting them, we made sort of

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a treaty with them.
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alive and give you a nice,
comfortable, warm environment to

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live in, and you create energy
for us.

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Now, scientists say we enslaved
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at it more as a cooperative
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Very similarly, none of us would
be able to digest any food

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whatsoever if we didn't have a
what are called probiotic

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bacteria in our intestines.
We have entire colonies of

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bacteria that live very
comfortably within us and carry

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out much of the digestive
function that we need in order

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to have the nutrients that
create our lives.

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So we've created another
symbiotic relationship with

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another species, you could say,
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Interestingly enough, they
recently have announced that

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there is a sea slug in the ocean
that is able to do

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photosynthesis.
This is the first animal they

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found that could do
photosynthesis and the way it

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happens is these sea slugs eat a
certain amount of the

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microscopic plankton or algae
whatever it is in the ocean.

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them into their eukaryotic cells
and they can go a year without

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eating again based on the
photosynthesis that goes on.

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Now, you may all wonder where
this is going and why we have to

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go so deep into this, but the
next stage of evolution of

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consciousness requires new
forms.

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And the mother has made that
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She's in various places said,
well, maybe in the next stage of

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evolution we're not going to
need to eat, or maybe in the

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next stage of evolution there
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In other words, there are
different ways that this can

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happen.
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genes that we have within us
right now that are turned off

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might be turned on.
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animals out there that can
regrow limbs when their limbs

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have been cut off and their stem
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They know just what to do and
they recreate that limb.

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Well, those very same genes
exist within us, but we're not

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using them.
And so when we lose a limb, it's

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just we lost a limb and someone
goes out and creates one out of

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metal or plastic or whatever
they do and attaches it to you

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and in hopes that you can do
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But we also see these symbiotic
relationships develop, and it

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may be that one of them might be
that we incorporate something

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like photosynthesis into
ourselves, just like we

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incorporated bacteria to run the
cellular energy or bacteria to

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run the digestive system.
So if we could do photosynthesis

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and convert energy directly from
the sun, we wouldn't need to

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eat.
Now, there's another way, and

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that is that people have been
studying for many years the

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movement of energy through what
we call the chakras, the energy

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centers, the the subtle energy
centers.

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And if we can learn how to open
those chakras and absorb energy

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directly, we may not need
photosynthesis and we may not

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need anything else.
We may become energy beings.

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Now this is all speculation, but
it's speculation with a purpose,

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and that is that it is to push
us out of our normal everyday

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way of looking at the world from
our own individual egoistic,

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limited viewpoint and lifetimes.
Because evolution doesn't take

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place within the span of one
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Everything we've talked about
took 10's and hundreds or

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billions of years to occur.
And so to say we're going to

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practice this yoga and become
super mentalized overnight is

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not realistic, nor is it what
Trioro, Bindo and the mother

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have to say about it.
So we are in a race with time

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right now, and Trior Bindo gave
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We human beings, as part of the
evolution, the manifestation,

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the unfolding of the universal
creation, are now at a stage

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where we can begin to
consciously participate in that

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evolutionary process.
Up until now, the process was

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driving itself through the
Divine's impulsion, through

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forms that were not
self-conscious.

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Now the Divine is driving that
process through forms that can

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be self-conscious.
And by doing that we can begin

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to consciously participate and
support that movement.

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And as Rio Robindo has
mentioned, that means that we

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could speed up the evolution.
Now, when you talk about

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speeding up the evolution, they
don't talk in terms of, I don't

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know, 50 years, 10 years, 20
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They talk about hundreds of
years, maybe thousands of years,

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which in itself would be
considered a miracle from the

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side of the evolution of the
divine manifestation.

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And the the real issue we
continually run into is we

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believe that the world revolves
around us.

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It's our yoga.
It's our realization, it's our

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health, it's our Wellness, it's
our recognition of things, it's

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our liberation.
But in reality, we are elements

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of that larger evolutionary
process and we can't look at it

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in terms of one individual
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We need to look at it in terms
of, and I like to use the

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example of a relay race.
OK, you've got four people

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running a relay race and they
run around the track and carry a

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baton and then they give it to
the next person.

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They carry the baton, the next
person carries the baton and

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it's only the 4th person,
whoever reaches the finish line.

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All the other three were
essential to the process of

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reaching the finish line, but
they never get to see the finish

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line.
All they did was carry the baton

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for a while and move the process
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And if we shift out of our own
egoistic personalities for a

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moment and look at it from this
wider perspective of the

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consciousness of time and
evolution, which is why we spent

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so much time earlier going
through all those steps.

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I left out a few, but
essentially, we are just

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carrying the baton forward and
we may or may not even have

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realizations.
Each one of us has a role to

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play.
As Kundan mentioned at the

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beginning, it's important.
And it's important because in

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order for the next stage of
evolution to develop, there has

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to be both a texturing of
consciousness in general among

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humanity and a change and
updating of the forms that can

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hold and manifest that new level
of consciousness.

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And a receptivity to that energy
which is manifesting doesn't

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come from us, it comes from the
divine.

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So with that in mind, let's look
at what Trioro Bindo and the

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Mother have to say.
And I'm going to read it just a

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few quotes here from letters on
Yoga.

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Trioro Bindo states it would not
be possible to change all that

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the ordinary life on earth in a
moment.

