April 9, 2025
Distinguishing an Attitude of Equality From One of Indifference
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, Looking from Within, Chapter 2, Looking at Oneself and Others, pp. 45-47This episode is also available as a blog post at https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2025/04/07/distinguishing-an-attitude-of-equality-from-one-of-indifference/
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1
00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,960
The mental framework frequently
wants to find an either or
2
00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,680
option rather than looking at
the nuance needed to resolve
3
00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,080
multiple views of pending
questions.
4
00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,480
Thus, when we are asked to
consider achieving a poise of
5
00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,480
equality in the face of
provocation of any sort,
6
00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,040
positive or negative, we will
tend to shift toward a poise of
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00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,840
indifference and thereby give up
the initiative to action.
8
00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,920
It is difficult for us to
conceive of maintaining such a
9
00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,600
standpoint and at the same time
engaging in the action needed to
10
00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,040
fight for a principle or to
achieve the evolutionary goal
11
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,240
before us.
This was the conundrum that
12
00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,480
paralyzed Arjuna on the
battlefield.
13
00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:51,080
When he said I will not fight.
Sri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita
14
00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,880
provided the answer to Arjuna.
He was not to demonize the
15
00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,280
opposition, but he was to fight
for the principle of truth and
16
00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,680
be ready to kill the opponents,
even those who were respected
17
00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,880
and honoured, elders and
teachers and family members.
18
00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,960
A tough lesson to be sure.
It is easy to become upset, to
19
00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:19,720
claim the enemy before us as a
demon or somehow utterly evil
20
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,920
and worthy to be destroyed.
We may feel we are fighting for
21
00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,440
the truth, but this leads to the
question, particularly in
22
00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,040
complex areas that have
balancing aspects on each side,
23
00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,520
of whether we are impartial
enough to actually judge the
24
00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,240
truth of the situation, and if
so, are we ready to meet the
25
00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,600
challenge and do so without
demonizing the opponent?
26
00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,320
If we take a longer view, we can
see the arc of evolution tending
27
00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,960
towards greater understanding,
more harmony in our interactions
28
00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,640
with others and with nature, and
with more compassion and empathy
29
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,200
as we identify suffering.
This does not imply that most of
30
00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,600
humanity has adopted these
principles as a basis for their
31
00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,200
actions.
It means that more people have
32
00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,400
been aware of these issues and
aspire towards realizing them in
33
00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,360
circumstances that are both
complex and mired in the ways of
34
00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,640
the past.
Change does not come easily,
35
00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,520
quickly, or on a scale that
transforms life all at once.
36
00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,800
This basic understanding
represents a true sense of the
37
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,080
purpose of our lives and the
direction that we can support.
38
00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:44,080
Similarly, the apparent increase
in power of retrogressive forces
39
00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:47,960
does not imply that the
evolutionary change has failed
40
00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,160
or been reversed.
Rather, it may paradoxically
41
00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,680
show that the evolutionary trend
is gaining steam and those
42
00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,960
wedded to the old ways and
habits are fighting with all
43
00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,080
their power to derail the
changes.
44
00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,960
Fioro Vendo notes quote No doubt
hatred and cursing are not the
45
00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,640
proper attitude.
It is true also that to look
46
00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:18,600
upon all things and all people
with a calm and clear vision to
47
00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,080
be uninvolved and impartial in
one's judgments is a quite
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00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,520
proper yogic attitude.
A condition of perfect samata
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00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:32,400
can be established in which one
sees all as equal, friends and
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enemies included, and is not
disturbed by what men do or by
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00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,680
what happens.
The question is whether this is
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00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,440
all that is demanded from us.
If so, then the general attitude
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00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,000
will be of a neutral
indifference to everything.
54
00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,560
But the Gita, which strongly
insists on a perfect and
55
00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,760
absolute samatta, goes on to say
fight, destroy the adversary,
56
00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,680
conquer.
If there is no kind of general
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00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,880
action wanted, no loyalty to
truth as against falsehood,
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except for one's personal
sadhna, no will for the truth to
59
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,760
conquer, then the summit or
indifference will suffice.
