Challenges We Face Individually, Collective and in the World at Large in Light of the Mother's Work

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So the Cultural Integration
Fellowship, which is sponsoring

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this program, was founded by
Doctor Hari Das and Beena

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Chowdhury, And I have a personal
relationship to that.

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When I came to the United States
to take up this work actively in

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the 1970s, there were a few
centers around run by

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forerunners, you could say, who
came here and presented the

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teachings of Shrioro Bindu and
the mother and developed various

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things.
There was the Sedona Center with

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AB Purani.
There was Mata Giri with Eric

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and Sam and Doctor Tyberg in Los
Angeles and Hari Dawson, Vina

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Chaudhary in San Francisco.
And what's interesting is that

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all of those forerunners had
their own unique perspective on

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things and started various
centers and programs and

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lectures, whatever.
But Doctor Chaudhary had a

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larger vision.
He didn't found a center, he

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started an institution.
And that institution is vibrant,

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active and powerful in the world
today through the California

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Institute as well as the
Cultural Integration Fellowship,

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in bringing this new light into
the world.

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In the 1970s, I was living in
Southern California.

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I had a much closer relationship
with the East West Center at

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that time.
But whenever I came to San

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Francisco, I would meet with
Doctor Chaudhary.

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I've stayed at the Fulton Street
address at the Cultural

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Integration Fellowship when
Pondici gave his talks there.

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I was present at that.
And at various times I assisted

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Dr. Chowdhury to my great
benefit in running his book

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table for him when he was giving
lectures at various places.

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So the relationship was very
close and very formative for me

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as a young person to come into
the sphere of influence of such

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a a luminary.
And so I am so grateful and so

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moved by the work that he has
done and that Bina carried on

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that It's my pleasure to
introduce our speaker today,

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which is Santosh Krinsky on the
platform of the Cultural

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Integration Fellowship.
I don't have any wise words or

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sayings or poems from Doctor
Choudhury which our friend

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Kundan normally presents.
So with that, I think we'll just

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get started.
Oh together may He protect us,

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together may He possess us.
Together may we make unto US

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strength and virility.
May our study be full to us of

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light and power.
May we never hate Ohm.

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Peace, peace, peace.
So the topic today is we live in

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challenging times.
What do we do about it?

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How do we face that?
People think that there are so

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many dangers, so many risks, so
many problems in the world that

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it's impossible for little
people like us to do anything

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about it.
And on the same token, we often

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feel victimized by those forces
and we feel stress, we feel

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anxiety, we're worried.
In many cases, those macro

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forces impact us in our daily
lives, whether we want to

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recognize it or not.
We think, well, I don't get

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involved in politics and I'm not
involved in the whole economic

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thing and I can't solve war and
peace, so I'll just go and do my

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little thing somewhere and try
to pretend it doesn't exist and

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doesn't affect me, but it does.
The pollution of our

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environment, the microplastics
are entering everybody's body

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and changing the DNA of
humanity.

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We may think that we're immune
to that, but we're not.

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It's affecting us and the issues
of war and peace, with the mass

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migrations, with the destruction
that's taking place, the climate

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change, that some people simply
say that if we ignore it, it

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will go away.
But the effects are real.

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Several years ago, we had a
pandemic and the whole world

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basically went through a trauma
and society's virtually shut

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down and every person on the
planet was essentially affected

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by it.
Some of these things happen

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because of changed disease
vectors that occur because of

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climate change.
Some of these things occur

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because of the chemicals that
we're putting into our lives and

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into our world.
Some of these things happen

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through pure greed and
mismanagement of the vital

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nature of humanity.
Where some people just feel like

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they have to take over and
control everything and everyone

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else can just starve and suffer
and die.

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So it affects the world, it also
affects us.

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And we say, well, these are
unique challenges, and in a

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certain way they are, but in a
certain other way, they are part

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of the pressure of the birth of
a new consciousness.

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If we look back when things are
going easy, when everything's

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fine and, you know, we've got
money and we've got our lives

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and our friends and our family
and we feel good, we frequently

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forget sadhna.
We frequently forget to focus on

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the spiritual efforts that we
need to make.

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Life is too easy.
We want to kick back and enjoy

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it, and that's OK.
That's that's human nature.

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But it takes that pressure of
circumstance to force us to do

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something different.
In the darkest of times, we find

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that the greatest spiritual
progress can take place.

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Just think about it.
The Bhagwad Gita, one of the

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greatest texts on how to live
human life and take up a

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spiritual standpoint in life,
was presented on the battlefield

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of a great civil war where
teachers and disciples were

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going to be killing each other,
where elders and grandparents

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were going to be killing their
grandchildren and vice versa.

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And yet this great spiritual
text was brought forward at that

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time, coming a little closer to
our age and time in the 19 teens

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we suffered through the war to
end all wars, World War One.

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It was terrible.
It was horrible.

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I don't remember it personally,
but I've heard a council of it.

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And if we look and see, Shrioro
Bindo was alive at that time and

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he didn't feel victimized.
He didn't feel like there was

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nothing he could do.
He was writing the Life Divine

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in the midst of that darkness.
Think about that.

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He was writing the Life Divine.
In World War Two, another one of

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these major disasters, the
Mother took up the challenge and

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started what eventually became
the Mother School, the education

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facility that we see today in
Pondicherry.

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As a result of taking in
families, changing the entire

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nature of the ashram and
expanding her work dramatically.