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We have always said that the
whole of humanity will not

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change the moment there is the
descent.

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But what can be done is to
establish the higher principle

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in the earth consciousness in
such a way that it will remain

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and go on strengthening and
spreading itself in the earth

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life.
That is how a new principle in

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the evolutionary must
necessarily work.

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But what we propose just now is
not to make the earth a super

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mental world, but to bring down
the Super mental as a power and

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establish consciousness in the
midst of the rest, to let it

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work there and fulfill itself as
mind descended into life and

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matter and has worked as a power
there to fulfill itself in the

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midst of the rest.
This will be enough to change

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the world and to change nature
by breaking down her present

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limits.
So the descent of the Super mind

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is not intended to create a
patent universal medicine or

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change everything in the twinkle
of an eye.

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It isn't going to happen, the
mother emphasized.

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The manifestation of the Super
mental upon earth is no more a

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promise, but a living fact, a
reality.

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It is at work here, and one day
will come when the most blind,

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the most unconscious, even the
most unwilling shall be obliged

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to recognize it.
And she continues.

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This great change is the
appearance upon earth of a new

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race, which will be for man what
man is for the animal.

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The consciousness of this new
race is already at work upon

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Earth to enlighten all who are
able to receive it and heed it.

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Now let's say this we're we have
a short lifetime.

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We're very impatient.
We want realizations.

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We want to have our own
liberation.

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We want to have experiences.
But some people get that.

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Many people get that because
that's their role.

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But what about those who are
here because some element of

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human life, some element that is
blocking and obstructing this

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energy simply needs to be worked
out.

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Now they have this famous
apocryphal story that Thomas

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Edison had to fail 1000 times
making light bulbs until he got

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one to work.
What if one of us is here to

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overcome a certain force of
desire or a certain limit of the

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ego, and we never, ever see an
experience because we're failing

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and failing and failing and
failing, but moving the baton

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around the track so that the
next generation can pick it up

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and have a basis for it.
It's almost like your monkey #22

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or #85 in the 100th monkey
theory.

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OK, nobody recognizes that.
No one knows anything special

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has happened.
But after that 100th monkey

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happens and there's enough
texturing of the consciousness,

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things can change and suddenly
it becomes a power of all of

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humanity.
And So what we're called upon to

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do, the individual destiny, is
to move beyond our limit within

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the ego, move beyond our desired
ambition to realize, but to try

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to do whatever we're called upon
within our hearts as devotees,

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as awakened human beings, as
aspirants for something greater.

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Do what we're called upon to do
and face all of those obstacles

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and difficulties and issues and
concerns, whether or not we get

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recognized for it, whether we
recognize it within ourselves.

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We need to keep on keeping on
and do it if we can, cheerfully,

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in spite of the difficulties and
the obstacles, and we become the

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forerunners of that new race.
Well, not necessarily

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participating in that in our
lifetimes, because after all,

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you know, what's 1000 years in
the lifetime of the planet, as

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we saw, it's not even a rounding
error. 20 million years is a

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rounding error.
And for this to happen quickly,

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we need to do a couple things.
One is we need to make

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sufficient changes that we don't
destroy ourselves in the

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interim.
And secondly, we need to keep

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the aspiration alive and growing
and radiating within us and

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around us so that we create the
texture and the opportunity for

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that higher consciousness, that
super mental force which is

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active on the planet to take
hold, to disseminate itself and

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to create the holistic view and
the harmony that it is here to

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resolve.
To overcome all of the

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limitations and gridlock if you
will, That the mental

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consciousness is created to
overcome the forces of the mind

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that have LED us to our 6th
planetary extinction event

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happening right now.
So in Savitri, Shrioro Bindo

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inspires us with his vision of
the role of the individual and

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the transformation process.
I saw the omnipotence, flaming

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pioneers over the heavenly verge
which turns towards life, come

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crowding down the amber stairs
of birth, forerunners of a

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divine multitude out of the
paths of the morning star they

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came into the little room of
mortal life.

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I saw them cross the twilight of
an age, the sun eyed children of

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a marvellous dawn, the great
creators with wide brows of

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calm.
The massive barrier Breakers of

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the world and wrestlers with
destiny in her lists of will.

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The laborers in the quarries of
the gods, the messengers of the

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incommunicable, the architects
of immortality.

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Into the fallen human sphere
they came.

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Faces that wore the immortals
glory still, voices that commune

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still with the thoughts of God.
Bodies made beautiful by the

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spirit's light carrying the
magic word, the Mystic fire

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carrying the Dionysian cup of
joy approaching eyes of a

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diviner man, lips chanting an
unknown anthem of the soul.

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Feet echoing in the corridors of
time.

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High priests of wisdom,
sweetness, might and bliss,

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Discoverers of beauty, sunlit
ways and swimmers of Love's

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00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,080
laughing.
Fiery floods and dancers within

457
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,200
raptures.
Golden doors their tread one day

458
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,560
shall change the suffering earth
and justify the light on

459
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:48,480
nature's face.
Thank you, Santosh, so much to

460
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,360
absorb and thank you for taking
us on the journey of evolution

461
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:03,200
and talking about, you know, our
not only our existence, but even

462
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:11,400
our evolution needs to be
symbiotic and what has been done

463
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,360
earlier needs to be incorporated
so that we can develop further.