60
00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,680
But here there is a work to be
done, a truth to be established,
61
00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,600
against which immense forces are
arranged, invisible forces which
62
00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,840
can use visible things and
persons and actions for their
63
00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:33,520
instruments.
If one is among the disciples,
64
00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,040
the seekers of this truth, one
has to take sides for the truth,
65
00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,240
to stand against the forces that
attack it and seek to stifle it.
66
00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,080
Arjuna wanted not to stand for
either side, to refuse any
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00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,120
action of hostility even against
assailants.
68
00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:57,080
Sri Krishna, who insisted so
much on samata, strongly rebuked
69
00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,200
his attitude and insisted
equally on his fighting the
70
00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,040
adversary.
Have Samata, he said, and seeing
71
00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:10,200
clearly the truth, fight.
Therefore to take sides with the
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00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,400
truth and to refuse to concede
anything to the falsehood that
73
00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,040
attacks, To be unflinchingly
loyal and against the hostiles
74
00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,200
and the attackers is not
inconsistent with equality.
75
00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,000
It is personal, an egoistic
feeling that has to be thrown
76
00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,520
away.
Hatred and vital ill will have
77
00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,960
to be rejected, but loyalty and
refusal to compromise with the
78
00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,400
assailants and the hostiles, or
to dally with their ideas and
79
00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,800
demands and say, after all, we
can compromise with what they
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00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,400
ask from us, or to accept them
as companions and our own
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00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,960
people.
These things have a great
82
00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,560
importance.
It is a spiritual battle, inward
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00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,320
and outward.
By neutrality and compromise or
84
00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,720
even passivity, one may allow
the enemy forces to pass and
85
00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,960
crush down the truth and its
children.
86
00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,880
If you look at it from this
point, you will see that if the
87
00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,600
inner spiritual equality is
right, the active loyalty and
88
00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,440
firm taking of sides is as
right, and the two cannot be
89
00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,000
incompatible.
End Quote.
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Reference Srioro Bindu and the
Mother, Looking from Within,
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00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,520
Chapter 2.
Looking at Oneself and Others,
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00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,160
pages 45 to 47.
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The mental framework frequently
wants to find an either or
2
00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,680
option rather than looking at
the nuance needed to resolve
3
00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,080
multiple views of pending
questions.
4
00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,480
Thus, when we are asked to
consider achieving a poise of
5
00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,480
equality in the face of
provocation of any sort,
6
00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,040
positive or negative, we will
tend to shift toward a poise of
7
00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,840
indifference and thereby give up
the initiative to action.
8
00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,920
It is difficult for us to
conceive of maintaining such a
9
00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,600
standpoint and at the same time
engaging in the action needed to
10
00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,040
fight for a principle or to
achieve the evolutionary goal
11
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,240
before us.
This was the conundrum that
12
00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,480
paralyzed Arjuna on the
battlefield.
13
00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:51,080
When he said I will not fight.
Sri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita
14
00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,880
provided the answer to Arjuna.
He was not to demonize the
15
00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,280
opposition, but he was to fight
for the principle of truth and
16
00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,680
be ready to kill the opponents,
even those who were respected
17
00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,880
and honoured, elders and
teachers and family members.
18
00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,960
A tough lesson to be sure.
It is easy to become upset, to
19
00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:19,720
claim the enemy before us as a
demon or somehow utterly evil
20
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,920
and worthy to be destroyed.
We may feel we are fighting for
21
00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,440
the truth, but this leads to the
question, particularly in
22
00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,040
complex areas that have
balancing aspects on each side,
23
00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,520
of whether we are impartial
enough to actually judge the
24
00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,240
truth of the situation, and if
so, are we ready to meet the
25
00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,600
challenge and do so without
demonizing the opponent?
26
00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,320
If we take a longer view, we can
see the arc of evolution tending
27
00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,960
towards greater understanding,
more harmony in our interactions
28
00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,640
with others and with nature, and
with more compassion and empathy
29
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,200
as we identify suffering.
