June 2, 2025
Depression and Spiritual Progress
reference: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, Looking from Within , Chapter 4, Ordeals and Difficulties, pp..94-95This episode is also available as a blog post at https://sriaurobindostudies.wordpress.com/2025/05/31/depression-and-spiritual-progress/
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We are all subject to the action
of the three gunas or qualities
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of nature.
They are always shifting as they
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shift.
Our outlook, mood, physical
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responsiveness, vital energy and
mental framework all undergo
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corresponding changes.
None of the three gunas remains
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constantly in the forefront.
So there will be times when we
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are ruled by sattva and other
times by rajas or tamas.
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When Thomas comes to the front,
we can experience various forms
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of dullness, fatigue, tiredness
of body, vital force and mind.
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00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,280
Naturally, in such a status, it
is easy to experience the state
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00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,320
of depression.
Inner work needs to continue,
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00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,280
particularly the aspiration,
patience and perseverance that
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reminds us that there are
brighter times ahead once the
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Thomas lifts.
During this time, the Sadhna
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continues, even though on the
surface we are not focused on
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this or attending to it due to
the influence of Thomas.
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Once the Temasek energy shifts,
we can observe the progress that
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has taken place in the interim.
As long as we remain under the
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control of the Gunas, we remain
fixed in the actions of the
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nature procrity.
If we shift to the standpoint of
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the witness consciousness, we
can create a space of separation
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for ourselves whereby we can
observe the play of the gunas
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and the changing moods and
energies that they bring to the
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nature while remaining free and
unaffected in our inner being.
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The more we identify with this
external being, the more we tend
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to suffer as we undergo these
constant changes and their
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impact, the mother observes.
Quote Depression is a sign of
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weakness of a bad will
somewhere, and bad will in the
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sense of a refusal to receive
help and a kind of weakness
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that's content to be weak.
One becomes slack.
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The bad will is obvious because
there's a part of your being
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which tells you at that moment
depression is bad.
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You know that you shouldn't get
depressed.
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Well, the reply of that part
which is depressed is almost
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shut up.
I want my depression.
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Try, you will see.
You can try.
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It is always like that.
And then later one says again
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afterwards, afterwards.
I shall see.
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For the moment I want it.
And besides, I have my reasons.
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There you are.
It is a kind of revolt, a weak
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revolt, the revolt of something
weak in the being when one comes
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out of the depression in one's
bad will.
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Well, then one realizes that
there was an attack and that
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some progress had to be made,
and that in spite of everything,
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something within has made
progress, that one has taken a
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00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,480
step forward, usually hardly
consciously.
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It is something which needs to
progress but doesn't want to,
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and so takes this way like a
child who sulks, becomes low
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spirited, sad, unhappy,
misunderstood, abandoned,
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helpless and then refusing to
collaborate and as I just said,
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indulging in his depression to
show that he is not happy.
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It is specially in order to show
that one is not satisfied that
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one becomes depressed.
One can show it to nature, one
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can show it.
That depends on the case you
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see.
One can show it to the Divine,
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one can show it to the people
around 1:00, but it is always a
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kind of way of expressing one's
dissatisfaction.
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I am not happy about what you
demand that this means I am not
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happy, and I shall make you see
to it that I am not happy.
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But when it is over, and when
for some reason or other one has
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00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,120
made the necessary effort to
come out of it and has come out,
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when usually realized that
something in the being has
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changed.
Because in spite of all bedwill,
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most often the progress was
accomplished not very swiftly,
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not very brilliantly, not for
one's greater glory, surely, but
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still the progress was made.
Something has changed.
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End Quote.
Reference Srioro Bindu and the
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Mother, Looking from Within,
Chapter 4, Ordeals and
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Difficulties, pages 94 to 95.
00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,400
We are all subject to the action
of the three gunas or qualities
2
00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,200
of nature.
They are always shifting as they
3
00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,840
shift.
Our outlook, mood, physical
4
00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,160
responsiveness, vital energy and
mental framework all undergo
5
00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,240
corresponding changes.
None of the three gunas remains
6
00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:24,120
constantly in the forefront.
