June 3, 2024
Distinguishing Magic from Occultism
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, The Hidden Forces of Life, Ch. 5 Occult Forces, pp 103-105 This episode is also available as a blog post at https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2024/05/31/distinguishing-magic-from-occultism/
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There is considerable confusion
between the concept of occultism
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and the idea of the practice of
magic.
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00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,280
Whether considered white magic
or black magic, Occultism
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essentially is the science of
dealing with forces subliminal
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to our outer senses, but
nevertheless active and acting
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00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,680
upon our being on the material
plane.
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00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:32,880
Electricity is essentially an
occult force, working unseen but
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having palpable results of its
action.
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Those who learn how to generate,
channel, and put electricity to
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00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:45,480
work are essentially practicing
occultism on the material plane.
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00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,280
Similarly, there are forces that
act on the vital or mental
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00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:56,320
planes, or even on the spiritual
planes that, while unobserved by
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00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,280
our external senses,
nevertheless have their impact,
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00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,720
follow their own laws of
development of action, and can
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00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,280
be studied, harnessed and
utilized by those who take up
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00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,960
the study of occultism.
Magic, on the other hand, is
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00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:18,960
essentially a cookbook of
processes that are developed
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using various words, gestures,
symbols and prescribed actions
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designed to invoke a particular
energy or perhaps a vital being
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to accomplish some fixed task
set by the practitioner of
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magic, the Mother writes.
Quote.
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You must not mix up magic with
occultism.
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Occultism is a science and it is
the knowledge of invisible
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forces and the capacity to
handle them, as one has the
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capacity of handling material
forces if one has studied them
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scientifically.
Magic.
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These are different kinds of
processes which were fixed
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probably by people who had a
certain knowledge and still more
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a certain power of vital
formation.
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These things can be learned
without having any special
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capacity.
That is, someone who has no
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inner power can learn this as he
learns chemistry, for example,
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or mathematics.
It is one of the things which
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are learned like that.
It is not a thing one acquires,
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so it doesn't itself carry any
special virtues except the same
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kind of qualities as those one
learns through chemical
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00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,440
manipulations.
You may reproduce these
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manipulations, but if you are an
intelligent and capable being,
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you can, by the help of these
manipulations, obtain an
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interesting and useful result
and in any case be sheltered
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from all danger, whereas if you
are an idiot, misfortunes may
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come to you.
It is something similar with the
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00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,480
help of magical formulas.
One may produce a certain
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00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:12,760
result, but this result is
necessarily limited and has no
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particular interest for those
who, through their inner
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development, spontaneously
receive powers of which they
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have a higher knowledge, not a
mechanical one.
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It is not for someone who is
truly a Yogi.
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It has no interest except that
of curiosity.
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It is interesting only for
people who are precisely not
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yogis and who want to have
certain powers which in fact
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they have in a very limited way.
It is always limited.
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What is special about it is that
it has a direct action upon
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matter, while usually, apart
from some rare exceptions, with
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people who have spiritual
powers, yogic powers, it acts
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through the intermediary of the
mental forces, usually either
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00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,880
spiritual or mental forces,
sometimes of the vital forces,
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00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,800
more rarely, but not directly
upon matter, except naturally
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00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,000
with those who have done yoga in
matter.
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But these are exceptional cases
of which one doesn't speak.
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These things put into motion
certain small entities which are
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usually the result of the
decomposition of human beings,
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and yet have a sufficient
contact with the material world
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to be able to act there.
But anyhow, if the action is of
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a lower order, the power is of a
lower order, and it is something
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almost repugnant for one who is
truly in relation with the
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higher forces.
End Quote Reference Sri
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00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,280
Aurobindo and the Mother, The
Hidden Forces of Life, Chapter
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00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:56,680
5, Occult Forces, pages 103 to
105.
00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,320
There is considerable confusion
between the concept of occultism
2
00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,040
and the idea of the practice of
magic.
3
00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,280
Whether considered white magic
or black magic, Occultism
4
00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,160
essentially is the science of
dealing with forces subliminal
5
00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,720
to our outer senses, but
nevertheless active and acting
6
00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,680
upon our being on the material
plane.