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We can say, well, OK, she
responded, she didn't look like

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a victim there, she responded to
it.

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I won't get into the action that
Trioral Bindo was taking from

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his room.
The focus he made on bringing

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down and focusing a greater
light to confront that greatest

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darkness.
But it was there he rose to that

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challenge, and he met that
challenge with spiritual

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development and growth, not just
for himself, but for humanity.

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During that time, Trioro Binda
was writing Savitri, a legend

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and a symbol.
What better answer to the Nazi

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Holocaust than to bring down the
light that Savi tree represents

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for all of humanity and its
future.

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During the 1950s, we had the
Cold War, we had nuclear bombs

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being tested.
We had the Korean War, we had

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all kinds of cataclysms that
were intensifying the pressure

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in our world, and during the
1950's the mother declared the

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descent of the Super mental
consciousness into the material

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world.
How do we understand these

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juxtapositions between great
darkness and consciousness?

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During the 1960s, worldwide
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Societies were thrown into
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There were riots, there were
mass protests, there was the

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Vietnam War and its effects all
over the world, and the mother

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founded Oroville.
In each instance, people

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experienced tremendous pressure,
and the response was to go

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deeper, to dig deeper, to focus
more intensely on the birth of

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the new consciousness that
needed to come about.

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You know, I'm reminded of
Charles Dickens in his Tale of

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Two Cities.
He wrote, it was the best of

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times, it was the worst of
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And that pretty much summarizes
it for us.

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So we think that we're living in
a time of great upheaval and

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disaster and difficulty and we
don't know what's going to

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happen.
That's true.

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We are.
And that's our opportunity to

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step up to the birth of the new
consciousness.

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The the challenges we face are
unable to be solved by the

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physical consciousness, by the
vital consciousness, or even by

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the mental consciousness.
When we try to do that with the

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mental consciousness, we come up
with gridlock.

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We come up with conflicting
ideas that essentially stop each

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other from acting.
And then the solution to that in

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many people's minds is let's
have a dictator who can just

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tell us what to do and we'll all
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That's not a solution.
It doesn't solve humanity's

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problem.
It's simply creates another

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mental opportunity for
unintended consequences and

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failures.
So at the same time, if we look

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around the world, we see
particularly young people

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yearning for something new,
something different, for a new

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consciousness, for a spiritual
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They abandoned the traditional
churches and they take up

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spiritual practices, whether
it's yoga or Zen or the Chinese

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martial arts or whatever it
might be, because they are

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seeking, They feel this urge to
do something different, to grow

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in a different way.
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what Trioro Bindo called the
adventure of consciousness.

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However people take it up and
whatever method or practice or

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option they choose, they are
exploring consciousness and

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they're doing it because they
can't do otherwise.

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They feel that pressure.
The Mother called for people of

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goodwill, whoever they are, not
devotees of Srioro Bindu and the

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Mother necessarily, but people
of goodwill.

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She said the world is preparing
for a big change.

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Will you help?
What is that change?

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Is it a new economic system?
Is it a new political system?

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Is it a new way of creating
technology that's going to

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magically solve our problems?
No, it's none of those things.

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It's the birth of a new
consciousness that is based in

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what Trioro Bindo called the
Super mental.

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Essentially meaning it is the
consciousness at the next stage

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above the mind.
And this process is part of the

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evolution of nature.
We see life evolving out of

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matter, we see mind evolving out
of life, and we see the Super

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mental evolving out of mind.
And this is the natural

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progression.
The the issue, or the problem if

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you will, is that the pressures
we're under are existential

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pressures.
They're pressures that lead us

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into what we currently see as
the 6th planetary die off in the

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world.
It's an enormous, fast changing,

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powerful destructive force that
can destroy humanity, and we

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can't wait for the long March of
evolution to accomplish this.

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Sri Aurobindo and the Mother
recognize that, and they said

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that through conscious
participation, through yoga,

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through the individual focus, we
can speed up within ourselves

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the natural, slow evolutionary
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And therefore, to meet the
challenge of the times, we are

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all called upon to help to
practice the yoga, to integrate

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this spiritual principle so
deeply embedded in our lives

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that it radiates out from us.
We've all heard of the 100th

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monkey phenomenon, where a
monkey was washing his fruit and

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another monkey took it up and
another one in the same group,

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and then at a certain point
enough monkeys were doing it in

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that group that the whole
world's monkey started washing

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their fruit.
Now whether this is factual or

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some kind of urban legend, it
doesn't really matter because

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the principle is the same.
We live in one unified sphere of

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consciousness, and the more
people that take up this

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practice, the more people who
actually try to live according

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to the force that is descending,
A supra mental force, who try to

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understand the principles of
harmony, the principles of

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collaboration, the principles of
oneness, and who try to live

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according to that, the more
chance we have of creating a

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shield for the world from these
destructive forces.

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Each evolutionary stage involved
tremendous cataclysmic changes,

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and some people say, well, what
can we do to stop all these

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changes?
Actually, some of these changes

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are part of the evolutionary
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When life evolved out of matter,
various forms of matter were.

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Radically changed.
They were no longer what they

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were when they started.
When mind evolved out of life,

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life also changed and matter
changed.