So there will be times when we
7
00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,240
are ruled by sattva and other
times by rajas or tamas.
8
00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,040
When Thomas comes to the front,
we can experience various forms
9
00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:39,160
of dullness, fatigue, tiredness
of body, vital force and mind.
10
00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,280
Naturally, in such a status, it
is easy to experience the state
11
00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,320
of depression.
Inner work needs to continue,
12
00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,280
particularly the aspiration,
patience and perseverance that
13
00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,280
reminds us that there are
brighter times ahead once the
14
00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,040
Thomas lifts.
During this time, the Sadhna
15
00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,239
continues, even though on the
surface we are not focused on
16
00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:09,120
this or attending to it due to
the influence of Thomas.
17
00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,560
Once the Temasek energy shifts,
we can observe the progress that
18
00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,240
has taken place in the interim.
As long as we remain under the
19
00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,840
control of the Gunas, we remain
fixed in the actions of the
20
00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,120
nature procrity.
If we shift to the standpoint of
21
00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,280
the witness consciousness, we
can create a space of separation
22
00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,040
for ourselves whereby we can
observe the play of the gunas
23
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,280
and the changing moods and
energies that they bring to the
24
00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,680
nature while remaining free and
unaffected in our inner being.
25
00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,560
The more we identify with this
external being, the more we tend
26
00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,440
to suffer as we undergo these
constant changes and their
27
00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:57,440
impact, the mother observes.
Quote Depression is a sign of
28
00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,160
weakness of a bad will
somewhere, and bad will in the
29
00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,080
sense of a refusal to receive
help and a kind of weakness
30
00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,000
that's content to be weak.
One becomes slack.
31
00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,720
The bad will is obvious because
there's a part of your being
32
00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,160
which tells you at that moment
depression is bad.
33
00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,040
You know that you shouldn't get
depressed.
34
00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,120
Well, the reply of that part
which is depressed is almost
35
00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,560
shut up.
I want my depression.
36
00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,720
Try, you will see.
You can try.
37
00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,000
It is always like that.
And then later one says again
38
00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,440
afterwards, afterwards.
I shall see.
39
00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,000
For the moment I want it.
And besides, I have my reasons.
40
00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,720
There you are.
It is a kind of revolt, a weak
41
00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,960
revolt, the revolt of something
weak in the being when one comes
42
00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,080
out of the depression in one's
bad will.
43
00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,840
Well, then one realizes that
there was an attack and that
44
00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,720
some progress had to be made,
and that in spite of everything,
45
00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,400
something within has made
progress, that one has taken a
46
00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,480
step forward, usually hardly
consciously.
47
00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,200
It is something which needs to
progress but doesn't want to,
48
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,200
and so takes this way like a
child who sulks, becomes low
49
00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:21,600
spirited, sad, unhappy,
misunderstood, abandoned,
50
00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:27,400
helpless and then refusing to
collaborate and as I just said,
51
00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,440
indulging in his depression to
show that he is not happy.
52
00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,960
It is specially in order to show
that one is not satisfied that
53
00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,320
one becomes depressed.
One can show it to nature, one
54
00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,600
can show it.
That depends on the case you
55
00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,080
see.
One can show it to the Divine,
56
00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,600
one can show it to the people
around 1:00, but it is always a
57
00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,560
kind of way of expressing one's
dissatisfaction.
58
00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,520
I am not happy about what you
demand that this means I am not
59
00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,600
happy, and I shall make you see
to it that I am not happy.
60
00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,600
But when it is over, and when
for some reason or other one has
61
00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,120
made the necessary effort to
come out of it and has come out,
62
00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,720
when usually realized that
something in the being has
63
00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,360
changed.
Because in spite of all bedwill,
64
00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,880
most often the progress was
accomplished not very swiftly,
65
00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,720
not very brilliantly, not for
one's greater glory, surely, but
66
00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,120
still the progress was made.
Something has changed.
67
00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,520
End Quote.
Reference Srioro Bindu and the
68
00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,240
Mother, Looking from Within,
Chapter 4, Ordeals and
69
00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,920
Difficulties, pages 94 to 95.
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