464
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,840
And this is very evident in how
the organisms have responded to

465
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:28,200
evolution in the past that, you
know, gave us a lot of evidence

466
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:34,440
for your persuasion.
I hope you are turning this into

467
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,800
a book, you know, which is,
which is absolutely fun,

468
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:44,680
beautiful in the sense that, you
know, it challenges the dominant

469
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:50,520
evolutionary theory of Darwin,
which is the survival of the

470
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,640
fittest.
And I personally feel that the

471
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,200
survival of the fittest can only
cause conflicts and disharmony

472
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,840
in the world.
And that's not a very good place

473
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,520
to be.
So, you know, the same data can

474
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,600
actually be interpreted from a
different theoretical framework,

475
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,920
which can be beautiful for the
humanity.

476
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,040
It's not, it's not the survival
of the fittest, but it is a some

477
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,800
a symbiotic association and
relationship amongst organisms

478
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:29,160
which has caused our evolution.
It is evident from what has

479
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:36,040
transpired in the in the past.
So as we dwell on this beautiful

480
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,400
topic, I want to open the floor
for others to come in, make

481
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,600
their comments and pose
questions if they have any.

482
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,560
Yes, Arunjit, please.
Hi Santosh, it was an excellent

483
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,720
talk.
I enjoyed your description of

484
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,560
the evolution and a lot of the
scientific facts.

485
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,360
While you were talking, I was
remembering an author I don't

486
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,240
know how many people know here.
His name is Peter Russell.

487
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,840
He has written the Physicist.
I think in the 90s he wrote a

488
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,800
book called Global Brain
Awakens.

489
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,200
I read that long back.
I think I still have a copy.

490
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:25,280
So in that he connects with some
of the facts you were telling in

491
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,160
the beginning, then looking at
all the living beings and living

492
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,200
organisms.
And if you look at the earth,

493
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:37,600
earth itself is a living
Organism because it knows how to

494
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,120
men obtain the percentage of
oxygen at a constant level, but

495
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,600
to support the life and in a way
self sustain.

496
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,960
So from that point he develops
and then the whole solar system

497
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,800
is a living Organism, whole
universe is a living Organism.

498
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,920
And he connects that with
Upanishadic statements.

499
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,840
In fact he he is he is one of
the book is translated

500
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Upanishads also with somebody
else.

501
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,440
So that is an interesting
development in terms of

502
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,520
evolution there.
One more, the question I was

503
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:21,600
asking is when we look at the
global warming and the facts you

504
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:28,400
mentioned about reduction in
biodiversity, it looks like it

505
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,760
is, it is engendered by human
activities.

506
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,960
So in that respect, it looks
like the collective

507
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,000
consciousness is coming down
because humanity as a whole is

508
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:46,400
not able to look at those facts
or look able to maintain the

509
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,880
biodiversity which is created by
nature in billions of years.

510
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,520
So with that fact, when in that
book Global Brain Awakens, Peter

511
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,080
Rosa shows a chart that if you
look at humanity in the last 50

512
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,480
years, there's a chart in the
last 25 years, the consciousness

513
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,880
level is rising very fast.
I was wondering, is that really

514
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,880
true?
Because the way things are

515
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,480
happening last 50 years at least
global warming and you know,

516
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,480
reduction of biodiversity is
going the opposite direction.

517
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,720
So what do you comment on that?
Well, you know, last night I

518
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,840
looked out the window and I saw
the moon.

519
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,120
I said, oh, the moon is half
full.

520
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,000
And my wife said, why did you
say it was half full and not

521
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,880
half empty?
I said, because I'm an optimist.

522
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:46,680
So looking at it this way every,
I mean, let let's start from our

523
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,760
own lives.
If everything is wonderful and

524
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,840
peaceful and joyful, we tend to
sit back and relax and enjoy it

525
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,080
and say, well, that's cool, OK.
It's only when we're put under

526
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,960
stress of having to deal with a
situation that we Marshall our

527
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,720
resources, focus the
consciousness and take steps to

528
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:13,640
fix it.
So the mental evolution has its

529
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,680
benefits up to a certain point,
and when it reaches a certain

530
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:24,200
stage, it reaches its own
limits, its limitations, and you

531
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,560
get to what we call gridlock,
where nothing can move and no

532
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,760
solutions can come out.
And we're stuck in all the

533
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,080
problems we've created with our
unintended consequences.

534
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:46,160
That becomes, to me a sign of
the crisis that humanity needs

535
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,240
to now solve.
And if it wasn't for that

536
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:54,560
crisis, we would not be taking
the steps that we're taking, and

537
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,160
we wouldn't take them as
effectively and as urgently as

538
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,360
we're going to take them, as we
are taking them.

539
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,400
So to me, this is part of the
process.

540
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,800
Sri Aurobindo talks about the
thesis and the antithesis

541
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,680
leading to a new synthesis.
And so if the thesis is the mind

542
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,840
and the antithesis is the
gridlock and limitations of the

543
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:25,880
mind, the synthesis is to
develop a new super observer, if

544
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,040
you will.
I used this example recently

545
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,640
with someone and it went right
into their brains.