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And now we dig into the genetic
code and we do all kinds of gene

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splicing and we design new
things, we create new things, we

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create new forms of matter.
Microsoft the other day came out

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and said they've developed a new
form of, of matter other than

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the ones that we're used to.
Someone else found out that

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light was now able to be
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just the three or four that
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So mind changes life and matter,
and we have to expect that the

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Super mind, the Super mental
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matter itself.
How is it going to do that?

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What impact does it have?
We saw in World War 2 that the

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cities of Germany were totally
destroyed through day and night,

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carpet bombing, total
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powerful society.
That doesn't justify the

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suffering, but it points out
that in some cases, in most

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cases, you have to remove
obstacles that our habits, that

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our ways of doing things that
our institutions have created

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that are no longer solutions to
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They say that humanity is always
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next one, and it's the same way
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societies and consciousness and
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We're trained as young children
and all through our lives to

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live a certain way based on the
institutions and the forms that

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have accreted over time and
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And yet these very forms, in
many cases are are the obstacles

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to the next evolution.
And so our challenge is, can we

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find ways to evolve without
necessarily disrupting the whole

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world with suffering and change
those institutions?

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Or are the cataclysmic type of
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the way of the divine to clear
the deck, so to speak, so that

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the new consciousness can
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Now there's probably some truth
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So it's something for us to to
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Not all destruction is bad if it
is taking away things that are

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hindering the next step.
It needs to be done now to to

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give sort of a gruesome example
of in the 1700s in France they

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had a king and they had
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everything and the people were
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They were totally destitute.
They had no political power,

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they had no economic power.
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of ease and joy, with endless
amounts of money they could

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spend on frivolous things.
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so aggrieved with their own
poverty and destitution and

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suffering that they undertook
what we know of as the French

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Revolution.
And they employed A destructive

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technique called Madame le
Guillotine to ensure that those

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aristocrats could not retake and
regain that power over them.

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Now, I'm not a revolutionary in
the sense of lopping off

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people's heads, but I use that
as an example of what happens to

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forward change in the world.
Now we can see and we can we can

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even argue that the people who
took over after the king and the

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aristocrats were gone had their
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In fact, they reproduced a lot
of the abuses at their level

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that the former king and
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grew up in that system.
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system.
They simply replaced the rulers

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of the system.
And so that was not a solution.

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We see today in the world
retrogressive forces, forces

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that say we want to go back to
the way it was 50 years ago or

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100 years ago.
That was such a better time.

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Well, what they're really saying
is that change has moved so

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quickly in our society that they
cannot address it or adapt to

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it.
They have a conservative

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mindset, habituated and
acculturated in a particular way

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of seeing and doing things.
And the fact that life in the

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1920s and life today are so
different than people born in

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the 1920s who are still alive,
find it virtually impossible to

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recognize the world and and deal
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They feel lost.
They feel like what is going on?

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Everything is moving so quickly.
We've got rocket ships, we go to

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the moon.
We've got atomic weapons and

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we've got threats.
We've got genetic engineering.

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We've got pandemics.
What what's going on here?

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We've got technology we can't
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We've got AI that is able to,
I'll think most of us.

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So of course, people who grew up
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that societal background, in
that economic and political

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background find it impossible.
It's like, well, back in those

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days we didn't have black people
running things.

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We didn't have women out there
making themselves known in the

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society.
We didn't have all those things.

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These are just terrible things.
These people think they're not

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terrible things.
They're progress of humanity

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recognizing our inherent oneness
and the oneness of our mental,

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vital and physical capabilities,
regardless of the physical form

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that we happen to take.
But that resistance creates a

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lot of problems.
And the reason it creates

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problems is that essentially
these are the people with the

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power.
They've got the government in

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their hands, they make the laws,
they enforce the laws, they've

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got policing power, they've got
economic power.

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And those who have used that and
developed and implemented these

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new technologies have tremendous
powers of control over all of

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the workings of society.
And so they think the solution

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to all this is to suppress all
these progressive things that

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are going on and create a new
aristocracy and a new

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dictatorship.
And they think that by doing

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that, the world will be a better
place, a better place 100 years

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ago.
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It isn't going to happen.
It's not the movement and trend

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of history.
So the mother says the world is

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preparing for a big change.
We recognize that.

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We see the change.
We see the opposition to the

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change.
And so the question then is what

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can we do?
And the first thing is sincerity

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in the practice of the yoga
within ourselves.

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And the second thing is
radiating that into whatever

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spheres of society you're in.
In a time of great darkness, we

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need to spread light.
In a time of ignorance, we need

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to bring forth knowledge.
In a time of ugliness, we need

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to manifest beauty.
In a time of disharmony, we need

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to manifest harmony.
In a time of hatred, we need to

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express love.
If we do those things, we will

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have an impact.
We think we're just small people

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and we're hidden away.
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universal, and the more
powerfully we integrate these

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things into our awareness and
consciousness, the more

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powerfully we act upon them.
The more powerfully we stand up

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for these principles, the more
impact it has.

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You may not see it with all the
chest beating and trumpets

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blaring and drums drumming
everywhere of the vital

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consciousness trying to hold on
and hang on in its last gasp of

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trying to manage the world.
You may not see it, but it's

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active nevertheless.
That is why the mother could

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declare that the Super mental
consciousness has manifested in

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matter and we see the changes
over time, the evolutionary

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changes that are happening with
revolutionary speed, the

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yearning of the young people for
spiritual development, the

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growth of a movement around the
world towards understanding and

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oneness and mutuality.
Despite the control of oligarchs

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and Dragons who sit on huge
piles of money and let everyone

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else starve, we see this.
We can't control them, but we

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can be true to what we see, what
we understand, and what we know.