This does not imply that most of
30
00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,600
humanity has adopted these
principles as a basis for their
31
00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,200
actions.
It means that more people have
32
00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,400
been aware of these issues and
aspire towards realizing them in
33
00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,360
circumstances that are both
complex and mired in the ways of
34
00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,640
the past.
Change does not come easily,
35
00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,520
quickly, or on a scale that
transforms life all at once.
36
00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,800
This basic understanding
represents a true sense of the
37
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,080
purpose of our lives and the
direction that we can support.
38
00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:44,080
Similarly, the apparent increase
in power of retrogressive forces
39
00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:47,960
does not imply that the
evolutionary change has failed
40
00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,160
or been reversed.
Rather, it may paradoxically
41
00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,680
show that the evolutionary trend
is gaining steam and those
42
00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,960
wedded to the old ways and
habits are fighting with all
43
00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,080
their power to derail the
changes.
44
00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,960
Fioro Vendo notes quote No doubt
hatred and cursing are not the
45
00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,640
proper attitude.
It is true also that to look
46
00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:18,600
upon all things and all people
with a calm and clear vision to
47
00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,080
be uninvolved and impartial in
one's judgments is a quite
48
00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,520
proper yogic attitude.
A condition of perfect samata
49
00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:32,400
can be established in which one
sees all as equal, friends and
50
00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:38,080
enemies included, and is not
disturbed by what men do or by
51
00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,680
what happens.
The question is whether this is
52
00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,440
all that is demanded from us.
If so, then the general attitude
53
00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,000
will be of a neutral
indifference to everything.
54
00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,560
But the Gita, which strongly
insists on a perfect and
55
00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,760
absolute samatta, goes on to say
fight, destroy the adversary,
56
00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,680
conquer.
If there is no kind of general
57
00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,880
action wanted, no loyalty to
truth as against falsehood,
58
00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,200
except for one's personal
sadhna, no will for the truth to
59
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,760
conquer, then the summit or
indifference will suffice.
60
00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,680
But here there is a work to be
done, a truth to be established,
61
00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,600
against which immense forces are
arranged, invisible forces which
62
00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,840
can use visible things and
persons and actions for their
63
00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:33,520
instruments.
If one is among the disciples,
64
00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,040
the seekers of this truth, one
has to take sides for the truth,
65
00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,240
to stand against the forces that
attack it and seek to stifle it.
66
00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,080
Arjuna wanted not to stand for
either side, to refuse any
67
00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,120
action of hostility even against
assailants.
68
00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:57,080
Sri Krishna, who insisted so
much on samata, strongly rebuked
69
00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,200
his attitude and insisted
equally on his fighting the
70
00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,040
adversary.
Have Samata, he said, and seeing
71
00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:10,200
clearly the truth, fight.
Therefore to take sides with the
72
00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,400
truth and to refuse to concede
anything to the falsehood that
73
00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,040
attacks, To be unflinchingly
loyal and against the hostiles
74
00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,200
and the attackers is not
inconsistent with equality.
75
00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,000
It is personal, an egoistic
feeling that has to be thrown
76
00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,520
away.
Hatred and vital ill will have
77
00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,960
to be rejected, but loyalty and
refusal to compromise with the
78
00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,400
assailants and the hostiles, or
to dally with their ideas and
79
00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,800
demands and say, after all, we
can compromise with what they
80
00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,400
ask from us, or to accept them
as companions and our own
81
00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,960
people.
These things have a great
82
00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,560
importance.
It is a spiritual battle, inward
83
00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,320
and outward.
By neutrality and compromise or
84
00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,720
even passivity, one may allow
the enemy forces to pass and
85
00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,960
crush down the truth and its
children.
86
00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,880
If you look at it from this
point, you will see that if the
87
00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,600
inner spiritual equality is
right, the active loyalty and
88
00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,440
firm taking of sides is as
right, and the two cannot be
89
00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,000
incompatible.
End Quote.
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00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,120
Reference Srioro Bindu and the
Mother, Looking from Within,
91
00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,520
Chapter 2.
Looking at Oneself and Others,
92
00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,160
pages 45 to 47.
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