546
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,800
I said there's a famous
experiment about 5 different

547
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,960
people who observe an automobile
accident from different angles

548
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,920
and they all have different
stories what caused it, how it

549
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,600
happened, whatever.
And I said they're all going to

550
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,440
argue with each other.
However, there's that sixth

551
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,400
person who's sitting six stories
up in a building observing the

552
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,960
five observers and the accident,
who can integrate the positions

553
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,400
of the other five and find the
solution as to what caused the

554
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,360
accident, because they can see
it from a different, totally

555
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,520
different, higher perspective.
So when humanity reaches

556
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,520
gridlock, when we reach this
stage where everything we're

557
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:25,240
doing is destroying that
biodiversity, it's really time

558
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,720
for a new consciousness and a
focus and an urgency towards a

559
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:34,040
new consciousness to come out.
Now, as I said at the beginning,

560
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,920
I'm an optimist.
There are pessimists who just

561
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,280
say we're going to destroy
ourselves and it's all going to

562
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,920
just go away and we'll have to
wait for the next incarnation of

563
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:52,000
the next Yuga to bring forward a
new civilization and start all

564
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,520
over again.
Well, that's what a pessimist

565
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:01,120
might say, but I'm an optimist.
Yeah, thank you.

566
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,200
Yeah, I think just at the the
biodiversity reduction, it is

567
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,520
mind boggling.
I think every I forget the

568
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,600
number every day something a
thousands of species are gone

569
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,760
every day.
And some of that may be the

570
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,840
intended process of nature and
some of that may be because

571
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,120
there has always been a certain
amount of that.

572
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:29,920
And some of that may be
resulting from human caused

573
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,960
changes.
And we need to then adapt to

574
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,800
that and find out what the next
phase is.

575
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,560
I mean, are we intended to be
pure energy beings and not have

576
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,320
a food chain under us?
And maybe all these animals that

577
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,320
provided a food chain and all
these plants that provided a

578
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,640
food chain are totally
unnecessary and we're going to

579
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,360
go into becoming pure energy?
Well, OK, well, maybe that's

580
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,160
some people would say that's
where we're heading.

581
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,240
I don't quite believe that, but
who knows?

582
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:09,960
You know, we can all speculate.
I want to bring in an important

583
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:17,520
piece of information here.
You know, people who follow yoga

584
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,400
of of any kind, you know, have
this understanding that the

585
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:28,400
yogi's, the genuine ones that
is, develop the capacity to look

586
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,040
into the past, present and the
future simultaneously.

587
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,600
The Mother and Sherbinder
definitely have that capacity.

588
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:45,960
And in terms of world affairs,
Sri Arvinder has made certain

589
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,400
predictions.
You know, in fact, during the

590
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,880
Second World War, as he was
holding discussions with his

591
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,360
disciples, he would make some
immediate predictions and they

592
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,520
came true.
So one of his predictions is

593
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,000
that there would be a Third
World War.

594
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,840
And in that Third World War, you
know, there would be an axis of

595
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:18,000
communist China with some
Islamic nations who would attack

596
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,520
India.
And it seems that, you know,

597
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,680
that things are sort of
unfolding in that direction.

598
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,800
Now.
This was just a prelude to what

599
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,920
I want to say.
Now.

600
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,880
There is a particular text, you
know, which was written about

601
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:46,840
600 years ago by some
practitioners in Puri who have

602
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:53,480
spoken about certain world
events that would begin to

603
00:52:53,480 --> 00:53:00,760
unfold after 29th March 2005,
2025.

604
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:09,520
And these have been captured in
the text called Bhavishya

605
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,800
Mallika Puran.
You know it's one of the Puranas

606
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,760
and Bhavishya basically means
the future amongst many things.

607
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,480
What has been what what has been
predicted is that all the five

608
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:33,000
elements of the nature for the
next 6-7 years would become

609
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:39,240
very, very active and they would
cause destruction in the world.

610
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,240
We are seeing, you know, these
wildfires already.

611
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,040
We are seeing storms, you know,
where none occurred before.

612
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,080
We are seeing floods where none
occurred before.

613
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:05,720
So, you know, as per this text,
there's a transition, a massive

614
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:09,680
1 at that, which is in the
process.

615
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,440
Maybe, you know, this is one of
the ways in which the nature is

616
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:21,720
going to set things right.
And interestingly, this text

617
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:25,360
also talks about the Third World
War.

618
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:34,000
It has named countries which
certainly did not exist, you

619
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,440
know, 600 years ago.
It's pretty fascinating.

620
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:47,240
So, you know, the the reason why
I brought this into the mix is

621
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:57,600
because the text also says that
the people who would have a good

622
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:04,560
spiritual practice would
transition to the next phase in

623
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:10,960
evolution.
So let's watch out for these

624
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,240
seven years.
And you know, and I have been

625
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:20,600
observing data in terms of those
predictions and the predictions

626
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,920
are coming true.
Actually they are unfolding.

627
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,200
So there is this consistency
between the predictions and what

628
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:33,440
has been unfolding since the
29th of March 2025.

629
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,760
Well, that's fascinating, Yeah.
And you know the passage that I

630
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:46,560
read at the end from Savitri,
the preface to that is a giant

631
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,680
dance of Shiva tore the past.
There was a Thunder as of worlds

632
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,600
that fall.
Earth was or run with fire and

633
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,880
the roar of death clamoring to
slay a world his hunger had

634
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,000
made.
There was a clangor of

635
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,400
destructions wings.
The Titans battle cry was in my

636
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,200
ears.
Alarm and rumor shook the

637
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:12,640
armored knight.
And then I saw the omnipotence

638
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:18,760
flaming pioneers.
So there is some precedence for

639
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:24,600
what you're saying in in Savitri
as well, that these things are

640
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,440
part of the necessary pressure
because we don't change

641
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,440
historically, we don't change
without pressure.