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The new consciousness is
farther, seeing wider, harmonize

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conflicting ideas, and able to
see a way forward that we cannot

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see with our mental
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It's able to resolve imbalances.
And so if we align ourselves

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with that, if we begin to try to
widen our perspective, become

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more inclusive, look at the
habits that are ingrained within

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ourselves, that maybe just read
these instant reactions.

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And as we look from within, we
say, oh, maybe I can change that

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reaction within myself.
And who knows?

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You or I or some other person we
don't yet know becomes that

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100th monkey who flips the
script unconsciousness on the

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planet.
We see the catastrophic forces.

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I look at it as the birth pangs
of the new consciousness.

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Any woman who has undergone
birth of a child knows what I'm

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talking about.
The birth pangs, I know it's

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sort of vicariously because I
was there when my wife gave

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birth to her two children and it
was pretty intense.

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It was very intense.
They say that the pain threshold

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that women undergo in childbirth
is greater than the pain

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threshold or virtually any other
pain that we undergo.

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And yet they they do this and
bring forth new life and New

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Hope.
Swami Vivekananda tells us be

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fearless.
The mother asked us to

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collaborate in the changes, side
with the future.

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If it seems impossible, if the
existential threat seems bigger,

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it's because the opportunity is
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So what can we do?
We need to not surrender to the

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darkness.
We need to not give up hope.

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And the Mother confronted the
forces, and they brought light,

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and they brought harmony.
And they've told us the way

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forward.
The Mother set the stark truth

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before us.
We have an existential choice,

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she said.
Truth or the abyss.

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And that's our challenge.
So thank you.

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Let's open it up for discussion
and questions.

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And I'm not really experienced
with all these hand raisings and

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callings on people.
Let's just try it.

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Let's see what happens.
Good morning.

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Thank you so much for the
overview.

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Two things came up that I
thought might be helpful for

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references for future thought
and that is some of us are

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familiar with the human cycle.
And for me, I just say a lot of

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what you have expressed the the
dilemma of the everyday response

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versus the opening to the
descent, what I think Shrier

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Bindo, first of all, many of us
didn't know, we know the

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spiritual side of Shrier Bindo,
We know the poetic side.

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We don't necessarily know his
genius with understanding the

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movements of civilization,
especially political.

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So for me, it just gives you
that Longview so that you can

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see forces like you were saying
when just in our time, but in a

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longer period of forces coming
together, what creates that

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tipping point?
So it it helped me, let's say

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context, it really helped and
and I'm just putting that out to

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the group.
And the last thing that you were

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quoting a lot about from the
Mother in her view of what's

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happening and, and how to
prepare or how to do your

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practice in the Mother's vision,
there's actually a passage about

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how to deal with catastrophe,
which mirrors a lot of what

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you've said today.
That and, and she says she uses

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it specifically and says Sri
Rabindra did this during World

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War 2.
So what I'm trying to say is

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that you have brought through a
context and a view that is

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really practical and can really
support not only our individual

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practice, but our collective.
And as someone who?

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It.
Is not given to a calm

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temperament or is not given to
being objective.

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The practice of yoga makes life
so much more doable.

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And, you know, that's, that's
very true, that the human cycle

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is powerful in its understanding
and widening of our view of the

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movements of civilization.
Actually, in tomorrow's blog

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post, which I was writing this
morning or or maybe this

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morning's blog post, I sometimes
lose track of time.

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There's a passage from the
mother in there and she's

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talking about does the best
always happen?

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OK, Is everything that happens
for the best?

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And what she says is very
interesting.

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After the fact, what happened is
what had to happen.

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But at the time of the event,
depending on your standpoint and

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state of consciousness, you can
impact that.

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And in the blog post I pointed
out that in quantum physics they

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say that the observer changes
the result and so.

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If you look at yourself as a
participant or observer and you

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see that the event coming, you
can change that.

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And so the mother was more or
less describing in human and

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yoga terms the what we see the
scientists describing in quantum

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physics, and that is that you
can change the event by your

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state of consciousness.
That's exactly what she says in

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this writing at the end of the
mother's vision on catastrophe.

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One last thing, you may recall
this more accurately, but I

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think I recall that the mother
said to Shri Rabindo was kind of

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complaining why did it happen
this way?

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And Shri Rabindo said it was the
best the grace could do in the

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circumstances.
Exactly.

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It's it's really true.
We're living in a world that is

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very complex with forces working
over millennia, and we can't

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simply wave a magic wand over it
and expect it all to transform

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magically and instantly into a
land of rainbows.

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I mean, it just doesn't work
like that.

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And so you take incremental
development.

455
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:52,040
You take sometimes unseen
incremental development and

456
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,160
that's why they say you have to
have the faith that what you're

457
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,640
doing is going to have that
longer term benefit.

458
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,360
And that's why I always talk
about what I call the 1%

459
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,760
solution.
And that is, you make 1% change

460
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,720
today, and over 3 or 400 years,
you've got a huge difference in

461
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:22,040
the slope of the change.
So we're not expecting that

462
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:29,800
magically the greed and the
bullying and the anger and all

463
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,040
those other things are magically
going to go away and we're going

464
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,760
to have a world of total
harmony.

465
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,240
We're expecting that over time,
humanity will come to recognize

466
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:46,640
that that is not the way to live
and coexist and thrive.