7
00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:32,880
Electricity is essentially an
occult force, working unseen but
8
00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,280
having palpable results of its
action.
9
00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,440
Those who learn how to generate,
channel, and put electricity to
10
00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:45,480
work are essentially practicing
occultism on the material plane.
11
00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,280
Similarly, there are forces that
act on the vital or mental
12
00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:56,320
planes, or even on the spiritual
planes that, while unobserved by
13
00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,280
our external senses,
nevertheless have their impact,
14
00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,720
follow their own laws of
development of action, and can
15
00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,280
be studied, harnessed and
utilized by those who take up
16
00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,960
the study of occultism.
Magic, on the other hand, is
17
00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:18,960
essentially a cookbook of
processes that are developed
18
00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:24,280
using various words, gestures,
symbols and prescribed actions
19
00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,200
designed to invoke a particular
energy or perhaps a vital being
20
00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,680
to accomplish some fixed task
set by the practitioner of
21
00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,520
magic, the Mother writes.
Quote.
22
00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,000
You must not mix up magic with
occultism.
23
00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,840
Occultism is a science and it is
the knowledge of invisible
24
00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,720
forces and the capacity to
handle them, as one has the
25
00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,000
capacity of handling material
forces if one has studied them
26
00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,960
scientifically.
Magic.
27
00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,960
These are different kinds of
processes which were fixed
28
00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,120
probably by people who had a
certain knowledge and still more
29
00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,240
a certain power of vital
formation.
30
00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,080
These things can be learned
without having any special
31
00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,360
capacity.
That is, someone who has no
32
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,800
inner power can learn this as he
learns chemistry, for example,
33
00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,200
or mathematics.
It is one of the things which
34
00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,960
are learned like that.
It is not a thing one acquires,
35
00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,640
so it doesn't itself carry any
special virtues except the same
36
00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:38,200
kind of qualities as those one
learns through chemical
37
00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,440
manipulations.
You may reproduce these
38
00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,440
manipulations, but if you are an
intelligent and capable being,
39
00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,160
you can, by the help of these
manipulations, obtain an
40
00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,880
interesting and useful result
and in any case be sheltered
41
00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,920
from all danger, whereas if you
are an idiot, misfortunes may
42
00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:04,480
come to you.
It is something similar with the
43
00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,480
help of magical formulas.
One may produce a certain
44
00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:12,760
result, but this result is
necessarily limited and has no
45
00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,480
particular interest for those
who, through their inner
46
00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,440
development, spontaneously
receive powers of which they
47
00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,960
have a higher knowledge, not a
mechanical one.
48
00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,400
It is not for someone who is
truly a Yogi.
49
00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,000
It has no interest except that
of curiosity.
50
00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,960
It is interesting only for
people who are precisely not
51
00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,720
yogis and who want to have
certain powers which in fact
52
00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,440
they have in a very limited way.
It is always limited.
53
00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,880
What is special about it is that
it has a direct action upon
54
00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,120
matter, while usually, apart
from some rare exceptions, with
55
00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,600
people who have spiritual
powers, yogic powers, it acts
56
00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,680
through the intermediary of the
mental forces, usually either
57
00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,880
spiritual or mental forces,
sometimes of the vital forces,
58
00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,800
more rarely, but not directly
upon matter, except naturally
59
00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,000
with those who have done yoga in
matter.
60
00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,440
But these are exceptional cases
of which one doesn't speak.
61
00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,560
These things put into motion
certain small entities which are
62
00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,920
usually the result of the
decomposition of human beings,
63
00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,880
and yet have a sufficient
contact with the material world
64
00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,320
to be able to act there.
But anyhow, if the action is of
65
00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,400
a lower order, the power is of a
lower order, and it is something
66
00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,680
almost repugnant for one who is
truly in relation with the
67
00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,520
higher forces.
End Quote Reference Sri
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00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,280
Aurobindo and the Mother, The
Hidden Forces of Life, Chapter
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00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:56,680
5, Occult Forces, pages 103 to
105.
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