642
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:42,320
Yeah, sorry.
I see that your hand is up.

643
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,840
Please come in.
Yeah.

644
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,920
Well, first in regard to what
you just said, Kundan and

645
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:57,440
Santosh's first description of
the periods of time 1 can't help

646
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:05,120
but note that each subsequent
change came in a very, very much

647
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,760
shorter period.
So we need to keep that in mind

648
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:17,360
as we show patience.
But but my, my, my question went

649
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,480
to well, in your Savitri quote,
there was God's laborers read

650
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,200
that we are God's laborers or
divine laborers.

651
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:33,600
And we, we need in addition to
working for realizations to

652
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,600
understand all this, the these
processes.

653
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,400
I, I feel that our
responsibility is to take action

654
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,320
in this world.
That person up on the 5th floor

655
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:54,040
observing it, it wouldn't mean
anything unless he utilized it

656
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,800
in some way, unless he, he acted
in, in the, in the world.

657
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:06,160
So there's a lot of tremendous
amount of Thomas and in, in the

658
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,480
inertia in, in, in our actions
in the world.

659
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:16,440
We, as so many of us stand by
and, and and watch.

660
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,440
So would would you in this
context of, of your talk, could

661
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:28,440
you speak to our responsibility
for action, taking action in

662
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:33,920
this world with discernment, of
course, but as best we can, but,

663
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,000
but we need to act to, to, to
make things happen.

664
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,680
You know, participating in,
well, this, this group is an

665
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:48,480
exception, but for participating
in study groups and, and, and

666
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,840
talking about things all the
time and, and going on to the

667
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,760
next study group without acting
in the world.

668
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:02,080
And is, is doesn't seem like
enough or it isn't enough.

669
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,520
So would you could you speak to
what I'm trying to get at here?

670
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:13,120
Sure, you know I've I've never
been known for being inactive

671
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,320
so.
I guess you could.

672
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:23,680
But actually, I take a somewhat
nuanced view of this, if you

673
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:28,080
will.
If somebody is called upon

674
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,920
because you know, there's,
there's like 8 billion people on

675
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,120
the planet, everybody is called
upon to do different things.

676
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,600
We're not all called upon to do
the same things all the time.

677
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:45,040
So some people, if they're able
to become inwardly receptive to

678
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,760
change the energetic flow, to
overcome certain forces of ego

679
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:57,440
and desire within themselves and
to radiate that force out, that

680
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:03,080
may be more valuable to help
texture the consciousness and

681
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,880
create the change.
Then someone going out and

682
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,640
running a food kitchen or
helping sick people or whatever,

683
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:15,400
which all needs to get done.
But within the context that I

684
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,520
think in one of his aphorisms,
Sri Aurobindo pointed out that

685
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,520
the French Revolution occurred
because a Yogi in the Himalayas

686
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,320
in a cave was meditating on
freedom.

687
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:33,880
And so action needs to be seen
as possibly being very subtle.

688
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:39,000
And I, I try not to judge people
based on their outward form of

689
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:46,000
action, but on really let them
do what they need to do, what

690
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,320
they're moved to do, what baton
they're meant to carry in that

691
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,200
relay race, whether or not
they're out there invisible and,

692
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,480
and doing something that we
think is from our viewpoint

693
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,240
essential.
So there's both.

694
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,000
And hopefully there's plenty of
volunteers to do each of those

695
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,680
steps so that they all get done.
Yes.

696
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,880
And and that's that's why I use
the word discernment because we,

697
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,680
we each have to try to do our
best to discern what we are

698
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:23,280
called to do, what our, what
our, what our task is.

699
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:28,040
And of course, that's that's the
big, the big challenge we we

700
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:33,040
face That's that's the task.
Yeah, thank you.

701
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,240
If.
I may add, you know, to this

702
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,280
ongoing conversation.
I also feel that apart from Ego

703
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:47,560
and Thomas, the kind of yoga
that we are invited to do

704
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:58,200
experiences a lot of hostility
to truth, you know, and I am

705
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:03,480
getting to realize that the only
way to defeat those forces is by

706
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:10,880
increasing the quality of our
own yoga, because those forces

707
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,640
are very, very strong.
You know, I have, I have

708
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,120
experienced them quite
extensively, you know, because

709
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:24,960
my area of transition or
transformation, if you will, you

710
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:31,040
know, has been India and you
know, for, for, for, for the

711
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,480
last thousand years or so, the
kind of void that was created in

712
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,320
India because of external
forces.

713
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:45,560
There has been a massive
suction, you know, of hostile

714
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:52,280
forces, you know, to, to the to
the civilization, to, to its

715
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,000
original civilization, if you
will.

716
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:02,040
And in order to transform all of
that, you know, I personally

717
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:07,160
feel that it requires, it
requires very sophisticated yoga

718
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:13,240
on my part.
And so, you know, the focus come

719
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,240
keeps coming back to me.
You know, if I'm able to raise

720
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,840
my own yoga, maybe I will be
able to deal with those with

721
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,800
those forces.
But if I don't do that, you

722
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,960
know, those forces will prevail.
I wish, you know, we're just ego

723
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,520
And Thomas, you know, they're,
they're forces far more

724
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,120
sinister.
So yes, Margaret, you know.