467
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,440
And they will make that change
because you and I and so many

468
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,440
other people are expressing
that.

469
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,400
And exactly.
Thanks.

470
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,240
Thanks Santosh for for the whole
framing.

471
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,000
I very much agree with all of
your analysis or or

472
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,840
presentation.
A couple of different things

473
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,520
came up.
You know, one of them maybe

474
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,560
we'll we'll come to this if
there's more time.

475
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,920
But I'd like to hear more from
you later about what you said

476
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,720
about mind changing life and
matter.

477
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,000
And I'll rephrase this in a in
a, in a way.

478
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:41,480
But before that, I just
wondered, yeah, when Margaret

479
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:48,400
was just saying, I think part of
part of this is also the fact

480
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,520
that what we call good or bad
is, is, is not that simple.

481
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,480
You know, it's more like an
egoic framework, you know, that

482
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,160
we use.
I, I remember Tibetan Buddhist

483
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,680
story.
I won't go into it, but there's

484
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,920
a whole series of events happen
when one person tells the other,

485
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,840
oh, it was so good that this
happened.

486
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,400
And then, oh, it was so bad that
it happened because as time

487
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,400
progresses, a new context
develops and you look back at

488
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,640
what was good and what was bad,
and you see it in terms of the

489
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,760
consequences.
And you say, oh, by the way, it

490
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,200
wasn't that bad, You know, and a
lot of us do this in our lives,

491
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,240
you know, we look at what we
think were difficulties or

492
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,120
problems or turning points in
our lives which were difficult.

493
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,400
But once we see the new
consequences, we can say, oh,

494
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,640
after all, it wasn't that bad.
So I think it's kind of hard to

495
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,080
for me to kind of make those
judgments.

496
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,720
I sort of suspended as much as
possible.

497
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:50,000
But one thing that I'm very
convinced about for some reason,

498
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,720
and I want to hear from you on
this, is that I, I want to hold

499
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,960
on to my own little version of
truth consciousness as much as

500
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,080
possible.
In looking at all these things,

501
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,880
I actually see very small people
in these great figures in

502
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,720
politics and, you know, all the
news and stuff like that.

503
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:15,440
I don't see great human beings.
I see angry and unhappy people.

504
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,320
I, you know, they have the
reins, they have the power, but

505
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,680
I feel no jealousy whatsoever
for their condition and their

506
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,320
state of mind.
You know, the only thing I'm

507
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,960
concerned about is the harm that
they do to others, you know,

508
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:41,400
and, and, and so, so is there
any use in, you know, by the

509
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,040
way, I should also add that I
also see what's going on right

510
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,280
now as a new manifestation of
the Prince of Falsehood.

511
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,720
I think I see every sign of
that.

512
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:57,040
I won't go into that, but do you
think there's any chance in our

513
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,080
little yoga to, to do some
opposition to these forces by

514
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,240
sort of maybe holding on to
truth consciousness to begin

515
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,720
with?
Because much of the world is in

516
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,280
such delusion about what they're
seeing.

517
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,240
That seems to me that holding up
the truth, even in your own mind

518
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,320
is a great exercise.
You know, 'cause we might, we

519
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,320
might wobble from that from time
to time as well.

520
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,000
But any opposition actually from
a yogic point of view, in our

521
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,800
small ways, do you, what do you
see about that?

522
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Do you recommend that?
Well, I don't recommend anything

523
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,880
particular to anybody.
What I recommend is you look in

524
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,520
your own heart and see what your
moved and what's your mission

525
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,440
and what your focus is to do.
And if you're called upon to do

526
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,880
that, I would wholeheartedly
support that.

527
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,520
But not everybody can take up
opposition.

528
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Some people are not meant to be
spiritual warriors in that

529
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:13,360
sense, and they will just get
basically beaten down if they

530
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,040
take it up.
Others have a stronger vital

531
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,560
capability of withstanding that,
and they can take that up.

532
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,840
But if you're not prepared for
it, don't go there.

533
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,440
Do something in a field where
you are prepared.

534
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,880
If you're an artist, do art.
If you're a musician, do music.

535
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,280
And if you're a spiritual
warrior in the political and

536
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,360
economic world, well, so be it.
You'll have our blessings and

537
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,480
support as much as we can give
that.

538
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,640
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly my
concern, you know, But I'll,

539
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,400
I'll wait for my second question
because I see Roger raising his

540
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,880
hand.
I'll I'll come back if there's

541
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,360
time.
OK, thank.

542
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:05,320
You savage.
Hi, this is, I really appreciate

543
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,360
it, this conversation and it's
been up for me a lot.

544
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,120
You know, there's so much doom
and gloom out there amongst

545
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,520
people I know, people I don't
know out there in the Internet.

546
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,280
A lot of doom and gloom.
People have very dreary

547
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,720
responses to all this.
And I've been responding without

548
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:31,120
getting deeply philosophical.
I mean, even the 12 step program

549
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,440
has bottoming out.
You have to bottom out before

550
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,360
you can transform.
Dark Night of the Soul.

551
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:46,120
You know, we, we, these concepts
have been with us all along.

552
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,320
And sometimes it's just a, a
slight change in perspective.