725
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,120
I'm going to be following up
something that you were saying

726
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:47,840
there, Kunda.
This would it came from the Sri

727
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:55,720
Rabindo society, but it was a
discussion about equanimity and

728
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,040
Sri Rabindo was saying kind of
along what you were saying,

729
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:05,600
Santosh, that with equanimity
it's, you know, very important

730
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,800
to have equanimity.
But is that enough, right.

731
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:16,480
And he was saying bringing in,
of course, the Gita, where it's

732
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:22,960
clear that it is one must fight
the forces.

733
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,000
And you were talking about this
Kundan, those forces.

734
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:31,400
And Andrew Rabinow says
something like the forces that

735
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:37,640
would darken or or obliterate
the truth or hurt the children

736
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,480
of light.
He's very direct, very similar

737
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:49,240
to what you're saying, Kundan.
And so again, it is nuanced, but

738
01:04:49,240 --> 01:05:00,480
it's also being clear eyed about
what our mission is, that is to

739
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,920
serve the truth or to radiate
and support the forces of truth.

740
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,040
So anyway, it's interesting that
we're coming all coming at this

741
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:24,160
and saying very similar things.
Yes, Finchman, you're you're on

742
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,600
mute.
Please unmute yourself.

743
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,960
Please unmute yourself.
Yes, thank you.

744
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,840
Thank you.
Yeah, I'm a new face here.

745
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,720
Welcome.
I'm glad that you have started

746
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,080
joining us.
Yeah.

747
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,600
Thank you very much.
I really appreciate this group

748
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:50,880
and actually I graduated with my
PhD in East West psychology

749
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,640
about 2-3 years ago.
And then actually I'm writing a

750
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:01,480
book in Mandarin and I talk
about the integral yoga

751
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:09,600
psychology and I use the so
we're about talk about the

752
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:18,040
centric concentric conscious
system and a vertical system and

753
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,160
a triple transformation.
Yeah, I use this totality of

754
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:27,560
human consciousness as the
theoretical foundation for the

755
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,440
inner child work, actual
actualizing our essential child.

756
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:38,560
So because I read the ceramic
talk about the natural attitude

757
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,360
on the psychical being, is it to
fear itself as a child, the son

758
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:48,240
of the God and the bhakti, it is
a portion of the divine one in

759
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,800
essence.
So I just put it, you say that

760
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:58,400
the inner child work to
actualize our descent child.

761
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:04,760
So to today's lecture, I would
like to get some feedback to see

762
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,040
if I understand it right.
I heard that talk about the

763
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:21,480
symbolic symbiotic relationship
and can we look at the from the

764
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:26,960
central being to two being and
the inner being?

765
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:32,560
Outer being is the different
different portion of our

766
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:40,120
consciousness which is in the
unity of the oneness of the of

767
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:45,560
our consciousness.
And all these different portions

768
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:54,000
are in the symbiotic
relationship with each other

769
01:07:54,840 --> 01:08:01,560
because if the form is the
manifestation of the

770
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:11,200
formlessness, so and so the
individual psychic being and or

771
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:17,960
child in a child is an
expression manifestation of the

772
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,040
original measure.
Yeah.

773
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:29,640
And the if the physical vital
and mental being and the

774
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:37,319
spiritual aspect of us, they are
also symbiotic relationship with

775
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:42,319
each other as one is of the
consciousness.

776
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:49,439
And because I create some
guiding meditation in Mandarin,

777
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,760
for sure, I'm not so competent
with my English.

778
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,399
That's why I'm when I'm talking,
I'll be able to be stressed.

779
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:02,600
Yeah, so and I created some
guiding meditation in Mandarin

780
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:16,319
to to guiding from the our
original matter and connecting

781
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:23,160
with our essential child and the
vulnerable child and our

782
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:27,120
protective child, which is our
outer personality for sure.

783
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:38,160
So when I create this is I'm the
the intention for me is to try

784
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:45,880
to create the connection in
between our different parts of

785
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:52,399
consciousness and create the
linkage and Harmons, harmonies,

786
01:09:52,960 --> 01:10:01,000
harmony, Harmon harmony in US.
So I would like to get her to be

787
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,160
feedback because I cannot find
any because that's right in

788
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,600
Mandarin.
And I don't know where I can get

789
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:14,920
a support to make sure what I'm
doing is in the in the direction

790
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:20,200
which match to the through
indoor teaching.

791
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:22,680
Yeah.
Yeah, Santosh, please.

792
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:28,600
Well, thank you.
I'm very appreciative of what

793
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:33,800
you're trying to do.
And the idea you bring in that

794
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,280
the different parts of the
being, the physical, the vital,

795
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:42,840
the mental and the spiritual are
symbiotic to one another is, you

796
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,760
know, a very interesting
paradigm.