553
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,600
You know, we talked about those
polarities before disharmony to

554
00:48:53,600 --> 00:49:00,080
harmony and hate to love.
And I was thinking how sometimes

555
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:08,360
the opposite of love is not
hate, it's fear and there's

556
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,720
there's and sometimes just a
little change in perspective

557
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,280
could have such a big impact.
I, I saw something on the

558
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,320
Internet this morning.
There was a woman in pre World

559
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,600
War 2 Germany and and during
the.

560
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,640
War.
I forget her name.

561
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,120
She was an American that went to
Germany before things started to

562
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,160
collapse to study some
discipline.

563
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,280
I don't remember what it was.
And she stayed there as the

564
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,720
whole thing was devolving.
And she created a little mini

565
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:48,600
movement.
She brought together a very

566
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,120
diverse group of people,
artists, politicians, writers,

567
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,280
philosophers, and they created a
resistance movement.

568
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,280
They got a lot of Jewish people
out of Germany and she had a, a

569
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,480
big little impact.
And eventually she was arrested

570
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,240
and she was convicted and Hitler
overloaded the conviction and

571
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,840
instead of sending her to
prison, she was executed.

572
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,440
And I was thinking of people,
look at the story sometimes some

573
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,520
people and, and it's oh, how
terrible.

574
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:24,680
But I'm thinking what a
satisfying life she LED.

575
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,200
I have, I have a, a feeling, my
projection is, is that she died

576
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,320
with a certain sense of
satisfaction.

577
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:37,360
And I and I see it as a positive
story and the kind of impact

578
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:44,960
that her life and her activities
and other people kind of helping

579
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:51,920
this movement along.
And so, yeah, I, I, I don't

580
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,600
know, sometimes when I'm not
caught up in the doom and gloom

581
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:02,320
is, is that my kind of Reichian
armor and my, my denial and my

582
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,320
kind of male insensitivity or by
seeing things in a, in a deeper

583
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,000
kind of appreciation.
And sometimes it's hard to tell,

584
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:17,080
but I appreciate that, that this
conversation is something

585
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,120
anybody can appreciate.
It, it, it, you bring in the,

586
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:27,000
the deep philosophical context,
but most any bright person

587
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,960
could, could be participating in
this conversation and get the

588
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,800
message.
So I, I, I like the way you're

589
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,720
able to kind of, you know,
balance those, those elements

590
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,600
very nicely.
Thank you.

591
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,320
Well, thank you.
That was that was actually a

592
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,440
very motivational story you
told.

593
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:52,520
And I'm very much in favor of
people doing what they see they

594
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,920
can do.
You know, I said somewhere

595
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,880
recently there's some people who
are called to feed the hungry.

596
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,440
Well, please do that.
There are others who are called

597
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,960
to clean up the environment.
Some are called to fight against

598
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,640
big oil.
Whatever it might be, if that's

599
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,640
your mission, please carry it
out.

600
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,200
Do it with goodwill.
Don't do it with falling into

601
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,480
the energy that you're fighting.
Don't become that.

602
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,760
Because if you become that, then
just like in the French

603
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,600
Revolution, you're just trading
one set of oppression for

604
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,920
another.
But actually do it without

605
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,600
hatred.
As Sri Krishna told to Arjuna,

606
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,800
your job is to kill all of these
relatives and respected elders

607
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:56,040
and and teachers, etcetera.
But don't do it with hatred.

608
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,520
Do it with respect, goodwill and
love and understanding that your

609
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:10,640
job is to help clear the field
of retrogressive forces and that

610
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,520
he was the spiritual warrior of
his day and he carried that out.

611
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:22,040
So not all of us are called to
be Arjuna, but we are called in

612
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,640
whatever field we act upon to
bring that new vision, bring

613
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,640
that new consciousness and
manifest it.

614
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:36,920
Not just meditate and then turn
into something else when we go

615
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,720
out of the meditation, but
actually begin to manifest it in

616
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:47,200
every way we can, as much as we
can, given that we are human

617
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,200
beings and we too are part of
that evolutionary change that's

618
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:59,990
got to take place.
I see Ted has his hand up.

619
00:54:00,710 --> 00:54:03,030
I do, all right.
Do you hear me?

620
00:54:03,310 --> 00:54:04,350
Do you hear me?
OK.

621
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:09,750
Oh, you're great.
OK this this laptop sometimes

622
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:11,630
works.
If you lose the sound let me

623
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:13,390
know.
I just reboot it and it'll work

624
00:54:13,390 --> 00:54:16,440
fine.
I really enjoyed this talk.

625
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,360
You can't imagine how much I
enjoyed this talk.

626
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,320
I miss hard as Chowdhury, I miss
the ashram, all the things that

627
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,200
I used to experience,
particularly the wonderful

628
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,400
Indian lunches after the
program.

629
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:38,160
So what I'd like to do is just
the reason I, I enjoyed this so

630
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,560
much as it's such a refreshing
view.

631
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,960
You know, I'm running a homeless
shelter.

632
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,760
So I'm in an environment that is
extremely challenging.

633
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,880
And this is really a breath of
fresh air.

634
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,760
I, I thank you so much.
I just thought I'd like to go

635
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,520
over quickly.
To me, the universe is working

636
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,800
just fine.
You know, we're about four and a

637
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,440
half billion years into it.
The universe is about 50 1/2

638
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,640
billion years old.
Everything that we look up and

639
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,840
see probably is totally
different now.

640
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,520
You know, it's taking a long
time for light to reach us.