797
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:51,400
Because they each have their own
framework of how they function

798
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,120
and what they do.
And each of them has to be

799
01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:01,160
adapted when the next phase
becomes active because they need

800
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:05,080
to find how to live together, so
to be, so to speak, in one

801
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,040
being.
And that's that symbiotic

802
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,120
relationship.
And it's more or less what we

803
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,760
were talking about.
When the new phase of

804
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:18,760
consciousness comes in, it needs
to make adjustments to the

805
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:25,080
physical, the vital, and the
mental beings so that it can

806
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,600
take hold and radiate and bring
a new level of harmony and

807
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:35,440
integration into these different
parts that right now are not

808
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,200
functioning well together in
certain ways.

809
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:44,680
So I like your paradigm and I
hope you keep developing this.

810
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:52,240
I know it's difficult to do this
in English for you, but I think

811
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,840
I picked up what you were trying
to say and I very much

812
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,920
appreciate that.
Thank you very much.

813
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:05,200
And I would like to say that I,
I use this model in the in the

814
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:11,000
work because I'm working with
people in in China or in Taiwan.

815
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,240
Now I don't have many clients
yet because I still focus on

816
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:21,760
writing, but I I do some do some
work and. 11 very good resource

817
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:27,640
for you would be this
compilation by Doctor AES de Lal

818
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:34,400
called our many selves.
You know, so these different

819
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,480
aspects that you were talking
about, these different aspects

820
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:42,880
of the outer personalities, how
they can be integrated around

821
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,040
the central being, you know,
which is the psychic being is

822
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:52,280
very beautifully explicated, you
know, in in that collection our

823
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,440
many selves.
Our.

824
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:59,400
Many and if you want to.
Get if you want to get access to

825
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:04,080
that.
The blog that we do daily that

826
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:11,560
Kundan gave in the announcement
has a folder called Our Many

827
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:18,120
Selves and we went page by page
through that book with the

828
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:22,640
citations from each page and a
discussion about it.

829
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:28,040
So it's available to you free of
charge just to go out there.

830
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:32,760
Of course it's in English, but
some of the translation engines

831
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,240
may help you.
I did some work with ChatGPT and

832
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,840
it's not perfect, but it's
better than not having a

833
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:46,480
translation at all so.
I can read the English no

834
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:50,000
problem, It's just like time for
me to write and to follow.

835
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:51,760
Up, of course.
Yeah.

836
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,120
Well, if you go out to the blog,
Sri

837
01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:02,520
orobindostudies.wordpress.com,
on the right side there are a

838
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,720
number of folders for different
books that we've done the study

839
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,880
on.
And one of those is our Many

840
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,600
Cells by the compilation by
Doctor Dalal from Srioro Bindu

841
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:18,960
and the Mother's Works.
And every page of that book is

842
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,880
set forth day after day with a
commentary.

843
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,520
So it's available to you
wherever you are.

844
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:28,520
OK.
Sure.

845
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,840
Very good, Very good.
Thank you so much.

846
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,200
Yeah.
You're welcome.

847
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,640
You're welcome.
More comments, Questions.

848
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:48,600
So I have one more question.
The so like what I'm I'm I'm

849
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,880
doing to create a linkage
between different parts of

850
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:59,480
consciousness.
I look at it in a way is to

851
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:11,840
integrate the concentric system,
another vertical system, and I

852
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,920
mean psychical transformation
and a spiritual transformation

853
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:22,960
and the Super mental
transformation because the most

854
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:28,880
the most center is I use the the
original matter, the source of

855
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:34,200
our life and I interpreted it as
the father serial original talk

856
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:39,320
about the define matter.
It's the the origin of our life

857
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,640
and so it's kind of bringing the
use our mental.

858
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:49,280
It's still in a mental plan, I
understand, but we we exercise

859
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:57,760
our mental plan plan to to
awaken our super mental

860
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:02,200
consciousness and bring into
connection with the the

861
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,760
different parts of our
consciousness.

862
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:11,320
So it's a can I look at it as a
a part of the Super mental

863
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,640
transformation?
Yeah, Santosh.

864
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,960
Yes.
So I, I think the approach

865
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,160
you're taking is obviously
helpful in what you're doing.

866
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,960
The new energy that has fixed
itself into the earth

867
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:37,120
consciousness, the Super mental
force is slowly working or

868
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,480
quickly working if you will.
And it's so you, you might call

869
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:51,120
geographic time scale, not human
time scale, to modify to, in

870
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,520
integrate and to harmonize the
mental, the vital and the

871
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:02,600
physical levels so that they can
hold that force and express that

872
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,960
force.
It's a, it's a harmonizing

873
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,760
process like you're talking
about.

874
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:13,760
And so anything that's done to
widen the mental being and the

875
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:20,320
vital and physical being, to
accept a new energy, a new

876
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:25,520
force, a new understanding, and
to find a way to harmonize its

877
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:31,520
action is very helpful.
If you know, if I may add to

878
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:37,880
this, I actually teach a course
on Shirvinder's Integral Yoga at

879
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,400
Sofia University and one of the
books that I use for this

880
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:46,440
purpose is this compilation by
Doctor Dalal called The Greater

881
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:50,120
Psychology.
Now, if there's one area, you

882
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,640
know, where I do not agree with
him and I personally feel that,

883
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:58,200
you know that he makes my work
very difficulties by

884
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:04,200
representing these planes, you
know, in A2 dimensional and

885
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:08,960
three-dimensional manner.
The the mother has spoken on

886
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,640
this, you know, quite a few
times where she says that, you

887
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:17,880
know, there's more to the four
dimensions that we have come to

888
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:22,280
know and realize.
And all these planes, you know,

889
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:26,840
are certainly not arranged in a
two or three-dimensional manner.

890
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,800
Because see, what happens is
that you know that when you

891
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:35,560
begin to visualize these planes
in an hierarchical fashion, you

892
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,440
know, particularly when you look
at this care, the staircase

893
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:46,120
model that he has created, you
begin to invite this, this

894
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:53,760
entire diatribe, you know, of
academia as far as hierarchy is

895
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,280
concerned.
And unfortunately, you know, Ken

896
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:04,440
Wilber has contributed massively
to this problem, which does not

897
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:08,120
really exist in the world view
of the mother and Shivar Bindar,

898
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,840
you know.
So yes, these planes are there,

899
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:19,360
We can, we can go till there.
But these planes are not

900
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,400
arranged in A2 dimensional or a
three-dimensional manner.

901
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,800
In order, you know, to really
know and experience how these

902
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,680
planes are placed, we will
basically need to develop a

903
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,920
yogic vision in us.
All that we can do at this point

904
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,800
in time is to know that you know
that these are distinct planes

905
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,000
in our existence.
They have certain

906
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,000
characteristics.
They influence our consciousness

907
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,760
in distinct ways.
And by becoming aware of, you

908
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:57,360
know, of, of their
characteristics, we can work on

909
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,480
their transformation.
But if we begin to get into

910
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:05,760
this, you know, into this binary
of whether these planes are

911
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,480
placed in an hierarchical
fashion or, you know, or they're

912
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:13,200
on a, on a flat plain, there
will be a problem.

913
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,480
You know, since you're a student
at the East West Psychology

914
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,640
department, you know, you have,
you have one framework or

915
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,120
paradigm.
In integral psychology at this

916
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,280
point in time, which is coming
from Ken Wilber, you know, which

917
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:34,400
is which is hierarchical and
then you have this framework of

918
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,520
participatory, you know,
practice coming from fairer.

919
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,760
And very unfortunately, you know
these two frameworks are at war

920
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,160
with the with the with each
other.

921
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,040
And when you look at the
framework of Mother and Sherwin,

922
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,720
though, there basically is no
conflict whatsoever.

923
01:20:55,240 --> 01:21:01,240
You know, this yoga has been
participatory right from the

924
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,880
very beginning, you know, right
from its very inception.

925
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:11,320
And the planes have a certain
kind of an arrangement, but they

926
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,800
are certainly not hierarchical
in a three-dimensional manner.

927
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,640
So once again, you know, the
ignorance of human beings have

928
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:25,000
basically invaded this this
beautiful cosmology that has

929
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,160
actually been presented to us.
So I would say, you know, my

930
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:33,280
suggestion to you is if you can
set aside, you know, these two

931
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:37,440
frameworks and not get into
them, it will be better, you

932
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:41,360
know, so.
Well, I'll add one thing to

933
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:46,720
that, and that's that scientists
recently found out that they

934
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:52,400
could do something with light to
touch 37 dimensions at one time.

935
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:59,400
And if you read in the titanium
Upanishad, the what I call the

936
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:05,480
calculus of bliss, human bliss
is at the bottom of that range.

937
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:11,040
And then there's like 10 or 12
ranges above that of further

938
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,640
integrated planes or beings or
forces, whatever that are far

939
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:23,760
beyond our human perception.
And so the human being tends to,

940
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:29,440
with the mental forces, we get
to gridlock, we get to arguments

941
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:34,840
and fighting and positions that
we take, but we need to move

942
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,960
beyond that.
And the Super mental force is

943
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:43,320
meant to harmonize all those
different views into a

944
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:49,320
comprehensive holistic view that
is not argumentative but

945
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:57,120
integrative.
Yeah, sometimes I don't use the,

946
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:03,600
the the original model essential
model supplemental consciousness

947
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,960
because it just doesn't happen
at that moment.

948
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,960
Then I don't, I don't use it and
I I use it only when I feel

949
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:17,600
there is something and kind of
isn't kind of a timing.

950
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:23,400
Then I, you then, then I try to
do a little bit doesn't remind

951
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:28,320
how, how, how is the original
mother was said to you.

952
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:33,680
This is a hurtful child.
And then sometimes you just

953
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:39,120
click and something harmonized,
nourished and something changed

954
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:44,760
something just kind of something
kind of a repaired the outer

955
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,920
personality get repaired.
So sometimes it happens,

956
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,840
sometimes it's not, but isn't it
doesn't matter.

957
01:23:52,400 --> 01:24:01,400
I I just follow the floor.
OK, on that note, why don't we

958
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:05,880
have brief meditation and then
we'll break a very brief

959
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:11,880
meditation.
You know, let's go inside focus.

960
01:25:18,620 --> 01:25:24,020
Thank you very much Santosh for
this beautiful presentation we

961
01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:26,260
have.
We have absolutely made our day.

962
01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:29,380
Enjoy the rest of the day, all
of you.

963
01:25:29,380 --> 01:25:31,820
Thank you very much.
Thank you everyone for joining.

964
01:25:32,020 --> 01:25:33,260
US.
Thank you, Santosh.

965
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:37,620
All of your contributions.
Thank you very much, Santosh.

966
01:25:39,140 --> 01:25:40,060
Good to see you everyone.