641
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,760
So whatever the universe is,
totally is, is obviously

642
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,920
something quite different than
what we assume it is now.

643
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:29,440
The planet Earth has experienced
3 total catastrophes where

644
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,880
nearly nearly all life was
destroyed and in 15 to 16

645
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:41,840
billion years, 15 to 16 million
years, it came back even better.

646
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,920
You know So what you're what
you've noticed is that in

647
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,280
catastrophe at the the
catastrophe has some purpose

648
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,920
because everything in the
universe is working as it

649
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,000
should.
I, I really firmly believe that,

650
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,880
you know, when we get up in the
morning every the, the, we are a

651
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,680
visitor in a body that's working
as well as it was the day

652
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,760
before.
And we, you know, if we went

653
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,760
through deep sleep, then we wake
up, we're still what we were.

654
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,960
We still have that experience of
being, which is the essence.

655
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:23,520
So my take at the moment is that
I feel very privileged because I

656
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,880
may witness in my lifetime
whether or not the human species

657
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:34,640
is going to survive.
I'm not sure, you know, I don't,

658
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,440
I'm not, There's nothing I can
bet on this one.

659
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,720
But if the human species does
destroy its planet and itself,

660
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,520
I'm very, very sure that in 15
to 16,000,000 years it'll be

661
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,200
much better.
So that's what I tell my

662
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,040
friends, Don't, don't despair.
You know, things look really bad

663
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,480
right now, but in the big
picture it's really just fine.

664
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,280
Well, that's a great perspective
and let me say I I thank you for

665
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,400
your efforts of running a
homeless shelter.

666
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,480
The issue of homelessness is a
serious one that affects

667
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,200
everybody and it's a human
created issue.

668
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,320
I, I, I can tell you the, the
fundamental cause of all the

669
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,360
homeless people that I've
encountered.

670
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,960
We, we shelter 20 and we have
over 90.

671
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,240
You know that we service, we
have service from six days a

672
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,960
week and we do free Sunday
dinners and a lot of things.

673
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,800
We have showers and bathrooms
and laundry, you name it.

674
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:50,640
But every single individual that
I have spent time with has what

675
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,880
we call ACE, that's adverse
childhood experiences.

676
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,880
They can be 4050, sixty years
old.

677
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,400
You sit in a car with them for
45 minutes on the way to an

678
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,920
appointment and the first thing
they will talk about is how

679
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:12,680
horrible their childhood was.
Yes, these are human caused

680
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,840
issues and it's good that people
are taking that seriously and

681
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:26,160
working with those who have
these issues and who as a result

682
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,960
experienced tremendous physical
and vital and mental suffering.

683
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:40,120
So thank you somebody else,
Andy.

684
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,440
Yeah, I wanted to first say
thank you, Santosh.

685
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,040
It felt so good to be here, not
only the content of your talk,

686
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,960
but the way you deliver such a
calming energy.

687
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,600
Even though we're talking about
quite challenging topics and I

688
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,120
do, I have a question.
It's a sincere question.

689
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:03,120
It might be a bit complicated,
but going back to the beginning,

690
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,600
like right in the beginning you
talked about all the forces and

691
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,960
things going on in the world and
the way in which we can fall

692
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,720
into victimhood and feeling
victimized by it.

693
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,680
So I'm curious to dive into that
a little bit.

694
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:24,080
And as some context, I recently
listened to a lecture by an R

695
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,200
Bendonian who is Indian and has
lived in India their whole life.

696
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,600
And he kind of made a point that
said, you know, Westerners often

697
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,000
ask me a lot about self esteem
and how to build people's self

698
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,920
esteem.
And he kind of broke with the

699
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,320
entire paradigm and said kind of
cutting to the chase, like when

700
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,480
you're rooted in your Sababa and
your Saba Dharma, like self

701
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:54,440
esteem is not really even a
relevant concept because you're

702
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,560
really in alignment with your
own soul and with the divine.

703
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,000
And I think similarly, I'm sure
I've been doing the mother often

704
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,160
are constantly offering us this
like much deeper and deeper and

705
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,240
deeper and layered.
Nuanced view of the world.

706
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:16,280
So my question around when do
you feel like a victim?

707
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,040
I, I myself think about this a
lot.

708
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,400
Like, how do I on one hand,
surrender to the mother and be

709
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,480
in alignment with that, but also
how do I on the human level,

710
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,320
step out of being a victim and
be more assertive?

711
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,240
And the other piece I'd like to
say is like culturally, I feel

712
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,360
particularly probably since the
60s, maybe it's a timeless

713
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,520
thing, but because of social
justice issues like becoming

714
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,720
more and more and more front and
Center for people.

715
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:51,600
But like most social justice
issues in a way always involve a

716
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,640
group or a person being
victimized.

717
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,240
And so I think there's just from
from my perspective, that could

718
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,800
be right or wrong or incomplete.
Like the sense of being a victim

719
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,880
is more alive in culture for
both very valid and good

720
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,240
reasons.
But also it can be like a really

721
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,320
slippery like to identify as the
victim can be this profoundly

722
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:18,920
slippery, disempowering place to
become identified with and fall

723
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,360
into.
So thank you for hearing all of

724
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,920
that.
Coming back to the question,

725
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,400
like, you know, in light of
Shere, I've been doing the

726
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,880
mother in the same sense of
like, in the way in which self

727
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,200
esteem is like valid on one
level and on a deeper level.

728
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,760
We can, we can dispense with it
from your, from your view and

729
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,080
life experience of intrigue,
yoga.

730
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,320
Other than like, I think we all
align on like faith in the

731
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,920
mother.
There's something deeper going

732
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,520
on here.
Like, is there anything else you

733
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,760
might draw on in your own life
to, you know, if you identify

734
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,000
feeling like a victim in a yogic
way, how you step out of that?

735
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:02,560
Well, let's let's try.
I appreciate your question.

736
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:10,320
And my view is that if you're in
a space where you can identify

737
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:17,520
with your deeper Dharmic mission
and not the ego personality,

738
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,320
then you don't have that issue.
But not all of us are there or

739
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,360
there all the time.
And so we still have to struggle

740
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,920
with and deal with the
day-to-day stuff and it's

741
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:37,720
sometimes very oppressive.
And to deal with that, part of

742
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:43,040
it is seeing if you can just
shift your standpoint enough to

743
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:49,400
recognize that that is the ego
and the external nature and sort

744
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:54,280
of play with it rather than feel
like you're controlled by it.

745
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,880
That may help sort of the
separation of the witness

746
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,880
consciousness from the active
nature.

747
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,920
And the other thing is that if
you're called upon to address

748
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:12,200
this, I, I look at social
justice issues not as being more

749
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,440
prevalent now, but if you look
at the history of humanity,

750
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:23,400
there's always been all kinds of
oppression in most societies.

751
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:31,280
And the fact that it was
accepted and normal to have

752
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,560
slaves to treat women as
commodities.

753
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,360
I mean, you can go back into
some of the scriptures of some

754
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,920
of the religions and it's it's
like these are just normal

755
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:47,080
things.
And over time, as we grow in

756
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,680
awareness and grow in
consciousness, it's no longer

757
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,520
normal.
And that's where you become

758
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,200
awake to the feeling of
victimhood because you say,

759
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,880
well, OK, I'm being oppressed.
That's great.

760
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:08,640
That's the first step of
awareness to say that this isn't

761
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,120
the way it needs to be, This
isn't the oneness and the

762
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,040
harmony that we're working
towards.

763
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:22,880
And therefore it motivates you
to action, to be what you want

764
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,520
to see in the world, to step
away from your victimhood.

765
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:35,280
Take that as a challenge and
work to create a place where

766
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,600
nobody needs to feel like a
victim.

767
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,160
And that's going to take
possibly more than your lifetime

768
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,360
or my lifetime.
But you can see it changing

769
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,720
radically in front of us.
And you can see the reaction to

770
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:55,760
that in today's society around
the world, where people who are

771
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,800
used to the old ways of looking
at things, the patriarchic and

772
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:04,200
the controlling ways of looking
at things are gassed.

773
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:09,440
And they want to do everything
they can to beat this down, but

774
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,200
they can't succeed at it.
Because once people wake up and

775
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:20,160
realize that the system, the
habits of society, the habits of

776
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:27,480
humanity are based on a wrong
premise, you can't put that

777
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:35,480
toothpaste back into the tube.
Thank you.

778
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:44,240
It seems to me that hi everybody
and I'm sorry for making making

779
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:49,760
lunch noises at the beginning.
If you heard that I didn't, I

780
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,960
wasn't muted.
Seems to me, you know, given

781
01:05:55,080 --> 01:06:03,000
know thyself that, you know, as
Roger mentioned, powerlessness

782
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:09,000
and helplessness, which are, you
know, part of the victimhood

783
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,320
experience.
And we're all, I don't know, I'm

784
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,480
speak for myself, feeling
victimized by the current regime

785
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,240
that's coming in like a
blitzkrieg.

786
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:30,240
But there you have a feeling
that isn't readily delighted in,

787
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,840
let's put it that way, in our
culture.

788
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,400
And yet here it is.
You know, it's like when it

789
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:42,920
shows up, especially at a time
of introspection, a time of

790
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:48,000
quiet, when you can really
explore it or let it speak, you

791
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,960
know, in its language and
prioritize the feel of it rather

792
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,360
than the message.
You know, that gets merged with

793
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:05,680
it from the mental, you know, I,
I don't know of any other way.

794
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,560
And yes, in the 12 steps, you
know, admitted we were powerless

795
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:15,360
and that our lives had become
unmanageable as we try to flee

796
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:21,000
that feeling or fight it and
then, you know, moving on, made

797
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:27,720
a decision to turn our lives
over to a larger context.

798
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:36,400
So it's that it's the same work,
I think.

799
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,840
Yeah.
I mean, awareness and and

800
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,320
kindness, allowing permission.
It's hard work, but it's good

801
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,720
work.
Well, thank you.

802
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:54,080
I think that's a good response
to Andy's question as well.

803
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,720
Well, I see we're getting close
to time here.

804
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:11,640
If there any other people who
want to chime in here, please do

805
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,840
so.
And then if not then we can wrap

806
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,160
it up for today.
And ahead of that, I want to

807
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:24,920
thank everybody for your efforts
and your the shining light that

808
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,680
you bring here into our
collective gathering, our

809
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:34,279
Satsang together.
And I very much appreciate that.

810
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,680
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Santosh.

811
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,240
Thanks everyone.
Great to see everyone and feel

812
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:45,240
the force working within us.
Bye.

813
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,439
Woman.
OK, bye bye, bye.

814
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,399
Bye everybody, you try to find
my way.